Streisand's Guilty Pleasures

[tommer]

did anyone pay this album a listen?
i donnow yet whether i'm too lazy or just too embarrassed to try the rest of it, but i find Night Of My Life to be completly irresistible, so i guess i'm gonna have to try the whole thing. i fear that if i find the album decent, my parents may respect my musical taste....brrrrrr......... :p

[gldstwmn]

I thought we were going to talk about her reading the tabloids and eating chocolates or something by the title of this thread. :sorry: :laugh:

[LongBlackScarf]

I thought we were going to talk about her reading the tabloids and eating chocolates

She enjoys angel food cake with Cool Whip. That's what she told Martha Stewart anyway. :p As long as she still sounds terrific, I will buy her albums. :nod:

[David]

did anyone pay this album a listen?I'm afraid I'll have to pass, Tommer.

But I did just buy a batch of CDs at Tower:

Tallis - Spem in alium, Oxford Camerata (Naxos)
Ravel - Works for Solo Piano, Jean-Philippe Collard (EMI)
Carter - Symphony No. 1, Piano Concerto, Mark Wait & Nashville Symphony Orchestra (Naxos American Classics)
Martin Denny - Quiet Village & The Enchanted Sea (Scamp)
Mystic Moods Orchestra - One Stormy Night (HDS)

The Naxos American Classics series is outstanding, by the way, & I recommend all of you look into it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

did anyone pay this album a listen?
i donnow yet whether i'm too lazy or just too embarrassed to try the rest of it, but i find Night Of My Life to be completly irresistible, so i guess i'm gonna have to try the whole thing. i fear that if i find the album decent, my parents may respect my musical taste....brrrrrr......... :p

It's a very good album, Barry and Barbra are some combination!

[DavidMn]

You know, I love Barbara's voice, if only she wasnt such a MEGA-BITCH. :( I remember when I was in Vegas for Stevie's millenium show, Barbara was playing the MGM acroos the street, and someone told me she actually had it written into her contract that any employee of the hotel that looked her in the eye was to be fired. I dont have proof of this, but I heard it from several people that day. If it's true, that tops anything else I've heard.

[JazmenFlowers]

I've been a huge fan since 94 and just got this album last night and it is pure BUTTAH! I love it. There are also remixes for Night of My Life coming out. I have them and they are awesome. My favorites are Above the Law, Hideaway, Stranger In A Strange Land and All the Children. A superb album. I've listened to it nonstop today at work.

[JazmenFlowers]

did anyone pay this album a listen?
i donnow yet whether i'm too lazy or just too embarrassed to try the rest of it, but i find Night Of My Life to be completly irresistible, so i guess i'm gonna have to try the whole thing. i fear that if i find the album decent, my parents may respect my musical taste....brrrrrr......... :p

I'll have to get the remixes to you if you like the album version. They are awesome.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'll have to get the remixes to you if you like the album version. They are awesome.

I wouldn't mind having those too.

[JazmenFlowers]

I wouldn't mind having those too.

I'll see if I can put them on YOUSENDIT later tonight or the weekend.

[Stephanie]

I've been a huge fan since 94 and just got this album last night and it is pure BUTTAH! I love it. There are also remixes for Night of My Life coming out. I have them and they are awesome. My favorites are Above the Law, Hideaway, Stranger In A Strange Land and All the Children. A superb album. I've listened to it nonstop today at work.
your sig is so beautiful. Don't know if its new, or if I just never noticed it before.

[sparky]

I wonder if among the Gulity Pleasures listed as songs are :

Gold Plated TP stand in my trailer

Belittling film crew members

Terrorizing stage crews in Vegas

:laugh:

[DavidMn]

I wonder if among the Gulity Pleasures listed as songs are :

Gold Plated TP stand in my trailer

Belittling film crew members

Terrorizing stage crews in Vegas

:laugh:
I kinda feel sorry for Mrs Babs, Jimmy Brolin. But he's the perfect mate for her. Whata wuss. :laugh:

[dissention]

I wonder if among the Gulity Pleasures listed as songs are :

Gold Plated TP stand in my trailer

Belittling film crew members

Terrorizing stage crews in Vegas

:laugh:

I highly doubt Babs feels guilty about taking pleasure in any of those things. :laugh:

[DavidMn]

I highly doubt Babs feels guilty about taking pleasure in any of those things. :laugh:
Yeah, but Barry Gibb might....... :laugh:

[Serrart]

I wonder if among the Gulity Pleasures listed as songs are :

Gold Plated TP stand in my trailer

Belittling film crew members

Terrorizing stage crews in Vegas

:laugh:

I'd add firing one of the best living cinematographers cause he didn't want to use pathetically obvious filters to film her in The Mirror Has Two Faces.

Even if I liked Yentl (yes, also her surreal choice to play a twenty-something :p ) and I think when she wants she can be a very good actress besides an amazing (but sometimes too technical for my tastes) singer.

Romy

[DavidMn]

If I remember right, referring back to her New Year's Eve 1999 appearance at MGM in Vegas, I believe her tickets were a uniform $1,500 for the entire arena and it sold out alomst immideately. I dont care if I like her personally or not, that's impressive. :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'll see if I can put them on YOUSENDIT later tonight or the weekend.

K, thanks. :)

[dissention]

I'd add firing one of the best living cinematographers cause he didn't want to use pathetically obvious filters to film her in The Mirror Has Two Faces.

Even if I liked Yentl (yes, also her surreal choice to play a twenty-something :p ) and I think when she wants she can be a very good actress besides an amazing (but sometimes too technical for my tastes) singer.

