Band Face Off - Round 16 [Archive]

trackaghost

10-06-2005, 11:51 AM

I'm doing this early, cos I'm out later, but somehow I don't think the results for Round 15 are gonna change too drastically.

The Thin White Duke completely and utterly slaughtered the competition last round winning by an amazing 31 votes, leaving his old mates Lou and Iggy more miserable than Reed's Berlin album.

The next round was suggested by DavidMn and sees two artists who inspired Lindsey's change of direction on the Tusk album up against each other. Yep, it's Brits vs Yanks. You can already guess how I'll be voting...

The results so far
Round 1: Petty defeats Springsteen - 36 to 19
Round 2: Led Zeppelin defeat The Who - 22 to 19
Round 3: Madonna defeats Sheryl Crow/Kate Bush - 24 to 13/10
Round 4: The Beatles defeat Rolling Stones/U2 - 23 to 16/14
Round 5: Guns N Roses defeat Bon Jovi/Metallica - 17 to 13/12
Round 6: Heart defeat Blondie/The Pretenders - 23 to 16/6
Round 7: The Beach Boys defeat The Kinks/The Byrds - 24 to 10/10
Round 8: Johnny Cash defeats Elvis Presley/Roy Orbison - 20 to 19/7
Round 9: Abba defeats The Carpenters - 25 to 15
Round 10: Prince defeats Jimi Hendrix/Lenny Kravitz - 24 to 15/3
Round 11: No Doubt defeat Garbage/Hole - 27 to 11/9
Round 12: Bob Dylan defeats Neil Young - 26 to 24
Round 13: Dolly Parton defeats Emmylou Harris/Linda Ronstadt - 19 to 17/9
Round 14: Marvin Gaye defeats Aretha Franklin/Stevie Wonder/Diana Ross - 14 to 11/9/2
Round 15: David Bowie defeats Lou Reed/Iggy Pop - 31 to 3/2

The polls are still open, vote now!

markolas

10-06-2005, 11:58 AM

Talking Heads. I actually like them a little! :D

Jyqm

10-06-2005, 12:04 PM

Now this is interesting. Contemporaries and Lindsey inspirers though they both may be, they're two very different bands. I've got to give it to the Clash, though, for proving to the world that punk music didn't have to be about being as stupid, simplistic and loud as you could. Plus, I suspect they may need the support on this board...

And when are we doing my suggestions! Don't make me pout!

dissention

10-06-2005, 12:10 PM

Talking Heads

Forgetting their Naked record, they have always kicked ass. Every album is wonderful. I love The Clash, but when I think of Talking Heads, so many incredible, innovative songs come to mind that I'm overwhelmed. Along with Tango In the Night and a Bette Midler record, Fear of Music was one of only three albums I owned to play on my Fisher Price record player as a kid.

David Byrne epitomized cool to me when I was kid getting into music for the first time. That thin yet forceful voice has an incredible herky-jerky quality to it; oh so nerdy, utterly unique, and with the ability to kick your ass three times over in one song ("Once In A Lifetime"). The creativity in that band knew no bounds, either. They were inspired by everything from gospel preachers on the radio to Hugo Ball sound poems. The lyrics they wrote were incendiary, humorous, and poignant all at once. They're one of the greatest.

And who wants to buy this for me? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5XSK8/qid=1128617624/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-1760596-7052664?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

strandinthewind

10-06-2005, 12:15 PM

face of glass

10-06-2005, 12:45 PM

No doubt the Clash are great, they were capable of expanding the vocabulary of punk (even though they weren't the only band to do that) when it was so desperately needed. London Calling and Sandinista! are both enormous musical jungles that are very interesting to explore and go through. Although they did drag on longer than they should have. Does anyone here like Cut The Crap, I wonder?

Picked Talking Heads though. David Byrne comes from the David Bowie school of thought, he's a mystificator and he can have a very impersonal side to his music-making and lyricism but in it's own way it can be very moving. The paranoia of Fear Of Music and Remain In Light have gotten lots of plays on my stereo, I still get a huge kick out of all those Byrne rants in "Born Under Punches" and the chilling arrangement of "The Listening Wind" is absolute perfection. And the band as players were great too, incredibly tight. Plus they expanded themselves at the right time and began to explore interesting things through that, the Remain In Light and Speaking In Tongues tours were both great parties. Just watch Stop Making Sense, people!

mylittledemon

10-06-2005, 12:50 PM

Oooh...this is a tough one. I have to go with The Clash on this one...although the more i think about it, I lean towards the Heads....damnit!

Jyqm

10-06-2005, 01:15 PM

What were yours again? I must admit I've forgotten.
David PMed me The Clash/Talking Heads suggestion last night.
I still have great suggestions from Gerald and Gaius too that I will eventually get round to.

Well, one of mine was a battle of the Davids, Bowie vs. Byrne, but those two have already been incorporated in the last two rounds. (Though I have a hunch we might have seen much less of a blow-out this way...)

My other two suggestions were The Smiths vs. The Cure (because who doesn't love rehashing old '80s rivalries), and Elvis Costello v. Tom Waits (though I absolutely dread it and almost regret suggesting it).

shackin'up

10-06-2005, 01:29 PM

well heck. The complete and undiscussable impact that the Clash had on popmusic is amazing. The thing is, I suspect they need the vote with all these yanks on the site voting. The bigger thing is, I like the Talking heads better musically. Once in a lifetime is still a cracker on my carstereo. I belt that one out regularly, especially because the next song on that tape is dEUS' Suds and Soda. For a weird reason those songs will always have someting in common for me.

so I'll have to follow my heart and vote for the Heads. Although my loved one will punish me tonight when I tell her: she's so Clashy. :laugh:

face of glass

10-06-2005, 01:44 PM

My other two suggestions were The Smiths vs. The Cure (because who doesn't love rehashing old '80s rivalries)
Was there really a rivalry between those bands in the States? I wouldn't know. In the UK there probably was some rivalry between New Order and The Smiths, I know of that one. Hmm, New Order vs. The Smiths vs. The Cure vs. Depeche Mode. Might be interesting.
...and Elvis Costello v. Tom Waits (though I absolutely dread it and almost regret suggesting it).
I can't think of a proper opponent for Tom Waits really, the man is absolutely in his own league. Maybe Nick Cave, although I guess he's even more obscure than Tom is.

ryan8472

10-06-2005, 01:48 PM

Talking Heads, by a mile or 10. :nod: One of the most original and creative bands to ever come out of the U.S. :nod: And not to mention, my favorite band ever. :nod: :D

mylittledemon

10-06-2005, 01:57 PM

Talking Heads, by a mile or 10. :nod: One of the most original and creative bands to ever come out of the U.S. :nod: And not to mention, my favorite band ever. :nod: :D

Listen here you hot little duck, your favorite band is The Mac! Now apologize to the everyone for scaring them like that.

Mari

10-06-2005, 02:01 PM

Was there really a rivalry between those bands in the States? I wouldn't know. In the UK there probably was some rivalry between New Order and The Smiths, I know of that one. Hmm, New Order vs. The Smiths vs. The Cure vs. Depeche Mode. Might be interesting.

No, you wouldn't want New Order to lose, would you :p

But that combination would be great. Been in my head more or less too.

face of glass

10-06-2005, 02:17 PM

No, you wouldn't want New Order to lose, would you :p
I'd just like to see them against anyone anyway.

But I guess they do have less songs out of all these bands that most Americans would recognize; "Blue Monday", "Bizarre Love Triangle", "True Faith" and maybe "Regret", that's about it.

Got A Collection and NewOrderStory yet? They were in the store already yesterday but I promised to a record seller in Lahti that I'd buy them from him for a cheaper price and I've been a loyal customer of his for years. Of course next time I'll get to go to Lahti is at the end of next week, grmbl. :mad:

Jyqm

10-06-2005, 02:19 PM

Was there really a rivalry between those bands in the States?

It wasn't really a rivalry in the States, per se, as much as it was a rivalry between Morrissey and Robert Smith themselves. Each had some nasty things to say about the other from time to time.

I can't think of a proper opponent for Tom Waits really, the man is absolutely in his own league. Maybe Nick Cave, although I guess he's even more obscure than Tom is.

I'm not sure why, but I always pair up Costello and Waits in my mind. Perhaps because they're both singer-songwriters who focus so much on language itself and make so much use of word play and cultural references, or perhaps because they've both followed some rather schizophrenic career paths.

Mari

10-06-2005, 02:21 PM

I'd just like to see them against anyone anyway.

But I guess they do have less songs out of all these bands that most Americans would recognize; "Blue Monday", "Bizarre Love Triangle", "True Faith" and maybe "Regret", that's about it.

Got A Collection and NewOrderStory yet? They were in the store already yesterday but I promised to a record seller in Lahti that I'd buy them from him for a cheaper price and I've been a loyal customer of his for years. Of course next time I'll get to go to Lahti is at the end of next week, grmbl. :mad:

Nope. Saw them today in the stores for the first time, but not as cheap as I want to have them. Still not sure if I even will, actually. I have Story already, and quite a lot of clips.. I'm having a NO break, I guess! (I'd still vote for them in that poll though :D)

Moony

10-06-2005, 02:31 PM

Had to go with the Clash, I love them, plus I simply do not know much Talking Heads music. :shrug:

ryan8472

10-06-2005, 02:37 PM

And who wants to buy this for me? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5XSK8/qid=1128617624/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-1760596-7052664?v=glance&s=music&n=507846
I would. But I already have all of those CD's. Having the remasters might be nice tho. :nod:

Dissy! We need to convert more people, and in a hurry! TH cannot be eliminated in the 1st round! :eek:

dissention

10-06-2005, 02:41 PM

I would. But I already have all of those CD's. Having the remasters might be nice tho. :nod:

I have them all, too, but these are remastered AND they're DualDiscs! Hot hot hot. I knew I shouldn't have bought their outrageously overpriced boxed set.

Dissy! We need to convert more people, and in a hurry! TH cannot be eliminated in the 1st round! :eek:

If they lose...I don't know what I'll do. But it will be bad.

Serrart

10-06-2005, 07:04 PM

Arghhh... it's a difficult one... The Clash. They're both provocative and innovative groups, but The Clash bring more strong emotions to me.

Romy

Mari

10-07-2005, 06:10 AM

Pestkop only means 'tease', nothing so extreme but I like your interpretation :laugh:

But if you don't like any of the bands anyway, vote for New Order, ok? :p

Pfft... eurocentrism!!

Edit: Oh, you changed your signature. I was just about to ask you whether that note was directed to me, and if so.. what's your problem? :confused:

Anyway, where do you get the idea that New Order are whiners? Don't you know songs like Bizarre Love Triangle and Temptation? Ultimate party stuff.

If you really want to get depressed, try some American grunge..like Nirvana.. etc etc. It's not a Euro only thing, if you were saying that.

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:10 PM

oh, and I don't know New Order's music.

Broaden your way of looking at the world! Try some of it!
I could make you a yousendit. But then again, why should I?

markolas

10-07-2005, 06:14 PM

Cool :D
Who would you suggest if I did a jazz themed Face Off?

Hmm...well, I think I agree with whoever it was who said that there probably aren't many jazz fans on this board...so, if you were to do one, I'd suggest sticking to vocalists that more Ledgies might be familiar with. Like Ella vs. Sarah, or Billie, or something.

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:14 PM

And I wouldn't mind doing Elvis Costello vs Tom Waits either.

To be honest I'd find a Cave-Waits battle more appropriate.
And If you search for an opponent for Costello, I'd say: Joe Jackson would be fitting.

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:16 PM

Hmm...well, I think I agree with whoever it was who said that there probably aren't many jazz fans on this board...so, if you were to do one, I'd suggest sticking to vocalists that more Ledgies might be familiar with. Like Ella vs. Sarah, or Billie, or something.

Or match it with more rock. Like weather report vs mothers of invention

Mari

10-07-2005, 06:25 PM

Well, hell I don't know what to do now! I love Nick Cave but do you reckon he has many fans on this board?

only know a few songs by either of them... :o
Elvis Costello, however, will get my vote:D

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:35 PM

Costello-Waits will be a 69-5 result.

For those who know Waits, Cave is known too.

I don't want you to hesitate through my opinions, dear. Just pick what you want to. I'm just ventilating my view. Who cares! :lol:

Moony

10-07-2005, 06:41 PM

Well, hell I don't know what to do now! I love Nick Cave but do you reckon he has many fans on this board?
Hi :wavey: I'd call myself a casual fan though, cause I don't have much of his stuff. But gotta love that voice and his writing is just phenomenal.

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 06:47 PM

To be honest I'd find a Cave-Waits battle more appropriate.
And If you search for an opponent for Costello, I'd say: Joe Jackson would be fitting.

Is the goal really always to match up artists who make similar-sounding music, or did at one time, though? Many of the more interesting face-offs in this series have been the ones between artists who aren't terribly alike (this one, for instance).

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:49 PM

Oh I know that Gerald, it's just you left me all confused you crazy fool you! :D

I just want to give Costello a worthy opponent in terms of voting.

so joe jackson is no option? or even Stingk?

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 06:49 PM

Costello-Waits will be a 69-5 result.

For those who know Waits, Cave is known too.

Do you really think so? I think the likelihood of a blow-out is much more likely if you do Waits/Cave and (especially) Costello/Jackson.

Mari

10-07-2005, 06:50 PM

Stink, that was intentional, right?
if so, yes, he absolutely does.

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 06:51 PM

Tom Waits has more mainstream appeal than you think, I reckon, although I'm not sure I've seen anyone mention him on this board before, which makes me nervous to include him, genius that he is.

At the very least, most folks here probably know the Eagles' cover of "Ol' 55"...

Speaking of which... when do you dare, Sharon, and against whom?

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:53 PM

Do you really think so?
no. i'm a compulsive "notwhatIthinkposter". Everybody knows that.

besides. You can even put Billy Ray Cyrus against Costello and I'd vote for him.

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 06:56 PM

Stink, that was intentional, right?
if so, yes, he absolutely does.

no, mari, i hit totally unintentional two keys at the same time although there are two keys in between. :rolleyes:

ofcourse I did that on purpose

Mari

10-07-2005, 06:57 PM

you hate him that much? I must admit the last few years I lost my interest in him, but I still love Brutal Youth, All This Useless Beauty.. and lots of older stuff as well.

Mari

10-07-2005, 06:59 PM

don't be sarcastic on me, it's the middle of the night and that makes me more paranoid than usual :( ;)

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:01 PM

you hate him that much? I must admit the last few years I lost my interest in him, but I still love Brutal Youth, All This Useless Beauty.. and lots of older stuff as well.

His writing is superb. Still is. It's just that i don't believe him when I hear him sing. Same for Joe jackson and Nick Cave. I do hear quality but it's not touching any string. :shrug: And believe me, it's not a lack of sensibility over here. :laugh:

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:02 PM

don't be sarcastic on me, it's the middle of the night and that makes me more paranoid than usual :( ;)

Sorry love. didn't mean that at all.

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:05 PM

His writing is superb. Still is. It's just that i don't believe him when I hear him sing. Same for Joe jackson and Nick Cave. I do hear quality but it's not touching any string. :shrug: And believe me, it's not a lack of sensibility over here. :laugh:

Oh! very true! But there's soooo many artists you could say that about. I've no problem with EC, but could name some others (haha like Marah which you recommended.. love the music, but why can't he clear his throat?! sounds like a trick)

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 07:08 PM

His writing is superb. Still is. It's just that i don't believe him when I hear him sing.

He's an acerbic, sarcastic, pompous Brit. What's not to believe?

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:08 PM

Oh! very true! But there's soooo many artists you could say that about. I've no problem with EC, but could name some others (haha like Marah which you recommended.. love the music, but why can't he clear his throat?! sounds like a trick)

Hmmm I know what you mean, but in the case of Marah's Kids in Philly it just hits my soul. Some things are just onverklaarbaar. :shrug:

I go to bed.

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:11 PM

He's an acerbic, sarcastic, pompous Brit. What's not to believe?

you know what i mean. I hate those particular posts of yours.

Anbd now I AM going to bed.

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 07:13 PM

You know, I had completely forgotten about The Eagles, as I'm not a fan, but I imagine there are plenty here on this board.
Wow, any suggestions to go up against them would be great. I'd love to put them up against Gram and see him win, but I don't know how many people are familiar with Parsons on this board, which is such a shame.

Oh, don't do that to poor Gram, he couldn't possibly compete. Doesn't matter how superior his output is despite there being so much less of it...

Also, it seems somehow unfair to pit a band against an individual, though I think The Eagles v. Jackson Browne could be interesting. You could always just pit completely different tastes against each other and try The Eagles v. AC/DC... Actually, that could be amazing.

Who to pit against Gram, if he's to be included at all... You could do Burrito v. Byrds, but that might be a bit too incestuous.

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:14 PM

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:15 PM

He's an acerbic, sarcastic, pompous Brit. What's not to believe?

Yeah, he's honestly an a*hole. Better than one of those..
http://www.popzoot.de/shots/archiv/5897_1.jpg
m-m-m-must smile!!! must be liked!! arrtists.

Um. I think I need to go to sleep as well. welterusten!

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 07:15 PM

you know what i mean. I hate those particular posts of yours.

Says the one who answered my mitigating rhetorical question three posts back.

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 07:17 PM

Yeah, he's honestly an a*hole. Better than one of those..
http://www.popzoot.de/shots/archiv/5897_1.jpg

At least he'd likely be the first one to admit it!

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:20 PM

Says the one who answered my mitigating rhetorical question three posts back.

it's the tone. it's not the first time i experience that. Pity. You're intersted in music. And that's rare over here.

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:20 PM

either that means you like the video too or you really don't?

shackin'up

10-07-2005, 07:21 PM

Am I sad because I knew right away that pic was from Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun video?

No . Me too. And I'm not sad. But not asleep either. :mad:

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:22 PM

At least he'd likely be the first one to admit it!

That's what 'honest' implies, right?

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 07:23 PM

Am I sad because I knew right away that pic was from Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun video?

I'm sad if there's anybody here who doesn't know that that's from the "Black Hole Sun" video!

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:25 PM

With the eurocentrism vs americentrism discussion coming back here and there, that video just came to mind, somehow. All those fakey smiley people.. Hm, maybe I'd better stop before I'd offend someone :p

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:26 PM

We've already had The Byrds unfortunately. I might keep Gram out of this game though, as I know he'll lose and I just love him too damn much!

Just put him up against Billy Ray Cyrus, then.

Jyqm

10-07-2005, 07:26 PM

it's the tone. it's not the first time i experience that. Pity. You're intersted in music. And that's rare over here.

Should I promise not to make any more sarcastic quips about Elvis Costello's public persona?

I think you misinterpreted the joke as a slight against you somehow.

Mari

10-07-2005, 07:34 PM

You ought to post some pictures of them, then. I mean, Gram=Hot (was, sorry), that ought to help!

Oh no!! I just thought of something... Wasn't there a Billy Ray - Stevie connection? I think I have a picture of them together somewhere...
Ok. That one's off then. No Gram-Mullet face off! Cannot take the risk!

dissention

10-07-2005, 08:37 PM

dissention

10-07-2005, 08:39 PM

Yeah, he's honestly an a*hole. Better than one of those..
http://www.popzoot.de/shots/archiv/5897_1.jpg
m-m-m-must smile!!! must be liked!! arrtists.

Um. I think I need to go to sleep as well. welterusten!

Eek. It's Stevie at the age of 78 after her 1,293 visit to the plastic surgeon.

dissention

10-07-2005, 08:42 PM

We've already had The Byrds unfortunately. I might keep Gram out of this game though, as I know he'll lose and I just love him too damn much!

I hope you're going to include Jefferson Airplane in one of these upcoming match-ups. Maybe put them up against the pompous and oh so pretentious band that we call The Doors.

DavidMn

10-07-2005, 10:59 PM

sounds like my suggestin went well :nod:

shackin'up

10-08-2005, 05:24 AM

Indeed. I would say you should, if you want me to hear the music. Otherwise, I can't think of a reason.

I meant: why should I make an effort if you don't let me know what you think about it ( like with the D'n'C-song )? I consider that as very inpolite. Ooh. I knew it. It's that american selfcenterness that bothers me.

shackin'up

10-08-2005, 05:38 AM

I think you misinterpreted the joke as a slight against you somehow.

No jyqm, not a slight against me, but maybe I did misinterpret in this case. My remark was about the tone of some of your posts, not about this individual example. But you know what's going on on the other side of the world inside a human being. It's never your fault. The defense is your automatism. I don't care normally. But it's great if someone pops up who has a general interest in music, where you can relate to, but is an arrogant/ dominant asshole too. I was just giving some feedback. You can do something with it or glue it under your shoes. I don't care.

Jyqm

10-08-2005, 07:02 AM

No jyqm, not a slight against me, but maybe I did misinterpret in this case. My remark was about the tone of some of your posts, not about this individual example. But you know what's going on on the other side of the world inside a human being. It's never your fault. The defense is your automatism. I don't care normally. But it's great if someone pops up who has a general interest in music, where you can relate to, but is an arrogant/ dominant asshole too. I was just giving some feedback. You can do something with it or glue it under your shoes. I don't care.

I've been posting to Fleetwood Mac and other music message boards for... well, far too many years now. Some people initally find my tone jarring and arrogant; a few persist in feeling that way, but most get over it and realize never to take me too seriously, because I certainly don't take any of this too seriously. If you actually have a problem with something I write, bring it up with me, and I'll most likely apologize if I was being condescending or an asshole. In this case, I'm really not sure what tone you were reading into an off-hand joke about Elvis Costello being a sarcastic, pompous bastard.

You can continue playing the faux-humble European if you like, as I also don't care. But for the record, you're not on the other side of the world, at least from me. You're an 8-hour train ride, tops.