Cut all PBS funding, Republicans urge

[catinthedark]

Why does this so not surprise me?

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/10/20/Arts/artscuts_051020.html

There is a new call from Republican circles to pull all federal funding to PBS and the National Endowment for the Arts.

As the White House scrambles to find ways to pay for an expensive war in Iraq and the rebuilding of New Orleans, public broadcasting is once again being offered up as an expense the American public can possibly do without.

PBS television and radio receives $400 million US annually in federal support.

The Republican Study Committee, a conservative group within the caucus, recommended on Wednesday that it all be cut.

The U.S. deficit for 2005 has been projected to hit $314 billion and another $200 billion might be necessary to rebuild New Orleans and other Katrina-hit areas.

The Republican group is seeking ways to cut spending by $102 billion this year.

The National Endowment for the Arts, which subsidizes ballet companies, opera and the visual arts also is being targeted.

It hands out $125 million a year in government money and a growing number of Republicans are talking about killing it.

One report says that the endowment often ends up funding artists who are doing work that is questionable in its value and appropriateness.

The endowment amended its funding policies over the past nine years to promote more traditional arts, after an earlier attempt to cut all its funding.

Congress overruled a proposal made by a House committee in June to cut all government funding to PBS over a four-year period. However, support for shows such as Sesame Street and Masterpiece Theatre has been reduced.


RELATED STORY: Proposed funding cuts provoke PBS protest

PBS is currently 85 per cent supported by other sources, mainly subscribers.

Republicans have criticized the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which operates PBS, for "liberal bias" in its programming.

"Eliminating the federal share of CPB funding would free up $400 million this year," said Gov. Haley Barbour, a Mississippi Republican who needs to build schools in hurricane areas. "That is enough money to build 40 elementary schools."

A spending bill currently before the Congress and Senate is proposing cuts to programs for middle- and low-income people, including Medicaid and a plan to cover heating costs this winter.

Brad Woodhouse, spokesman for the Emergency Campaign for America's Priorities, a group that opposes budget cuts, said the effort has nothing to do with Katrina and everything to do with Republican efforts to salvage tax cuts enacted by President Bush.

[DavidMn]

This is ridiculous. How can I watch Boobah now?:laugh:

[estranged4life]

at all if ya ask me.

Cause Sesame Street to not be broadcast and I will personally drive my nuclear bomb equipped Ryder Truck to the GOP HQ and I will singlehandedly take 'em completely out of the picture and collective minds of the world...

Ya dont f**k with the Cookie Monster & company.

[LuckyCharms]

Uh oh Cat, they must have seen our fueled complaints over at Seven Wonders! :lol:
That's right PBS, give everyone their Lindsey Soundstage and turn Snuffelupagus invisible again, then maybe we'll talk!!

I thought all their funding came from veiwers like us? Shows how much I know. They must be able to figure out something? I just can't see PBS being wiped out.

[DavidMn]

Uh oh Cat, they must have seen our fueled complaints over at Seven Wonders! :lol:
That's right PBS, give everyone their Lindsey Soundstage and turn Snuffelupagus invisible again, then maybe we'll talk!!

I thought all their funding came from veiwers like us? Shows how much I know. They must be able to figure out something? I just can't see PBS being wiped out.good bargaining poly. Loved it!:lol:

[David]

I think Congress should stop funding PBS, which generally sucks, & start funding TCM, which is virtually the only channel on TV worth watching.

[David]

at all if ya ask me.

Cause Sesame Street to not be broadcast and I will personally drive my nuclear bomb equipped Ryder Truck to the GOP HQ and I will singlehandedly take 'em completely out of the picture and collective minds of the world...

Ya dont f**k with the Cookie Monster & company.Cept for Sesame Street, which has always rocked. I was watching the Street back when Mobity Mosely was rapping -- we're talking mid 1970s.

[xxxmx]

how about closing up a few loopholes first. stop giving tax credits to people who buy hummers and escalades. stop giving senators + such pay raises when no one else gets them. stop paying for politicians to do everything for free. i am sick of rich people getting free rides when they can easily afford to provide for themselves. i will rant and rave until my face turns blue with judgment. bleh. and don't take it out on PBS, they're not alone in hating the current administration.

[xxxmx]

and Mr. Rogers would roll over in his grave if they did that.

[catinthedark]

Cept for Sesame Street, which has always rocked. I was watching the Street back when Mobity Mosely was rapping -- we're talking mid 1970s.

Wait a minute wait a minute!!! Who is Mobity Mosely??? :laugh: I started watching Sesame Street in about 1972... and watched, likely, through at least 1985, thanks to a little sister and babysitting. I have never heard of this character. Was he a muppet?

PS Mr. Snuffleupagus was the best. All the imaginary friends of the world mourn your loss from the other side.

[estranged4life]

Mr. Snuffleupagus was the best. All the imaginary friends of the world mourn your loss from the other side.

Snuffleupagus acted like a strung-out/burned-out heroin head, "Hi Biiirddddd" :rolleyes:

Hell, I still occassionally watch Sesame Street...I can remember watching it as far back as my memory goes.

[David]

Wait a minute wait a minute!!! Who is Mobity Mosely??? :laugh: I started watching Sesame Street in about 1972... and watched, likely, through at least 1985, thanks to a little sister and babysitting. I have never heard of this character. Was he a muppet? Oh maaaaaaaan........
Mobity Mosely was all that!!!! Ain't you down in the street witcha Mobity Mosely? And his sister, Mary Frances Franklin?

I'm singing the Mobity Mosely theme song right now!!

[catinthedark]

Oh, I feel so lame and uncool. :lol:

So uncool, that I actually GOOGLED Mobity Mosely. :o Turns out he starred circa 1971. I was a mere infant. But I'd love to see a picture of him. No pics that I could find on the web.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's about time someone in the Republican Party, besides me and other right-wingers, actively vied to do away with the endowment of the arts...but of course to democrats that somehow means we hate the arts...which isn't true.

[dissention]

It's about time someone in the Republican Party, besides me and other right-wingers, actively vied to do away with the endowment of the arts...but of course to democrats that somehow means we hate the arts...which isn't true.

No, you just hate the art that you don't approve of or runs contrary to your views, as if your disapproval somehow lessens its value as art.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, you just hate the art that you don't approve of or runs contrary to your views, as if your disapproval somehow lessens its value as art.

No, I just think there are other ways to fund these things. I am a singer/songwriter who is passionate about music, so I don't think it really has anything to do with "art". I want to get rid of the department of education too...it doesn't mean I hate teachers!

And...btw...you are correct about one thing. I REALLY don't want my tax money going to something that promotes art depicting a crucifix submerged in urine.

[irishgrl]

No, I just think there are other ways to fund these things. I am a singer/songwriter who is passionate about music, so I don't think it really has anything to do with "art". I want to get rid of the department of education too...it doesn't mean I hate teachers!

And...btw...you are correct about one thing. I REALLY don't want my tax money going to something that promotes art depicting a crucifix submerged in urine.
Thats because you're a Catholic and you worship idols. truly, the Catholics imbue holy attributes to relics and whatnot. Which, if you strictly interpret the Commandments, is against God's law. The Golden Calf, the holy relics, and even "The Pope" are examples of endowing other items/people with holy power. Its actually an abomination in God's eyes......

As for Art, it is a highly subjective arena....I myself dont care for Picasso, but many do, so I say to them, carry on! Me, I'll look at Peter Max or Erte or something else :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thats because you're a Catholic and you worship idols. truly, the Catholics imbue holy attributes to relics and whatnot. Which, if you strictly interpret the Commandments, is against God's law. The Golden Calf, the holy relics, and even "The Pope" are examples of endowing other items/people with holy power. Its actually an abomination in God's eyes......

Where the hell did that come from! :lol: Which by the way none of that is true. Catholic apologetics is one of my specialties...so please lets not get on that topic!

As for Art, it is a highly subjective arena....I myself dont care for Picasso, but many do, so I say to them, carry on! Me, I'll look at Peter Max or Erte or something else :)

Goodbye to the National Endowment of the Arts...or heres hoping anyways!

[skcin]

I don't know why this doesn't bother me that much. :shrug: I guess I'd like to think that gtovernment money would be better spent on helping the poor & lower-middle class in our country rather than on TV. People can live without TV, but they can't live without food & shelter.

[irishgrl]

Where the hell did that come from! :lol: Which by the way none of that is true. Catholic apologetics is one of my specialties...so please lets not get on that topic!



Goodbye to the National Endowment of the Arts...or heres hoping anyways!

Look: not to pick on Catholics, but it is a FACT that Catholics venerate relics and the pope, and as far as the 10 commandments go, thats a no no.
I dont care WHAT your specialty is, you cant deny that Catholics are guilty (in toto) of ignoring God's number one commandment. not only that, but Martin Luther nailed it on the HEAD when he railed against the Catholic Church for selling dispensations. The Catholic Church is RIFE with examples of making their own rules.

As for the National Endowment for the Arts....Im not sure why you are against funding it. Much better to fund something that enriches us as a society than to fund a bogus war, or to give tax breaks to corporations who dont give a rats ass about their workers......

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Look: not to pick on Catholics, but it is a FACT that Catholics venerate relics and the pope, and as far as the 10 commandments go, thats a no no.
I dont care WHAT your specialty is, you cant deny that Catholics are guilty (in toto) of ignoring God's number one commandment. not only that, but Martin Luther nailed it on the HEAD when he railed against the Catholic Church for selling dispensations. The Catholic Church is RIFE with examples of making their own rules.

Veneration is different than Worship. And if you think that Catholics are venerating a STATUE (relics, yes)...I'm sorry but you are a very jaded individual, and show your lack of understand deep, spiritual Catholic faith!

The first commandment (Hope you are talking about the Catholic/Lutheran 10 Commandments...because the protestant 10 commandments have this one listed as #2!) says a big "no no" to not worshiping Idols and also to putting any other gods before Yahweh God!

We don't worship idols, and I don't think we have any other god that we "eat the body and drink the flesh of" every Sunday at mass...so.

As for the National Endowment for the Arts....Im not sure why you are against funding it. Much better to fund something that enriches us as a society than to fund a bogus war, or to give tax breaks to corporations who dont give a rats ass about their workers......

Don't get me started on that either...there are LOTS of departments that I wish would just disappear!

[irishgrl]

Veneration is different than Worship. And if you think that Catholics are venerating a STATUE (relics, yes)...I'm sorry but you are a very jaded individual, and show your lack of understand deep, spiritual Catholic faith!

The first commandment (Hope you are talking about the Catholic/Lutheran 10 Commandments...because the protestant 10 commandments have this one listed as #2!) says a big "no no" to not worshiping Idols and also to putting any other gods before Yahweh God!

We don't worship idols, and I don't think we have any other god that we "eat the body and drink the flesh of" every Sunday at mass...so.



Don't get me started on that either...there are LOTS of departments that I wish would just disappear!

once again you expose your ineptitude my friend :)

Venerate comes from Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, "to revere, to respect, to worship," from venus, vener-, "charm, loveliness."

and I might add Mother Mary to the list of personages that the Catholics venerate (worship!) just admit defeat! I'll go easier on you! maybe!

by the way, I wasnt aware that there were two versions of the ten commandments...but after doing a bit of research I found this:

Although the Ten Commandments in the Douay Rheims Bible and King James Version of the Bible are the most well-known in the English-speaking world, they do not conform to today's usage: "Thou shalt not kill" instead of "You shall not murder."

Different groups have divided the commandments in different ways. For instance, Catholics and Lutherans see the first six verses as part of the same command prohibiting the worship of pagan gods, while Protestants (except Lutherans) separate all six verses into two different commands (one being "no other gods" and the other being "no graven images"). The initial reference to Egyptian bondage is important enough to Jews that it forms a separate commandment. Catholics and Lutherans separate the two kinds of coveting (namely, of goods and of the flesh), while Protestants (but not Lutherans) and Jews group them together.

A very similar, but not completely identical, list of commandments is found in Deuteronomy 5:1-22. Reference to each of the commandments and the consequences for not following them as a part of Hebrew Law are found throughout this book. In the New Testament book of Matthew 19 and elsewhere, Jesus refers to the commandments, but condenses them into two general commands: love God (Shema) and love other people (Ethic of reciprocity) (Matthew 22.34-40).

Actually you are mistaken about one thing: it is in the Rabbinic "Ten Statements" that "You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." appears, NOT The Protestant version....
Wikipedia says this:
Although the Ten Commandments in the Douay Rheims Bible and King James Version of the Bible are the most well-known in the English-speaking world, they do not conform to today's usage: "Thou shalt not kill" instead of "You shall not murder."

Different groups have divided the commandments in different ways. For instance, Catholics and Lutherans see the first six verses as part of the same command prohibiting the worship of pagan gods, while Protestants (except Lutherans) separate all six verses into two different commands (one being "no other gods" and the other being "no graven images"). The initial reference to Egyptian bondage is important enough to Jews that it forms a separate commandment. Catholics and Lutherans separate the two kinds of coveting (namely, of goods and of the flesh), while Protestants (but not Lutherans) and Jews group them together.

A very similar, but not completely identical, list of commandments is found in Deuteronomy 5:1-22. Reference to each of the commandments and the consequences for not following them as a part of Hebrew Law are found throughout this book. In the New Testament book of Matthew 19 and elsewhere, Jesus refers to the commandments, but condenses them into two general commands: love God (Shema) and love other people (Ethic of reciprocity) (Matthew 22.34-40).
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and actually, Im getting a headache...at any rate, none of this discussion absolves the Catholics of WORSHIPPING the POPE or MOTHER MARY or THE HOLY RELICS (whatever they might be......)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

once again you expose your ineptitude my friend :)

:rolleyes:

and I might add Mother Mary to the list of personages that the Catholics venerate (worship!) just admit defeat! I'll go easier on you! maybe!

Latria, Hyperdulia, Dulia & Simple Honor - Look them up Biotch! :laugh: :xoxo:

I'm not even going to bother getting into this with you, if all the Catholics of the world could look at your SILLY argument(s) (especially the Mary one) they would all laugh so damn hard we'd all go deaf! We have heard this crap for years dear, you'd think they'd find something else to throw our way...something new!

Since the days of the apostles, the Catholic Church has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry. The early Church Fathers warn against this sin, and Church councils also dealt with the issue.

The Second Council of Nicaea (787), which dealt largely with the question of the religious use of images and icons, said, "[T]he one who redeemed us from the darkness of idolatrous insanity, Christ our God, when he took for his bride his holy Catholic Church . . . promised he would guard her and assured his holy disciples saying, ‘I am with you every day until the consummation of this age.’ . . . To this gracious offer some people paid no attention; being hoodwinked by the treacherous foe they abandoned the true line of reasoning . . . and they failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the icons of our Lord and of his saints were no different from the wooden images of satanic idols."

The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed "by worshipping idols and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in them" (374).

"Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God’" (CCC 2114).

The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the sin of idolatry. What anti-Catholics fail to recognize is the distinction between thinking a piece of stone or plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember Christ and the saints in heaven by making statues in their honor. The making and use of religious statues is a thoroughly biblical practice. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know his Bible.
catholic.com

[SteveMacD]

Where the hell did that come from!
HELLO...Her name is "Irishgrl" If you were EDUCATED, you'd probably pick up on the fact that there's been a WAR in the British Isles (specifically North IRELAND) between Protestants and Catholics for quite some time. Okay, so they're not calling it a war, but there sure have been a lot of people who ended up with tags on their toes over the years. So, let's not cut the Department of Education just yet.

Which reminds me. Am I the only one who finds it odd that Southern Baptists hate it when people protest the war? Hello!!! You're PROTESTant. You're whole religious ideology started by a PROTEST. It's IN your NAME! Where's the consistancy. Southern Baptists against protesters is like saying Burger King against cows!

As for PBS, I'm glad they waited until AFTER Lindsey Buckingham's Soundstage aired before talking about funding (this is a FLEETWOOD MAC board, after all).

[irishgrl]

:rolleyes:



Latria, Hyperdulia, Dulia & Simple Honor - Look them up Biotch! :laugh: :xoxo:

I'm not even going to bother getting into this with you, if all the Catholics of the world could look at your SILLY argument(s) (especially the Mary one) they would all laugh so damn hard we'd all go deaf! We have heard this crap for years dear, you'd think they'd find something else to throw our way...something new!
ah but the Catholics are the supreme hypocrites! they invade an area, hijack the local holidays and customs, give them pseudo "holy" names/functions and voila! its all good! All the while deluding themselves into thinking they've actually made a religious conquest! Do you wonder why the Da Vinci Code has worried the Catholic Church so much? or the Illuminati? Because the Church knows its foundations are nothing more than smoke and mirrors originally supported by the might of the Roman Army! you can SCOFF all you want but the Catholic Church is the epitome of hypocricy. And, Nostradamus predicted its downfall (in our times I believe)
Ever wonder why the Catholic Church had such a problem with Mary Magdalen? No of course you didnt! you're content with your heresy. Good for you.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

HELLO...Her name is "Irishgrl" If you were EDUCATED, you'd probably pick up on the fact that there's been a WAR in the British Isles (specifically North IRELAND) between Protestants and Catholics for quite some time. Okay, so they're not calling it a war, but there sure have been a lot of people who ended up with tags on their toes over the years. So, let's not cut the Department of Education just yet.

You are correct in saying it is not a war...but I was aware of it. I just didn't except to get "Catholics worship idols" speech thrown at me.

Which reminds me. Am I the only one who finds it odd that Southern Baptists hate it when people protest the war? Hello!!! You're PROTESTant. You're whole religious ideology started by a PROTEST. It's IN your NAME! Where's the consistancy. Southern Baptists against protesters is like saying Burger King against cows!

As for PBS, I'm glad they waited until AFTER Lindsey Buckingham's Soundstage aired before talking about funding (this is a FLEETWOOD MAC board, after all).

It's not un-patriotic or un-American to oppose the war. Even Ann will tell you that. But if you oppose it...BECAUSE the UN or France doesn't agree, then that is not the right reasons!

consistancy

Oh yea, and I agree...maybe we shouldn't cut the department of education yet...at least until you learn how to correctly spell this word. (tit for tat...sorry)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Nostradamus predicted its downfall

I like you, but you just lost all of your credibility to even talk about this, as far as I am concerned.

[irishgrl]

HELLO...Her name is "Irishgrl" If you were EDUCATED, you'd probably pick up on the fact that there's been a WAR in the British Isles (specifically North IRELAND) between Protestants and Catholics for quite some time. Okay, so they're not calling it a war, but there sure have been a lot of people who ended up with tags on their toes over the years. So, let's not cut the Department of Education just yet.

Which reminds me. Am I the only one who finds it odd that Southern Baptists hate it when people protest the war? Hello!!! You're PROTESTant. You're whole religious ideology started by a PROTEST. It's IN your NAME! Where's the consistancy. Southern Baptists against protesters is like saying Burger King against cows!

As for PBS, I'm glad they waited until AFTER Lindsey Buckingham's Soundstage aired before talking about funding (this is a FLEETWOOD MAC board, after all).


ok. just to clarify: I sympathize with the Catholics in Ireland, I think the English need to get OUT. But my arguments with Brwn_eyes arent about Ireland's troubles (Protestant vs. Catholic) The Protestants were an offshoot of Catholicism started by Martin Luther (the Reformation) and they actually share many customs such as the eucharist. The Church of England is a different story, started by Henry VIII in protest because the Pope wouldnt grant him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon. (Henry was Catholic until that time)
at any rate, my whole point was to highlight Brwn_eye's hypocricy about the comment deploring crosses in urine....I just wanted to point out that a cross is only a cross, and unless you imbue it with meaning (veneration) you cant desecrate it.

[sparky]

This headline brought the following line to my mind immediately :

Someone with a REALLY GOOD aim take a subautomatic weapon to the next meeting of The Republican Study Committee, Sparky urges.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

ok. just to clarify: I sympathize with the Catholics in Ireland, I think the English need to get OUT. But my arguments with Brwn_eyes arent about Ireland's troubles (Protestant vs. Catholic) The Protestants were an offshoot of Catholicism started by Martin Luther (the Reformation) and they actually share many customs such as the eucharist. The Church of England is a different story, started by Henry VIII in protest because the Pope wouldnt grant him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon. (Henry was Catholic until that time)
at any rate, my whole point was to highlight Brwn_eye's hypocricy about the comment deploring crosses in urine....I just wanted to point out that a cross is only a cross, and unless you imbue it with meaning (veneration) you cant desecrate it.

I sure don't want my tax dollars going to such government funded crap!

[dissention]

I sure don't want my tax dollars going to such government funded crap!

With all due respect, tough ****. I don't want my tax dollars funding faith-based initiatives, but there's nothing I can do about it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

This headline brought the following line to my mind immediately :

Someone with a REALLY GOOD aim take a subautomatic weapon to the next meeting of The Republican Study Committee, Sparky urges.

Because of what...if this happened you could POSSIBLY get more of the income you work so hard for?!? And btw. I love how you promote violence if it suits your needs! (I know it was just a joke. :xoxo: at least I hope!)

[irishgrl]

I like you, but you just lost all of your credibility to even talk about this, as far as I am concerned.
why? isnt the Bible full of prophets? I happen to believe in psychic abilities.


btw: I like you too, as far as that goes, but for you to say I lost credibility is ironic to say the least. I consider myself pretty well read, and I dont just stick to one topic. I can support my position with primary sources (like the definition of veneration for example) whereas you rely on opinion pieces.

As I said in the beginning, this wasnt meant to pick on Catholics per se, but to point out the obvious inconsistencies with the Catholic postions and actions.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

With all due respect, tough ****. I don't want my tax dollars funding faith-based initiatives, but there's nothing I can do about it.

Join the Libertarian party damn it! :laugh: . I'm thinking about it if we can't get Bush impeached or something doesn't change within the Republican party/or the current administration soon. I'm so aggravated with my party right now! :mad: Or who knows...might just be an independent.

If I hear Ann jumps ship...I know for a fact that I will follow.

But seriously, the real conservatives have to stay and fight for their party and that is what I plan to do!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

why? isnt the Bible full of prophets? I happen to believe in psychic abilities.


btw: I like you too, as far as that goes, but for you to say I lost credibility is ironic to say the least. I consider myself pretty well read, and I dont just stick to one topic. I can support my position with primary sources (like the definition of veneration for example) whereas you rely on opinion pieces.

As I said in the beginning, this wasnt meant to pick on Catholics per se, but to point out the obvious inconsistencies with the Catholic postions and actions.

Hey I didn't give you a damn opinion piece!

[irishgrl]

Hey I didn't give you a damn opinion piece!
Generally you do. but in the name of bonhomie, lets shake hands and agree to disagree.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Generally you do. but in the name of bonhomie, lets shake hands and agree to disagree.
:mad:



fine.....





:cool: :lol:

[SteveMacD]

You are correct in saying it is not a war...but I was aware of it. I just didn't except to get "Catholics worship idols" speech thrown at me.
Well, really, who does EXCEPT to get that thrown at them? (I might not spell it right, but at least I use the right word.) All I'm saying is that you should really think things out a bit more.

(Maybe that's why I have an issue with people who are too ideologic, regardless of leanings. If you let ideology be a crutch to get out of thinking things out for yourself, then man YOU ARE SCREWED! And, you're ESPECIALLY screwed if you live and die by the words of Ann Coulter.)
It's not un-patriotic or un-American to oppose the war. Even Ann will tell you that. But if you oppose it...BECAUSE the UN or France doesn't agree, then that is not the right reasons!
And, from what you've said in the past, people shouldn't protest the war (or Shrub) if, say, their son was actually KILLED in the war. Because, hey, she got a souvenir flag and a free funeral, what more could she possibly want, eh? Mothers of dead soldiers are just NEVER satisfied.
Oh yea, and I agree...maybe we shouldn't cut the department of education yet...at least until you learn how to correctly spell this word. (tit for tat...sorry)
All is fair, though I have NEVER claimed to be a good speller, it's late, and I worked a full day (week). But, if we're going to be picky, it's "Department of Education." You should capitalize letters when talking about specific departments.

[Moony]

As I said in the beginning, this wasnt meant to pick on Catholics per se, but to point out the obvious inconsistencies with the Catholic postions and actions.
I think you made pretty good points. As someone who was raised Catholic and attended (read: was forced to attend) Catechism for 8 miserable years, I'd say the notion of Catholics worshipping Mary and other such persons is pretty valid.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

[quote]And, from what you've said in the past, people shouldn't protest the war (or Shrub) if, say, their son was actually KILLED in the war. Because, hey, she got a souvenir flag and a free funeral, what more could she possibly want, eh? Mothers of dead soldiers are just NEVER satified.

If you are talking about "the loon"...well she is a mouthpiece for the left so...But others, sure why not...as long as their grief isn't driving them to oppose.

All is fair, though I have NEVER claimed to be a good speller, it's late, and I worked a full day (week). But, if we're going to be picky, it's "Department of Education." You should capitalize letters when talking about specific departments.

:xoxo: good one.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think you made pretty good points. As someone who was raised Catholic and attended (read: was forced to attend) Catechism for 8 miserable years, I'd say the notion of Catholics worshipping Mary and other such persons is pretty valid.

Then you don't "get it"...but allowed to believe so if you wish. :nod:

[Moony]

Then you don't "get it"...but allowed to believe so if you wish. :nod:
Maybe I get it, and you don't? :laugh: Yeah, not trying to change anyone's mind, agreeing with irishgirl

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Maybe I get it, and you don't? :laugh: Yeah, not trying to change anyone's mind, agreeing with irishgirl
:laugh: fine. :cool:

[SteveMacD]

I sure don't want my tax dollars going to such government funded crap!
Hey, I'm not thrilled that my tax dollars are going to be used to bail out the Big Three (AGAIN). There have been significant increases in fuel prices and Detroit continues making gas guzzling vehicles, while the Japanese are building extremely fuel efficient vehicles. Gee, are we talking about 1978 or 2005? There are waiting lists for Toyotas and Hondas, while the Big Three had to offer employee pricing to still fall short of sales projections. While I, like many others, am extremely pissed that the suits in Detroit never seem to learn and continue getting chased around with their tails between their legs, I also have to accept that those jobs, and the jobs that spin off from those jobs are a major force in our economy. In other words, you do what's right for the society.

[irishgrl]

I think you made pretty good points. As someone who was raised Catholic and attended (read: was forced to attend) Catechism for 8 miserable years, I'd say the notion of Catholics worshipping Mary and other such persons is pretty valid.

Thank you Moony.

BTW, my Mother went to Catholic boarding school and learned a LOT about the various Saints and such...Many of the men of the Church are Godly men and served in the highest sense. I am not picking on them or on the positive things the Church offers. I hope you know that. I hope all Ledgie Catholics know that.
There is much beauty in the Church, and it should be acknowledged and I DO.

[dissention]

But seriously, the real conservatives have to stay and fight for their party and that is what I plan to do!

But you are aware that you and Ann are not true conservatives; that you're the extreme right-wing that infiltrated the party with the rise of Reagan, right?

[irishgrl]

Well, really, who does EXCEPT to get that thrown at them? (I might not spell it right, but at least I use the right word.) All I'm saying is that you should really think things out a bit more.

(Maybe that's why I have an issue with people who are too ideologic, regardless of leanings. If you let ideology be a crutch to get out of thinking things out for yourself, then man YOU ARE SCREWED! And, you're ESPECIALLY screwed if you live and die by the words of Ann Coulter.)

And, from what you've said in the past, people shouldn't protest the war (or Shrub) if, say, their son was actually KILLED in the war. Because, hey, she got a souvenir flag and a free funeral, what more could she possibly want, eh? Mothers of dead soldiers are just NEVER satisfied.

All is fair, though I have NEVER claimed to be a good speller, it's late, and I worked a full day (week). But, if we're going to be picky, it's "Department of Education." You should capitalize letters when talking about specific departments.

:xoxo: :xoxo: I hope you get a good night's sleep.

[irishgrl]

But you are aware that you and Ann are not true conservatives; that you're the extreme right-wing that infiltrated the party with the rise of Reagan, right?
Josh, Im going to abduct you and we are going to have a chintz-free ride in a stretch limo with the music of YOUR CHOICE blaring from the speakers and YOUR FAVE food at hand. The drinks of course will be MY CHOICE which is only fair. :nod:

[dissention]

Josh, Im going to abduct you and we are going to have a chintz-free ride in a stretch limo with the music of YOUR CHOICE blaring from the speakers and YOUR FAVE food at hand. The drinks of course will be MY CHOICE which is only fair. :nod:

As long as the limo is black. My name is not Liberace, I don't do white.

[SteveMacD]

As long as the limo is black. My name is not Liberace, I don't do white.
Okay, now I'm going to be self-conscious when I'm driving my Pekinese mix in my white Toyota Matrix. Thanks diss. :mad:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thank you Moony.

BTW, my Mother went to Catholic boarding school and learned a LOT about the various Saints and such...Many of the men of the Church are Godly men and served in the highest sense. I am not picking on them or on the positive things the Church offers. I hope you know that. I hope all Ledgie Catholics know that.
There is much beauty in the Church, and it should be acknowledged and I DO.

Yea...he merits that kind of speech from you...AFTER we have it out! Gee...thanks! :(

[Brwn_eyes0511]

But you are aware that you and Ann are not true conservatives; that you're the extreme right-wing that infiltrated the party with the rise of Reagan, right?

Thank God for Reagan right!? He did bring that right-wing infrastructure into Washington. Young conservatives LOVED Reagan! (I of course was not born during his first administration...so I just speak from what I hear)...But I can say that young conservatives today love Reagan just as much! VIVA LA REAGAN!

[irishgrl]

Yea...he merits that kind of speech from you...AFTER we have it out! Gee...thanks! :(
come come now....I offered you an olive branch and you gave me a mad face..
so now you're hurt? Give me a BREAK!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

come come now....I offered you an olive branch and you gave me a mad face..
so now you're hurt? Give me a BREAK!
Of course I'm not hurt Ms. Caligula! But kind of frustrated that you just now post about the good things of the Church, when not one hour ago you were bashing like a fool...I just can't help wonder if that is only because you were talking with me!

btw...have you got your whip out yet?

[irishgrl]

Thank God for Reagan right!? He did bring that right-wing infrastructure into Washington. Young conservatives LOVED Reagan! (I of course was not born during his first administration...so I just speak from what I hear)...But I can say that young conservatives today love Reagan just as much! VIVA LA REAGAN!

Reagan was an addlepated, eejit. Nancy controlled all the action in THAT White House baby.....and Nancy was E.V.I.L. the original witch on a broomstick.
Reagan systematically undermined all social programs for the poor, the sick, the elderly, the veterans, the students........as soon as he got into the White House.........all while Nancy was busily spending at least $1000 a place setting to get rid of the "common" dishes the frugal Carters used. (now THERE'S an example of true grit, Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter) If ever there was an orchestrated effort to oust a Decent Democratic President, the rise of Reagan is IT.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Reagan was an addlepated, eejit. Nancy controlled all the action in THAT White House baby.....and Nancy was E.V.I.L. the original witch on a broomstick.
Reagan systematically undermined all social programs for the poor, the sick, the elderly, the veterans, the students........as soon as he got into the White House.........all while Nancy was busily spending at least $1000 a place setting to get rid of the "common" dishes the frugal Carters used. (now THERE'S an example of true grit, Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter) If ever there was an orchestrated effort to oust a Decent Democratic President, the rise of Reagan is IT.

Did I mention I love Reagan? :D :xoxo:

[irishgrl]

Of course I'm not hurt Ms. Caligula! But kind of frustrated that you just now post about the good things of the Church, when not one hour ago you were bashing like a fool...I just can't help wonder if that is only because you were talking with me!

btw...have you got your whip out yet?
No my dear, its not because I was talking with you, I told you I like you!
I tried from the very beginning to say I was not trying to pick on Catholics per se but just point out obvious inconsistencies......

btw: I dont "bash like a fool," I am not a fool. you may not agree with me but I guarantee you I am better informed than most people you will debate with. for one thing, I have about 20+ extra years of READING on you. so there.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

btw: I dont "bash like a fool," I am not a fool. you may not agree with me but I guarantee you I am better informed than most people you will debate with. for one thing, I have about 20+ extra years of READING on you. so there.

Well you do have me there! :D I didn't literally mean you were a "fool" btw. Just an expression.

I have got some reading to catch up on if I do say so.

[irishgrl]

Well you do have me there! :D I didn't literally mean you were a "fool" btw. Just an expression.

I have got some reading to catch up on if I do say so.

alright then! shake hands like a good boy and lets get along :) :nod:

[irishgrl]

As long as the limo is black. My name is not Liberace, I don't do white.
*snicker* what a snob! Of COURSE we wont do white if you dont want to you HIGH MAINTENANCE DIVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it can be pink with purple polka dots as far as Im concerned! Hell, we're gonna be on the INSIDE! what do we CARE what the outside looks like?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

alright then! shake hands like a good boy and lets get along :) :nod:

get the whip out and we will call it even! :laugh:

[irishgrl]

get the whip out and we will call it even! :laugh:

silly boy, you have ISSUES!:D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

silly boy, you have ISSUES!:D

Oh yea! you know it dear...:]

[irishgrl]

Oh yea! you know it dear...:]
alrighty then, check your PM's. Doofus.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

alrighty then, check your PM's. Doofus.

Ok Doofus...check yours! :)

[irishgrl]

Ok Doofus...check yours! :)
done. your turn.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

done. your turn.

so your turn now.

[irishgrl]

so your turn now.
your turn now :P


see ya later.......

[Brwn_eyes0511]

your turn now :P


see ya later.......

lol. night. or morning...you know what i mean.