Kim Hill Radio Interview from this morning

[Mr. Wonderful]

Hi all,

This morning Stevie was interviewed by Kim Hill on Radio New Zealand; you can hear the interview here (http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/sat/stevie_nicks). Enjoy! :)

This is the excerpt from the website (http://www.radionz.co.nz/nr/programmes/saturday):
11:25: Stevie Nicks is performing in NZ next year with John Farnham (Auckland, March 4, New Plymouth March 5, Christchurch March 8).

--Hugh

[David]

Interesting, thanks.

Stevie HATES the Atkins diet at this point. She also says she gained some weight from a steroid she took to deswell her vocal cords. She says she lost 20 pounds last year -- she is now on Weight Watchers.

She just goes from one diet to another, just like so many Americans. It's kind of sad when you see that because you know people will continually find themselves disappointed in every new thing they try.

[SillyDreamer]

This interviewer lady is my new favorite person of all time... she's so funny!

"Well, he made some very nasty cracks about the CHIFFon business."

I wish I had an accent :laugh:

[MoonChilde]

Interesting ..but I found the interviewer dwelled to much on things from long ago and not enough on the here and now...I mean ..come on...she has been off drugs for how long now?? .I don't think enough thought was put into the interview...IMHO..
Would of been nice to hear about what Stevie has been up in say the last few years and what the future is going to bring us??

[AliceLover]

Can anyone transcribe this or say any of the main points....Dial up blows.

[paleshadow]

Interesting, thanks.

Stevie HATES the Atkins diet at this point. She also says she gained some weight from a steroid she took to deswell her vocal cords. She says she lost 20 pounds last year -- she is now on Weight Watchers.

She just goes from one diet to another, just like so many Americans. It's kind of sad when you see that because you know people will continually find themselves disappointed in every new thing they try.

I caught that too. I remember she called Dr. Atkins a "God among men" at one point. Now she's bowing to the people who created weight watchers. Well, as long as she stays healthy. I just wonder how many of her fans who started Atkins are going to convert to weight watchers now also.

[paleshadow]

Interesting ..but I found the interviewer dwelled to much on things from long ago and not enough on the here and now...I mean ..come on...she has been off drugs for how long now?? .I don't think enough thought was put into the interview...IMHO..
Would of been nice to hear about what Stevie has been up in say the last few years and what the future is going to bring us??

Yeah, it was mostly about the past, but what I did notice about the interview was that it was much more candid than most of the interviews done over here in the US. It seems like most interviewers over here don't want to or are afraid to ask her about the drugs and stuff. I liked Stevie's open responses as well. It was the first interview that I've heard where she discussed the incident where Lindsey kicked her on stage.

[sparky]

This was a fun interview. Very interesting.

OMG the yo yo dieting. Weight Watchers ? Please. Diets are band aids and I am stunned she doesn't have a doctor who will tell her this. Stop eating crap and exercise like mad. End of story.:lol:
Lost 20 pounds ? Between when and when ? I can't even tell anymore.

[amber]

Thank you. My, I love her talking about Lindsey "we just did a tour together, and we fought every day. We recorded an album together, and we fought every day"
:laugh:
And I sooo knew he snarked out because she was getting so much attention. Baby.
:D

[sparky]

Thank you. My, I love her talking about Lindsey "we just did a tour together, and we fought every day. We recorded an album together, and we fought every day"
:laugh:
And I sooo knew he snarked out because she was getting so much attention. Baby.
:D

That is really disturbing, to me. She must thrive on conflict. Clearly, creatively she does. I hate it. I could never live like that, arguing every single day. If I have to argue once a WEEK I hate it.

Takes all kinds.

[foxyluva]

lol, i love Kim Hill, she looks like a bird :cool:

[EnchantedSLN]

Stevie for Senate! :lol:

[amber]

That is really disturbing, to me. She must thrive on conflict. Clearly, creatively she does. I hate it. I could never live like that, arguing every single day. If I have to argue once a WEEK I hate it.

Takes all kinds.
I just think she couldn't avoid it. :confused: It seems they just really disagree. Except for the olden days, when he was clearly a massive, massive, jealous ass to her. :laugh:
But since she didn't quit, you might be able to say she thrives. She didn't look very happy at the shows I saw her at, though.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Lindsey Lindsey Lindsey! :cool:

[amber]

Stevie for Senate! :lol:
The best part was I think she said it like this: "I should, like, run for office some day." :laugh:

[EnchantedSLN]

The best part was I think she said it like this: "I should, like, run for office some day." :laugh:

Yep, I love it. Wasn't there some poll in an AZ magazine awhile back where people voted for which local celeb would make the best governor, and Stevie won? There's her base! ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

My gosh. Are we sure Stevie likes Lindsey? :lol:

[equeen102289]

This was hilarious! Thanks for posting.
The things Stevie said about cocaine and other drugs are so true. I'm glad she's so open about all of it. And I liked hearing about the story from New Zealand. Sure wish I could have seen it though lol.

[editormarf]

Hi all,

This morning Stevie was interviewed by Kim Hill on Radio New Zealand; you can hear the interview here (http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/sat/stevie_nicks). Enjoy! :)

This is the excerpt from the website (http://www.radionz.co.nz/nr/programmes/saturday):


--Hugh

Anyone besides me having trouble accessing the audio? I'm dying to hear it!!
:(

[StreetAngel86]

"i just love you sweetheart"

that is HILARIOUS :nod:

[SandyMac]

Stevie for Senate! :lol:

I laughed so hard at that. Not in a bad way, but laughing out loud because if she put her mind to it and decided to do it, she would be a kick ass Senator. But I would miss the music too much unless she went into the studio during vacations etc..., mmmm makes the mind spin at the possibilities of her entering the political arena. Mayor of Phoenix or LA perhaps?

Plus the Stevie for President sig. I have seen. Let's start a grass roots campaign. :nod:

[SandyMac]

I smiled when I heard that Stevie picked up on the interviewer's tone and accent as soundling like Christine's because as soon as Kim started to talk, that was my very first impression. Maybe that is why Stevie seemed so relaxed and open in the interview. Almost as if she was chatting with Christine.

Very interesting as to why Stevie to this day will not take the microphone off the stand. Weird how one remark/insult like that can affect you for you whole career. She should take the mic. of the stand during the next FM concert (hopefully in 2007) just to say, "take that Mr. Buckingham, I can be Las Vegas if I want to because I sang at Caesars in Vegas baby".

[AliP]

My gosh. Are we sure Stevie likes Lindsey? :lol:

Yeah, no kidding. She really trashed Lindsey in that interview, imo. Of course, he deserved it for being such an ass back then. But really, if I was listening to that interview without knowing anything about Stevie, Lindsey or their relationship... I would definitely have a negative impression of Lindsey from that day on. I don't think that's what Stevie's goal is, and considering their relationship nowadays, I'm surprised she's not sugarcoating the incident to make him seem like less of a jerk.

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=sparky]That is really disturbing, to me. She must thrive on conflict. Clearly, creatively she does. I hate it. I could never live like that, arguing every single day.

yes, she's a drama queen, BUT, Just thank YOUR lucky stars that YOU do not live with Mr. Buckingham. and watch the destiny rules doc. She thrives on the conflict, but Im convinced that he starts them!:nod: :lol:

[StreetAngel86]

Yeah, no kidding. She really trashed Lindsey in that interview, imo. Of course, he deserved it for being such an ass back then. But really, if I was listening to that interview without knowing anything about Stevie, Lindsey or their relationship... I would definitely have a negative impression of Lindsey from that day on. I don't think that's what Stevie's goal is, and considering their relationship nowadays, I'm surprised she's not sugarcoating the incident to make him seem like less of a jerk.

ya know i was thinking the same thing
if i wasnt a fan.....i'd be thinking 'gee, this Lindsey dude is a real ****'
but then, i think she CAN say those things because they do have a much better relationship now :nod:

Phoenix -- i don't think Lindsey necessarily starts them.......or even Stevie does. i think they just oppose each other by nature. their personalities are opposites so there is AlWayS going to be conflict between them

however, 99% of the DR doc is completely out of context. we need to see ALL the footage to make an informed decision about all their fights that we didn't see :lol:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Can I just add that the interviewer sounds nothing like Christine! ;)

And thank god she has given up the Atkins Diet!

[lagringader&r]

I love that interviewer and it does seem like she was just sitting around drinking coffee with Stevie and talking about her history with FM. There are so many things to say about this. I feel bad for all the things she had to take to keep it going like the one for unswelling her vocal cords. It's a no brainer why they keep doing it even with all the fighting coz like she said it's a fickle business and that's what they do. Whoever thought Stevie and Lindsey were still a couple tho? :lol: :lol: :lol: I would have thought she might not have been that open about what he was like now that they *respect* each other but she laid it on the table. Good interview. I love Stevie.

[danax6]

My gosh. Are we sure Stevie likes Lindsey? :lol:I'm starting to wonder about that myself. Whatever happened to 'It's all sweet instead of bittersweet now' and 'we talk a lot, something which we were never able to do'. Fighting and arguing every single day doesn't leave much time for that. :laugh:

[melly]

Thank you for posting that!

I used to live in Wellington and used to see Kim Hill sometimes, walking down Lambton Quay after doing her radio show... she is a great interviewer.

Very cool interview. :nod:

[danax6]

Btw, anybody else keep reading Kill Him instead of Kim Hill? :shrug:

:wavey:

[SmileAtU]

Thanks for posting!

<<<<< Goes off to start her drug savings account....:laugh: :laugh:

[catinthedark]

My gosh. Are we sure Stevie likes Lindsey?

No kidding. Well, any suspicions I had about these two having a current thing - even any suspicions I had about these two having a thing in the past several years - have dissipated. That was certainly a different tone about Lindsey than we've heard over the past two years. Now, it's totally possible that something major happened just recently between them, and she's back in a bitter period over him. Maybe they did have something going on for a little while. They do seem to go through phases with each other. For several months, Stevie was all, "he's the first and only love of my life..," "I look at him and think, oh Stevie, you made a mistake...," etc etc... But now she sounds a whole lot harder about him. There was no affection in that interview. It's pretty clear from the recent photos that Linds and Kristen are very much together - the whole house sale signalling a divorce... well, not so much. I'm thinking yes, there was something that happened in that period during The Dance... But everything we saw during the SYW tour... despite a few spontaneous moments... it was as choreographed as they kept on saying it was.

[danax6]

No kidding. Well, any suspicions I had about these two having a current thing - even any suspicions I had about these two having a thing in the past several years - have dissipated. That was certainly a different tone about Lindsey than we've heard over the past two years. Now, it's totally possible that something major happened just recently between them, and she's back in a bitter period over him.Maybe Kristin is pregnant again. :lol:

[jwd]

Another GREAT interview! Thanks for posting. Get Stevie on the campaign for the "just say no" to cocaine, klonopin, and the Atkins diet! :laugh: It's so neat that it seems that she has her life together in so many ways now! :xoxo:

[David]

Another GREAT interview! Thanks for posting. Get Stevie on the campaign for the "just say no" to cocaine, klonopin, and the Atkins diet! :laugh: It's so neat that it seems that she has her life together in so many ways now! :xoxo:Stevie Nicks is a deadly lady but also a beautiful poison.

