Why does every gay man HAVE to love Cher or Madonna? [Archive]

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:13 PM

I was at our local gay establishment the other night here in town called The Saloon, and I got into a conversation with someone about "being gay." The bar was throwing a Madonna birthday party, and I told him that it really didnt have much interest for me. He retorted, "How can you be gay and not love Madonna or Cher?" It really made me mad, and this goes for everyone, straight or gay. Where has the individualism gone? I'm not criticizing anyone who is a big fan of either lady, I actually dont mind them, but this whole notion of every gay man having to do this or look like that really irks me. My interest in Stevie for example has nothing to do with the fact that I'm a homosexual. It's because she has touched my heart, nothing else. I dont try to be anyone but myself, and if that's not good enough for people, too bad, I'm not sacrificing my soul for someones idea of what I should be. :nod:

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:15 PM

I've asked the same before.I have no explanation. Just because I'm gay and happen to like Madonna, it doesnt mean those things are connected. :shrug:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:17 PM

I've asked the same before.I have no explanation. Just because I'm gay and happen to like Madonna, it doesnt mean those things are connected. :shrug:
Excellent point.

diamondsnake

08-16-2005, 08:18 PM

GODDESS6

08-16-2005, 08:19 PM

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:20 PM

Well, I guess it is the same thing with straight guys. How can you be a straight man and not love watching sports?

How can you be a straight woman and not love shopping for shoes?

It's not just gay men that get stereotyped. It's everyone...
Well I'm gay and I like to watch sports. Go figure. :shrug: :laugh:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:21 PM

[QUOTE=diamondsnake]Well, I guess it is the same thing with straight guys. How can you be a straight man and not love watching sports?

How can you be a straight woman and not love shopping for shoes?

It's not just gay men that get stereotyped. It's everyone...[/QUI agree. I meant to say that, maybe it didnt come across that way, sorry. :sorry:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:22 PM

[QUOTE=ryan8472]Well I'm gay and I like to watch sports. Go figure. :shrug: :laugh:[/Q That's cool. I am as much of a baseball nut as I am Fleetwood Mac almost. And even though I'm from Minnesota, I'm about the Biggest Boston Red Sox fan you'll find anywhere, go figure once again...... :p

diamondsnake

08-16-2005, 08:22 PM

Well I'm gay and I like to watch sports. Go figure. :shrug: :laugh:
I've always found that interesting about you. It's a good thing- you break the mold!

diamondsnake

08-16-2005, 08:24 PM

amber

08-16-2005, 08:26 PM

Well I'm gay and I like to watch sports. Go figure. :shrug: :laugh:
and I'm straight and I like to watch sports! :laugh:

BTW, Davidmn, if you just hit the reply button of whoever you are trying to quote, it should come out a little better. :) :D

WildInTheWind

08-16-2005, 08:26 PM

Well, I guess it is the same thing with straight guys. How can you be a straight man and not love watching sports?

How can you be a straight woman and not love shopping for shoes?

It's not just gay men that get stereotyped. It's everyone...

I'm a straight woman and I despise shoe shopping. In fact, I hate shoes all together! My world would be a better place without them.

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:28 PM

That's cool. I am as much of a baseball nut as I am Fleetwood Mac almost. And even though I'm from Minnesota, I'm about the Biggest Boston Red Sox fan you'll find anywhere, go figure once again...... :p
Yankees all the way!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :laugh:

I've always found that interesting about you. It's a good thing- you break the mold!
...Thanks...I guess I'm just a freak. :laugh:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:28 PM

and I'm straight and I like to watch sports! :laugh:

BTW, Davidmn, if you just hit the reply button of whoever you are trying to quote, it should come out a little better. :) :D
SOrry. You can probably tell I'm not that good around computers huh? LoL :confused:

KarmaContestant

08-16-2005, 08:28 PM

amber

08-16-2005, 08:28 PM

SOrry. You can probably tell I'm not that good around computers huh? LoL :confused:
oh, not at all...I just thought...uh... :D... just trying to help.

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:29 PM

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:30 PM

and I'm straight and I like to watch sports! :laugh:

BTW, Davidmn, if you just hit the reply button of whoever you are trying to quote, it should come out a little better. :) :D
Sports are universal. Maybe it's the inferiority thing that some gay men detest about sports. I've pretty much gotten over the fact that I suck, and I now have just as much fun watching people play instead of me. :nod: :laugh:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:30 PM

oh, not at all...I just thought...uh... :D... just trying to help.
Nor problem, its all good. :) Believe me, it takes alot more than that to upset me

amber

08-16-2005, 08:32 PM

Sports are universal. Maybe it's the inferiority thing that some gay men detest about sports. I've pretty much gotten over the fact that I suck, and I now have just as much fun watching people play instead of me. :nod: :laugh:
inferiority thing? :confused: but tons of straight guys aren't good and still like to watch....I dunno...and, I suspect there are more gay sports lovers than we know. ;)

ontheEdgeof17

08-16-2005, 08:33 PM

Well I'm gay and I like to watch sports. Go figure. :shrug: :laugh:

I've missed something. :confused:

Oh, and I don't like Cher....Madonna's alright...not a fav or anything.

diamondsnake

08-16-2005, 08:33 PM

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:33 PM

inferiority thing? :confused: but tons of straight guys aren't good and still like to watch....I dunno...and, I suspect there are more gay sports lovers than we know. ;)
Perhaps. What I was talking about was maybe some guys feel like weaklings when watching all these fit, ripped sports stars. I would hope this isnt the case, because as we all know, most people arent that freakishly talented. :laugh:

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:35 PM

I've missed something. :confused:

Oh, and I don't like Cher....Madonna's alright...not a fav or anything.
What would that be? :shrug:

I'm not a Cher fan either. I <3 Madonna tho. But, as we are talking about, that has nothing to do with being gay.

amber

08-16-2005, 08:35 PM

Perhaps. What I was talking about was maybe some guys feel like weaklings when watching all these fit, ripped sports stars. I would hope this isnt the case, because as we all know, most people arent that freakishly talented. :laugh:
oh, maybe you're right. Hey, don't ask me, what I don't know about gay men could fill a book. :)

ontheEdgeof17

08-16-2005, 08:36 PM

What would that be? :shrug:

Being gay. I just thought you were straight with gay tendencies towards hot celebrities. :cool:

KarmaContestant

08-16-2005, 08:38 PM

how many remixes of Believe are there? :shocked:

IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME ONE. :eek:

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 08:40 PM

Being gay. I just thought you were straight with gay tendencies towards hot celebrities. :cool:
No, just plain gay. :p :laugh:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:43 PM

No, just plain gay. :p :laugh:
Women, who needs em? Oh I forgot, we do need them to create more delicious men........ :rolleyes: :woohoo:

DavidMn

08-16-2005, 08:45 PM

Women, who needs em? Oh I forgot, we do need them to create more delicious men........ :rolleyes: :woohoo:
God, I'm getting a little outta control here. time for a sdeative.....

GODDESS6

08-16-2005, 08:46 PM

:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: Women, who needs em? Oh I forgot, we do need them to create more delicious men........ :rolleyes: :woohoo:

GypsySorcerer

08-16-2005, 09:03 PM

God, to be a straight woman around here. No possibilities. :laugh: And I love sports, too. :wavey:

The Tower

08-16-2005, 09:06 PM

I like Cher but not 24 hours a day!
Of course not, honey- that wouldn't leave any time for soap operas....

amber

08-16-2005, 09:07 PM

Women, who needs em? Oh I forgot, we do need them to create more delicious men........ :rolleyes: :woohoo:
plus, someone to ignore here on the ledge. :lol: ;)

dissention

08-16-2005, 09:08 PM

I've asked the same before.I have no explanation. Just because I'm gay and happen to like Madonna, it doesnt mean those things are connected. :shrug:

So, now you're totally gay, eh? :lol:

amber

08-16-2005, 09:08 PM

Of course not, honey- that wouldn't leave any time for soap operas....
:lol: :lol: :lol:

*bray, cackle*

The Tower

08-16-2005, 09:09 PM

So, now you're totally gay, eh? :lol:
That only took another two or three months. Excellent progress, if you ask me.

diamondsnake

08-16-2005, 09:09 PM

Of course not, honey- that wouldn't leave any time for soap operas....
Oh, thank you for reminding me! I haven't watched Passions yet today! I better go pop in my tape.

:)

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 09:09 PM

So, now you're totally gay, eh? :lol:
I've decided so. :lol:

dissention

08-16-2005, 09:10 PM

...well....many gay men love camp and outrageousness. Madonna and Cher are campy and outrageous, alot. It's that simple. I...don't much care for Cher, and am quite burnt out.....I live next to a gay bar, and I hear Cher blaring off of their patio at least 12-18 times a day. No joke. At least 6 of those 12-18 times is the song Believe. :rolleyes:

Straight men love camp and outrageousness, too, they just won't admit it for being of being considered a fag. Just like they won't ever admit to being submissive in the bedroom with their wives or girlfriends because they think other men will think they're less masculine.

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 09:10 PM

That only took another two or three months. Excellent progress, if you ask me.
HA! See?! :laugh:

The Tower

08-16-2005, 09:12 PM

I've decided so. :lol:
Well, ****, sweetie- here's your official welcome to the greatest club on the planet. :xoxo:

You are going to be a man-killer once you're no longer jailbait! :laugh: :laugh:

amber

08-16-2005, 09:12 PM

That only took another two or three months. Excellent progress, if you ask me.
oh, I knew it! You're behind this, aren't you?!

*if you're not, better hurry, looks like there's a line forming

amber

08-16-2005, 09:14 PM

Straight men love camp and outrageousness, too, they just won't admit it for being of being considered a fag. Just like they won't ever admit to being submissive in the bedroom with their wives or girlfriends because they think other men will think they're less masculine.
uh...maybe some do. But I don't like camp and outrageousness that much, why should straight men be any different? :laugh:
the other thing, you're right.

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 09:15 PM

Well, ****, sweetie- here's your official welcome to the greatest club on the planet. :xoxo:

You are going to be a man-killer once you're no longer jailbait! :laugh: :laugh:
Yay, I feel so honored! :o :p

Jailbait...that word makes me sound so filthy. :laugh:

SapphireSister

08-16-2005, 09:16 PM

:laugh: and I'm straight and I like to watch sports! :laugh:

BTW, Davidmn, if you just hit the reply button of whoever you are trying to quote, it should come out a little better. :) :D

:laugh: You rock Amber.

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 09:16 PM

oh, I knew it! You're behind this, aren't you?!

*if you're not, better hurry, looks like there's a line forming
No, sadly he had nothing to do with anything. :p

What's this talk of a line?:o :p

amber

08-16-2005, 09:19 PM

No, sadly he had nothing to do with anything. :p

What's this talk of a line?:o :p
it's a joke. I was waiting to see if tower got it.
Do you?