Romy

No one has lived until they've seen her Oscar-baiting, over-the-top turn in "Nuts." She was acting for those in the nosebleed section of the theater in that flick.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I've been a huge fan since 94 and just got this album last night and it is pure BUTTAH! I love it. There are also remixes for Night of My Life coming out. I have them and they are awesome. My favorites are Above the Law, Hideaway, Stranger In A Strange Land and All the Children. A superb album. I've listened to it nonstop today at work.

I really enjoyed her last album, The Movie Album, although some complained that it was to "dull". I guess you just have to be able to appreciate the soothing arrangements and style of that album.

[DavidMn]

Here's a question for al you Barbara fans out there. Did she really rig the system in '68 so she could share the best actress oscar with Kate Hepburn. I havent heard too much about this, and would appriciate some info.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No one has lived until they've seen her Oscar-baiting, over-the-top turn in "Nuts." She was acting for those in the nosebleed section of the theater in that flick.

It was a rather strange picture; I guess the title describes it well. I did find her performance to be wonderful. I just could have gone for a better ending.

[dissention]

It was a rather strange picture; I guess the title describes it well. I did find her performance to be wonderful. I just could have gone for a better ending.

Fug, she stunk up the screen in that movie. Dreyfuss and Streisand, the gruesome twosome of overacting, in a movie together. Have mercy. I saw the theater version of it and it's much better in that from than on the screen; a filmed version gives the actors too much leeway to delve into hysterical hyperacting.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Fug, she stunk up the screen in that movie. Dreyfuss and Streisand, the gruesome twosome of overacting, in a movie together. Have mercy. I saw the theater version of it and it's much better in that from than on the screen; a filmed version gives the actors too much leeway to delve into hysterical hyperacting.

I suppose so; I guess it just depends on how you look at it. Her acting in The Prince of Tides IMO is her best on screen, not to mention her best as a director.

[Serrart]

It was a rather strange picture; I guess the title describes it well. I did find her performance to be wonderful. I just could have gone for a better ending.

You mean her return to the world a la Tony Manero? Martin Ritt should have put some kind of Busby Berkeley number there with Richard Dreyfuss, the judge and the jury dancing at her feet while she was rising to the sky singing. :D

Romy

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You mean her return to the world a la Tony Manero? Martin Ritt should have put some kind of Busby Berkley number there with Richard Dreyfuss, the judge and the jury dancing at her feet while she was rising to the sky singing. :D

Romy

Oh GOD not Busby Berkley, that man was horrible!

[Serrart]

Fug, she stunk up the screen in that movie. Dreyfuss and Streisand, the gruesome twosome of overacting, in a movie together. Have mercy. I saw the theater version of it and it's much better in that from than on the screen; a filmed version gives the actors too much leeway to delve into hysterical hyperacting.

My favourite scene is when she's stoned in her jail and Richard Dreyfuss goes to speak to her, and for the first tme they don't shout for the whole time, that's beautifully acted IMO. By the way, I don't hate Nuts, Leslie Nielsen playing the bad guy is fun to watch.

[dissention]

You mean her return to the world a la Tony Manero? Martin Ritt should have put some kind of Busby Berkley number there with Richard Dreyfuss, the judge and the jury dancing at her feet while she was rising to the sky singing. :D

Romy

Oh, Romy. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dissention]

Her acting in The Prince of Tides IMO is her best on screen, not to mention her best as a director.

I've never seen another movie dripping with so much self-love and ego in my life. Every frame is laboriously set up to make her, a frumpy Jewish woman under the impression that she's a walking goddess, appear as if she's the most glamorous of movie stars; as if the heavens parted just so that a ray of light could shoot down upon her being, illuminating her for the world to see. The gauze shots are enough to make one think that they downed a few bottles of heavy liquor that they never actually did, and the heavy-handed treatment of the subject matter coupled with her insatiable quest for mass adoration make one feel as if they're being conned, emotionally and aesthetically.

Never mind that Nick Nolte was anally raped as a child, no, she doesn't care about any of that; it is not essential to the story being told. The only thing that she wants to get across, and does she ever hammer into your head, is that she's a complicated character. Yes, Babs is complicated. She has enormous wealth, a fabulous career, and Elliot Gould's spawn. Of course, we already know what a complicated character she is, anyway. We're simply confused about which character while we're watching it: Barbra Streisand or the one she's playing in the movie?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ah, but Yentl, now that is a guilty pleasure of mine.

That's one of the ones that I can't stand! I actually fell asleep halfway through.

Papa Can you Hear me?...

I wanted him to just shout down from the heavens...

YES ALREADY I CAN HEAR YOU! NOW SHUT UP!

[Serrart]

Here's a question for al you Barbara fans out there. Did she really rig the system in '68 so she could share the best actress oscar with Kate Hepburn. I havent heard too much about this, and would appriciate some info.

As far as I know there were big pressures but I'm not sure she was directly responsible of them, or the studio that was anxious to create an international star. But Garson Kanin (director of Funny Girl theatre version and one of the best Hepburn's and Tracy's friends, till he wrote the infamous book about the two actors' love story that made Hepburn furious), played a strategical role to make Kate Hepburn accept the split Oscar, even if she didn't go, but that was mainly for the too recent Spencer Tracy's death. At least that's how I know the thing.