[SapphireSister]

Phoenix -- i don't think Lindsey necessarily starts them.......or even Stevie does. i think they just oppose each other by nature. their personalities are opposites so there is AlWayS going to be conflict between them



I'll be it made for some really great sex though :p :nod: .

[dissention]

I just think she couldn't avoid it. :confused:

Then stop lying about it in your songs, dammit. :laugh:

[GODDESS6]

The best part was I think she said it like this: "I should, like, run for office some day." :laugh:
that was sooooooo cute!!!~

[SapphireSister]

So she actually copped to being high for all of the RAL tour :thumbsup: . I found it interesting that she said she received the news from the doctor before she went on tour that if she snorted any more drugs up her nose she could die yet she continued to do them anyway. Makes me think the possibility of the assistant blowing it up her arse could be all the more likely.

[Kelly]

Doesn't anyone besides me find it odd that she changes her tune from one interview to the next, regarding LB, rather dramatically? The one from the other day she is rambling on and on about how the fire is still there, and they will have an everlasting love affair, blah blah and this one she does a 180'. Why? Everyone assumes this is the way she REALLY feels and the last interview was BS. If she says two totally different things, how do you know which one is closer to the truth? She was miserable on the TISL tour as well so LB being around for SYW is not the reason she comes off as unhappy onstage. Maybe she really does feel the way she describes in this Kim Hill interview but how do you know when she is all over the map?

As for LB and K..he went to a function with her for a neurosurgeon. :nod: They obviously both support this guys work...why?

[GypsySorcerer]

Thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

[amber]

Doesn't anyone besides me find it odd that she changes her tune from one interview to the next, regarding LB, rather dramatically? The one from the other day she is rambling on and on about how the fire is still there, and they will have an everlasting love affair, blah blah and this one she does a 180'. Why? Everyone assumes this is the way she REALLY feels and the last interview was BS. If she says two totally different things, how do you know which one is closer to the truth? She was miserable on the TISL tour as well so LB being around for SYW is not the reason she comes off as unhappy onstage. Maybe she really does feel the way she describes in this Kim Hill interview but how do you know when she is all over the map?

As for LB and K..he went to a function with her for a neurosurgeon. :nod: They obviously both support this guys work...why?
I don't think it was a 180, exactly. In this interview she was explaining how Lindsey felt and acted towards her in the past, and how, even now, they argue all the time, and they always will. And in fact she implied that that tension is still a great source for the music. She didn't say there was no fire, and she didn't say she didn't like him.
IMO, she was just highlighting something different about their relationship this time.
But even so, people do feel contradictory ways at different times. Just because on that day she felt like relating the not so nice details about her and Lindsey, doesn't mean that she didn't mean what she said before. The people that I like, that are my friends, whatever - sometimes I'm not so enamored with them, sometimes I think they're the greatest things in the world. I still like them, or love them. Emotions sway, people are complex and have contradictory feelings - it's no big deal. I would die if someone expected me to feel exactly the same way about everything all the time. DIE! :laugh:
JMO - I don't really find Stevie's contradictions about how she feels that strange in general. :shrug:

[bikerchic]

I think too that Stevie does sooooo many interviews, being asked the same questions over and over again, that maybe she's just trying to change them up abit and make them more interesting. I don't think she ever thinks about who is listening though.

[dissention]

I think too that Stevie does sooooo many interviews, being asked the same questions over and over again, that maybe she's just trying to change them up abit and make them more interesting. I don't think she ever thinks about who is listening though.

I'm beginning to think that she's taking a cue from Shirely Manson. Just make **** up or show a schizophrenic side when the interviews start to become boring in an attempt to amuse yourself.

[amber]

I'm beginning to think that she's taking a cue from Shirely Manson. Just make **** up or show a schizophrenic side when the interviews start to become boring in an attempt to amuse yourself.
:laugh:
That's what I'd do. But honestly, aside from factual things that Stevie switches on, is it really reasonable to expect someone to feel the same way about something all the time? That is absurd to me. For instance, yesterday I was stoked to see my friend, today not so much. So, if you had asked me about my friend yesterday, I would have said one thing, and if today, I would have said something different. You know?

[StreetAngel86]

Stevie Nicks is a deadly lady but also a beautiful poison.

OH i think i will get that tattooed on my back :laugh:

[StreetAngel86]

I'll be it made for some really great sex though :p :nod: .

oooooooh woah.
maybe THAT's why they're inclined to fight
it aaaaaaaaaaaall makes sense now :lol:

Cat - what is these NEW pics of K and Lindsey?

[catinthedark]

Cat - what is these NEW pics of K and Lindsey?

There's a thread on the Lindsey page... called A New Picture or the Latest Picture... or something like that. Anyway, it's L and K out at some function. I thought someone said it was a movie premiere...

[StreetAngel86]

There's a thread on the Lindsey page... called A New Picture or the Latest Picture... or something like that. Anyway, it's L and K out at some function. I thought someone said it was a movie premiere...

:slaps self: should not have ventured over there to look at that I actually like Ks dress :lol:

thanks for the info!

[Ghost_Tracker]

Interesting ..but I found the interviewer dwelled to much on things from long ago and not enough on the here and now...I mean ..come on...she has been off drugs for how long now?? .I don't think enough thought was put into the interview...IMHO..
Would of been nice to hear about what Stevie has been up in say the last few years and what the future is going to bring us??


They always do a "pre-interview" where the person being
interviewed tells them what they want to talk about, and what they
won't talk about. Always.
Contracts and everything, I believe. I'm not sure but I
think maybe Stevie is working the drugs/past thing so heavily
because she's trying to "solidify" her role as the "Queen of Rock" -
wise not-so-old grandmother, etc. World-wide, now, not just the U.S.A.
And if she can save some lives in Australia doing it, or at least help
someone out somehow, what the hell - that whole thing.

[Ghost_Tracker]

I caught that too. I remember she called Dr. Atkins a "God among men" at one point. Now she's bowing to the people who created weight watchers. Well, as long as she stays healthy. I just wonder how many of her fans who started Atkins are going to convert to weight watchers now also.


I guess the Atkins people were late with the check. . . . :rolleyes: :lol:

[CelticGypsy]

This was a fun interview. Very interesting.

OMG the yo yo dieting. Weight Watchers ? Please. Diets are band aids and I am stunned she doesn't have a doctor who will tell her this. Stop eating crap and exercise like mad. End of story.:lol:
Lost 20 pounds ? Between when and when ? I can't even tell anymore.



Believe me, WW's is a great way to lose weight in a healthy way. You count points and keep within certain points for your current weight. As you lose weight, you lower points as your weight goes down. When you are an older woman like a few of us on this board and Stevie, we need to focus and be healthy. If you can't do it on your own, then a place like WW's does work. My hubby does Atkins. To me, it isn't that healthy. He rarely eats healthy fruits or vegetables. Just eats too many eggs, bacon, steaks, a few boring salads. To me, this isn't a healthy way to eat. Some people need and like to eat a variety of foods and Stevie is probably one of those people that wants to splurge on a special treat like a piece of pie or cake once or twice a week and she can as long as she can keep under her points/calories limit for the day. Once women reach a certain age, it is very, very difficult for us to remain slim liike we did in our teen/twenties. Some women need help and if WW helps Stevie, then more power to her. What matters is she is healthy looking and happy. Anyway, women are always changing their minds. Stevie is no exception:angel: Men lose weight much more easier than women too.

[Serrart]

Thanks for the interview, it's great. And about the incident, hope she will mention it day after day till he'll apologize. :D

Romy

[Ghost_Tracker]

Believe me, WW's is a great way to lose weight in a healthy way. You count points and keep within certain points for your current weight. As you lose weight, you lower points as your weight goes down. When you are an older woman like a few of us on this board and Stevie, we need to focus and be healthy. Some women need help and if WW helps Stevie, then more power to her. What matters is she is healthy looking and happy. Anyway, women are always changing their minds. Stevie is no exception:angel: Men lose weight much more easier than women too.


I hope she's still doing the treadmill and Pilates too. . . .
Has anyone EVER heard of her going jogging?
I get the impression she's never done that in her LIFE! :shocked:
Maybe chucking Jessie's computer out the WINDOW will be
good exercise though! :laugh:

[sparky]

Believe me, WW's is a great way to lose weight in a healthy way.

I suppose it helps if you never stop.

My comment, and my belief, is that no short time change in diet is going to result in permanent weight loss if the shift in diet is temporary and not accompanied by serious physical exercise. I know a number of women who have lost weight with WW. And when they went back to their former eating habits, they gained it all back. If one has weight to lose, one must burn more calories than are taken in. To maintain weight, you pretty much have to keep up that exercise forever as you age. Unless, I don't know...something like stomach surgery is involved.

[rbs3676]

Thank you so much for posting this very informative interview!

Glad to hear that she is off Atkins (although we've kinda known that for awhile...:nod: ) and is doing WW - which works IF you keep it up.

I could listen to her stories all day long...thanks again for posting!!!

rbs

[Johnny Stew]

Emotions sway, people are complex and have contradictory feelings - it's no big deal. I would die if someone expected me to feel exactly the same way about everything all the time.One of the best posts I've read in a while, and I couldn't agree more with everything you said.

No one feels the exact same way about something or someone every day of their life.

[David]

One of the best posts I've read in a while, and I couldn't agree more with everything you said.

No one feels the exact same way about something or someone every day of their life.Amber is extremely insightful & very good at stepping back & saying, "Hey, this makes no sense." I wish all of Amber's friends on the ledge would read this post of hers very carefully.

[SapphireSister]

Glad to hear that she is off Atkins (although we've kinda known that for awhile...:nod: ) and is doing WW - which works IF you keep it up.


Perhaps she'll be following in Fergie's footsteps and become the next spokeswoman for Weight Watchers? They can play clips of her from the inauguration and then show her recent today show performace singing Stand Back :laugh:.

[Johnny Stew]

I wish all of Amber's friends on the ledge would read this post of hers very carefully.It actually covers the fan/artist relationship as well. ;)

[AliP]

One of the best posts I've read in a while, and I couldn't agree more with everything you said.

No one feels the exact same way about something or someone every day of their life.


Yes, agreed. But, as Amber said, you may want to spend time with your friend today, but tomorrow not so much. But that doesn't change the fact that that person is still your friend.

