Poll: Bush approval dips below 40 percent

[gldstwmn]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9279799/

AP survey: Lowest rating yet as president criticized over gas prices, Katrina

WASHINGTON - President Bush’s job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush’s job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That’s the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public’s view of the nation’s direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

Click the link for the full article.

[strandinthewind]

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the country is awakening - though there are many people out there that think the Fed. Govt. did nothing wrong in the Katrina fiasco. I encountered several last night :eek:

[irishgrl]

Jason, didnt you just say the Feds could prove they acted to save lives in the other thread? now you're surprised other people are also saying that? go figure...

as for this:
with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

we're almost there, just the last third to win over and maybe we can turn this country around yet :nod:

[gldstwmn]

we're almost there, just the last third to win over and maybe we can turn this country around yet :nod:

The last third, IMO is the "take his word as gospel" base.
Should the number get down to 33%, you will most certainly see some ass saving manuevers on the part of the GOP. With those kind of numbers, they will certainly fair poorly in the 2006 mid terms.

[strandinthewind]

Jason, didnt you just say the Feds could prove they acted to save lives in the other thread? now you're surprised other people are also saying that? go figure...

Well, the Feds did save thousands of lives :shrug: The one thing FEMA did incorrectly was that it delayed food and supplies from getting to survivors for about four or so days until it had assembled its own suplies. But even with that unexcusable actionm, FEMA has still saved thousands :shrug:

Many people are just pissed that the able bodied people did not evacuate the city. I agree with them here because when these these able bodied became stranded, these people hindered the rescue and recovery of the thousands of people who were unable to evacuate.

They were also pissed at the Mayor of NOLA for not cooperating with the plan to use the school buses to evacuate the disabled and poor to the dome. The mayor is solidly at fault here.

What they do not get IMO is that in their blind support of W, it is possible for many to have acted poorly.

[DavidMn]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9279799/

AP survey: Lowest rating yet as president criticized over gas prices, Katrina

WASHINGTON - President Bush’s job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush’s job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That’s the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public’s view of the nation’s direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

Click the link for the full article.
I feel sorry for Jeb in '08. :p

[irishgrl]

I feel sorry for Jeb in '08. :p

hold the phone--is he running? did I miss that smelly detail?

[strandinthewind]

The last third, IMO is the "take his word as gospel" base.
Should the number get down to 33%, you will most certainly see some ass saving manuevers on the part of the GOP. With those kind of numbers, they will certainly fair poorly in the 2006 mid terms.

The GOP will be in a very difficult position then and it sort of is now. They most def. can betray W as his family is far to powerful to let that happen without taking down many powerful people with him. Yet, if W's approval rating drops any lower, few candidates in 06 or 08 will want anything to do with him. Lame duck indeed :eek:

[gldstwmn]

I feel sorry for Jeb in '08. :p

Why? :confused: He's just as big a turd as his two brothers. It will be all the same, baby all the same.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9279799/

AP survey: Lowest rating yet as president criticized over gas prices, Katrina

WASHINGTON - President Bush’s job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush’s job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That’s the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public’s view of the nation’s direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

Click the link for the full article.

Who exactly do they poll for things like this...no one I know that's for sure.

[DavidMn]

Why? :confused: He's just as big a turd as his two brothers. It will be all the same, baby all the same.
No, I was being sarcastic. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Who exactly do they poll for things like this...no one I know that's for sure.

I have been called a few times.

But, the way polling works is they ask a certain number of people based on many factors that are there to ensure that the sample pool is not biased. Then, the extrpolate the final number from the responses from that pool.

Most are fairly done - but some are not.

In the end, almost evey poll outside of Fox News (which historically reports only inaccurate ones ) - indicates W's numbers are falling fast. When they all, as opposed to only a few, say that, then it is kind of hard to question them.

[Johnny Stew]

Who exactly do they poll for things like this...no one I know that's for sure.Yeah, I always wondered who they were polling when his approval was above 80%.
Certainly wasn't anyone I know!

[gldstwmn]

I have been called a few times.



