Heather Mills McCartney Loses Leg In Row With J Lo's Guards [Archive]

dissention

09-17-2005, 12:18 AM

Heather Mills McCartney Loses Leg In Row With J Lo's Guards
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/61252004.htm

SIR PAUL McCARTNEY'S amputee wife HEATHER MILLS McCARTNEY lost her prosthetic leg during a violent confrontation with security guards at JENNIFER LOPEZ's New York office.

The incident happened on Tuesday (13SEP05) as the former model-turned animal rights activist attempted to deliver a People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals (PETA) DVD showing creatures being killed for fur to Lopez, following a demonstration at which the 37-year-old pleaded with fans to boycott the superstar's music, movies and clothes because she uses fur in her fashion range Sweetface.

After striding into the building opposite Manhattan's Bryant Park, accompanied by an entourage of journalists and photographers, McCartney Mills - who lost a leg after being hit by a car in 1993 - was confronted by burley minders who yelled "you have no authority to be here. Get out! Leave the floor immediately!"

In the tussle that ensued, Mills McCartney's prosthetic leg became detached.

She bent down and clutched her knee in pain, before asking to use a bathroom so she could reattach the leg. Guards refused and she was forced to cling onto a photographer as she carried out the humiliating task on a stairwell.

Photographer Richard Corkery tells 25hoursonline.com, "I saw her touch her knee and I could see she was in pain. She limped to the ladies room but it was locked. I found another door open - it lead on to the stairwell. At least she could have a private moment - which is what she needed." .

According to 25hoursonline.com, Lopez's guards continued to verbally attack the group - screaming "Call the cops! Call the cops!!" - until Mills McCartney recovered her composure and was able to leave the building.

Meanwhile husband SIR PAUL McCARTNEY is backing his younger brother against claims he groped a waitress at a party, calling the allegations "ludicrous".

MIKE McCARTNEY, 61, has been charged with sexual assault following the incident in a suburb of the brothers' native Liverpool, England.

But the former BEATLE, 63, is adamant his brother, "A devoted family man," is innocent.

He says, "Mike has respect for people and has earned respect for himself in his professional and private life."

DavidMn

09-17-2005, 12:29 AM

hmmm, too bad she didnt have a fake arm too or the headline couldve read "Trip to see J-LO costs McCartney and arm and a leg...." :lol:

dissention

09-17-2005, 12:31 AM

hmmm, too bad she didnt have a fake arm too or the headline couldve read "Trip to see J-LO costs McCartney and arm and a leg...." :lol:

I feel so bad for her. I can't imagine how humiliating that must have been, especially with those goons being so cruel and nasty about it.

DavidMn

09-17-2005, 12:33 AM

I feel so bad for her. I can't imagine how humiliating that must have been, especially with those goons being so cruel and nasty about it.
Yes, I agree, it sounds like they werent very nice to her to say the least. Oh well, I remember one time hearing this story about J-LO that in London she and her entire posse got into the limo to go like 50 feet from one end of the hotel courtyard to the other. :distress:

dissention

09-17-2005, 12:37 AM

Yes, I agree, it sounds like they werent very nice to her to say the least. Oh well, I remember one time hearing this story about J-LO that in London she and her entire posse got into the limo to go like 50 feet from one end of the hotel courtyard to the other. :distress:

J Lo's a heartless bitch. There have been campaigns for months to get her to stop using fur in her clothing line and she won't hear any of it. She even used her "clout" to get Billboard to pull a PETA ad. I won't pay to see any of her movies and I certainly won't buy one of her **** albums.

GODDESS6

09-17-2005, 07:33 AM

j-lo is trash~ this is appalling!!!~ poor heather :distress: ~

paleshadow

09-17-2005, 10:24 AM

I feel so bad for her. I can't imagine how humiliating that must have been, especially with those goons being so cruel and nasty about it.

That is really awful. On the other hand, what a good way to draw attention to your plight.

GODDESS6

09-17-2005, 10:35 AM

strandinthewind

09-17-2005, 10:37 AM

That is really awful. On the other hand, what a good way to draw attention to your plight.

Hey now - PETA could never have any intentions like that :rolleyes:

On edit and because I just cannot resist :laugh:

Who does HM she is that she can "stride" uninvited into a private office with an entourage apparently immediately after publicly insulting the people in their and with the sole intent of causing trouble. Did she think they would welcome her with open arms because she is someone famous' wife? Moreover, why didn't she just leave when told to leave, which could have avoided the tussle that happened after she was told to leave. Thus, according to the facts presented in this article, HM acted in a way that knowingly put her in situation where she could be thrown out and J-Lo is not at fault for what happened.

