Seriously

[GateandGarden]

This is kind of annoying. Can we not discuss the Sheehan/Katrina/Bush thing?

[GateandGarden]

Why can't we talk about this? Why is Chris saying that all further posts/threads will be deleted. This seems pretty ridiculous to me.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

This is kind of annoying. Can we not discuss the Sheehan/Katrina/Bush thing?

Thank you....

I should be allowed to post an article that comes from a conservative web site...right? Is that the problem?

[GateandGarden]

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cindy-sez-katrina-bushs-fault/

I don't think that's the problem. :shrug: You should be able to post an article from a conservative website. That being said, I don't think it's a reliable source. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to post it.

[sodascouts]

Can't we have intelligent discussions about this? If it's false, we can bring that to light in these threads. If it's not, we discuss it.

[GateandGarden]

Can't we have intelligent discussions about this? If it's false, we can bring that to light in these threads. If it's not, we discuss it.I feel the same way. Yet, whenever I try to discuss it the thread gets deleted.

[sodascouts]

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cindy-sez-katrina-bushs-fault/

I don't think that's the problem. :shrug: You should be able to post an article from a conservative website. That being said, I don't think it's a reliable source. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to post it.

We've always been able to post the links and discuss these things before. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

This is kind of annoying. Can we not discuss the Sheehan/Katrina/Bush thing?

We most certainly can.

[GateandGarden]

We've always been able to post the links and discuss these things before. :shrug:I'm just as confused as you are. :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Can't we have intelligent discussions about this? If it's false, we can bring that to light in these threads. If it's not, we discuss it.

Thank you.

Am I going to be forced to leave the ledge...because we can't discuss things and share OTHER views? That has never been a probelm before.

[estranged4life]

Why can't we talk about this? Why is Chris saying that all further posts/threads will be deleted. This seems pretty ridiculous to me.

threads about threads disappearring...

Brian "Dont look at me...I didnt steal yer post/thread" j.

[GardenStateGirlie]

That only works on this board if you're anti-Bush. Peace out, kids. Feel free to delete the thread but this is ridiculous. I think everyone has the right to discuss things in a civilized adult manner no matter what side their opinion is on.

[GateandGarden]

We most certainly can.
Well, then, what was the problem? The closed threads and such?

[gldstwmn]

Can't we have intelligent discussions about this? If it's false, we can bring that to light in these threads. If it's not, we discuss it.

Yes, we can. Please use reputable sources and make sure that the title of your thread is not inflammatory.

[gldstwmn]

That only works on this board if you're anti-Bush. Peace out, kids. Feel free to delete the thread but this is ridiculous. I think everyone has the right to discuss things in a civilized adult matter no matter what side their opinion is on.

They absolutely do.

[GateandGarden]

Yes, we can. Please use reputable sources and make sure that the title of your thread is not inflammatory.I'm sorry, but I don't think Brandon said anything inflammatory; he was referring to something someone else said. :shrug: Also, what sense does it make for us to not be able to look at something merely because it may not be a reputable source?

Looks like the board is becoming very intolerant of non-liberal views. :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yes, we can. Please use reputable sources and make sure that the title of your thread is not inflammatory.

That wasn't inflamitory...OMG!

What has the board gone too...I mean used to I could be the conservative everybody hated...now I can't even do that...everything gets deleted!

GEESH!

[gldstwmn]

I'm sorry, but I don't think Brandon said anything inflammatory; he was referring to something someone else said. :shrug: Also, what sense does it make for us to not be able to look at something merely because it may not be a reputable source?

Looks like the board is becoming very intolerant of non-liberal views. :shrug:

I can assure you that is not the case. :)

[sodascouts]

Yes, we can. Please use reputable sources and make sure that the title of your thread is not inflammatory.

Was the link to a "disreputable" site what caused the deletions? The one Jason started had no link in it.

[GateandGarden]

I can assure you that is not the case. :)Can you? 'Cause I'm not all that convinced right now. Perhaps later some other information will surface and I'll be proven wrong but right now I'm not being consoled.

[sodascouts]

I can assure you that is not the case. :)

Then please tell us what is the case. :)

[gldstwmn]

Was the link to a "disreputable" site what caused the deletions? The one Jason started had no link in it.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Jason posted part of a deleted thread. That's why it was deleted.

[dissention]

Can't we have intelligent discussions about this? If it's false, we can bring that to light in these threads. If it's not, we discuss it.

I agree. Though the link that Hillary posted was more of an opinion piece than anything else, but so what. I've certainly posted op-eds before.

