Watch this one get deleted...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I *heart* Ann Coulter...


ohhhh....


DELETE!

[strandinthewind]

Make sure you have a bathup of Purell for afterward :p :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :p :]

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Make sure you have a bathup of Purell for afterward :p :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :p :]

This is getting so funny...

You can't be conservative on The Ledge anymore... :shrug: :sorry: :shocked:

[GateandGarden]

Make sure you have a bathup of Purell for afterward :p :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :p :]:lol::lol:

I think he has to put a link to an Ann Coulter site and then it'll get deleted. :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:lol::lol:

I think he has to put a link to an Ann Coulter site and then it'll get deleted. :laugh:


oh yea....hehe

Ill do that


Oh yea...I'm not all baddy conservative as much anymore...I do support gay rights now...but still say A BIG NO to abortion and a big YES to capitalsim! :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

This is getting so funny...

You can't be conservative on The Ledge anymore... :shrug: :sorry: :shocked:


I was joking with ya - hence the emoticons :cool:

[strandinthewind]

oh yea....hehe

Ill do that


Oh yea...I'm not all baddy conservative as much anymore...I do support gay rights now...but still say A BIG NO to abortion and a big YES to capitalsim! :thumbsup:

Come innnnnnnnnnnn out of the darknesssssssss :wavey: :wavey:

I think many in the country are having a similar, if you will, awakening :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

oh yea....hehe

Ill do that


Oh yea...I'm not all baddy conservative as much anymore...I do support gay rights now...but still say A BIG NO to abortion and a big YES to capitalsim! :thumbsup:I can't tell you how happy I am to read that part I put in bold. :)

As for the capitalism thing...I guess I didn't realize there were that many people who were anti-capitalism. There's a good conversation, I guess. That's assuming that we can still present conservative viewpoints here. ;)

[dissention]

I *heart* Ann Coulter...


Meh. You've got my sympathies, Mr. Man.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I was joking with ya - hence the emoticons :cool:

oh i know you were joking...i was too! haha

[sodascouts]

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Gee, look what's linked from her front page! :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Gee, look what's linked from her front page! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I guess that won't be up here long!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Meh. You've got my sympathies, Mr. Man.

haha...I love that gal...even though I don't agree with EVERYTHING she says. I just admire her for her guts to say it!

[strandinthewind]

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Gee, look what's linked from her front page! :laugh:


Surely, you see through Ann's half truths :eek: and realize she is nothing but a media whore. I mean she praised Sen. McCarthy as a hero :eek:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Gee, look what's linked from her front page! :laugh:

ohh and she has a new article about the idiot Ted Kennedy...yummy...can't wait to read that!

[strandinthewind]

haha...I love that gal...even though I don't agree with EVERYTHING she says. I just admire her for her guts to say it!

I admire her guts - or protuberant ribcage actually :laugh: I just think she is not based on any fact and people believe her anyway. I mean when O'Reilly corrects you when you say with complete disregard for the truth that Iraq is just peachy keen and hunky dory - you have credibility problems :laugh:

[estranged4life]

a good optometrist if ya need one...j/k man, Like whoever ya want, But I have dibs on Rita Crosby (Who is wearing red tonight...Ouch!!!)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Surely, you see through Ann's half truths :eek: and realize she is nothing but a media whore. I mean she praised Sen. McCarthy as a hero :eek:


Hey, she has a lot of fans...like me! Love the girl.

[sodascouts]

Surely, you see through Ann's half truths :eek: and realize she is nothing but a media whore. I mean she praised Sen. McCarthy as a hero :eek:

Actually no, I don't agree with her. I'm just waiting to see if the thread will get deleted. If so, I think there should be a link to all disallowed conservative sites.

[strandinthewind]

Hey, she has a lot of fans...like me! Love the girl.

Yes, she does. But, that does not make what she says true or even loosely based in fact. Again, Sen. McCarthy was a hero :eek:

BTW - I even admit to liking to watch her as she is train wreck to these eyes. I often laugh out loud at her incorrect statements and spin - and I think it is hysterical when people cannot correct her properly.

[GateandGarden]

www.focusonthefamily.org (http://www.focusonthefamily.org)

www.afa.net (http://www.afa.net)

[dissention]

Actually no, I don't agree with her. I'm just waiting to see if the thread will get deleted. If so, I think there should be a link to all disallowed conservative sites.

http://www.focusonthefamily.org

http://www.afa.net

:rolleyes:

I fail to see any point in baiting and being childish like that when you supposedly want an explanation as to why the threads and links were deleted in the first place.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

www.amygrant.com

a republican and Bush supporter

www.emmacaulfield.net

she has called herself an "ultra conservative"....

geesh...where else.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:rolleyes:

I fail to see any point in baiting and being childish like that when you supposedly want an explanation as to why the threads and links were deleted in the first place.

I know man we are wrong...but come on "big player by the rule man"....it's still kinda funny!

I've started drinking now...if you can't tell


"Ice Cold Corona..."

[GateandGarden]

:rolleyes:

I fail to see any point in baiting and being childish like that when you supposedly want an explanation as to why the threads and links were deleted in the first place.I guess we got one and I wasn't all that satisfied with it. :shrug: I may wind up being wrong. If so, I'm not above admitting that I'm wrong. :shrug: Time will tell. Right now things don't look good.

[strandinthewind]

www.aclu.org

www.moveon.org

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Ahhhhhhhh - I feel cleaner now :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

:rolleyes:

I fail to see any point in baiting and being childish like that when you supposedly want an explanation as to why the threads and links were deleted.

I don't think wanting an explaination is baiting. We're all waiting and have been for quite some time since the initial link was deleted and we were told that all subsequent posts on that topic would be locked as well. I think we're all a little upset that we seemingly cannot discuss what we'd like to.

[GateandGarden]

I know man we are wrong...but come on "big player by the rule man"....it's still kinda funny!See, there is so much irony in calling dissention "big player by the rule man". :laugh::lol:

[strandinthewind]

I know man we are wrong...but come on "big player by the rule man"....it's still kinda funny!

I've started drinking now...if you can't tell


"Ice Cold Corona..."

Is Anne prettier yet
:lol: :lol: :lol: :p - or do you need a case :wavey:

[GateandGarden]

www.aclu.org

www.moveon.org

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Ahhhhhhhh - I feel cleaner now :laugh::laugh::lol::laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

www.aclu.org

www.moveon.org

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Ahhhhhhhh - I feel cleaner now :laugh:

GOD NO!!!

www.ewtn.com

www.phatmass.com

had to get my religion on

[sodascouts]

www.aclu.org

www.moveon.org

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Ahhhhhhhh - I feel cleaner now :laugh:

Those links are fine. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

I guess we got one and I wasn't all that satisfied with it.

You are correct.

[macfanken]

Is Anne prettier yet
:lol: :lol: :lol: :p - or do you need a case :wavey:


There's not enough beer in this world to make that woman attractive in any way!! :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Those links are fine. :thumbsup:


are you turning from the dark side as well :eek:

Lord Child - I may need to make a drinkee poo as well :laugh:

[estranged4life]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/


was KrispyKreme.com :lol:

[GateandGarden]

You are correct.Maybe...except now it appears (to me, at least) that you and Suze are contradicting one another.

[strandinthewind]

There's not enough beer in this world to make that woman attractive in any way!! :lol:

YOU on the other hand :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[sodascouts]

are you turning from the dark side as well :eek:

Lord Child - I may need to make a drinkee poo as well :laugh:

I am using the new Ledgie moderator description of "fine" - liberal. lol

BTW I seem to remember a recent post which linked to an extremely liberal blog... strange that nothing was done there.

[strandinthewind]

was KrispyKreme.com :lol:

LOL - I am sure the two have met before :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Those links are fine. :thumbsup:

Please don't tell me your a total liberal now!?! what???

[dissention]

I don't think wanting an explaination is baiting. We're all waiting and have been for quite some time since the initial link was deleted and we were told that all subsequent posts on that topic would be locked as well. I think we're all a little upset that we seemingly cannot discuss what we'd like to.

I understand and I agree. I don't think any of those threads or links should have been locked or deleted, either. If people can post stuff from liberal sites and can post liberal opinion pieces, then people also have every right to post something with an equally conservative bent. Not allowing it kind of stifles good conversation and good discussions.

Having said that, I just think that some of the sarcastic remarks were a bit much. It just seemed like some folks were intentionally trying to get her goat whilst condemning what they thought was bad behavior on her part.

[estranged4life]

LOL - I am sure the two have met before :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

the Young & the Restless has been shown daily :lol: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I understand and I agree. I don't think any of those threads or links should have been locked or deleted, either. If people can post stuff from liberal sites and can post liberal opinion pieces, then people also have every right to post something with an equally conservative bent. Not allowing it kind of stifles good conversation and good discussions.

Having said that, I just think that some of the sarcastic remarks were a bit much. It just seemed like some folks were intentionally trying to get her goat whilst condemning what they thought was bad behavior on her part.

Plus, she is new at this - I say we cut her a break and let it die.

[lbelle1214]

Paranoia sets in....are ya'll talking about me???? :shocked:

[sodascouts]

Plus, she is new at this - I say we cut her a break and let it die.

As long as it doesn't keep happening, I'm willing to chalk it up to a newbie mistake and move on.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I understand and I agree. I don't think any of those threads or links should have been locked or deleted, either. If people can post stuff from liberal sites and can post liberal opinion pieces, then people also have every right to post something with an equally conservative bent. Not allowing it kind of stifles good conversation and good discussions.

Having said that, I just think that some of the sarcastic remarks were a bit much. It just seemed like some folks were intentionally trying to get her goat whilst condemning what they thought was bad behavior on her part.


:nod: :nod: :nod:


:wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

Plus, she is new at this - I say we cut her a break and let it die.