I do think she should have been allowed to put her leg back on, but I am sure after the tussle people were really not inclined to be nice to her. This is PETA we are talking about and they are known to use violence to get their point across no matter how genuinely noble their point is.

mikeschmike

09-17-2005, 10:53 AM

I'm not fooled by the rocks that she's got, J-lo is a bitch. She's approaching "washed up" status quicker then she can fire an assistant for not opening her water bottle before giving to her.

GODDESS6

09-17-2005, 11:00 AM

I'm not fooled by the rocks that she's got, J-lo is a bitch. She's approaching "washed up" status quicker then she can fire an assistant for not opening her water bottle before giving to her.
this was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nod: ~

dissention

09-17-2005, 11:00 AM

somebody gave me a rabbit fur coat when i was a kid, i remember i loved it sooooo much, but wouldn't wear it anymore when my father not only told me cute little bunnies died to make this coat, but died horribly i'm sure~ i have never been a fan of J-HO's,i don't think she is a very good actres or singer, & she certainly carries herslef w/ no class :( ~

They torture the animals before they die. The traps that are set to catch them usually don't kill them, only wounding them instead. Then they're put into cages to suffer until these butchers deem it time to skin them. When they do murder them, they either electrocute them, poison them with carbon-monoxide, break their necks, slit their throats, or strangulate them. Unfortunately, a great number of them do not die from any of that and end up being skinned alive. People who wear real fur when they can wear faux fur sicken me.

irishgrl

09-17-2005, 11:02 AM

Hey now - PETA could never have any intentions like that :rolleyes:

On edit and because I just cannot resist :laugh:

Who does HM she is that she can "stride" uninvited into a private office with an entourage apparently immediately after publicly insulting the people in their and with the sole intent of causing trouble. Did she think they would welcome her with open arms because she is someone famous' wife? Moreover, why didn't she just leave when told to leave, which could have avoided the tussle that happened after she was told to leave. Thus, according to the facts presented in this article, HM acted in a way that knowingly put her in situation where she could be thrown out and J-Lo is not at fault for what happened.

I do think she should have been allowed to put her leg back on, but I am sure after the tussle people were really not inclined to be nice to her. This is PETA we are talking about and they are known to use violence to get their point across no matter how genuinely noble their point is.

I tend to agree. Its one thing to demonstrate across the street, thats protected speech. But to agressively enter someones office and berate them and get in their face, what did she expect? Her cause may be worthy, but her methods crossed the line. PETA lost some credibility for me when they started resorting to agressive protests, vandalism and intimidation tactics.
Sorry. not a good way to get people to sympathize with your cause IMO.

dissention

09-17-2005, 11:03 AM

I do think she should have been allowed to put her leg back on

That's the whole point, not any of that other predictable stuff you said. It was downright cruel for them to treat her the way she did after her leg fell off. I get that they were pissed off and wanted her out, but christ, that was low.

In any event, Heather Mills McCartney's behavior in no way changes how heartless and disgusting an individual J Lo is for using real fur in her clothing line.

Janet

09-17-2005, 11:20 AM

I just don't understand why HM didn't do things in a different manner. It's totally humiliating how that all went down but I just don't get why the woman, with her newfound clout, just didn't go about it differently.

Fur is horrible, I would never wear it. I never touch veal either.

But there are ways to go about protesting it without looking like a crazy madwoman. The story of the leg will be alot bigger than the issue at hand, that J.Lo hates furry little animals.

dissention

09-17-2005, 11:28 AM

But there are ways to go about protesting it without looking like a crazy madwoman. The story of the leg will be alot bigger than the issue at hand, that J.Lo hates furry little animals.

How are you going to get attention to your cause by just standing outside an office with a sign? You can't, not these days. People drive by those who picket and they snicker. It takes salt, ingenuity, and outrageousness to get attention. I'd be willing to bet that this incident alone got many, many more hits to the PETA website than any picket line protest would, and if that means people are currently reading about the horrific ways animals are treated and possibly changing their minds about their support of such practices, it's a good thing in my eyes.

DrummerDeanna

09-17-2005, 02:24 PM

Well I have even less respect for PETA in this story.

