gold dust woman and operation [Archive]

ckilger

10-06-2005, 09:37 PM

Music and Conversation with Jim Conley - 1981
(quote also appears on "Rock Year - 1977")(about Gold Dust Woman)"I wrote that in Arizona when I was real sick.. after an operation under the Indian Mountains. So if you listen to it like that...I had an operation...I was in bed for five weeks so I just played my guitar and looked up at the Camelback Mountain."

I just found this quote and have never heard anything about this operation. Does anyone know anything more?

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

Johnny Stew

10-06-2005, 09:49 PM

David

10-06-2005, 09:53 PM

Very interesting quote, Christine (it's great to see you, by the way). I've never read that before.

Hmm... I wonder if this was after the breast augmentation surgery, which I believe would have been right around that time (early 1976). :confused:Ahh! That's my tape! The Rock Years things ran on KMET. There were a bunch of them. In some others, Stevie talks about wanting to be the most elegant rock 'n' roll singer of all (as opposed to stomping around in tight spandex).

I always assumed that illness (we were just talking about the illnesses that created Sisters Of The Moon & Gold Dust Woman) was part of her ennui/illness from touring on that first 1975 tour that wore her down. However, it does fit the time frame of her boob job, so maybe that was it.

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 09:54 PM

Very interesting quote, Christine (it's great to see you, by the way). I've never read that before.

Hmm... I wonder if this was after the breast augmentation surgery, which I believe would have been right around that time (early 1976). :confused:

I was thinking the same thing.

Als - Christine -

I must thank you for your wonderful site. I have quoted it and cited it more times than I can count. Thank you so much for all your hard work :angel:

Nicksluvver

10-06-2005, 09:59 PM

I also think Stevie is referring to the boob job!

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:00 PM

Would it have taken five weeks to recover -- remember it was the mid 70's?

ontheEdgeof17

10-06-2005, 10:03 PM

When was her "abortion"?

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:04 PM

When was her "abortion"?

I am pretty sure that did not take five weeks to recover from under ordinary circumstances :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

10-06-2005, 10:05 PM

I am pretty sure that did not take five weeks to recover from under ordinary circumstances :shrug:

Neither would a boob job.

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:05 PM

Neither would a boob job.

But it would take longer than an abortion, which people walk home from :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

10-06-2005, 10:07 PM

But it would take longer than an abortion, which people walk home from :shrug:

People walk home from boob jobs too. Girl in my class had one during the weekend and was back to class on that Monday.

WelshWitchPMD

10-06-2005, 10:07 PM

I read that she had an ovarian cyst operation right after the Buckingham Nicks photo shoot. Ironically she said that she was in bed for 5 weeks after that. :shrug:

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:09 PM

People walk home from boob jobs too. Girl in my class had one during the weekend and was back to class on that Monday.

but this was 1975 or so :shrug: But, who knows, maybe the procedure was the same then.

xxxmx

10-06-2005, 10:14 PM

gotta love those cystic ovaries! that would put you down for five weeks, easily. paging nurse curtis, any input?

dissention

10-06-2005, 10:15 PM

People walk home from boob jobs too. Girl in my class had one during the weekend and was back to class on that Monday.

She didn't get a tit job in the mid-seventies, though.

ckilger

10-06-2005, 10:22 PM

I read that she had an ovarian cyst operation right after the Buckingham Nicks photo shoot. Ironically she said that she was in bed for 5 weeks after that. :shrug:

Where did she say this?

This sounds more likely. I think GDW was at least in part written before she joined FM - she says this in one of the documentaries about Rumours.

I have been reading the ledge for a few months now and I love it. There are some of the funniest, wittiest, knowledgable fans on here!

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

WelshWitchPMD

10-06-2005, 10:27 PM

Where did she say this?

This sounds more likely. I think GDW was at least in part written before she joined FM - she says this in one of the documentaries about Rumours.

I have been reading the ledge for a few months now and I love it. There are some of the funniest, wittiest, knowledgable fans on here!