Thanks Jason. We are new at this, maybe deleting the thread was a bit extreme. However, the concern is with baiting and not so much the content of that site. Clearly everyone's gotten their opinions out and we know where everyone stands. Can we let this go?

[strandinthewind]

....are ya'll talking about me???? :shocked:


only behind your back :p :p :p :wavey: :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well guys...this is going to be freaking hard (cause I'm all addicted to the ledge and love you all...)

But I have decided that because I no longer have the basic freedom to post a link to a conservative website...that this isn't the place for me, at least for now!

I will be back...hopefully soon...or when things change and we are able to freely discuss...

But until then, I'm off...

LOVE YOU ALL!

Dissention...be good, rock on with the Nicole Kidman loving, and I don't care what you say Priscilla Presley still rocks my world!

GateandGarden...now that I told you I'm all "go gay rights...it's your birthday" I'm going to be leaving....*sniff sniff*! Take care...still a conservative though...haha ;)

and to EVERYONE ELSE...LOVE YOU ALL

hopefully be back soon...

[Dreammms]

i dont think you should leave that is silly.

hopefully we will get a good explanation to what is going on.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

i dont think you should leave that is silly.

hopefully we will get a good explanation to what is going on.

I DONT WANT TO LEAVE...

I feel like I'm in a "make a statement" mood...

I have to do or say something to show how I feel...

besides...I don't think I'll be missed that much at all

[sodascouts]

Well guys...this is going to be freaking hard (cause I'm all addicted to the ledge and love you all...)

But I have decided that because I no longer have the basic freedom to post a link to a conservative website...that this isn't the place for me, at least for now!

I will be back...hopefully soon...or when things change and we are able to freely discuss...

But until then, I'm off...

LOVE YOU ALL!

Dissention...be good, rock on with the Nicole Kidman loving, and I don't care what you say Priscilla Presley still rocks my world!

GateandGarden...now that I told you I'm all "go gay rights...it's your birthday" I'm going to be leaving....*sniff sniff*! Take care...still a conservative though...haha ;)

and to EVERYONE ELSE...LOVE YOU ALL

hopefully be back soon...

Don't leave yet - give her another chance. If it happens again, then you might consider it. lol

[strandinthewind]

I DONT WANT TO LEAVE...

I feel like I'm in a "make a statement" mood...

I have to do or say something to show how I feel...

besides...I don't think I'll be missed that much at all

I think you are being a bit of a martyr here - but you have to play it the way that you feel it :cool:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I DONT WANT TO LEAVE...

I feel like I'm in a "make a statement" mood...

I have to do or say something to show how I feel...

besides...I don't think I'll be missed that much at all



...and you just came back..... :shrug:


Don't leave me....Don't leave me....NOWWWWWWWW

[mylittledemon]

I DONT WANT TO LEAVE...

I feel like I'm in a "make a statement" mood...

I have to do or say something to show how I feel...

besides...I don't think I'll be missed that much at all


Well I dont see you making any statement here. It comes across as one of those brash things teenagers do to make a point...but in the end it doesnt really change things. Stick around. The more Ledgies, the better. Don't get so easily offended and enjoy the ride.

[Dreammms]

I DONT WANT TO LEAVE...

I feel like I'm in a "make a statement" mood...

I have to do or say something to show how I feel...

besides...I don't think I'll be missed that much at all

i can see your point but i still wouldn't leave.
obviously there are people here that do like you and your opinions.

[sodascouts]

i dont think you should leave that is silly.

hopefully we will get a good explanation to what is going on.

gldstwmn has already stated in another thread that we will get no more explanation from her.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

gldstwmn has already stated in another thread that we will get no more explanation from her.

Thank you...

That's why I'm all like "I'm leaving now"...

[strandinthewind]

Thank you...

That's why I'm all like "I'm leaving now"...

can't ya just let it go :shug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well I dont see you making any statement here. It comes across as one of those brash things teenagers do to make a point...but in the end it doesnt really change things. Stick around. The more Ledgies, the better. Don't get so easily offended and enjoy the ride.

Hey I'm rockin' the 20 here... :p

[Dreammms]

gldstwmn has already stated in another thread that we will get no more explanation from her.

ohhhh. i read that. that was kinda a vague explanation. then suze had a totally different explanation which confused me. but i am usually confused so.. ;)

[GypsySorcerer]

I don't understand why the threads were deleted. We weren't even given an opportunity to discuss the editorial in a civilized manner. Personally, I think we are treading on a slippery slope if the moderators are deeming which sources are credible and which aren't. :shrug:

[mylittledemon]

Hey I'm rockin' the 20 here... :p

Didnt say you were a teenager, I said it came across like one of those things young teenagers do. And you're still a kid. 20 yr olds dont know diddly. But that aside, stay young while you can.

[sara1998]

Didnt say you were a teenager, I said it came across like one of those things young teenagers do. And you're still a kid. 20 yr olds dont know diddly. But that aside, stay young while you can.

And you're what??.... 25, 26?

LMAO.

[Lisa1769]

Plus, she is new at this

Maybe new to moderating, but not new to the board.

Chris has been on the Ledge for years. She's an intelligent woman. She feels strongly on certain issues just as others feel stongly in their beliefs. If you frequent the ledge it doesn't take long to know how to rub certain members the wrong way.

That being said, I would hope when someone takes on the responsibility of being a moderator, they would be fair to both sides. I also feel that the explanation given as to why threads being deleted was snarky and baiting. :)

[mylittledemon]

And you're what??.... 25, 26?

LMAO.

Yeah, 26. I'm light years away from the person I was when I was 20. I am amazed at the lifetime of stuff Ive experience since then. I was a pretty naive 20 yr old.

[lbelle1214]

Don't go...I don't really know you, but you sound hurt. And I don't believe that anyone here would intentionally hurt anybody (unless you last name would happen to be Bush....Just joking....poor taste....just joking, though!)
Going will not do anything but make you miserable...you'll miss it! ;)

[lbelle1214]

only behind your back :p :p :p :wavey: :wavey:

Now you made me cry..... :shocked: holding back tears....

[sara1998]

Yeah, 26. I'm light years away from the person I was when I was 20. I am amazed at the lifetime of stuff Ive experience since then. I was a pretty naive 20 yr old.
AWWWW don't get mad at me! :D

I'm only 27........

I feel 47, though.

[GypsySorcerer]

I've just seen threads far more offensive than Brandon's not deleted. Remember Rose.Gypsy's thread? It was "intentional baiting" against liberals, and it stayed. Hell, even HighPriestess's trash stayed. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

Now you made me cry..... :shocked: holding back tears....Are you serious? I assure you that he was joking and no one means to hurt your feelings.

[strandinthewind]

Now you made me cry..... :shocked: holding back tears....


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

your joking right?

[GateandGarden]

I don't understand why the threads were deleted. We weren't even given an opportunity to discuss the editorial in a civilized manner. Personally, I think we are treading on a slippery slope if the moderators are deeming which sources are credible and which aren't. :shrug:I agree with all of this completely. I never got a straight answer as to why they were deleted; I got conflicting information.

But, as Nancy said, I think we should let it go unless it starts happening more. It may be one of those things. Besides, I do respect Suze and Chris and pretty much have as long as I've been on this board and known them. I'm directing this little paragraph at you, Brandon, because I don't want you to go. I understand how you feel but I really think you should wait it out.

[GateandGarden]

Don't go...I don't really know you, but you sound hurt. And I don't believe that anyone here would intentionally hurt anybody (unless you last name would happen to be Bush....Just joking....poor taste....just joking, though!)
Going will not do anything but make you miserable...you'll miss it! ;)I agree. We really don't want to hurt other poster's feelings around here. That's not what we're about.

If Bush did come to post that would be another story; you're right about that. ;)

[SuzeQuze]

AWWWW don't get mad at me! :D

I'm only 27........

I feel 47, though.

You've been through alot. :xoxo:. At 34 I feel younger than I did at 27 because I went through a lot of crap back then. The thirties are really cool. Except that 40 is looming large.

[The Tower]

Can we let this go?
Not really.

Thanks Jason. We are new at this, maybe deleting the thread was a bit extreme. However, the concern is with baiting and not so much the content of that site. Clearly everyone's gotten their opinions out and we know where everyone stands.
The Indigo Girls Official Site BBS was once a thriving, living, breathing thing with all different kinds of people and all different kinds of discussions. Things around there were almost self-moderated. A new moderator took over and started deleting threads. Pretty soon it led to people being banned, for various reasons. Soon there were direct complaints to the artists' management about how much fan support the band was losing because of the board moderation. Over there, there was a lot of grass roots "street team" support of the IG's concerts, releases and appearances- large groups of fans would literally follow them along for long stretches of their tours.

Because of the moderation of that board, the majority of the core supporters left. The artists intervened and altered things a bit, but it was too late. The board was poisoned and it died. There's only little bits and scraps there now- a burnt-out shell of its former self.

Deleting threads and posts that border on censorship (in my opinion) are not a good harbinger for the life of any forum. We are all grown up enough around here (even the Ledgies under 18 are wise enough as far as I'm concerned) to handle "baiting" or "flaming" or whatever you want to call it. There have been many instances in the past where I have seen certain people go too far and, for the most part, those affected have weathered through it. I'd rather have the forum be too challenging then not challenging at all.

[Mad4stevie]

gldstwmn has already stated in another thread that we will get no more explanation from her.

Um . . . what did I miss here?

The "Reader's Digest" version, please . . .

[michelle2677]

o.k..will someone please explain to me what is going on?? dumb newbie here..need filling in..

btw...brwn-eyes0511-please don't go-who else am I going to discuss buffy and angel with?!!

[lbelle1214]

Are you serious? I assure you that he was joking and no one means to hurt your feelings.

No, I'm not serious (but I am sensitive!) I was just joking, too

[lbelle1214]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

your joking right?

Of course..... :xoxo:

[gldstwmn]

Maybe new to moderating, but not new to the board.