Yes it sucks that HEather lost her leg - why did the confrontation get violent though?

She is half to blame in this IMO. Yes they should have let her re-attach it - but emotions were probably high - and PETA people are totally unpredictable - so who knows what people were thinking.

Why J-LO is to blame in this story is beyond me - she wasn't there - she didn't order then to not let HMM put her leg back on :rolleyes:

J-Lo is a fun loving gal - she worked to get to where she is and if she wants to wear fur then I say more power to her!

BombaySapphire3

09-17-2005, 02:30 PM

"The incident happened on Tuesday (13SEP05) as the former model-turned animal rights activist attempted to deliver a People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals (PETA) DVD showing creatures being killed for fur to Lopez, following a demonstration at which the 37-year-old pleaded with fans to boycott the superstar's music, movies and clothes because she uses fur in her fashion range Sweetface. "
Boycotting probably won't be neccesary for much longer considering the abysmal quality of her recent fims and records. Didn't her last album Afterbirth pretty much sink without a trace?

catinthedark

09-17-2005, 02:53 PM

Who does HM she is that she can "stride" uninvited into a private office with an entourage apparently immediately after publicly insulting the people in their and with the sole intent of causing trouble. Did she think they would welcome her with open arms because she is someone famous' wife? Moreover, why didn't she just leave when told to leave, which could have avoided the tussle that happened after she was told to leave. Thus, according to the facts presented in this article, HM acted in a way that knowingly put her in situation where she could be thrown out and J-Lo is not at fault for what happened.

I do think she should have been allowed to put her leg back on, but I am sure after the tussle people were really not inclined to be nice to her. This is PETA we are talking about and they are known to use violence to get their point across no matter how genuinely noble their point is.

I totally agree. I actually think both extremes of this debate do the issue no good. Neither PETA nor people like Heather Mills (is that her name - I just blanked).

dissention

09-17-2005, 03:49 PM

J-Lo is a fun loving gal - she worked to get to where she is and if she wants to wear fur then I say more power to her!

That's nice. I wonder how you would enjoy being anally electrocuted and then skinned alive just so that people who "worked to get where they are" can wear you about town.

Just yesterday we were discussing Christianity, so how Christian-like is it to torture and brutalize these creatures? Would Jesus approve?

DrummerDeanna

09-17-2005, 04:09 PM

That's nice. I wonder how you would enjoy being anally electrocuted and then skinned alive just so that people who "worked to get where they are" can wear you about town.

Just yesterday we were discussing Christianity, so how Christian-like is it to torture and brutalize these creatures? Would Jesus approve?

:laugh:

That may be the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard!

God gave us dominion over the animals - believe it or not - animals have been getting killed by man since the dawn of time - for food and for wear.

It's called the "circle of life" as Disney has coined it - we just happen to be at the top of the food chain!

How do you know who supplies J-Lo with her furs? Maybe she gets them from a humane fur dealer :laugh:

Either way - PETA is such a ridiculous organization - they're radicals plain and simple.

I'm all for animal rights etc- but they go too far.

BombaySapphire3

09-17-2005, 04:22 PM

On a lighter note wasn't there a song co-written by Heather's hubby and John Lennon about a furry little animal and a missing leg? Rocky Racoon.

dissention

09-17-2005, 04:22 PM

That may be the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard!

I'm glad you think so. Again, how would you enjoy being anally electrocuted and then skinned alive?

God gave us dominion over the animals - believe it or not - animals have been getting killed by man since the dawn of time - for food and for wear.

Why brutalize innocent animals when you can easily get synthetic fur apparel? That "God gave us animals for wear" argument is bull****.

It's called the "circle of life" as Disney has coined it - we just happen to be at the top of the food chain!

I didn't know that being at the top of the food chain keeps us from having a conscience about the way we treat other living creatures.

How do you know who supplies J-Lo with her furs? Maybe she gets them from a humane fur dealer :laugh:

There is no such thing as a humane dealer. It's an oxymoron. Especially considering that there are no federal regulations whatsoever when it comes to fur farms and how they treat their animals.

Either way - PETA is such a ridiculous organization - they're radicals plain and simple.

I'm all for animal rights etc- but they go too far.

How can you be for animal rights when you just said that J Ho worked hard to get where she is, therefore she has the right to use fur? What rights are you advocating for the animals that her company brutally slaughters to cover her enormous ass and line her pockets with?