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 09:21 PM

it's a joke. I was waiting to see if tower got it.
Do you?
Please, I'm the blondest brunette you'll ever meet. :laugh: Of course I don't. :p :distress: :laugh:

amber

08-16-2005, 09:22 PM

Please, I'm the blondest brunette you'll ever meet. :laugh: Of course I don't. :p :distress: :laugh:
read.it.again.

ryan8472

08-16-2005, 09:24 PM

read.it.again.
Oh.my.gawd. I hate you for that. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, I get it now. And I dont hate you, I was kidding, just in case that needed clarification. :rolleyes: :laugh:

amber

08-16-2005, 09:29 PM

:laugh:

:laugh: You rock Amber.
Yes. Yes I do. :cool:

J/K. - thanks. :D

The Tower

08-16-2005, 09:32 PM

it's a joke. I was waiting to see if tower got it.
Yeah, I got it. I am waaayyyyyyy to old to qualify for that line. You need to be talking to somebody like Curtis or Brian LiquidBluey.... I'm old enough to be Ryan's father for chrissakes.

Anycrap- onto the topic of this thread.

Cher?? Meh. She's never really done anything for me one way or the other. As far as I'm concerned she's only had ONE good song in her entire career, "Heart of Stone"- and even that one isn't comparable to Stevie's minor-middling stuff. Her voice is great, but she doesn't write and her choices of material over the years borderline on laughable.

Madonna? She's hit and miss. I have grown up with that chick during all my teenage/adult life. Her first album? "Lucky Star" is about all there is. Like A Virgin? Meh. True Blue? Okay- a little too poppy. Like A Prayer??? Now, we're getting somewhere. "Express Yourself" kicks ass and the title track is stirring. Then we get The Best Of, with "Vogue" and "Rescue Me"- two of her best dancefloor tracks, ever. Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her bookend best albums. And then it all goes downhill from there.

amber

08-16-2005, 09:37 PM

The Tower

08-16-2005, 09:47 PM

uh...you don't have to qualify for it to still be funny. But it looks like you do for it to be funny to you.
no big, as I thought it was funny.
:)
I totally thought it was funny- I'll leave the rest of it to PM's.... ;)

77Rumours77

08-16-2005, 09:48 PM

Hey, WAIT!
I like Madonna... dose this mean I am gay now!?!?! :laugh: :rolleyes:

diamondsnake

08-16-2005, 09:49 PM

Yeah, I got it. I am waaayyyyyyy to old to qualify for that line. You need to be talking to somebody like Curtis or Brian LiquidBluey.... I'm old enough to be Ryan's father for chrissakes.

Anycrap- onto the topic of this thread.

Cher?? Meh. She's never really done anything for me one way or the other. As far as I'm concerned she's only had ONE good song in her entire career, "Heart of Stone"- and even that one isn't comparable to Stevie's minor-middling stuff. Her voice is great, but she doesn't write and her choices of material over the years borderline on laughable.

Madonna? She's hit and miss. I have grown up with that chick during all my teenage/adult life. Her first album? "Lucky Star" is about all there is. Like A Virgin? Meh. True Blue? Okay- a little too poppy. Like A Prayer??? Now, we're getting somewhere. "Express Yourself" kicks ass and the title track is stirring. Then we get The Best Of, with "Vogue" and "Rescue Me"- two of her best dancefloor tracks, ever. Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her bookend best albums. And then it all goes downhill from there.
You don't like Ray of Light? I think that album is great. But then again, my favorite Madonna album is American Life which is hardly a popular opinion.

The Tower

08-16-2005, 09:53 PM

You don't like Ray of Light? I think that album is great.
I have three words for you- Candy .. Perfume .. Girl

ontheEdgeof17

08-16-2005, 09:54 PM

I have three words for you- Candy .. Perfume .. Girl

I love Sky Fits Heaven and Skin

...and hearing Frozen live had me in tears.

77Rumours77

08-16-2005, 09:59 PM

You don't like Ray of Light? I think that album is great. But then again, my favorite Madonna album is American Life which is hardly a popular opinion.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?! AL is one of my faves as well! :thumbsup:

The Tower

08-16-2005, 10:02 PM

I love Sky Fits Heaven and Skin

...and hearing Frozen live had me in tears.
"Frozen" is the only thang on that sucker that comes close to good.

Madonna's two biggest problems are her weak voice and her extremely weak lyric writing. Ray of Light was her 12-year-old diary writing / straining-to-come-up-with-something-coherent at it's worst. Her lyric writing works well for stuff like "Cherish"- but, trying to become transcendental was a big, big mistake. And then she had to top it all off with the fake British accent... Voila!!! Instant irritant.

dissention

08-16-2005, 10:05 PM

I have three words for you- Candy .. Perfume .. Girl

:laugh:

That song is horrific. But the title track and "Frozen" more than make up for it.

strandinthewind

08-16-2005, 10:09 PM

"Frozen" is the only thang on that sucker that comes close to good.

Madonna's two biggest problems are her weak voice and her extremely weak lyric writing. Ray of Light was her 12-year-old diary writing / straining-to-come-up-with-something-coherent at it's worst. Her lyric writing works well for stuff like "Cherish"- but, trying to become transcendental was a big, big mistake. And then she had to top it all off with the fake British accent... Voila!!! Instant irritant.

I disagree and think Ray of Light - lyrics and delivery - are brilliant. I do think though that the vocal could NEVER be repeated live and thus, my problem with Madonna, though I liked her Drowned World Tour. But, even then, I was so close that I could hear what was coming out of her mouth and it was altered before it hit the speakers. Many joked about her million dollar mic. I think in the end, Madonna is a tremendous talent and I like her, but a stellar vocalist she is not. I will say that she has gotten better.

And - do not get me started on her key of C because I cannot sing any flats of sharp Minnie Mouse version of Evita - though I loved the movie and even her in it.

The Tower

08-16-2005, 10:11 PM

:laugh:

That song is horrific. But the title track and "Frozen" more than make up for it.
Well, now I wouldn't say that...

I agree with you- "Ray of Light" is a butt-waggler that is for sure. But, "Candy Perfume Girl" is perhaps Madonna's worst track ever (excluding maybe "Who's That Girl" :eek: )

****!!! "Live To Tell" just flashed in my head and that is an AWESOME Madonna song. "Crazy For You", too. I like a lot of her ballads.

Johnny Stew

08-16-2005, 10:14 PM

Why does every gay man HAVE to love Cher or Madonna?

Because you won't get the free toaster if you don't.

macfanken

08-16-2005, 10:15 PM

"Crazy For You", too. I like a lot of her ballads.

My favorite Madge song.

The Tower

08-16-2005, 10:18 PM

My favorite Madge song.
By the way, Ken- your flappy meat curtains Paris Hilton comment TOTALLY grossed me out..... Thanks for that nazzzty visual.

"Crazy For You" is one of those lips-kiss-tongue-grind songs of the early 80's that's so....... RAWR!!! :laugh:

strandinthewind

08-16-2005, 10:19 PM

. . . "Crazy For You" is one of those lips-kiss-tongue-grind songs of the early 80's that's so....... RAWR!!! :laugh:

That was soooooo me and this chick I was dating at the time :eek:

dissention

08-16-2005, 10:20 PM

Well, now I wouldn't say that...

I agree with you- "Ray of Light" is a butt-waggler that is for sure. But, "Candy Perfume Girl" is perhaps Madonna's worst track ever (excluding maybe "Who's That Girl" :eek: )

Have you forgotten about the "I'm Breathless" album? :shocked:

When I saw "Dick Tracy" in the theater as a wee lad, I thought she was the **** in it. Listening to that stuff now, "Vogue" is one of the few good songs on it. At least "Who's That Girl" was entertaining for the trainwreck aspect.

Now, if you want her worst song, pop in "I'm So Stupid". Christ.

ontheEdgeof17

08-16-2005, 10:22 PM

Her Something To Remember collection has all her great ballads:

-One More Chance

-Crazy For You

-I'll Remember

-Take A Bow

.....so good I need to pop it in right now.

Johnny Stew

08-16-2005, 10:23 PM

Cher?? Meh. She's never really done anything for me one way or the other. As far as I'm concerned she's only had ONE good song in her entire career, "Heart of Stone"- and even that one isn't comparable to Stevie's minor-middling stuff."Heart Of Stone" is my all-time favorite Cher song. Tying at second are "Song For The Lonely" and her cover of "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore."

Sometimes I just want to listen to some ear candy (believe it or not), and Cher provides some fun ear candy.

With Madonna, I'd say I'm a pretty big fan. Though with the last two albums ('Music' and 'American Life'), I basically loved the singles and maybe two more tracks, and that was it.

"This Used To Be My Playground" will always be my all-time favorite Madonna song. Makes me think of my grandmother's house, and it usually brings a tear to my eye.

dissention

08-16-2005, 10:23 PM

By the way, Ken- your flappy meat curtains Paris Hilton comment TOTALLY grossed me out..... Thanks for that nazzzty visual.

Honey, Paris has been used so much that her flappy meat curtains now hang over the toilet bowl when she sits down. Personally, I still haven't recovered from seeing those photos from when her cell was hacked into.

strandinthewind

08-16-2005, 10:24 PM

Have you forgotten about the "I'm Breathless" album? :shocked:

When I saw "Dick Tracy" in the theater as a wee lad, I thought she was the **** in it. Listening to that stuff now, "Vogue" is one of the few good songs on it. At least "Who's That Girl" was entertaining for the trainwreck aspect.

Now, if you want her worst song, pop in "I'm So Stupid". Christ.

She was okay in Dick Tracy, but that is part she does not need a lot of acting for. And, she sang Sondhiem there. I give her a solid B or maybe B+ for those vocals, which were somewhat difficult.

As for the movie itself - it was okay.

Johnny Stew

08-16-2005, 10:25 PM

Have you forgotten about the "I'm Breathless" album? :shocked:I'm one of the few people who LOVE that album. I think it's great fun.

strandinthewind

08-16-2005, 10:26 PM

Honey, Paris has been used so much that her flappy meat curtains now hang over the toilet bowl when she sits down. Personally, I still haven't recovered from seeing those photos from when her cell was hacked into.

LOL, when she jumps rope, her nickname is Flapping Fiona :laugh:

dissention

08-16-2005, 10:26 PM

"Heart Of Stone" is my all-time favorite Cher song. Tying at second are "Song For The Lonely" and her cover of "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore."

Sometimes I just want to listen to some ear candy (believe it or not), and Cher provides some fun ear candy.

Cher is great fun. I don't own all of her stuff and never will, but it's great to just pop in her fluff every now and then. My personal favorite is "Just Like Jesse James". Love "Song For the Lonely" and "I Found Someone," too.

ontheEdgeof17

08-16-2005, 10:26 PM

I'm one of the few people who LOVE that album. I think it's great fun.

Now I'm Back (BACK!) Back in Business!

"MORRRREEEEEEE MORREEEEEEEE MORE! MORE! MORE! MORE! MOREMOREMOREEEEAHHH!