Chris has been on the Ledge for years. She's an intelligent woman. She feels strongly on certain issues just as others feel stongly in their beliefs. If you frequent the ledge it doesn't take long to know how to rub certain members the wrong way.

That being said, I would hope when someone takes on the responsibility of being a moderator, they would be fair to both sides. I also feel that the explanation given as to why threads being deleted was snarky and baiting. :)

You raise a good point Lisa. The reason that I cannot do that is because as mods, there are some things that we are bound to discuss in private. I've said as much as I can say and would appreciate everyone letting this go. It is nothing personal against any one of you.

[gldstwmn]

Not really.


The Indigo Girls Official Site BBS was once a thriving, living, breathing thing with all different kinds of people and all different kinds of discussions. Things around there were almost self-moderated. A new moderator took over and started deleting threads. Pretty soon it led to people being banned, for various reasons. Soon there were direct complaints to the artists' management about how much fan support the band was losing because of the board moderation. Over there, there was a lot of grass roots "street team" support of the IG's concerts, releases and appearances- large groups of fans would literally follow them along for long stretches of their tours.

Because of the moderation of that board, the majority of the core supporters left. The artists intervened and altered things a bit, but it was too late. The board was poisoned and it died. There's only little bits and scraps there now- a burnt-out shell of its former self.

Deleting threads and posts that border on censorship (in my opinion) are not a good harbinger for the life of any forum. We are all grown up enough around here (even the Ledgies under 18 are wise enough as far as I'm concerned) to handle "baiting" or "flaming" or whatever you want to call it. There have been many instances in the past where I have seen certain people go too far and, for the most part, those affected have weathered through it. I'd rather have the forum be too challenging then not challenging at all.

Thanks Tower. I value and respect your opinion. I can assure that I will most certainly take it into consideration in the future.

[Lisa1769]

You raise a good point Lisa. The reason that I cannot do that is because as mods, there are some things that we are bound to discuss in private. I've said as much as I can say and would appreciate everyone letting this go. It is nothing personal against any one of you.

That's better.. :thumbsup: Sometimes we just need a little more to go on.
I'm done now.

[gldstwmn]

BTW I seem to remember a recent post which linked to an extremely liberal blog... strange that nothing was done there.

Blogs are fine. If you scroll down the full page of that particular link, you will see that it is in fact a message board, which is prohibited by The Ledge.

[sodascouts]

Blogs are fine. If you scroll down the full page of that particular link, you will see that it is in fact a message board, which is prohibited by The Ledge.

OK, this explanation makes sense. Thank you. I am glad it was not about whether it was "reliable" or not. I appreciate you taking the time to clarify your decision making process.

[gldstwmn]

I've just seen threads far more offensive than Brandon's not deleted. Remember Rose.Gypsy's thread? It was "intentional baiting" against liberals, and it stayed. Hell, even HighPriestess's trash stayed. :shrug:

I'm sorry Krista. I wasn't moderating then, so I can't respond to that.

[Dreammms]

Blogs are fine. If you scroll down the full page of that particular link, you will see that it is in fact a message board, which is prohibited by The Ledge.

Thanks for the explanation Chris :wavey:

[GypsySorcerer]

Blogs are fine. If you scroll down the full page of that particular link, you will see that it is in fact a message board, which is prohibited by The Ledge.
Thanks for clarifying. :wavey:

[GypsySorcerer]

I'm sorry Krista. I wasn't moderating then, so I can't respond to that.
It's okay, Chris. I guess I should refer to the FAQ to see what is exactly considered delete-worthy.

[David]

o.k..will someone please explain to me what is going on??Drama-Rama Ding-Ding

[Johnny Stew]

When moderating a message board, it takes some time to learn how to achieve a balance between allowing people room to "breathe" and express themselves, and letting things get out of control.

As this is a private message board, not a public one, the moderators have always been asked by Marty to help keep that balance.
We're only human, so sometimes we misstep... but I think we're typically pretty good about handling things in a balanced way.

Rules are in place to prevent complete anarchy.
In recent times, some behaviour has gotten a bit too far from the FAQs that have been in place for five years now, and we'd like to now restore some "order."

Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, we're not talking about censorship... we're simply talking about more dilligently enforcing those rules as outlined in the FAQs, which everyone agreed to abide by, when they signed up to use the Ledge.

[GateandGarden]

Blogs are fine. If you scroll down the full page of that particular link, you will see that it is in fact a message board, which is prohibited by The Ledge.Okay, thanks for the explanation. I'm sorry if it ever appeared that I was attacking you or Suze. It isn't anything personal against y'all at all. I'm sorry that I misinterpreted.

[gldstwmn]

Okay, thanks for the explanation. I'm sorry if it ever appeared that I was attacking you or Suze. It isn't anything personal against y'all at all. I'm sorry that I misinterpreted.


I never felt as though you were attacking me, Hillary. And believe me when I say, your opinion is welcome.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oops...how stupid do I look now.

I guess I totally missed the part about the link being done away with because it was another message board and not because of it's extremely right-wing views...

Sorry, guess I kinda missed that...

well is it too late to say I take back that entire...I'm leaving thread now...because now that I know I can be who I am here...I don't see no reason to leave. Which makes me look stupid now :( :( :( :sorry: :sorry: :sorry:

Sorry guys...

So let's pretend that other "I'm leaving" thread never exsisted (hey if you EVER wanted to get rid of a thread...now is really your chance...DELETE THAT ONE!)

[GateandGarden]

Don't feel bad. As I said before, I understood the way you felt. I would've felt the same way. There was a lot of uncertainty, and not really the fun kind. I'm glad you've changed your mind with the new devlopments/explanations.

[gldstwmn]

Oops...how stupid do I look now.

I guess I totally missed the part about the link being done away with because it was another message board and not because of it's extremely right-wing views...

Sorry, guess I kinda missed that...

well is it too late to say I take back that entire...I'm leaving thread now...because now that I know I can be who I am here...I don't see no reason to leave. Which makes me look stupid now :( :( :( :sorry: :sorry: :sorry:

Sorry guys...

So let's pretend that other "I'm leaving" thread never exsisted (hey if you EVER wanted to get rid of a thread...now is really your chance...DELETE THAT ONE!)

You can actually do that yourself, if you wish.

[SapphireSister]

I have no clue as to what happened so I'll just say I'm glad you aren't going anywhere :).

[catinthedark]

I've never been so frickin confused in my life.

I logged on a few minutes ago, am reading all these threads about deleting and not deleting and I have no clue what the hell went on. Anyone want to publish a Coles Notes version? I feel like I left a few hours ago and came back and this whole place has been turned upside down.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Don't feel bad. As I said before, I understood the way you felt. I would've felt the same way. There was a lot of uncertainty, and not really the fun kind. I'm glad you've changed your mind with the new devlopments/explanations.

Thanks for understanding...I was just confused.

I just REALLY REALLY hope that the reason my thread was deleted was because the link contained was to a message board...and not because it was right wing.

But...I'm trustinig...so it's all good!

[WelshWitchPMD]

Please add me to the list of "WTF is going on?" :shrug:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Well guys...this is going to be freaking hard (cause I'm all addicted to the ledge and love you all...)

But I have decided that because I no longer have the basic freedom to post a link to a conservative website...that this isn't the place for me, at least for now!

I will be back...hopefully soon...or when things change and we are able to freely discuss...

But until then, I'm off...

LOVE YOU ALL!

Dissention...be good, rock on with the Nicole Kidman loving, and I don't care what you say Priscilla Presley still rocks my world!

GateandGarden...now that I told you I'm all "go gay rights...it's your birthday" I'm going to be leaving....*sniff sniff*! Take care...still a conservative though...haha ;)

and to EVERYONE ELSE...LOVE YOU ALL

hopefully be back soon...

Obviously I missed some drama. What happened??

Pip

[GODDESS6]

no doubt, what did i miss & why are you leaving? :shrug: ~

[amber]

Check the "watch this one get deleted" thread.

[sodascouts]

Blogs are fine. If you scroll down the full page of that particular link, you will see that it is in fact a message board, which is prohibited by The Ledge.

Turns out this was all a big misunderstanding! The link is not a message board, it is an article to which people have replied, not unlike a blog.

I'm glad this could be cleared up. :)

Now let's compare the link ( http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cindy-sez-katrina-bushs-fault/ ) to what Sheehan said ( http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/2438 ) and see if there are any discrepancies. Hmm, perhaps this is best discussed in a new thread dedicated to it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Turns out this was all a big misunderstanding! The link is not a message board, it is an article to which people have replied, not unlike a blog.

I'm glad this could be cleared up. :)

Now let's compare the link ( http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cindy-sez-katrina-bushs-fault/ ) to what Sheehan said ( http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/2438 ) and see if there are any discrepancies. Hmm, perhaps this is best discussed in a new thread dedicated to it.

Yea, thanks! I thought it was a message board too...but something like a blog.

All it is really is commentary on the article...

let's compare...should we start another thread?

[Janet]

That would make about 3 or 4 threads saying the same thing. How many threads are there about GDW closing that thread.

It's over and I am sorry it happened. Let's not talk about it anymore.

We can discuss this of course, but just not do it in a fashion where anyone is trying to piss anyone off, no name calling and no links for now, ok? There are really important things going on in the world right now, is this THAT important?!!!

[sodascouts]

That would make about 3 or 4 threads saying the same thing. How many threads are there about GDW closing that thread.

It's over and I am sorry it happened. Let's not talk about it anymore.

We can discuss this of course, but just not do it in a fashion where anyone is trying to piss anyone off, no name calling and no links for now, ok? There are really important things going on in the world right now, is this THAT important?!!!

So we can discuss it without the link? And I'm assuming you're referring to the conservative link and not the one where Sheehan expresses her liberal views?

[DavidMn]

I *heart* Ann Coulter...


ohhhh....