I guess I'm in the minority, but even though I may not feel the same way day after day about my friends, they are still my friends, regardless of if I don't want to spend time with them. Unless something happened between us that made me change my tone...i.e. I now hate them or something happened to ruin our friendship, then, of course, we would no longer be friends

That is why I find it strange how she changes her tone. I don't have any idea how her relationship with Lindsey is these days. But, if he was my friend my feelings about him may change day to day, but my tone would never change. For instance, if I was asked if Lindsey had apologized...I would have said, "I don't know, but I'm sure he did." But, she doesn't say that. She says, "I don't know, but I would bet he DID NOT." I mean, why bring up all that negativity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Stevie, because I love when she talks so candidly. It just strikes me as strange the way she talks about Lindsey in this interview especially assuming that they are still friends, which I have no reason to doubt that they still are.

[bikerchic]

Very interesting as to why Stevie to this day will not take the microphone off the stand.
I thought the inspiration behind never taking the mic off the stand was from Janis Joplin. Oh Stevie, get your stories straight :laugh:

[editormarf]

Does anyone know if this is transcribed anywhere?? I don't seem to be able to access it, and you've all got me so curious about it----:(

I keep trying that link but nothing happens for me....Wouldn't you know--and it sounds liek the best interview she's done in ages :distress:

Any help would be appreciated!! :wavey:

[lbelle1214]

Stevie for Senate! :lol:

Exactly what I thought!!!! But, stranger things HAVE been known to happen!

[bikerchic]

As I sit here and listen to this interview "again", I keep looking at AliP's avatar of Lindsey and it's so perfect :laugh:

[dissention]

Exactly what I thought!!!! But, stranger things HAVE been known to happen!

Just look at the chump in the White House.

[amber]

One of the best posts I've read in a while, and I couldn't agree more with everything you said.

No one feels the exact same way about something or someone every day of their life.
Oh, hey, thanks - I just saw this.:)

Amber is extremely insightful & very good at stepping back & saying, "Hey, this makes no sense." I wish all of Amber's friends on the ledge would read this post of hers very carefully.
:laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

Yes, agreed. But, as Amber said, you may want to spend time with your friend today, but tomorrow not so much. But that doesn't change the fact that that person is still your friend.

I guess I'm in the minority, but even though I may not feel the same way day after day about my friends, they are still my friends, regardless of if I don't want to spend time with them. Unless something happened between us that made me change my tone...i.e. I now hate them or something happened to ruin our friendship, then, of course, we would no longer be friends

That is why I find it strange how she changes her tone. I don't have any idea how her relationship with Lindsey is these days. But, if he was my friend my feelings about him may change day to day, but my tone would never change. For instance, if I was asked if Lindsey had apologized...I would have said, "I don't know, but I'm sure he did." But, she doesn't say that. She says, "I don't know, but I would bet he DID NOT." I mean, why bring up all that negativity? Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Stevie, because I love when she talks so candidly. It just strikes me as strange the way she talks about Lindsey in this interview especially assuming that they are still friends, which I have no reason to doubt that they still are.


Maybe because she knew him intimately for years before this experience, and during it, and after it - and she's pretty sure he didn't apologize? You know, maybe she knows that he's the kind of person who most likely didn't apologize to her at that time? Maybe she also thinks that she would remember if he did apologize, because that's kind of a big thing, to kick someone and throw something at them - and then not apologize.
She didn't actually bring up the incident, and the interviewer asked her if he had ever apologized, she didn't volunteer the info - so I think she was probably just being honest - not to be negative but because that is what happened. You are right, she could have said "I'm sure he did" if she wanted to sugar coat, or lie, but she probably didn't feel like it.
But then, just as I think you might be implying, maybe they did have an argument recently which colored her answers a bit, or rather made her feel like she didn't have any reason or desire to hold back. or something along those lines.
Again, I don't think the perceived tone change is strange, though I do concede there may be factors involved in her sudden candor that we don't know about. But that factor could be as simple as that she doesn't feel the need to sugarcoat the past as she perceives it.

[AliP]

Does anyone know if this is transcribed anywhere?? I don't seem to be able to access it, and you've all got me so curious about it----:(

I keep trying that link but nothing happens for me....Wouldn't you know--and it sounds liek the best interview she's done in ages :distress:

Any help would be appreciated!! :wavey:


I transcribed the parts I thought were interesting for my site. Here is what I have:


"Lindsey and I broke up because..being that I stood in the middle of the stage without a microphone and without a hammond organ to stand behind that kind of put me in that lead singer position even though I was not the lead singer..he just couldn't stand it. He just hated it. And I think what really broke Lindsey and I up was the attention that I started to get. And, of course, that really hurt my feelings because nothing had really changed. (Interviewer: He started to make nasty remarks about the chiffon) He made very nasty cracks about everything. If I even took the mic off of the stand he'd say, "well, aren't you being so very Las Vegas today." So of course I never took the mic off of the stand again and even to this day. So it was like he could cut me like a knife."


(How long did that go on for? (i.e. the tension between she and Lindsey)) Well, let's see it still goes on today. So, you know, if he was sitting right here I would still be saying this. You know, Lindsey and I will fight to the day we die. If he says this song is a blues song, I will say no, it's a rock song and then we'll argue about it for an hour. We just came through 135 Fleetwood Mac shows and we fought the whole time. We just did an album that took us a year of recording in a house and we fought every single day for a year."


"It is like, I see it as blue and he sees it as green. It's that kind of thing. And we always come around to sort of agreeing on everything at some point but nothing ever starts out in agreement and I think that's what makes us still be pretty great on stage is because we do have that. If we were complacent with each other and everything was just like..."I just love you sweetheart," you know, it would be blissed out and boring."


(Did you outgrow Lindsey?) "Right, well we did change. We had changed before we joined the band. I had already called and borrowed one thousand dollars from my mom and dad to move out and I did move out for like two months. Then, of course, I ran out of money and they weren't going to lend me any more money cause I wasn't going to school so I had to move back in with Lindsey and our friend Richard who was an engineer. So it was the three of us who lived together and I had to swallow all of my pride and move back in. And, uh, the relationship even through Buckingham Nicks I started to see that Lindsey's resentment was not going to make for a good relationship and at that point my idea was that I just don't even want to be in a relationship. I just wanted to do my thing and write my songs and entertain and I don't want to feel bad about what I do and he was starting to make me feel bad about what I did, you know."

(Do you remember why Lindsey threw his Les Paul at you (during the Tusk tour)?)"I think it was exactly that reason. I think that I must have been like..you know every once in a while I must have like sung through a solo or ooh aah'd through a solo or something and I think he must have gotten mad at me because I was humming around in a certain place. The more I think about it I'm pretty sure that was what it was and when he walked over and just hauled off and kicked me and I was so embarrassed that I tried to pretend that he didn't do it. The professional in me said "just don't look, just don't even look at him." Then when the song ended he threw the Les Paul at me and I ducked, luckily, or I wouldn't be talking to you right now and he left the stage and the rest of us, we bow and basically appologized and, you know like what can we say because we knew we weren't coming back to do an encore because we knew Lindsey wouldn't come back on stage and then we all took off running to kill him..all four of us. And basically Christine and I got to him first and I grabbed him and I think Christine slapped him and then one of the bodyguards stepped in between Christine and I and Lindsey."


"Christine was so mad at his lack of professional ability on that night. Of course she was angry that he had tried to hurt me. But since he didn't hurt me.. she was just unbelieving that he had tried to hurt me in front of those people who had paid to come and see us and that he had done something like that. That never happened again."


(Did he every apologize? (for the guitar throwing/kicking incident)) "You know what..I don't know if he ever..I bet he didn't. I don't really remember but I would tend to say that he did not apologize. He probably apologized to the band, you know, I'm sorry I wasn't professional, but he did not say, "Stevie, I'm sorry for kicking you in front of all those people." But again, that's just the dynamic between Lindsey and I."

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I love how her current press tour has her saying he threw his guitar at her. That's a new one.

And for someone who was so insanely resentful of her already before Fleetwood Mac, it must say a lot about Lindsey's character that he told the band that he and Stevie were a package deal.

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I love how her current press tour has her saying he threw his guitar at her. That's a new one.

And for someone who was so insanely resentful of her already before Fleetwood Mac, it must say a lot about Lindsey's character that he told the band that he and Stevie were a package deal.

has no one ever said that before? About the guitar?

That's what he said he said...:p
And I think there were factors involved in that decision other than his stellar character.

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That's what he said he said...:p

That's what everyone else in the band has said, too.

And I think there were factors involved in that decision other than his stellar character.

Such as? They sure as **** didn't need her at that point.

[AliP]

Maybe because she knew him intimately for years before this experience, and during it, and after it - and she's pretty sure he didn't apologize? You know, maybe she knows that he's the kind of person who most likely didn't apologize to her at that time?

I think it's most likely the later.


She didn't actually bring up the incident, and the interviewer asked her if he had ever apologized, she didn't volunteer the info - so I think she was probably just being honest - not to be negative but because that is what happened. You are right, she could have said "I'm sure he did" if she wanted to sugar coat, or lie, but she probably didn't feel like it.


The thing that gets me is she specifically says she doesn't remember, but then she goes on to put a negative spin on a scenario that she's really unsure about. That's what I think is uncool.

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That's what everyone else in the band has said, too.



Such as? They sure as **** didn't need her at that point.

I disagree. I think that they had concluded they did need her. Or at least Mick decided that they did. Maybe it was just as Stevie said today, that when he heard them he envisioned a CS&N-like three part harmony that would be fabulous. Stevie just now said this in the interviews. And I think Lindsey felt he needed her there, too.

But, that is the story I've most often heard as well. But it seems like I've mainly heard it from Lindsey. I wish I could recall the times each of the other band members said it.

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The thing that gets me is she specifically says she doesn't remember, but then she goes on to put a negative spin on a scenario that she's really unsure about. That's what I think is uncool.

It makes her sound silly. "I don't know if he did...but I'll say he didn't." You'd get more truthful responses from Saddam.

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I think it's most likely the later.





The thing that gets me is she specifically says she doesn't remember, but then she goes on to put a negative spin on a scenario that she's really unsure about. That's what I think is uncool.
Oh, well, she did do that. I just thought she suddenly realized, right then, in thinking about it and remembering, that he probably did not apologize, and so she said it.
You know, that thing where someone asks you something, and you hadn't been thinking of it, and you're like "I don't remember" because you have to answer them right then - but then you start thinking about it a little bit, and realize that you do kind of remember.
But - that's just what I thought happened, and I can see why someone would think it's uncool. It certainly wasn't flattering to LB, no question about that.

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It makes her sound silly. "I don't know if he did...but I'll say he didn't." You'd get more truthful responses from Saddam.
Has anyone ever asked you about something, and you hadn't really thought about that part of it - and you don't remember instantly, but as you do start to think about it you remember more?
If not, I will say - that has happened to me. Quite a few times. :shrug:

[heyjupiter678]

has no one ever said that before? About the guitar?
There was a very brief mention of it in the Mojo article from December 2003.

[AliP]

I disagree. I think that they had concluded they did need her. Or at least Mick decided that they did. Maybe it was just as Stevie said today, that when he heard them he envisioned a CS&N-like three part harmony that would be fabulous. Stevie just now said this in the interviews. And I think Lindsey felt he needed her there, too.