Hanky Panky...nothing like a good spanky....

(Some of my favs from the album :D )

dissention

08-16-2005, 10:28 PM

LOL, when she jumps rope, her nickname is Flapping Fiona :laugh:

She doesn't need to jump rope, she can play her own version of Skip-It with what she has.

Johnny Stew

08-16-2005, 10:30 PM

Sports are universal. Maybe it's the inferiority thing that some gay men detest about sports. I've pretty much gotten over the fact that I suck, and I now have just as much fun watching people play instead of me. :nod: :laugh:I'm the least athletic person you could hope to find. But I've always said that if you can't be an athlete, then be an athletic supporter!

Ok, ok, so I stole that from Eve Arden in 'Grease,' but Eve was the bomb and 'Grease' was a MUSICAL with OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN, so I, being a gay man, can't help but love it and quote it! ;)

I enjoy hockey and I love watching men's volleyball (EYE CANDY). I don't mind baseball either.
But I have no use for football. It bores me to tears.

strandinthewind

08-16-2005, 10:33 PM

She doesn't need to jump rope, she can play her own version of Skip-It with what she has.

Lord Child - you ain't tellin no lie :eek:

Johnny Stew

08-16-2005, 10:33 PM

Cher is great fun. I don't own all of her stuff and never will, but it's great to just pop in her fluff every now and then. My personal favorite is "Just Like Jesse James". Love "Song For the Lonely" and "I Found Someone," too.Same here. I have a few of the albums but I'll never own the entire Cher catalog.
She may not be the best singer, but the girl can BELT, so that's always fun to sing along with.

I love "I Found Someone" and "Jesse James," too. "We All Sleep Alone" is another great one.

Johnny Stew

08-16-2005, 10:36 PM

Now I'm Back (BACK!) Back in Business!

"MORRRREEEEEEE MORREEEEEEEE MORE! MORE! MORE! MORE! MOREMOREMOREEEEAHHH!

Hanky Panky...nothing like a good spanky....

(Some of my favs from the album :D ):laugh:

Three of my favorites, too. I also love "I Always Get My Man" (indeed) and "Now I'm Following You."

Of course it goes without saying that I love "Vogue."

"Dick -- that's an interesting name. My bottom hurts just thinkin' about it."

estranged4life

08-16-2005, 11:37 PM

for being a straight guy who likes Stevie, Supposedly if you're a male who is a fan of hers yer supposed to be gay...Must've missed that announcement :nod: Hell, I had folkz warning me "to watch out for the gay men at her concert"...Which I thought was one of the most stupid statement I have heard.

Used to like Madonna way back during her "Like A Virgin" days cause she was smokin' hot sexy (Time hasnt been kind to her unlike Stevie, I'd still do that dew :nod: ) and never cared for Cher (Though I inherited my Mother's Cher music collection.)

Moony

08-16-2005, 11:50 PM

Cher and Madonna need to take a dip in a vat of acid.

amber

08-16-2005, 11:53 PM

Cher and Madonna need to take a dip in a vat of acid.
Cher, too?! Not Cher....

TWYMF.

sparky

08-17-2005, 12:27 AM

FYI - I don't love Cher or Madonna.

I have a soft spot for OLD Cher - "Half Breed", "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves", "Dark Lady", and from her commercial rebirth "I Found Someone" and "We All Sleep Alone" - and whatever video that was where she wore the band aid of chiffon and was on that shipful of hot sailors. I think Cher is a camp and cultural phenomenon, NOT a musical icon. Madonna - feh. A powerful chameleon with an ear for who to copy and which producer to Phuck. It is a well know industry secret that every single song she has writing credit on - she purchased it because she wrote a line or two of lyrics or came up with a tiny melody line. Madonna is NOT a songwriter and everyone in the business knows it.

But, consider this ( You used to be my love :lol: ) - I am not a typical fag. I drive a pickup truck with two dents in it, build **** at my own house, like dirty sweaty guys, and detest cologne and disco music. What do I know ? My gay card was taken away years ago, and I prefer Courtney and Chrissy Hynde to any gay diva, any day of the week. :wavey:

BombaySapphire3

08-17-2005, 02:24 AM

I have never bought a single Cher or Madonna CD but I do like Stevie Nicks and ABBA so I guess that balances it out .

JazmenFlowers

08-17-2005, 09:31 AM

I really like Cher and Madonna. I lean more towards Cher. I am a sucker for good power ballads and I actually like Cher's vocal style. My personal favorites are Just Like Jesse James, I Found Someone, One By One and Music's No Good Without You. When she came to Jackson, I swear that woman was in top form. Her vocals were dead on and the show was a.ma.zing - I always say it is THE best show I've ever seen. It really was and she deserves mucho credit for pulling that show off for so long.

Madonna is cool - you can't not like at least one or two Madonna songs. Again, I lean towards the ballads...This Used To Be My Playground, Love Don't Live Here Anymore, Crazy for You, Power of Goodbye...and a personal fav, Bad Girl (love the song and the video even more).

But, I will always be gaga for Stevie. I like having that one entertainer that you wrap yourself up in and love everything about them. If I were ranking my favs I'd say:

Stevie
Barbra Streisand
Tori Amos
Christina Aguilera
Patti Labelle
Cher
Linda Eder
Sarah Brightman
Mariah Carey
Madonna

These are people I'll buy anything from...DVD, CD...

dissention

08-17-2005, 09:36 AM

JazmenFlowers

08-17-2005, 09:38 AM

Cher, Bette Midler, and Tina Turner are the three most energetic entertainers around. All three of them are jaw-dropping and defy age. Women half their age couldn't do what they do.

I agree. :nod: I'd give my left [insert vulgar and possibly sexually explicit body part] to see Bette Midler.

dissention

08-17-2005, 09:51 AM

I agree. :nod: I'd give my left [insert vulgar and possibly sexually explicit body part] to see Bette Midler.

I'm sure she'll do a farewell tour before she ever hangs it up, don't worry. :thumbsup: Her last tour was the best she's ever done (next to Divine Madness), imo, and I was so happy that she brought back the old rock stuff like "Midnight In Memphis". Tickets were outrageously expensive (I spent close to a grand for three shows), but it was obvious why. She had an orchestra, the stage looked like someone had regurgitated Coney Island for her, she produced exclusive video (the Judge Judy mini-movie was PRICELESS), she changed costumes every ten minutes, etc. It was a true spectacle. I'm dying to get my hands on the DVD bootlegs that are out there.

In the meantime, she has that new movie coming out with Cher, Wanda Sykes, and Tim Allen. :laugh:

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 09:52 AM

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned - I've not slogged through the past 7 pages yet...

BUT why does every lesbian have to love Ani DiFranco!?!

dissention

08-17-2005, 09:55 AM

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned - I've not slogged through the past 7 pages yet...

BUT why does every lesbian have to love Ani DiFranco!?!

And the Indigo Girls.

My cooking teacher in high school was a big, tall lesbian with hairy pits who liked to play them. :laugh: One of the best teachers I've ever had, though. She rocked.

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 10:00 AM

And the Indigo Girls.

My cooking teacher in high school was a big, tall lesbian with hairy pits who liked to play them. :laugh: One of the best teachers I've ever had, though. She rocked.

Yeah - them too - wth!

lol Ok just read through the thread...too funny! Ryan's gay now :eek:

Is that Diamondsnake kid gay too?

dissention

08-17-2005, 10:02 AM

Yeah - them too - wth!

lol Ok just read through the thread...too funny! Ryan's gay now :eek:

Is that Diamondsnake kid gay too?

Draw your own conclusions, my dear. :laugh:

We also forgot PJ Harvey. She's big with lesbians. Joan Baez, too.

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 10:04 AM

Draw your own conclusions, my dear. :laugh:

We also forgot PJ Harvey. She's big with lesbians. Joan Baez, too.

Really?? Now it's been a long time since I've hung out with any lesbians - but I'd never met any who were into PJ or Joan :shrug:

It was mostly Ani *yawn* who I am NOT a fan of - I just don't get what the fuss is about :shrug:

I do think the Indigo Girls are ok though..not a huge fan - but that Galileo song? Love it.

Lets see - Melissa Etheridge - I was totally obsessed withher in high school lol - now I enjoy her - but I've got to be in the mood....

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 10:05 AM

lol Ok just read through the thread...too funny! Ryan's gay now :eek:
When did this become a shock to people?! :lol: :shrug:

dissention

08-17-2005, 10:10 AM

Really?? Now it's been a long time since I've hung out with any lesbians - but I'd never met any who were into PJ or Joan :shrug:

Oy, I have. I tried to get tix to see Baez in October at the Calvin Theatre in Northampton, MA, but the lesbians had already flocked there and bought up all the tix. :laugh: Maybe it's just because Northampton is Queer Central.

It was mostly Ani *yawn* who I am NOT a fan of - I just don't get what the fuss is about :shrug:

Same here. She grates.

I do think the Indigo Girls are ok though..not a huge fan - but that Galileo song? Love it.

Lets see - Melissa Etheridge - I was totally obsessed withher in high school lol - now I enjoy her - but I've got to be in the mood....

Melissa's voice is an acquired taste, but when she's good, she's good.

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 10:15 AM

Melissa's voice is an acquired taste, but when she's good, she's good.

Oh yeah - she's great live actually - I saw her back when I was in high school and could not listen to her cds after that - she totally outdid herself...:nod:

Anyway - Northhampton=queer central...hmm..I think I know where to plan my next vacation :laugh:

Seriously - I think someone hid all the lesbians (er non-scary lesbians) in Rochester...I've only met some really freaky ones...

The Tower

08-17-2005, 10:24 AM

Have you forgotten about the "I'm Breathless" album? :shocked:
I happen to like that album. At least there's no pretense- it is what it is.

When I saw "Dick Tracy" in the theater as a wee lad, I thought she was the **** in it.
My gawd, you're young- and my gawd I'm old. :laugh:

Honey, Paris has been used so much that her flappy meat curtains now hang over the toilet bowl when she sits down.
Thanks for that! {insert pukey icon here}

I'm one of the few people who LOVE that album. I think it's great fun.
My favorite song is "What Can You Lose?", with "Something to Remember" a very close second.

Ok, ok, so I stole that from Eve Arden in 'Grease,' but Eve was the bomb and 'Grease' was a MUSICAL with OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN, so I, being a gay man, can't help but love it and quote it! ;)
I saw Grease almost every weekday the summer of 1978. I'd get up in the morning, eat a bowl of cereal and watch tee-vee, get cleaned up and walk down to the local theater (the only one in town). Matinee showings were $0.50 for kids. I've always known that I was gay, but that whole Grease worship and my subsequent begging my parents for Donna Summer's double album On The Radio for Xmas pretty much locked down the fact that I am a big, ole fag.

What's scary is that at that time people like Joshua weren't even a spermatazoa in their father's nutsack.

BUT why does every lesbian have to love Ani DiFranco!?!
I can't stand that woman. Can't .. stand .. her.