Romy

[sparky]

I've never seen another movie dripping with so much self-love and ego in my life. Every frame is laboriously set up to make her, a frumpy Jewish woman under the impression that she's a walking goddess, appear as if she's the most glamorous of movie stars; as if the heavens parted just so that a ray of light could shoot down upon her being, illuminating her for the world to see. The gauze shots are enough to make one think that they downed a few bottles of heavy liquor that they never actually did, and the heavy-handed treatment of the subject matter coupled with her insatiable quest for mass adoration make one feel as if they're being conned, emotionally and aesthetically.

Never mind that Nick Nolte was anally raped as a child, no, she doesn't care about any of that; it is not essential to the story being told. The only thing that she wants to get across, and does she ever hammer into your head, is that she's a complicated character. Yes, Babs is complicated. She has enormous wealth, a fabulous career, and Elliot Gould's spawn. Of course, we already know what a complicated character she is, anyway. We're simply confused about which character while we're watching it: Barbra Streisand or the one she's playing in the movie?


Pauline Kael did NOT retire. She lives in Boston. She is masquerading as a young interior designer who calls himself Josh.

[dissention]

Pauline Kael did NOT retire. She lives in Boston. She is masquerading as a young interior designer who calls himself Josh.

:laugh:

Now THAT is one whopping compliment. I'm blushing.

[JazmenFlowers]

No one has lived until they've seen her Oscar-baiting, over-the-top turn in "Nuts." She was acting for those in the nosebleed section of the theater in that flick.

this is one of her best, most underappreciated roles

Barbra is amazing. Funny Girl and Prince of Tides and The Way We Were...she is a one-of-a-kind and her talent is endless. No one can sway me otherwise.

[BTFLCHLD]

shes on primetime right now....candid interview

[dissention]

this is one of her best, most underappreciated roles

Barbra is amazing. Funny Girl and Prince of Tides and The Way We Were...she is a one-of-a-kind and her talent is endless. No one can sway me otherwise.

I think she's an incredibly gifted singer, but as an actress? Blech. I don't care for her much. I was half expecting her to grow feathers and squawk in "Nuts."

[amber]

I don't like to see things with her in them because I don't like to look at her. :) I've never heard a song by her that I like, either. Nice review, by the way, Diss. :wavey:

[LongBlackScarf]

I don't like to see things with her in them because I don't like to look at her. :) I've never heard a song by her that I like, either. :


Awwww! I am kinda sorry to hear that. I would recommend seeing "What's Up Doc?" with Ryan O'Neal and Babs. It's utterly hysterical and she's at her most beautiful in it. I do say, she's NOT ageing well, and yet, she got her HUNK. She got Brolin! YUM! And my 2 favorite albums of hers are "Songbird" and "Superman." Maybe you'll give these a try sometime?!

http://www.jennifer-too.com/tides/doc/docpiano.jpg

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Awwww! I am kinda sorry to hear that. I would recommend seeing "What's Up Doc?" with Ryan O'Neal and Babs. It's utterly hysterical and she's at her most beautiful in it. I do say, she's NOT ageing well, and yet, she got her HUNK. She got Brolin! YUM! And my 2 favorite albums of hers are "Songbird" and "Superman." Maybe you'll give these a try sometime?!

http://www.jennifer-too.com/tides/doc/docpiano.jpg

LOVE "What's Up Doc?"!!!!

[amber]

Awwww! I am kinda sorry to hear that. I would recommend seeing "What's Up Doc?" with Ryan O'Neal and Babs. It's utterly hysterical and she's at her most beautiful in it. I do say, she's NOT ageing well, and yet, she got her HUNK. She got Brolin! YUM! And my 2 favorite albums of hers are "Songbird" and "Superman." Maybe you'll give these a try sometime?!

http://www.jennifer-too.com/tides/doc/docpiano.jpg
Yeah, no. about the albums. Maybe the movie. I thought she looked okay cute with the curly hair in that one movie. Yes, Brolin is a hunk. Hmm...I'd probably be way more inclined to watch her in a movie then listen to the music. And you can forget me watching a musical right now. :)

[LongBlackScarf]

I thought she looked okay cute with the curly hair in that one movie. :)

That was the re-re-make of "A Star Is Born" and her hair was styled by her then lover, Jon Peters. BTW...most fans just HATE that "poodle perm"! You can check out some "hair tests" here if you're so reclined.... ;) :lol:


http://barbra-archives.com/Films/streisand_starisborn.html

[amber]

That was the re-re-make of "A Star Is Born" and her hair was styled by her then lover, Jon Peters. BTW...most fans just HATE that "poodle perm"! You can check out some "hair tests" here if you're so reclined.... ;) :lol:


http://barbra-archives.com/Films/streisand_starisborn.html
I know, everyone hates the fro. But now that I think about it, I think I'm thinking of different hair, in the movie with Robert Redford. :confused: That movie was pretty ok. Well, I only saw a little of it, and don't remember it that well, but it seemed okay... :laugh:

[Moony]

I'd rather listen to the sounds of my parents having sex than listen to Barbara Streisand.

[LongBlackScarf]

But now that I think about it, I think I'm thinking of different hair, in the movie with Robert Redford. :confused: That movie was pretty ok. Well, I only saw a little of it, and don't remember it that well, but it seemed okay... :laugh:

"The Way We Were"!! Classic. :)

[amber]

"The Way We Were"!! Classic. :)
yeah, but what hair am I talking about? :confused:

[LongBlackScarf]

I'd rather listen to the sounds of my parents having sex than listen to Barbara Streisand.

