Who Shuns FM Albums With No Lindsey/Stevie In Them?

[LongBlackScarf]

Anyone care to fess up? Do you dare? :D

[jwd]

ARE YOU KIDDING?! What morons would deprive themselves of so much fantastic music? ;)

[markolas]

:D

I don't shun them. I bought Then Play On & Bare Trees out of curiosity. But I'm a Stevie fan above all else. I enjoy the Peter Green blues stuff, but the Bob Welch-era stuff is just "blah" to me. :sorry:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Wait, you mean there are Fleetwood Mac albums without Stevie and Lindsey on them? what would be the point of that? ;)

[Jyqm]

Anyone care to fess up? Do you dare? :D

For my own mental health and the sake remaining even a quasi-nice person, I'm going to stop reading this thread right now.

[WildInTheWind]

I don't shun them, but I am not as familiar with them. I like the pre S&L....but I will admit, I don't like the post. I like the very early Peter Green FM the best out of the non S&L line up. Bare Trees is great, too. Other than that I don't know much. I was a Stevie fan before a FM fan, but I'm coming along!

[Miss Vicky]

Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks are not the be-all end-all of Fleetwood Mac that some people like to fantasize about.

I? Not only do not shun non Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums, but am quite fond of several of them. Then Play On, Bare Trees, Behind the Mask, and Time all rank higher on my list than several Buckingham Nicks era Fleetwood Mac albums, INCLUDING RUMOURS. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

I'm not a huge fan of the blues, so I'm not really into the Peter Green era so much, but I love Bob Welch, Danny Kirwan, Rick Vito, Bekka Bramlett, and especially Billy Burnette.

[mylittledemon]

I admit, in general I shun them. I like them in a different way. It's a different band to me. Totally different sound other than the staples in the rhythm section. I know ChiliD will be rolling over in his pre-grave at that comment, but I just don't dig the early stuff. There's some good songs and some great muscianship but I prefer the 1975 to current stuff (minus the Time era). I guess it's kind of like somebody enjoying the newer 3 Star Wars movies better than the original 3. Or...something like that.

[mylittledemon]

Time ranks higher on my list than several Buckingham Nicks era Fleetwood Mac albums, INCLUDING RUMOURS.



ROFL! They are selling some GOOOOOOOD crack rock out in Cali these days!

[Miss Vicky]

ROFL! They are selling some GOOOOOOOD crack rock out in Cali these days!

Actually, to tell the truth, I don't like Rumours. Period. The studio versions of those songs just don't do a whole hellavu lot for me. Now, if you were to take live recordings of each of them and put those on a disc, I'd love it - but the actual album does nothing but collect dust in my house.

[David]

I admit, in general I shun them. I like them in a different way. It's a different band to me. Totally different sound other than the staples in the rhythm section. I know ChiliD will be rolling over in his pre-grave at that comment, but I just don't dig the early stuff.That wouldn't bother him at all, nor should it. Why would it bother him that you heard some music by Kirwan or Green or Welch & didn't like it? There are undoubtedly other bands whose music you like that he doesn't. Taste varies. That's a fact of life -- who would let himself be bothered by that? How silly.

What irks Steve is the myopia some Fleetwood Mac fans have: the ones who a priori assume that Fleetwood Mac albums without Stevie Buckingham or Lindsey Nicks -- or even Peter Green -- can't possibly be any good or of any use to anyone. He deplores the fans who blithely & arrogantly say that Fleetwood Mac came into being only in 1975, & that its artistic stature was a function only of its commercial windfall in the United States -- thus eliminating any artistic achievements from incarnations earlier than 1975 or later than 1987.

I don't usually speak for Steve, but I've discussed this with him so thoroughly that I feel I know where he stands.

[Miss Vicky]

Stevie Buckingham or Lindsey Nicks

WTF? :confused:

[David]

I'm not a huge fan of the blues, so I'm not really into the Peter Green era so much, but I love Bob Welch, Danny Kirwan, Rick Vito, Bekka Bramlett, and especially Billy Burnette.I don't dig much blues rock, either, but there's something about early Fleetwood Mac that hits me. I take my "Jumping at Shadows" CDs on the road with me often; I really get into it. But otherwise, I don't listen to much blues rock, although I adore blues from earlier decades. One of the first CDs I ever bought was a Bessie Smith "Empress of the Blues" CD.

[Sahara]

Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks are not the be-all end-all of Fleetwood Mac that some people like to fantasize about.

That's true. But at the same time ... :sorry:

I don't like any of the Pre-Rumours line up stuff. I bought Bare Trees but I didn't like it. Maybe blues aren't just my thing. I got the Buckingham-less Behind the Mask and did enjoy it, but I don't properly regard it as a good album ... which isn't really fair, but that's the way I think. I agree with mylittledemon -- it is a different band to me.

I put off buying the Tango in the Night DVD for ages and ages until about two weeks ago when I finally went into the record shop and got it. Every time Rick and Billy came on the screen my heart burned with a sort of "How dare they try and replace Lindsey?!" contempt. If I'm being fair, they were pretty good. If I'm being honest, it just wasn't the same without Lindsey. I scrutinised their every move and gave out about them to myself constantly.

Although the TITN DVD was admittedly brilliant. The filming, the songs, everything. Everything about it was perfect except for the fact that Lindsey wasn't there. I guess I'm just bitter because Tango is my favourite Mac album, and Lindsey not being there for the tour robbed me of the chance to see his brilliant Tango songs like Big Love [the original version], Caroline and Tango in the Night done live. I would KILL to see Tango in the Night live.

I haven't heard any of the Stevie-less stuff and I don't really intend to...
:sorry:

[Miss Vicky]

"How dare they try and replace Lindsey?!"

Were they just supposed to throw in the towel? Dig themselves a grave? Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Lindsey fan, but Fleetwood Mac neither began when he joined nor ended when he left - just like the guitarists that came before him and those who came in his wake.
Also, from what I understand, the band had already booked shows for the tour before Lindsey quit and so were probably contractually obligated to appear, with or without Mr. Buckingham.

[markolas]

That's true. But at the same time ... :sorry:

I don't like any of the Pre-Rumours line up stuff. I bought Bare Trees but I didn't like it. Maybe blues aren't just my thing.

Eww...Bare Trees isn't blues. :D

[gldstwmn]

I don't shun them. :shrug: I listen to boots a lot more now and the majority of those include Buckingham Nicks so...

[Jyqm]

I don't dig much blues rock, either, but there's something about early Fleetwood Mac that hits me. I take my "Jumping at Shadows" CDs on the road with me often; I really get into it. But otherwise, I don't listen to much blues rock, although I adore blues from earlier decades. One of the first CDs I ever bought was a Bessie Smith "Empress of the Blues" CD.

Same here, David. I'm not that into Clapton or other blues rock heroes, and I don't listen to very much Zeppelin anymore, but I do really enjoy pre-rock blues, especially stuff like Lightnin' Hopkins. The Green/Spencer/Kirwan incarnations of Fleetwood Mac are the huge exceptions to the rule, especially the live stuff. Can't get enough of it. There's just some beautiful, passionate stuff there, and I even love a lot of Spencer's sillier stuff (especially on the BBC CDs).

