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Brwn_eyes0511
09-27-2005, 01:23 PM
Katrina Takes a Toll on Truth, News Accuracy

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rumors27sep27,0,5492806,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Rumors supplanted accurate information and media magnified the problem. Rapes, violence and estimates of the dead were wrong.

By Susannah Rosenblatt and James Rainey, Times Staff Writers

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BATON ROUGE, La. — Maj. Ed Bush recalled how he stood in the bed of a pickup truck in the days after Hurricane Katrina, struggling to help the crowd outside the Louisiana Superdome separate fact from fiction. Armed only with a megaphone and scant information, he might have been shouting into, well, a hurricane.

The National Guard spokesman's accounts about rescue efforts, water supplies and first aid all but disappeared amid the roar of a 24-hour rumor mill at New Orleans' main evacuation shelter. Then a frenzied media recycled and amplified many of the unverified reports.


"It just morphed into this mythical place where the most unthinkable deeds were being done," Bush said Monday of the Superdome.

His assessment is one of several in recent days to conclude that newspapers and television exaggerated criminal behavior in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, particularly at the overcrowded Superdome and Convention Center.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune on Monday described inflated body counts, unverified "rapes," and unconfirmed sniper attacks as among examples of "scores of myths about the dome and Convention Center treated as fact by evacuees, the media and even some of New Orleans' top officials."

Indeed, Mayor C. Ray Nagin told a national television audience on "Oprah" three weeks ago of people "in that frickin' Superdome for five days watching dead bodies, watching hooligans killing people, raping people."

Journalists and officials who have reviewed the Katrina disaster blamed the inaccurate reporting in large measure on the breakdown of telephone service, which prevented dissemination of accurate reports to those most in need of the information. Race may have also played a factor.

The wild rumors filled the vacuum and seemed to gain credence with each retelling — that an infant's body had been found in a trash can, that sharks from Lake Pontchartrain were swimming through the business district, that hundreds of bodies had been stacked in the Superdome basement.

"It doesn't take anything to start a rumor around here," Louisiana National Guard 2nd Lt. Lance Cagnolatti said at the height of the Superdome relief effort. "There's 20,000 people in here. Think when you were in high school. You whisper something in someone's ear. By the end of the day, everyone in school knows the rumor — and the rumor isn't the same thing it was when you started it."

Follow-up reporting has discredited reports of a 7-year-old being raped and murdered at the Superdome, roving bands of armed gang members attacking the helpless, and dozens of bodies being shoved into a freezer at the Convention Center.

Hyperbolic reporting spread through much of the media.

Fox News, a day before the major evacuation of the Superdome began, issued an "alert" as talk show host Alan Colmes reiterated reports of "robberies, rapes, carjackings, riots and murder. Violent gangs are roaming the streets at night, hidden by the cover of darkness."

The Los Angeles Times adopted a breathless tone the next day in its lead news story, reporting that National Guard troops "took positions on rooftops, scanning for snipers and armed mobs as seething crowds of refugees milled below, desperate to flee. Gunfire crackled in the distance."

The New York Times repeated some of the reports of violence and unrest, but the newspaper usually was more careful to note that the information could not be verified.

The tabloid Ottawa Sun reported unverified accounts of "a man seeking help gunned down by a National Guard soldier" and "a young man run down and then shot by a New Orleans police officer."

London's Evening Standard invoked the future-world fantasy film "Mad Max" to describe the scene and threw in a "Lord of the Flies" allusion for good measure.

Televised images and photographs affirmed the widespread devastation in one of America's most celebrated cities.

"I don't think you can overstate how big of a disaster New Orleans is," said Kelly McBride, ethics group leader at the Poynter Institute, a Florida school for professional journalists. "But you can imprecisely state the nature of the disaster. … Then you draw attention away from the real story, the magnitude of the destruction, and you kind of undermine the media's credibility."

Times-Picayune Editor Jim Amoss cited telephone breakdowns as a primary cause of reporting errors, but said the fact that most evacuees were poor African Americans also played a part.

"If the dome and Convention Center had harbored large numbers of middle class white people," Amoss said, "it would not have been a fertile ground for this kind of rumor-mongering."

Some of the hesitation that journalists might have had about using the more sordid reports from the evacuation centers probably fell away when New Orleans' top officials seemed to confirm the accounts.

Nagin and Police Chief Eddie Compass appeared on "Oprah" a few days after trouble at the Superdome had peaked.

Compass told of "the little babies getting raped" at the Superdome. And Nagin made his claim about hooligans raping and killing.

State officials this week said their counts of the dead at the city's two largest evacuation points fell far short of early rumors and news reports. Ten bodies were recovered from the Superdome and four from the Convention Center, said Bob Johannessen, spokesman for the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals.

(National Guard officials put the body count at the Superdome at six, saying the other four bodies came from the area around the stadium.)

Of the 841 recorded hurricane-related deaths in Louisiana, four are identified as gunshot victims, Johannessen said. One victim was found in the Superdome but was believed to have been brought there, and one was found at the Convention Center, he added.

Relief workers said that while the media hyped criminal activity, plenty of real suffering did occur at the Katrina relief centers.

"The hurricane had just passed, you had massive trauma to the city," said Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard.

"No air conditioning, no sewage … it was not a nice place to be. All those people just in there, they were frustrated, they were hot. Out of all that chaos, all of these rumors start flying."

Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron, who headed security at the Superdome, said that for every complaint, "49 other people said, 'Thank you, God bless you.' "

The media inaccuracies had consequences in the disaster zone.

Bush, of the National Guard, said that reports of corpses at the Superdome filtered back to the facility via AM radio, undermining his struggle to keep morale up and maintain order.

"We had to convince people this was still the best place to be," Bush said. "What I saw in the Superdome was just tremendous amounts of people helping people."

But, Bush said, those stories received scant attention in newspapers or on television.

Times staff writer Scott Gold contributed to this report.

dissention
09-27-2005, 01:38 PM
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That is the best thing you've ever posted.

Now reward me and buy me this:

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Brwn_eyes0511
09-27-2005, 01:49 PM
That is the best thing you've ever posted.

Now reward me and buy me this:

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THEY ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE!!!! :lol:

Sure man I'll buy it for you! But you have to buy me this...

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ShangriLaTroubl
09-27-2005, 02:23 PM
THEY ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE!!!! :lol:

Sure man I'll buy it for you! But you have to buy me this...

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That shirt to me actually looks like an anti Ann shirt..maybe not ?

Chris

dissention
09-27-2005, 02:25 PM
That shirt to me actually looks like an anti Ann shirt..maybe not ?

Chris

It's from this site, so it's not anti-Ann.

http://www.thoseshirts.com/

Notice that monstrosity Michelle Malkin at the bottom of the page.

SuzeQuze
09-27-2005, 02:44 PM
It's from this site, so it's not anti-Ann.

http://www.thoseshirts.com/

Notice that monstrosity Michelle Malkin at the bottom of the page.

Is Ann proud of that shirt? :eek: Heinous!

ShangriLaTroubl
09-27-2005, 02:52 PM
Speaking of possible 08 candidates lately...Maybe the Republicans should nom. Ann?? Wouldnt that be exciting...I really would love it.

Chris

SuzeQuze
09-27-2005, 03:03 PM
Speaking of possible 08 candidates lately...Maybe the Republicans should nom. Ann?? Wouldnt that be exciting...I really would love it.

Chris

Yes, that would be a hoot! :]

dissention
09-27-2005, 03:05 PM
Yes, that would be a hoot! :]

It would be like watching a one-legged man in an asskicking contest. :laugh:

SuzeQuze
09-27-2005, 03:07 PM
It would be like watching a one-legged man in an asskicking contest. :laugh:

I can picture Ann and John Edwards in a debate. :shocked: She is smarter than Dumbya though and so will be better at hiding the earpiece!

JazmenFlowers
09-27-2005, 03:57 PM
That shirt to me actually looks like an anti Ann shirt..maybe not ?

Chris


I love how a lot of her pictures have her with tossled hair and this weird drug ho look on her face...:lol:

(no offense BRWNEYES)

Brwn_eyes0511
09-27-2005, 10:33 PM
Is Ann proud of that shirt? :eek: Heinous!

Of course. Why would she ever take back that statement?

As Ann tells Ms. Katie "Sunshine" Couric...

"Well, point one and point two, by the end of the week, had become official government policy. As for converting them to Christianity, I think it might be a good idea to get them on some sort of hobby other than slaughtering infidels. I mean, perhaps that's the Peace Corps, perhaps it's working for Planned Parenthood, but I've never seen the transforming effect of anything like Christianity."

Brwn_eyes0511
09-27-2005, 10:34 PM
I love how a lot of her pictures have her with tossled hair and this weird drug ho look on her face...:lol:

(no offense BRWNEYES)

No offense taken...you are entitled to your opinion! :nod:

macfanken
09-27-2005, 10:44 PM
Of course. Why would she ever take back that statement?