Barbra Streisand. So....what about her voice irks you? Is it that she can actually sing? I think people today (not just people under 25 or 30) have gotten so used to lousy, groaning, tuneless vocals that they wouldn't appreciate a Streisand, or a Doris Day, or a Judy Garland or even an Ann Wilson if their ass was bitten by them. It's time to bring back voices in key. Voices that don't sound like a full body dry heave set to music! :woohoo:

[LongBlackScarf]

yeah, but what hair am I talking about? :confused:

Oh! :sorry: The hair in "The Way We Were". She (the character) has it ironed in the movie...to make it straight. You can see "The Katie Wig" and things about this movie here...


http://barbra-archives.com/Films/streisand_waywewere.html

[amber]

Oh! :sorry: The hair in "The Way We Were". She has it ironed in the movie...to make it straight. You can see "The Katie Wig" and thing about this movie here...


http://barbra-archives.com/Films/streisand_waywewere.html
Oh, that's weird. I thought there was one time period where it was all curly/fuzzy or something.
Thanks.

[LongBlackScarf]

Oh, that's weird. I thought there was one time period where it was all curly/fuzzy or something.
Thanks.

I was editing as you were writing. The Katie character has the curly hair early in their relationship and then she "has it ironed".

[amber]

I was editing as you were writing. The Katie character has the curly hair early in their relationship and then she "has it ironed".
:thumbsup:
Yay!

[sparky]

Barbra Streisand. So....what about her voice irks you? Is it that she can actually sing? I think people today (not just people under 25 or 30) have gotten so used to lousy, groaning, tuneless vocals that they wouldn't appreciate a Streisand, or a Doris Day, or a Judy Garland or even an Ann Wilson if their ass was bitten by them. It's time to bring back voices in key. Voices that don't sound like a full body dry heave set to music! :woohoo:

She is on key, but it is scientific, sterile, and to my ears utterly emotionless and phony. But, people love her. Especially promoters. It is her, and Eagles, after all, who originated sky high ticket prices to concerts. I just pity the people who have to work for her. All of the people I have known who did, and there are many, say they would rather change careers or starve than be in the same zip code as her ever again. I prefer an inferior technical artist to one who treats people like garbage. Since I work in the business, I can't support performers who are monstrously cruel to my peers. Call me silly.

Nonetheless, people worship her. I don't get it. But my gay card was revoked while I was in high school. :lol:

[Moony]

Barbra Streisand. So....what about her voice irks you? Is it that she can actually sing? I think people today (not just people under 25 or 30) have gotten so used to lousy, groaning, tuneless vocals that they wouldn't appreciate a Streisand, or a Doris Day, or a Judy Garland or even an Ann Wilson if their ass was bitten by them. It's time to bring back voices in key. Voices that don't sound like a full body dry heave set to music! :woohoo:
I wouldn't care if she had the most technically skilled voice on earth - her voice annoys the **** out of me. And I don't care for barf-inducing AC music either. By the way I love Ann Wilson.

[Moony]

She is on key, but it is scientific, sterile, and to my ears utterly emotionless and phony. But, people love her.
:thumbsup:

Nonetheless, people worship her. I don't get it. But my gay card was revoked while I was in high school. :lol:
As I've said before, I was never even issued a card :o

[sparky]

I wouldn't care if she had the most technically skilled voice on earth - her voice annoys the **** out of me. And I don't care for barf-inducing AC music either. By the way I love Ann Wilson.

THE ANN ! Technically great, and still pure rock and roll. Down to earth, funny as hell, and absolutely kind person to boot !

[LongBlackScarf]

I just pity the people who have to work for her. All of the people I have known who did, and there are many, say they would rather change careers or starve than be in the same zip code as her ever again.:


Oh now!!! *sniffs air* I just smell me Some Big Ole Drama Queens there. I think you can see how someone would dope it like that. People tend to get highly colorful when they relate stories about major celebs! :o ;) :p

[sparky]

Oh now!!! *sniffs air* I just smell me Some Big Ole Drama Queens there. I think you can see how someone would dope it like that. People tend to get highly colorful when they relate stories about major celebs! :o ;) :p

Not the industry veterans I know, who have worked with everyone from Elizabeth Taylor and Bob Mackie to Hillary Duff and Babe The Pig. We don't tell each other stories on sets for sheer entertainment. It's to warn people who they should avoid - which jobs not to take. We don't solicit horror stories. And believe me, I don't get second hand trash. When people are awful, the word spreads like wildfire. I heard two stories tonight at a party that happened yesterday and the behavior of these people would curl your hair.

On the other hand, it is a joy to tell the stories about people who are fantastic to work with. That list is much longer. The stories don't come out of thin air. No one wants to go to work on a set for 14-18 hours a day with a human being who makes everyone's lives a living hell. Life is too short.

[JazmenFlowers]

Awwww! I am kinda sorry to hear that. I would recommend seeing "What's Up Doc?" with Ryan O'Neal and Babs. It's utterly hysterical and she's at her most beautiful in it. I do say, she's NOT ageing well, and yet, she got her HUNK. She got Brolin! YUM! And my 2 favorite albums of hers are "Songbird" and "Superman." Maybe you'll give these a try sometime?!

http://www.jennifer-too.com/tides/doc/docpiano.jpg

Love every song on those two...especially Honey Can I Put On Your Clothes

[JazmenFlowers]

She is on key, but it is scientific, sterile, and to my ears utterly emotionless and phony. But, people love her. Especially promoters. It is her, and Eagles, after all, who originated sky high ticket prices to concerts. I just pity the people who have to work for her. All of the people I have known who did, and there are many, say they would rather change careers or starve than be in the same zip code as her ever again. I prefer an inferior technical artist to one who treats people like garbage. Since I work in the business, I can't support performers who are monstrously cruel to my peers. Call me silly.