And the Indigo Girls.
Amy and Emily are awesome. Great singers, great songwriters, great musicians.

Is that Diamondsnake kid gay too?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:20 AM

"Frozen" is the only thang on that sucker that comes close to good.

Madonna's two biggest problems are her weak voice and her extremely weak lyric writing. Ray of Light was her 12-year-old diary writing / straining-to-come-up-with-something-coherent at it's worst. Her lyric writing works well for stuff like "Cherish"- but, trying to become transcendental was a big, big mistake. And then she had to top it all off with the fake British accent... Voila!!! Instant irritant.I agree with you except I agree with Jason about "Ray of Light." I think it's good and I think "Frozen" is fabulous. I don't like the rest of the CD at all. I got rid of it after awhile.

Plus, I will never forgive her for ruining Sondheim with the whole Dick Tracy thing. I never forgive people for ruining Sondheim, especially Neil Patrick Harris. I also didn't like the way she sang the Evita stuff so I'd say she ruined Webber, too. Those are pretty big accomplishments.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:21 AM

BUT why does every lesbian have to love Ani DiFranco!?!Simply because she's one of the best songwriters ever. And I would say that everyone has to love her, not just lesbians. :D

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:24 AM

Really?? Now it's been a long time since I've hung out with any lesbians - but I'd never met any who were into PJ or Joan :shrug:I knew PJ had a lesbian following, though I haven't met any lesbians who are fans of hers.

Back to the first page of this thread--about the straight women and how the must love shoe shopping. I'm a lesbo and I dig shoe shopping, okay? I just felt like saying that. :laugh: And I do mean feminine shoes. And no Birkenstocks. (Sorry Deanna. :sorry: )

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:25 AM

I can't stand that woman. Can't .. stand .. her.You just want to hate everyone I love.

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:36 AM

There was a time when I loooved Madonna. But that was before I got over the "This is the kind of music that I have to listen to now that I'm gay" phase. Cher, I can handle in small doses (her '70s stuff mainly) but I've never been in love with her music.

I'm more of a "retro-diva" kind of guy. Billie, Ella, Patsy Cline, etc.

trackaghost

08-17-2005, 11:37 AM

I knew PJ had a lesbian following, though I haven't met any lesbians who are fans of hers.

Back to the first page of this thread--about the straight women and how the must love shoe shopping. I'm a lesbo and I dig shoe shopping, okay? I just felt like saying that. :laugh: And I do mean feminine shoes. And no Birkenstocks. (Sorry Deanna. :sorry: )

I LOVE Polly Harvey. I just think people with good music taste like her.

I don't know much about Ani DiFranco's music but I do admire the way she releases all her music independently. I used to have a male friend who adored her though.

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:40 AM

Being gay. I just thought you were straight with gay tendencies towards hot celebrities. :cool:

I missed the official announcement (if there was one), but I saw it coming months ago. :D

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:42 AM

Yeah, I didn't know either! :laugh: I thought he just had a crush on Brandon Flowers.

As for Diamondsnake I always presumed he was. Am I wrong then?

I don't think diamondsnake has ever said. He and Ryan are both very young, and it's possible he doesn't know. People shouldn't be forced out of the closet before they're ready, even on a message board. :nod:

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 11:43 AM

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:43 AM

I LOVE Polly Harvey. I just think people with good music taste like her.

I don't know much about Ani DiFranco's music but I do admire the way she releases all her music independently. I used to have a male friend who adored her though.I think that if you love PJ, you would like at least some of Ani's music. My friend Jen ("Nico" on the Ledge) is who got me into PJ. She's a fan of Ani, Fleetwood Mac, and The Beatles, so I thought she couldn't steer me wrong with music, so I've been seeking out her recommendations. She certainly didn't steer me wrong with PJ! I think she's wonderful.

And about Ani's label--yes, I think that's wonderful that she has the independent label. I also love how political she is, too. I actually didn't get into her because it was a lesboish thing to do; a friend of mine told me I might like some of her songs because she's also very much against capital punishment and so I bought a CD and the rest is history.

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:45 AM

Well I just thought it was rather apparent. :shrug: :laugh:

You or diamondsnake? :D

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:45 AM

As for Diamondsnake I always presumed he was. Am I wrong then?He said he was straight at one point. I teased him about seeming gay because he loves watching soap operas so much but I tried to make it clear that I was just joking. I don't really think he's gay. Plus, he's young. I didn't know when I was his age, so I'm sure things could go many different ways.

As for Ryan, I really thought he was just a little bisexual. See, I don't catch on too quickly, do I?

trackaghost

08-17-2005, 11:46 AM

I think that if you love PJ, you would like at least some of Ani's music. My friend Jen ("Nico" on the Ledge) is who got me into PJ. She's a fan of Ani, Fleetwood Mac, and The Beatles, so I thought she couldn't steer me wrong with music, so I've been seeking out her recommendations. She certainly didn't steer me wrong with PJ! I think she's wonderful.

And about Ani's label--yes, I think that's wonderful that she has the independent label. I also love how political she is, too. I actually didn't get into her because it was a lesboish thing to do; a friend of mine told me I might like some of her songs because she's also very much against capital punishment and so I bought a CD and the rest is history.

Well, recommend an album Hillary and I'll check it out! :D

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 11:46 AM

You or diamondsnake? :D
Um...both. :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 11:48 AM

Well, recommend an album Hillary and I'll check it out!How very sweet. :xoxo: This isn't the one I started with, but I would say check out Out of Range.

My personal favorite is probably Puddle Dive.

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:49 AM

Um...both. :laugh:

You weren't (initially). Like I say, though, I saw it coming a few months ago. :D

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 11:50 AM

You weren't (initially). Like I say, though, I saw it coming a few months ago. :D
Yeah...Like when I started whoring myself online. :lol: :lol: :lol:

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:52 AM

Plus, he's young. I didn't know when I was his age, so I'm sure things could go many different ways.

I knew when I was 12, but not everyone is as self-aware as I was at that age. :laugh:

As for Ryan, I really thought he was just a little bisexual. See, I don't catch on too quickly, do I?

No, that was my impression, too. But he's young, so I thought it was possible he didn't have it figured out yet. :D

markolas

08-17-2005, 11:53 AM

Yeah...Like when I started whoring myself online. :lol: :lol: :lol:

When was this? I must've missed it.

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 11:57 AM

When was this? I must've missed it.
I refer to my endless spree in the picture thread. :laugh:

markolas

08-17-2005, 12:02 PM

I refer to my endless spree in the picture thread. :laugh:

I don't know that I'd consider that "whoring." Maybe I'm working from too literal a definition. :shrug:

BTFLCHLD

08-17-2005, 12:03 PM

how come all the straight guy message boarder types HATE fm? :shrug:
i mean like...where are they??? :distress:

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 12:04 PM

I don't know that I'd consider that "whoring." Maybe I'm working from too literal a definition. :shrug:
I thought it to be a mild form. Just dont take it literally. :laugh:

The Tower

08-17-2005, 12:08 PM

You just want to hate everyone I love.
You love Stevie, I love Stevie. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?? ;) :p :laugh:

....but I saw it coming months ago. :D
No pun intended, ba-dum-ching!!!

When was this? I must've missed it.
I can feel your neck snapping on that double-take..... :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

08-17-2005, 12:18 PM

As for Ryan, I really thought he was just a little bisexual. See, I don't catch on too quickly, do I?

That's what I thought too. So much for my Mrs. Robinson fantasy. :laugh: :angel:

The Tower

08-17-2005, 12:20 PM

That's what I thought too. So much for my Mrs. Robinson fantasy. :laugh: :angel:
Like Amber said, "The line is forming"

sparky

08-17-2005, 12:31 PM

I can't stand that woman. Can't .. stand .. her.

Her albums bore the hell outta me. However, I was drug to a concert to see her in Ventura once, by a lesbian of course, and she was one hell of a performer.

sparky

08-17-2005, 12:41 PM

As for Ryan, I really thought he was just a little bisexual. See, I don't catch on too quickly, do I?

Further proof that with guys, bitown is usually a brief stop on the way to Homoville.

skcin

08-17-2005, 12:55 PM

I thought all gay men had to love Liza? Liza with a Z!!! :laugh:

All of my gay boyfriends (I have so many, you know :rolleyes: ) like Madonna & Cher, but they aren't obsessed or anything. They all like Cyndi Lauper & Stevie & Tori too.

Hey - aren't you all supposed to love track lighting & be named Rick or Steve? {50 points to the first person to catch that one}

Diamondsnake is way too obsessed with Stevie's clothes & hair to be hetero. JK, Chris. :wavey:

I like the Indigo Girls, but I'm straight. Closer To Fine is a great song, and the other night I was practically in tears watching part of their concert (it was on Logo :D ) They did a tune - I don't know the name of it - it was basically about the church & marriage. Very sad. They are incredible singer-songwriters.

Ani - eh. She's OK. I feel like I have to like her since she's from here & has her own label & does a lot for the community, but I'm just not that into her.

strandinthewind

08-17-2005, 01:01 PM

. . .Hey - aren't you all supposed to love track lighting & be named Rick or Steve? {50 points to the first person to catch that one . . . .

Steel Magnolias!!!!!!!

LOVE IT!!!!!!

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 01:04 PM

That's what I thought too. So much for my Mrs. Robinson fantasy. :laugh: :angel:
Huh? :confused:

I hate being a dim bulb when it comes to jokes. :laugh:

amber

08-17-2005, 01:04 PM

Her albums bore the hell outta me. However, I was drug to a concert to see her in Ventura once, by a lesbian of course, and she was one hell of a performer.
That's my opinion exactly. except not in Ventura. Very compelling live.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:04 PM

I knew when I was 12, but not everyone is as self-aware as I was at that age. :laugh: That's really impressive. And aren't you from Louisiana, too? See, it crossed my mind when I was a little younger than twelve, even, but every time it came into my mind I pushed it out fiercely. Everyone around me was saying it was horribly wrong and I really didn't want to be any more "different" than I already was. I didn't come out to myself and everyone else until I was 20.

amber

08-17-2005, 01:05 PM

Huh? :confused:

I hate being a dim bulb when it comes to jokes. :laugh:
Or else maybe you just don't know about the movie The Graduate? :shrug:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:06 PM

Her albums bore the hell outta me. However, I was drug to a concert to see her in Ventura once, by a lesbian of course, and she was one hell of a performer.I guess you wouldn't like Norah Jones, then, either.

The Tower

08-17-2005, 01:07 PM

Further proof that with guys, bitown is usually a brief stop on the way to Homoville.
:nod: :nod: :nod: 99.99999999% of "bi" guys are just too uncomfortable to admit they're gay.

I thought all gay men had to love Liza? Liza with a Z!!! :laugh:
Blech. She does zippo for me. At least two gay men have loved Liza- Peter Allen and David Guest.

Hey - aren't you all supposed to love track lighting & be named Rick or Steve? {50 points to the first person to catch that one}
I know where this is from, but I can't for the life of me remember...