Moony

09-17-2005, 04:33 PM

:laugh:

That may be the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard!

God gave us dominion over the animals - believe it or not - animals have been getting killed by man since the dawn of time - for food and for wear.

It's called the "circle of life" as Disney has coined it - we just happen to be at the top of the food chain!

How do you know who supplies J-Lo with her furs? Maybe she gets them from a humane fur dealer :laugh:

Either way - PETA is such a ridiculous organization - they're radicals plain and simple.

I'm all for animal rights etc- but they go too far.

Ok, but these animals are being TORTURED, just so rich socialites/celebrities/morons can wear fur. Does that not evoke any sympathy from you?

DrummerDeanna

09-17-2005, 04:42 PM

Whatever - PETA is a group of radicals.

I am not going to defend my views or anything because it's useless around here.

Moony

09-17-2005, 04:54 PM

Whatever - PETA is a group of radicals.

I am not going to defend my views or anything because it's useless around here.
Well, I'm not a PETA member and I don't agree with Heather Mills' tactics at all, and I'm not trying to start an argument with you - I'd just like to ask you something. Alright, I'll take into account your belief that "God gave us dominion over animals" and that humans have used fur as clothing throughout history. BUT, fur is no longer necessary - and for those who want the look and feel of it, synthetic material is available. So my question to you is, why should animals continue to die cruel and violent deaths so they can be made into coats? After all, aren't they also "God's creatures?" Shouldn't they be treated with an amount of respect?

gldstwmn

09-17-2005, 05:08 PM

That is really awful. On the other hand, what a good way to draw attention to your plight.
My thoughts exactly.

gldstwmn

09-17-2005, 05:11 PM

gldstwmn

09-17-2005, 05:13 PM

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Who does HM she is that she can "stride" uninvited into a private office with an entourage apparently immediately after publicly insulting the people in their and with the sole intent of causing trouble?

That's what fighting against the man is all about. :laugh:

Livia

09-17-2005, 05:28 PM

LOL - Here's another reason to dislike J-Lo:

ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=1135088)

ABC News
Freeman's Co-Star Gets Different View
Freeman's 'Unfinished Life' Co-Star Gets Different View of Serious Actor in Scene With Partial Nudity
By The Associated
The Associated Press

Sep. 17, 2005 - Boxers or briefs? Becca Gardner got a backside view of co-star Morgan Freeman for a scene in "An Unfinished Life."

In the new movie directed by Lasse Hallstrom, Freeman plays a ranchman who was mauled by a bear, making him dependent on morphine. Becca's character has to give him an injection.

"I was kind of nervous to see, like, his butt, and I pulled down his pants and he was wearing a thong!" the 15-year-old told The Associated Press in an interview.

"An Unfinished Life" also stars Robert Redford and Jennifer Lopez.

"Everybody else knows her as J.Lo, but I see her as Jennifer," Becca said. "Like they're two different people. She was like a big sister to me. She's so sweet and loving."

When Lopez asked Becca to name her favorite singer, "I told her Stevie Nicks and she said, `I only know one of her songs,' and she tried to sing the song, but she didn't know the words very well, so I had to teach her."

Becca, who was 13 when she won the role, said she was nervous about meeting Redford.

"I'm like, `Hi, Mr. Redford,' and he's like, `You can call me Bob.' I'm like, `OK. You can call me Becca.' I think of him as a stand-in grandpa."

dissention

09-17-2005, 05:35 PM

Whatever - PETA is a group of radicals.

That's your opinion, but I'm not talking about PETA; I'm talking about the torturing and brutalizing of animals for no reason. I've continually asked how you feel about it and you won't answer me, other than to say that it's okay for J Lo because she worked to get where she is. :shrug:

DrummerDeanna

09-17-2005, 05:52 PM

Well - killing animals - that's how you get fur! I'm sure they're not pinning them down and slowly removing their limbs -then holding them up for the animals to see. They're bred for fur - does that make it right? Well not to some.

I, personally, would not wear fur.

I, personally think it is sad at tragic that the animals are killed - but there are bigger fish to fry in my opinion.

I'm not the one torturing the animals - nor is J-Lo...

If someone wants to wear fur or alligator shoes or a Deanna skin stole - then more power to them.

Serrart

09-17-2005, 05:52 PM

That's terrible, I hope Jennifer Lopez would show some dignity at least apologizing to Heather Mills.