DELETE!
You know what, I dont care for her at all, but I applaud you for speaking your mind. :)

[DavidMn]

Oops...how stupid do I look now.

I guess I totally missed the part about the link being done away with because it was another message board and not because of it's extremely right-wing views...

Sorry, guess I kinda missed that...

well is it too late to say I take back that entire...I'm leaving thread now...because now that I know I can be who I am here...I don't see no reason to leave. Which makes me look stupid now :( :( :( :sorry: :sorry: :sorry:

Sorry guys...

So let's pretend that other "I'm leaving" thread never exsisted (hey if you EVER wanted to get rid of a thread...now is really your chance...DELETE THAT ONE!)
I've felt stupid myself. It's all good. :)

[SteveMacD]

I *heart* Ann Coulter...
Me too. She's much easier on the colon than harsh chemical laxatives.

Please. If her head were any further up her ass, her body would be a hat.

[SteveMacD]

Oh, boo hoo. Conservatives have the White House, the House of Reps, the Senate, the Pentagon, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governorships. Now you're getting pissy because you don't have the Ledge? Give me a break. Geez, you conservatives are always saying things like "noodle-spined liberals," and yet you become a drama queen just because a POST ON AN INTERNET BOARD DEDICATED TO A ROCK BAND got deleted. Yeah, in the big picture, it really sucks being conservative, doesn't it.

[GateandGarden]

Oh, boo hoo. Conservatives have the White House, the House of Reps, the Senate, the Pentagon, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governorships. Now you're getting pissy because you don't have the Ledge? Give me a break. Geez, you conservatives are always saying things like "noodle-spined liberals," and yet you become a drama queen just because a POST ON AN INTERNET BOARD DEDICATED TO A ROCK BAND got deleted. Yeah, in the big picture, it really sucks being conservative, doesn't it.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I mean really, Steve. Should I dignify that with commentary?

EDIT: Okay, Steve...I don't mean to sound like an a*shole. I just think it's very unfair to bring those comments into this when it's the principle of the thing. Would you feel differently if it had been liberal material that was disallowed?

[amber]

Me too. She's much easier on the colon than harsh chemical laxatives.

Please. If her head were any further up her ass, her body would be a hat.
:lol: :laugh: :lol:
I had to think about the diagram of that, though...

[Sapphire Girl]

www.aclu.org

www.moveon.org

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Aaaiieeeeeee!!!! Vermin! ^ Pestilence!

(Grabs can of Raid, sprays vigorously, and watches as aclu.org, moveon.org and michaelmoore.com roll onto their backs and curl their six legs toward their bodies.)

Man! That was a close one!

[SteveMacD]

This board does not constitute a place of free speech. It is a privately owned board, and the discussions can be moderated at the discretion of the moderators, who are appointed as such by the owners of this board. A majority of Ledgies who participate in political discussions are usually liberal, and many are of a minority group, specifically gay/lesbian. If a posting would personally offend the majority of Ledgies, then it is at the discretion of the moderators to remove such a post. And, it's not like there aren't outlets for conservative thought on the internet. This place, though, probably won't be one of them. Now we could talk about fairness until we were blue in the face. The fact is that there are obviously more conservative minded people in the USA, as all of political, economic, and military power centers are actually controlled by conservatives. Furthermore, posting on the Ledge is a privilege, not a right.

Would I be offended if liberal material was disallowed? Let's just say I would trade places in a heartbeat. I'll be more than happy to give up liberal material being posted on the Ledge if it meant that liberals would control the White House, the House of Reps, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Pentagon, and a majority of governorships. And, if I felt the need to have a discussion amongst other liberals, I'd save those discussions for another board.

[gldstwmn]

This board does not constitute a place of free speech. It is a privately owned board, and the discussions can be moderated at the discretion of the moderators, who are appointed as such by the owners of this board. A majority of Ledgies who participate in political discussions are usually liberal, and many are of a minority group, specifically gay/lesbian. If a posting would personally offend the majority of Ledgies, then it is at the discretion of the moderators to remove such a post. And, it's not like there aren't outlets for conservative thought on the internet. This place, though, probably won't be one of them. Now we could talk about fairness until we were blue in the face. The fact is that there are obviously more conservative minded people in the USA, as all of political, economic, and military power centers are actually controlled by conservatives. Furthermore, posting on the Ledge is a privilege, not a right.

Would I be offended if liberal material was disallowed? Let's just say I would trade places in a heartbeat. I'll be more than happy to give up liberal material being posted on the Ledge if it meant that liberals would control the White House, the House of Reps, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Pentagon, and a majority of governorships. And, if I felt the need to have a discussion amongst other liberals, I'd save those discussions for another board.


Thank you Steve.
Er by the way, we're sponsoring a new game show here on The Ledge called You Could Be A Moderator. Want to play? :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Thank you Steve.
Er by the way, we're sponsoring a new game show here on The Ledge called You Could Be A Moderator. Want to play? :laugh:
Honestly, I think I'm WAY too opinionated to be a moderator. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

This board does not constitute a place of free speech. It is a privately owned board, and the discussions can be moderated at the discretion of the moderators, who are appointed as such by the owners of this board. A majority of Ledgies who participate in political discussions are usually liberal, and many are of a minority group, specifically gay/lesbian. If a posting would personally offend the majority of Ledgies, then it is at the discretion of the moderators to remove such a post. And, it's not like there aren't outlets for conservative thought on the internet. This place, though, probably won't be one of them. Now we could talk about fairness until we were blue in the face. The fact is that there are obviously more conservative minded people in the USA, as all of political, economic, and military power centers are actually controlled by conservatives. Furthermore, posting on the Ledge is a privilege, not a right. If this place cannot be an outlet for mere conservative thought (not offensive dialogue) at all, then that's sad. It doesn't matter that most of us are liberals. Conservative thought should not be outlawed. I know that many of us are part of the GLBT community. But I'm not so liberal that I just want all the conservatives to be quiet and not say what they think if they think they have valid points and are not defaming minorities. All of those points should be blatantly obvious and I thought I'd never actually have to say them but it appears that some people here do want people who are conservative to simply not present ideas, etc.

Sure, posting on The Ledge is not a right, but I guess I thought the majority had some minute say in things, considering many of us are Supporting Ledgies. I disagree with pretty much every recent development and I don't really intend to hold that opinion back. I've seen a few pretty good arguments for anarchy, IMO. The board is privately owned, but if the posters leave because they're fed up, then what good is the board?

[DavidMn]

Honestly, I think I'm WAY too opinionated to be a moderator. :laugh:
I like what you have to say, even if at times I dont agree. :thumbsup:

[Sapphire Girl]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/
was KrispyKreme.com :lol:
LOL - I am sure the two have met before :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Liberal film-maker Michael Moore and his companion, Ms. Glazed Donut, announced the arrival of their children today, a baker's dozen of raspberry jelly-filled donuts. However, upon their arrival Mr. Moore devoured them all as the doctor and nurses watched in horror.

Commented Ms. Donut: "I think he was afraid of them usurping his power."

[SteveMacD]

If this place cannot be an outlet for mere conservative thought (not offensive dialogue) at all, then that's sad. It doesn't matter that most of us are liberals. Conservative thought should not be outlawed.
I would totally agree, if it weren't for fact that so much of what is posted as "conservative thought" is just a rehasing of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter that is only done to get a reaction out of liberals. Quoting the likes of Ann Coulter,for most on this board, is offensive by its very nature. Now, if there was logical, rational discussion without name calling, then yeah, I wouldn't have a problem. Some may point out that the liberals on this board do that to conservative leaders. However, I'd argue that parts of this board have become a place for liberals to vent their frustrations with the power centers of the USA. Honestly, in that sense, what do conservatives have to be frustrated about?

[GateandGarden]

I would totally agree, if it weren't for fact that so much of what is posted as "conservative thought" is just a rehasing of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter that is only done to get a reaction out of liberals. Quoting the likes of Ann Coulter,for most on this board, is offensive by its very nature. Now, if there was logical, rational discussion without name calling, then yeah, I wouldn't have a problem. Some may point out that the liberals on this board do that to conservative leaders. However, I'd argue that parts of this board have become a place for liberals to vent their frustrations with the power centers of the USA. Honestly, in that sense, what do conservatives have to be frustrated about?I don't think the conservatives have anything to be complaining about, really. So, no, I don't see how the board is useful for them at all in that sense and I agree with you there. And I agree that it's ridiculous to quote the likes of the Limbaughs and Coulters but I'm not against someone doing so. I don't believe everything they say is against board guidelines. Besides, we've got conservatives who are more enlightened and wouldn't venture to quote those people.

[dissention]

Besides, we've got conservatives who are more enlightened

Oxymoron alert. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Oxymoron alert. :laugh:I can name two who are more enlightened than the idiotic conservatives I know in my "real life": Nancy and jwd (John?)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

This board does not constitute a place of free speech. It is a privately owned board, and the discussions can be moderated at the discretion of the moderators, who are appointed as such by the owners of this board. A majority of Ledgies who participate in political discussions are usually liberal, and many are of a minority group, specifically gay/lesbian. If a posting would personally offend the majority of Ledgies, then it is at the discretion of the moderators to remove such a post. And, it's not like there aren't outlets for conservative thought on the internet. This place, though, probably won't be one of them. Now we could talk about fairness until we were blue in the face. The fact is that there are obviously more conservative minded people in the USA, as all of political, economic, and military power centers are actually controlled by conservatives. Furthermore, posting on the Ledge is a privilege, not a right.

Would I be offended if liberal material was disallowed? Let's just say I would trade places in a heartbeat. I'll be more than happy to give up liberal material being posted on the Ledge if it meant that liberals would control the White House, the House of Reps, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Pentagon, and a majority of governorships. And, if I felt the need to have a discussion amongst other liberals, I'd save those discussions for another board.