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

It was some article that I read in one of those old fanzines. She also mentions that all of her doctors are in AZ. She said that she did not want to show her Dad the BN cover and that it was under her bed for 5 weeks while she recovered from an ovarian cyst operation. Not exactly in those words but something like that.

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:29 PM

It was some article that I read in one of those old fanzines. She also mentions that all of her doctors are in AZ. She said that she did not want to show her Dad the BN cover and that it was under her bed for 5 weeks while she recovered from an ovarian cyst operation. Not exactly in those words but something like that.

I know nothing about where the scar would be or if she would have one, but if she did, wouldn't it show in those pics where she shows her stomach.

ontheEdgeof17

10-06-2005, 10:31 PM

I know nothing about where the scar would be or if she would have one, but if she did, wouldn't it show in those pics where she shows her stomach.

Depends on where they cut....but stage makeup does wonders.

WelshWitchPMD

10-06-2005, 10:33 PM

I know nothing about where the scar would be or if she would have one, but if she did, wouldn't it show in those pics where she shows her stomach.

Hmm I think that I have seen a little scar on those pics where she has on the bare midriff. Oh no! I am not going looking for anymore photos online, tonight! :lol:

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:36 PM

Depends on where they cut....but stage makeup does wonders.

It does - trust me on that :laugh:

But, she wore little make up in that era. Hence, the oily skin in the MS Rhiannon video :laugh:

David

10-06-2005, 10:38 PM

I uploaded all the KMET Rock Years I could find, including the Gold Dust Woman segment. There are three segments in all:

http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C1CB60U83U8J2G0AUYTIUQ1P3

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LGKZUP060OT91TCVXWBP7LC1H

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3LE8CSD8S2IZT1ZABBK6SXACLB

ontheEdgeof17

10-06-2005, 10:41 PM

I uploaded all the KMET Rock Years I could find, including the Gold Dust Woman segment. There are three segments in all:

Thanks, David!

Question....How can it be '77 when they are talking about Bella Donna? Is that segment not a part of the Rock Years interview?

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 10:41 PM

Thank You David!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ckilger

10-06-2005, 10:51 PM

It was some article that I read in one of those old fanzines. She also mentions that all of her doctors are in AZ. She said that she did not want to show her Dad the BN cover and that it was under her bed for 5 weeks while she recovered from an ovarian cyst operation. Not exactly in those words but something like that.

Thanks for the info. If you find the original source let us know.

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

WelshWitchPMD

10-06-2005, 10:54 PM

Thanks for the info. If you find the original source let us know.

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

OK Maybe I will go through my stuff this weekend.

ragandbone

10-06-2005, 11:31 PM

KMET: Tweedle-dee

Thanks! I am going to listen to these while I work - you have saved me from tedium.

***
Oh rats! I am done listening to them already. Nothing can save me now.

BTFLCHLD

10-06-2005, 11:40 PM

this thread reads like someones
worst gyno nightmare...
sigh...((((stevie))))

AliP

10-07-2005, 12:23 AM

Music and Conversation with Jim Conley - 1981
(quote also appears on "Rock Year - 1977")(about Gold Dust Woman)"I wrote that in Arizona when I was real sick.. after an operation under the Indian Mountains. So if you listen to it like that...I had an operation...I was in bed for five weeks so I just played my guitar and looked up at the Camelback Mountain."

Yes, I remember transcribing that quote from that tape and thinking...wth? Did you find that on my site, btw? Just wondering if anyone actually goes there or if I should take it down.

catinthedark

10-07-2005, 12:41 AM

I have been reading the ledge for a few months now and I love it. There are some of the funniest, wittiest, knowledgable fans on here!

Christine
www.inherownwords.com

Hey!! Welcome to The Ledge! I LOVE your site - I spent hours one day reading the entire thing. :o Thank you so much for it.

skcin

10-08-2005, 08:24 AM

People walk home from boob jobs too. Girl in my class had one during the weekend and was back to class on that Monday.