Here's the real piece by Cindy Sheehan, whether one agrees with her or not:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/2438

[GateandGarden]

I agree. Though the link that Hillary posted was more of an opinion piece than anything else, but so what. I've certainly posted op-eds before.

Here's the real piece by Cindy Sheehan, whether one agrees with her or not:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/2438The link I posted was the same link Brandon posted that got deleted initally. I still had it up on my browser so I just posted it again. :shrug:

[lbelle1214]

Well, then, what was the problem? The closed threads and such?

What is going on? I didn't think that anyone was being disrespectful or anything? It wasn't some kind of heated debate. Did I miss something?

[GateandGarden]

What is going on? I didn't think that anyone was being disrespectful or anything? It wasn't some kind of heated debate. Did I miss something?The mods are confusing the hell out of us by deleting stuff. :laugh: I don't know. :shrug: I'm so damn confused.

[dissention]

The link I posted was the same link Brandon posted that got deleted initally. I still had it up on my browser so I just posted it again. :shrug:

I have no clue, dear, I just logged in and have no idea what anyone posted other than the link I saw in your post. I don't understand the big deal over it, but oh well.

[sodascouts]

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Jason posted part of a deleted thread. That's why it was deleted.

I believe it was entitled "It happened again..." But perhaps you thought browneyes started that one? I know it's hard to keep track when you're deleting so many.

[lbelle1214]

Me, too. I'm confused and now lost! :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I believe it was entitled "It happened again..." But perhaps you thought browneyes started that one? I know it's hard to keep track when you're deleting so many.I started "it happened again" and then this thread. I can't remember which one Jason started.

[strandinthewind]

I believe it was entitled "It happened again..." But perhaps you thought browneyes started that one? I know it's hard to keep track when you're deleting so many.

now now - let's put our claws back in :laugh: :laugh: :xoxo:

[dissention]

I believe it was entitled "It happened again..." But perhaps you thought browneyes started that one? I know it's hard to keep track when you're deleting so many.

I agree that the link shouldn't have been deleted because there was nothing wrong with it, but I think the whole uproar would be better served if you gave Chris an opportunity to respond without intentionally baiting her with snarkiness.

[JazmenFlowers]

Yes, we can. Please use reputable sources and make sure that the title of your thread is not inflammatory.

are you kidding me? I'm all for not being racist, prejudiced, having derogatory remarks and the like, but this isn't English Composition, so what if it isn't deemed a reputable source, who decides what's reputable?

[gldstwmn]

are you kidding me? I'm all for not being racist, prejudiced, having derogatory remarks and the like, but this isn't English Composition, so what if it isn't deemed a reputable source, who decides what's reputable?

In this particular case, it would be me.

[GateandGarden]

are you kidding me? I'm all for not being racist, prejudiced, having derogatory remarks and the like, but this isn't English Composition, so what if it isn't deemed a reputable source, who decides what's reputable?Good point.

[sodascouts]

I started "it happened again" and then this thread. I can't remember which one Jason started.

LOL I can't even keep track!

[gldstwmn]

I agree. Though the link that Hillary posted was more of an opinion piece than anything else, but so what. I've certainly posted op-eds before.

Here's the real piece by Cindy Sheehan, whether one agrees with her or not:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/2438

That link is just fine.

[GateandGarden]

In this particular case, it would be me.It sounds to me like we could benefit from less government, then. :shrug:

[GardenStateGirlie]

I guess we should no longer link to Perez Hilton then. Only Access Hollywood :shrug:

[sodascouts]

I agree that the link shouldn't have been deleted because there was nothing wrong with it, but I think the whole uproar would be better served if you gave Chris an opportunity to respond without intentionally baiting her with snarkiness.

I apologize. I politely await explanation. :)

[dissention]

I guess we should no longer link to Perez Hilton then. Only Access Hollywood :shrug:

You're insane if you think I'm going to stop linking to that salty queen. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

In this particular case, it would be me.

I see. How did you determine its reputability, if you don't mind me asking? :)

[GateandGarden]

I see. How did you determine its reputability, if you don't mind me asking? :)I'm not sure that I even care. I think it's absolutely ludicrous that anyone is deciding whether or not a source is reputable and those that are deemed unreputable are not worthy of being posted. I think we should be able to discuss whatever articles, editorials, etc. we want to discuss.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So I am not allowed to post a link from a web site that has a conservative bias? What If I were to post from a site that has a liberal bias...would that be ok?

[strandinthewind]

Guys - come on, let's give Goldie a break. She is new at this. If you think she made a mistake, don't atack her. As for posting bad links - what do the FAQ say?

[GardenStateGirlie]

what do the FAQ say?