Nonetheless, people worship her. I don't get it. But my gay card was revoked while I was in high school. :lol:

I'm sorry you feel that way. To me, you are missing out on a great talent and someone who is, IMO, very emotional and has songs that are really touching and meaningful for those times in everyone's life. Her whole idea is to create a character with a song. I will admit that her voice has changed a bit and may have lost some of her clear range, but listening to All the Children on the new album, she hits a high note and holds it and it gives me chills in the way I wish Stevie could still do some amazing vocals on Rhiannon.

[JazmenFlowers]

your sig is so beautiful. Don't know if its new, or if I just never noticed it before.


thank you - it is fairly new

[sparky]

I'm sorry you feel that way. To me, you are missing out on a great talent and someone who is, IMO, very emotional and has songs that are really touching and meaningful for those times in everyone's life. Her whole idea is to create a character with a song. I will admit that her voice has changed a bit and may have lost some of her clear range, but listening to All the Children on the new album, she hits a high note and holds it and it gives me chills in the way I wish Stevie could still do some amazing vocals on Rhiannon.


Well, I feel nothing when I hear her sing. Nothing good, anyway. The reputation is just icky icing on a cake I don't wanna eat. But, good for you that you have other singers that invoke those chills. :wavey: I am listening to Trisha Yearwood right now and she does the same thing for me. And, she's an nice one too. :laugh:

[Serrart]

"The Way We Were"!! Classic. :)

Yes, it's a great movie, she's very good in it (and it has an intriguing easter egg: the practical lesson on how to seduce your acting partner, trying and trying again till you succeed). I also liked her in Hello Dolly, Yentl, What's Up Doc and Meet the Fockers :D . What I don't like of her is her total lack of spontaneity (yes, Lindsey converted me to his cause :p ), and her arrogance. Prince of Tides and Mirror has Two Faces make look Norma Desmond as a shy wannabe.

Romy

[seeker007nmss]

You know, I love Barbara's voice, if only she wasnt such a MEGA-BITCH. :( I remember when I was in Vegas for Stevie's millenium show, Barbara was playing the MGM acroos the street, and someone told me she actually had it written into her contract that any employee of the hotel that looked her in the eye was to be fired. I dont have proof of this, but I heard it from several people that day. If it's true, that tops anything else I've heard.


It's true. I won't buy a single thing from her. She will never get a dime out of me. :mad: Psycho-cow.

[seeker007nmss]

Not the industry veterans I know, who have worked with everyone from Elizabeth Taylor and Bob Mackie to Hillary Duff and Babe The Pig. We don't tell each other stories on sets for sheer entertainment. It's to warn people who they should avoid - which jobs not to take. We don't solicit horror stories. And believe me, I don't get second hand trash. When people are awful, the word spreads like wildfire. I heard two stories tonight at a party that happened yesterday and the behavior of these people would curl your hair.

On the other hand, it is a joy to tell the stories about people who are fantastic to work with. That list is much longer. The stories don't come out of thin air. No one wants to go to work on a set for 14-18 hours a day with a human being who makes everyone's lives a living hell. Life is too short.


Go sparky! Go! :wavey:

[LongBlackScarf]

What I don't like of her is her total lack of spontaneity (yes, Lindsey converted me to his cause :p ), and her arrogance.

I don't find her arrogant at all. If anything, Babs is deeply insecure. If you ever get a chance to see her "Inside the Actor's Studio" you may sing another tune. She was pretty down to earth on there. All this throwing her weight around comes from how her Mom treated her. Her Mom really didn't encourage her all that much. She likes control. If she were a man, this conversation wouldn't be happening. And that's what I think is the saddest aspect of these "Barbra Streisand is a bitch" type threads. A strong woman who knows her craft is a bitch. A strong man is an "excellent business mind" or "a real leader." Maybe she just lacks the skills necessary to present herself more gently. I don't think she's a mean spirited person.

[strandinthewind]

I don't find her arrogant at all. If anything, Babs is deeply insecure. If you ever get a chance to see her "Inside the Actor's Studio" you may sing another tune. She was pretty down to earth on there. All this throwing her weight around comes from how her Mom treated her. Her Mom really didn't encourage her all that much. She likes control. If she were a man, this conversation wouldn't be happening. And that's what I think is the saddest aspect of these "Barbra Streisand is a bitch" type threads. A strong woman who knows her craft is a bitch. A strong man is an "excellent business mind" or "a real leader." Maybe she just lacks the skills necessary to present herself more gently. I don't think she's a mean spirited person.

I have to fess up and say I know people who have worked with her and found her to be a terror.

I have always thought she comes across as a hard core pushy New Yorker, which can be disarming if you are not from there and/or are unsued to it.

[dissention]

I don't find her arrogant at all. If anything, Babs is deeply insecure. If you ever get a chance to see her "Inside the Actor's Studio" you may sing another tune. She was pretty down to earth on there. All this throwing her weight around comes from how her Mom treated her. Her Mom really didn't encourage her all that much. She likes control. If she were a man, this conversation wouldn't be happening. And that's what I think is the saddest aspect of these "Barbra Streisand is a bitch" type threads. A strong woman who knows her craft is a bitch. A strong man is an "excellent business mind" or "a real leader." Maybe she just lacks the skills necessary to present herself more gently. I don't think she's a mean spirited person.

No, a man who acts like an asshole is a bitch. A woman who acts like an asshole is a bitch. It's very simple. If you act like one, people are going to call you one. Insecurity does not give one license to act like a terror to whomever they please. No one, regardless of their stature or clout, has that license and her reputation is well deserved.