I don't own the Jumping at Shadows compilation - is it worth getting if I already have the two Vaudeville Years collections?

[Jyqm]

I agree with mylittledemon -- it is a different band to me.

I would imagine that everyone could agree on this point, especially concerning the 67-70 and 75-87 periods. They're the same band in name only, and I don't think anyone would really claim otherwise.

[golddustwoman77]

Personally, I don't see how you could shun the previous eras! :shrug: Without the previous eras, there is no Fleetwood Mac with or without Lindsey and Stevie. The previous eras was important in making the band who it is today. Also, there is unbelieveable music to be heard from the previous eras. Who could shun Bare Trees, or songs like "Oh Well," "Rattlesnake Shake," "Black Magic Woman," "Albatross," "Shake Your Moneymaker," etc.! IMO, that would be crazy! :]

[catinthedark]

I would imagine that everyone could agree on this point, especially concerning the 67-70 and 75-87 periods. They're the same band in name only, and I don't think anyone would really claim otherwise.

I would completely agree with this. The fact that I am a fan of the 75-87 and 97-present incarnation does not mean I shun the pre-75 incarnations. I simply don't care for the music as much ( I do own and like Bare Trees). But I just don't care for it on the whole any more than I care for... I don't know... Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, etc. etc. It's just a question of taste. I don't believe that Fleetwood Mac began in 1975. Not by any stretch. (However, I don't really believe that the Time line up was truly Fleetwood Mac, but again, that's just me. I think it's because I perceive that they were trying to be the 75-87 incarnation, whereas when Stevie and Lindsey joined, the band was not simply trying to imitate earlier incarnations. They created a new sound).

Anyway. I think it does all come down to personal taste. Fans of Van Halen might say the same about the David Lee Roth days. Same band? It's all a matter of taste. But just because you don't care for one line up, doesn't mean you're shunning them or narrow minded.

[Miss Vicky]

However, I don't really believe that the Time line up was truly Fleetwood Mac, but again, that's just me. I think it's because I perceive that they were trying to be the 75-87 incarnation, whereas when Stevie and Lindsey joined, the band was not simply trying to imitate earlier incarnations. They created a new sound.

I really don't see the similarities between the sound of the Time lineup and that of the Rumours lineup. I also don't see why people think that Burnette/Bramlett/Mason/McVie is somehow faux Fleetwood Mac. If they aren't truly Fleetwood Mac, then what is? As for creating a new sound just what exactly were they supposed to do with it?

In any case, the sound of the band can be largely blamed on Mick Fleetwood. I seem to recall Burnette saying that he and Bramlett were sort of reined in and not allowed to be their true musical selves because they were too country. (Which doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me... why hire country musicians if you don't want a country sound?)

[Sahara]

Were they just supposed to throw in the towel? Dig themselves a grave? Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Lindsey fan, but Fleetwood Mac neither began when he joined nor ended when he left - just like the guitarists that came before him and those who came in his wake.
Also, from what I understand, the band had already booked shows for the tour before Lindsey quit and so were probably contractually obligated to appear, with or without Mr. Buckingham.

Oh I know that. I know all of that! I just love him too much ... :shrug: He's just wonderful! *sobs of adoration*

[Sahara]

Were they just supposed to throw in the towel? Dig themselves a grave? Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Lindsey fan, but Fleetwood Mac neither began when he joined nor ended when he left - just like the guitarists that came before him and those who came in his wake.
Also, from what I understand, the band had already booked shows for the tour before Lindsey quit and so were probably contractually obligated to appear, with or without Mr. Buckingham.

Oh I know that. I know all of that! I just can't get used to the band without him, you know? I just love him too much ... :shrug: He's just wonderful! *sobs of adoration*

[Miss Vicky]

Oh I know that. I know all of that! I just love him too much ... :shrug: He's just wonderful! *sobs of adoration*

Sorry, I get a little defensive over Billy Burnette. I'm not big on his solo material from the 70s but I adore everything from the 80s forward (well... except for the movies. He really should just stick with music. Acting is not his forte). I think he's a gifted songwriter and I really like his voice.

[catinthedark]

I also don't see why people think that Burnette/Bramlett/Mason/McVie is somehow faux Fleetwood Mac...

In any case, the sound of the band can be largely blamed on Mick Fleetwood. I seem to recall Burnette saying that he and Bramlett were sort of reined in and not allowed to be their true musical selves because they were too country. (Which doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me... why hire country musicians if you don't want a country sound?)

I think you have a point. I think the perception I have of the Time band is that Mick was trying to create a Stevie-Lindsey "cover band" - maybe my perception is wrong. I fully admit it could be. I don't own the Time album, and I didn't go see them in concert. Once Stevie was gone, after already losing Lindsey, my main reasons for loving Fleetwood Mac were gone. I certainly didn't want to hear anyone singing or playing their songs. So it sort of has created a mental block in my head.

I did see the band on the TITN tour. Stevie saved that tour for me, but it was nothing like seeing the band with Lindsey. I personally just don't care for Rick and Billy as well. I don't like hearing them playing or singing Lindsey's songs. Their own stuff - absolutely - go for it. I just don't care for their stuff, so I don't listen to it. I don't really like any of the Behind the Mask album, to be honest. I have tried and tried. I just don't. :sorry:

[Lindsey Jr.]

Of course I can listen to Christine's songs, some of them are really great, and Mick is a cool drummer, but LB/SN are my number ones!

Never heard Time or behind the mask. I also like the Peter Green era, but as a "normal" listener.

And I still think that John is way way underrated!

[Sahara]

And I still think that John is way way underrated!

He absolutely is. Greetings from the Creepy Little John Fangirl! :laugh:

I love the picture of Lindsey in your signature by the way. Weird but highly hilarious.

Sorry, I get a little defensive over Billy Burnette. I'm not big on his solo material from the 70s but I adore everything from the 80s forward (well... except for the movies. He really should just stick with music. Acting is not his forte). I think he's a gifted songwriter and I really like his voice.

I didn't know he had a solo career. Or an acting career. I don't mind Rick and Billy's stuff but as part of Fleetwood Mac ... 'nuff said.

Although I must say, I didn't miss Christine much on SYW. That's mean I know. But true. :sorry:

[Lindsey Jr.]

[QUOTE=Sahara]He absolutely is. Greetings from the Creepy Little John Fangirl! :laugh:

I love the picture of Lindsey in your signature by the way. Weird but highly hilarious.


Thx! :wavey: Yeah, John's great to say the least!
Sahara, maybe you can help me:

Lindsey said that "you don't tell John what to play", I'm almost sure I read it somewhere, but I wanna be REALLY sure ;) :wavey:

[Miss Vicky]

I didn't know he had a solo career. Or an acting career. I don't mind Rick and Billy's stuff but as part of Fleetwood Mac ... 'nuff said.