Hey,

Bitter much??? Then next election, campaign harder for the liberal candidate.

blah blah blah...is what I heard. I have the RIGHT to demand an explination about why my post was deleted. If I did not find that it was within reason, then I have a RIGHT to complain and/or leave. How is it that this effects you anyways?

[gldstwmn]

I have the RIGHT to demand an explination about why my post was deleted.

Actually, you don't.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I would totally agree, if it weren't for fact that so much of what is posted as "conservative thought" is just a rehasing of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter that is only done to get a reaction out of liberals. Quoting the likes of Ann Coulter,for most on this board, is offensive by its very nature. Now, if there was logical, rational discussion without name calling, then yeah, I wouldn't have a problem. Some may point out that the liberals on this board do that to conservative leaders. However, I'd argue that parts of this board have become a place for liberals to vent their frustrations with the power centers of the USA. Honestly, in that sense, what do conservatives have to be frustrated about?

I Okay I really don't understand this. How are you to decide what is offensive, unless it rather clearly is. Should we not be allowed to discuss it normally and have a good-clean political debate? Suppose I would like quote Ann Coulter, or any other conservative writer...why should I not be allowed to do this?

So...1st amendment for liberals...but not for conservatives?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Actually, you don't.

And why is this?

I have a RIGHT to demand...I didn't say you had a RIGHT to answer.

[michelle2677]

actually...he does...I mean-he may not GET an explanation..but still within his right to want to know why it got deleted...

just my two cents... :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

I Okay I really don't understand this. How are you to decide what is offensive, unless it rather clearly is. Should we not be allowed to discuss it normally and have a good-clean political debate? Suppose I would like quote Ann Coulter, or any other conservative writer...why should I not be allowed to do this?I think you should.

So...1st amendment for liberals...but not for conservatives?Well, it seems that he stated earlier that the board is not a place of free speech, and that is supposed to apply to all of us.

[GateandGarden]

actually...he does...I mean-he may not GET an explanation..but still within his right to want to know why it got deleted...

just my two cents... :shrug:I agree with you.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You know what, I dont care for her at all, but I applaud you for speaking your mind. :)

haha thanks! You rock a*s man! That's what I like to hear...

If someone said they loved Michael Moore...well then I would say "I don't agree with you...but I applaud you for speaking your mind!"

Why can't we see more statements like these in this world? That is why America is awesome!

[gldstwmn]

I disagree with pretty much every recent development and I don't really intend to hold that opinion back.

And yet, this is the first time I've seen you write about being disgruntled. Why?

[gldstwmn]

And why is this?

I have a RIGHT to demand...I didn't say you had a RIGHT to answer.

You don't have the right to demand anything. Asking nicely always seems to work though.

[gldstwmn]

Well, it seems that he stated earlier that the board is not a place of free speech, [/COLOR]
It's clearly stated in the FAQ's.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think you should.

Well, it seems that he stated earlier that the board is not a place of free speech, and that is supposed to apply to all of us.

Wha??? We don't have free speech at the ledge? My internet home away from home? Where we all can say what we feel?

The fat lady is singing now... :(

ohhh...and she is singing "Total Eclipse of the Heart"....I'm gonna listen. 80's flashback!!!

[GateandGarden]

And yet, this is the first time I've seen you write about being disgruntled. Why?What do you mean? I've been relatively passive-agressive-ish lately. I'm genuinely pissed off about things. I didn't think it would be wise of me to start several threads about it. If things get bad, I'll leave again like I did earlier in the summer. I do enough whining as it is, why are you practically beseeching me to do more? :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Even if someone is completely wrong, can they still not ask for a reason why, maybe they had no idea.

Every situation is different. Asking is fine, demanding is another thing all together. Do you see where I'm going with this?

[gldstwmn]

What do you mean? I've been relatively passive-agressive-ish lately. I'm genuinely pissed off about things. I didn't think it would be wise of me to start several threads about it. If things get bad, I'll leave again like I did earlier in the summer. I do enough whining as it is, why are you practically beseeching me to do more? :laugh:

I'm not. I was genuinely asking you what your concerns are.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You don't have the right to demand anything. Asking nicely always seems to work though.

Why do I not have a right to ask nicely...get no answer...

and THEN demand?

[GateandGarden]

Wha??? We don't have free speech at the ledge? My internet home away from home? Where we all can say what we feel?

The fat lady is singing now... :(

ohhh...and she is singing "Total Eclipse of the Heart"....I'm gonna listen. 80's flashback!!!:laugh: :laugh: Nothin' like a good 80s flashback. Anyway, Steve did say that. :shrug: We've been referred to the FAQs often enough and they do restrict our speech. But I'm not against all of that because in some cases it means not defaming people on the basis of race, sexual orientation, etc. I would probably disapprove if we had free speech all the way, honestly.

[GateandGarden]

I'm not. I was genuinely asking you what your concerns are.Well, I do appreciate that, but at this point, I wouldn't know where to begin. Before I get huffy and too drama queenish and say "Well, I'm leaving," I'm going to wait and see; maybe things will get better. I love this place very much.

[dissention]

Before I get huffy and too drama queenish


Too late. This place has been nothing but sheer drama the past few days.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: :laugh: Nothin' like a good 80s flashback. Anyway, Steve did say that. :shrug: We've been referred to the FAQs often enough and they do restrict our speech. But I'm not against all of that because in some cases it means not defaming people on the basis of race, sexual orientation, etc. I would probably disapprove if we had free speech all the way, honestly.


Yea, that is true...I didn't think about that.

[gldstwmn]

Well, I do appreciate that, but at this point, I wouldn't know where to begin. Before I get huffy and too drama queenish and say "Well, I'm leaving," I'm going to wait and see; maybe things will get better. I love this place very much.


Sometimes we all need a break from the things we love.

[GateandGarden]

Too late. This place has been nothing but sheer drama the past few days.Yeah, but it's been worse in my book.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Too late. This place has been nothing but sheer drama the past few days.

Tell me about it. And I didn't mean to start any of it...with just one single post! :sorry:

[michelle2677]

Too late. This place has been nothing but sheer drama the past few days.

WHEW!! you're not fickin kidding...damn...I feel like I"m back in high school..and oh how I hated high school *LOL*

[GateandGarden]

WHEW!! you're not fickin kidding...damn...I feel like I"m back in high school..and oh how I hated high school *LOL*
You should have been here in July if you think this is like reverting back to high school. But I won't go any further with that. :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

WHEW!! you're not fickin kidding...damn...I feel like I"m back in high school..and oh how I hated high school *LOL*

yea...

I actually liked senior year though...didn't do anything much in class...but that was the best part!

*The Good Ol' Days...*

[dissention]

Yeah, but it's been worse in my book.


Meh, it's gotten to be quite ridiculous. People are just going over and over the same bloody things and it's beginning to resemble whining more than anything else. I can't believe that some would feign offense and shock over a post or thread being deleted, it's not a new phenomenon; this horse has currently been dead for ages and yet everyone continues to flog it. It's quite tired, imo.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You should have been here in July if you think this is like reverting back to high school. But I won't go any further with that. :D


oh please do with me.

Cause you know I left for a few months earlier this year...you know on the count of everyone hating me and stuff...

pm me...haha! :laugh:

[michelle2677]

^^ well, I wasn't a member then, and I don't have the energy to look back at all the argumental posts when i have fresh live ones right here *L*

[greatdarkwing]

I leave and the place erupts.... :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Meh, it's gotten to be quite ridiculous. People are just going over and over the same bloody things and it's beginning to resemble whining more than anything else. I can't believe that some would feign offense and shock over a post or thread being deleted, it's not a new phenomenon; this horse has currently been dead for ages and yet everyone continues to flog it. It's quite tired, imo.Well, I think there was good reason. But, you have been here longer than I have so perhaps you've seen it all and you've seen something like this play out already. But I know I'm not the only one who's very upset and not all of the others who are upset are conservatives, if that makes a difference.

[GateandGarden]

oh please do with me.

Cause you know I left for a few months earlier this year...you know on the count of everyone hating me and stuff...

pm me...haha! :laugh:Believe me when I tell you that you don't want to know. And Michelle's right--there's plenty of drama to read right now. :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

But I know I'm not the only one who's very upset and not all of the others who are upset are conservatives, if that makes a difference.


I hope not...

I hope my opinion counts...lol :)

[gldstwmn]

Well, I think there was good reason. But, you have been here longer than I have so perhaps you've seen it all and you've seen something like this play out already. But I know I'm not the only one who's very upset and not all of the others who are upset are conservatives, if that makes a difference.


So a group of you have gotten together and discussed this elsewhere? Because it hasn't been discussed here.

[GateandGarden]

I hope not...

I hope my opinion counts...lol :)I was just saying it for his benefit because I half-expected him to think that me and the conservatives were the only ones who were up-in-arms and all.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So a group of you have gotten together and discussed this elsewhere? Because it hasn't been discussed here.

Actually there has been some pm-ing...is that ok?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I was just saying it for his benefit because I half-expected him to think that me and the conservatives were the only ones who were up-in-arms and all.


I know...I was just messin' with ya! :)

[dissention]

Well, I think there was good reason. But, you have been here longer than I have so perhaps you've seen it all and you've seen something like this play out already. But I know I'm not the only one who's very upset and not all of the others who are upset are conservatives, if that makes a difference.


Just how many times can one say that they disagree with Chris deleting that thread last night and state the reasons why? She gave an explanation as to why she did it and yet the same things are being said over and over. And over and over and over. There are only a certain number of times that someone can express their disagreement before it degenerates into nothing but whining and pointlessness for the sake of drama and something to talk about. JMO.

[michelle2677]

So a group of you have gotten together and discussed this elsewhere? Because it hasn't been discussed here.

I think you can just tell from all the people that were pissed off and replied to the thread about it being deleted....

but I wouldnt' know..heck..I don't even know what thread was deleted*L* I just come home from work and everything has blown up..whoohooo*L*

[GateandGarden]

So a group of you have gotten together and discussed this elsewhere? Because it hasn't been discussed here.Yes and no. But I should probably shut up at this point because I talk too much and I know that other people don't want me inadvertently or purposefully talking for them.

Besides, I should go because it's almost time for "The Daily Show" here and I haven't seen it all week because of Katrina and not having power and/or cable. I've missed Jon.

[GateandGarden]

Just how many times can one say that they disagree with Chris deleting that thread last night and state the reasons why? She gave an explanation as to why she did it and yet the same things are being said over and over. And over and over and over. There are only a certain number of times that someone can express their disagreement before it degenerates into nothing but whining and pointlessness for the sake of drama and something to talk about. JMO.I'm not referring to just that incident.

[AliceLover]

Well Brown Eyes I don't know you very well ebcause you just came back but it would suck if you left. You seem very interesting and it would be great if you stayed. I know theres been a lot of drama here the past couple of days but just forget it. Stay!!

[dissention]

I was just saying it for his benefit because I half-expected him to think that me and the conservatives were the only ones who were up-in-arms and all.


Why would you expect that? I said last night in no uncertain terms that conservatives should have just as much freedom to post links and articles as the liberals on this board do.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm not referring to just that incident.

I feel ya.

I know the other f*cking one your talking about...oops did I get my (*) in there?!? :cool:

[dissention]

I'm not referring to just that incident.

:confused:

Then I must be quite out of the loop because there was no bitching before last night.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well Brown Eyes I don't know you very well ebcause you just came back but it would suck if you left. You seem very interesting and it would be great if you stayed. I know theres been a lot of drama here the past couple of days but just forget it. Stay!!

Hey,

Thanks so much for you caring...it really means alot.

I have already made the decision to stay...there is another thread about it that I posted...

So, at least for now, I'm still here!

But THANKS! ;)

[lbelle1214]

Glad ya stayed!

[AliceLover]

Hey,

Thanks so much for you caring...it really means alot.

I have already made the decision to stay...there is another thread about it that I posted...

So, at least for now, I'm still here!

But THANKS! ;)

No prob...Im glad your sticking around! ;)

[sodascouts]

Thank you Steve.
Er by the way, we're sponsoring a new game show here on The Ledge called You Could Be A Moderator. Want to play? :laugh:

You've got to be kidding. You advocate Steve's stance that conservatives deserve to be deleted here because they're in power elsewhere?

Amazing.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You've got to be kidding. You advocate Steve's stance that conservatives deserve to be deleted here because they're in power elsewhere?

Amazing.

oh boy...

I'm hiding...call me out when it's all over.

[sodascouts]

Actually, you don't.

No, but most moderators are happy to explain why their actions are justified.

That is, if they ARE justified.

[michelle2677]

This is fun...the sh*t is hitting the fan hard...

and this time I'm not the only one who can smell it!

OMG!! How creepy is this..I literally just said, after reading that last post..."the sh*t has just hit the fan" and I can smell it too...


but really I think my dog farted :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I'm not referring to just that incident.

Oh I see. This isn't really about The Ledge at all. It's about me, is it?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

OMG!! How creepy is this..I literally just said, after reading that last post..."the sh*t has just hit the fan" and I can smell it too...


but really I think my dog farted :lol:

lol...you caught that message before I could change it...haha!

I thought that maybe that was a little too...ME...

so I edited it and said something else...oh well... :cool:

[Dreammms]

OMG!! How creepy is this..I literally just said, after reading that last post..."the sh*t has just hit the fan" and I can smell it too...


but really I think my dog farted :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: holy sh*t

[gldstwmn]

No, but most moderators are happy to explain why their actions are justified.

That is, if they ARE justified.

I'm really surprised at you Nancy. You're deliberately contributing to this thread to keep this going.
Would you do that on your own board?

[sodascouts]

Meh, it's gotten to be quite ridiculous. People are just going over and over the same bloody things and it's beginning to resemble whining more than anything else. I can't believe that some would feign offense and shock over a post or thread being deleted, it's not a new phenomenon; this horse has currently been dead for ages and yet everyone continues to flog it. It's quite tired, imo.

Well, perhaps whining about it will bring attention to the problem and prevent it from happening in the future.

[Dreammms]

lol...you caught that message before I could change it...haha!

I thought that maybe that was a little too...ME...

so I edited it and said something else...oh well... :cool:

i caught you too :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

i caught you too :p

you tricky devil! haha ;)

[michelle2677]

lol...you caught that message before I could change it...haha!

I thought that maybe that was a little too...ME...

so I edited it and said something else...oh well... :cool:

yeah..THANKSS!!!! caught that!! *L* took me forever to figure out what in the h*ll I had done*LOL* I went back a few pages and eventually figured out what had happened

[sodascouts]

oh boy...

I'm hiding...call me out when it's all over.

Don't hide. Speak up. I intend to.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Don't hide. Speak up. I intend to.

Well, I used to around here...and I came off to rude...I don't want to go back there again!

But I'm with you Nancy ALL THE WAY. I totally understand where you are coming from...I've gottcha back! :cool:

[AliceLover]

Don't hide. Speak up. I intend to.

Im lovin you lately nancy! :xoxo:

[sodascouts]

I'm really surprised at you Nancy. You're deliberately contributing to this thread to keep this going.
Would you do that on your own board?

I realize you don't post on my board, but if you did, you'd see that the moderators almost never delete threads. The one time we did, we conferenced about it. Then we explained why we did it, including PMing all the parties involved. We were happy to do so. So that's what I would do on my own board.

To be fair, I will admit that a couple times I have asked people to stop discussing stuff. This was usually about 20 pages into a thread where all hell had broken loose. lol So my way isn't perfect. But you asked, so... there you have it.

I'm not saying my board's better than the Ledge. I have always said that the Ledge is the definitive Fleetwood Mac board. But this is pretty scary stuff going on and I'm not going to just suck it up.

[dissention]

Well, perhaps whining about it will bring attention to the problem and prevent it from happening in the future.

Been there, done that.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm 100% against censorship here. Liberal or Conservative, NO ONE's post should be deleted because the mod thinks the political leanings of the poster(or links provided) might be offensive to other Ledgies. There might be one or two people here who are under 18, but it certainly seems like nearly everyone else here is of voting age. If you can't take reading a post that isn't up your political alley, well, grow the hell up. Life isn't always about "you".
Censorship sucks.

[SteveMacD]

Bitter much???
:laugh: This coming from somebody who's been nothing but a drama queen about having a post deleted off the Ledge.
Then next election, campaign harder for the liberal candidate.
Eh. Shrub, in both elections, was the evil of two lessers. Really? John Kerry, Al Gore, and George W. Bush are the best this country could come up with? How sad is that?
blah blah blah...is what I heard. I have the RIGHT to demand an explination about why my post was deleted. If I did not find that it was within reason, then I have a RIGHT to complain and/or leave.
http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/musik/530.gif
How is it that this effects you anyways?
How does any of this affect anybody anyway? It's just an internet message board. A FLEETWOOD MAC message board at that! It's not rocket science. It won't change the world. Get a little perspective. Are you HONESTLY that upset that you can't whine about how liberals are keeping you down, even though conservatives control everything, on the Ledge? Get a life already.

[GateandGarden]

Oh I see. This isn't really about The Ledge at all. It's about me, is it?This isn't about you personally, Chris. I don't want you to take it that way. I don't want to hurt your feelings; I don't want you to think that I've started disliking you. The same goes for the other moderators.

[sodascouts]

How does any of this affect anybody anyway? It's just an internet message board. A FLEETWOOD MAC message board at that! It's not rocket science. It won't change the world. Get a little perspective. Are you HONESTLY that upset that you can't whine about how liberals are keeping you down, even though conservatives control everything, on the Ledge? Get a life already.

Actually, the link browneyes posted was not about whining about being kept down, it was discussing a recent statement by Cindy Sheehan.

Most intelligent people welcome debate. Why don't you?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: This coming from somebody who's been nothing but a drama queen about having a post deleted off the Ledge.

Eh. Shrub, in both elections, was the evil of two lessers. Really? John Kerry, Al Gore, and George W. Bush are the best this country could come up with? How sad is that?

http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/musik/530.gif

How does any of this affect anybody anyway? It's just an internet message board. A FLEETWOOD MAC message board at that! It's not rocket science. It won't change the world. Get a little perspective. Are you HONESTLY that upset that you can't whine about how liberals are keeping you down, even though conservatives control everything, on the Ledge? Get a life already.

Ok bud...I think I'm going to play like everyone else and ignore you..

:rolleyes:

[michelle2677]

btw..steve...you're gonna have to change your signature to
"He grew up as a sh*t spark from the old sh*t flame. And then he turned into a sh*t bonfire" etc.... ;)

sorry-that was off topic..continue on..... :cool:

[nickslover2071]

Actually, the link browneyes posted was not about whining about being kept down, it was discussing a recent statement by Cindy Sheehan.

Most intelligent people welcome debate. Why don't you?

Well said Nancy..... :angel:

[GateandGarden]

btw..steve...you're gonna have to change your signature to
"He grew up as a sh*t spark from the old sh*t flame. And then he turned into a sh*t bonfire" etc.... ;)I love comic relief. :laugh::lol::laugh:

[AliceLover]

:laugh: This coming from somebody who's been nothing but a drama queen about having a post deleted off the Ledge.

Eh. Shrub, in both elections, was the evil of two lessers. Really? John Kerry, Al Gore, and George W. Bush are the best this country could come up with? How sad is that?

http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/musik/530.gif

How does any of this affect anybody anyway? It's just an internet message board. A FLEETWOOD MAC message board at that! It's not rocket science. It won't change the world. Get a little perspective. Are you HONESTLY that upset that you can't whine about how liberals are keeping you down, even though conservatives control everything, on the Ledge? Get a life already.

Steve...I see where your coming from and i respect your opinion. But when someone is upset, they are upset. Some people take it more personal than others. Sometimes if I get really upset on here the thought does go through my mind about leaving...She was just upset and took it a bit too far and I think you should respect that.

[michelle2677]

I love comic relief. :laugh::lol::laugh:

I'm just trying to be the neutral ground here... :woohoo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Steve...I see where your coming from and i respect your opinion. But when someone is upset, they are upset. Some people take it more personal than others. Sometimes if I get really upset on here the thought does go through my mind about leaving...She was just upset and took it a bit too far and I think you should respect that.


Hey, I have d*ck here...

I'm a guy...lol...it's ok though.

I gues to Steve then I'm a Drama KING!

[michelle2677]

Hey, I have d*ck here...

I'm a guy...lol...it's ok though.

I gues to Steve then I'm a Drama KING!

I caught that, but whoohoo!! I wasn't the only one that made the mistake-I think it's the avatar...some ppl may think that's you*LOL*

[Dreammms]

I gues to Steve then I'm a Drama KING!

I don't think your a drama king :lol:

you have every right to your opinion. you should be allowed to say what you want to say.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I caught that, but whoohoo!! I wasn't the only one that made the mistake-I think it's the avatar...some ppl may think that's you*LOL*

Ohh..yes I'm Emma Caulfield...lol

[KarmaContestant]

I caught that, but whoohoo!! I wasn't the only one that made the mistake-I think it's the avatar...some ppl may think that's you*LOL*

I have made that mistake before, :laugh: And yes, I am a snake with wings.

[AliceLover]

Hey, I have d*ck here...

I'm a guy...lol...it's ok though.

I gues to Steve then I'm a Drama KING!

Sorry!!!!!

[Dreammms]

And yes, I am a snake with wings.

Lovely :xoxo:

[AliceLover]

I don't think your a drama king :lol:

you have every right to your opinion. you should be allowed to say what you want to say.

Not according to the ledge rules.... :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Not according to the ledge rules.... :p

That's true. :confused:

:)

[sodascouts]

Been there, done that.

Apparently not too effectively if the recent response to Steve was any indication.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I have made that mistake before, :laugh: And yes, I am a snake with wings.

LMAO! :laugh:

[AliceLover]

That's true. :confused:

:)

Im confused on that one as well.

[dissention]

I caught that, but whoohoo!! I wasn't the only one that made the mistake-I think it's the avatar...some ppl may think that's you*LOL*

By that token, people must think I'm an eight year old with Dumbo ears.

[GypsySorcerer]

By that token, people must think I'm an eight year old with Dumbo ears.
And that I'm Vince Vaughn. :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

By that token, people must think I'm an eight year old with Dumbo ears.

I don't know about everyone else...but...

I did.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, sorry...that was probably only funny to me!

I'm just f*ckin' around with ya! :wavey:

[michelle2677]

By that token, people must think I'm an eight year old with Dumbo ears.

*whistle* coooome heeeeere...I have some peanuts for you...teehhee...

not..it was just a stupid mistake I made and I was explaining why I assumed he was a she...I didn't think you were an 8 year old with dumbo ears....but I can't speak for everyone else ;)

[Dreammms]

By that token, people must think I'm an eight year old with Dumbo ears.

:lol: :lol:
the last pic you had looked my ex boyfriend danny

[Johnny Stew]

I think it's completely unfair that Chris is being crucified here for having deleted a couple threads.

I understand the fact that some disagree with her decision, but she made a judgement call based on prior incidents of purposeful baiting, and acted upon it. I know and respect Chris, and I'm certain her intention was not to squelch a conversation simply because it had a conservative bent, as she's being accused of having done.

I do believe at this point that everyone who had an opinion on the matter, one way or the other, has made that opinion abundantly clear.
And, as always, all opinions and viewpoints are taken into consideration. But, at the end of the day, any actions we take are left to the discretion of the moderators in our efforts to make certain that the Ledge guidelines are followed.

Thanks for listening. :)

[michelle2677]

And that I'm Vince Vaughn. :laugh:

hey..I love me some vince vaughn now*L*

funny tho..I never could figure out what your avatar was...I thought it was that larry guy from U2 *L* -except he has blonde hair

[sodascouts]

Im confused on that one as well.

Well, admittedly, this is a private board, so the moderators are allowed to delete threads at their discretion. However, it has been stated many times that all opinions are welcome here. Therefore, it is not unreasonable for posters to expect a fair standard to be upheld.

[GypsySorcerer]

hey..I love me some vince vaughn now*L*


Me too. :thumbsup: Hopefully, I'll be able to see his traveling comedy tour.

[AliceLover]

Well, admittedly, this is a private board, so the moderators are allowed to delete threads at their discretion. However, it has been stated many times that all opinions are welcome here. Therefore, it is not unreasonable for posters to expect a fair standard to be upheld.

So basically don't cross the line.

[dissention]

Apparently not too effectively if the recent response to Steve was any indication.

Honey, sell it to someone else.

[sodascouts]

Honey, sell it to someone else.

I have been. :)

[SteveMacD]

Actually, the link browneyes posted was not about whining about being kept down, it was discussing a recent statement by Cindy Sheehan.
I think I know what post was deleted now (where Sheehan blamed Bush for the hurricane), and if I were a moderator, I would have done the same thing. Not for political reasons, but for human reasons. Honestly, who cares about Cindy Sheehan? I think intelligent people realize that she's a mother still mourning the loss of her son. For her, it's the single most tragic event she'll ever know. She's mad as hell, and is blaming W. for everything. Now, you can call her crazy and whatnot, but at her core, she a grieving mother who will never know a moment's peace again in her life. Hasn't she suffered enough? The war and political ideology aside, do you honestly not have enough humanity in you to see that?
Most intelligent people welcome debate. Why don't you?
Frankly, there was nothing intelligent about that debate.

[dissention]

I know and respect Chris, and I'm certain her intention was not to squelch a conversation simply because it had a conservative bent, as she's being accused of having done.

Of course that wasn't her intent and I think it's pretty offensive that people are suggesting it was. Only a dolt would pull such a thing and she can never be accused of being one.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I have been. :)

you are the best.

:nod:

[Johnny Stew]

you should be allowed to say what you want to say.
Not according to the ledge rules.... :pWell, I hope you were just being funny, Jimmy, because I don't see anything in the Ledge rules that prevents reasonable people with reasonable viewpoints from fully expressing themselves.

Surely no one is calling for the removal of all rules and guidelines. If so, then we might as well invite back those who have slandered homosexuals and other minorities and ethnicities, as well as those who have repeatedly and excessively belittled, harrassed and threatened other Ledgies.

I doubt that very many people would truly want that.

[GateandGarden]

I think I know what post was deleted now (where Sheehan blamed Bush for the hurricane), and if I were a moderator, I would have done the same thing. Not for political reasons, but for human reasons. Honestly, who cares about Cindy Sheehan? I think intelligent people realize that she's a mother still mourning the loss of her son. For her, it's the single most tragic event she'll ever know. She's mad as hell, and is blaming W. for everything. Now, you can call her crazy and whatnot, but at her core, she a grieving mother who will never know a moment's peace again in her life. Hasn't she suffered enough? The war and political ideology aside, do you honestly not have enough humanity in you to see that?

Frankly, there was nothing intelligent about that debate.We've talked much sillier things to death. :shrug:

[sodascouts]

I think I know what post was deleted now (where Sheehan blamed Bush for the hurricane), and if I were a moderator, I would have done the same thing. Not for political reasons, but for human reasons. Honestly, who cares about Cindy Sheehan? I think intelligent people realize that she's a mother still mourning the loss of her son. For her, it's the single most tragic event she'll ever know. She's mad as hell, and is blaming W. for everything. Now, you can call her crazy and whatnot, but at her core, she a grieving mother who will never know a moment's peace again in her life. Hasn't she suffered enough? The war and political ideology aside, do you honestly not have enough humanity in you to see that?

So it's inhumane to challenge her statements, on a board she'll never read, because she's lost her son? Statements that she herself posted on a blog for all to read? She has made herself the focus of the debate, KNOWING that arguments like this will be made to shut up the opposition.

Frankly, there was nothing intelligent about that debate.

I don't know. I thought Jason's and Hillary's posts were pretty intelligent in that thread.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think I know what post was deleted now (where Sheehan blamed Bush for the hurricane), and if I were a moderator, I would have done the same thing. Not for political reasons, but for human reasons. Honestly, who cares about Cindy Sheehan? I think intelligent people realize that she's a mother still mourning the loss of her son. For her, it's the single most tragic event she'll ever know. She's mad as hell, and is blaming W. for everything. Now, you can call her crazy and whatnot, but at her core, she a grieving mother who will never know a moment's peace again in her life. Hasn't she suffered enough? The war and political ideology aside, do you honestly not have enough humanity in you to see that?

Ok all of what you are saying is fine and great...but don't you think that we should have the right to discuss this issue and see all viewpoints if we would like too?

[SteveMacD]

You've got to be kidding. You advocate Steve's stance that conservatives deserve to be deleted here because they're in power elsewhere?
Point out where Steve said that "conservatives deserve to be deleted here because they're in power elsewhere." That's not what I said at all. What I said was:

1. The Ledge is a privately owned board.
2. The moderators are appointed by the owners of this board, and they have the discretion to moderate discussions on the Ledge.
3. A majority of Ledgies who participate in political discussions are usually liberal, and many are of a minority group, specifically gay/lesbian.
4. Postings that threaten to offend the majority of Ledgies, then it is at the discretion of the moderators to remove such a post.
5. There are other places to have political discussions.
6. Since conservatives are in charge in the USA, it's not like a post on a privately owned internet message board dedicated to a rock band constitutes being held down.