Romy

dissention

09-17-2005, 05:59 PM

dissention

09-17-2005, 06:03 PM

I'm not the one torturing the animals - nor is J-Lo...

J Lo is the one giving her business to these butchers and then selling their hides to make money! There would be no difference if she was the one actually skinning them. Just like people who buy KFC and meat products; they're killing those animals right alongside the actual ones doing the murdering.

irishgrl

09-17-2005, 06:14 PM

J Lo is the one giving her business to these butchers and then selling their hides to make money! There would be no difference if she was the one actually skinning them. Just like people who buy KFC and meat products; they're killing those animals right alongside the actual ones doing the murdering.

Diss, I have a feeling those "fur farms" were operating LONG before JLO came along, and even if she changed her line and went to faux fur, those farms arent going away. Same thing with butchering meat. I dont wear fur (I DO eat meat), but I think if you are going to espouse a cause, it behooves you to act in a credible manner. Otherwise, people write you off as a buch of loonies and you lose support.

DrummerDeanna

09-17-2005, 06:21 PM

Oh give me a break - because someone eats at KFC they are good as murdering the animals? :rolleyes:

I don't feel the need to really defend or even really explain my positions here - I know what's in my heart and that's all that is important.

dissention

09-17-2005, 06:27 PM

Diss, I have a feeling those "fur farms" were operating LONG before JLO came along, and even if she changed her line and went to faux fur, those farms arent going away. Same thing with butchering meat.

No one said fur farms are going away any time soon; the realistic goal is to work towards making fur less of a desired commodity, which would lessen the number of innocent animals being slaughtered to manufacture such despicable apparel. It isn't that hard to comprehend.

I dont wear fur (I DO eat meat), but I think if you are going to espouse a cause, it behooves you to act in a credible manner. Otherwise, people write you off as a buch of loonies and you lose support.

The same can be said for the tactics of liberals and Democrats.

I think PETA takes things a bit too far at times, but on the other hand, I'm grateful that they do because it leads to more attention and more exposure to animal rights. At this point, a peaceful protest isn't going to get you anywhere; you need to be loud and obnoxious to get the desired attention. Do you think writing letters to companies are going to stop what they do to animals? I think not. Do you think that standing outside their offices with signs is going to do anything? I think not. They have to be outrageous in order to get their points across.

dissention

09-17-2005, 06:31 PM

Oh give me a break - because someone eats at KFC they are good as murdering the animals? :rolleyes:

Of course they are. By giving them your business, you're telling them it's perfectly okay for them boil their chickens alive, cut off their beaks, break their legs, hang them from hooks, pump them so full of drugs that they grow abnormally, and slit their throats while they can still feel everything being done to them. An innocent animal had to die for you to enjoy you artery-clogging filth of a dinner item.

estranged4life

09-17-2005, 06:59 PM

J-Ho, HM or PETA (Please Eat The Animals) :rolleyes:

I laugh at PETA alot more than before...They came to Oklahoma a year or so ago to offer 20,000 lbs of veggie burgers to the town of Slaughterville in exchange Slaughterville would change their name...

The town unanimously voted no, Why, Because the town was named after a Mr.Slaughter not because of the rumoured reason that PETA stated...

PETA suffered egg on face and went ahead and donated the veggie burgers anyways.

I will say I did see one positive about PETA, Back in June 2002 when the Ford Center opened for business the first show inside was the (lame) Ringling Bros. & Barnum Bailey Circus...They (PETA) had a beautiful woman painted up like a tiger inside a cage to protest the circus' mistreatment of animals (I agree with PETA on that), The news showed this gorgeous lady as they interviewed her inside the cage...

Only thing the news didnt know she was nude and was wearing paint in all the nice strategic places...Man, she had a nice body, Made me want to join PETA just to get her phone # (I dont think the wife would like that much.)

irishgrl

09-17-2005, 07:28 PM

No one said fur farms are going away any time soon; the realistic goal is to work towards making fur less of a desired commodity, which would lessen the number of innocent animals being slaughtered to manufacture such despicable apparel. It isn't that hard to comprehend.

I think PETA takes things a bit too far at times, but on the other hand, I'm grateful that they do because it leads to more attention and more exposure to animal rights. At this point, a peaceful protest isn't going to get you anywhere; you need to be loud and obnoxious to get the desired attention. Do you think writing letters to companies are going to stop what they do to animals? I think not. Do you think that standing outside their offices with signs is going to do anything? I think not. They have to be outrageous in order to get their points across.

I disagree. I think outrageous behavior only gets you disdain.

I think people have been gradually switching over to other fabrics on their own, JLO wont sell any furs to people who wont wear them, and I truly think the demand is down, therefore that particular line will probably fizzle all on its own.

PETA is no better than the Christian fundies if they resort to strongarm tactics or outrageous behavior to force everyone to march to their tune...In the end, we are all only responsible for our OWN behavior. We each must act according to our own conscience.

Jessica Leigh

09-17-2005, 08:45 PM

J Lo is crap... in addition to all of the stupid things she's done that people have already mentioned, she is also nasty to customer service people. She is well known in the restaurant business as a total bitch and every time i hear about someone waiting on her, she has brought in a huge entourage, they've racked up a couple hundred dollar tab, and then JLo will leave a handfull of change for the server's tip and laugh as she walks away. this is not just once or twice- but many times, from many different servers i have heard this. i hope karma will totally get her

reebokandlace

09-17-2005, 09:39 PM

J-Lo is trash. More money than brains. She'll piss it all away. She is walking the same path as MC Hammer. I look forward to the day (10-20 years from now) when I walk into a boutique on Rodeo Drive and she is working as a cashier and I will be sure to treat her like ****.

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 03:49 AM

I'm glad you think so. Again, how would you enjoy being anally electrocuted and then skinned alive? . . . .

and the next time some fat cat pays you how much an hour for that leather sofa - please refuse :rolleyes: P.S. LV is made of leather and you are a proffesed LV girl - please surrender it all now :rolleyes:

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 03:51 AM

Whatever - PETA is a group of radicals.

I am not going to defend my views or anything because it's useless around here.

Amen!

My parents have a farm. If the people around here that eat meat knew half of what it took to get that nicely packaged steak in the store - they would HURL - much less the leather shoes, car seats, sofas, wtc. PUUUHHHLEEEZE

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 03:53 AM

That's nice. I wonder how you would enjoy being anally electrocuted . . . .

Well, there was that time in Guatamala :p

Seriously, I know animals should be treated better - and I support that.

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 04:05 AM

That's your opinion, but I'm not talking about PETA; I'm talking about the torturing and brutalizing of animals for no reason. I've continually asked how you feel about it and you won't answer me, other than to say that it's okay for J Lo because she worked to get where she is. :shrug:

But - that begs the question of what is a human way to kill the ones we eat. I have seen just about all methods there are and while personally I think one may be more humane than the other - they are all pretty horrible :shrug: Again, I am for the most humane way possible.

dissention

09-18-2005, 10:07 AM

and the next time some fat cat pays you how much an hour for that leather sofa - please refuse :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's definitely your brand of logic.

P.S. LV is made of leather and you are a proffesed LV girl - please surrender it all now :rolleyes:

You think I buy real LV? :lol: I'm not that frivolous with my money. I think I did once years ago. Knock-offs all the way, babe. You can even buy LV knock-offs at Overstock.com nowadays.

GODDESS6

09-18-2005, 10:13 AM

They torture the animals before they die. The traps that are set to catch them usually don't kill them, only wounding them instead. Then they're put into cages to suffer until these butchers deem it time to skin them. When they do murder them, they either electrocute them, poison them with carbon-monoxide, break their necks, slit their throats, or strangulate them. Unfortunately, a great number of them do not die from any of that and end up being skinned alive. People who wear real fur when they can wear faux fur sicken me.
this is so sad~ did you ever watch the docu, i think it was called "roger & me" another michael moore thingy?, but there was a chick on there who lost her job & was raising bunnies for this purpose, so she is sitting there holding 1 of her bunnies all sweet like, & then she just hits the poor thing in the head w/ a bat & skinned it right there, i thought i was gonna throw-up~ i will never wear fur~ hell my mall has a great store w/ fakes, you can hardly tell the difference~

dissention

09-18-2005, 10:18 AM

But - that begs the question of what is a human way to kill the ones we eat. I have seen just about all methods there are and while personally I think one may be more humane than the other - they are all pretty horrible :shrug: Again, I am for the most humane way possible.

Humane killing is an oxymoron and you know that.

It's unrealistic to think that anyone can put the meat industry out of business and stop people from eating meat, but it is not unrealistic to curb animal cruelty before these creatures are murdered for food. There is no excuse for the conditions they live in or the ways in which they're abused. To kill an animal by cutting limbs off while they're still alive and only stunned by electric shocks is reprehensible. Or to kill them by boiling them alive. Or to break their legs and shove them into cages to suffer until it's their time to have their throats slit. There are ways to prevent it but the meat industry doesn't want to because it would require too much effort and they see nothing wrong with what's happening.

dissention

09-18-2005, 10:19 AM

Well, there was that time in Guatamala :p

Seriously, I know animals should be treated better - and I support that.

What are you doing to support the better treatment of these animals?

dissention

09-18-2005, 10:21 AM

this is so sad~ did you ever watch the docu, i think it was called "roger & me" another michael moore thingy?, but there was a chick on there who lost her job & was raising bunnies for this purpose, so she is sitting there holding 1 of her bunnies all sweet like, & then she just hits the poor thing in the head w/ a bat & skinned it right there, i thought i was gonna throw-up~ i will never wear fur~ hell my mall has a great store w/ fakes, you can hardly tell the difference~

I don't know how those people can sleep at night. I can't even go into pet shops because I see all of those animals in cages and cry because they look so sad and I can't take them home. :laugh:

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 12:06 PM

What are you doing to support the better treatment of these animals?

Having a barbeque :wavey: :rolleyes:

Actually, Mr. Let's Try to Call Jason on the Carpet :rolleyes:

I give to many animal charities such The Humane Society as well as many human ones.

I also wrote my Congress People to support some Act about humane methods of slaughter.

What I do not do is throw paint on people or haul into someone's office that I consistently decry and expect them to welcome me with open arms and then act put upon when they throw me and my media crew out on my a$$.

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 12:08 PM

Humane killing is an oxymoron and you know that.

It's unrealistic to think that anyone can put the meat industry out of business and stop people from eating meat, but it is not unrealistic to curb animal cruelty before these creatures are murdered for food. There is no excuse for the conditions they live in or the ways in which they're abused. To kill an animal by cutting limbs off while they're still alive and only stunned by electric shocks is reprehensible. Or to kill them by boiling them alive. Or to break their legs and shove them into cages to suffer until it's their time to have their throats slit. There are ways to prevent it but the meat industry doesn't want to because it would require too much effort and they see nothing wrong with what's happening.

I agree with that and was not arguing against it. I was merely saying what is the difference between chopping a chicken's head off or some other method of killing it.

dissention

09-18-2005, 12:09 PM

Having a barbeque :wavey: :rolleyes:

Screw you. If you want to have a discussion about this, have one, don't act like an asshole just because you know how to piss me off.

Actually, Mr. Let's Try to Call Jason on the Carpet :rolleyes:

Am I not allowed to ask you what you're doing to support animal rights?

dissention

09-18-2005, 12:10 PM

I agree with that and was not arguing against it. I was merely saying what is the difference between chopping a chicken's head off or some other method of killing it.

There's quite a marked difference between gassing them and chopping off their heads while they're still alive.

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 12:19 PM

Yeah, that's definitely your brand of logic.

Well, I think you should put your money where your mouth is and insist on using leather only from cows humanely raised and then killed for that sofa. I mean how is that different than boycotting KFC for the inhumane way they raise their chickens :shrug: (which I abhor BTW)

You think I buy real LV? :lol: I'm not that frivolous with my money. I think I did once years ago. Knock-offs all the way, babe. You can even buy LV knock-offs at Overstock.com nowadays.

I do not care for LV at all. But, I LOVE overstock.com :nod:

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 12:22 PM

Screw you.

Well, make up sex can be hot ;)

If you want to have a discussion about this, have one, don't act like an asshole just because you know how to piss me off.

I thought it was funny and added levity :sorry:

Am I not allowed to ask you what you're doing to support animal rights?

It came across as snarky :shrug: But, if you say you did not intend it that way, that's good enough for me :xoxo:

strandinthewind

09-18-2005, 12:24 PM

There's quite a marked difference between gassing them and chopping off their heads while they're still alive.