Billy's been making music professionally since he was a kid. His father is Rockabilly pioneer Dorsey Burnette (in fact, the term "Rockabilly" was coined by his father and is a combination of Billy's name and that of his cousin, Rocky). His last solo album (unless I've missed something) was 2000's "Are You With Me Baby." More recently he's worked as part of John Fogerty's touring band.
As for the movies, they've mostly been B movies and straight to video sequels. He starred in a B "erotic thriller" called Saturday Night Special which is so bad it's actually quite funny (and has a cameo by Mick Fleetwood), a horror movie called Not Like Us (which I've never managed to get past the first 10 minutes of), and had small roles in Carnosaur 3, Richie Rich's Christmas Wish, Casper Meets Wendy, and Addam's Family Reunion.

[mylittledemon]

Personally I think Burnette is a great guitar player and that's about it. I really dislike his vocals and his songwriting.

[goldie]

Anyone care to fess up? Do you dare? :D

raises hand :wavey:


Except I do like some of Christine's pre S&L FM songs. But I don't own any FM albums without S&L on them.

[Jyqm]

In any case, the sound of the band can be largely blamed on Mick Fleetwood. I seem to recall Burnette saying that he and Bramlett were sort of reined in and not allowed to be their true musical selves because they were too country. (Which doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me... why hire country musicians if you don't want a country sound?)

Indeed, what a squandered opportunity. Mid-90s Fleetwood Mac as a country band could have been pretty neat.

[Jyqm]

I think you have a point. I think the perception I have of the Time band is that Mick was trying to create a Stevie-Lindsey "cover band" - maybe my perception is wrong. I fully admit it could be. I don't own the Time album, and I didn't go see them in concert.

I think your perception is wrong. Neither Bekka nor Billy nor Dave were really attempting to be Stevie/Lindsey imitators on the album, and in concert, I don't think the setlists were totally dominated by Lindsey/Stevie songs.

[Jyqm]

I also like the Peter Green era, but as a "normal" listener.

I don't think i understand what you been by this. "Normal" as opposed to what?

[catinthedark]

I think your perception is wrong. Neither Bekka nor Billy nor Dave were really attempting to be Stevie/Lindsey imitators on the album, and in concert, I don't think the setlists were totally dominated by Lindsey/Stevie songs.


Fair enough. :wavey: I'll take your word on it because I haven't heard them - but I also have no desire to hear them. :laugh:

[WildInTheWind]

I don't think i understand what you been by this. "Normal" as opposed to what?

I understand it. "Normal" as in a casual fan opposed to a die hard fan. I would consider myself a casual fan of the pre S&L, a diehard fan of the S&L eras.

[WildInTheWind]

Fair enough. :wavey: I'll take your word on it because I haven't heard them - but I also have no desire to hear them. :laugh:


Me neither. The little I have heard was enough to know it wasn't for me.

[Miss Vicky]

Indeed, what a squandered opportunity. Mid-90s Fleetwood Mac as a country band could have been pretty neat.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic.

But just for the record, I wouldn't have wanted FM to go country (I actually don't like most country music), I just don't think that the sound of the band during that time can be blamed on the newcomers.

[Richard B]

I would imagine that everyone could agree on this point, especially concerning the 67-70 and 75-87 periods. They're the same band in name only, and I don't think anyone would really claim otherwise.
I find the rhythm section (Mick & John) keep all the years connected for me. That has been the heart of the band since 1967. You can hear it throughout all the personnel changes of the band. The one true element, Mick and John, that same thumping rhythm.

I love all the incarnations of FM, which began to wain after Time.

[Karlie]

Anyone care to fess up? Do you dare? :D

I took all of Bekka's songs out of my iTunes. She annoys me. I actually like Billy, though.

[wondergirl9847]

Danny is my 3rd fave member of FM and I love his stuff to death. I'm not into the Billy/Rick or Time lineups. I don't have Time, but do have BTM. It's alright. Since I'm an LB fan first, of course I love the incarnations with him the most. Love me some Bob Welch and Peter Green too.

Discovering FM is like going on a journey....you go back and hear the roots and follow them through to SYW.

*Gag*

Sorry about that whole journey thing. :laugh:

[bretonbanquet]

I bought Bare Trees but I didn't like it. Maybe blues aren't just my thing.

Not that 'Bare Trees' has anything to do with the blues :wavey:

:xoxo:

[danax6]

I am rather fond of blues music so I do listen to (and own!) some of the pre-S&L stuff, but I have to be honest and say that everything with S&L in it ranks fire higher than the rest. The BTM album is okay, there are songs on there that I enjoy, but I absolutely cannot listen to the Time album. :sorry:

As for the TITN dvd... I enjoy it. As much as it pains me to see Lindsey replaced, I think they got pretty decent guitar players to do the job and they didn't dare touch any of Lindsey's songs, so that's good. (And it's got Oh Well!) I, too, would have killed to see Tango in the Night done live though. That's part of the reason why it pains me...so many missed opportunities!

So, no, I don't shun anything S&L less, but I do prefer Fleetwood Mac with them in it. :)

[amber]

I shun. But not actively. I probably wouldn't buy the pre BN cd's, but then, I don't even have Lindsey's CD's. I just don't buy many CD's in general. Someone gave me Then Play On, and I listened - it's pretty good, but not a style I love. I listen to it very occasionally. I would like to have some of the pre bn just to see what ol' Christine was up to at the time.
Since my main addiction is Stevie's voice, well...that basically explains it....I do love great band work as well, though.

[Nicksluvver]

I will admit to only being a fan of the S/L lineup of FM !!

[WildInTheWind]

I am rather fond of blues music so I do listen to (and own!) some of the pre-S&L stuff,

I like blues, too. The only pre S&L that I have is Bare Trees on vinyl and the disc on the Chain boxset with all the older stuff (which I love and am listening to right now). I would actually like to get some of the more bluesy stuff...any suggestions?

[Jyqm]

Fair enough. :wavey: I'll take your word on it because I haven't heard them - but I also have no desire to hear them. :laugh:

Now this I don't understand. I first became a fan of Fleetwood Mac when The Dance came out, and very quickly bought all of the Rumours-era albums. When I realized that there was a lot more out there, and that Fleetwood Mac had in fact been a number of different bands, I couldn't wait to get my hands on that stuff, too. I was really interested to hear what the different incarnations of my new favorite band had to offer. I didn't end liking everything I heard, of course, but still, I at least wanted to know what the music sounded like.

[catinthedark]

Now this I don't understand. I first became a fan of Fleetwood Mac when The Dance came out, and very quickly bought all of the Rumours-era albums. When I realized that there was a lot more out there, and that Fleetwood Mac had in fact been a number of different bands, I couldn't wait to get my hands on that stuff, too. I was really interested to hear what the different incarnations of my new favorite band had to offer. I didn't end liking everything I heard, of course, but still, I at least wanted to know what the music sounded like.

I guess if someone had the Time album and said, "hey, listen to this," I would. But I wouldn't go buy it. For me, Fleetwood Mac is about Stevie's voice and songs, and Lindsey's voice and songs and his playing, and the combination of their voices together. I'm not a huge Christine fan; I like some of her songs, but have never been moved to buy her solo albums. Again - just personal taste. I don't care for the qualities of her voice. I don't believe she is not talented - it's just not a style I love. And in the same way that I've never bought any of Mick's Zoo project albums, I'm just not dying to hear the band without Stevie and Lindsey. I'm not dying to hear the new Britney Spears album either. :laugh:

[Jyqm]

I find the rhythm section (Mick & John) keep all the years connected for me. That has been the heart of the band since 1967. You can hear it throughout all the personnel changes of the band. The one true element, Mick and John, that same thumping rhythm.