Did you get to check them out during show and tell? :shrug: :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17

10-08-2005, 10:55 AM

Did you get to check them out during show and tell? :shrug: :laugh:

I felt her up, yes. :D

skcin

10-08-2005, 11:04 AM

I felt her up, yes. :D

I did an EKG on someone the other day. I went to lift her breast to place the electrode & it didn't move. :shocked: Her boob was solid as a rock. I was totally flabbergasted - I had never seen or touched a fake boob before. :shocked:

I didn't say anything, I was trying to be all professional. She goes "I have breast implants, will the test still work OK?" I thought to myself "yeah, no sh*t you have implants, I figured that out, thanks." They weren't all that large, but they freaked me out - why would anyone want 2 stiff hard masses stuck on their chest? No offense if anyone here has them, but I just don't get it. :shrug:

BTW - LOVE the new sig, Curty! :xoxo:

Raeven Skye

10-08-2005, 11:31 AM

Am I crazy, or do I remember an ancient interview with Stevie around BD/WH era that she had to have polyps removed from her vocal chords? Maybe this is her surgery....def would'a been traumatic

WelshWitchPMD

10-08-2005, 11:41 AM

Am I crazy, or do I remember an ancient interview with Stevie around BD/WH era that she had to have polyps removed from her vocal chords? Maybe this is her surgery....def would'a been traumatic

I thought that she never did have that surgery and she would just get shots to deswell the vocal chords.

Johnny Stew

10-08-2005, 11:53 AM

I thought that she never did have that surgery and she would just get shots to deswell the vocal chords.That was always my understanding, too.

Speaking of mystery operations, back in high school I read in a rock encylopedia that Christine celebrated her divorce from John by getting her "tubes tied."
I've never read that anywhere else... has anyone else heard that?

DeeGeMe

10-08-2005, 10:18 PM

A scar for an ovarian cyst would be quite low on the body-unless she was wearing a really, really, low-cut bikini bottom.

StreetAngel86

10-09-2005, 01:23 AM

I read that she had an ovarian cyst operation right after the Buckingham Nicks photo shoot. Ironically she said that she was in bed for 5 weeks after that. :shrug:

Stevieness has/had ovarian cysts? WOOHOO we're SOTM lol
I had one a few years ago and it was massive and starting rupturing
I got very sick :eek: and was in hospital for a week and then on the couch for another week. I would have stayed longer but i had to go back to Uni BAD BAD idea i would be out of breath walking up 2 steps and let's not even talk about the stitches when u cough/sneeze :lol:

VERY possible STevie could have been out for 5 weeks
who wouldnt want that much time off if they could have it :)

gldstwmn

10-09-2005, 02:30 AM

Would it have taken five weeks to recover -- remember it was the mid 70's?

I think it's a good six weeks before you can do anything really physical. I think it also depends on the placement of the implants, whether or not they go underneath the muscle.

strandinthewind

10-09-2005, 09:52 AM

I think it's a good six weeks before you can do anything really physical. I think it also depends on the placement of the implants, whether or not they go underneath the muscle.

Cool and thanks!!!!!!!!

strandinthewind

10-09-2005, 11:12 AM

[QUOTE=trackaghost . . . Do you not believe she had one? I know some people don't, for different reasons.[/QUOTE]

Well, she admitted that she had one while dating Don Henley and after DH spilled the beans. I mean she says I would have never chosen to tell the world about that, which is admitting it happened.

Note - I do not fault or judge her in any way. It was her decision and her consequence.

ontheEdgeof17

10-09-2005, 12:29 PM

Do you not believe she had one? I know some people don't, for various reasons.

I believe she had one. I just put it in quotes cuz like you just stated, I knew she had mutiple ones....and some believe she just had "the one".

DeeGeMe

10-09-2005, 01:08 PM

Stevieness has/had ovarian cysts? WOOHOO we're SOTM lol
I had one a few years ago and it was massive and starting rupturing
I got very sick :eek: and was in hospital for a week and then on the couch for another week. I would have stayed longer but i had to go back to Uni BAD BAD idea i would be out of breath walking up 2 steps and let's not even talk about the stitches when u cough/sneeze :lol:

VERY possible STevie could have been out for 5 weeks
who wouldnt want that much time off if they could have it :)

Yep--count me in as a SOTM on this one too. Not a club anyone wants to belong too though. Those things hurt like hell! I didn't have to be operated on for either of mine-they disintegrated on their own. My Mom did however--in those days there was no ultrasound so they thought it was her appendix--they made the cut there and found out her appendix were okay--then cut lower--so she's got this fairly long scar across her belly from that. She told me it was the worst pain she's ever had trying to recuperate from that operation. I never knew this about Stevie until now. Interesting tidbit.