Gassing them would seem the more cost efficient way as well.

dissention

09-18-2005, 12:25 PM

Well, I think you should put your money where your mouth is and insist on using leather only from cows humanely raised and then killed for that sofa. I mean how is that different than boycotting KFC for the inhumane way they raise their chickens :shrug: (which I abhor BTW)

Because I'm not in any sort of position to do so. I don't own my own company, therefore I don't make the rules. When I run my own business, that's when I can implement such rules. I do what is requested of me if I want to keep my job. I don't get paid hourly, as you said I did, I get paid a set fee depending on the job; some want leather, some don't.

trackaghost

09-18-2005, 03:09 PM

irishgrl

09-18-2005, 03:42 PM

The whole PETA thing is besides the point.
Does J-Lo really need to use real fur on her clothing?
This ain't the Middle Ages folks, there is absolutely no need for it.
And just because she has worked hard to get where she is doesn't justify it. I work hard too and I don't help skin animals alive.

I have to wonder of those who endorse Ms Lopez's right to wear fur, how would they feel if it was their dogs and cats who were being skinned alive for a trimming on some unattractive clothing?

What I find even more mystifying is who the hell is buying Lopez's ugly ass clothes anyway? I will never forgive her for reintroducing the velour tracksuit. Those nasty things don't look good on anybody, let alone overweight middle age women who still think they are hip by wearing something "J-Lo" had on last week.

AHEM. I resent the "overweight middle-aged" comment. I am heavy and in my mid-40's and I certainly wouldnt wear something only because it is trendy--especially JLO's line (I happen to abhor her "style") I choose my clothes for comfort and for coverage, as I suspect most heavy women do.
Its comments like yours that expose the pervasive prejudice against weight/age. One day, you too will be middle aged, possibly even overweight.
A little forebearance on your part wouldnt come amiss.

as for the fact that she uses fur, as I said before, most people DONT wear it any more and I predict that particular line wont do very well. I suspect that the few people that would buy fur probably wont like the reaction they will get from the rest of their friends etc...this whole phenomenon will probably become a non-issue in short order.

Moony

09-18-2005, 08:16 PM

The whole PETA thing is besides the point.
Does J-Lo really need to use real fur on her clothing?
This ain't the Middle Ages folks, there is absolutely no need for it.
And just because she has worked hard to get where she is doesn't justify it. I work hard too and I don't help skin animals alive.

I have to wonder of those who endorse Ms Lopez's right to wear fur, how would they feel if it was their dogs and cats who were being skinned alive for a trimming on some unattractive clothing?

What I find even more mystifying is who the hell is buying Lopez's ugly ass clothes anyway? I will never forgive her for reintroducing the velour tracksuit. Those nasty things don't look good on anybody, let alone overweight middle age women who still think they are hip by wearing something "J-Lo" had on last week.
Well said :xoxo:

AHEM. I resent the "overweight middle-aged" comment. I am heavy and in my mid-40's and I certainly wouldnt wear something only because it is trendy--especially JLO's line (I happen to abhor her "style") I choose my clothes for comfort and for coverage, as I suspect most heavy women do.

Those nasty things don't look good on anybody, let alone overweight middle age women who still think they are hip by wearing something "J-Lo" had on last week
I think that was more of her point, rather than the overweight statement.

irishgrl

09-18-2005, 09:42 PM

I think that was more of her point, rather than the overweight statement.

well, speaking as an overweight middle aged woman, I cant imagine wearing anything from JLO's Line, and I have my doubts that ANY overweight middle aged woman would rush right out and buy her clothes, thus the comment was off base if you ask me. The days of worrying about what is "hip" and perusing the fashion magazines are long gone for me....

trackaghost

09-19-2005, 06:23 AM

irishgrl

09-19-2005, 06:27 AM

I apologise, I didn't mean to offend.
A lot of people young and old wear those awful velour tracksuits (not necessarily J-Lo's, she just re-introduced the style) here in the UK, and they look terrible on everyone, that's all I meant.
I've seen plenty of people wearing them who shouldn't be. Both teenage girls and their mums wear them.

Alright then, its all good :angel: :wavey:
and you're right, its true, lots of people wear things they probably shouldnt...
but maybe those tracksuits are comfy? possibly its a chance to wear something casual and trendy? I dont know, I dont wear them because I know they would accentuate all the bad spots :lol: :eek:

trackaghost

09-19-2005, 06:32 AM

Alright then, its all good :angel: :wavey:
and you're right, its true, lots of people wear things they probably shouldnt...
but maybe those tracksuits are comfy? possibly its a chance to wear something casual and trendy? I dont know, I dont wear them because I know they would accentuate all the bad spots :lol: :eek:

They do look comfy but they're not too flattering unfortunately, which is why I can't wear them either. I think the only person who they look good on is J-Lo, which is why I blame her for the epidemic! :)