So have I. :nod:

[irishgrl]

what's your secret? I wish they'd call ME! :nod:

[DavidMn]

the one guy among the republicans that makes much of any sense to me is John McCain. One thing I hate about Bush and his handlers(See Svengali Rove) is how they tried to belittle his service record in Vietnam in the 2000 campaign. That was really tasteless in my opinion. I mean Bush never served his country in Battle. Clinton didnt either, just so no one thinks that I'm picking on one guy. I just have alot of respect for someone like John McCain or John Kerry that actually was in the field of battle. I dont approve of war, but I love our soldiers. Hope that makes some sense.

[strandinthewind]

what's your secret? I wish they'd call ME! :nod:

Beats me. Interstingly, you really cannot give comments as that would bias the results - though it was tempting to say So and So is a so and so and get the poller to agrew with you :laugh:-

You are just supposed to answer the questions - some of which were yes/no and some were "on a scale of 1 to five" . . . .

[gldstwmn]

what's your secret? I wish they'd call ME! :nod:

I have an unlisted phone number but I've voted in every election for quite a while now. Maybe they are getting my info from voter registration?

[gldstwmn]

the one guy among the republicans that makes much of any sense to me is John McCain. One thing I hate about Bush and his handlers(See Svengali Rove) is how they tried to belittle his service record in Vietnam in the 2000 campaign. That was really tasteless in my opinion.

They also push polled people into thinking he'd fathered an illegitimate black child.
Mc Cain was on quite a roll with his "Straight Talk Express". They had to find a way to stop him, and they did.

[irishgrl]

I hadnt heard that one...I thought that was somebody else, Strom Thurman or somebody?

Ive voted in every election since I was 18. Ive never been called. go figure :shrug:

[BombaySapphire3]

The last third, IMO is the "take his word as gospel" base.
Should the number get down to 33%, you will most certainly see some ass saving manuevers on the part of the GOP. With those kind of numbers, they will certainly fair poorly in the 2006 mid terms.
I don't see it dropping too much more without cutting into that core of born again,gun toters that would have to see him strangle a small child and bludgeon an elderly woman on national tv before they'd abandon the SS. Bush and even then I wonder about some of them.

[strandinthewind]

I don't see it dropping too much more without cutting into that core of born again,gun toters that what have to see him strangle a small child and bludgeon an elderly woman on national tv before they'd abandon the SS. Bush and even then I wonder about some of them.

I think people vote for W because there was no more favorable alternative. Essentially, Kerry provided no concrete view on anything and allowed W to portray him as something he was not, which was this flaming liberal. In the end and IMO, people vote for the least offensive candidate, which in the last election was pretty much 50/50 :shrug:

[irishgrl]

I think people vote for W because there was no more favorable alternative. Essentially, Kerry provided no concrete view on anything and allowed W to portray him as something he was not, which was this flaming liberal. In the end and IMO, people vote for the least offensive candidate, which in the last election was pretty much 50/50 :shrug:

funny...in MY mind, Bushwad is the MOST offensive candidate. but again, it was rigged. Kerry didnt get all the votes he should have gotten.

[strandinthewind]

funny...in MY mind, Bushwad is the MOST offensive candidate. but again, it was rigged. Kerry didnt get all the votes he should have gotten.

Kerry was very ineffective at going on the assault on W. Instead, he allowed himself to be torn to shreds by Bush operatives with little effective response, which I think is why he lost.

[BombaySapphire3]

I think people vote for W because there was no more favorable alternative. Essentially, Kerry provided no concrete view on anything and allowed W to portray him as something he was not, which was this flaming liberal. In the end and IMO, people vote for the least offensive candidate, which in the last election was pretty much 50/50 :shrug:
I agree Kerry was not whom I would have chosen to run against Smirky He just kind of filled the void after Dean's campaign crashed.I liked Dennis Kucinich of the Democratic candidates he made no bones about where he was coming from idealogically.But please even even If i'd never heard of Kerry or Smirky before .Curious George's awful debate performance would have cinched it for me.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Kerry was very ineffective at going on the assault on W. Instead, he allowed himself to be torn to shreds by Bush operatives with little effective response, which I think is why he lost.

And he made an awful mistake in having Edwards as his running mate, and I hate to say that considering I am from NC myself...but it is true. The Vice-Presidential debate was pathetic..."Vote for Kerry/Edwards because Edwards' old man use to learn math off the TV."

[strandinthewind]

And he made an awful mistake in having Edwards as his running mate, and I hate to say that considering I am from NC myself...but it is true. The Vice-Presidential debate was pathetic..."Vote for Kerry/Edwards because Edwards' old man use to learn math off the TV."

I disagree with you there. I think Edwards made the rather stone faced Kerry look human. Also, the polls indicate Edwards was very favorably received. In fact, I have always thought the golden Edwards could have beat W on his own. But, we will never know.

[strandinthewind]

Poll: Bush approval at 39 percent

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

"As a nation, we are pretty well stretched," said Barry Allen, a political independent from Reed City, Michigan. "I approve of some of the things the president has done and disapprove of others. Overall, I disapprove."

Allen said he liked some of Bush's economic steps during his first term but has been dissatisfied with the president's economic moves in his second term, his Iraq policy and his handling of gasoline prices.

Allen worries Hurricane Katrina has taken the wind out of an economy that was moving in the right direction.

With gasoline racing past $3 a gallon, Bush's standing on dealing with those prices may be one of his biggest problems -- seven in 10 said they disapprove.

And just over half in the poll, 52 percent, said they disapprove of the president's handling of the hurricane.

For Bill Kane of Kingsland, Georgia, the government's slow response to the hurricane "was terrifying to see in our own country. It made you mad, because it made you think where's our money going?"

More evidence of problems with the storm response surfaced Friday when the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced it would discontinue a 2-day-old program to issue debit cards worth to displaced families.

The administration also dumped FEMA Director Michael Brown, who had come to symbolize the stumbling early days of the hurricane response, as commander of Katrina relief efforts. (Full story)

Brown once served as the judges and stewards commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association.

"Bush puts people in jobs who don't know what they're doing," said Shirley Carignan, a retiree and a political independent from Weymouth, Massachusetts. "I think he's picking friends for these jobs. My girlfriend raises Arabians. You know horses, so what? Horses and people are different things."

The number of people who think the country is on the wrong track grew from 59 percent last month to 65 percent this month. Tumbling consumer confidence after Hurricane Katrina may be contributing to that sense of pessimism.

The RBC CASH Index, based on polling by Ipsos, showed that consumer confidence sank in September to the lowest level since early March 2003 before the start of the Iraq war.

Economic woes and a continuing war in Iraq have been complicated by the continuing hurricane recovery crisis.

"A lot of Americans don't pay attention to their leaders on a day-to-day basis," said Robert Blendon, a public opinion analyst at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. "They measure presidents, governors and mayors on how they handle big events like a hurricane. This event is not over because the bodies are going to be discovered day by day."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/bush.poll.ap/index.html

[dissention]

the one guy among the republicans that makes much of any sense to me is John McCain. One thing I hate about Bush and his handlers(See Svengali Rove) is how they tried to belittle his service record in Vietnam in the 2000 campaign. That was really tasteless in my opinion. I mean Bush never served his country in Battle. Clinton didnt either, just so no one thinks that I'm picking on one guy. I just have alot of respect for someone like John McCain or John Kerry that actually was in the field of battle. I dont approve of war, but I love our soldiers. Hope that makes some sense.

Fug, I hate McCain. Talk about a wet rag. His blind loyalty to his party makes my stomach sick and I think he has as much integrity as Jude Law's nanny.

[dissention]

Who exactly do they poll for things like this...no one I know that's for sure.

That's because they save the push polls for you and the people you know.

[dissention]

And he made an awful mistake in having Edwards as his running mate, and I hate to say that considering I am from NC myself...but it is true. The Vice-Presidential debate was pathetic..."Vote for Kerry/Edwards because Edwards' old man use to learn math off the TV."

:laugh:

Picking Edwards for his running mate was the only thing he got right. Edwards appealed more to people than Kerry did and he made Kerry look warmer by association.

[dissention]

I disagree with you there. I think Edwards made the rather stone faced Kerry look human. Also, the polls indicate Edwards was very favorably received. In fact, I have always thought the golden Edwards could have beat W on his own. But, we will never know.

He'll run in '08. I won't vote for him, but he'll definitely run and he stands a very good chance of winning.

[gldstwmn]

I don't see it dropping too much more without cutting into that core of born again,gun toters that would have to see him strangle a small child and bludgeon an elderly woman on national tv before they'd abandon the SS. Bush and even then I wonder about some of them.

I know. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I In fact, I have always thought the golden Edwards could have beat W on his own. But, we will never know.

He'll run again in '08. I'm almost positive.

[gldstwmn]

He'll run in '08. I won't vote for him, but he'll definitely run and he stands a very good chance of winning.

I think so too. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

He'll run again in '08. I'm almost positive.

He'd be a fool not to. Does anyone know how his wife is?

[gldstwmn]

He'd be a fool not to. Does anyone know how his wife is?

I heard she is doing well. She posts on another board that I am on. She posted after her treatment that her prognosis was good.

[irishgrl]

I heard she is doing well. She posts on another board that I am on. She posted after her treatment that her prognosis was good.

my my! hobnobbing with the hoi polloi, and being chosen for polls, you certainly DO get around my dear! (think I'll tag along and see if some of your fairy dust sprinkles off onto me!)

[gldstwmn]

my my! hobnobbing with the hoi polloi, and being chosen for polls, you certainly DO get around my dear! (think I'll tag along and see if some of your fairy dust sprinkles off onto me!)

:laugh: The board she posts on has 60,000 members. :shocked:

[strandinthewind]

:laugh: The board she posts on has 60,000 members. :shocked:

What ?

I thought Mary referred to your association with me :D :D :D :D :wavey:

[irishgrl]

What ?

I thought Mary referred to your association with me :D :D :D :D :wavey:

Oh Jason! you nut! :nod: :rolleyes: :woohoo: :lol: :wavey:

[dissention]

I heard she is doing well. She posts on another board that I am on. She posted after her treatment that her prognosis was good.

The DU? I am so happy over how the tide is changing over there, they're FINALLY taking some of the Dems to task for their bull****. I love it. My efforts to liven up the MA board over there keep failing and it's pissing me off, though. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Oh Jason! you nut! :nod: :rolleyes: :woohoo: :lol: :wavey:

You know my ego knows no limits :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

The DU? I am so happy over how the tide is changing over there, they're FINALLY taking some of the Dems to task for their bull****. I love it. My efforts to liven up the MA board over there keep failing and it's pissing me off, though. :laugh:

Yes. I went to see if I could find any recent posts by her but I wasn't able to.
And yes, quite a few people are fed up with both sides of the aisle.

[wondergirl9847]

WAY cute, so if his opponent is super ugly, he may win by that alone. :laugh:

[irishgrl]

:laugh: The board she posts on has 60,000 members. :shocked:
make that 60,001
(yep, I joined!)

[gldstwmn]

make that 60,001
(yep, I joined!)

Good for you. :) I think you'll like it.

[sara1998]

http://dontblamemeivoted4kerry.com/media/somewhereintexas.jpg

[Brwn_eyes0511]

http://dontblamemeivoted4kerry.com/media/somewhereintexas.jpg

That is soooo...2004! lol

[sara1998]

It soooo still applies.....

edited to add sarcasm...

[gldstwmn]

http://rasmussenreports.com/2005/Katrina_September%2018.htm

Bush Katrina Ratings Fall After Speech

Survey of 1,000 Adults

September 16-17, 2005

President Bush Response to

Hurricane Katrina

Excellent 17%
Good 18%
Fair 23%
Poor 41%
RasmussenReports.com


September 18, 2005--Thirty-five percent (35%) of Americans now say that President Bush has done a good or excellent job responding to Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. That's down from 39% before his speech from New Orleans.

The latest Rasmussen Reports survey shows that 41% give the President poor marks for handling the crisis, that's up 37% before the speech.

[dissention]

http://rasmussenreports.com/2005/Katrina_September%2018.htm

Bush Katrina Ratings Fall After Speech

Survey of 1,000 Adults

September 16-17, 2005

President Bush Response to

Hurricane Katrina

Excellent 17%
Good 18%
Fair 23%
Poor 41%
RasmussenReports.com


September 18, 2005--Thirty-five percent (35%) of Americans now say that President Bush has done a good or excellent job responding to Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. That's down from 39% before his speech from New Orleans.

The latest Rasmussen Reports survey shows that 41% give the President poor marks for handling the crisis, that's up 37% before the speech.

:shocked:

I'm speechless. Thanks for posting.

[SuzeQuze]

:shocked:

I'm speechless. Thanks for posting.

Shockec because you thought they would go up after his speech? I'm glad they went down, are people waking up to his tricks?

Did you hear Randy's "interview" with Dean this week? She went on a rant about how Bush and the feds deliberately witheld aid to punish the governor for not doing what they wanted - federalizing the Guard. He was speechless. I wish Randy would let her guests talk though. Geez. :lol:

[dissention]

Shockec because you thought they would go up after his speech? I'm glad they went down, are people waking up to his tricks?

I was convinced he'd shoot up 15 points! :laugh: Until now, nothing stuck to him. NOTHING.

Did you hear Randy's "interview" with Dean this week? She went on a rant about how Bush and the feds deliberately witheld aid to punish the governor for not doing what they wanted - federalizing the Guard. He was speechless. I wish Randy would let her guests talk though. Geez. :lol:

I heard it. :laugh: He didn't know what to say when she said part of the reason for the slow response was to make the Dems look bad (Nagin, Blanco, etc.).

[SuzeQuze]

I was convinced he'd shoot up 15 points! :laugh: Until now, nothing stuck to him. NOTHING..

Hallelujah!

I heard it. :laugh: He didn't know what to say when she said part of the reason for the slow response was to make the Dems look bad (Nagin, Blanco, etc.).

I know, he just said "Wow. I'm not quite the conspiracy theorist you are but..." Then Randy, "Oh COME ON!" :lol: She's really losing it. Dubya has put her over the edge.

[gldstwmn]

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_16.html#080431

Higher-than-expected death toll seen in clustered New Orleans corpses

By Michael Perlstein
Staff writer

Tentative optimism that New Orleans’ death toll from Katrina might be far lower than first projected has given way to somber reality over the past 36 hours as search and rescue squad turn up bodies by the dozen in the hardest hit areas of the city.

By mid-afternoon Friday, the black triangles used to designate human remains were multiplying on an emergency command center map. Federal Emergency Management Agency rescue squad liaison Charles Hood said a spike in discoveries Friday has started to take an emotional toll on rescue workers.

“Our squad members are getting access to trauma and grief counselors,” Hood said. “It’s becoming a very difficult task.”

The state is in charge of releasing Katrina’s official death total, which stood at 579 Friday evening. Hood said the periodic reports from his seven 80-person squads indicate the casualty count is going to jump in the coming days, but declined to speculate on what the number would climb to. One squad alone located and marked more than a dozen houses containing dead people on Friday.

“Parts of the city have become a target-rich environment for human remains,” Hood said. “We’re just now getting into the areas that experienced the most rapid inundation.”

Large chunks of the city, including parts of Gentilly, the Desire-Florida area and Upper 9th Ward, have revealed tell-tale signs that the two breaches of the London Avenue Canal led to a rapid rush of floodwater that caught scores of residents off-guard. The surprise factor was only worsened in that the fast-rising water, more than 12 feet in spots, came well after the storm had passed.

“Those are areas where the people were probably asleep when the water rushed in,” Hood said.

The Urban Search and Rescue Squads are now bracing for inspections of still-unchecked neighborhoods that experienced rapid inundation, such as the Lower 9th Ward. The inspections are referred to as “secondary searches,” in which squad members are breaking into homes to conduct room-to-room searches, Hood said. In some cases, workers have been breaking through roofs and attics before checking off houses as “all clear.”

While Thursday and Friday’s developments were mostly grim, the discovery of a 70-year-old man, alive and well after being trapped for 17 days, brought cheers from the beleaguered rescue squads. He was the first “live” discovery by the squads in two days, Hood said. The man was found in an area below the University of New Orleans campus, but other details about the rescue were unavailable late Friday.

“That is really going to help give momentum to everybody,” Hood said. “As bad as things are out there, we’re still holding out hope that we can find others like him.”

[strandinthewind]

I was convinced he'd shoot up 15 points! :laugh: Until now, nothing stuck to him. NOTHING.

Me too - I think maybe people are finally seeing the light. Now, if the D's (or preferably the Green Party) could only get some viable candidates, we'd be in luck.