On the abortions--isn't there supposed to be an audio of an interview out there where she admits she had multiple abortions? I mean it's so clear that "Goodbye Baby" is about having an abortion.

But it's her life and I won't stand here in judgement for her for having done that. Or for anything she's ever done to be real honest. I'm not anyone's judge or jury. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there who are more than happy to sit around and discuss such things and hand out their opinions on it but you know--they just need to ask themselves-would you want what you've done in your life being relentlessly discussed and others who don't even know you or your life circumstances at the time weighing in with a verdict on you for your behavior? I didn't think so.

David

10-09-2005, 01:33 PM

I mean it's so clear that "Goodbye Baby" is about having an abortion.I don't think it's clear, but it's a tantalizing possibility!
But it's her life and I won't stand here in judgement for her for having done that.I judge Stevie's behavior just as I judge anybody's behavior, including mine. I'll never be a better person myself unless I judge behavior, which teaches me to distinguish between good behavior & bad, & even to recognize that behavior can be both good & bad, depending on circumstances.

When I see good being done, I want to judge it as "good." Likewise with evil. I can't imagine wanting to live a decent life without the ability or the inclination to judge words & deeds -- & to understand my judgments.

Ultimately, I want to understand why the spelling of "judgment" changed from "judgement." I have a hunch that the cause must be dropped squarely in the lap of the newspaper industry. Likewise with "acknowledgment."

Kelly

10-09-2005, 02:20 PM

AliP

10-09-2005, 03:02 PM

On the abortions--isn't there supposed to be an audio of an interview out there where she admits she had multiple abortions? I mean it's so clear that "Goodbye Baby" is about having an abortion.

Even in the following article I find it hard to believe that she admitted to four abortions. Does anyone know if the real article says "babies" or was this just inserted recently by some fan trying to prove a point?

Spencer Bright
VOX Magazine (London) February 1992

Was there a common thread among her men? "They're all very smart and very loving, and they all had a difficult time with my life and the way that I live it and how busy I am." For four lovers, a crucial test came when she became pregnant and opted for terminations. "It's always been a tragedy. But they understood." But they didn't really. "Eventually their hearts couldn't take it, they couldn't understand quite enough, how deeply embedded in this I was. And so it eventually hurt them too much and they had to leave, or face devastation on their own."

She put her relationship with her fans before a relationship with one man. Ever since she saw Janis Joplin perform, Stevie has wanted to emulate her, to achieve that state of communion with the crowd. "I just wanted to be in love with my audience and I wanted them to be in love with me back."

But now there is remorse at the havoc her abortions have wreaked on her psyche. "To give up four babies is to give up a lot that would be here now. So that bothers me, a lot, and really breaks my heart. But they're gone, so..." She composes herself. "But I couldn't have because I was too busy. And I had all these commitments." She wants to adopt, but age and single-parenthood are against her.

WelshWitchPMD

10-09-2005, 03:13 PM

Even in the following article I find it hard to believe that she admitted to four abortions. Does anyone know if the real article says "babies" or was this just inserted recently by some fan trying to prove a point?

Spencer Bright
VOX Magazine (London) February 1992

Was there a common thread among her men? "They're all very smart and very loving, and they all had a difficult time with my life and the way that I live it and how busy I am." For four lovers, a crucial test came when she became pregnant and opted for terminations. "It's always been a tragedy. But they understood." But they didn't really. "Eventually their hearts couldn't take it, they couldn't understand quite enough, how deeply embedded in this I was. And so it eventually hurt them too much and they had to leave, or face devastation on their own."