But, that is the story I've most often heard as well. But it seems like I've mainly heard it from Lindsey. I wish I could recall the times each of the other band members said it.

We know how Stevie likes to change her stories because here she says that she knew that they didn't want her.

BBC Rock Hour with Sylvia Simmons - 1981
"Well at first I didn't really think they needed another girl singer, they already had one. So I went through some moments of simply thinking I was being hired because they couldn't get Lindsey without me. I know for a fact that that's how they felt..because why wouldn't they? They did not need another girl singer especially one that didn't play piano or guitar or anything. Kind of like 'oh right, you'll stand out there and be the star and we'll just play.' I was willing to realize that I was lucky enough to be asked to join the band at all and that if I really wanted to be in Fleetwood Mac I was really going to have to figure out a gimmick. And they knew it, they got it, they understood that I felt this way and so they were real careful. And they never made me feel unwanted or like excess baggage."

[StreetAngel86]

Has anyone ever asked you about something, and you hadn't really thought about that part of it - and you don't remember instantly, but as you do start to think about it you remember more?
If not, I will say - that has happened to me. Quite a few times. :shrug:

totally! i dont think this makes Stevie look bad
she didn't know whether he did or he didn't
she SAID in the interview that she thinks he didn't apologize
probably an educated guess on her part
taking into consideration all of his past behavior that she is familiar with
she probably thought more than likely, he didn't apologize
that's not to say that he did and i'm sure if he told her one day he did she would change her answer...maybe :laugh:

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We know how Stevie likes to change her stories because here she says that she knew that they didn't want her.

BBC Rock Hour with Sylvia Simmons - 1981
"Well at first I didn't really think they needed another girl singer, they already had one. So I went through some moments of simply thinking I was being hired because they couldn't get Lindsey without me. I know for a fact that that's how they felt..because why wouldn't they? They did not need another girl singer especially one that didn't play piano or guitar or anything. Kind of like 'oh right, you'll stand out there and be the star and we'll just play.' I was willing to realize that I was lucky enough to be asked to join the band at all and that if I really wanted to be in Fleetwood Mac I was really going to have to figure out a gimmick. And they knew it, they got it, they understood that I felt this way and so they were real careful. And they never made me feel unwanted or like excess baggage."
That's a good point, but nowhere does she say that anyone actually said that to her. She says she thought that, and when she says that "she knows for a fact that's how they felt" - she then follows not with any actual evidence that they felt that way, or any facts, but with "because why wouldn't they?" - again surmising she knew how they felt without actual evidence.
Just saying.

[amber]

There was a very brief mention of it in the Mojo article from December 2003.
Who said it? One of the band members, or the article writer? *it's okay if you don't remember*:p

[AliP]

has no one ever said that before? About the guitar?



I've never heard the guitar part either. I'm in a quote mood tonight so I thought I would pull this one out as well. I wonder if Mick is talking about the same incident?

In the Studio with Fleetwood Mac ~ Rumours - 1992
MICK: (about things between the couples happening on stage) "There was one or two sticky incidents that happened on the stage. I remember one time Lindsey had one or two scotches and Stevie was dancing away during one of his guitar solos and he must have thought, "I'm going to put an end to this," and went over and gave her a good sharp kick on the shins. That was a classic one. So there were odd things like that that I think went completely unnoticed if not a little bit sticky on stage, whoops what's happening here, let's just keep playing, nothing happened, no one saw that."

[amber]

I've never heard the guitar part either. I'm in a quote mood tonight so I thought I would pull this one out as well. I wonder if Mick is talking about the same incident?

In the Studio with Fleetwood Mac ~ Rumours - 1992
MICK: (about things between the couples happening on stage) "There was one or two sticky incidents that happened on the stage. I remember one time Lindsey had one or two scotches and Stevie was dancing away during one of his guitar solos and he must have thought, "I'm going to put an end to this," and went over and gave her a good sharp kick on the shins. That was a classic one. So there were odd things like that that I think went completely unnoticed if not a little bit sticky on stage, whoops what's happening here, let's just keep playing, nothing happened, no one saw that."
Yeah, I dunno. How many times could he have kicked her in the shins? :laugh:
It's hard for me to trust Mick's impressions and memory about things like this. For all the obvious reasons, plus the fact that it didn't happen to him. But he does say "things like that" implying plural, multiple times.
I remember Christine telling the story as well, and about the slapping and all that, but I can't remember what exactly Chris said that Lindsey did.

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It's hard for me to trust Mick's impressions and memory about things like this.

As opposed to Stevie? Her stories change with the weather.

But I remember Christine telling the story as well, and about the slapping and all that, but I can't remember what exactly Chris said that Lindsey did.

Chris never said that he threw his guitar at her.

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As opposed to Stevie? Her stories change with the weather.



Chris never said that he threw his guitar at her.
I'm still more likely to believe what she says about an incident like that. It seems unlikely to me that a person would manufacture an entire guitar thrown at them incident if it never happened. :shrug: :confused: But, I guess it's possibly she could be confusing it with another time he threw his guitar at her. :nod:
Ah, I didn't think Chris had said that. Don't know exactly what she did say, though.

[AliP]

As opposed to Stevie? Her stories change with the weather.



Chris never said that he threw his guitar at her.


The only thing she said was that Lindsey "made a mockery" of Stevie.

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I'm still more likely to believe what she says about an incident like that. It seems unlikely to me that a person would manufacture an entire guitar thrown at them incident if it never happened. :shrug: :confused:

It doesn't seem unlikely to me when it's Stevie Nicks. She still can't get her stories straight on when exactly she quit snorting coke.

But, I guess it's possibly she could be confusing it with another time he threw his guitar at her. :nod:

Just as it's possible that her memory is failing her. I take everything she says with quite a few grains of salt.

Ah, I didn't think Chris had said that. Don't know exactly what she did say, though.

Chris said that he mocked her, and that she ran after him backstage and slapped him because behavior like that was no way to treat a paying audience.

[heyjupiter678]

Who said it? One of the band members, or the article writer? *it's okay if you don't remember*:p
I love google.

<i>Reconciliation came - slowly - out of the band reunions and, probably, a mellowing in Buckingham. Ken Caillat quotes a recent conversation: “He said, ’I’m a selfish guy.’ Which is true, he’s all about me, me, me. He admitted he had even been angry about having a child to start with. Then one day the kid grabbed his little finger and he just got it. He understood there was another world out there.”

And when Nicks rejoined Fleetwood Mac for the intriguingly Tusk-like Say You Will - he found her ready to forgive - and not forget, but laugh about “the time you threw that Les Paul at me” and such.</i>

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I love google.

<i>Reconciliation came - slowly - out of the band reunions and, probably, a mellowing in Buckingham. Ken Caillat quotes a recent conversation: “He said, ’I’m a selfish guy.’ Which is true, he’s all about me, me, me. He admitted he had even been angry about having a child to start with. Then one day the kid grabbed his little finger and he just got it. He understood there was another world out there.”

And when Nicks rejoined Fleetwood Mac for the intriguingly Tusk-like Say You Will - he found her ready to forgive - and not forget, but laugh about “the time you threw that Les Paul at me” and such.</i>

awesome!!!!:xoxo:

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“the time you threw that Les Paul at me” and such.

So it's still Stevie saying it. :laugh:

[amber]

It doesn't seem unlikely to me when it's Stevie Nicks. She still can't get her stories straight on when exactly she quit snorting coke.



Just as it's possible that her memory is failing her. I take everything she says with quite a few grains of salt.



Chris said that he mocked her, and that she ran after him backstage and slapped him because behavior like that was no way to treat a paying audience.
Okay. I believe her. To me it's different to remember, or tell everyone, the exact day you stopped coke than to remember a guitar being thrown at you onstage.

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So it's still Stevie saying it. :laugh:
Plz. Now I just think you are stubbornly ignoring evidence. The article implies that her and Lindsey joked about it, which further implies that Lindsey agreed that it happened, otherwise he wouldn't be joking about it with her. :laugh:

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Okay. I believe her. To me it's different to remember, or tell everyone, the exact day you stopped coke than to remember a guitar being thrown at you onstage.

That's fine, we're all free to believe what we want. But I still think homegirl should invest some of her riches in the power of ginkgo.

[amber]

That's fine, we're all free to believe what we want. But I still think homegirl should invest some of her riches in the power of ginkgo.
Yeah - but it says something to me about your ability to be open to new evidence about something that you don't want to believe. Namely, that it's probably futile to present you with any. :laugh: :xoxo:
Good thing we don't have to record an album together. ;) I can see you throwing your guitar at me as we speak...or vice versa?.:laugh:

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Yeah - but it says something to me about your ability to be open to new evidence about something that you don't want to believe. Namely, that it's probably futile to present you with any. :laugh: :xoxo:

Meh, there's no new evidence. There's her current story, which is likely to change in three years or less. By next interview, it might be a keyboard that he threw at her.

Good thing we don't have to record an album together. ;) I can see you throwing your guitar at me as we speak...or vice versa?.:laugh:

Nah, I'll just mock you and kick you in the shin. You can throw the guitar at me and the rest of our band members can concoct a conspiracy to never confirm or express publicly the guitar throwing incident. :xoxo:

[amber]

Meh, there's no new evidence. There's her current story, which is likely to change in three years or less.



Nah, I'll just mock you and kick you in the shin. You can throw the guitar at me and the rest of our band members can concoct a conspiracy to never confirm or express publicly the guitar throwing incident. :xoxo:

:laugh: :laugh:
But what about the mojo article that has a third party witness to Stevie and LB joking about the time he threw his les paul at her? Isn't that evidence? Coupled with what she said today?
Or do you think Ken Callait is lying that Stevie and Linds joke about that? :confused:

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:laugh: :laugh:
But what about the mojo article that has a third party witness to Stevie and LB joking about the time he threw his les paul at her? Isn't that evidence? Coupled with what she said today?

Heck, maybe Lindsey didn't want to correct her in front of this writer and cause more conflict than Stevie claims they already have every day they're in each other's company.

Why would no one but Stevie who has spoken about this incident mention the guitar-throwing?

Or do you think Ken Callait is lying that Stevie and Linds joke about that? :confused:

We already know the FleetMacCamp is made up of a bunch of liars and bull****ters. They open their shows with "The Chain," fer chrissakes.

[Johnny Stew]

It doesn't seem unlikely to me when it's Stevie Nicks. She still can't get her stories straight on when exactly she quit snorting coke.That's not true. She USED to say she quit as soon as the doctor warned her that she could have a brain aneurysm and die. But in 2001, she revealed that she still did coke after that, only "the smallest amount I could get away with."

She hasn't changed the story since then, and I have a feeling that the initial story was to save face.

There's a whole hell of a lot that I'd only tell reporters in bits and pieces, too. You'd have to keep SOME level of privacy, even when telling your most intimate secrets.

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Heck, maybe Lindsey didn't want to correct her in front of this writer and cause more conflict than Stevie claims they already have every day they're in each other's company.

