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strandinthewind
10-23-2005, 07:19 PM
October 23, 2005

Fitzgerald Is Expected to Decide Whether to Seek Indictments

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
and DAVID JOHNSTON

WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 - After a 22-month inquiry, the special counsel in the C.I.A. leak case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, is expected to announce this week whether he will seek indictments against White House officials, a decision that is likely to be a defining moment of President Bush's second term.


Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, and I. Lewis Libby Jr., who is Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, have been advised that they are in serious legal jeopardy in a case that began as a minor irritant for the president's aides but has grown into a raging conflagration for the White House.

It is not publicly known when Mr. Fitzgerald will take action, if any, but whatever he decides, the prosecutor is expected to make an announcement before Friday, the final day of the term of his grand jury. In the past, the grand jury has met on Wednesdays and Fridays.

As the White House braced for a decision by Mr. Fitzgerald, Republicans began suggesting that they would pursue a strategy of minimizing any charges as technicalities or the product of an overzealous prosecution.

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press," compared the leak investigation to the case of Martha Stewart, "where they couldn't find a crime and they indict on something that she said about something that wasn't a crime."

Senator Hutchison said she hoped "that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality [anyone see irony here :laugh: ] where they couldn't indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars."

Democrats signaled that they would use the leak investigation to help weave a broader tapestry portraying the Republican Party as corrupt and the White House as dishonest with the American people.

"We know that the president wasn't truthful with us when he sent us to Iraq," the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, said on ABC's "This Week." "What got Rove and Libby in trouble was because they were attacking -- which the Republicans always do-- attacking somebody who criticized them and disagreed with them. They make the attacks personal. They go over the line."

The negative effects on Mr. Bush's presidency from indictments of his senior aides, said James A. Thurber, director of the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University in Washington, would be as great as the positive effects of Mr. Bush's handling of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"This is the most important turning point for his administration in terms of turning down and losing support," Mr. Thurber said.

A weakened White House, he said, could lead to further infighting among the conservatives who provide most of Mr. Bush's legislative, grassroots and financial support, and could leave the administration with even less political clout to sway Democrats in Republican-leaning states to back Mr. Bush's agenda. In the Senate, Mr. Bush has depended on support from at least a few Democrats to push through many of his major initiatives.

Mr. Bush is already facing troubles on many fronts, including his nomination of Harriet E. Miers to the Supreme Court. A deepening of his political woes could undermine support for other contentious aspects of his agenda, including his education policy and his push to make his tax cuts permanent, Mr. Thurber said.

Asked on CBS's "Face the Nation" whether the leak investigation was a distraction that had led to bad decisions at the White House, Newt Gingrich, the former Republican House speaker, replied: "I don't know if it led to bad decisions. But no one who has ever been through this pressure cooker would say to you it doesn't drain energy, that it doesn't drain time and effort."

www.nytimes.com (emphasis and comments supplied)

dissention
10-23-2005, 08:01 PM
They're toast.

Merry Fitzmas!

strandinthewind
10-23-2005, 08:02 PM
They're toast.

Merry Fitzmas!

Did you see Chris Matthews this morning - All of the panelists were so confident that they were even discussing the rumors o plenty on the Hill.

Also and interestingly, what ever happened to Tim Russert? He seems to be missing since last year?

dissention
10-23-2005, 08:04 PM
Did you see Chris Matthews this morning - All of the panelists were so confident that they were even discussing the rumors o plenty on the Hill.

I avoid Tweety like the plague. I've no desire to watch journalists who are involved in this case reporting on this case. That means you Tweety, Andrea, and Tim.

Plus, he bugs the **** out of me.

Also and interestingly, what ever happened to Tim Russert? He seems to be missing since last year?

He's still shilling his brains out on Meet the Press every Sunday. :shrug:

strandinthewind
10-23-2005, 08:13 PM
^^^

Cool - I used to like Tim and Chris, but am over them. I really like Cokie Roberts, but she seems not to on as much lately, though I see her every now and then.

gldstwmn
10-23-2005, 09:53 PM
Oh, I am waiting...

dissention
10-23-2005, 10:18 PM
^^^

Cool - I used to like Tim and Chris, but am over them. I really like Cokie Roberts, but she seems not to on as much lately, though I see her every now and then.