[dissention]

I have always thought she comes across as a hard core pushy New Yorker, which can be disarming if you are not from there and/or are unsued to it.

There's a difference between pushy city folks and total assholes. She falls into the latter category. Unless I, as a city folk, am just speaking out of my ass and am a total asshole myself and unaware of it.

[strandinthewind]

There's a difference between pushy city folks and total assholes. She falls into the latter category. Unless I, as a city folk, am just speaking out of my ass and am a total asshole myself and unaware of it.


Well, I have been meaning to tell you . . . . :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[dissention]

Well, I have been meaning to tell you . . . . :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Yeah, you've sung that song many times. If I had a dime for every time you've called me a pushy, elitist snob, I'd be a Vanderbilt.

[sparky]

Yeah, you've sung that song many times. If I had a dime for every time you've called me a pushy, elitist snob, I'd be a Vanderbilt.

If you have your way, you will be one soon. By injection, anyway. :shocked:

[JazmenFlowers]

No, a man who acts like an asshole is a bitch. A woman who acts like an asshole is a bitch. It's very simple. If you act like one, people are going to call you one. Insecurity does not give one license to act like a terror to whomever they please. No one, regardless of their stature or clout, has that license and her reputation is well deserved.

while it may not give her a license to act in ways some of us are assuming she acts, it may give insight as to why. she was extremely poor and insecure as a child, her father died before she was 2 and her step-father slapped her and did permanent damage to one of her ears. she pulled herself up and rose to the top of her craft, imo, as a singer and actor. maybe she is a bitch or an asshole, maybe not, I don't know her and not sure anyone here does, but bitch or not, she has talent like none have or ever will - I'm sure none of us can say how we'd act if we grew up in that situation and became famous at 19. also, she's the biggest selling artist next to the likes of Elvis...she's doing something right and has lasted all this time.

suffice it to say, so what if she's a bitch. it doesn't make her any less an artist or person - she's done so much for various charities, stands up for what she believes in and opened doors for female artists..bitch? maybe, aren't we all...

[seeker007nmss]

No, a man who acts like an asshole is a bitch. A woman who acts like an asshole is a bitch. It's very simple. If you act like one, people are going to call you one. Insecurity does not give one license to act like a terror to whomever they please. No one, regardless of their stature or clout, has that license and her reputation is well deserved.


Yup, have to agree. There is no excuse for acting like an idiot. Just because they have cash or are famous is no excuse. I know a lot of strong women who know their craft, who aren't bitches, as well as men. It is just pure arrongance, they think the rules do not apply to them. Most of these types I have come across would be nothing if you took away the money and fame. Very shallow. I pity them mostly. I have also met famous rich types that were very kind and nice. So, just because you are "at the top" doesn't mean you have to be a troll.

[seeker007nmss]

suffice it to say, so what if she's a bitch. it doesn't make her any less an artist or person - she's done so much for various charities, stands up for what she believes in and opened doors for female artists..bitch? maybe, aren't we all...


Yes, it does make her less a person.....and NO we aren't all......To have someone fired for looking at you is just plain wrong and nothing can excuse such arrogance.

[LongBlackScarf]

Yes, it does make her less a person.....and NO we aren't all......To have someone fired for looking at you is just plain wrong and nothing can excuse such arrogance.

The celebrity scape goat. It used to be Babs, and then it went to Leona Hellmsley and then shifted to Martha Stewart. Now Martha's making nice-nice so she's off the hook. Who will be next?

And Jason said this:

maybe she is a bitch or an asshole, maybe not, I don't know her and not sure anyone here does, but bitch or not, she has talent like none have or ever will - I'm sure none of us can say how we'd act if we grew up in that situation and became famous at 19. also, she's the biggest selling artist next to the likes of Elvis...she's doing something right and has lasted all this time.

suffice it to say, so what if she's a bitch. it doesn't make her any less an artist or person - she's done so much for various charities, stands up for what she believes in and opened doors for female artists..bitch? maybe, aren't we all...

Bravo. :)

[JazmenFlowers]

Yes, it does make her less a person.....and NO we aren't all......To have someone fired for looking at you is just plain wrong and nothing can excuse such arrogance.

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[Serrart]

um, no it doesn't and yes, we all are at some time; being under the microscope 24/7 of course you come across as a mega-bitch. do you know for a fact that that's why the person was fired?

I've heard many not so nice stories about her from journalists, for example when she came in Italy, and was invited to a famous tv program, one of her bodyguards have thrown to the floor one of our major tv stars, the presenter of the program, only because he went to her dressing room to say hi, and she didn't even come out to see if he was okay. Then she let him know she was available to take one picture with him and he said no thanks.
Anyway, I think her detachment from reality is clearly visible in her art, at least in cinema. From a Star is born up to now her Mao Tse Tung- like cult of personality seriously damaged her acting career, and to have again a chance in Hollywood she had to accept Meet The Fockers, a project she despised. She must have liked the experience though since she's listed in the new sequel too.



Romy

[seeker007nmss]

um, no it doesn't and yes, we all are at some time; being under the microscope 24/7 of course you come across as a mega-bitch. do you know for a fact that that's why the person was fired?


She had the bellhops walk in backwards so they wouldn't look at her when they brought the suitcases in. Someone looked her way and she wanted them fired (The manager just moved him to another area- away from megabitch) This is beyond "having a bad day". I will give you everyone has their moments, but making people walk in backwards is just plain "bitchy", and had nothing to do with being under a microscope. And I classify this as "Less than a person" when you treat people that way. So I will again disagree with you, her behavior is inexcusable. 99.99999999% of all people if watched 24 hours a day would NEVER treat people like that. "I am too important for you to even look at - and if you do I will take away your livelihood - from hard working people making minimum wages and tips." Nothing can excuse such actions. Nothing. :mad:

[LongBlackScarf]

Didn't she do "Fockers" because her old pal Dustin Hoffman was in it, and not only that, Ben Stiller begged her to play his Mom? I must say, that was one dumb-ass movie. I think I snickered once and it was because of the baby, or one of the pets. Dustin was cute and he looked like he was having fun, but "Fockers" was way over-rated IMO.

[seeker007nmss]

The celebrity scape goat. . :)


I don't think it is a scapegoat. Most of the stories come from inside the industry and are rarely, if ever reported in the media. They come from those who work with her. Unfortunately, the media reports the bad news because good news rarely sells. Did anyone see much about Stevie visiting the troops in the hospital? Not much. Babs is consistant with her stories, and is getting worse. I just refuse to support anyone who acts like that consistantly. I use to like Sting's music, but met him personally and won't support him either. He is another jerk. I can't listen to anyone's music when I know what a piece of work they are. There is no reason for acting that way, especially when the episodes continue and are not isolated. Is it possible to have bad decades? :shrug:

[Serrart]

Didn't she do "Fockers" because her old pal Dustin Hoffman was in it, and not only that, Ben Stiller begged her to play his Mom? I must say, that was one dumb-ass movie. I think I snickered once and it was because of the baby, or one of the pets. Dustin was cute and he looked like he was having fun, but "Fockers" was way over-rated IMO.

As far as I know, the studio promised to back up one of her projects as director if she did Fockers.

Romy

[LongBlackScarf]

I don't quite understand how a person can automatically say "so and so is a jerk" having met them one time. Yes, I will agree to co-workers telling stories that do not flatter their bosses. But meeting a celeb for just a minute or two and then summing up their personality by this one encounter seems rather unfair. We all have moods. We're all human. Sometimes celebs do use this status incorrectly. Like Russell Crowe throwing a phone at someone. That's just immature and very nearly "mental" behavior. Refusing an autograph or running from a fan or snubbing a fan is pretty acceptable to me though. Remember when Chris McVie was at Tower Records or someplace similar and she saw fans approaching and she wanted to run? I can't blame her.

[seeker007nmss]

I don't quite understand how a person can automatically say "so and so is a jerk" having met them one time. Yes, I will agree to co-workers telling stories that do not flatter their bosses. But meeting a celeb for just a minute or two and then summing up their personality by this one encounter seems rather unfair. We all have moods. We're all human. Sometimes celebs do use this status incorrectly. Like Russell Crowe throwing a phone at someone. That's just immature and very nearly "mental" behavior. Refusing an autograph or running from a fan or snubbing a fan is pretty acceptable to me though. Remember when Chris McVie was at Tower Records or someplace similar and she saw fans approaching and she wanted to run? I can't blame her.

I met him more than once, and seeing how he treated his people who work for him is pretty telling. And others have had similar stories. I agree that you can't judge people by one or two instances, but when they continue time and time again and form a pattern, well...there you go. I agree with you about judging people and I don't come to these conclusions quickly.

[dissention]

If you have your way, you will be one soon. By injection, anyway. :shocked:

Don't I wish. I'd never get out of bed long enough to be able to enjoy the spoils, dear.

The celebrity scape goat. It used to be Babs, and then it went to Leona Hellmsley and then shifted to Martha Stewart. Now Martha's making nice-nice so she's off the hook. Who will be next?

I don't need scapegoats, I call them as I see them. Barbra Streisand is a phenomenally gifted singer that I don't happen to care for and she also happens to be a major bitch. She's not alone in that arena, there are plenty of other bitches in her industry and many others who aren't in the entertainment industry. Assholes are everywhere in life, it's just that those who aren't big stars like Babs aren't afforded the celebrity label to help excuse their bad behavior.

Do I have respect for her accomplishments? You bet your ass I do. Do I admire her tenacity? Yup. I feel the same way about Martha Stewart. But that doesn't mean they aren't assholes.

suffice it to say, so what if she's a bitch. it doesn't make her any less an artist or person - she's done so much for various charities, stands up for what she believes in and opened doors for female artists..bitch? maybe, aren't we all...

She can donate all she wants to charities, but if she treats continues to treat the people around her like **** on the bottom of her designer shoes, it doesn't really matter. Charitable donations don't excuse assholism.

[LongBlackScarf]

Charitable donations don't excuse assholism.

True. But when it comes down to brass tacks, the benefactors are all I care about. The wallet owner is secondary. I'd even kiss Tom Arnold's toenails if he gave bigtime to charities. :eek:

[JazmenFlowers]

She had the bellhops walk in backwards so they wouldn't look at her when they brought the suitcases in. Someone looked her way and she wanted them fired (The manager just moved him to another area- away from megabitch) This is beyond "having a bad day". I will give you everyone has their moments, but making people walk in backwards is just plain "bitchy", and had nothing to do with being under a microscope. And I classify this as "Less than a person" when you treat people that way. So I will again disagree with you, her behavior is inexcusable. 99.99999999% of all people if watched 24 hours a day would NEVER treat people like that. "I am too important for you to even look at - and if you do I will take away your livelihood - from hard working people making minimum wages and tips." Nothing can excuse such actions. Nothing. :mad:

oh puke...don't hate the playa, hate the game :lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

She can donate all she wants to charities, but if she treats continues to treat the people around her like **** on the bottom of her designer shoes, it doesn't really matter. Charitable donations don't excuse assholism.

well you once again win for witty responses, but I'll just disagree

[strandinthewind]

well you once again win for witty responses, but I'll just disagree


You think charitable donations give people a right to be a jerk? Or do you just think she is not a jerk? I am not being a jerk, just confused :cool:

[dissention]

well you once again win for witty responses, but I'll just disagree

Okay. I donated a good deal of money to aid the victims of Katrina. Does that now give me license to force people to walk backwards when they're in my presence because I don't think they're good enough to look at me? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Okay. I donated a good deal of money to aid the victims of Katrina. Does that now give me license to force people to walk backwards when they're in my presence because I don't think they're good enough to look at me? :shrug:


As a point of order, I do not think most celebrities who do this do it because they feel the people are not good enough to look at them. I think it is, from what my friend who is an attorney who negotiates such things says, that the celebs do not want people gawking at them, bothering them, etc. Personally, I think it is stupid though.

[dissention]

As a point of order, I do not think most celebrities who do this do it because they feel the people are not good enough to look at them. I think it is, from what my friend who is an attorney who negotiates such things says, that the celebs do not want people gawking at them, bothering them, etc. Personally, I think it is stupid though.

It's dehumanizing and there's no excuse for it, celebrity or not. If you don't want the staff members of the establishment you're patronizing gawking at you or bothering you, kindly tell them that you'd appreciate it if they could be discreet and treat you like they would any other guest. And if one DARES to steal a glance of you, the Supreme Being, you don't try to get them fired. That's despicable.

I would make such a ****ty celebrity because I can't help but be nice to people I meet in public.

[strandinthewind]

It's dehumanizing and there's no excuse for it, celebrity or not. If you don't want the staff members of the establishment you're patronizing gawking at you or bothering you, kindly tell them that you'd appreciate it if they could be discreet and treat you like they would any other guest. And if one DARES to steal a glance of you, the Supreme Being, you don't try to get them fired. That's despicable.

Many do it though - Babs is not alone in that dept. Hell, Wacko Jacko did it to Crowe when she was a back up singer. I could never do it and I do not agree with it.

[dissention]

Many do it though - Babs is not alone in that dept.

I know, but that doesn't make it right.

Hell, Wacko Jacko did it to Crowe when she was a back up singer. I could never do it and I do not agree with it.

For the millionth time, it's CROW. She never married Russell, man. :laugh:

And in Jacko's case, it's understandable. Have you seen his face? o_O

[amber]

And in Jacko's case, it's understandable. Have you seen his face? o_O
:lol:
yeah, that was for the safety of his staff.

[sparky]

Okay. I donated a good deal of money to aid the victims of Katrina. Does that now give me license to force people to walk backwards when they're in my presence because I don't think they're good enough to look at me? :shrug:

Well, at least you could completely check out their butts that way.

[LongBlackScarf]

Well, at least you could completely check out their butts that way.

Walking backwards means just that. You face the person "meant to be respected" and you walk backwards. It's a sign of obeisance. The person facing you can see your eye contact, if you're properly averting your gaze, etc.

[sparky]

Walking backwards means just that. You face the person "meant to be respected" and you walk backwards. It's a sign of obeisance. The person facing you can see your eye contact, if you're properly averting your gaze, etc.

Hmmm. I stand corrected. I prefer the other way. SO much more fun.
Of course, anyone who would demand such 'obeisance" should probably be euthanized. Or at least clubbed repeatedly with a large, heavy, barbed instrument. :woohoo:

[BTFLCHLD]

i was going through my albums this weekend, and one thing is for sure
she had a fantastic backside and was happy to share it :wavey:

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[JazmenFlowers]

i was going through my albums this weekend, and one thing is for sure
she had a fantastic backside and was happy to share it :wavey:

<img src="http://tinypic.com/dzxw6u.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

that is hilarious and you are so right! I think I read that she thought her ass was her greatest, uh, asset. If you've ever seen The Main Event you can really see the many closeups of it; also followed suit in some other movies.

That picture is from her Playboy photoshoot, which, like Stevie's, is one of my favorites of Barbra's.

[LongBlackScarf]

That picture is from her Playboy photoshoot,

Also used for the "Superman" album. I remember she really busted ass getting in shape for "The Main Event" and close ups of her bum were done every chance she got to aim it at a camera. :laugh:

[BTFLCHLD]

you can really see the many closeups if youd like i can bring the vinyl in for a scan...we can get an actual size photo of that marvelous bum :]

[JazmenFlowers]

if youd like i can bring the vinyl in for a scan...we can get an actual size photo of that marvelous bum :]

I always welcome pics of Babs since there isn't a good photo gallery anywhere on the net, that I've been able to find, which is really weird

[BTFLCHLD]

I always welcome pics of Babs since there isn't a good photo gallery anywhere on the net, that I've been able to find, which is really weird i will bring to scan tomorrow and you shall see her bum in all of her glory :D

[JazmenFlowers]

any guesses of which of these songs Barbra may do on her new tour?

I'd love to see her do the remix of Night of My Life, (Our Love) Don't Throw It Away and Letting Go.

[DavidMn]

any guesses of which of these songs Barbra may do on her new tour?

I'd love to see her do the remix of Night of My Life, (Our Love) Don't Throw It Away and Letting Go.I always liked that Duet she did with Barry Gibb, Guilty.