I got the impression that the writer was quoting Ken Callait, and that Ken was interviewed separately. And in fact I would wager that if the others were interviewed, it was separately as well. But mainly, why would Ken be hanging out with the others for an interview? That doesn't make sense. Surely they wouldn't all be available at the same time. And with Ken.

We already know the FleetMacCamp is made up of a bunch of liars and bull****ters. They open their shows with "The Chain," fer chrissakes.
:lol: :lol:
Stawp.

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There's a whole hell of a lot that I'd only tell reporters in bits and pieces, too. You'd have to keep SOME level of privacy, even when telling your most intimate secrets.

Pffffft. She loves to air her personal **** and dirty laundry in public forums. The interview at the heart of this thread is basically just her trashing Lindsey. Deserved or not, that's what she's doing.

[Johnny Stew]

Why would no one but Stevie who has spoken about this incident mention the guitar-throwing?Everyone's on stage doing their own thing... I'm certain PLENTY of things have happened over the years, that they didn't all notice.

"You tripped over the amp? I didn't see that!"

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Everyone's on stage doing their own thing... I'm certain PLENTY of little things have happened over the years, that they didn't all notice.

"You tripped over the amp? I didn't see that!"

I would think that someone throwing their guitar at another band member is something that's pretty hard to miss.

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Pffffft. She loves to air her personal **** and dirty laundry in public forums. The interview at the heart of this thread is basically just her trashing Lindsey. Deserved or not, that's what she's doing.
Trashing? Wow, I just thought the reporter asked her about it, and she said what happened. Unfortunately, Lindsey's actions and attitude at the time trashed themselves when relayed here.
Oh, do you mean she shouldn't have answered so candidly?

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Oh, do you mean she shouldn't have answered so candidly?

I see that she can answer candidly about the ****ty behavior of others, but she can't candidly answer when exactly she quit cocaine. What's good for the goose is not good for the gander when it comes to her, I suppose.

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I see that she can answer candidly about the ****ty behavior of others, but she can't candidly answer when exactly she quit cocaine.
She commented candidly now. (and with the coke, apparently has been candid since 2001, according to Stew).

And likewise, I don't think she previously relayed the throwing the guitar story.

So, she's consistent in that she probably didn't feel like relaying her private secrets, and the bands, before - but now with time between it all, she feels she can.
Plus, she did admit that she may have been ooing and ahhing during one of his solos....:laugh:

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So, she's consistent

She's as consistent as one of Shrub's State of the Union speeches.

in that she probably didn't feel like relaying her private secrets, and the bands, before - but now with time between it all, she feels she can.

I can only hope that now with so much time having passed, someone in her camp will now feel it appropriate to tell us truthfully whether or not she actually had cocaine blown up her ass.

[Johnny Stew]

Pffffft. She loves to air her personal **** and dirty laundry in public forums.Ahh, just like she was so quick to admit to the cocaine addiction in the first place, rather than a "problem with alcohol"?

I think she needed time to come to terms with some of the aspects of that addiction.

[Johnny Stew]

I can only hope that now with so much time having passed, someone in her camp will now feel it appropriate to tell us truthfully whether or not she actually had cocaine blown up her ass.Ahh, dissy, one can only hope that the people you meet in life show you as much understanding as you show others.

[amber]

She's as consistent as one of Shrub's State of the Union speeches.



I can only hope that now with so much time having passed, someone in her camp will now feel it appropriate to tell us truthfully whether or not she actually had cocaine blown up her ass.

I don't know if you read what I said, and are just trying to spin it out of context, but I said she is consistent in the timing of her candor.
But, if your going to do that with my points, I might as well not bother.
I don't mean any offense by that, it just seems that you won't believe any corroborating guitar throwing witnesses, or Stevie herself saying it (as if anyone would make that up).
I suspect you won't believe it until LB calls you up and tells you it's true, or if you see a recording of the actual event.
:wavey:

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Ahh, just like she was so quick to admit to the cocaine addiction in the first place, rather than a "problem with alcohol"?

Or how about the time she wept for a BBC interviewer about not having kids? Or when she prattled on about her abortions for another interviewer? Or that Nicky Horne interview where she went after anyone she could think of? Don't paint Ms. Nicks as someone who doesn't love to talk about her personal problems to anyone who'll listen, because it doesn't wash. Turn the recorder on and she'll dish about pretty much anything and anyone.

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Or how about the time she wept for a BBC interviewer about not having kids? Or when she prattled on about her abortions for another interviewer? Or that Nicky Horne interview where she went after anyone she could think of? Don't paint Ms. Nicks as someone who doesn't love to talk about her personal problems to anyone who'll listen, because it doesn't wash. Turn the recorder on and she'll dish about pretty much anything and anyone.
Yeah, including the time LB threw his guitar at her in NZ. :D

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I don't know if you read what I said, and are just trying to spin it out of context, but I said she is consistent in the timing of her candor.
But, if your going to do that with my points, I might as well not bother.

That's up to you. I don't find much of anything she says to be consistent; not in timing or content. Just the other day she was talking about her neverending love affair with Lindsey and how they love each other, then she did a total 180 and whipped the **** out of him in this recent interview. There's no question that he was a total asshole, but consistency is not one of her strong suits.

I don't mean any offense by that, it just seems that you won't believe any corroborating guitar throwing witnesses, or Stevie herself saying it (as if anyone would make that up).

Other than Stevie, who said it?

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Yeah, including the time LB threw his guitar at her in NZ. :D

According to her, of course. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Or how about the time she wept for a BBC interviewer about not having kids? Or when she prattled on about her abortions for another interviewer? Or that Nicky Horne interview where she went after anyone she could think of? Don't paint Ms. Nicks as someone who doesn't love to talk about her personal problems to anyone who'll listen, because it doesn't wash. Turn the recorder on and she'll dish about pretty much anything and anyone.And you know as well as I do, that every single one of those interviews that you just cited was conducted during the height of her Klonopin addiction, when she has admitted that she was a miserable, unhappy person, who was difficult to get along with, and who said and did many things that she regretted and later apologized for.

But, as usual, that part of the story doesn't suit your argument, so it's conveniently forgotten.

[Johnny Stew]

That's up to you. I don't find much of anything she says to be consistent; not in timing or content. Just the other day she was talking about her neverending love affair with Lindsey and how they love each other, then she did a total 180 and whipped the **** out of him in this recent interview. There's no question that he was a total asshole, but consistency is not one of her strong suits.Isn't the fact that she ALWAYS notes that they have a "love-hate relationship," enough of an explanation for some discussions of Lindsey to focus on the "love" side, and some to focus on the "hate" side?

You're purposely over-simplifying things and overlooking all grey areas. I'm not black & white, you're not black & white, and Stevie Nicks isn't black & white. And that's what it comes down to.

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And you know as well as I do, that every single one of those interviews that you just cited was conducted during the height of her Klonopin addiction, when she has admitted that she was a miserable, unhappy person, who was difficult to get along with, and who said and did many things that she regretted and later apologized for.

But, as usual, that part of the story doesn't suit your argument, so it's conveniently forgotten.

Blah blah. You can choose to think of your "ironic" martyr however you choose. I, on the other hand, see someone who will gladly dish for anyone in the media willing to listen. This most recent interview is a prime example of that. One of her problems is that she tried to create a mysterious persona, but then screwed it all up for herself as soon as she opened her mouth to do something other than sing. When it comes to interviews, she's never heard the phrase "Always leave them wanting more." Her interviews always leave me thinking I've heard way too damned much. I much prefer the Mark and Brian kind of stuff or that recent one about her niece and the computer.

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That's up to you. I don't find much of anything she says to be consistent; not in timing or content. Just the other day she was talking about her neverending love affair with Lindsey and how they love each other, then she did a total 180 and whipped the **** out of him in this recent interview. There's no question that he was a total asshole, but consistency is not one of her strong suits.



Other than Stevie, who said it?
I would again have to bring up my point that people don't feel the same way about other people every single day.
I would also say that it was not a 180. What it was was Stevie answering direct questions about what Lindsey did in the past, and why their relationship ended, and their dynamic together then and now. She never said she hated him now. She merely relayed what he had done.

And then she said they fight all the time, still, it's just their dynamic - which is what adds spark and tension to their shows and their music together. That's what she said. And that is a neverending love affair - one where they fight all the time, and make great music together. :)

In other words, she was just discussing another aspect of her relationship with Lindsey that the reporter directly asked her about, she wasn't at all going back on how she feels about Lindsey now. :shrug:

I'm sorry, i think you have to be looking at what she said...not quite carefully enough, or maybe too simply, if you think she was lying before when she said they had a neverending love affair, and/or you think she's lying now when she relays the ways he used to treat her, and how they still fight and it's their dynamic and always will be. These two feelings/thoughts can exist in one person without it being inconsistent. She hates how Lindsey used to treat her, they still fight all the time, but their "thing" (love affair) is neverending, and a great source of inspiration for her, and she loves Lindsey. I dunno, all those things together seem fine to me.

And Ken Callait heard Stevie and Lindsey joking together about the guitar throwing incident. Do you think Ken would have randomly made up something he heard them joking about? And that it would happen to be what Stevie said actually happened? Longshot, IMO.

[dissention]

And then she said they fight all the time,

They must look for conflict, then. Such a shame.

[dissention]

Isn't the fact that she ALWAYS notes that they have a "love-hate relationship," enough of an explanation for some discussions of Lindsey to focus on the "love" side, and some to focus on the "hate" side?

You're purposely over-simplifying things and overlooking all grey areas. I'm not black & white, you're not black & white, and Stevie Nicks isn't black & white. And that's what it comes down to.

I see someone has been reading their Psychology Today. :xoxo:

[heyjupiter678]

And Ken Callait heard Stevie and Lindsey joking together about the guitar throwing incident. Do you think Ken would have randomly made up something he heard them joking about? And that it would happen to be what Stevie said actually happened? Longshot, IMO.
I don't know if Ken said that or not. The very next paragraph is Lindsey talking:

<i>And when Nicks rejoined Fleetwood Mac for the intriguingly Tusk-like Say You Will - he found her ready to forgive - and not forget, but laugh about “the time you threw that Les Paul at me” and such..

“Now, on the road, we’ve had many really good talks,” he says. “We’ve known each other most of our lives and yet we’re still trying to figure out what’s going on. Obviously, a lot of love as a subtext. But where is that love? How do we get in touch with any of that? For all of us, the decisions we make now are going to determine how we are as people until we die. Stevie and I are trying to look at it...with care.”

He grunts a laugh. “It’s significant that someone can end up, you know.... not having killed you!”</i>

Here's the whole article:
http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=795&c=18

[amber]

Blah blah. You can choose to think of your "ironic" martyr however you choose. I, on the other hand, see someone who will gladly dish for anyone in the media willing to listen. This most recent interview is a prime example of that. One of her problems is that she tried to create a mysterious persona, but then screwed it all up for herself as soon as she opened her mouth to do something other than sing. When it comes to interviews, she's never heard the phrase "Always leave them wanting more." Her interviews always leave me thinking I've heard way too damned much. I much prefer the Mark and Brian kind of stuff or that recent one about her niece and the computer.
So? Just because you don't like her interviews doesn't mean she's always lying. And just because she chooses to reveal some personal things, doesn't mean she wants to reveal all of them.