If I thought there could be a normal conversation with conservatives, I wouldn't have an issue here, personally. But, there are two overriding factors for me in which I see a dangerous slippery-slope. First, there are a lot of folks from the GLBT community here. In some cases, this is the one place where they interact with others without feeling threatend. If we're being honest, there are a greater percentage of Ledgies who identify as GLBT than in the general population, so I think we need to have greater sensitivity to what is discussed here. Second, in a lot of (though not all) "conservative discussions," people start rehashing Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc, after they start feeling comfortable. A lot of times (again, not always) can lead to gay bashing. So, I'm betting Chris is trying to play it safe.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

We've talked much sillier things to death. :shrug:


Exactly!

Give the lady a prize...

new car? The non-gas kind.

[GateandGarden]

new car? The non-gas kind.:laugh: Thanks! God knows I can't afford that kind so I'd need it to be given to me! :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Point out where Steve said that "conservatives deserve to be deleted here because they're in power elsewhere." That's not what I said at all. What I said was:

1. The Ledge is a privately owned board.
2. The moderators are appointed by the owners of this board, and they have the discretion to moderate discussions on the Ledge.
3. A majority of Ledgies who participate in political discussions are usually liberal, and many are of a minority group, specifically gay/lesbian.
4. Postings that threaten to offend the majority of Ledgies, then it is at the discretion of the moderators to remove such a post.
5. There are other places to have political discussions.
6. Since conservatives are in charge in the USA, it's not like a post on a privately owned internet message board dedicated to a rock band constitutes being held down.

If I thought there could be a normal conversation with conservatives, I wouldn't have an issue here, personally. But, there are two overriding factors for me in which I see a dangerous slippery-slope. First, there are a lot of folks from the GLBT community here. In some cases, this is the one place where they interact with others without feeling threatend. If we're being honest, there are a greater percentage of Ledgies who identify as GLBT than in the general population, so I think we need to have greater sensitivity to what is discussed here. Second, in a lot of (though not all) "conservative discussions," people start rehashing Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc, after they start feeling comfortable. A lot of times (again, not always) can lead to gay bashing. So, I'm betting Chris is trying to play it safe.

So you ASSUME that all conservatives are anti-gay then. Hmmm...last time I checked each person doesn't fall into a simple set of lables (OH MY GOD IM LINDSEY!!!!... ;) )

I happen to be for the rights of the GLBT community. And just because I'm a conservative doesn't mean I can't have an intelligent conversation...have you ever thought about the fact that YOU might make those who are conservative on this board feel uncomfortable? Just like you assume that "we" make the GLBT community feel uncomfortable.

[sodascouts]

If I thought there could be a normal conversation with conservatives, I wouldn't have an issue here, personally. But, there are two overriding factors for me in which I see a dangerous slippery-slope. First, there are a lot of folks from the GLBT community here. In some cases, this is the one place where they interact with others without feeling threatend. If we're being honest, there are a greater percentage of Ledgies who identify as GLBT than in the general population, so I think we need to have greater sensitivity to what is discussed here. Second, in a lot of (though not all) "conservative discussions," people start rehashing Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc, after they start feeling comfortable. A lot of times (again, not always) can lead to gay bashing. So, I'm betting Chris is trying to play it safe.

Oh, man. First, who appointed you to be the spokesperson for the GLBT? Perhaps you should defer to Hillary on that one, who agrees with me. Secondly, it doesn't make much sense to delete conservative threads because of what MIGHT happen (and although you act like it's always going to happen, that's not REALLY the case. This board rarely gets out of hand.) But it's easier to shut down the debate than deal with it, I guess.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: Thanks! God knows I can't afford that kind so I'd need it to be given to me! :laugh:

How much are hybrids right now anyways?

Do you think the price will go down anytime?

[AliceLover]

Well, I hope you were just being funny, Jimmy, because I don't see anything in the Ledge rules that prevents reasonable people with reasonable viewpoints from fully expressing themselves.

Surely no one is calling for the removal of all rules and guidelines. If so, then we might as well invite back those who have slandered homosexuals and other minorities and ethnicities, as well as those who have repeatedly and excessively belittled, harrassed and threatened other Ledgies.

I doubt that very many people would truly want that.

Sorry, thought I read a post that said we didn't have free speech. Thats all I meant and it WAS in a joking manner.

[GateandGarden]

If I thought there could be a normal conversation with conservatives, I wouldn't have an issue here, personally. But, there are two overriding factors for me in which I see a dangerous slippery-slope. First, there are a lot of folks from the GLBT community here. In some cases, this is the one place where they interact with others without feeling threatend. If we're being honest, there are a greater percentage of Ledgies who identify as GLBT than in the general population, so I think we need to have greater sensitivity to what is discussed here. Second, in a lot of (though not all) "conservative discussions," people start rehashing Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc, after they start feeling comfortable. A lot of times (again, not always) can lead to gay bashing. So, I'm betting Chris is trying to play it safe.I am very, very sensitive to this issue of gay bashing and how easily it can start up on this board. I am all for not allowing comments that defame sexual orientation, as stated in the FAQ (even I'm referring to them! :laugh: ). BUT--I don't think we're even close to being there. And I know that we have people with conservative leanings on this board who are capable of being respectful of the members of the GLBT community. I know that those conservative leaders are complete homophobes but we don't have to talk about that unfortunate aspect of their personalities. Also, if someone wants to talk about Coulter, for example, and I just think she's a beeyotch and I don't want to discuss her (which would be true) then I don't have to participate in the thread.

[Dreammms]

So it's inhumane to challenge her statements, on a board she'll never read, because she's lost her son? Statements that she herself posted on a blog for all to read? She has made herself the focus of the debate, KNOWING that arguments like this will be made to shut up the opposition. I don't know. I thought Jason's and Hillary's posts were pretty intelligent in that thread.


I have to agree with Nancy. I don't see anything wrong with discussing that. I understand that you aren't allowed to post links to message boards. But is it okay for us to discuss the stuff that was said on the message board? That has been done before here.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Sorry, thought I read a post that said we didn't have free speech. Thats all I meant and it WAS in a joking manner.

You are correct...are speech here is not totally free we are limited.

Don't let it bother you...everyone else knew you were joking! :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I am very, very sensitive to this issue of gay bashing and how easily it can start up on this board. I am all for not allowing comments that defame sexual orientation, as stated in the FAQ (even I'm referring to them! :laugh: ). BUT--I don't think we're even close to being there. And I know that we have people with conservative leanings on this board who are capable of being respectful of the members of the GLBT community. I know that those conservative leaders are complete homophobes but we don't have to talk about that unfortunate aspect of their personalities. Also, if someone wants to talk about Coulter, for example, and I just think she's a beeyotch and I don't want to discuss her (which would be true) then I don't have to participate in the thread.

Exactly. Just because I like Coulter, you wouldn't jump down my throat and get all angry...it's our freedoms and you respect that, and that is awesome!

sorta off topic...

Just read where Harding University, who hired Ann to speak at there college, canceled due to some Alumni complaining that all of her views weren't Christian...this is Ann's latest blog on the situation...

I'm afraid they leave me no choice . . . - I'm going to have to invade Harding University, kill its leaders, and then convert them to Christianity.

This is one of the reasons I love her...she has humor about situations like this!

hehe...oh well back on topic.

[AliceLover]

You are correct...are speech here is not totally free we are limited.

Don't let it bother you...everyone else knew you were joking! :nod:

Okay good, Im not crazy! :lol:

[sodascouts]

Of course that wasn't her intent and I think it's pretty offensive that people are suggesting it was. Only a dolt would pull such a thing and she can never be accused of being one.

I admit I don't think Chris is a dolt. I actually think she's pretty smart. And I don't think she'd go around deleting 100% of the conservative threads.

I do think her deletion of those threads, though, was a result of liberal bias. In fact I think that's pretty evident. That disturbs me.

[GateandGarden]

Oh, man. First, who appointed you to be the spokesperson for the GLBT? Perhaps you should defer to Hillary on that one, who agrees with me.Well, I don't agree with what he's been saying for the past hour or whatever, but I really respect the fact that he apparently does understand the misery and frustration in the GLBT community. I'm with him on that; I just don't think it applies to this issue. But I just thought I needed to point out that his empathy is very much appreciated.

[GypsySorcerer]

I think there are other issues here besides the deletion of that thread.

[GateandGarden]

I think there are other issues here besides the deletion of that thread.As is pretty much always the case, I am with Krista, my significant other. ;) :xoxo:

[dissention]

As is pretty much always the case, I am with Krista, my significant other. ;) :xoxo:


I essentially asked what those other things were earlier and you didn't respond. Care to clue me in to what they might be?

[SteveMacD]

So it's inhumane to challenge her statements, on a board she'll never read, because she's lost her son? Statements that she herself posted on a blog for all to read? She has made herself the focus of the debate, KNOWING that arguments like this will be made to shut up the opposition.
Hey, I've seen in my own family what the death of child does to a person. If her rage, anger, and grief are half of what they've been for my relatives, it's honestly easy for me to see why she's acting this way. In her situation, there is no logic, just basic, raw, primal emotions. See it for what it REALLY is. It's much easier to understand it than to be critical of it. Is it inhumane to challenge her statements? Yes. Not because of her feelings, but because of what it says about us. I'd like to think we're better than that.

[Johnny Stew]

You are correct...are speech here is not totally free we are limited.Yet really no more limited than in any other situation in life. We can't just walk into someone's home and do and say whatever we want. We can't stroll into a library, take off all of our clothes, and curse at everyone who walks past us.

There are rules that govern our behaviour in society, and it's no different here on the Ledge.

I've certainly seen message boards that were far stricter, where the webmasters and/or moderators banned users simply because of a personality clash.

Even if I weren't a moderator, I'd say we have a pretty sweet setup here, with a great deal of freedom. Something that is often taken for granted.