I just don't see how the same bassist and drummer makes such a huge impact on the sound as to create that kind of "connection." Of course I recognize Mick and John's style, it's always there in the rhythm, but rhythm is just that: rhythm. The music itself - the melodies, chord progressions, vocals, instrumentation, production - comes from different people, and of course produces startlingly different results.

Do you consider something like "Werewolves Of London" a Fleetwood Mac song? Do you hear that connection there?

[Jyqm]

I like blues, too. The only pre S&L that I have is Bare Trees on vinyl and the disc on the Chain boxset with all the older stuff (which I love and am listening to right now). I would actually like to get some of the more bluesy stuff...any suggestions?

Skip the studio albums and go straight for the live stuff and other compilations. Not that the studio albums aren't good, but in concert is where the band truly shone back then. You really can't go wrong with any of the three Boston Tea Party discs, I think (though my favorite is #2). Those are some of the best live performances I've ever heard, from anyone. The 1971 Greatest Hits collects most of the best studio tracks from that era, and is also a great buy. If you want a proper studio album, I'd go for the dog & dustbin first. (Personally, I think Then Play On is a wee bit overrated, and the production on the CD is just terrible; this album is begging to be remastered.)

[WildInTheWind]

Skip the studio albums and go straight for the live stuff and other compilations. Not that the studio albums aren't good, but in concert is where the band truly shone back then. You really can't go wrong with any of the three Boston Tea Party discs, I think (though my favorite is #2). Those are some of the best live performances I've ever heard, from anyone. The 1971 Greatest Hits collects most of the best studio tracks from that era, and is also a great buy. If you want a proper studio album, I'd go for the dog & dustbin first. (Personally, I think Then Play On is a wee bit overrated, and the production on the CD is just terrible; this album is begging to be remastered.)

Thanks. I was looking at one of those Boston Tea Party discs on Ebay. (I think that's what it was). Anyways, it's a live CD. I wanted to hear live stuff from the early line up. I love Station Man, Green Manalishi and Oh Well with the S&L lineup...so it will be interesting to hear some of these songs live with the early line up. I usually prefer live to studio anyways.

[Jyqm]

I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic.

But just for the record, I wouldn't have wanted FM to go country (I actually don't like most country music), I just don't think that the sound of the band during that time can be blamed on the newcomers.

I'm serious, I think if they'd gone all-out country, they could have come up with some interesting results, provided they didn't go for some super-slick Nashville crap sound (which they probably would have, actually, so never mind). But imagine a good rootsy country record with Mick and John doing the rhythm...

Of course, I'd also love for Stevie to make a proper country album. (But again, no slick Shania Twain crap please.) Her country-leaning songs ("After The Glitter Fades," "That's Alright") are some of my favorites, and I think she could put out a great album like that if she put her mind to it and got a good producer behind her. (Is Jack White available?) (How about a few duets with Emmylou Harris? or Merle Haggard?)

[Jyqm]

Thanks. I was looking at one of those Boston Tea Party discs on Ebay. (I think that's what it was). Anyways, it's a live CD. I wanted to hear live stuff from the early line up. I love Station Man, Green Manalishi and Oh Well with the S&L lineup...so it will be interesting to hear some of these songs live with the early line up. I usually prefer live to studio anyways.

Alas, I don't think there are any non-bootleg live recordings of "Station Man" from the early 70s. My favorite "Green Manalishi" is from the second disc of the "Show-Biz Blues" compilation - go Johnny go on that bass solo! And while Lindsey of course does a bang-up job of "Oh Well" on the 1980 Live album, I don't think there's anything in the world that beats the version on the second Boston Tea Party set. That was the first Green-era track I ever heard, at a listening station in a Borders, and I knew I was hooked right then. Absolutely blew me away.

After first saying I was going to avoid this thread like the plague, I think I've taken it over...

[DavidMn]

I actually enjoy it all. Time maybe not as much, but I find it fascinating how theyve evolved over the years. BUt I will admit I prefer the Rumours lineup.

[Richard B]

I just don't see how the same bassist and drummer makes such a huge impact on the sound as to create that kind of "connection." Of course I recognize Mick and John's style, it's always there in the rhythm, but rhythm is just that: rhythm. The music itself - the melodies, chord progressions, vocals, instrumentation, production - comes from different people, and of course produces startlingly different results.

Do you consider something like "Werewolves Of London" a Fleetwood Mac song? Do you hear that connection there?
I do hear the John and Mick on Werewolves of London and it has a FM "sound" for sure. I can always tell when they are on any given track, it's very distinctive. Even Susanna Hoffs released a song with Mick and John on a solo album. It was known to sound very "Fleetwood Mac." Also when they added their sound to Walter Egan tracks, John Stewart, and Bob Welch solo.

You can add all the melodies, lyrics, music, production...but you will know when Mick and John are working the rhythm section. Also you get rhythm from the keyboard player too. Christine is a good example since she was adding keyboards before she was credited as a band member.

[catinthedark]

After first saying I was going to avoid this thread like the plague, I think I've taken it over...

Yeah... but it's been a really interesting discussion. I, for one, have appreciated it. And you've actually made me just a tiny bit curious about the FMs I haven't heard...

[DavidMn]

Yeah... but it's been a really interesting discussion. I, for one, have appreciated it. And you've actually made me just a tiny bit curious about the FMs I haven't heard...
I agree. very interesting.

[Jyqm]

Yeah... but it's been a really interesting discussion. I, for one, have appreciated it.

Agreed! I was worried it would be a whole lot of, "Oh, I know, I don't know why those other fans keeping shoving all that older stuff down our throats! Nothing's as good as Steeeeeeeeeeeevieeeeeeeee!!!" But it's been a great thread.

And you've actually made me just a tiny bit curious about the FMs I haven't heard...

Well then we've accomplished something! Seriously, I don't know why everyone in the world doesn't own the Boston Tea Party set.

[michelle2677]

Nothing's as good as Steeeeeeeeeeeevieeeeeeeee!!!"





OH!! I TOTALLY agree!!!!







:xoxo: j/j

I mean..I agree..but...;)

[David]

I think you have a point. I think the perception I have of the Time band is that Mick was trying to create a Stevie-Lindsey "cover band" - maybe my perception is wrong. I fully admit it could be. I don't own the Time album, and I didn't go see them in concert. Once Stevie was gone, after already losing Lindsey, my main reasons for loving Fleetwood Mac were gone. I certainly didn't want to hear anyone singing or playing their songs.I love it when bands cover Fleetwood stuff, so that's probably why I didn't hate the concerts I saw from that 1994 incarnation. I also hate big crowds in sports arenas, so that was another reason to enjoy the "Fleetwood Mac experience" that year -- it truly was a club, a dinner club. Although I must say Dave Mason was an utter dud up there, two years in a row at Konocti Harbor Spa & Resort. He came alive only on his "We Just Disagree." I have been in bands with people who HATED playing FM material. I know exactly what their faces look like when they have to play "The Chain," & that's exactly what Mason looked like. I speak from the experience of seeing it in other people's faces.
Stevie saved that tour for me, but it was nothing like seeing the band with Lindsey.Which show(s) did you see? I thought Stevie sorta sucked in California. But it was the very first year of that whole middle-aged Aunt Stevie thing she started, so it was a little fresher that year.

