What's going on here!?!?

[DavidMn]

Somewhere in my little pea brain I'm having a REALLY hard time figuring out why officials are saying that they screwed up AGAIN in providing aid in a timely manner to Wilma victims. Someone please tell me what the F**K is goin on here?:mad: :mad: :mad:

[dissention]

Somewhere in my little pea brain I'm having a REALLY hard time figuring out why officials are saying that they screwed up AGAIN in providing aid in a timely manner to Wilma victims. Someone please tell me what the F**K is goin on here?:mad: :mad: :mad:

Incompetence.

[strandinthewind]

Gov. Bush: Wilma response will 'be better'
Florida governor takes blame for distribution troubles

POMPANO BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said relief agency response to Hurricane Wilma will "be better" Thursday after residents waited for hours the day before for basic supplies such as water, ice and gasoline.

"Today is going to be better, tomorrow is going to be better than today, and the day after tomorrow will be even better," Bush said during a Wednesday news conference.

As the governor accepted blame for distribution troubles that have forced many to wait in long lines for free government water and ice, he also suggested that some residents failed to stock up adequately in advance of Monday's Category 3 hurricane.

"People had ample time to prepare," Bush said. "And it isn't that hard to get 72 hours' worth of food and water ... just to do the simple things that we ask people to do."

President Bush, the governor's brother, was scheduled to tour the region later Thursday.The Bush administration was criticized for its response to Hurricane Katrina in August.

Florida's governor tried to take some of the blame off the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which many critics faulted for a slow response in the earlier hurricane.

"If anybody wants to blame anybody, blame me," the governor said. "Don't blame FEMA. This is our responsibility, and we are doing a good job."

Broward County Mayor Kristin Jacobs said that authorities would lift the region's boil water order later Thursday, allowing residents to drink tap water.

"That should eliminate a lot of the problems with lines," said Jacobs, whose county includes Fort Lauderdale.

She said many local grocery stores would be getting electricity and making and selling ice to residents -- which also will reduce some of the lines.

Florida Power & Light Co., the state's largest electricity supplier, said it had restored power to 689,000 customers as of Wednesday evening. The company said it hoped to restore power to a majority of its customers by November 8.

Also Wednesday, Wilma's death toll in Florida had doubled -- to 10 people -- said a spokeswoman for the Florida Emergency Operations Center in Tallahassee. The hurricane also was blamed for four deaths in Mexico and at least seven in Haiti.

In Sunny Isles Beach north of Miami Beach, 90 cars at one point Wednesday waited in line for fuel at a gas station, while a separate line almost as long formed a block away at another station.

Many of those in line had about half a tank of gas but were determined to fill up in case of fuel shortages.

North of Fort Lauderdale, Oakland Park resident Marcia Jenkins said Wednesday she had tried in vain for two days to get ice.

"Yesterday we stood in line from 12 to about 4, and we didn't get any ice. I gave up and I left," Jenkins said. "So I figured I'd come today and I got to the end of the line and ... no more ice; they said, 'Wait till the next truck.' " (Watch residents express their anger -- 1:19)

Florida's governor said there were 71 distribution points as of Wednesday and that there would be 78 Thursday.

As many as 586 trucks were ferrying supplies to the sites, and 3,700 National Guard members were helping to distribute materials and provide security.

Bush said he had expected the distribution points to be set up within 24 hours after the storm.

"We didn't meet those expectations," he said.

Acting FEMA Director David Paulison, a Miami native, vowed: "We're going to make sure everyone's taken care of."

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff visited South Florida on Wednesday, acknowledging that "everybody's patience has been taxed."

"We are in the process of doing everything within our power to get resources down to the state of Florida," Chertoff said, requesting "everybody's patience and forbearance."

He also said companies that provide fuel and "able-bodied people" with resources have a duty to prepare for predictable disasters such as Wilma so FEMA can concentrate initially on those needing help the most.

Meanwhile, Miami International Airport was phasing in more flights daily as crews surveyed the facility and made needed repairs. (Full story)

Flights head to Mexico
Airline and State Department officials said at least nine U.S. commercial flights were flying to Mexico on Wednesday to rescue some of the 10,000 American tourists who've been stranded since Wilma hit the Yucatan Peninsula last week.

American Airlines was sending five flights, Continental Airlines four and United Airlines one, said spokesmen for the airlines. (Full story)

"We are hoping to continue that through the weekend," American spokesman John Hotard said. (Watch thousands of tourists stranded in Mexico -- 1:15)

A cruise ship also was sent to Cozumel to pick up Americans and take them to Fort Lauderdale free of charge, State Department officials said.