Did you read Maureen Dowd's latest piece? She calls Miller "the Fourth Estate's Becky Sharp." I choked on my spit from laughing so hard at that one.

gldstwmn
10-23-2005, 10:31 PM
Did you read Maureen Dowd's latest piece? She calls Miller "the Fourth Estate's Becky Sharp." I choked on my spit from laughing so hard at that one.

Gawd, I hope they fire Miller.

dissention
10-23-2005, 10:33 PM
Gawd, I hope they fire Miller.

I fecking hope so. But even if they do, we'll have to endure her once more when her ****ty book comes out. Hopefully it sinks like Jayson Blair's, though.

gldstwmn
10-23-2005, 11:20 PM
I fecking hope so. But even if they do, we'll have to endure her once more when her ****ty book comes out. Hopefully it sinks like Jayson Blair's, though.

How about Kay Bailey Hutchinson calling perjury a technicality?:lol: they're just plain getting desperate now.

dissention
10-23-2005, 11:25 PM
How about Kay Bailey Hutchinson calling perjury a technicality?:lol: they're just plain getting desperate now.

Would she say that about Clinton? :lol:

gldstwmn
10-23-2005, 11:29 PM
Would she say that about Clinton? :lol:

Touche'. This waiting is killing me.

dissention
10-23-2005, 11:32 PM
Touche'. This waiting is killing me.

It's killing me, too. But it will be this week! I will bet my car on it. :xoxo:

Until it happens, though, we can take comfort in his poll numbers (and all of the "opining" of the American people :laugh: ). Sam on The Majority Report read one on Friday that had him at 37 percent.

gldstwmn
10-23-2005, 11:35 PM
It's killing me, too. But it will be this week! I will bet my car on it. :xoxo:

Until it happens, though, we can take comfort in his poll numbers (and all of the "opining" of the American people :laugh: ). Sam on The Majority Report read one on Friday that had him at 37 percent.

I wonder how low Nixon's actually went. I read MoDo's fab column by the was. I guess Judy's going to wind up on unemployment after all.:lol:

strandinthewind
10-24-2005, 12:49 PM
Did you read Maureen Dowd's latest piece? She calls Miller "the Fourth Estate's Becky Sharp." I choked on my spit from laughing so hard at that one.

Reese Witherspoon would NEVER play her :laugh:

SuzeQuze
10-24-2005, 01:00 PM
How about Kay Bailey Hutchinson calling perjury a technicality?:lol: they're just plain getting desperate now.

Omigod, did you hear Al today? He pointed out that during the Clinton perjury issue she did a monologue on how important it is to tell the truth on the stand. :rolleyes:

Merry Fitzmas! Merry Fitzmas!
He's indicting everyone this year

strandinthewind
10-24-2005, 01:02 PM
Omigod, did you hear Al today? He pointed out that during the Clinton perjury issue she did a monologue on how important it is to tell the truth on the stand. :rolleyes:

Merry Fitzmas! Merry Fitzmas!
He's indicting everyone this year

She is a toll but

1. She gave La Nicks a flag for her patriotism

and

2. She sure can wear the FU*K out of a Chanel suit with spectators- sheebus.

SuzeQuze
10-24-2005, 01:04 PM
She is a toll but

1. She gave La Nicks a flag for her patriotism

and

2. She sure can wear the FU*K out of a Chanel suit with spectators- sheebus.

On #1, cool. #2, this woman? http://hutchison.senate.gov/photos.htm You're losing it.

strandinthewind
10-24-2005, 01:06 PM
On #1, cool. #2, this woman? http://hutchison.senate.gov/photos.htm You're losing it.

LOL - those suits are similar to the ones my grandmother used to wear, so I am fond of them.

SuzeQuze
10-24-2005, 01:10 PM
LOL - those suits are similar to the ones my grandmother used to wear, so I am fond of them.

Ohhhh, gotcha. :laugh: That's sweet.

By the way, the above song is to the tune of The Waitresses "Christmas Wrap".

Merry Fitzmas! Merry Fitzmas!
He's indicting everyone this year.

Sorry, it's the little things for me, really. :o

strandinthewind
10-24-2005, 01:13 PM
I have heard no gossip on this and I usually hear gossip in the legal circles.

Oooooooo - the waiting is the HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRDEST part :mad:

strandinthewind
10-24-2005, 01:15 PM
Lawmakers Discuss CIA Leak Distractions

Sunday, October 23, 2005



WASHINGTON — A Republican senator said Sunday that it would be appropriate for any White House aide to step aside if indicted in the CIA leak investigation.

President Bush was urged by a Senate Democrat to make clear whether a White House adviser under indictment would remain on the job.

The grand jury that has investigated the disclosure of CIA officer Valerie Plame's (search) identity for the past two years is set to expire on Friday.

Top presidential political adviser Karl Rove (search) and Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby (search), have emerged as central figures in the probe because they had contacts with reporters who learned Plame's identity or disclosed it in news stories.

Asked whether Rove or Libby should step down in the event of an indictment, Sen. George Allen (search), R-Va., said: "I think they should step down. I do think that's appropriate ... if they're in the midst of an indictment."

Allen added, "Let's see what happens rather than get into all this speculation and so forth."

Officials at the White House have refused to say whether Bush would allow someone who has been indicted to remain on the job, saying that question relates to the ongoing investigation that they won't discuss. Bush initially pledged to fire anyone who leaked Plame's identity but later changed the standard by promising to fire anyone who is found to have committed a crime.

Appearing with Allen on NBC's "Meet the Press," Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said Bush should clarify his policy on the status of any White House official under indictment.

"I think it would be very, very advisable for the president to say, 'Here is what my standard will be in terms of whether these people will remain in their positions should they be indicted,"' Schumer said.

Doing so before any decision by the special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, would be helpful "so no one thinks that what the president does is aimed at a particular person, whether it be a secretary or the top people in the White House," Schumer said.

Fitzgerald began his investigation to determine whether presidential aides violated a law prohibiting the intentional disclosure of covert CIA officers and had tried to out Plame to punish her husband, Joseph Wilson, for his criticism of the administration, undercut the credibility of his allegations or silence similar critics.

Wilson had gone public with accusations that the administration had twisted prewar intelligence on Iraq to exaggerate the threat it posed.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, urged people to see what, if any, charges result from the probe. "Let's tone down the rhetoric, and let's make sure that if there are indictments, that we don't prejudge," she said.

Should the case produce indictments inside the White House, "I think it would be extremely damaging," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.

"It would be, no matter whether it was a Democrat or Republican administration. ... It brings a whole lot of things to a halt," Leahy told "FOX News Sunday."

Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., also mentioned the damage that charges would bring and said Republicans must "continue to move forward a solid agenda."

Brownback said "these other issues -- they're going to take on a life of their own. And they need to be followed through the legal system."

www.foxnews.com

dissention
10-24-2005, 01:21 PM
On #1, cool. #2, this woman? http://hutchison.senate.gov/photos.htm You're losing it.

This photo is rich:

http://hutchison.senate.gov/astrodome1.jpg

Is she purposely trying to look like a rich bitch? Not even Shrub was dumb enough to go down there in his finest suits.

SuzeQuze
10-24-2005, 01:23 PM
They'll probably get promoted. :rolleyes:

strandinthewind
10-24-2005, 01:28 PM
This photo is rich:

http://hutchison.senate.gov/astrodome1.jpg

Is she purposely trying to look like a rich bitch? Not even Shrub was dumb enough to go down there in his finest suits.

I never get that people have to dress down - but the public seems to think so. I loved that during World War II, some suggested Queen Elizabeth should be wearing dark clothing instead of her usual pastels as she toured bomb damaged neighborhoods. "They would wear their best dresses if they were coming to see me," she replied.

Also, when invasion seemed imminent and bombs pounded cities around the country, she refused to take refuge in Canada, saying: "The children could not go without me, and I could not possibly leave the king," she said. Instead, she practiced with a .303 rifle in the palace grounds and When German bombs hit Buckingham Palace, she said, "I'm glad we've been bombed. It makes me feel I can look the East End in the face."

They really do not make them like her anymore and that is sad. Her life is noted here for any interested http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/03/30/queen-bio.htm