I might tell someone something really personal, but keep other personal things to myself, for various reasons that only I know about; I assume Stevie is human in the same way.

For instance, take you - didn't you tell everyone here you were bi before you even revealed your name? Or posted a picture? Most people would say that revealing your sexuality is much more personal than telling someone your name, and yet that's what you did. For reasons known only to you. :shrug: Isn't that exactly apropos of what Stevie did? Yet you say it's wrong, and inconsistent, and ridiculous, and that now she's lying about everything.

I really don't think you are allowing for any human complexity in your evaluation of Stevie, honestly. Though you and most humans contain the exact same complexities.

[amber]

I don't know if Ken said that or not. The very next paragraph is Lindsey talking:

<i>And when Nicks rejoined Fleetwood Mac for the intriguingly Tusk-like Say You Will - he found her ready to forgive - and not forget, but laugh about “the time you threw that Les Paul at me” and such..

“Now, on the road, we’ve had many really good talks,” he says. “We’ve known each other most of our lives and yet we’re still trying to figure out what’s going on. Obviously, a lot of love as a subtext. But where is that love? How do we get in touch with any of that? For all of us, the decisions we make now are going to determine how we are as people until we die. Stevie and I are trying to look at it...with care.”

He grunts a laugh. “It’s significant that someone can end up, you know.... not having killed you!”</i>

Here's the whole article:
http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=795&c=18

Thanks, doll.

[amber]

They must look for conflict, then. Such a shame.
Perhaps, but that doesn't really speak to what we're discussing....nor does it speak to any of the points I had in the post you quoted.
which is fine. But not totally desireable. :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Blah blah. You can choose to think of your "ironic" martyr however you choose. I, on the other hand, see someone who will gladly dish for anyone in the media willing to listen. This most recent interview is a prime example of that. One of her problems is that she tried to create a mysterious persona, but then screwed it all up for herself as soon as she opened her mouth to do something other than sing. When it comes to interviews, she's never heard the phrase "Always leave them wanting more." Her interviews always leave me thinking I've heard way too damned much.Again, more twisting. I never said Stevie Nicks is a martyr. I've always maintained that she is a flawed human being, just like any of us. And, like ANY human being, she's full of contradictions and inconsistencies and faults.

Not to get personal, but I recall you telling folks that you were straight when you first started posting here. I did the same thing in 1997 when I first started posting on the Ledge.
And neither of us is too straight now, are we?

So are we to always be held accountable for not being completely honest about something extremely personal to us?

I've never said Stevie Nicks is perfect... only that she deserves as much consideration as any one of us does.

As I've said before, if you're so sick of Stevie's interviews, then stop reading them or listening to them. It's what you tell people who say they're sick of certain thread discussions, so I'd think the advice would apply to you too.

[dissention]

So? Just because you don't like her interviews doesn't mean she's always lying. And just because she chooses to reveal some personal things, doesn't mean she wants to reveal all of them.

I never said she was necessarily lying, just that her stories change on a constant basis and she can't keep them straight. Who knows if he threw a guitar at her, but I do find it suspicious that she's the only one claiming it.

I might tell someone something really personal, but keep other personal things to myself, for various reasons that only I know about; I assume Stevie is human in the same way.

Your point? I dislike many of her interviews because I think she divulges too much already. I certainly don't want to hear more personal stuff.

[Johnny Stew]

I really don't think you are allowing for any human complexity in your evaluation of Stevie, honestly. Though you and most humans contain the exact same complexities.Amber, will you be my girlfriend? ;) :xoxo:

[dissention]

Again, more twisting. I never said Stevie Nicks is a martyr. I've always maintained that she is a flawed human being, just like any of us. And, like ANY human being, she's full of contradictions and inconsistencies and faults.

And it's not okay to point out the contradictions in her statements? The girl goes from talking about how she can start up a solo album tomorrow because she doesn't stop writing, to saying that she hasn't written a song in two years. Cheese whiz, man.

Not to get personal, but I recall you telling folks that you were straight when you first started posting here. I did the same thing in 1997 when I first started posting on the Ledge.

I was...at the time. :laugh: j/k

And neither of us is too straight now, are we?

Can't say that we are.

So are we to always be held accountable for not being completely honest about something extremely personal to us?

I won't presume to know why her cocaine stories changed over the years, the fact of the matter is that they did. Her changing stories are not about that one topic, but a myriad of them. It's simply a pattern with her.

I've never said Stevie Nicks is perfect... only that she deserves as much consideration as any one of us does.

Which is fine, but if she's going to give interviews that contradict her previous statements or the statements of others, it should be fine to discuss them.

As I've said before, if you're so sick of Stevie's interviews, then stop reading them or listening to them. It's what you tell people who say they're sick of certain thread discussions, so I'd think the advice would apply to you too.

But if I stopped reading them, how would I be exposed to the good ones like the one about computers and text messaging? It's a catch-22. ;)

[dissention]

Perhaps, but that doesn't really speak to what we're discussing....nor does it speak to any of the points I had in the post you quoted.
which is fine. But not totally desireable. :lol:

There's not much else I can say to address your points, I've already made my opinion known and it's 3 in the morning here. I'm going to bed, hon. :laugh:

[amber]

I never said she was necessarily lying, just that her stories change on a constant basis and she can't keep them straight. Who knows if he threw a guitar at her, but I do find it suspicious that she's the only one claiming it.



Your point? I dislike many of her interviews because I think she divulges too much already. I certainly don't want to hear more.

My point is that you can't seem to reconcile the fact that she may feel differently at different times, which doesn't make either feeling untrue, and does not make her any more inconsistent than most people. And this assessment of her causes you to automatically think the guitar story is not true - and she's not the only one claiming it, if I'm reading the mojo article right - and to do so with an unreasonably vociferous inflexibility about it.

My point about the interview/personal thing is that for you to tell us that she should have revealed her coke thing truthfully much earlier because she told a bunch of other personal stuff - and that because she wasn't truthful about the coke right away, that you generally cannot believe her, and that is why you don't believe the guitar story - is not a logical conclusion to draw. IMO.
Note that none of my point is about whether you like her interviews or not. Never has been.

[amber]

There's not much else I can say to address your points, I've already made my opinion known and it's 3 in the morning here. I'm going to bed, hon. :laugh:

Opinion is a good word for what you think. :D Have a good night. :wavey:

[amber]

And it's not okay to point out the contradictions in her statements? The girl goes from talking about how she can start up a solo album tomorrow because she doesn't stop writing, to saying that she hasn't written a song in two years. Cheese whiz, man.



I was...at the time. :laugh: j/k



Can't say that we are.



I won't presume to know why her cocaine stories changed over the years, the fact of the matter is that they did. Her changing stories are not about that one topic, but a myriad of them. It's simply a pattern with her.



Which is fine, but if she's going to give interviews that contradict her previous statements or the statements of others, it should be fine to discuss them.



But if I stopped reading them, how would I be exposed to the good ones like the one about computers and text messaging? It's a catch-22. ;)


You really don't see the difference between these things and claiming someone threw a guitar at you?
If not, then you are oversimplifying your capacity to understand humans to an insane degree. :laugh:

[dissention]

My point about the interview/personal thing is that for you to tell us that she should have revealed her coke thing truthfully much earlier because she told a bunch of other personal stuff - and that because she wasn't truthful about the coke right away, that you generally cannot believe her, and that is why you don't believe the guitar story - is not a logical conclusion to draw. IMO.

I never said she should have revealed anything about her coke use, all I said was that her stories changed and that she didn't candidly talk about her coke use. That's her deal. I have no argument with what Johnny Stew said about her possibly having unresolved issues about the whole thing because he's probably right.

[amber]

Amber, will you be my girlfriend? ;) :xoxo:
Incest is gross, dude. And quit calling me a girl! I'm telling mom.
:laugh:
:xoxo:
No, you already have too many girlfriends that you don't sleep with. I don't want to share my nothing with them. :D

[dissention]

Opinion is a good word for what you think. :D

"Opinion" is a good word for what many people in this thread think, including myself. :D

Have a good night. :wavey:

I will. Heck knows I need the rest after the drive home last night. I never want to get in my car again. Ever. You can have it if you want it, actually.

[amber]

I never said she should have revealed anything about her coke use, all I said was that her stories changed and that she didn't candidly talk about her coke use. That's her deal. I have no argument with what Johnny Stew said about her possibly having unresolved issues about the whole thing because he's probably right.
But your using those things as a basis for not believing the guitar story, which is my whole point, and which I think is a fallacious conclusion to draw based on the evidence.
That is my point. Everything else I've said has merely been trying to illustrate why it could easily be true that LB threw his guitar at her. You brought up her other "lies" as defense of why you don't believe the guitar thing, is the only reason we even started talking about the coke, or any other "lies".
So, basically, I'm not really discussing the coke as an end in itself, or an argument - only as they relate to the guitar throwing, and serve to illustrate my point about the guitar throwing. See?

[dissention]

But your using those things as a basis for not believing the guitar story, which is my whole point, and which I think is a fallacious conclusion to draw based on the evidence.
That is my point. Everything else I've said has merely been trying to illustrate why it could easily be true that LB threw his guitar at her. You brought up her other "lies" as defense of why you don't believe the guitar thing, is the only reason we even started talking about the coke, or any other "lies".
So, basically, I'm not really discussing the coke as an end in itself, or an argument - only as they relate to the guitar throwing, and serve to illustrate my point about the guitar throwing. See?

I see now. And I'll concede because you have a point. :xoxo:

But I still don't think her guitar story passes the smell test.

[amber]

"Opinion" is a good word for what many people in this thread think, including myself. :D



I will. Heck knows I need the rest after the drive home last night. I never want to get in my car again. Ever. You can have it if you want it, actually.
:blob1: :blob2:
really? I can? Yes, my master plan to argue you into giving me your car has worked! And it was I who coerced Blondie to play in Jersey, knowing you would be so tired from driving that you would give me your car! Ha HA!!!! *evil cackle*:laugh:
Do I have to pay freight?
:xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

And it's not okay to point out the contradictions in her statements? The girl goes from talking about how she can start up a solo album tomorrow because she doesn't stop writing, to saying that she hasn't written a song in two years. Cheese whiz, man.

I won't presume to know why her cocaine stories changed over the years, the fact of the matter is that they did. Her changing stories are not about that one topic, but a myriad of them. It's simply a pattern with her.

Which is fine, but if she's going to give interviews that contradict her previous statements or the statements of others, it should be fine to discuss them.I never said it wasn't all right to point out her inconsistencies and contradictions... it's not like any of us who've been paying attention for more than 5 minutes wouldn't have noticed them anyway. But I do think that it's important for any discussion of Stevie's, or anyone's, apparently contradictory statements, to be more balanced than just a flippant and dismissive "she never tells the truth" judgement. And I think that's where Amber and I came in. :)

Like I said, there's more to every person than just the simple black and white... and I didn't have to pick up this month's Psychology Today to know that. ;)

[dissention]

Do I have to pay freight?
:xoxo:

Does the pope wear funny clothes? ;)

[amber]

I see now. And I'll concede because you have a point. :xoxo:

But I still don't think her guitar story passes the smell test.

Okay. I concede that there could be more evidence for the guitar story. You know, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it happened. :laugh:
O.J.'s jury would say it didn't, Scott Peterson's would say it did. :laugh:

[amber]

Does the pope wear funny clothes? ;)
Do you want my bike in exchange? :D

[dissention]

Do you want my bike in exchange? :D

Where would I get the energy to ride it? :laugh:

Okay, I'm seriously going to bed now. Goodnight. :xoxo:

[amber]

But I do think that it's important for any discussion of Stevie's, or anyone's, apparently contradictory statements, to be more balanced than just a flippant and dismissive "she never tells the truth" judgement. ;)
Yeah, that's the nugget.

[Johnny Stew]

No, you already have too many girlfriends that you don't sleep with. I don't want to share my nothing with them. :D:laugh: I see nothing wrong with a completely sexless relationship between a man and a woman. In fact, anything else is just icky. ;) :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Okay, I'm seriously going to bed now. Goodnight. :xoxo:Night, dissy... dream sweet dreams. :xoxo:

[blinker12]

Back to the interview... egads, how many times do we have to hear about Rumours and the band's couples breaking up??? Don't people ever get tired of that?

[David]

We know how Stevie likes to change her stories because here she says that she knew that they didn't want her.

BBC Rock Hour with Sylvia Simmons - 1981
"Well at first I didn't really think they needed another girl singer, they already had one. So I went through some moments of simply thinking I was being hired because they couldn't get Lindsey without me. I know for a fact that that's how they felt..because why wouldn't they? They did not need another girl singer especially one that didn't play piano or guitar or anything. Kind of like 'oh right, you'll stand out there and be the star and we'll just play.' I was willing to realize that I was lucky enough to be asked to join the band at all and that if I really wanted to be in Fleetwood Mac I was really going to have to figure out a gimmick. And they knew it, they got it, they understood that I felt this way and so they were real careful. And they never made me feel unwanted or like excess baggage."And that's a perfect example of the sort of person who often compels Stevie to dramatize something or give it a different spin. Simmons is (or was) a writer who had a headbanger & punk taste in music -- not someone to fawn over poppy Fleetwood Mac or Stevie Nicks (known as that "blanded-out blonde musher" by one of Simmons's colleagues). Stevie knew this about Sylvie, so while I enjoy that interview they did very much (& Sylvie very cooly & slyly says she warmed up to Stevie because Stevie was so honest & cordial), I still think Stevie pumped things up a bit in her speech in order to try to "reach" the interviewer. I don't think Stevie is extremely relaxed around interviewers who don't necessarily like her music or Fleetwood Mac's music -- I know I wouldn't be.

[RockALittle250]

My question is, why didn't Kim Hill ask her when/if she is going to do another solo album? It seems like no one ever asks that question in a radio interview, specifically, where we can actually hear Stevie give a response to that burning question.

[David]

totally! i dont think this makes Stevie look bad
she didn't know whether he did or he didn'tI don't think it makes Stevie look bad, but it DOES make the entire incident or series of incidents look like sheer confusion in the minds of Fleetwood Mac. What did -- & did not -- happen there in New Zealand in March 1980? I still don't think we know much.

The first time New Zealand was brought up in print (as far as I know) was in Mick's book in 1990. Mick & Stephen Davis said that Lindsey had too much to drink & snapped: he started screwing around on his guitar, playing different stuff during the show, & then aped Stevie's witch dance on "Rhiannon," kicking at her while she was doing her witch dance. Backstage, Christine yelled at him, threw her drink in his face & told him "never do that to this band again" or something. Apparently, the show was also being broadcast on New Zealand radio, but the audience didn't perceive a problem, or thought it was part of the show.

Next, for the reunion publicity, various members like Chris & Stevie mentioned this incident, for the most part about the same as Mick/Stephen Davis described it. When asked about it, Lindsey said he wasn't sure, but he remembered singing an entire show off key.

This year, the story has turned into a guitar-throwing thing, fueled by anger rather than booze. The story is still New Zealand, but now the guitar has turned into a Les Paul & it's occuring on the final song before the encore -- which would be Go Your Own Way, but Lindsey didn't play a Les Paul on GYOW. In fact, he didn't play a Les Paul at all in 1980 (unless he played one on Oh Daddy ...?). Why is Stevie calling it a Les Paul? Why specify? Why not just call it "his guitar"? Wouldn't that seem more likely? Why is "Les Paul" standing out in Stevie's mind? It almost makes you think that whatever she's describing occurred on the Rumours Tour, when he DID play a Les Paul (& the band did tour New Zealand & Australia on the Rumours Tour).

I think since 1990, we're hearing at least a couple of different incidents being remembered hazily as one incident, but it's really hard to say.

[sparky]

It makes her sound silly. "I don't know if he did...but I'll say he didn't." You'd get more truthful responses from Saddam.

The more I read the more it seems likely that the truth is "I don't know if he did, but he was such a dick, I doubt it.":laugh:

[markolas]

I don't know how some of you guys could make it living in the south. Nobody says what they mean and everybody embellishes everything.

[gldstwmn]

As for LB and K..he went to a function with her for a neurosurgeon. :nod: They obviously both support this guys work...why?

Maybe he's their neighbor. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Just look at the chump in the White House.

Don't you mean chimp?

[dissention]

Don't you mean chimp?

I can always count on you. :xoxo:

[ragandbone]

Don't you mean chimp?

I am sure you ahve all seen these, but let's review!
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[Enchanted_Stevi]

Is there a Video of the Interview anywhere?

[Enchanted_Stevi]

OMG I LOVE the part when she says "I just love you sweetheart" OMG I LAUGHED for like 5 min.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Is there a Video of the Interview anywhere?
It was a radio interview. Generally these aren't filmed as both parties probably aren't looking their best. :)

[cliffdweller]

I can only hope that now with so much time having passed, someone in her camp will now feel it appropriate to tell us truthfully whether or not she actually had cocaine blown up her ass.

You know, I always wonder about whether that happened or not...I mean, think about it, whenever she's asked about it she clams up and gets dead cold. Why? If it were me, I would laugh and exclaim what an absurdly outlandish story that is OR I would get upset and debunk the whole thing. Considering the wacky, wild fairlyland of big 70's/80's rock and roll they were all living in, it doesn't take that big a stretch of the imagination to think that it might've happened :shrug:.

[cliffdweller]

I don't think it makes Stevie look bad, but it DOES make the entire incident or series of incidents look like sheer confusion in the minds of Fleetwood Mac. What did -- & did not -- happen there in New Zealand in March 1980? I still don't think we know much.

The first time New Zealand was brought up in print (as far as I know) was in Mick's book in 1990. Mick & Stephen Davis said that Lindsey had too much to drink & snapped: he started screwing around on his guitar, playing different stuff during the show, & then aped Stevie's witch dance on "Rhiannon," kicking at her while she was doing her witch dance. Backstage, Christine yelled at him, threw her drink in his face & told him "never do that to this band again" or something. Apparently, the show was also being broadcast on New Zealand radio, but the audience didn't perceive a problem, or thought it was part of the show.

Next, for the reunion publicity, various members like Chris & Stevie mentioned this incident, for the most part about the same as Mick/Stephen Davis described it. When asked about it, Lindsey said he wasn't sure, but he remembered singing an entire show off key.

This year, the story has turned into a guitar-throwing thing, fueled by anger rather than booze. The story is still New Zealand, but now the guitar has turned into a Les Paul & it's occuring on the final song before the encore -- which would be Go Your Own Way, but Lindsey didn't play a Les Paul on GYOW. In fact, he didn't play a Les Paul at all in 1980 (unless he played one on Oh Daddy ...?). Why is Stevie calling it a Les Paul? Why specify? Why not just call it "his guitar"? Wouldn't that seem more likely? Why is "Les Paul" standing out in Stevie's mind? It almost makes you think that whatever she's describing occurred on the Rumours Tour, when he DID play a Les Paul (& the band did tour New Zealand & Australia on the Rumours Tour).

I think since 1990, we're hearing at least a couple of different incidents being remembered hazily as one incident, but it's really hard to say.

I think it's safe to say we'll never know the REAL story of what happened in N.Z. in 1980; there's only revisionist history for this band, which leads me to my next point: I don't know how anyone can believe anything ANY of them say about this incident. I can barely remember what happened last week much less 25 years ago whilst in a constant haze of drugs and booze! :laugh: But then again, I was only 4...

[golddustwoman77]

Thank you. My, I love her talking about Lindsey "we just did a tour together, and we fought every day. We recorded an album together, and we fought every day"
:laugh:
And I sooo knew he snarked out because she was getting so much attention. Baby.
:D


That was totally what I was thinking. :lol:

I thought this was one of the more insightful interviews that she has done in awhile. Thanks for posting that. Politics?! No way, Stevie as a politician, I can't see it!

[Highwayman]

The question I have is: Will the new Weight Watchers TV ads with Stevie in them be out before Christmas?

[sarafield]

The question I have is: Will the new Weight Watchers TV ads with Stevie in them be out before Christmas?

Ohhh nothing says has-been more than doing diet commercials!

I noticed she insists quite a bit that NO ONE forced her into Betty Ford, that she went all by herself. However, I've read that her family staged an intervention before she went to Betty Ford. I'm confused about that. Unless I'm mixing up her rehab stints.

[strandinthewind]

Ohhh nothing says has-been more than doing diet commercials!

I noticed she insists quite a bit that NO ONE forced her into Betty Ford, that she went all by herself. However, I've read that her family staged an intervention before she went to Betty Ford. I'm confused about that. Unless I'm mixing up her rehab stints.

I think it was both. I think she means they did not handcuff her and take her there in the middle of a binge. I think they, like most familes, had a meeting about it and she let them know she had to go to rehab. and she needed their support.

[sarafield]

I think it was both. I think she means they did not handcuff her and take her there in the middle of a binge. I think they, like most familes, had a meeting about it and she let them know she had to go to rehab. and she needed their support.

Yeah, it's probably something like that. I just *thought* I read somewhere that she was furious with her record label for participating in an intervention. But my (lack of) memory can rival Stevie's on some days. :D

[strandinthewind]

Yeah, it's probably something like that. I just *thought* I read somewhere that she was furious with her record label for participating in an intervention. But my (lack of) memory can rival Stevie's on some days. :D

Mick mentioned it in his book - saying something like she felt coerced into the first rehab., etc. But, she has consistently said that she wanted to go and knew she had to go. It could also be that she made the decision to go, but backed out a couple of times out of fear, which I have seen happen. Then, her people told either you go or else.

Also, I know - all these facts are in my head and come out like The Fly sometimes :laugh:

[Mokona]

Great interview, but I actually disagree with her about Klonopin. Exactly how much was the woman taking?? I have generalized anxiety and have had panic attacks, and this medication has given me some semblance of normalcy again. Granted I take 1-3 mg a day and not huge doses, but there have been times I've skipped taking the pill for a few days and nothing major happens. Heck, I can even take Xanax on and off as needed and it's no problem.

It makes me wonder if she was dramatizing the effects of Klonopin, on a heavy-duty dose, or just plain abusing it. Every psychiatrist I've ever seen has always said Klonopin is far better than any other tranquilizer out there. :shrug:

[wheart]

I just can't believe he actually threw his guitar at her. Thank Goodness she ducked!!:eek:

[Sorceress]

It makes me wonder if she is dramatizing the effects of Klonopin, on a heavy-duty dose, or just plain abusing it. Every psychiatrist I've ever seen has always said Klonopin is far better than any other tranquilizer out there. :shrug:


Probably all of the above. Once she developed a pattern of abuse with the coke, it probably wasn't hard at all to transfer that behavior and way of thinking to the Klonopin. If a little is good, a lot must be even better, right? I think the psychiatrist who prescribed the Klonopin to her in the quantities it must have taken to effect her the way she describes was extremely irresponsible.
(I haven't read most of this thread, so if I repeated anything that has already been said, I apologize).

[Janis_no1]

That was the longest interview i've ever heard of stevie... and guys i should tell you now that i've never SEEN an interview coz i dont get your tv shows over here.... :shocked:

Anywho, i really enjoed the way the interviewer addressed her, i liked that she didn't tip toe around stevie and that she was direct. I get the feeling that Stevie really is in her own little world.. Well not on her own, but not in reality. That may be a little off topic but she really does seem that way.

Anywho i though it was a great interview, though i also didn't like the way she spoke of lindsey, how come she never says that she behaved badly?? ... its always someone else, or brings their image down. Now yes i know i know our Stevie is perfect.... but allthe time? :shrug:

[Kelly]

That was the longest interview i've ever heard of stevie... and guys i should tell you now that i've never SEEN an interview coz i dont get your tv shows over here.... :shocked:

Anywho, i really enjoed the way the interviewer addressed her, i liked that she didn't tip toe around stevie and that she was direct. I get the feeling that Stevie really is in her own little world.. Well not on her own, but not in reality. That may be a little off topic but she really does seem that way.

Anywho i though it was a great interview, though i also didn't like the way she spoke of lindsey, how come she never says that she behaved badly?? ... its always someone else, or brings their image down. Now yes i know i know our Stevie is perfect.... but allthe time? :shrug:

Ten points for you! Lindsey is always the bad guy when listening to Stevie. The problems or fights were never her fault. It is part of the whole SnL schtick. The way she portrays their relationship in the media plays into the whole thing they are selling onstage.

I want to know how this story morphed from a mocking with his coat and kicking his foot out, to him almost hitting her with his guitar? In Dance interviews, Christine talks about this incident and describes it as Lindsey mocking her during Rhiannon and then pretending to kick her. Stevie adds the bodyguards jumping in after they all run backstage to confront him. She tells the same story in 2005 but what happened onstage is different. Stevie even goes into how there was no encore and LB left the stage and all of them ran back to see who could attack him first during that RS Dance interview. Eight years later, the story has morphed into a guitar tossing incident. No, I do not think there were two incidents because Stevie or Mick, or one of them, says that was the only night they did not do an encore. Perhaps LB threw a guitar at her some other time, OFFSTAGE...but I am sure Stevie tossed some things at him too over the years. If anyone believes otherwise, they are pretty naive. The problem I have is now this "'story" will be passed around for years and years and Lindsey looks like an abusive prick...based on Stevie's interview. What she said contradicts the way the story was told in 1997 and in Mick's book. (including by Stevie herself, in 97) Six months from now someone will start a thread about how LB tried to kill Stevie with a guitar and how he is a bastard, blah blah blah. Stevie cares deeply about how she is percieved by people. Her image and legacy are very important to her. She should show Lindsey the same respect. I have said before, but I will say it again. Lindsey has always respected her privacy. He has never really betrayed her in the press. (please do not bring up the lounge act comment, that was an opinion about her show, not a personal attack) Plenty of the other men Stevie was involved with, have gone on to tell her secrets in books, to magazines, on radio interviews. LB has always shown an incredible amount of class when it comes to not outing Stevie on a variety of things. He just allows her to say the things she does and never contradicts her in the media, nor does he lash out in response. This aspect of their dynamic, specifically Stevie, bothers me. If she is going to stand up and talk about band skeletons (LB), she needs to speak up more often about all the good things he has done for her over the years. The negative talk has vastly outweighed the positive regarding LB. (and no I do not believe she really feels negatively towards him, I said above I feel it plays into the whole love/hate, hot/cold schtick they use to sell their show) "and we still have time to hate, but there's still something we can sell"'...

Blast away...

[jkmaletic]

Great interview, but I actually disagree with her about Klonopin. Exactly how much was the woman taking?? I have generalized anxiety and have had panic attacks, and this medication has given me some semblance of normalcy again. Granted I take 1-3 mg a day and not huge doses, but there have been times I've skipped taking the pill for a few days and nothing major happens. Heck, I can even take Xanax on and off as needed and it's no problem.

It makes me wonder if she is dramatizing the effects of Klonopin, on a heavy-duty dose, or just plain abusing it. Every psychiatrist I've ever seen has always said Klonopin is far better than any other tranquilizer out there. :shrug:

For whatever reason, Stevie must have just started taking too much - possibly over what the doctor had recommended. In other words, she may have started abusing it. My mother (who is 57) had to go to rehab last year for abusing Rx meds. But even after rehab she fell off the wagon, found another MD to prescribe her the stuff she likes, and ended up almost dying. Those pills can be deadly if abused. However, if used responsibly (like I imagine you are), they can be fine.

[SuzeQuze]

Great interview, but I actually disagree with her about Klonopin. Exactly how much was the woman taking?? I have generalized anxiety and have had panic attacks, and this medication has given me some semblance of normalcy again. Granted I take 1-3 mg a day and not huge doses, but there have been times I've skipped taking the pill for a few days and nothing major happens. Heck, I can even take Xanax on and off as needed and it's no problem.

It makes me wonder if she is dramatizing the effects of Klonopin, on a heavy-duty dose, or just plain abusing it. Every psychiatrist I've ever seen has always said Klonopin is far better than any other tranquilizer out there. :shrug:

From the things she has said about it I gather her doctor miss prescribed this for her. She said he said it was for the depression from quitting coke. I wouldn't be surprised if she did take too much of it though. It's possible she was prescribed a dose too high though. It is really irresponsible to prescribe an addict an addictive drug. The whole thing was a combination of the doctor's negligence and Stevie's messed up state of mind. It really sucked because she lost half her 30s and some of her 40s to it. I'm so glad she emerged from it!

[Mokona]

I think the psychiatrist who prescribed the Klonopin to her in the quantities it must have taken to effect her the way she describes was extremely irresponsible.
It is really irresponsible to prescribe an addict an addictive drug. I completely agree - that physician must've been as lax as they come. To even get a script I have to get a triplicate and take it to the pharmacy (no phone-ins allowed) and my psychiatrist asks me how much I'm taking, how I feel I'm doing, and then bases how many pills to prescribe on that. Everyone I've seen has always been extremely cautious with any of the benzodiazepines and prescribe them in the smallest quantities possible.

Of course, the doctor Stevie saw probably catered to the stars and had seen worse before. But thank goodness she realized she had a problem and got off of the stuff. It seems so ridiculous they'd give her a potentially addictive drug to get off of another. :distress:

[sparky]

From the things she has said about it I gather her doctor miss prescribed this for her. She said he said it was for the depression from quitting coke. I wouldn't be surprised if she did take too much of it though.

I suspect she did. Gifted as she may be, and lucid as she seems, Stevie sounds as if she has some strange blind spots concerning such things. I mean, this is a person who says no one ever told them cocaine was dangerous.:lol:

I read in a book in 2nd grade (1973) all about heroin, pot, speed and coke. It was right there in print that it was dangerous, addictive, and illegal. I wasn't reading a classified top secret document. And I was seven years old. So, on the topic of drugs, I think Homegirl needs to be taken with a truck load o' salt.

[Serrart]

Ten points for you! Lindsey is always the bad guy when listening to Stevie. The problems or fights were never her fault. It is part of the whole SnL schtick. The way she portrays their relationship in the media plays into the whole thing they are selling onstage.

I don't see a man kicking a woman as a reasonable reaction to a quarrel not even if they're rockstars. The don't bounce either as far as I know.

Romy

[AliP]

She should show Lindsey the same respect. I have said before, but I will say it again. Lindsey has always respected her privacy. He has never really betrayed her in the press. (please do not bring up the lounge act comment, that was an opinion about her show, not a personal attack) Plenty of the other men Stevie was involved with, have gone on to tell her secrets in books, to magazines, on radio interviews. LB has always shown an incredible amount of class when it comes to not outing Stevie on a variety of things. He just allows her to say the things she does and never contradicts her in the media, nor does he lash out in response. This aspect of their dynamic, specifically Stevie, bothers me. If she is going to stand up and talk about band skeletons (LB), she needs to speak up more often about all the good things he has done for her over the years. The negative talk has vastly outweighed the positive regarding LB. (and no I do not believe she really feels negatively towards him, I said above I feel it plays into the whole love/hate, hot/cold schtick they use to sell their show) "and we still have time to hate, but there's still something we can sell"'...

Blast away...

I'm not going to blast away because I completely agree. That was more or less what I was trying to say about one thousand pages back in this thread. lol. If Lindsey truly is her friend and she cares about him then why talk so much trash about him? I would like to say that I respect her honesty, but unfortunately, I don't believe she is being 100% honest when she talks about him and I think that's sad.

[Johnny Stew]

The problem I have is now this "'story" will be passed around for years and years and Lindsey looks like an abusive prick...based on Stevie's interview.I thought Carol Ann Harris already made him look like an abusive prick.

Or was that Cheri Caspari? I can't keep those two straight.

[dissention]

I thought Carol Ann Harris already made him look like an abusive prick.

Or was that Cheri Caspari? I can't keep those two straight.

I believe it was Carol Ann who was on Geraldo.

[sparky]

I thought Carol Ann Harris already made him look like an abusive prick.

Or was that Cheri Caspari? I can't keep those two straight.

Lindsay had that problem with Anne Heche.

[Johnny Stew]

Lindsay had that problem with Anne Heche.:laugh:

Reminds me of that old SNL quote... "it's men like you, who make women go lesbo."