State Department officials estimate at least 8,000 Americans remain in hotels and shelters in Cancun, and another 2,000 are in Merida and 650 on Cozumel.

CNN's Allan Chernoff, Elise Labott and Miles O'Brien contributed to this report.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/10/27/wilma/index.html

[Nixxxed]

This statement is the crux of everything that is wrong with the system:

"People had ample time to prepare," Bush said. "And it isn't that hard to get 72 hours' worth of food and water ... just to do the simple things that we ask people to do."

He obviously hasn't been in a grocery store in years, maybe decades, and has no idea how real people live. I can say from experience that the second a storm enters the Gulf, there is a run on the grocery stores and most supplies are sold out within hours. Even moreso since all the storms last year in Florida, and the Katrina/Rita situation this year.

Panicking people don't have a "share with your neighbor" mentality in these situations - they go in and buy as much as they can to stock up. My brother is a grocery store manager for a large chain here in TX. You wouldn't believe the stories he tells me of people fighting over the last bottles of water or loaves of bread - even when the weather forecasters don't know exactly where the storm is going (and they are never really sure until it actually hits.

[snowman]

Somewhere in my little pea brain I'm having a REALLY hard time figuring out why officials are saying that they screwed up AGAIN in providing aid in a timely manner to Wilma victims. Someone please tell me what the F**K is goin on here?:mad: :mad: :mad:

I think, after the fiasco w/ Katrina, the gov't is just covering their butts. Beating the press and public to the punch.

[krrrby]

Quote:

"Today is going to be better, tomorrow is going to be better than today, and the day after tomorrow will be even better," Bush said during a Wednesday news conference."

Well obviously Gov Bush, Yesterday was not better, today was not better than yesterday, and tomorrow is looking not better than the day before."

Lets face it...we're in a society where the right-winged rich and powerful could give a s*** less how much you make or what your situation is. They just go on national television and help out John Doe and say "its all good"

"Everyone knew...poor little fool."

And whats up with Bush video-conferencing with some soldiers, and footage that was caught with a Pentagon aide staging the soldiers answers??

Is it 2008 yet?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I realize the President is powerful but I don't think he is quite powerful enough to whip up Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes.

[Moony]

I realize the President is powerful but I don't think he is quite powerful enough to whip up Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes.
Nice try there.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Want to the know the problem... it's called B U S H

In all forms, that is the problem..whether it be President or Governor..there you have it!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Nice try there.

Also someone must explain to Democrats that disaster relief must begin on the local level.

But hell why not...


IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

[Beachwood Mac]

I realize the President is powerful but I don't think he is quite powerful enough to whip up Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes.

At least give Ann Coulter credit when you use her lines.

BTW, I didn't buy it when she said it either :D

[krrrby]

lol that's true

[dissention]

At least give Ann Coulter credit when you use her lines.

I've been saying that very same thing for as long as I can remember. :lol:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Also someone must explain to Democrats that disaster relief must begin on the local level.

But hell why not...


IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!


Well I don't think it's coincidental that the head of a FEDERAL agency (FEMA) stepped down after their disastrous "efforts" of Katrina...Don't forget this was someone BUSH nominated.. Who made the decision that disaster relief MUST begin at the local level? Isn't FEMA (Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency) responsible at all, or is their responsibility nonexistent? It's also funny that when something goes good, you guys will be the first to gloat...but when it goes bad BLAME IT ON THE LOCAL OFFICIALS!

[dissention]

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

Whatever you say, Sleestak.

[strandinthewind]

Want to the know the problem... it's called B U S H

In all forms, that is the problem..whether it be President or Governor..there you have it!

at least he wasn't having lunch - or at least thinking about where to have it.

Again- your doing a HECK of a job Brownie :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

at least he wasn't having lunch - or at least thinking about where to have it.

Again- your doing a HECK of a job Brownie :rolleyes:

And what are you doing besides ACCUSE?

The President can't just snap his fingers and make it all just go away. It takes time and effort on behalf of the local and state governments. And it should only resort to the federal government in severe cases when the local and state levels simply won't suffice...IE...Katrina. Which of course we all know FEMA's response, in the case of Katrina was down right pathetic.

[strandinthewind]

And what are you doing besides ACCUSE?

Oh I don't know - telling the truth - rube


The President can't just snap his fingers and make it all just go away. It takes time and effort on behalf of the local and state governments. And it should only resort to the federal government in severe cases when the local and state levels simply won't suffice...IE...Katrina. Which of course we all know FEMA's response, in the case of Katrina was down right pathetic.

Listen carefully and try to learn - that is cr*p - FEMA took on the roll and failed. Is that too much for you to grasp at this late hour :laugh:

BTW - perhaps if W had not cut the funding to shore up the levees to pay for his BS war for oil, they might have held. Does it pain you that that is a fact. Or, are you more interested in rhetoric - if so, here is some - Your doin a heck of job [eating] Brownie," I mean who really cares about those black people :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh I don't know - telling the truth - rube

And of course you are going to use such terms to describe an individual whom you do not even know! Gee. Thanks.



Listen carefully and try to learn - that is cr*p - FEMA took on the roll and failed. Is that too much for you to grasp at this late hour :laugh:

There hasn't been much that FEMA has succeeded at dear! :lol:

But I still don't understand the complaints this go-round. Even the people in Florida (at least the ones I have heard from) have said that the response has been pretty good thus far.

[strandinthewind]

And of course you are going to use such terms to describe an individual whom you do not even know! Gee. Thanks.

As my father used to say - sees like **** smells like **** :shrug:


There hasn't been much that FEMA has succeeded at dear! :lol:

Well, then why did W praise them - hmmm could it be that he is disconnected from reality :laugh: Also, W said he was the man to keep us safe in an emergency - card laid is a card played baby.

But I still don't understand the complaints this go-round. Even the people in Florida (at least the ones I have heard from) have said that the response has been pretty good thus far.

I tend to agree. I mean the lines could be shorter and even Jeb admitted that :shrug: So, the bitching about that is legit :shrug:

[dissention]

Well, then why did W praise them - hmmm could it be that he is disconnected from reality :laugh: Also, W said he was the man to keep us safe in an emergency - card laid is a card played baby.

Michael Brown is still on the payroll, too. Collecting and cashing the checks. I wonder what restaurants he dines at with the money.

[strandinthewind]

Michael Brown is still on the payroll, too. Collecting and cashing the checks. I wonder what restaurants he dines at with the money.

Also, you do realize he has a FEMA dining budget :rolleyes: or, maybe that was the rebuke :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

As my father used to say - sees like **** smells like **** :shrug:

Ok. Meet me once, and I promise I will disprove your father's crap theory! :nod: :lol:



Well, then why did W praise them - hmmm could it be that he is disconnected from reality :laugh: Also, W said he was the man to keep us safe in an emergency - card laid is a card played baby.

Because our poor Bushy isn't the brightest in the world, and we knew that when we were voting for him! But a hell of a lot better than Kerry!


I tend to agree. I mean the lines could be shorter and even Jeb admitted that :shrug: So, the bitching about that is legit :shrug:

But it just seems that the bitching is never-ending and tends to sound more like continuous screeching from the left!

[dissention]

But it just seems that the bitching is never-ending and tends to sound more like continuous screeching from the left!

Ssshhhh. It's not screeching. It's opining, Sleestak.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Because our poor Bushy isn't the brightest in the world, and we knew that when we were voting for him!

LOL - your boat is sinking and you are too blind to see it with that "logic"

But a hell of a lot better than Kerry!

at least Kerry put his money where his mouth was and was willing to die for his country as opposed to getting his daddy to get him in the National Guard and then failing miserably at that - but hey let's get everyone else to send their kids to a war we didn't have to fight and never mind W didn't serve with any honor when it was his turn :rolleyes:

[dissention]

LOL - your boat is sinking and you are too blind to see it with that "logic"

Personally, I get pleasure out of hearing him admit to voting for a dolt. The right-wing knows that the human being and fish can coexist peacefully, after all.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ssshhhh. It's not screeching. It's opining, Sleestak.
No, opining is telling your best friend she looks fat in her dress.

Screeching is incessant, high-pitched, complaints about a situation.



BTW...so are you saying that it is merely the opinion of a few that the relief efforts in Florida have been sub par. Or is it a FACT like in Katrina's case?

[strandinthewind]

. . . Screeching is incessant, high-pitched, complaints about a situation . . . .

and ladies and gentlemen - we have an accurate description of Ann the sow Coulter from her biggest fan :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

LOL - your boat is sinking and you are too blind to see it with that "logic".

Well we know he is no Reagan! This nomination to the USSC is MORE IMPORTANT than Bush himself is as a President! :nod:

at least Kerry put his money where his mouth was and was willing to die for his country as opposed to getting his daddy to get him in the National Guard and then failing miserably at that - but hey let's get everyone else to send their kids to a war we didn't have to fight and never mind W didn't serve with any honor when it was his turn :rolleyes:

Of course, only to return and join the moonbats' slandering of his fellow soldiers.