That seems to be the only place that Stevie mentions 4 of them. Some people question the authenticity of that interview, however. If my memory serves me correct I think that article read: To give up four (babies) is to give up a lot” but I could be wrong. I don’t feel like going through my stuff but I am pretty sure that Freddie Mercury was on the cover of that issue of Vox.

She put her relationship with her fans before a relationship with one man. Ever since she saw Janis Joplin perform, Stevie has wanted to emulate her, to achieve that state of communion with the crowd. "I just wanted to be in love with my audience and I wanted them to be in love with me back."

But now there is remorse at the havoc her abortions have wreaked on her psyche. "To give up four babies is to give up a lot that would be here now. So that bothers me, a lot, and really breaks my heart. But they're gone, so..." She composes herself. "But I couldn't have because I was too busy. And I had all these commitments." She wants to adopt, but age and single-parenthood are against her.

That seems to be the only place that Stevie mentions 4 of them. Some people question the authenticity of that interview, however. If my memory serves me correct I think that article read: To give up four (babies) is to give up a lot” but I could be wrong. I don’t feel like going through my stuff but I am pretty sure that Freddie Mercury was on the cover of that issue of Vox. :lol:

Ghost_Tracker

10-09-2005, 03:20 PM

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Ultimately, I want to understand why the spelling of "judgment" changed from "judgement." I have a hunch that the cause must be dropped squarely in the lap of the newspaper industry. Likewise with "acknowledgment."

I think with the "e" is the Brit. spelling.
We're rockers, by definition, since we're Americans -
so to "establish our own identity," we dropped the "e".
Now we're all independent and can think on our own and
all that fancy stuff :lol: The American spelling is actually
"judgment," I believe, and the Brit. is with an "e"
But I bet if you look at Stevie's old scribblings on Sararhiannon.com,
somebody forgot to tell the Queen about this - yuk-yuk! :p

dissention

10-09-2005, 04:15 PM

That's not the only place she mentioned the four abortions. I have a newspaper article where she talks about it and a newspaper interview where she again mentions it. Here's one of them, it's from 1990. I can't remember the paper it was in, as I only kept the clipping.

I HAD 4 ABORTIONS SAYS FLEETWOOD MAC BEAUTY
By Mick Hamilton

Oh, Sharon. :shocked: That is the worst article I've ever read regarding Nicks. Thank the stars her bitter days are behind her.

dissention

10-09-2005, 04:21 PM

So what? Every thing she says is in quotes, not "a friend says..."
As a journalist I know they couldn't do that unless she said it.
So what's your point?

The same people who hollered about the Vox article and other ones being bull are going to do the same with this one, sweetie. I don't think it's bull and I wholeheartedly believe she said those things because she was a bitter, crabby little thing back then, but posting that article will invite The Wrath. :laugh:

strandinthewind

10-09-2005, 04:24 PM

I do not think it is clear that Goodbye Baby is about an abortion either. It is about the loss of a child though, . Whether by abortion or miscarriage is what is not clear. Somehow I do not see her singing about a child she aborted at the close of every show.....now a child she lost..maybe. The music is very gentle and always reminds me of a soothing lullabye when it starts. Stevie also said it was one of the most emotional to sing everynight.

Well, she sang Sara on the last tour and Henley said that was about their child Nicks aborted - and she never denied that, instead simply shoosing to say that Henley's public statements would not be how she would have chosen to tell the world about that. So, La Nicks is not beyond singing about an aborted child. I suppose it could be argued that GB is about the loss of LB's child in her and that LB's child meant more to her than Henley's, but that is speculative at best as none of us know how much these meant to her.

Also, if memory serves me correctly, she did not say she lost four babies. She was talking about loves and then she says something I lost four. But, I am not looking up that article :laugh:

WelshWitchPMD

10-09-2005, 04:25 PM

The same people who hollered about the Vox article and other ones being bull are going to do the same with this one, sweetie. I don't think it's bull and I wholeheartedly believe she said those things because she was a bitter, crabby little thing back then, but posting that article will invite The Wrath. :laugh:

Yes, that is what I mean. I don't know if she said it or not and I don't care. I personally believe that she did have 4 of them.