[David]

Personally I think Burnette is a great guitar player and that's about it. I really dislike his vocals and his songwriting.To me, he has an amusing dingaling quality that lightened portions of that overblown production on those two world tours.

[mylittledemon]

To me, he has an amusing dingaling quality that lightened portions of that overblown production on those two world tours.


I would agree with that statement...Further proof that he didnt belong in the band.

[catinthedark]

Which show(s) did you see? I thought Stevie sorta sucked in California. But it was the very first year of that whole middle-aged Aunt Stevie thing she started, so it was a little fresher that year.

I saw them in Montreal. It was October 1987, so don't know if that was before or after your show(s)? It was my first Fleetwood Mac concert ever, my first time seeing Stevie, too. And, as I've said in other posts, I was completely mesmerized by Stevie. I hadn't gone expecting anything more than a good concert by a band I liked. But I went from that concert to full-on dedicated fan. Bought everything from the White album on, and all Stevie's solo stuff, and spent the next year searching out (and finding!) Buckingham Nicks. The I spent many years just being so pissed off that I was too young to have experienced Fleetwood Mac in the 70s, or to have seen Stevie on the Bella Donna or Wild Heart tours. :mad: (The Rock a Little tour I don't believe came to Montreal - but I could be wrong. I don't remember ever having heard about it, but I wasn't the huge fan yet in 1985).

[LongBlackScarf]

I took all of Bekka's songs out of my iTunes. She annoys me. .

Something about her irks me too. Maybe because she looks perky and blonde and they thought she'd be some sort of "replacement" for Stevie. I sure as hell would LOVE to hear her do GDW. If anyone has heard this, what was it like??

[Miss Vicky]

amusing dingaling quality

Forgive me for being so dense, but what the hell is that supposed to mean?

[rbs3676]

BARE TREES and MYSTERY TO ME are two of my favorite FM releases, period.
This is a guitar oriented band and the sound on both of these albums is magnificent. Although I never purchased TIME - I didn't see the point.

rbs

[David]

Forgive me for being so dense, but what the hell is that supposed to mean?Think of Kay Kendall in "Genevieve."

THAT'S Billy Burnette!!
:blob2: :blob2:

[Miss Vicky]

Think of Kay Kendall in "Genevieve."

THAT'S Billy Burnette!!
:blob2: :blob2:


Yeah, that really clears it up. :rolleyes:

Who is Kay Kendall and what is "Genevieve"?

[SteveMacD]

However, I don't really believe that the Time line up was truly Fleetwood Mac, but again, that's just me. I think it's because I perceive that they were trying to be the 75-87 incarnation, whereas when Stevie and Lindsey joined, the band was not simply trying to imitate earlier incarnations. They created a new sound.
There are so many issues I have with this statement. When Stevie and Lindsey joined, the band wasn't selling tons of albums. They were doing okay, but it's not like they joined a superstar group. "Fleetwood Mac" and "Rumours" changed the game (not just for Fleetwood Mac, but for the pop-music industry). Before those albums, selling over five million albums was very rare. Today, it's barely enough to stay on a major label. The point is that it wasn't so big that they had to conform to a previous incarnation's image. The "Time" band really didn't have the same luxury.

But, it's not like Stevie and Lindsey didn't cover prior incarnations' material or use the "Bare Trees" backdrop in concert: Station Man, Spare Me A Little, Why, Hypnotized, The Green Manalishi, Oh Well, and Sunny Side Of Heaven, as well as Chicken Shack's "Get Like You Used To Be" were all standards in their concerts. Covering older material happens when somebody new joins a band. What's more, when Bob Welch was in the group, they went on TV and did three Peter Green songs, one Bob Welch song, and one Christine McVie song. And this was in 1974, and he'd been in the band over three years and five albums at that point! People don't refer to Mr. Welch as a cheap imitation of Peter Green, and they shouldn't for Billy, Rick, Bekka, and Dave.

That having been said, I don't think the "Time" tried to actually BE the '75-'87 band. They rearranged songs, added classic Dave Mason and Traffic tunes to the set, and created a different vibe from the "Rumours" band. A typical set list was something like: The Chain, YMLF (or SYLM), Oh Well, We Just Disagree, Blow By Blow, GDW, Only You Know And I Know (or Dear Mr. Fantasy), World Turning, GYOW, Don't Stop, Dreaming The Dream (or Imagine). So, really, only one Stevie song and one Lindsey song, which is the same as the toke Peter Green song. And, GDW sounded NOTHING like Stevie's version. I don't really count the Christine material, as she was a member of the band, just not touring. And, it's not like they were touring in support of an album. "Time" was released after they quit touring, so why would they do a bunch of new songs that people not only haven't heard, but wouldn't be able to hear?
But just because you don't care for one line up, doesn't mean you're shunning them or narrow minded.

But you've already said that you've never listened to that incarnation. You've said you never saw them, and that you didn't buy the album. So, really, how do you know you don't like the band? Personally, when they started doing GDW, I was bummed, in that it's not one of my favorites. Yet, I really enjoyed that arrangement.

[WildInTheWind]

Well then we've accomplished something! Seriously, I don't know why everyone in the world doesn't own the Boston Tea Party set.

I Lost the auction :( Forgot all about it ending. I'll get it one of these days soon.

[SteveMacD]

In any case, the sound of the band can be largely blamed on Mick Fleetwood. I seem to recall Burnette saying that he and Bramlett were sort of reined in and not allowed to be their true musical selves because they were too country. (Which doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me... why hire country musicians if you don't want a country sound?)
In Mick's defense, I don't think he saw that coming. Listen to the Zoo's "Shakin' The Cage" album. Bekka sounded pretty far removed from country. He knew he had to control Billy that way, but I don't think it occurred to him that Bekka grew up around many of the same people and influences as Billy, that she had all of Billy's albums, and had known Billy since she was all of three! In other words, I don't think Mick realized that Bekka and Billy were cut from the same cloth. Which is somewhat puzzling to me. Mick met Bekka around the time BTM was being recorded. Billy, a good friend of Delaney Bramlett, was sitting in at one of Delaney's gig, and Mick was there for moral support. Anyway, Delaney brought Bekka up on stage to sing, and she blew Mick away, to the point where Dennis Dunstan (Mick's manager at the time) became Bekka's manager the next day. So, he SHOULD have seen it coming. And, he should have let them run with it.
Sorry, I get a little defensive over Billy Burnette. I'm not big on his solo material from the 70s but I adore everything from the 80s forward (well... except for the movies. He really should just stick with music. Acting is not his forte). I think he's a gifted songwriter and I really like his voice.
I think his 1979 album "Between Friends" is an unknown masterpiece. I wish he would have done something like THAT with Fleetwood Mac.
But just for the record, I wouldn't have wanted FM to go country (I actually don't like most country music), I just don't think that the sound of the band during that time can be blamed on the newcomers.
I wouldn't have minded if they had done something alt.country, a la Lucinda Williams or early Wilco. Or, maybe something sonically like "Sticky Fingers" or "Highway 61 Revisited." There are many shades of country, and these people should have been smart enough and experienced enough to run with it. Personally, I think the "Bekka & Billy" album was considerably better than "Time."
Do you consider something like "Werewolves Of London" a Fleetwood Mac song? Do you hear that connection there?
For me, that's a bit of an odd one. I just think Zevon was in such a different league as a songwriter than anybody who was ever in Fleetwood Mac that it would be hard to put one of his songs in that category. That being said, I think it could have legitimately been performed in concert and maybe even put on the box-set.