I always thought right-wingers wanted to take us back to the 1950s... based on Ann's statement, I think they really want to take us back to medieval times! :shocked:

dissention
09-27-2005, 10:47 PM
I always thought right-wingers wanted to take us back to the 1950s... based on Ann's statement, I think they really want to take us back to medieval times! :shocked:

Well, she wants to bring back public flogging for children and doesn't think women should vote. :shrug:

DownOnRodeo
09-28-2005, 02:45 AM
As for converting them to Christianity, I think it might be a good idea to get them on some sort of hobby other than slaughtering infidels.

Funny, I thought that was Christianity's hobby (not so much these days, of course).

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 02:58 AM
Funny, I thought that was Christianity's hobby (not so much these days, of course).

:rolleyes: yea.

DownOnRodeo
09-28-2005, 03:07 AM
:rolleyes: yea.

Touche. :sorry:

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 07:10 AM
Touche. :sorry:

Well, obviously Ann knows nothing of Islam which has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is born of hopelessness, the poor and lost are recruited and brainwashed to hate. This is NOT Islam. Therefore there is no "logical" reason to convert the middle east to Christianity. Plus terrorism doesn't have a "country" to invade, the terrorists are mostly unwelcome. But killing the leaders of terrorists? Yes, that I support - only if capturing them is impossible.

GateandGarden
09-28-2005, 07:51 AM
Well, obviously Ann knows nothing of Islam which has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is born of hopelessness, the poor and lost are recruited and brainwashed to hate. This is NOT Islam. Therefore there is no "logical" reason to convert the middle east to Christianity. Plus terrorism doesn't have a "country" to invade, the terrorists are mostly unwelcome. But killing the leaders of terrorists? Yes, that I support - only if capturing them is impossible.I was about to say all of that and you did it much better than I was going to. :nod:

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 09:43 AM
Touche. :sorry:

no no no! :xoxo:

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 11:16 AM
Well, obviously Ann knows nothing of Islam which has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is born of hopelessness, the poor and lost are recruited and brainwashed to hate. This is NOT Islam. Therefore there is no "logical" reason to convert the middle east to Christianity. Plus terrorism doesn't have a "country" to invade, the terrorists are mostly unwelcome. But killing the leaders of terrorists? Yes, that I support - only if capturing them is impossible.

Which just really goes to show that, yet again, you aren't really getting the POINT!

If you agree with killing their leaders, then it is a given that you agree with point one (invading their countries)...as for converting them to Christianity...I think that it is pretty clear that a conversion of some kind MUST take place. Whether that conversion is to true Islam or to Christianity...I don't really think it matters! And if you don't think that "terrorism doesn't have a country to invade" then you haven't been paying attention! But I don't think Ann was targeting all Islamic people as terrorist! I mean for God sakes the woman was dating an Islamic when she wrote that column on September 13!

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 11:20 AM
Which just really goes to show that, yet again, you aren't really getting the POINT!

If you agree with killing their leaders, then it is a given that you agree with point one (invading their countries)...as for converting them to Christianity...I think that it is pretty clear that a conversion of some kind MUST take place. Whether that conversion is to true Islam or to Christianity...I don't really think it matters! And if you don't think that "terrorism doesn't have a country to invade" then you haven't been paying attention! But I don't think Ann was targeting all Islamic people as terrorist! I mean for God sakes the woman was dating an Islamic when she wrote that column on September 13!

Well, "an Islamic" would be a Muslim. Believe me, I get the point completely. Did the Muslim promptly dump her? Plus, I most certainly have been paying attention. I do see both side of the issue and I choose mine. I would suspect that you don't see the point of our side.

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 11:25 AM
Well, "an Islamic" would be a Muslim. Believe me, I get the point completely. Did the Muslim promptly dump her? Plus, I most certainly have been paying attention. I do see both side of the issue and I choose mine. I would suspect that you don't see the point of our side.

Well besides the fact that your side has no "point"...I guess not.

And no they continued to date for another year or so. It's funny because she would speak at colleges or wherever and these people would be shouting on and on about she hated Muslims...yet there in the front row would be her Muslim boyfriend! She never even thought of bringing that up...even though he told her that she should to shut them up...she said that it never even entered her mind. I guess she feels that you don't have to have a "live experience" to make a point, meaning...regardless of the fact that she had a Muslim boyfriend...her point was still the same.

wondergirl9847
09-28-2005, 11:27 AM
...and doesn't think women should vote. :shrug:

Why not? :confused:

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 11:35 AM
Well besides the fact that your side has no "point"...I guess not.

And no they continued to date for another year or so. It's funny because she would speak at colleges or wherever and these people would be shouting on and on about she hated Muslims...yet there in the front row would be her Muslim boyfriend! She never even thought of bringing that up...even though he told her that she should to shut them up...she said that it never even entered her mind. I guess she feels that you don't have to have a "live experience" to make a point, meaning...regardless of the fact that she had a Muslim boyfriend...her point was still the same.

We have a point that apparently just goes whoosh overhead for you. What a shame.

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 11:36 AM
We have a point that apparently just goes whoosh overhead for you. What a shame.

Lots of other hear the woosh too! :nod:

dissention
09-28-2005, 11:39 AM
Why not? :confused:

You'll have to ask her.

"I think women should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 11:55 AM
Lots of other hear the woosh too! :nod:

Apparently so. :rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 12:39 PM
You'll have to ask her.

"I think women should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001

DEAR GOD I love that women! I'm not saying I agree with her on this issue...but still...DEAR GOD I love that woman!

And today was SOO Ann day!

HOW TO TALK TO A LIBERAL (IF YOU MUST) IN PAPERBACK - BOOK TOUR: WED: FOX AND FRIENDS 8:20AM DAYSIDE WITH MIKE JARRET AND JULIET HUDDY SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY

dissention
09-28-2005, 12:42 PM
DEAR GOD I love that women! I'm not saying I agree with her on this issue...but still...DEAR GOD I love that woman!

That's because you're a fool and I expect nothing less from you.

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 12:43 PM
That's because you're a fool and I expect nothing less from you.

oh my dear boy! :xoxo:

WildInTheWind
09-28-2005, 12:48 PM
You'll have to ask her.

"I think women should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001

:shocked: Woa this bitch is sick!!!

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 12:52 PM
:shocked: Woa this bitch is sick!!!

score 2 for Ann! :laugh:

WildInTheWind
09-28-2005, 12:53 PM
score 2 for Ann! :laugh:
Umm...that's not a good thing.

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 12:53 PM
Umm...that's not a good thing.

:laugh: oh yes it is! :laugh:

WildInTheWind
09-28-2005, 12:57 PM
:laugh: oh yes it is! :laugh:

Well I guess if her point is to be totally offensive to women it is. :shrug: I personally do not like people talking about me like I am some kind of fool who can't decide who I want to run my country, someone who only knows how to spend money? That's f*cked up.

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 01:00 PM
Well I guess if her point is to be totally offensive to women it is. :shrug: I personally do not like people talking about me like I am some kind of fool who can't decide who I want to run my country, someone who only knows how to spend money? That's f*cked up.

Well you know you are free to feel that way, just as she is free to feel the way that she does about the issue. And you know her being a woman too, makes it even more sweet! :laugh:

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 01:27 PM
Well you know you are free to feel that way, just as she is free to feel the way that she does about the issue. And you know her being a woman too, makes it even more sweet! :laugh:

Hardy har har Mr. Master-baiter.

seeker007nmss
09-28-2005, 01:33 PM
What I enjoyed the most about the media was all the names:


Coming to you from:



Huricanne Central
Huricanne Control Center
Huricanne Command
Keeping our eyes on the skies here at Your Huricanne headquarters Channel 8 news

*sigh*

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 01:34 PM
What I enjoyed the most about the media was all the names:


Coming to you from:


Huricanne Central
Huricanne Control Center
Huricanne Command
Keeping our eyes on the skies here at Your Huricanne headquarters Channel 8 news

*sigh*

Yes, the sensationalism was pretty disgusting. Often reporters appeared inappropriately excited.

wondergirl9847
09-28-2005, 07:56 PM
"I think women should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001

Women have no capacity to understand how money is earned? WTH?

Yes, more money for education because there are children in this country who can't even read, write, spell or do basic math in their heads.

strandinthewind
09-28-2005, 07:59 PM
That's because you're a fool and I expect nothing less from you.


Hey - did ya see this :wavey:

Here is the deal on the person known as Brown Eyes - He likes to post things to piss people off. he does not care to discuss them. Moreover, when he does discuss them, he cajoles people into thinking he is serious and then attacks them and then later acts like a victim. So, be warned before responding to this trip - it is a trap.

For instance, he admitted in the Carter/Gore thread that he posts to piss people off and cares not if people respect him or apparently if they take him seriously. Thus, he is by my understanding of the definition, a troll in that regard.

To wit:

Yea hello, I never "swore" off pissing liberals off...that really is the point right? I just said that I would be more "gentle" in my pissing off approach!

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...589&page=5&pp=3

Do you honestly think that I come here, to gain respect from you guys and to appear as a genius? Of course I am going to look like an idiot! Let’s take a look at the people I’m surrounded by here. One "right-winger" amongst many, many "left-wingers" is not going to be well liked! If you think I'm on a desperate mission to seek the approval of those whom I do not even know...you really have no clue.

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...?t=22589&page=3

Yet, he then said, quite inexplicably IMO:

Never presented myself as a victim, just simply stated that I wasn't being taken seriously. Not mad about it. Not crying over it. Just said it was pointless!

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...89&page=5&pp=15

Then - to the contray of his whining about not being taken seriously:

Again, I don't really care what anyone here thinks of me, hence the "I'm not here to gain respect" reference above. Silly rabbit...

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...89&page=5&pp=15

To be fair, the whole thread should be read for a better concept of the context.

_______________________________________________

Ahhhh speading the love :cool:

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 08:01 PM
Hey - did ya see this :wavey:

Here is the deal on the person known as Brown Eyes - He likes to post things to piss people off. he does not care to discuss them. Moreover, when he does discuss them, he cajoles people into thinking he is serious and then attacks them and then later acts like a victim. So, be warned before responding to this trip - it is a trap.

For instance, he admitted in the Carter/Gore thread that he posts to piss people off and cares not if people respect him or apparently if they take him seriously. Thus, he is by my understanding of the definition, a troll in that regard.

To wit:

Yea hello, I never "swore" off pissing liberals off...that really is the point right? I just said that I would be more "gentle" in my pissing off approach!

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...589&page=5&pp=3

Do you honestly think that I come here, to gain respect from you guys and to appear as a genius? Of course I am going to look like an idiot! Let’s take a look at the people I’m surrounded by here. One "right-winger" amongst many, many "left-wingers" is not going to be well liked! If you think I'm on a desperate mission to seek the approval of those whom I do not even know...you really have no clue.

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...?t=22589&page=3

Yet, he then said, quite inexplicably IMO:

Never presented myself as a victim, just simply stated that I wasn't being taken seriously. Not mad about it. Not crying over it. Just said it was pointless!

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...89&page=5&pp=15

Then - to the contray of his whining about not being taken seriously:

Again, I don't really care what anyone here thinks of me, hence the "I'm not here to gain respect" reference above. Silly rabbit...

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/s...89&page=5&pp=15

To be fair, the whole thread should be read for a better concept of the context.

_______________________________________________

Ahhhh speading the love :cool:

Ok I believe diss. is pretty well aware of where I stand.

You are beginning to look like a redundant fool here.

macfanken
09-28-2005, 08:06 PM
Well you know you are free to feel that way, just as she is free to feel the way that she does about the issue. And you know her being a woman too, makes it even more sweet! :laugh:

No, it makes her look like a self-loathing fool. I realize most of what she spews is supposed to shock people but this just makes her look pathetic.

Brwn_eyes0511
09-28-2005, 08:11 PM
No, it makes her look like a self-loathing fool. I realize most of what she spews is supposed to shock people but this just makes her look pathetic.

to you..........

SuzeQuze
09-28-2005, 08:49 PM
No, it makes her look like a self-loathing fool. I realize most of what she spews is supposed to shock people but this just makes her look pathetic.

Plus it doesn't surprise me given she is as nurturing as a cactus. Why would the children need money for schools?

sara1998
09-28-2005, 09:07 PM
You'll have to ask her.

"I think women should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001

Someone needs to spay her and make certain she never breeds...

strandinthewind
09-28-2005, 09:09 PM
Someone needs to spay her and make certain she never breeds...


Well, considering Ann the Mann has no ovaries :laugh:

Seriously, I bet she'd be the first to have an abortion if some kid would interfer with her career of hate.

sara1998
09-28-2005, 09:10 PM
Plus it doesn't surprise me given she is as nurturing as a cactus. Why would the children need money for schools?
For the same reason they want the unwanted to be born...... :shrug:

sara1998
09-28-2005, 09:13 PM
Well, considering Ann the Mann has no ovaries :laugh:

Seriously, I bet she'd be the first to have an abortion if some kid would interfer with her career of hate.
sounds like she has penis envy....