The frequently asked questions? :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Guys - come on, let's give Goldie a break. She is new at this. If you think she made a mistake, don't atack her. As for posting bad links - what do the FAQ say?This isn't intended to be a personal attack on Chris on my part. I just have a problem with what's being said and done right now. I'm fond of her. :shrug: I just don't have to agree with the way things are going here at the moment.

[SuzeQuze]

The link was fine. Intentionally inciting a flame war is not. Most of us know the difference between an authentic post and one that is just meant to get a rise out of people. The latter isn't tolerated. If things are posted to inform, that is one thing, but if they are posted with the intent to inflame and enrage then that is another and it is unacceptable.

[GateandGarden]

The link was fine. Intentionally inciting a flame war is not. Most of us know the difference between an authentic post and one that is just meant to get a rise out of people. The latter isn't tolerated. If things are posted to inform, that is one thing, but if they are posted with the intent to inflame and enrage then that is another and it is unacceptable.I thought it was obvious enough that Brandon wasn't trying to do that. Also, Goldie said that irreputable sources were unacceptable. So, that's not part of the reason for the deletion?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

The link was fine. Intentionally inciting a flame war is not. Most of us know the difference between an authentic post and one that is just meant to get a rise out of people. The latter isn't tolerated. If things are posted to inform, that is one thing, but if they are posted with the intent to inflame and enrage then that is another and it is unacceptable.

I wasn't doing that...If folks would read the first two lines of my post they would know that I think.

[gldstwmn]

I thought it was obvious enough that Brandon wasn't trying to do that. Also, Goldie said that irreputable sources were unacceptable. So, that's not part of the reason for the deletion?


In my decision to delete, yes it was. Suze didn't delete the thread, I did.

[JazmenFlowers]

the whole idea of moderators has always been a little questionable to me, but I never really cared...but it seems to me that these new moderators are being a little hoity toity...whatever...this is so stupid...all of a sudden they are quoting the guidelines and FAQ...I don't know, maybe it's just me...I doappreciate the work they do to keep the ledge in some kind of order, so thanks for that - especially Johnny Stew

[Janet]

The problem was for GDW was that it seemed that the post was put there for people to fight over what was stated in the link. Also, the link was also a message board, and we can't post links to other message boards.

There are people who are very new and maybe they always won't do things that everyone agrees with like say, Johnny Stew does ( but we all can't be as great as him:)

If everyone can just bear with us. AND please, if you feel something is wrong, tell us and we can explain or just admit our mistakes. We are NOT perfect, we just want to keep things peaceful and not offend anyone, that's it:) Sorry if anyone is upset but can you understand why maybe GDW thought what she did? If certain people have a rep of maybe going against the flow you kind of wonder if they keep doing the same thing?

Discuss, discuss, just maybe without the link and definitely without name calling to each other.

[GypsySorcerer]

It just seems to me that very few moderaters were around when I began posting, with the exceptions of Brian and Janet. Now, there just seems to be many more references to the FAQ and rules, etc. That is not a criticism of the current moderators at all, it's just that the moderators' involvement has increased some, IMO, and so perhaps many of us are adjusting to the changes.

[sodascouts]

The problem was for GDW was that it seemed that the post was put there for people to fight over what was stated in the link. Also, the link was also a message board, and we can't post links to other message boards.

It wasn't a message board, but I have already cleared up that confusion elsewhere. So we are back to another reason again? Perhaps GDW could explain for herself why she thought that the link was put there for people to fight over when the discussion was intelligent and non-accusatory? For the record, I am not personally attacking her. If you had done the deletions, Janet, I would be asking you the same thing. I do appreciate you attempting to explain GDW's actions, though. :)

If everyone can just bear with us. AND please, if you feel something is wrong, tell us and we can explain or just admit our mistakes. We are NOT perfect, we just want to keep things peaceful and not offend anyone, that's it:) Sorry if anyone is upset but can you understand why maybe GDW thought what she did? If certain people have a rep of maybe going against the flow you kind of wonder if they keep doing the same thing?

True, all of us are fallible. No one should be ashamed to come out and admit that him/herself. In fact, as I said elsewhere, if it truly was a mistake there's no reason to get all up in arms over it. Mistakes happen. I'm willing to let it go if that's the case.

Discuss, discuss, just maybe without the link and definitely without name calling to each other.

I agree that name-calling is unacceptable. Happily, that has not occurred in these discussions.

[DavidMn]

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cindy-sez-katrina-bushs-fault/

I don't think that's the problem. :shrug: You should be able to post an article from a conservative website. That being said, I don't think it's a reliable source. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to post it.
Very well said.