[Miss Vicky]

I think his 1979 album "Between Friends" is an unknown masterpiece. I wish he would have done something like THAT with Fleetwood Mac.

Hmm... I wasn't impressed with it, but I haven't listened to it in quite a long time. Maybe I'll give it a second chance, it's possible that my tastes have changed since the last time.

Personally, I think the "Bekka & Billy" album was considerably better than "Time."

No argument there. "Bekka and Billy" is a superb album period. I love both their voices and it really showcases the songwriting abilities of both of them. But I still very much enjoy "Time."

[Johnny Stew]

Personally, I think the "Bekka & Billy" album was considerably better than "Time."See, I was sorely disappointed with Bekka & Billy's album. I loved their chemistry and the sound of their voices together on 'Time,' but that didn't seem to translate over to their album the way I had thought/hoped it would.

I tried to give it another listen recently, after all of these years, and I still wasn't crazy about it. :shrug:

[Moony]

The only reason I am into FM is because of Stevie and Lindsey. I really don't care for Christine and could give a crap about the other incarnations.

[LongBlackScarf]

The only reason I am into FM is because of Stevie and Lindsey. I really don't care for Christine and could give a crap about the other incarnations.

I haven't been here long enough to know if you're kidding. So....REALLY? :eek:

[David]

I haven't been here long enough to know if you're kidding. So....REALLY? :eek:I used to hang out & go to Fleetwood Nicks concerts with a lady who felt exactly the same way. She roomed with the guy who rigged lights for the band for many years. She used to say to me: "The rest of them can go to hell" (she liked only Stevie)

[chiliD]

For me, Fleetwood Mac is about Stevie's voice and songs, and Lindsey's voice and songs and his playing, and the combination of their voices together.

Then calling yourself a "Fleetwood Mac fan" is a misnomer...you're a "Buckingham Nicks fan" nothing more, nothing less.

[chiliD]

That wouldn't bother him at all, nor should it. Why would it bother him that you heard some music by Kirwan or Green or Welch & didn't like it? There are undoubtedly other bands whose music you like that he doesn't. Taste varies. That's a fact of life -- who would let himself be bothered by that? How silly.

What irks Steve is the myopia some Fleetwood Mac fans have: the ones who a priori assume that Fleetwood Mac albums without Stevie Buckingham or Lindsey Nicks -- or even Peter Green -- can't possibly be any good or of any use to anyone. He deplores the fans who blithely & arrogantly say that Fleetwood Mac came into being only in 1975, & that its artistic stature was a function only of its commercial windfall in the United States -- thus eliminating any artistic achievements from incarnations earlier than 1975 or later than 1987.

I don't usually speak for Steve, but I've discussed this with him so thoroughly that I feel I know where he stands.

Uhhh... :shocked: YEAH!! That's it! What he said...that's what I'd say. Only David said it INFINITELY nicer than I would. :cool:

[chiliD]

Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks are not the be-all end-all of Fleetwood Mac that some people like to fantasize about. Actually, to tell the truth, I don't like Rumours. Period.
Eww...Bare Trees isn't blues. :DI like the pre S&L.......I like the very early Peter Green FM the best out of the non S&L line up. Bare Trees is great, too. Other than that I don't know much. I was a Stevie fan before a FM fan, but I'm coming along!Personally, I don't see how you could shun the previous eras! :shrug: Without the previous eras, there is no Fleetwood Mac with or without Lindsey and Stevie.


My work is done, I don't even need to post anymore, I've trained all you "Grasshoppers" well. :lol:


:...but the Bob Welch-era stuff is just "blah" to me. :sorry:....but I don't like the post...

Well, I guess I spoke too soon...some remedial education seems to be required. :D

But just because you don't care for one line up, doesn't mean you're shunning them or narrow minded.

Well, yes it does. :shrug:

"How dare they try and replace Lindsey?!"

"How dare they carry on without Peter Green!" Same idiotic logic.

Just remember, if Peter Green had never left....oh, wait...that's already been covered above.

[LongBlackScarf]

I've trained all you "Grasshoppers" well.

Now you must work on the ASS-hoppers! :shocked: :eek: :thumbsup:

[Miss Vicky]

I do hear the John and Mick on Werewolves of London... Also when they added their sound to Walter Egan tracks.

Sorry so late to respond, I didn't see this earlier.

Which Egan tracks were they on? I know Mick contributed to "Star in the Dust" and "Make it Alone" on <i>Not Shy</i> but I don't recall John being on anything and I certainly don't hear anything distinctive about the drumming on those two tracks.

Edit: I just looked over my collection and, without exception, John Selk is credited with performing the bass guitar on every song on every Walter Egan solo album until 1999's <i>Walternative</i>, at which point Walter started playing the instrument himself.

[LongBlackScarf]

Well I'm only half serious, really. I do like a handful of Christine songs. But really, the reaon I'm drawn to Fleetwood Mac is due to Stevie, and to a lesser extent, Lindsey. I just don't really care about the other lineups. :shrug: I don't think that should be looked upon as a crime, or that I should be made to feel bad because of that either. (not saying you specifically were doing that)

Oh Well. :p :wavey:

[Miss Vicky]

My work is done, I don't even need to post anymore, I've trained all you "Grasshoppers" well. :lol:

Wow, I seem to be at the head of the class. :laugh:

[amber]

Well I'm only half serious, really. I do like a handful of Christine songs. But really, the reaon I'm drawn to Fleetwood Mac is due to Stevie, and to a lesser extent, Lindsey. I just don't really care about the other lineups. :shrug: I don't think that should be looked upon as a crime, or that I should be made to feel bad because of that either. (not saying you specifically were doing that)
***twymf***

[chiliD]

Sorry so late to respond, I didn't see this earlier.

Which Egan tracks were they on? I know Mick contributed to "Star in the Dust" and "Make it Alone" on <i>Not Shy</i> but I don't recall John being on anything and I certainly don't hear anything distinctive about the drumming on those two tracks.

As far as I know, John never appeared on a W.E. album. Oh, the first time I heard "Star In The Dust", I could tell it was Mick, even before I read the liner notes...but I do agree wholeheartedly about "Make It Alone".

[Miss Vicky]

As far as I know, John never appeared on a W.E. album.

You're correct (see my edit above). John Selk played the bass guitar on all Egan solo albums until 1999. In fact, of the Rumours-era lineup, John McVie is the only one who didn't appear on at least one Walter Egan record.

I still don't hear anything that distinguishes the drumming on "Star in the Dust" from anything else on that or any Egan record. :shrug:

[chiliD]

I still don't hear anything that distinguishes the drumming on "Star in the Dust" from anything else on that or any Egan record. :shrug:

It's all in how Mick used to play...his "off" beats, his not-quite-finishing-a-roll fills, the overall timbre of the drums themselves...how he tunes, or actually USED to tune his drums. "Star In The Dust", to me anyway, just SCREAMS "Mick Fleetwood on drums" :nod: ...too bad he doesn't play that way anymore. :distress:

[Miss Vicky]

It's all in how Mick used to play...his "off" beats, his not-quite-finishing-a-roll fills, the overall timbre of the drums themselves...how he tunes, or actually USED to tune his drums. "Star In The Dust", to me anyway, just SCREAMS "Mick Fleetwood on drums" :nod: ...too bad he doesn't play that way anymore. :distress:

I'll take your word for it. Although I would most definitely notice if the drums were absent from a song, I've never really paid any attention to them or the different styles of playing/tuning them. I'm also not a musician, so I suppose that affects how I listen to a song as well.

[Lindsey Jr.]

I don't think i understand what you been by this. "Normal" as opposed to what?

That means: I have some of those albums, but I don't listen to them as often as the LB/SN ones, and I'm not collecting anything about that era, I just enjoy the music.

So in short: I like PG's FM, but not as much as LB/SN's FM ;)

[Jyqm]

I Lost the auction :( Forgot all about it ending. I'll get it one of these days soon.

All three Tea Party CDs are pretty cheap on Amazon, and there are plenty used ones to buy from other customers as well:

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[Jyqm]

It's all in how Mick used to play...his "off" beats, his not-quite-finishing-a-roll fills, the overall timbre of the drums themselves...how he tunes, or actually USED to tune his drums. "Star In The Dust", to me anyway, just SCREAMS "Mick Fleetwood on drums" :nod: ...too bad he doesn't play that way anymore. :distress:

That's just what I love about Mick's old style as well. I'm not a drummer, but I listen to enough rock music to know how rock drummers in general play rhythm, and it always used to throw me for a loop listening to something like GYOW - whatever drums I was playing in my head, there was Mick on the track playing the exact opposite. The unexpectedness of those "off" beats and "unfinished" trills really gives those songs a certain edge, a feeling that the whole thing might just devolve into chaos at any moment.

So yeah, it is too bad he doesn't play that way anymore...

[WildInTheWind]

Thanks! I'm going to get one (or maybe all :D ) of them.

All three Tea Party CDs are pretty cheap on Amazon, and there are plenty used ones to buy from other customers as well:

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[mylittledemon]

The only reason I am into FM is because of Stevie and Lindsey. I really don't care for Christine and could give a crap about the other incarnations.


Now THAT's blasphemy! Off with his head!!!!

[Jyqm]

Thanks! I'm going to get one (or maybe all :D ) of them.

Just be sure to post your thoughts after you listen to them!

[jbrownsjr]

He absolutely is. Greetings from the Creepy Little John Fangirl! :laugh:

I love the picture of Lindsey in your signature by the way. Weird but highly hilarious.



I didn't know he had a solo career. Or an acting career. I don't mind Rick and Billy's stuff but as part of Fleetwood Mac ... 'nuff said.

Although I must say, I didn't miss Christine much on SYW. That's mean I know. But true. :sorry:

why is this mean? :confused:

[jbrownsjr]

The only reason I am into FM is because of Stevie and Lindsey. I really don't care for Christine and could give a crap about the other incarnations.

thatta girl! :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

i really don't like any album with John McVie on it, i love all the other stuff

[Jyqm]

i really don't like any album with John McVie on it, i love all the other stuff

Long live "Long Grey Mare!"

[WildInTheWind]

Just be sure to post your thoughts after you listen to them!

Will do. :wavey:

[WildInTheWind]

All three Tea Party CDs are pretty cheap on Amazon, and there are plenty used ones to buy from other customers as well:



How is the Blues Jam in Chicago Vol. 2??

[catinthedark]

But you've already said that you've never listened to that incarnation. You've said you never saw them, and that you didn't buy the album. So, really, how do you know you don't like the band? Personally, when they started doing GDW, I was bummed, in that it's not one of my favorites. Yet, I really enjoyed that arrangement.

Yep - I'll give you that one. You can't say you don't like mushrooms til you've tried mushrooms.

But I also still have no desire to listen to Britney's new album either - can I still say I don't like her? :laugh:

Then calling yourself a "Fleetwood Mac fan" is a misnomer...you're a "Buckingham Nicks fan" nothing more, nothing less.


Well, I can call myself whatever I like, as a matter of fact. I like the White album, Rumours, Tusk, Mirage, and Say You Will. I like Fleetwood Mac. I'm not so sure why some people get so upset about the semantics of all this. :shrug: You like whatever/whoever you like. I like whatever/whoever I like. What's the big deal?

[Dark Angel]

I'll admit, at one time I would only listen to albums that included Stevie. Since then, (thank god!), I've branched out, and realized that versions of the band without either of them have made some really good music. I've even managed to find some very good songs on "Time".
Now I just need to start buying some of the older albums. Most of what I've heard has either been live, or from mp3s.

[David]

I'll admit, at one time I would only listen to albums that included Stevie. Since then, (thank god!), I've branched out, and realized that versions of the band without either of them have made some really good music.The truly proper progression is to move away from Fleetwood Mac albums entirely, regardless of personnel, toward the splendors to be found in the film scores of Sir William Walton.

[Moony]

Now THAT's blasphemy! Off with his head!!!!
:p


thatta girl!
...er...I am a man... :wavey:

[DavidMn]

Then calling yourself a "Fleetwood Mac fan" is a misnomer...you're a "Buckingham Nicks fan" nothing more, nothing less.
telling it like it is. U sure you're not related to Howard Cosell? :lol:

[Jyqm]

How is the Blues Jam in Chicago Vol. 2??

Actually, I haven't listened to either disc of the Chicago album in a good long while, but I'll make it the soundtrack to my day and get back to you!

Most of that album, though, is the band jamming in the studio with a bunch of great old Chicago blues musicians. So if you want to stick to pure, unadulterated Fleetwood Mac at first, get those Boston albums (and before anyone else chimes in, yes, I know, there are one or two jam tracks with other musicians on stage).

[Jyqm]

Actually, I haven't listened to either disc of the Chicago album in a good long while, but I'll make it the soundtrack to my day and get back to you!

Most of that album, though, is the band jamming in the studio with a bunch of great old Chicago blues musicians. So if you want to stick to pure, unadulterated Fleetwood Mac at first, get those Boston albums (and before anyone else chimes in, yes, I know, there are one or two jam tracks with other musicians on stage).

All right, I've been listening to Blues Jam in Chicago all day, and it's really a fabulous set, but a lot of the focus is on the "guest stars," and it's strictly a blues album. There's a lot of great emotion, a lot of fabulous playing, and lots of beautiful subtleties, but I don't know if it's the best introduction to the early incarnation of the band. I'd stick with the Boston Tea Party CDs, which include a mix of both great blues songs and the band's more rock-oriented material (Oh Well, Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, etc.).

Or! According to Mr. Stew on the pre-Rumours forum, Sanctuary is releasing a three-CD set in November that looks like it will be the perfect introduction to the early years of Fleetwood Mac. One CD for R&B and the blues, one CD for "experimental" studio work, and one CD for live stuff. SOunds like the perfect starter kit to me.

[shackin'up]

Anyone care to fess up? Do you dare? :D

I play everything they ever brought out regularly. Except for Tango In The Night, Time and Behind the mask.

[jbrownsjr]

:p


...er...I am a man... :wavey:


i know :]

[Dreammms]

I started collecting Pre-Rumour Mac albums when I bought the Chain box set. I fell in love with Why, Hypnotized and Man Of The World. So I went out that day and bought a lot of Mac albums and through the years I have bought more.

[Dreammms]

I've even managed to find some very good songs on "Time".


Time actually isn't that bad. I think Christine's songs are really good. I also actually like Bekka's Nothing Without You and Winds Of Change. Not a big fan of Billy or Rick though.

I do think that Bekka should have done more of her own songs on the Fleetwood Mac tour instead of ruining Stevie and Christine's songs IMO.

[shackin'up]

One CD for R&B and the blues, one CD for "experimental" studio work, and one CD for live stuff. SOunds like the perfect starter kit to me.

can be. depends on the selected tracks though.....

[David]

Time actually isn't that bad. I think Christine's songs are really good. I also actually like Bekka's Nothing Without You and Winds Of Change. Not a big fan of Billy or Rick though.Time is such a pleasant album to listen to because you have Richard Dashut's expertise shining through on virtually every track. When you get a guy who knows what the fack he's doing in the mix booth, the sky's the limit.
I do think that Bekka should have done more of her own songs on the Fleetwood Mac tour instead of ruining Stevie and Christine's songs IMO.Bekka has a particular vocal style -- balls to the wall -- that you either like or don't. In my case, I don't generally love this sort of extravagantly modulated vocal presentation, this kind of R&B howling & grinding ... it winds up striking me as phony hyperextension, the equivalent of a tawdry, slam-bang Michael Mann movie, jacking up the kinesis. (look at the lady in my banner. She's the polar opposite of this)

but the guys sure put together an interesting arrangement for Gold Dust Woman. It wasn't even all that complex, but it was fresh & it had dramatic arc & suspense.

[chiliD]

The truly proper progression is to move away from Fleetwood Mac albums entirely, regardless of personnel, toward the splendors to be found in the film scores of Sir William Walton.

They wouldn't get past John Williams or Danny Elfman, David, why bother? :shrug:

[Jyqm]

Bekka has a particular vocal style -- balls to the wall -- that you either like or don't. In my case, I don't generally love this sort of extravagantly modulated vocal presentation, this kind of R&B howling & grinding ... it winds up striking me as phony hyperextension, the equivalent of a tawdry, slam-bang Michael Mann movie, jacking up the kinesis. (look at the lady in my banner. She's the polar opposite of this)

Oh my, yes. And god bless her for it.

The "balls to the wall" style seems to infect a lot of singers who, technically, have very good voices and lots of range. It's almost as if they feel compelled to sing this way because they can. It's virtuosity run amok.

And of course everybody recognizes that somebody like Billie did not, technically, have a very good voice - but boy did she know how to use what she had. No matter how loud or high you can go, you either got that kind of soul, or you don't.

[SteveMacD]

Bekka has a particular vocal style -- balls to the wall -- that you either like or don't. In my case, I don't generally love this sort of extravagantly modulated vocal presentation, this kind of R&B howling & grinding ... it winds up striking me as phony hyperextension, the equivalent of a tawdry, slam-bang Michael Mann movie, jacking up the kinesis. (look at the lady in my banner. She's the polar opposite of this)
Though, to be fair to Bekka, she IS the daughter of Bonnie Bramlett, so there's a bit of a family tradition there with the balls-to-the-wall vocal style.

[David]

Though, to be fair to Bekka, she IS the daughter of Bonnie Bramlett, so there's a bit of a family tradition there with the balls-to-the-wall vocal style.Yes, yes ... family tradition ... nice, nice ...

If it were her family's tradition to scream like Rhesus monkeys, I don't think I'd like that, either.

[Dreammms]

Yes, yes ... family tradition ... nice, nice ...

If it were her family's tradition to scream like Rhesus monkeys, I don't think I'd like that, either.

:laugh:

It's not only when she is singing her own stuff. Have you ever seen her sing back up for Faith Hill? OMG! Those facial expressions and grunts are scary.

[SteveMacD]

It's not only when she is singing her own stuff. Have you ever seen her sing back up for Faith Hill? OMG! Those facial expressions and grunts are scary.
No scarier than a certain singer towards the end of a certain song about a Welch witch in the 1970s :p :p :p

[GateandGarden]

And of course everybody recognizes that somebody like Billie did not, technically, have a very good voice - but boy did she know how to use what she had. No matter how loud or high you can go, you either got that kind of soul, or you don't.Really? From what I've heard of her, I really think she did. :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

No scarier than a certain singer towards the end of a certain song about a Welch witch in the 1970s :p :p :p:laugh:

But one is "yikes, she's gonna **** herself" scary, and the other is "she's gonna make us **** ourselves" scary.

[Miss Vicky]

Time actually isn't that bad.... Not a big fan of Rick though.

I guess then it's a good thing that he's not on that album. :D

[GateandGarden]

I guess then it's a good thing that he's not on that album. :D:laugh::laugh: :nod:

[Dreammms]

I guess then it's a good thing that he's not on that album. :D

I actually knew that. Don't know why I said that. Must have been thinking about Behind The Mask. I don't mind Rick as much as Billy. Rick is the less annoying one out of the two. Rick has a better voice and plays better guitar IMO. Also cuter :p

[Miss Vicky]

I actually knew that. Don't know why I said that. Must have been thinking about Behind The Mask. I don't mind Rick as much as Billy. Rick is the less annoying one out of the two. Rick has a better voice and plays better guitar IMO. Also cuter :p


I think you're getting the band members mixed up again. ;)

[Dreammms]

I think you're getting the band members mixed up again. ;)

:lol: :lol:

I know who they are. Rick went on tour with Stevie for Street Angel too. :)

I do like some of the songs Billy sings with Christine and Stevie. I am just not really into his solo stuff. Can't get into it.

[Miss Vicky]

I like some of the songs Billy sings with Christine and Stevie. I am just not really into his solo stuff. Can't get into it.

I like some of the songs Rick sings with Christine and Stevie. I am just not really into his solo stuff. Can't get into it. :laugh:

For the record there are some things about Billy that annoy me:

A) his movies

B) his wardrobe :eek:

[Dreammms]

For the record there are some things about Billy that annoy me:

A) his movies

B) his wardrobe :eek:

LOLOL Yeah his sense of style is pretty funny. What about his hair?

[Miss Vicky]

LOLOL Yeah his sense of style is pretty funny. What about his hair?

His hair doesn't bother me. :shrug:

But damn those outfits have got to go. :distress: :laugh:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Me, I'm just waitin' for McVie to look up and realize
that they've got a new lineup! :laugh: