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David
09-04-2005, 03:10 PM
What books on usage, rhetoric & prose do you worship & rely on as guiding lights?
Here are mine:
"Modern English Usage," H.W. Fowler, Ernest Gowers revision (1965). Later revisions (by M. Nicholson & Robert Burchfield) are unfortunate products of revisionist thinking & planning. Avoid them.
"The Oxford Dictionary of American Usage & Style," Bryan Garner (2001). Garner is this country's leading usage light. He has solved the problem of balancing tradition & contemporaneity; he recognizes that language changes, but changes for bad a lot more often than for good.
"Modern American Usage," Wilson Follett (1965). The cornerstone of good American English in the modern era. Lovingly finished & edited by Jacques Barzun, Lionel Trilling & others after Follett's premature death.
"The Complete Plain Words," Sir Ernest Gowers, revised by Sidney Greenbaum & Janet Whitcut (1986). Combines "Plain Words" (1948) & "The ABC of Plain Words" (1951), two masterpieces of prose style by a British civil servant & master annotater of Fowler.
"Simple & Direct: A Rhetoric for Writers," Jacques Barzun (1975).
"On Writing, Editing, & Publishing: Essays Explicative & Hortatory," Jacques Barzun (1986). Barzun is the nonpareil of English usage style & standards of the latter 20th century. His sensible insights & lapidary prose are abundant in all his four or five dozen books, from 1937 to the present.
"Usage & Abusage," Eric Partridge (1955). Partridge is the greatest lexicographer of slang in the west. He successfully abridged this book in 1969.
"The Reader Over Your Shoulder," Robert Graves & Alan Hodge (1961). The greatest English-language love poet of the 20th century & his colleague wrote this handbook for writers of prose, & supplied dozens of "negative examples" for examination, their plan a sort of explication de texte for sense & clarity.
amber
09-04-2005, 04:03 PM
I think you posted this awhile back, didn't you?
sodascouts
09-04-2005, 04:18 PM
Despite the fact that I am pursuing a PhD in literature (admittedly it is 17th century), I am only familiar with the first three of the books you listed. I have no "guiding light" that I study religiously, that's for sure.
I was forced to read several articles on various theories of rhetoric and didn't get much out of them. These, however, focused on utilizing the theory in the classroom which is perhaps why they were disappointing. The theories they expounded upon often have very few practical applications when it comes down to creating a lesson plan. I did enjoy Paul C. Rodger's "A Discourse-Centered Rhetoric of the Paragraph" because it put aside some of the pretension that is seemingly inherent in articles about theory in order to deal with everyday writing.
I can discuss popular prose and rhetoric styles of the seventeenth century much more intelligently. They were very anal about such things back then. lol
David
09-04-2005, 04:25 PM
I think you posted this awhile back, didn't you?I don't know! I hope not! How embarrassing. Was it the same list?
gldstwmn
09-04-2005, 07:40 PM
The Little, Brown Handbook.
irishgrl
09-04-2005, 10:26 PM
Dick and Jane
three blind mice
the Jabborwock
irishgrl
09-04-2005, 10:29 PM
Despite the fact that I am pursuing a PhD in literature (admittedly it is 17th century), I am only familiar with the first three of the books you listed. I have no "guiding light" that I study religiously, that's for sure.
I was forced to read several articles on various theories of rhetoric and didn't get much out of them. These, however, focused on utilizing the theory in the classroom which is perhaps why they were disappointing. The theories they expounded upon often have very few practical applications when it comes down to creating a lesson plan. I did enjoy Paul C. Rodger's "A Discourse-Centered Rhetoric of the Paragraph" because it put aside some of the pretension that is seemingly inherent in articles about theory in order to deal with everyday writing.
I can discuss popular prose and rhetoric styles of the seventeenth century much more intelligently. They were very anal about such things back then. lol
Nancy, I get my authors all mixed up...who is known for writing during your era? chaucer? Shakespeare? I admit ignorance.......for once.........
could you give me some idea of what was written during your era so I have an idea of your area of expertise?.....
gldstwmn
09-04-2005, 11:47 PM
Shakespeare?
16th century, Chaucer was even earlier.
I'm guessing Nancy has studied John Donne, Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton and some other people whose name I cannot remember now. :lol:
sodascouts
09-04-2005, 11:54 PM
Nancy, I get my authors all mixed up...who is known for writing during your era? chaucer? Shakespeare? I admit ignorance.......for once.........
could you give me some idea of what was written during your era so I have an idea of your area of expertise?.....
Chris is right, except she left off Milton and a few folks who I don't expect anyone not in lit to care about. lol
I am excited about some women authors who haven't been getting as much treatment. Tentatively, my dissertation is going to be about Anna Weamys and Lady Mary Wroth, and how they took the masculine genre of the epic and made it into a tool to express their own ideas about the political occurences of the time. And some other boring stuff about the gender relationships in their works, and how they presented political commentary through gender representations, blahblahblah. ;)
GateandGarden
09-05-2005, 12:13 AM
Chris is right, except she left off Milton and a few folks who I don't expect anyone not in lit to care about. lol
I am excited about some women authors who haven't been getting as much treatment. Tentatively, my dissertation is going to be about Anna Weamys and Lady Mary Wroth, and how they took the masculine genre of the epic and made it into a tool to express their own ideas about the political occurences of the time. And some other boring stuff about the gender relationships in their works, and how they presented political commentary through gender representations, blahblahblah. ;)Have you studied Sidney, too? I'm just mentioning him because I read him in a class in which I read the authors Chris mentioned. I remember being the only person in the class who liked him at all. :laugh: It's been awhile though, so I don't remember what piece it was.
sodascouts
09-05-2005, 12:36 AM
Have you studied Sidney, too? I'm just mentioning him because I read him in a class in which I read the authors Chris mentioned. I remember being the only person in the class who liked him at all. :laugh: It's been awhile though, so I don't remember what piece it was.
Sidney is not 17th century. However, his Arcadia is instrumental to my thesis because both women wrote "spin-offs" of the Arcadia, using that as the entryway into the epic genre.
GateandGarden
09-05-2005, 12:37 AM
Sidney is not 17th century. However, his Arcadia is instrumental to my thesis because both women wrote "spin-offs" of the Arcadia, using that as the entryway into the epic genre.Oh. Whoops! :o I was thinking my class was all 17th century but it was more of a survey class so it definitely wasn't just 17th.
sodascouts
09-05-2005, 12:41 AM
Oh. Whoops! :o I was thinking my class was all 17th century but it was more of a survey class so it definitely wasn't just 17th.
Well, sometimes the 17th century folks like to claim him because he was only a few years behind. These century markers are largely arbitrary anyway. Who says the world of 1601 is so massively different than the world of 1599?
eclipse
09-05-2005, 09:24 AM
Nancy-
I admire you for such dedication. I can't even remember if this is the 20th century or what century we are in right now... If it's 17th century then in really happened in the 1600 year? right ? or am I wrong.
I get so confused :shrug:
I don't think I worship any book....
although I sure do like the Complete Works of Edgar Allen Poe
but I don't think that is really about rhetoric and prose...
~~eclipse~~
sodascouts
09-05-2005, 10:23 AM
Nancy-
I admire you for such dedication. I can't even remember if this is the 20th century or what century we are in right now... If it's 17th century then in really happened in the 1600 year? right ? or am I wrong.
I get so confused :shrug:
That's right. :)
seeker007nmss
09-05-2005, 09:57 PM
Dick and Jane
three blind mice
the Jabborwock
:laugh: :lol:
And the follow up: Dick and Jane's Spot: The Cocaine Years.
Chilly Willy
09-06-2005, 12:46 PM
I recommend The Chemist's English by Robert Schoenfeld (1986). Although primarily intended as an aid for technical writing, I've found it helpful for all my writing. I keep copies at each of my four primary work locations.
In addition to being useful, it is also enjoyable! The book is presented as a collection of humorous essays, such as ""A Prowl Among Personal Pronouns," "The Search For The Missing Ablative," and "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Data."
DavidMn
09-06-2005, 12:47 PM
Despite the fact that I am pursuing a PhD in literature (admittedly it is 17th century), I am only familiar with the first three of the books you listed. I have no "guiding light" that I study religiously, that's for sure.
I was forced to read several articles on various theories of rhetoric and didn't get much out of them. These, however, focused on utilizing the theory in the classroom which is perhaps why they were disappointing. The theories they expounded upon often have very few practical applications when it comes down to creating a lesson plan. I did enjoy Paul C. Rodger's "A Discourse-Centered Rhetoric of the Paragraph" because it put aside some of the pretension that is seemingly inherent in articles about theory in order to deal with everyday writing.
I can discuss popular prose and rhetoric styles of the seventeenth century much more intelligently. They were very anal about such things back then. lolI had no idea you were studying that. That's really cool. I wish you luck. I'm sure it's not easy. :)
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