[dissention]

Screeching is incessant, high-pitched, complaints about a situation.

The right-wing owns the copyright to screeching, then.

BTW...so are you saying that it is merely the opinion of a few that the relief efforts in Florida have been sub par. Or is it a FACT like in Katrina's case?

I wasn't really paying to attention to whatever silly argument was going on. I just wanted to make like Bush and use the word "opining."

[strandinthewind]

Well we know he is no Reagan!

THANK GOD - and exactly what was humane or Christian or safe about ejecting thousands of mnentally ill people from the safety of the homes and forcing them into the streets :rolleyes:

[dissention]

Of course, only to return and join the moonbats' slandering of his fellow soldiers.

Tell that to the Vietnamese who had their ears sliced off by American troops. And that's not even scratching the surface. I didn't realize it was slander to state facts. Otherwise, every author of ever textbook that mentions the My Lai massacre would be guilty of "slander."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

The right-wing owns the copyright to screeching, then.

At least our screeching leads to something! Miers dropped that nomination faster than NBC dropped “Inconceivable”...didn't she?



I wasn't really paying to attention to whatever silly argument was going on. I just wanted to make like Bush and use the word "opining."

I will remember that the next time you to respond to one to of to my to posts to!

[dissention]

THANK GOD - and exactly what was humane or Christian or safe about ejecting thousands of mnentally ill people from the safety of the homes and forcing them into the streets :rolleyes:

What was humane and Christian about supporting apartheid?

[strandinthewind]

. . . Of course, only to return and join the moonbats' slandering of his fellow soldiers.

Please cite to any credible source that says the Vietnam War was in any way a valid war, esp. considering the person involved in the making of the sole cause of it said he had no idea if the sole cause was true :laugh:

Have you ever actually read a history book :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

What was humane and Christian about supporting apartheid?

Oh who cares about those black people, I mean after all, our ****e brothers in Christ made them what they are and now they are all uppidity with us :rolleyes:

[dissention]

At least our screeching leads to something! Miers dropped that nomination faster than NBC dropped “Inconceivable”...didn't she?

You're too stupid to even realize when you're being duped. Thank Harry Reid, he orchestrated the Miers extravaganza.

I will remember that the next time you to respond to one to of to my to posts to!

You do that, Sleestak.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

THANK GOD - and exactly what was humane or Christian or safe about ejecting thousands of mnentally ill people from the safety of the homes and forcing them into the streets :rolleyes:

Well you would have to go further back than Reagan to really answer that question. The deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

[strandinthewind]

Tell that to the Vietnamese who had their ears sliced off by American troops. And that's not even scratching the surface. I didn't realize it was slander to state facts. Otherwise, every author of ever textbook that mentions the My Lai massacre would be guilty of "slander."

Hey now - Ann says the Vietnam War was valid and our soldiers said or did no such thing :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're too stupid to even realize when you're being duped. Thank Harry Reid, he orchestrated the Miers extravaganza.





Ann Coulter...

With Miers withdrawal, Bush has us back on the team, ready to cheer for him unreservedly. All we ask is that you please not listen to Harry Reid next time.

[dissention]

Please cite to any credible source that says the Vietnam War was in any way a valid war, esp. considering the person involved in the making of the sole cause of it said he had no idea if the sole cause was true :laugh:

Have you ever actually read a history book :laugh:

You mean the Gulf of Tonkin attacks never really happened? :eek:

Surely you jest!

[strandinthewind]

Well you would have to go further back than Reagan to really answer that question. The deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

Prove that statement - which you cannot - again, please little rube please read a history book :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

You mean the Gulf of Tonkin attacks never really happened? :eek:

Surely you jest!

Ann Coulter apparently thinks it did :laugh: She is such a compassionate transvestite isn't she :laugh:

[dissention]

Ann Coulter apparently thinks it did :laugh: She is such a compassionate transvestite isn't she :laugh:

You can tell she's lying by how low her testicles are swinging.

[strandinthewind]

You can tell she's lying by how low her testicles are swinging.

SWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWING LOW - SWEET TRAAAANNNSSSVEEEEESTITE :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Prove that statement - which you cannot - again, please little rube please read a history book :laugh:

http://www.namimass.org/articles/forgotpop.htm

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~cmhsr/history.html

http://www.psychlaws.org/HospitalClosure/Flory.htm


Beginning in the 1950s there was an effort throughout the United States to remove long-term patients from psychiatric facilities and place them in community-based treatment programs.



Greenblatt, M. (1992). Deinstitutionalization and reinstitutionalization of the mentally ill. In M. J. Robertson & M. Greenblatt (Eds.), Homelessness: a national perspective (pp. 47-56). New York: Plenum Press

Grob, G. N. (1994). The mad among us: A history of the care of America's mentally ill. New York: Free Press.

[strandinthewind]

http://www.namimass.org/articles/forgotpop.htm

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~cmhsr/history.html

http://www.psychlaws.org/HospitalClosure/Flory.htm



Greenblatt, M. (1992). Deinstitutionalization and reinstitutionalization of the mentally ill. In M. J. Robertson & M. Greenblatt (Eds.), Homelessness: a national perspective (pp. 47-56). New York: Plenum Press

Grob, G. N. (1994). The mad among us: A history of the care of America's mentally ill. New York: Free Press.

And how does that disprove my statement - rube.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I suppose the above was all Reagan’s fault too? Right...?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And how does that disprove my statement - rube.

I said that the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

You said it did not.

Called me a name. (Which you just did again...can you please pick another one! BROKEN RECORD!)

And implied that I was an "idiot" who needed to read more.

:shrug:

[strandinthewind]

I suppose the above was all Reagan’s fault too? Right...?

Pathetic as usual - please demonstrate how RR did not do what I said to the death of many of these unfortunate people and the horror of the people they committed crimes againt.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Pathetic as usual - please demonstrate how RR did not do what I said to the death of many of these unfortunate people and the horror of the people they committed crimes againt.

I don't think I said anything about that.

Read above posts.

SPINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[dissention]

Ann Coulter...

You're missing the point. Reid set you fools up because he knew you'd raise a stink over Miers, and that she wouldn't even make it to the confirmation hearings. It was brilliant.

[strandinthewind]

I said that the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

You said it did not.

Called me a name.

And implied that I was an "idiot" who needed to read more.

:shrug:

Again, RR released people who could not help themselves all to give money to rich people. Who gives a rat's a$$ what happened before then. He did it. This is not a difficult concept to grasp :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're missing the point. Reid set you fools up because he knew you'd raise a stink over Miers, and that she wouldn't even make it to the confirmation hearings. It was brilliant.

You lost me. To imply that any democrat is "brilliant" is just silly! :lol:

[strandinthewind]

I don't think I said anything about that.

Read above posts.

SPINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Ummm I was talking about RR's acts and you spun it to something that you think happened way before then, which had nothing to do with RR. I mean to follow your "logic" - RR just continued a bad act, which makes him bad as well - rube.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Again, RR released people who could not help themselves all to give money to rich people. Who gives a rat's a$$ what happened before then. He did it. This is not a difficult concept to grasp :laugh:

Again...I am not talking about that, and you werent either before I proved you wrong and now you are...

SPINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNING!

[strandinthewind]

. . . And implied that I was an "idiot" who needed to read more.

:shrug:

Your arguments demonstrate both are true. Just own it.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

You lost me. To imply that any democrat is "brilliant" is just silly! :lol:

To that I say "is our children learning?"

Chris

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ummm I was talking about RR's acts and you spun it to something that you think happened way before then, which had nothing to do with RR. I mean to follow your "logic" - RR just continued a bad act, which makes him bad as well - rube.

You said that I was "lying" whenever I said that the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

I proved you wrong about that.

And now your spinning it!

[strandinthewind]

Again...I am not talking about that, and you werent either before I proved you wrong and now you are...

SPINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNING!

Pathetic as usual - rube

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Your arguments demonstrate both are true. Just own it.

You are so spinning right now! I actually think I might spit up my diet coke! HOLD ON!

[strandinthewind]

You said that I was "lying" whenever I said that the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.

I proved you wrong about that.

And now your spinning it!

No - I said that it had nothing to do with RR's choice, which you said was merely a continuation of that. But and in any event you are wrong on both counts.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Pathetic as usual - rube

Just admit that you were wrong about that one fact! OMG! You can do that right?

[dissention]

You said that I was "lying" whenever I said that the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill from hospitals began in the 1950's.


And you do realize that Reagan began dismantling psychiatric hospitals in California well before he became president, right?

[strandinthewind]

Just admit that you were wrong about that one fact! OMG! You can do that right?

What fact was that - you have said none.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No - I said that it had nothing to do with RR's choice, which you said was merely a continuation of that. But and in any event you are wrong on both counts.

So now you are going to sit there and ignore the fact that the epidemic began when Reagan was still a B movie actor in Hollywood!

I never said anything about what Reagan did or didn't do whenever he took office.

[strandinthewind]

And you do realize that Reagan began dismantling psychiatric hospitals in California well before he became president, right?

Oh - hey now - it was all some ficticious thing that started in the 50's and RR was merely a pawn of the powers that controlled that :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

So now you are going to sit there and ignore the fact that the epidemic began when Reagan was still a B movie actor in Hollywood!

I never said anything about what Reagan did or didn't do whenever he took office.

keep thinking that - rube

I mean then why the hell did you bring it up in the context of RR but for to SPINNNNNNNNNNNN

[Brwn_eyes0511]

What fact was that - you have said none.

1950's - IT STARTED THEN!

You said I couldn't prove it!

I DID!

What shocks me is not that you didn't even know that little factoid (although that would be enough); but that you can't admit that you were wrong about it!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

keep thinking that - rube

I mean then why the hell did you bring it up in the context of RR but for to SPINNNNNNNNNNNN

I didn’t' even bring it up!

I just simply pointed out that the epidemic didn't begin when he took office...it was there LONG BEFORE!

[dissention]

So now you are going to sit there and ignore the fact that the epidemic began when Reagan was still a B movie actor in Hollywood!

And you're going to ignore the fact that he created those problems in the state of California by kicking the mentally ill out of hospitals, under the pretext that they would be committed to community facilities that were, in all actuality, never funded, therefore leaving all of those evicted from the hospitals out on the streets?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And you do realize that Reagan began dismantling psychiatric hospitals in California well before he became president, right?

Yes I was aware...

[strandinthewind]

Yes I was aware...

But is all the fault of the 50's :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And you're going to ignore the fact that he created those problems in the state of California by kicking the mentally ill out of hospitals, under the pretext that they would be committed to community facilities that were, in all actuality, never funded, therefore leaving all of those evicted from the hospitals out on the streets?

And you are going to ignore the fact that it didn't start with him. But it was a problem that began long before he was governor.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

But is all the fault of the 50's :shrug:

No, of course not!

Does the entire fault lie with Reagan

[strandinthewind]

And you are going to ignore the fact that it didn't start with him. But it was a problem that began long before he was governor.

and that makes what he, your idol, did right, Christian, humane, decent, etc. :shrug:

[dissention]

And you are going to ignore the fact that it didn't start with him.

It started with him in California.

[strandinthewind]

No, of course not!

Does the entire fault lie with Reagan

It does for the people he let go - this is not a difficult concept :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

and that makes what he, your idol, did right, Christian, humane, decent, etc. :shrug:

Were we talking about me? :confused: :shrug:

[dissention]

and that makes what he, your idol, did right, Christian, humane, decent, etc. :shrug:

Reagan is as much of a Christian as I am.

[strandinthewind]

It started with him in California.

Oh no - those "facts" the rube cited indicate it started way before them and RR was just a pawn following suit and he, therefore, cannot be blamed in any way for this immoral behavior.

[strandinthewind]

Were we talking about me? :confused: :shrug:

keep up dear - we are talking about RR :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It does for the people he let go - this is not a difficult concept :shrug:

OMG!

This is the best spinning I have ever been witness too!

APPLAUD!

I'm not talking about specific people. I'm talking about the epidemic.

I answered your question honestly. I flipped it around and asked you the exact same thing and you can't answer it!

[sparky]

Reagan is as much of a Christian as I am.

No, actually, he's DEAD ! :blob2: :blob1:

[strandinthewind]

OMG!

This is the best spinning I have ever been witness too!

APPLAUD!

I'm not talking about specific people. I'm talking about the epidemic.

I answered your question honestly. I flipped it around and asked you the exact same thing and you can't answer it!

Yep - RR had no fault whatsoever - none - it was all this fabrication you assert lurched forward like an unstoppable and crazed steamroller in the 50's :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

keep up dear - we are talking about RR :wavey:

Yes we were. Not about how large my Reagan alter is; so why bring it up if not to spin!?

[strandinthewind]

Yes we were. Not about how large my Reagan alter is; so why bring it up if not to spin!?

Hmmm - you brought up the 50's I did not. Moreover, I said RR was your idol - do you refute that?

[dissention]

No, actually, he's DEAD ! :blob2: :blob1:

I know, I realized that after I posted it. But if you ask me, he was dead early on in his first term. What little mind he had was gone and it only became more aparrent when he started blaming trees for pollution and declaring catsup a vegetable.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yep - RR had no fault whatsoever - none - it was all this fabrication you assert lurched forward like an unstoppable and crazed steamroller in the 50's :laugh:

I didn't say that RR had no fault! I thought I addressed that when you asked me that question a few posts ago.

But you can't factually state that this epidemic began with him...like liberals always try to do.

[strandinthewind]

I know, I realized that after I posted it. But if you ask me, he was dead early on in his first term. What little mind he had was gone and it only became more aparrent when he started blaming trees for pollution and declaring catsup a vegetable.


Did you know that RR was a pawn in the essential slaughter of the homeless?

[strandinthewind]

I didn't say that RR had no fault! I thought I addressed that when you asked me that question a few posts ago.

of course you did :laugh:

But you can't factually state that this epidemic began with him...like liberals always try to do.

Yep - it began with any significance with him - you just hit the nail on the head :wavey:

[dissention]

But you can't factually state that this epidemic began with him...like liberals always try to do.

When it comes to the state of California, I certainly can and did.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Hmmm - you brought up the 50's I did not. Moreover, I said RR was your idol - do you refute that?

He is my favorite President, yes. He is one of my political heroes, yes!

[strandinthewind]

He is my favorite President, yes. He is one of my political heroes, yes!

and he essentially slaughtered countless mentally ill people - nice

[dissention]

He is my favorite President, yes. He is one of my political heroes, yes!

Might as well go over and slay a South African yourself, then.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

When it comes to the state of California, I certainly can and did.

So let me get this straight. The deinstitutionalizations that began in the 1950's happened all across this great land of ours...EXCEPT for California?

[strandinthewind]

Might as well go over and slay a South African yourself, then.

Honey - he can't even fight for the immediate threat in Iraq right now :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Might as well go over and slay a South African yourself, then.
I'd much rather slay a screechy liberal! :lol:

You fit the profile Josh, better watch out! :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

of course you did :laugh:

You are lying! I said no such thing!

[strandinthewind]

You are lying! I said no such thing!

RR was a total innocent - it all happened in the 50's :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Honey - he can't even fight for the immediate threat in Iraq right now :laugh:
There is no need for me. Haven't you heard? It has gone as good as any way can go!

They voted, we captured Saddam, they now have a constitution!

[dissention]

So let me get this straight. The deinstitutionalizations that began in the 1950's happened all across this great land of ours...EXCEPT for California?

You don't even know what you're arguing. Deinstitutionalization is a completely different animal from yanking out the mentally ill from psychiatric institutions and leaving them to fend for themselves because you didn't bother to fund the community institutions that would have replaced involuntary institutionalization.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

RR was a total innocent - it all happened in the 50's :laugh:


I merely pointed out that 100% of the blame shouldn't fall solely on Reagan...as you would want it to!

[dissention]

I merely pointed out that 100% of the blame shouldn't fall solely on Reagan...as you would want it to!

And you seem to have no real knowledge of what deinstitutionalization is or what Reagan did.

[strandinthewind]

You don't even know what you're arguing. Deinstitutionalization is a completely different animal from yanking out the mentally ill from psychiatric institutions and leaving them to fend for themselves because you didn't bother to fund the community institutions that would have replaced involuntary institutionalization.

Boy - those Eisenhower years - so great - oh well at least Mamie looked swell :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

And you seem to have no real knowledge of what deinstitutionalization is or what Reagan did.

Poor Brown Eyes - PLEASE READ A HISTORY BOOK :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You don't even know what you're arguing. Deinstitutionalization is a completely different animal from yanking out the mentally ill from psychiatric institutions and leaving them to fend for themselves because you didn't bother to fund the community institutions that would have replaced involuntary institutionalization.

I have been warned and so I know how much you and Jason love to have the last word! So I will let you have it...so give yourselves a pat on the back so you can think you have "won" against the "rube"!

This uneducated boy must be getting to bed now...

goodnight. :wavey:

[dissention]

I have been warned and so I know how much you and Jason love to have the last word! So I will let you have it...so give yourselves a pat on the back so you can think you have "won" against the "rube"!

This uneducated boy must be getting to bed now...

goodnight. :wavey:

It has nothing to do with the last word, it has to do with having a grasp on what you're arguing.

Goodnight, Sleestak. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I have been warned and so I know how much you and Jason love to have the last word! So I will let you have it...so give yourselves a pat on the back so you can think you have "won" against the "rube"!

This uneducated boy must be getting to bed now...

goodnight. :wavey:

Read a history book before you go to bed - rube :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

It has nothing to do with the last word, it has to do with having a grasp on what you're arguing . . . .

a point lost on him and his ilk :laugh:

[amber]

It has nothing to do with the last word, it has to do with having a grasp on what you're arguing.

Goodnight, Sleestak. :wavey:
That's what I've been saying....:shrug: ie, "more.info.needed."

[macfanken]

There is no need for me. Haven't you heard? It has gone as good as any way can go!

Hmmm... 100,000+ dead Iraqis... 2,000+ dead Americans... it's been a catastrophic success! :distress:

They voted, we captured Saddam, they now have a constitution!

Yep, "Mission Accomplished"... then let's get the hell out of there!

[dissention]

a point lost on him and his ilk :laugh:

It reminds me of attending dinner parties and talking politics with someone who has stances on issues, but knows next to nothing about them and doesn't come armed with a single fact. The discussion then becomes as flaccid as Tom Cruise at the sight of a naked woman and a rather uncomfortable vibe begins to permeate through the air.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Hmmm... 100,000+ dead Iraqis... 2,000+ dead Americans... it's been a catastrophic success! :distress:

KEN!

I told you I am not going to talk politics with you! :lol: :xoxo:



Yep, "Mission Accomplished"... then let's get the hell out of there!

And it will happen, hopefully as soon as possible.

[strandinthewind]

. . . And it will happen, hopefully as soon as possible.

Hmmm --- maybe we are there because of an unrelated even in 1950 that you can put out there in an attempt to deflect W and posse's current lies for why we are there :laugh: Of course, Rumsfeld and the Rupub. admin. at that time did actually help put SH in power to begin with, so there is that as well :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

They had the trucks with supplies ready but they did not have any fuel in them. :rolleyes:

[dissention]

And it will happen, hopefully as soon as possible.

Is that why Minute Rice just recently said to prepare to be there for possibly ten more years?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Is that why Minute Rice just recently said to prepare to be there for possibly ten more years?

Well...The US military presence in Iraq is going to be essentially permanent. With 200 Billion in capitol investment at stake, we're not just going to walk away from that. Our Iraqi bases are a permanent thorn in Iran's side, and we would be remiss in walking away from such a strategic advantage that, when coupled with our Afghan bases, form a pincer that the Ayatollahs cannot stomach.

[macfanken]

Well...The US military presence in Iraq is going to be essentially permanent. With 200 Billion in capitol investment at stake, we're not just going to walk away from that. Our Iraqi bases are a permanent thorn in Iran's side, and we would be remiss in walking away from such a strategic advantage that, when coupled with our Afghan bases, form a pincer that the Ayatollahs cannot stomach.

Yay! A little honesty! Isn't that why we REALLY invaded Iraq... for military bases? It's been part of the Neocons' grand plan since the early 90s.

[Jyqm]

Well...The US military presence in Iraq is going to be essentially permanent. With 200 Billion in capitol investment at stake, we're not just going to walk away from that. Our Iraqi bases are a permanent thorn in Iran's side, and we would be remiss in walking away from such a strategic advantage that, when coupled with our Afghan bases, form a pincer that the Ayatollahs cannot stomach.

Brandon is correct: The justification for the war is now, "Well yeah, we f***ed things up by going in there in the first place, but we'll be f***ing things up even more if we try leave."

I believe that's the definition of a "quagmire." As with quicksand, once you're in, struggling to pull yourself out only causes you to sink deeper into the pit.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yay! A little honesty! Isn't that why we REALLY invaded Iraq... for military bases? It's been part of the Neocons' grand plan since the early 90s.

No, I don't think that is WHY we invaded, but now that we are in there...

[Jyqm]

No, I don't think that is WHY we invaded, but now that we are in there...

There's just all kinds of happy little coincidences that have come about as a result of this war, huh? What a lucky bunch that Bush team is!

[DavidMn]

Whatever you say, Sleestak.Where do you keep coming up with funny **** like this?
:lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Where do you keep coming up with funny **** like this?
:lol:

Look up Sleestak.

I'm not that green!

[DavidMn]

Look up Sleestak.

I'm not that green!I know. I just thought it was funny.

[dissention]

Where do you keep coming up with funny **** like this?
:lol:

:laugh:

It just comes to me.

[DavidMn]

:laugh:

It just comes to me.Well, I must thank you because that gave me the laugh I really needed.:laugh:

[dissention]

Well, I must thank you because that gave me the laugh I really needed.:laugh:

Glad to be of service. I should have my own syndicated column if you ask me. I'd corner the markets when it comes to shrill absurdity and vulgarity.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Glad to be of service. I should have my own syndicated column if you ask me.

Try Human Events

:laugh:

[dissention]

Try Human Events

:laugh:

You'll never convince me that Human Events isn't parody. Never.

[DavidMn]

Glad to be of service. I should have my own syndicated column if you ask me. I'd corner the markets when it comes to shrill absurdity and vulgarity.I dont care if I agree with you or not, you are never boring.:wavey: