Gift of Screws Survivor Rounds 1-3

[sodascouts]

Yep, we've run out of released albums, now it's Gift of Screws. This one's for the die-hards. Almost the end....

The Rules:

Please familiarize yourself with these rules because these are the standards
by which votes will be counted.

The way the hosts post: We will always post official results in the same manner
(+4 Red) and our goal is to make it easy for you guys to
follow what’s going on. So if you’re confused, look for our posts. We will
announce a) when the voting period has begun and ended b) who has immunity and
c) results.

VOTING:

- Voting periods begin AFTER immunity is assigned and ends at 6:00 EST
that night. Either rezamatic or I will post an official beginning and ending
announcement. If your votes are before or after those posts, then they do not
count. See below for how immunity works.

- When you vote, type 1) The round number and 2) the name of the song in your
subject line and ONLY that. We will tally the votes by the subject line, so
if it ain’t in the subject it doesn’t count!

- Votes can NOT be changed once they’re posted. We count your first vote and
that is all.

- If there is a tiebreaker, then ALL votes from ALL previous rounds are tallied
and whoever has the most prior votes is eliminated. That’s the way it’s done on
the real show, that’s the way it’s done here. If there is a complete tie with
prior votes (Murphy’s Law), then we’ll have a sudden-death immunity question
ready which will allow someone to make the call themselves between those two (or
more) songs.

IMMUNITY:

- After we tally the scores, we will announce the results and post an immunity
question/puzzle/etc. and await a response post. In order to be considered,
the answering post must contain both the following: 1) the correct answer and 2)
the choice for immunity. When we get that post, it will then be VERIFIED by
us in bright red letters confirming who has immunity this round. So again, if we
haven’t posted, nothing is official! Once we confirm immunity, the voting period
begins. There is no immunity question for Round 1; we'll start that on Round 2.

Thanks for playing and have a good time!

The songs for Gift of Screws survivor are:
Blue Turns to Grey
Deep Dense
Down on Rodeo
Gift of Screws
Given Thing
Gotta Get Away
I Am Waiting*
She Smiled Sweetly
Shuffle Riff
The Singer Not the Song
Steve’s Riff (Wear You Down)
Try for the Sun
Twist of Fate

*We feel Lindsey’s inclusion of this on his Soundstage without Fleetwood Mac
makes it a solo outtake as opposed to a Fleetwood Mac outtake.

Let the games begin!

ROUND 1 BEGINS NOW.

[sodascouts]

Given Thing. Sorry, Gerald, but he's incoherent. I just can't justify keeping it around.

[GateandGarden]

Well, I'm just going with Nancy. I haven't heard that one, as well as like, two other songs on that "album." So, I'll just trust her.

Of course Bobo has a point. But I despite how totally incoherent he is on "Try for the Sun," it's one of my favorites.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Where's SGCYM? That not considered Gift of Screws?

[mondaymornin1]

???????...............

[David]

Where's SGCYM? That not considered Gift of Screws?Lindsey certainly considered it part of Gift of Screws 2001 (as he did Miranda, Steal Your Heart Away, Red Rover, Come, Murrow, Bleed to Love Her, Say Goodbye & even Go Insane redux).

I had to vote off Down on Rodeo. I'm sorry, but I just hate it.

[Karlie]

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[LINDSEY#1FAN]

I like all of them !!! I enjoy Given Thing !!

[golden braid]

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[GateandGarden]

I had to vote off Down on Rodeo. I'm sorry, but I just hate it.Why? (!?!?!)

[GateandGarden]

Lindsey certainly considered it part of Gift of Screws 2001 (as he did Miranda, Steal Your Heart Away, Red Rover, Come, Murrow, Bleed to Love Her, Say Goodbye & even Go Insane redux).I didn't realize that until you and Curtis pointed it out. I don't understand why SGCYM isn't included. I figured that the others weren't because they're on SYW or elsewhere, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure I understand that, either.

[Miss Vicky]

I didn't realize that until you and Curtis pointed it out. I don't understand why SGCYM isn't included. I figured that the others weren't because they're on SYW or elsewhere, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure I understand that, either.


The only reason I can think of is because "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" was actually officially released but in a very limited form - on the GLAAD Awards CD if I recall correctly.

[Miss Vicky]

Haven't heard it. :shrug:

Haven't heard "Blue Turns to Grey" or "I am Waiting" either.

[GateandGarden]

The only reason I can think of is because "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" was actually officially released but in a very limited form - on the GLAAD Awards CD if I recall correctly.I didn't realize that.

[GypsySorcerer]

Haven't heard it, either.

[Red]

Love love love Given Thing. I know it won't last but I just can't bring myself to vote for it. Yet.

[CreepingDeath]

I've got my sights set on Blue Turns To Grey next.

[sodascouts]

Where's SGCYM? That not considered Gift of Screws?

It was released and therefore was categorized as a non-album track. If you remember, it did quite well in that Survivor. ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

It was released and therefore was categorized as a non-album track. If you remember, it did quite well in that Survivor. ;)

I don't even remember that Survivor! :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Good song title, though.

[Red]

I've got my sights set on Blue Turns To Grey next.

Noooooo, don't do it!
You gotta be kidding! The whisper/singing at the end is so sad and beautiful!!

[face of glass]

Out with the Stones covers first, they hardly add anything hugely different to the originals. And it isn't easy to judge "I Am Waiting" based on a mere snippet, methinks.

[Mari]

..................10

[John Run]

Can't Keep a song that I have never heard the complete studio version of.

[shackin'up]

sniff sniff it's a sniffin' thing.........

[rezamatic]

The one I'm most unfamiliar with.

[golddustwoman77]

I love them all, but I guess this one is my least favorite of the bunch. :shrug:

[wondergirl9847]

Have never heard the frickin' thing. November 8th, at least, I should hear the live version.

[DavidMn]

Try for the Sun

[Dreammms]

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[Dark Angel]

I haven't heard enough of it to make a good enough judgement of it. :shrug:

[sodascouts]

Try for the Sun

David, you need to put your title in the subject line for it to count. :)

About "I Am Waiting" - I had totally forgotten that most people hadn't heard the full thing since I was at Soundstage.

Ah well, it'll be gone quick, no real damage done.

[DavidMn]

Hey Nancy, you're messaget hing is full so I'll post this here; I'm real sorry about what happend to you over on Seven Wonders. I jsut wanted you to know that I didnt whatsoever bring religion into it. I just didnt appriciate someone I know to be a good person attacked. :)

[DavidMn]

There. that better? LoL

[DownOnRodeo]

I had to vote off Down on Rodeo. I'm sorry, but I just hate it.

Confound you!

[David]

Confound you!
Well, I don't hate it, but ... ah, I can't even remember what it sounds like.

[AliP]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[sodascouts]

Results for Round 1:

With 10 votes, “Given Thing” is the first song eliminated from Gift of Screws Survivor. “Given Thing,” please leave immediately. The rest of you may return to camp.

Votes:
Given Thing – 10
I am Waiting – 5
The Singer Not the Song -4
Try for the Sun - 4
Deep Dense – 2
Down on Rodeo – 1

Breakdown of Votes:
Given Thing – sodascouts
Given Thing – GateandGarden
Given Thing – mondaymornin1
Given Thing – Karlie
Given Thing – golden braid
Given Thing – Miss Vicky
Given Thing – GypsySorcerer
Given Thing – CreepingDeath
Given Thing – ontheEdgeof17
Given Thing – AliP
I am Waiting – John Run
I am Waiting – rezamatic
I am Waiting – wondergirl9847
I am Waiting – Dreammms
I am Waiting – Dark Angel
The Singer Not the Song – ReFleetwoodMac
The Singer Not the Song – face of glass
The Singer Not the Song – trackaghost
The Singer Not the Song – shackin’up
Try for the Sun – LINDSEY#1FAN
Try for the Sun – Red
Try for the Sun – golddustwoman77
Try for the Sun – DavidMN
Deep Dense – Mari
Deep Dense – DownOnRodeo
Down on Rodeo – David


Songs remaining:
Blue Turns to Grey
Deep Dense
Down on Rodeo
Gift of Screws
Gotta Get Away
I Am Waiting
She Smiled Sweetly
Shuffle Riff
The Singer Not the Song
Steve’s Riff (Wear You Down)
Try for the Sun
Twist of Fate

Songs Eliminated:
Given Thing 10/18/05

Immunity:
What is the common name by which fans refer to the instrumental version of “Try for the Sun”?

[face of glass]

"Wild California".

Immunity to "Deep Dense".

[sodascouts]

"Wild California".

Immunity to "Deep Dense".

You got it.

IMMUNITY: DEEP DENSE

BEGIN ROUND 2.

[face of glass]

Go after the Stones, people!

[sodascouts]

Let's get rid of the one that probably shouldn't even be here.

[CreepingDeath]

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[Dark Angel]

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[shackin'up]

Nobody heard the thing on a recording yet. How can we vote it in OR out? Given thing out and still the jagger-richards crap in? Of who are we a fan? Given Thing was The Ledge of GOS. Everyone who voted it out: screw you.

[Karlie]

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[GateandGarden]

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[wondergirl9847]

I am waiting...TO HEAR THIS!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Sorry about Given Thing, Gerald. :( I think it's wierd and wonder what he was going to do with it. I'd love to hear a final cut of that song.

[Red]

...still not a big fan.

[ontheEdgeof17]

<<<<<>>>>>

[Dreammms]

..............

[golddustwoman77]

I'm still going for Try for the Sun in the next round, because as I said previously it is my least favorite (if I had to pick one). I DO agree with the fact that we should go after the non-Lindsey written songs.

[sodascouts]

Nobody heard the thing on a recording yet. How can we vote it in OR out? Given thing out and still the jagger-richards crap in? Of who are we a fan? Given Thing was The Ledge of GOS. Everyone who voted it out: screw you.

Not everyone can have your exquisite taste, Gerald. We peasants have not attained the high level of sophistication required to consider half-formed words, mumbling, and wheezing as magnificent art.

[David]

Not everyone can have your exquisite taste, Gerald. We peasants have not attained the high level of sophistication required to consider half-formed words, mumbling, and wheezing as magnificent art.Are you guys talking about the ELO song?

[Miss Vicky]

All I've heard of this song is the clip of Stevie recording backing vocals for it on the Destiny Rules DVD.

I haven't heard "Blue Turns to Grey" either but most people seem to be voting for this one so I'm jumping on the same wagon.

[golden braid]

I'm just picking this cause everyone else is and I haven't heard a full version anyway.

[dissention]

Nobody heard the thing on a recording yet. How can we vote it in OR out? Given thing out and still the jagger-richards crap in? Of who are we a fan? Given Thing was The Ledge of GOS. Everyone who voted it out: screw you.

You should pursue a career in comedy. Given Thing is offal. All he does is mumble and breath oddly, splash some guitar in the background, and call it a song. I call it ****, though.

[face of glass]

Not everyone can have your exquisite taste, Gerald. We peasants have not attained the high level of sophistication required to consider half-formed words, mumbling, and wheezing as magnificent art.
For me such a thing can be magnificent art, but only if it's done correctly (which is a thing everyone will always disagree on). A 30 minute progressive rock suite can have as many elaborate movements as possible and a heck of a lot of time spent on creating it but it can still suck a lot. It's all about how the whole topic and musical content is executed and approached, not about the form itself. And the abstraction of "Given Thing" is no less fascinating to me than something that's lyrically and performance-wise far more coherent.

Of course you'll still think that "Given Thing" is done poorly. ;) I just happen to love mumbling and wheezing if it's done with the right approach.

[shackin'up]

You should pursue a career in comedy. Given Thing is offal. All he does is mumble and breath oddly, splash some guitar in the background, and call it a song. I call it ****, though.

You pronounce utter bullsh*t here. Lindsey's demo's are exquisite. Listen to the early moaning mumble searching-for-tonesandmaybe-wordsversion of Deep Dense and My little demon and you can hear how close that is to the finished product. I just prefer the "what is he trying-quality" more than the finished product in some cases, especially when it's finished with some of lindsey's obligatory lyrics.

It's a given thing: only THAT short lyric makes you think of the possibilities of what the contexts are of such lyric. He's having a ball too: you should see my five year-old jump around on this song: He does not understand english so he does not care for the fact that he mumbles sighs or screams: " this song makes me SOOOOOO happy !!!!! ". That demo has ALOT of hidden quality that makes it a song: it's the "feel" of it. A dutch boy that's five years old sometimes is a better " measuring point " than a spoiled fan.


Oh...and I'm quite good at comedy.
Oh and Nancy: you apologize to me in your first round-vote. You know I love this song and I knew that it would not last long. My taste is not something above yours. I really get pissed about you putting me in an arrogance-position: I LOVE lindsey's unfinished and rawest work and I've pronounced that multiple times before. That makes me no better then you "peasants". I'm from the "backcorner" of my country so you could consider ME a peasant.
I just said: Everybody who voted off my fave in round one:

SCREW YOU!

So your apologies: sorry dear: not accepted.


PS: did I mention that Gaius rules? I said he rules.

[shackin'up]

PS: Why voting off Given Thing for mumbling and sighing and un-understandable lyrics and being not finished while nobody even mentioned of Steve's riff (Wear you down) at all for exactly the same reasons? ( well I won't because I love that one too. )

[Mari]

snrf atchoo cough cough snrf...

uh yeah man. Given Thing rules. I agree, totally. I love a song like Teen Beat too.

Now back to bed.

[LINDSEY#1FAN]

I can't believe Given Thing was voted off !!! I LOVE that song !! Lindsey mumbling??????????? What version are you people listening to ???????? The one I have, I can understand every word !!!! Whatever !! I still love it !!!!!!!!

[mondaymornin1]

I like Lindsey's unfinished stuff, too. Wish I could've heard "Given Thing."

Oh well.:shrug:

[strandinthewind]

. . . I'm glad my few films were never judged based only upon viewing of the rushes!

I love thatq you use the word "rushes" -- many here use the word "dailies" - which I think is silly. Anyway - back to the regularly scheduled programming.

[redrover86]

what's this...my first post? :nod:

hi all!

[shackin'up]

I can't believe Given Thing was voted off !!! I LOVE that song !! Lindsey mumbling??????????? What version are you people listening to ???????? The one I have, I can understand every word !!!! Whatever !! I still love it !!!!!!!!

Would you please please try a transcription? Not a native speaker. I don't get much of that lyric.....

[Karlie]

what's this...my first post? :nod:

hi all!

Hi! Welcome to the Ledge! :wavey:

[wondergirl9847]

Welcome to the Ledge, RedRover86! My 2nd favorite song, after I'm So Afraid. Great choice. :thumbsup:

[AliP]

I can't believe Given Thing was voted off !!! I LOVE that song !! Lindsey mumbling??????????? What version are you people listening to ???????? The one I have, I can understand every word !!!! Whatever !! I still love it !!!!!!!!


Yes, I'm a bit confused by this as well. On my disc of "Demos From the Village Recorder" there are two versions of "Given Thing." I believe the first one is the mumbling version.

The second version I have...I still can't make out the words very well.....but he sings a "ba ba whoa whoa" or something like that. It's much better than the first version.

So I guess it would have helped if we knew which version we were actually voting for.

[AliP]

Would you please please try a transcription? Not a native speaker. I don't get much of that lyric.....


After listening to the two versions I have....from what I can tell, the lyrics appear to be totally different. From the mumbling version, which I believe is the version that people are talking about here, I can only make out this one lyric
" It's happening to me, its something (?), it's a given thing.
Take your time, left behind, sing a little song down the line."


Now on the second version I have, which is easier to understand...I got these lyrics
"Sending out, sending out an offer
Take it (?), Take (?) if you want to
???? an offer
ba ba whoa whoa, Its a given thing" (repeat)


Sorry, that's all I could decipher. Maybe someone else can do better.

[shackin'up]

After listening to the two versions I have....from what I can tell, the lyrics appear to be totally different. From the mumbling version, which I believe is the version that people are talking about here, I can only make out this one lyric
" It's happening to me, its something (?), it's a given thing.
Take your time, left behind, sing a little song down the line."


Now on the second version I have, which is easier to understand...I got these lyrics
"Sending out, sending out an offer
Take it (?), Take (?) if you want to
???? an offer
ba ba whoa whoa, Its a given thing" (repeat)

Sorry, that's all I could decipher. Maybe someone else can do better.



:lol: :lol:

Thanks AliP! I really appreciate it! But that's about what i could make of it too.:lol:

someone else?

[sodascouts]

Oh and Nancy: you apologize to me in your first round-vote. You know I love this song and I knew that it would not last long. My taste is not something above yours. I really get pissed about you putting me in an arrogance-position: I LOVE lindsey's unfinished and rawest work and I've pronounced that multiple times before. That makes me no better then you "peasants". I'm from the "backcorner" of my country so you could consider ME a peasant.
I just said: Everybody who voted off my fave in round one:

SCREW YOU!

So your apologies: sorry dear: not accepted.

It was sincere, but you don't have to accept it. I was preparing for the whining I knew you would engage in as soon as it got voted off.

Got your blood pumping, though, didn't it. ;)

[sodascouts]

Isn't that song just in demo form? Why are we making judgements based on some layers he put down for his own purposes as though it's a piece of his work? This thread seems completely pointless and flawed. Not only is his work taken from him before he wishes it to be heard, they're then scrutinized in this form. I'm glad my few films were never judged based only upon viewing of the rushes!

I understand the objection to including such raw demos and judging them as finished work. I included Given Thing in an effort to be comprehensive, though, and because I knew some folks like it and would want it in here.

You may find the thread pointless and flawed. I argue it's not more pointless and flawed than some threads you have contributed to. At any rate, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

BTW some of these songs were done at Soundstage or released on the soundtrack for Wild California. Some were scheduled to be on the Fleetwood Mac album when it was a double, as documented by more than one magazine. They are obviously finished work.

[GypsySorcerer]

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[AliP]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[shackin'up]

It was sincere, but you don't have to accept it. I was preparing for the whining I knew you would engage in as soon as it got voted off.

Got your blood pumping, though, didn't it. ;)

No the blood pumped at the moment you came with the peasant-remark. Not with the fact GT was voted off partially by you. I am not that naieve. Off course people over here don't "get" those lindsey-songs. i played this game more than once remember? And I did not whine this time I just said: people who voted off Given Thing: SCREW YOU.

By the way: without what you call whining you will have a very dull game, dear.

[sodascouts]

:lol: :lol:

Thanks AliP! I really appreciate it! But that's about what i could make of it too.:lol:

someone else?

My best guess:

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/unreleased/giventhing.html

[sodascouts]

By the way: without what you call whining you will have a very dull game, dear.

As we would without anyone challenging you.

[sodascouts]

Results for Round 2:

With 13 votes, “I Am Waiting” is the second song eliminated from Gift of Screws Survivor. “I Am Waiting,” please wait no longer to leave. The rest of you may return to camp.

Votes:
I am Waiting – 13
The Singer Not the Song - 5
Try for the Sun – 2
Shuffle Riff -1

Breakdown of Votes:
I Am Waiting – sodascouts
I Am Waiting – Dark Angel
I Am Waiting – shackin’up
I Am Waiting – Karlie
I Am Waiting – GateandGarden
I Am Waiting – wondergirl9847
I Am Waiting – trackaghost
I Am Waiting – ontheEdgeof17
I Am Waiting – Dreammms
I Am Waiting – golddustwoman77
I Am Waiting – Miss Vicky
I Am Waiting – golden braid
I Am Waiting – AliP
The Singer Not the Song – face of glass
The Singer Not the Song – CreepingDeath
The Singer Not the Song – ReFleetwoodMac
The Singer Not the Song – Mari
The Singer Not the Song – GypsySorcerer
Try for the Sun – Red
Try for the Sun – LINDSEY#1FAN
Shuffle Riff – redrover86

The songs for Gift of Screws survivor are:
Blue Turns to Grey
Deep Dense
Down on Rodeo
Gift of Screws
Gotta Get Away
She Smiled Sweetly
Shuffle Riff
The Singer Not the Song
Steve’s Riff (Wear You Down)
Try for the Sun
Twist of Fate

Songs Eliminated:
Given Thing 10/18/05
I Am Waiting 10/19/05

Immunity:
From whom did Lindsey get the phrase “gift of screws”?

[sodascouts]

Emily Dickinson

Immunity: Deep Dense

Excellent. :)

IMMUNITY: DEEP DENSE

BEGIN ROUND 3!

[sodascouts]

How about the low quality Stones songs go first?

[CreepingDeath]

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[mondaymornin1]

Again...........................

[wondergirl9847]

I pray to God he doesn't have any Stones songs on his solo album.

[Karlie]

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[shackin'up]

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[AliP]

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[DavidMn]

I dont really care for this one much

[LINDSEY#1FAN]

I like most of these !!!!!!!!

[redrover86]

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[Red]

...least fave of the Stones songs.

[Dreammms]

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[golden braid]

**********

[Miss Vicky]

Not that it makes any difference, but I'm voting for this one because I've never heard it.

I know it's either going to be The Singer Not the Song or She Smiled Sweetly that goes, but I can't bring myself to vote for either of them just yet.

[face of glass]

Out with it.

[John Run]

I pray to God he doesn't have any Stones songs on his solo album.

Christy, haven't you been a fan long enough to know there will never be a solo album??

[Mari]

Go, go, go!

Um..I'm just curious, why are people so fond of Deep Dense? Here's your chance to win me over for future rounds ;)

[sodascouts]

Go, go, go!

Um..I'm just curious, why are people so fond of Deep Dense? Here's your chance to win me over for future rounds ;)

Very catchy, especially the guitar solo. It's trademark Lindsey, that. Listen to it again and you'll see what I mean. It takes up a fifth of the song, the entire last minute. I also like the multiple ways he uses the phrase "I did a good job of falling," each time giving it a different connotation. He's so clever! And the insistent beat is compelling rather than plodding, in my humble opinion.

[Mari]

To me, that guitarsolo sounds like a copy of something he did before. I can't pinpoint it but I'm pretty sure he did use it. :shrug:

[wondergirl9847]

Christy, haven't you been a fan long enough to know there will never be a solo album??

Never give up hope.

[shackin'up]

To me, that guitarsolo sounds like a copy of something he did before. I can't pinpoint it but I'm pretty sure he did use it. :shrug:

part of it he used in the liveversions of second hand news (dance. LIB) or in the LIB- EOTWorld: It's a part of it, when it gets really "screamy".

[David]

To me, that guitarsolo sounds like a copy of something he did before. I can't pinpoint it but I'm pretty sure he did use it. :shrug:If so, you get the added intellectual pleasure of trying to ascertain how close he was able to replicate his old solo!

It's a win-win situation!

[Mari]

If so, you get the added intellectual pleasure of trying to ascertain how close he was able to replicate his old solo!

It's a win-win situation!

Nope. I'm spoiled, I want something new, each song. There is some intellectual pleasure when I recognise the song he's duplicating (thank you, Gerald), but that is immediately followed by disappointment.

[sodascouts]

Nope. I'm spoiled, I want something new, each song. There is some intellectual pleasure when I recognise the song he's duplicating (thank you, Gerald), but that is immediately followed by disappointment.

If we gave up on every song that has hints of a former solo, especially if we're counting live stuff as well, it would leave us with very limited choices. I prefer to evaluate each song on its own merits. The only exceptions to this are when it's so obvious it's impossible to ignore, ie., Doing What I Can and Murrow.

[Mari]

Hm, I think there's a difference between 'hints' and clearly copying old solo's. He doesn't do that in each and every song.

Actually, I must contradict myself, there are songs where I love this solo-copying, especially Hiding In The Shadows - That's How We Do It In LA comes to mind :)

I think the problem I have with Deep Dense then, that if that solo would be the only catch of the song, that is when it becomes irritating and when my spoiled side comes up and I want to hear more.

I find that song .. just boring. Slow and boring. :shrug:

edit: I'm listening to it right now and it makes my head bob from shoulder to shoulder. All that's missing is the two ponytails. Not a good sign :p

[shackin'up]

Hiding In The Shadows - That's How We Do It In LA

:confused: :confused: :shrug: :shrug:

please explain?

[Mari]

I will, two yousendit's coming up :thumbsup:

(I'm hopeless with titles, hope I got those right)

[AliP]

Actually, I must contradict myself, there are songs where I love this solo-copying, especially Hiding In The Shadows - That's How We Do It In LA comes to mind :)



I LOVE the solos in those two songs. But, I think the solo was a collaboration between LB and John Stewart and that's why LB used it for his solo album and John Stewart used it for his solo album. I think there is an article out there where John talks about it. So I don't know if you can really call it "solo copying" since it was a collaboration.

[AliP]

My best guess:

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/unreleased/giventhing.html


Wow. Good job! Is this from the first version or the second version because from what I could tell they have completely different lyrics.

[Mari]

I LOVE the solos in those two songs. But, I think the solo was a collaboration between LB and John Stewart and that's why LB used it for his solo album and John Stewart used it for his solo album. I think there is an article out there where John talks about it. So I don't know if you can really call it "solo copying" since it was a collaboration.

It's not copying from Lindsey's own solo's, no. But it still is a carbon copy.
I meant solo as in guitarsolo's, not his 'solo work'.

[AliP]

It's not copying from Lindsey's own solo's, no. But it still is a carbon copy.
I meant solo as in guitarsolo's, not his 'solo work'.

Sorry, I meant guitar solo too. I was just trying to say that I don't think Lindsey "recycled" the guitar solo on the two songs because it was a collaboration b/w he and JS from which JS used it on Chilly Winds and LB used it L&O.

[Mari]

For anyone who hasn't heard it yet, here's John Stewart's Hiding In The Shadows.
http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2X741TIH9BRK904G65TO4PEVMC

[David]

For anyone who hasn't heard it yet, here's John Stewart's Hiding In The Shadows.
http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2X741TIH9BRK904G65TO4PEVMC
I'm sorry, but that sounds nothing at all like Ravel's Le Gibet.

[Mari]

Sorry, I meant guitar solo too. I was just trying to say that I don't think Lindsey "recycled" the guitar solo on the two songs because it was a collaboration b/w he and JS from which JS used it on Chilly Winds and LB used it L&O.

Well.. whether he recycled it or not, that wasn't my point. He could use identical themes for various reasons, I guess many artists do that.
I'm looking at this only from my spoiled 'listeners' viewpoint. When I hear a guitar solo in a song that I recognise from another song, then most of the time that doesn't make me go 'woopie, how great'. I'd rather hear something original in there.

For HITS-THWDIILA, both songs have plenty of other things going for them anyway, I guess that's one reason why it doesn't disturb me.

Deep Dense just doesn't have much that would excite me.

[Mari]

I'm sorry, but that sounds nothing at all like Ravel's Le Gibet.

Oh please, tell me why not? lol...
Elaborate, elaborate! This is the Lindseyledge you're at!

[chiliD]

A 30 minute progressive rock suite can have as many elaborate movements as possible and a heck of a lot of time spent on creating it but it can still suck a lot.

Yes' Relayer as a case-in-point. :nod:

[sodascouts]

Wow. Good job! Is this from the first version or the second version because from what I could tell they have completely different lyrics.

It's the more finished one - whether you consider that first or second I don't know! lol

[rezamatic]

Won't do much in the end, but I'm voting for this anyway.
1- Not his own song
2- Sounds like he's slipping into a coma while singing it
3- Bores me. Not good in a mellow/chill-out kind of way.