I like the Indigo Girls, but I'm straight. Closer To Fine is a great song, and the other night I was practically in tears watching part of their concert (it was on Logo :D ) They did a tune - I don't know the name of it - it was basically about the church & marriage. Very sad.
"Philosophy of Loss" (oooooooooohhhhh, that song gives me shivers)

"Welcome to why the church has died
In the heart of the exiled in the kingdom of hate
Who owns the land & keeps the commands
And marries itself to the state

Modern scribes write in Jesus Christ
Everyone is free
And the doors open wide to all straight men & women
But they are not open to me

And who is teaching kids to be soldiers
To be marked by a plain white cross
And we kill just a little to save a lot more
The philosophy of loss

There are a few who would be true out of love
And love is hard
And don't think that our hands haven't shoveled the dirt
Over their central American graveyards

Doctors & witch hunters stripped you bare
Left you nothing for your earthly sins
Yeah but who made this noise just a bunch of boys
And the one with the most toys wins

Who is teaching kids to be gamblers
Life is a coin toss
And of course what you give up is what you gain
The philosophy of loss

Whatever has happened to anyone else
Could happen to you & to me
And the end of my youth was the possible truth
That it all happens randomly

Who is teaching kids to be leaders
and the way that it is meant to be
The philosophy of loss"

They are incredible singer-songwriters.
They are up there in the top 10, that's for sure. I could go on and on about them.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

That's what I thought too. So much for my Mrs. Robinson fantasy. :laugh: :angel::laugh::lol::laugh:

I haven't watched that movie in a long time.

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

Or else maybe you just don't know about the movie The Graduate? :shrug:
Never seen the whole movie. That must be it.

dissention

08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

I guess you wouldn't like Norah Jones, then, either.

She's nothing like Ani DiFranco! :laugh:

I really love Norah Jones, she has a beautiful little voice.

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

Or else maybe you just don't know about the movie The Graduate? :shrug:

And how Mrs Robinson seduces the boy? :lol: Oh Ryan, you've blown it for we mature ladies! :lol: I did not know you had completely ruled us out. :sigh: :laugh:

JazmenFlowers

08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:09 PM

"Philosophy of Loss" (oooooooooohhhhh, that song gives me shivers)

"Welcome to why the church has died
In the heart of the exiled in the kingdom of hate
Who owns the land & keeps the commands
And marries itself to the state

Modern scribes write in Jesus Christ
Everyone is free
And the doors open wide to all straight men & women
But they are not open to me

And who is teaching kids to be soldiers
To be marked by a plain white cross
And we kill just a little to save a lot more
The philosophy of loss

There are a few who would be true out of love
And love is hard
And don't think that our hands haven't shoveled the dirt
Over their central American graveyards

Doctors & witch hunters stripped you bare
Left you nothing for your earthly sins
Yeah but who made this noise just a bunch of boys
And the one with the most toys wins

Who is teaching kids to be gamblers
Life is a coin toss
And of course what you give up is what you gain
The philosophy of loss

Whatever has happened to anyone else
Could happen to you & to me
And the end of my youth was the possible truth
That it all happens randomly

Who is teaching kids to be leaders
and the way that it is meant to be
The philosophy of loss"
Hey, my crazy brother (one of them) gave me a CD with that exact song on it years ago when the only people I cared about were Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears. Of course I didn't like the song! :laugh: But--wow! I'll have to go dig it up. :nod:

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 01:10 PM

She's nothing like Ani DiFranco! :laugh:

I really love Norah Jones, she has a beautiful little voice.

Her voice is like buttah. I was just listening to Come Away with Me a bit ago. "I want to wake up with the rain falling on a tin roof. In fields where the yellow grass grows knee high." Thing is, you have to be ready to relax to listen, if you are sleepy and trying to work, do not put her on because you'll be all done. :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:11 PM

She's nothing like Ani DiFranco! :laugh:

I really love Norah Jones, she has a beautiful little voice.I think they're alike just because they have some really, really low-key music. That's the only similarity I know of but I made the comment because he said Ani bores him. That's what so many people say about Norah, too.

strandinthewind

08-17-2005, 01:11 PM

The Indigo Girls are fantastic. A friend of mine rented their house years ago when they were just becoming famous. I think this is the best thing they have ever written and that is saying a mouthful :nod:

Kif Fears

Pain from pearls-hey little girl-
How much have you grown?
Pain from pearls-hey little girl-
Flower for the ones you've known.

Are you on fire,
From the years?
What would you give for your
Kid fears?

Secret staircase, running high,
You had a hiding place.
Secret staircase, running low,
But they all know, now you're inside.

Are you on fire,
From the years?
What would you give for your
Kid fears?

Skipping stones, we know the price now,
Any sin will do.
How much further, if you can spin.
How much further, if you are smooth.

Are you on fire,
From the years?
What would you give for your
Kid fears?

Replace the rent with the stars above.
Replace the need with love.

Replace the anger with the tide.
Replace the ones, the ones, the ones, that you love.

Replace the rent with the stars above.
Replace the need with love.

Replace the anger with the tide.
Replace the ones, the ones, the ones, that you love.

Are you on fire,
From the years?
What would you give for your
Kid fears?

Replace the rent with the stars above.
Replace the need with love.

Replace the anger with the tide.
Replace the ones, the ones, the ones, that you love.

__________________________________________________

Michael Stipe on vocal aint bad either.

dissention

08-17-2005, 01:11 PM

I have tried to like Liza because I really like Judy, but I can't get over her crappy material and that horrible vibrato. Although I do like New York New York and a couple others, in general I don't like Liza.

I like her scrappy personality and she has a lovely voice, but I can't say I'm a fan of her music. Though I do like her versions of the songs from Gypsy. Very glad she's getting back on track, too. I'm not into a whole lot of that Broadway stuff, it has to be quirky for me to like it. Like Angela Lansbury in Sweeney Todd or Bebe Neuwirth in Chicago.

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 01:13 PM

And how Mrs Robinson seduces the boy? :lol: Oh Ryan, you've blown it for we mature ladies! :lol: I did not know you had completely ruled us out. :sigh: :laugh::laugh:

Awwr....I'm sorry. We can still be awesome friends, right? :D

PS: I still worry about you kidnapping me, Suze. :p And Amber, we still have a catch schedualed. :laugh:

dissention

08-17-2005, 01:13 PM

Her voice is like buttah. I was just listening to Come Away with Me a bit ago. "I want to wake up with the rain falling on a tin roof. In fields where the yellow grass grows knee high." Thing is, you have to be ready to relax to listen, if you are sleepy and trying to work, do not put her on because you'll be all done. :laugh:

:laugh: That's true. I hope she has some longevity because I do like her quite a bit. And she doesn't whore herself out, so you don't get as sick of her as you do with others.

Are you jumping up and down for Bonnie's new album, Suze? I am.

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 01:14 PM

The Indigo Girls are fantastic. A friend of mine rented their house years ago when they were just becoming famous. I think this is the best thing they have ever written and that is saying a mouthful :nod:

Kid Fears

...
__________________________________________________

Michael Stipe on vocal aint bad either.

I prefer Blood and Fire. Her delivery on that song kills me "And I am calling you, calling you, from 10,000 miles away. Won't you wet my fire with your love, babe?" Also their hit, Closer to Fine, love that song.

skcin

08-17-2005, 01:15 PM

Steel Magnolias!!!!!!!

LOVE IT!!!!!!

I should have known a 'mo would come up with the answer. :rolleyes: I also should have known it would be you.

And thanks for posting all of the lyrics, Towie. Beautiful.

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 01:15 PM

:laugh: That's true. I hope she has some longevity because I do like her quite a bit. And she doesn't whore herself out, so you don't get as sick of her as you do with others.

Are you jumping up and down for Bonnie's new album, Suze? I am.

Yes yes! I've been listening to her new one on BOS and loving it. must.have.more.bonnie

Have you seen her live? It is very special because Cambridge is where she found/became the blues and she feels like she is coming home when coming here.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:17 PM

:laugh: That's true. I hope she has some longevity because I do like her quite a bit. And she doesn't whore herself out, so you don't get as sick of her as you do with others.Yeah, I love that about her. And she's just plain beautiful, too. The only thing is that I saw live in New Orleans and I have to say it was a very unexciting show. I wanted her to do something new, not just literally like a new song (which she did do) but something she hasn't done, but that never happened. Not that she couldn't sing and play, it's just that I guess I prefer her on the album. Besides, she didn't really do anything that I couldn't get from listening to the albums.

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 01:17 PM

:laugh:

Awwr....I'm sorry. We can still be awesome friends, right? :D

PS: I still worry about you kidnapping me, Suze. :p And Amber, we still have a catch schedualed. :laugh:

:lol: One day, it just might happen. But if someone asks I'm going to say, "Wasn't me." Or, I'll just take you to see Stevie!

amber

08-17-2005, 01:17 PM

I think they're alike just because they have some really, really low-key music. That's the only similarity I know of but I made the comment because he said Ani bores him. That's what so many people say about Norah, too.

To me, ani isn't boring cause she's low key (which is why I find Norah boring, pretty voice, though) but because she always sings in that same way, which isn't low key to me, but the same anyways.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:18 PM

Have you seen her live? It is very special because Cambridge is where she found/became the blues and she feels like she is coming home when coming here.Well, damn. I guess I should've seen her there instead! :laugh:

(Just noticed your post).

dissention

08-17-2005, 01:18 PM

Yes yes! I've been listening to her new one on BOS and loving it. must.have.more.bonnie

Have you seen her live? It is very special because Cambridge is where she found/became the blues and she feels like she is coming home when coming here.

Yes! She's fantastic live, one of the most natural performers in the world. So laidback and at ease, and that voice is effortless. You can see how much she loves her music just by the way she plays.

amber

08-17-2005, 01:18 PM

strandinthewind

08-17-2005, 01:18 PM

I like her scrappy personality and she has a lovely voice, but I can't say I'm a fan of her music. Though I do like her versions of the songs from Gypsy. Very glad she's getting back on track, too. I'm not into a whole lot of that Broadway stuff, it has to be quirky for me to like it. Like Angela Lansbury in Sweeney Todd or Bebe Neuwirth in Chicago.

Liza was on fire in Caberet - and there never really has been another like her since. Also, watch her version of "Back in Business" where she dances on a piano that is fantastic.

The whole disc is fab. and Lupone BELTS "Being Alive" - which was IMO the showstopper.

I have this somewhere. I should post it :laugh:

Here is the link on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6302678536/qid=1124302621/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8__i5_xgl27/102-5029166-0576910?v=glance&s=video&n=507846

and the set list

1. Sweeney Todd Suite--orchestra, Jerry Hadley ("Johanna"), Eugene Perry, Herbert Perry ("Pretty Women")
2. Evening Introduction--Bill Irwin
3. Loveland--Ensemble
4. Getting Married Today--Jeanne Lehman, Mark Jacoby, Madeline Kahn
5. Back in Business--Liza Minnelli, Billy Stritch, Ensemble
6. Good Thing Going--The Tonics
7. Losing My Mind/You Could Drive a Person Crazy--Dorothy Loudon
8. Our Time--Boys Choir of Harlem
9. Children Will Listen--Betty Buckley
10. Being Alive--Patti LuPone
11. Sooner or Later--Karen Ziemba
12. The Ballad of Booth--Patrick Cassidy, Victor Garber
13. Broadway Baby--Daisy Eagan
14. Not a Day Goes By--Bernadette Peters
15. Green Finch and Linnet Bird--Harolyn Blackwell
16. A Weekend in the Country--Kevin Anderson, George Lee Andrews, Mark Jacoby, Beverly Lambert, Maureen Moore, Susan Terry, Ron Baker, Peter Blanchet, Carol Meyer, Bronwyn Thomas, Blythe Walker
17. Send in the Clowns--Glenn Close
18. Old Friends--Liza Minnelli
19. Sunday--Bernadette Peters, Broadway Chorus

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 01:19 PM

:lol: One day, it just might happen. But if someone asks I'm going to say, "Wasn't me." Or, I'll just take you to see Stevie!
If that means I get to watch Red Rocks while I'm in your trunk, then I'll agree to it. :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:20 PM

To me, ani isn't boring cause she's low key (which is why I find Norah boring, pretty voice, though) but because she always sings in that same way, which isn't low key to me, but the same anyways.I haven't noticed that. Sometimes she almost talks, sometimes she sings, sometimes she screams. :shrug:

Well, I don't know. The talking and screaming are less prevalent than that quiet sort of singing she does, so I guess you have a point. I just think it's really emotive. But I stand corrected.

The Tower

08-17-2005, 01:21 PM

Oh Ryan, you've blown it for we mature ladies! :lol: I did not know you had completely ruled us out. :sigh: :laugh:
From the looks of it, Ryan ain't gonna be blowing any mature ladies.... :eek:

Whaaaa-whaaaaa-whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

Ha-ha, Suze- cross another one off your list.

I have tried to like Liza because I really like Judy, but I can't get over her crappy material and that horrible vibrato. Although I do like New York New York and a couple others, in general I don't like Liza.
She really does nothing for me. She was the big honoree on the GLAAD Media Awards and they were salivating allll over her. She said she would "do a song" and proceeded to butcher "What Makes A Man A Man?" by speaking the entire song because her voice is so thrashed she can't sing anymore. Pathetic.

amber

08-17-2005, 01:21 PM

I haven't noticed that. Sometimes she almost talks, sometimes she sings, sometimes she screams. :shrug:

Well, I don't know. The talking and screaming are less prevalent than that quiet sort of singing she does, so I guess you have a point. I just think it's really emotive.

yeah. I dunno, her voice usually sounds that same "spiky" to me. even when she's quiet or whatever. I see why people like her, though. And she was fab live.

amber

08-17-2005, 01:22 PM

From the looks of it, Ryan ain't gonna be blowing any mature ladies.... :eek:

Whaaaa-whaaaaa-whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

Ha-ha, Suze- cross another one off your list.

At least my fantasy with Ryan can still come true - A fabulous, rousing game of Catch! :wavey:

dissention

08-17-2005, 01:22 PM

Liza was on fire in Caberet - and there never really has been another like her since. Also, watch her version of "Back in Business" where she dances on a piano that is fantastic.

The whole disc is fab. and Lupone BELTS "Being Alive" - which was IMO the showstopper.

I have this somewhere. I should post it :laugh:

Here is the link on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6302678536/qid=1124302621/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8__i5_xgl27/102-5029166-0576910?v=glance&s=video&n=507846

and the set list

1. Sweeney Todd Suite--orchestra, Jerry Hadley ("Johanna"), Eugene Perry, Herbert Perry ("Pretty Women")
2. Evening Introduction--Bill Irwin
3. Loveland--Ensemble
4. Getting Married Today--Jeanne Lehman, Mark Jacoby, Madeline Kahn
5. Back in Business--Liza Minnelli, Billy Stritch, Ensemble
6. Good Thing Going--The Tonics
7. Losing My Mind/You Could Drive a Person Crazy--Dorothy Loudon
8. Our Time--Boys Choir of Harlem
9. Children Will Listen--Betty Buckley
10. Being Alive--Patti LuPone
11. Sooner or Later--Karen Ziemba
12. The Ballad of Booth--Patrick Cassidy, Victor Garber
13. Broadway Baby--Daisy Eagan
14. Not a Day Goes By--Bernadette Peters
15. Green Finch and Linnet Bird--Harolyn Blackwell
16. A Weekend in the Country--Kevin Anderson, George Lee Andrews, Mark Jacoby, Beverly Lambert, Maureen Moore, Susan Terry, Ron Baker, Peter Blanchet, Carol Meyer, Bronwyn Thomas, Blythe Walker
17. Send in the Clowns--Glenn Close
18. Old Friends--Liza Minnelli
19. Sunday--Bernadette Peters, Broadway Chorus

Damn, I saw the *worst* movie the other night with Betty Buckley. It has a funky title, but I can't remember it, dammit. I think it was The Mummy and the Armadillo, but I could be wrong. It was bad and so ****ing boring. They could market it in pill form and put the Western civilzation to sleep.

Anyway, shout out to Victor Garber because I <3 him so.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 01:22 PM

yeah. I dunno, her voice usually sounds that same "spiky" to me. even when she's quiet or whatever. I see why people like her, though. And she was fab live.Damn, even people who don't really like her have seen her live and I haven't! :laugh: And doesn't she perform all the time? And she lives in New Orleans. I'm going to go over there and knock on her door and ask for a private concert. :D

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 01:26 PM

At least my fantasy with Ryan can still come true - A fabulous, rousing game of Catch! :wavey:
Right on! You know we'd find some way of distorting and subverting even that game. :laugh: You do remember the 'pervs' thread, dont you... :lol: :eek:

sparky

08-17-2005, 01:27 PM

Hey - aren't you all supposed to love track lighting & be named Rick or Steve? {50 points to the first person to catch that one}

20 points for this -

Two men, one shopping cart, fresh pasta. You do the math.

sparky

08-17-2005, 01:29 PM

I guess you wouldn't like Norah Jones, then, either.

I love me some Norah.

strandinthewind

08-17-2005, 01:34 PM

20 points for this -

Two men, one shopping cart, fresh pasta. You do the math.

Delta Burke - Designing Women :wavey:

50 to you if you can tell me who reprised it in the 90's

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 01:43 PM

I don't think diamondsnake has ever said. He and Ryan are both very young, and it's possible he doesn't know. People shouldn't be forced out of the closet before they're ready, even on a message board. :nod:Thanks for saying that, Mark.

I'm just now getting caught up on the posts in this thread since last night, and I was going to say something, too, but then I caught your post.

I think it's unfair for any of us to make comments, especially public ones, presuming someone else's sexual orientation. Especially that of a teenager.

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 01:49 PM

Delta Burke - Designing Women :wavey:D'Oh! I wanted to answer that!

This is what I get for coming late to the party.

Excuse Me! EXCUSE ME!

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 02:00 PM

There was a time when I loooved Madonna. But that was before I got over the "This is the kind of music that I have to listen to now that I'm gay" phase.I never felt I HAD to like something just because I'm gay... it just turns out that some of the stuff I love/enjoy turned out to be stereotypical of gays.

I loved Stevie and dug Cher and Madonna way before I knew there was any kind of gay connection. I was too sheltered in my tiny little western Pennsylvania town to know about any of that stuff.

Towie's story about Grease and Donna Summer's 'On The Radio' double-album was too funny, because I was obsessed with both when I was little.
Of course, I was also obsessed with Wonder Woman when I was little.

Yet, there are plenty of other stereotypically "gay" things that I'm not the least bit interested in (hair, clothes, having the perfect body, going to all the best restaurants and hippest clubs, laying every hot guy you see), and most of the stereotypical tendencies I have, begin and end with pop culture (music, TV, broadway shows).

GypsySorcerer

08-17-2005, 02:10 PM

And how Mrs Robinson seduces the boy? :lol: Oh Ryan, you've blown it for we mature ladies! :lol: I did not know you had completely ruled us out. :sigh: :laugh:

Yeah. :( :p

Uh....Jacob B? Jimmy? :lol: :lol: :lol:

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 02:11 PM

I'm a straight woman and I despise shoe shopping. In fact, I hate shoes all together! My world would be a better place without them.

That's it! Hand over your ovaries. ;)

77Rumours77

08-17-2005, 02:18 PM

Yeah. :( :p

Uh....Jacob B? Jimmy? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oooo... :rolleyes: :)

Why, Yess. I am avalible! :nod: :cool:

amber

08-17-2005, 02:19 PM

Oooo... :rolleyes: :)

Why, Yess. I am avalible! :nod: :cool:
Since we both have Insider stuff in our sigs, I think I should get him! Ha!

:laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 02:31 PM

I love me some Norah.So how come you don't like Ani? Same reason as Amber? I'm just curious.

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 02:36 PM

I never felt I HAD to like something just because I'm gay... it just turns out that some of the stuff I love/enjoy turned out to be stereotypical of gays.I did go through that phase when I first came out. It was relatively short-lived, though. I guess it's just too hard for me to pretend to like something that I just don't. I used to think that I needed to be reading and buying all those gay and lesbian magazines but then I just got tired of it.

eclipse

08-17-2005, 02:38 PM

That's it! Hand over your ovaries. ;)
Shoes...yuck, I am like Stevie...I wear boots all summer long...and I shall keep my ovaries, thank you Paula...
I am another straight woman that hates shopping for shoes-dress-up clothes- or Christmas presents.
I love football, Formula One Racing and Nature stuff (as long as it comes with room service.!!)
Now I will tell the truth and say I did not read all the posts but what's this about Cher and Madonna??

What about Barbara Striesand-Bette Midler-and Barry Manilow..everyone knows Gay folks love em' :xoxo: :wavey: (ducking as I write)
~~eclipse~~

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 02:43 PM

I am another straight woman that hates shopping for shoes-dress-up clothes- or Christmas presents.
Aw, see I thought just maybe you were a little bi. Oh well.

eclipse

08-17-2005, 02:43 PM

skcin

08-17-2005, 02:44 PM

Shoes...yuck, I am like Stevie...I wear boots all summer long...and I shall keep my ovaries, thank you Paula...

HEY! Sue said that, not me! :mad:

:laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 02:44 PM

Hillary- Love the new Sig!!
:xoxo: ~~eclipse~~

(although I too hate Celine :o :o )Thanks! :xoxo:

77Rumours77

08-17-2005, 02:54 PM

Since we both have Insider stuff in our sigs, I think I should get him! Ha!

:laugh:

WOW!
Perfect match! LOL I guess it was meant to be! :laugh: :thumbsup: :wavey:

amber

08-17-2005, 02:57 PM

WOW!
Perfect match! LOL I guess it was meant to be! :laugh: :thumbsup: :wavey:
Yay! trying to snag a straight male ledgie is like playing musical chairs with 40 people and four chairs. :laugh:

The Tower

08-17-2005, 03:09 PM

What about Barbara Striesand....
It's Barbra, DAMMIT!!!! BAR - BRA!!!!!!

JEEZUS!!!

And you spelled her last name wrong, too.... BLASPHEMER!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yay! trying to snag a straight male ledgie is like playing musical chairs with 40 people and four chairs. :laugh:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 03:15 PM

It's Barbra, DAMMIT!!!! BAR - BRA!!!!!!

You know - I had this weeeeird professor in college....she would always talk about ...

Barbra streisLand :laugh:

It was SO annoying.

77Rumours77

08-17-2005, 03:16 PM

Yay! trying to snag a straight male ledgie is like playing musical chairs with 40 people and four chairs. :laugh:

LOL, HAHAHAHA! :laugh: :lol: :]

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 03:29 PM

But Hillary - in order for Ani to be the greatest songwriter ever wouldn't her songs not have to....oh I don't know....SUCK!?!

;) I'm kidding...

I've just never been able to get into her :shrug:

Hawkeye

08-17-2005, 03:42 PM

Yay! trying to snag a straight male ledgie is like playing musical chairs with 40 people and four chairs. :laugh:

I got to raise my hand as one of the few straight male ledgies. Its a freaking lonely club but Oh Well :laugh:

And to answer some of the questions in this thread, I cant stand either Cher or Madonna, especially Cher. To me, Cher is like the polar oppisitte of Stevie, although for some reason I imagine in Stevie's warped mind shes similar to Cher :laugh: Her hair and clothing show disgusts me. Stevie might make a few shawl changes, but it doesnt distract from her rocking show.

And about the sports thing. I love watching pretty much all sports, except Hockey (I was so happy when they had their strike, it meant more space for Basketball and Football) And Im quite decent at playing them too. I wouldnt say Im great, but Im slightly below average to average to very slightly above average depending on the sport. I dont like brag but Im quite the exceptional baseball player :laugh:

JazmenFlowers

08-17-2005, 03:43 PM

You know - I had this weeeeird professor in college....she would always talk about ...

Barbra streisLand :laugh:

It was SO annoying.

as Barbra would say...it's StreiSand, like sand on the beach

markolas

08-17-2005, 05:52 PM

I can feel your neck snapping on that double-take..... :laugh:

Nooo...he's jailbait, remember? :laugh:

Besides, I've decided that I'm only dating/f*cking men between 25 & 35 from now on.

markolas

08-17-2005, 05:53 PM

I thought all gay men had to love Liza? Liza with a Z!!! :laugh:

She reminds me too much of my grandmother (with the drinking and pill-popping, I mean) for me to like her.

markolas

08-17-2005, 05:56 PM

That's really impressive. And aren't you from Louisiana, too? See, it crossed my mind when I was a little younger than twelve, even, but every time it came into my mind I pushed it out fiercely. Everyone around me was saying it was horribly wrong and I really didn't want to be any more "different" than I already was. I didn't come out to myself and everyone else until I was 20.

Sadly, yes, I am from Louisiana. :(

I think I would've known before 12, if I had known what "gay" was. I was very sheltered as a child.

SuzeQuze

08-17-2005, 05:57 PM

HEY! Sue said that, not me! :mad:

:laugh:

Hehe, once again you are blamed for my silliness! :]

The Tower

08-17-2005, 06:03 PM

Nooo...he's jailbait, remember? :laugh:
Well, I'm an old married fart, but I can still look! :laugh:

markolas

08-17-2005, 06:05 PM

Well, I'm an old married fart, but I can still look! :laugh:

Married?? Did I know this?

The Tower

08-17-2005, 06:06 PM

Married?? Did I know this?
Married as "in a long term relationship with my male partner for 12 years". Not married to a woman!!! :eek: :eek: EWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

amber

08-17-2005, 06:08 PM

Married as "in a long term relationship with my male partner for 12 years". Not married to a woman!!! :eek: :eek: EWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
Okay, I know you're gay, but does it have to get insulting? We're right here, you know!

:laugh:

markolas

08-17-2005, 06:13 PM

Married as "in a long term relationship with my male partner for 12 years". Not married to a woman!!! :eek: :eek: EWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

Heh. No, I didn't think you meant married to a woman. Just don't think you've ever mentioned you had a partner.

The Tower

08-17-2005, 06:13 PM

Okay, I know you're gay, but does it have to get insulting? We're right here, you know!

:laugh:
Sorry, honey- but the whole "having sex with a woman" thing really grosses me out... :laugh:

amber

08-17-2005, 06:15 PM

Sorry, honey- but the whole "having sex with a woman" thing really grosses me out... :laugh:
I hope Hillary, or SaphireSister posts some posts with..."something something man something....EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
In it.
I'd do it, but that would be a big fat lie. A lie of Liz Taylorean proportions...

The Tower

08-17-2005, 06:16 PM

Heh. No, I didn't think you meant married to a woman. Just don't think you've ever mentioned you had a partner.
Every once in awhile he pops up in my posts, here and there. He's not a big FM fan. He went with me to Stevie Vegas first time around. Jason, Amber, Mariel and Patti all got to say hi. We would have met more people, but we had been up all day that day.

ryan8472

08-17-2005, 06:16 PM

Sorry, honey- but the whole "having sex with a woman" thing really grosses me out... :laugh:
I don't find it gross. I just have no desire to do it with any woman I know. :laugh: :sorry:

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 06:41 PM

I did go through that phase when I first came out. It was relatively short-lived, though. I guess it's just too hard for me to pretend to like something that I just don't. I used to think that I needed to be reading and buying all those gay and lesbian magazines but then I just got tired of it.I had a few very well-meaning friends who, as soon as I came out, started telling me, "Ok, you have to get your hair cut this way, and start wearing this type of clothing, and buy this brand of underwear, and get yourself more sexual experience, yadda-yadda-yadda."

But that's just not me, and I refused to give in... even then.
Coming out allowed me to finally stop pretending to be something I'm not, so I certainly wasn't going to give up one type of conformity for another.

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 06:43 PM

I don't find it gross. I just have no desire to do it with any woman I know. :laugh: :sorry:I French-kissed a girl on a dare in 7th grade.
If I hadn't been in such deep denial, I would have known right then and there that I was gay... no offense to the ladies here, but it was yucky! :laugh:

markolas

08-17-2005, 06:53 PM

I never felt I HAD to like something just because I'm gay... it just turns out that some of the stuff I love/enjoy turned out to be stereotypical of gays.

I don't think there's much I like in the way of music that's stereotypically gay, except for my aforementioned fondness for Billie, Ella, Dinah, etc.

I loved Stevie and dug Cher and Madonna way before I knew there was any kind of gay connection. I was too sheltered in my tiny little western Pennsylvania town to know about any of that stuff.

Towie's story about Grease and Donna Summer's 'On The Radio' double-album was too funny, because I was obsessed with both when I was little.
Of course, I was also obsessed with Wonder Woman when I was little.

Being just a little bit younger than you, these things are mostly before my time. :p

Yet, there are plenty of other stereotypically "gay" things that I'm not the least bit interested in (hair, clothes, having the perfect body, going to all the best restaurants and hippest clubs, laying every hot guy you see), and most of the stereotypical tendencies I have, begin and end with pop culture (music, TV, broadway shows).

This is why the prospect of being single again is a little daunting for me. I have no interest in clothes, or going to the gym or the clubs, or Paris Hilton. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't live in a college town? I dunno. :shrug:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:06 PM

I got to raise my hand as one of the few straight male ledgies. Its a freaking lonely club but Oh Well :laugh:Yeah, but you know it's not half as lonely as sometimes feeling like you may be the only gay person in "real life."

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:09 PM

Sadly, yes, I am from Louisiana. :(

I think I would've known before 12, if I had known what "gay" was. I was very sheltered as a child.For the most part, I hate the fact that I'm from LA, too. But at we know there are some sane people, and some who managed to get out. :xoxo:

Well, I was informed that I was gay at the age of 9 on the playground on numerous occasions. It didn't help that I heard the word "babe" somewhere I promptly declared that one of the female teachers was a "babe." So, I didn't really know what gay was then, but I knew to some degree.

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 07:09 PM

Being just a little bit younger than you....You just love pointing that out, don't ya? :p :laugh:

This is why the prospect of being single again is a little daunting for me. I have no interest in clothes, or going to the gym or the clubs, or Paris Hilton. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't live in a college town? I dunno. :shrug:It is hard when you're gay and single, if you don't "fit in."
There seem to be a lot of requirements in regards to how we're expected to carry ourselves and how we should dress and where we should hang out.

The only good advice I can give you, is to just continue being your sweet self. But I'm sure you already knew to do that. :xoxo:

By the way, and not to bring up a potentially sore subject, but when did you become single again?

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:10 PM

I hope Hillary, or SaphireSister posts some posts with..."something something man something....EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
In it.
I'd do it, but that would be a big fat lie. A lie of Liz Taylorean proportions...See, but I don't feel that way. I don't think that other sexual orientations are gross. :shrug: I don't get grossed out when I think of two men having sex or a man and woman having sex. :shrug: Maybe Lindsay will do it for you since I won't :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:12 PM

Coming out allowed me to finally stop pretending to be something I'm not, so I certainly wasn't going to give up one type of conformity for another.Exactly! :nod: I was not about to start going all out and getting some dyke haircut and wearing flannel shirts and all that stuff. Not me at all. I like my skirts. :nod:

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 07:14 PM

I had a few very well-meaning friends who, as soon as I came out, started telling me, "Ok, you have to get your hair cut this way, and start wearing this type of clothing, and buy this brand of underwear, and get yourself more sexual experience, yadda-yadda-yadda."

But that's just not me, and I refused to give in... even then.
Coming out allowed me to finally stop pretending to be something I'm not, so I certainly wasn't going to give up one type of conformity for another.

Right on :thumbsup: So many people DO fall into that - and that is what perpetuates the stereotype...

I had a friend who was just your average run of the mill guy's guy - well he came out and that all went to hell - now he's the biggest flamer out there - he won't even associate with anything NOT gay :rolleyes: It's sad - and he's miserable and yada yada yada - you gotta be true to yourself.

Another good friend of mine - is gay. BUT he's never been anything but true to himself -he rebuilt a 1969 Mustang pretty much from scratch - all he had was the frame - he rebuilt a 1977 Harley motorcycle...but then he could turn around and give me a fabulous haircut :laugh: His gay friends would DIE when he'd run out to the store all dirty and greasy from his car....:p

amber

08-17-2005, 07:15 PM

See, but I don't feel that way. I don't think that other sexual orientations are gross. :shrug: I don't get grossed out when I think of two men having sex or a man and woman having sex. :shrug: Maybe Lindsay will do it for you since I won't :laugh:

great. I was just kidding. Thanks for the expla though. :)

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:17 PM

I French-kissed a girl on a dare in 7th grade.
If I hadn't been in such deep denial, I would have known right then and there that I was gay... no offense to the ladies here, but it was yucky! :laugh:Sadly, I have no stories like this because I have never kissed anyone. :distress: But, back in high school, when I was hopelessly depressed, one of the really popular guys, a complete hunk, asked me to dance at one of the school dances. I had no idea how to dance. He sweet-talked me and all and he was fine. That was quite an enjoyable moment, but then I have to admit that I would've preferred this really beautiful brunette from my English class. :laugh: Oddly enough, he wound up going to my university and we both worked on fly together for a musical. (He's actually a straight guy who does theatre! :eek: ). He had actually considered me bisexual all along. He thought it was hilarious that I was totally gay for some reason.

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 07:18 PM

Exactly! :nod: I was not about to start going all out and getting some dyke haircut and wearing flannel shirts and all that stuff. Not me at all. I like my skirts. :nod:

:nod: me too! I like girly things like bags and shoes and skirts - I mean I'm not fashionista or anything - but I think I've got a style all my own and yes, skirts and even dresses are included.

When I first came out - in high school - I did try to fit in - chopped all my hair off - bought bigger pants - wore a wallet with a chain :laugh: When I got to college and realized what rubbish trying to live up to a dyke stereotype was I started coming more into my own - BUT when I grew my hair out women completely and totally stopped hitting on me.

I've got short hair again - but I fix it a certain way and I wear makeup and :rolleyes: gay women STILL don't notice me....oh well...what are you gonna do?

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:18 PM

great. I was just kidding. Thanks for the expla though. :)Oh, I thought you were, like, 40 or 50% kidding. :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:21 PM

:nod: me too! I like girly things like bags and shoes and skirts - I mean I'm not fashionista or anything - but I think I've got a style all my own and yes, skirts and even dresses are included.

When I first came out - in high school - I did try to fit in - chopped all my hair off - bought bigger pants - wore a wallet with a chain :laugh: When I got to college and realized what rubbish trying to live up to a dyke stereotype was I started coming more into my own - BUT when I grew my hair out women completely and totally stopped hitting on me.

I've got short hair again - but I fix it a certain way and I wear makeup and :rolleyes: gay women STILL don't notice me....oh well...what are you gonna do?Gay women still don't notice you? That's crazy! I mean, you have a short haircut and you're gorgeous. I wouldn't automatically assume you like women but I might be looking at you like "Hmmm....I wonder...and she's cute, so..." if I didn't already know. I'm surprised that no women hit on you. :confused: Maybe this is why no women hit on me...girly blouses, skirts, make-up, medium length hair. Would it really help if I looked butch? Oh well, I don't want to, so I guess it doesn't matter. :laugh:

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 07:25 PM

Gay women still don't notice you? That's crazy! I mean, you have a short haircut and you're gorgeous. I wouldn't automatically assume you like women but I might be looking at you like "Hmmm....I wonder...and she's cute, so..." if I didn't already know. I'm surprised that no women hit on you. :confused: Maybe this is why no women hit on me...girly blouses, skirts, make-up, medium length hair. Would it really help if I looked butch? Oh well, I don't want to, so I guess it doesn't matter. :laugh:

Awww shucks :xoxo: Thanks *blush*

Yeah - I don't know - I guess my other problem is that I don't really like butch women lol - so it's not like I hit on anyone either - because I'm never sure if the femme-y ones are gay :shrug:

It's annoying! And I don't want to meet a girl at a gay bar - those places are just usually sketch city. So pretty much I'm leaving it up to fate/chance :laugh: AND....I'm alone :rolleyes:

I figure if it's meant to be it'll happen someday - there is a gay/lesbian film festival coming up - I may take in some films and try to meet some new people there.

Anyway - I don't want to be more butch - the thought scares me - even when I went through my "butch phase" I wasn't that butch...

What I seem to notice is that all the femme women I've liked - they like the really really butch girls :mad: I just can't win :laugh:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:33 PM

Awww shucks :xoxo: Thanks *blush*

Yeah - I don't know - I guess my other problem is that I don't really like butch women lol - so it's not like I hit on anyone either - because I'm never sure if the femme-y ones are gay :shrug:

It's annoying! And I don't want to meet a girl at a gay bar - those places are just usually sketch city. So pretty much I'm leaving it up to fate/chance :laugh: AND....I'm alone :rolleyes:

I figure if it's meant to be it'll happen someday - there is a gay/lesbian film festival coming up - I may take in some films and try to meet some new people there.

Anyway - I don't want to be more butch - the thought scares me - even when I went through my "butch phase" I wasn't that butch...

What I seem to notice is that all the femme women I've liked - they like the really really butch girls :mad: I just can't win :laugh:
Ditto to everything! Even the film festival. I'm actually going to my first gay/lesbian film festival not too long from now. :woohoo: Anyway, yeah, I'm not attracted to butch girls. The most butch person I find attractive is Ellen Degeneres, and she's androgynous, not butch. And it does seem as though a lot of femmes want butch girls, which sucks. Although I would be an exception. :shrug: And it's a bitch that the femmes, like you said, aren't obvious so then it's nearly impossible to know who to flirt with. And I also find it pretty scary to think of going butch; I feel like I would be pretending to be another person.

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 07:50 PM

Ditto to everything! Even the film festival. I'm actually going to my first gay/lesbian film festival not too long from now. :woohoo: Anyway, yeah, I'm not attracted to butch girls. The most butch person I find attractive is Ellen Degeneres, and she's androgynous, not butch. And it does seem as though a lot of femmes want butch girls, which sucks. Although I would be an exception. :shrug: And it's a bitch that the femmes, like you said, aren't obvious so then it's nearly impossible to know who to flirt with. And I also find it pretty scary to think of going butch; I feel like I would be pretending to be another person.

Oh totally - The thought of me going butch is so ridiculous. But a lot of the butch girls I know I find ridiculous so :shrug:

I agree about Ellen - but I don't consider her butch so much - as you said. I just don't get the butch thing :shrug: I mean - I like women who are women - not th ewomen who look like men I just really dont' get it - but hey to each their own and we all need somebody to love :)

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 07:53 PM

I agree about Ellen - but I don't consider her butch so much - as you said. I just don't get the butch thing :shrug: I mean - I like women who are women - not th ewomen who look like men I just really dont' get it - but hey to each their own and we all need somebody to love :)Agreed. :nod::nod::nod:

ontheEdgeof17

08-17-2005, 08:07 PM

Oh totally - The thought of me going butch is so ridiculous. But a lot of the butch girls I know I find ridiculous so :shrug:

I agree about Ellen - but I don't consider her butch so much - as you said. I just don't get the butch thing :shrug: I mean - I like women who are women - not th ewomen who look like men I just really dont' get it - but hey to each their own and we all need somebody to love :)

Same with guys dressing up like women every other day. I don't understand it, but if they enjoy it...more power to them. I just don't find that attractive.

markolas

08-17-2005, 08:20 PM

For the most part, I hate the fact that I'm from LA, too. But at we know there are some sane people, and some who managed to get out.

Well, it doesn't bother me that I'm *from* there, seeing as how I don't live there anymore. :laugh: You're from the same rednecky part of LA I am, aren't you?

Well, I was informed that I was gay at the age of 9 on the playground on numerous occasions.

I got some of that, too, but didn't really know what it meant. I suspect most of the kids saying it didn't know, either.

markolas

08-17-2005, 08:23 PM

You just love pointing that out, don't ya? :p :laugh:

Heh. It really doesn't. Most of my friends are closer to your age. :)

By the way, and not to bring up a potentially sore subject, but when did you become single again?

Less than a week ago. I wanted to end things a bit before that, though. I always thought that if there was any smothering going on in a relationship, that I'd be the one doing it. I never thought *I* would be the one feeling smothered and desperately needing to get out. But, there ya go. :shrug:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 08:28 PM

Well, it doesn't bother me that I'm *from* there, seeing as how I don't live there anymore. :laugh: You're from the same rednecky part of LA I am, aren't you?I'm not sure. I never share where I live on the internet, besides LA. Notice how I share an inordinate amount of other things? I decided to draw the line at last name, city, etc. I had to stop somewhere because I really do overdo everything that I do. :laugh: :nod:

I got some of that, too, but didn't really know what it meant. I suspect most of the kids saying it didn't know, either.I suspect the same.

DrummerDeanna

08-17-2005, 08:34 PM

I'm not sure. I never share where I live on the internet, besides LA. Notice how I share an inordinate amount of other things? I decided to draw the line at last name, city, etc. I had to stop somewhere because I really do overdo everything that I do. :laugh: :nod:

That's probably smart - I share WAAAAY too much and I know I do - luckily it hasn't bitten me in the ass *yet* :eek:

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 08:44 PM

Less than a week ago. I wanted to end things a bit before that, though. I always thought that if there was any smothering going on in a relationship, that I'd be the one doing it. I never thought *I* would be the one feeling smothered and desperately needing to get out. But, there ya go. :shrug:I'm sorry to hear that, but it sounds like you were smart to end things.

It's extremely difficult to find something balanced. Where you both want to be with each other, and yet you allow each other to have space, too.

Both things are important... togetherness/quality-time, as well as having some "breathing room."

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 08:50 PM

That's probably smart - I share WAAAAY too much and I know I do - luckily it hasn't bitten me in the ass *yet* :eek:I learned my lesson when a guy I was getting to know via the internet, and whom I had told where I work, called me there... pretending to be a friend of his, and asking me if I was interested in his "friend" and wanted to know why I wouldn't sleep with him.

He called there a few other times looking for me, too, and continued to hound me online for quite a while.

Thank God he moved out of state (per a friend of mine who was acquainted with the guy) before I ended up on the evening news.

dissention

08-17-2005, 08:58 PM

I French-kissed a girl on a dare in 7th grade.
If I hadn't been in such deep denial, I would have known right then and there that I was gay... no offense to the ladies here, but it was yucky! :laugh:

My word, I can understand you guys might not be attracted to women, but I fail to see the yuckiness of them. :laugh: They're lovely. When you find the right ones, of course.

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 09:07 PM

My word, I can understand you guys might not be attracted to women, but I fail to see the yuckiness of them. :laugh: They're lovely. When you find the right ones, of course.I don't think women are yucky. Far from it!
There are many women who are actually so breathtaking, that MY heart skips a beat when I see them.

But kissing a woman? Sorry, but it didn't do a thing for me, and the mere idea turns me off now. :shrug:

Bobbie Jo... wherever you are, sweetie, ya turned me gay! :laugh:

markolas

08-17-2005, 09:22 PM

I'm sorry to hear that, but it sounds like you were smart to end things.

It's extremely difficult to find something balanced. Where you both want to be with each other, and yet you allow each other to have space, too.

Both things are important... togetherness/quality-time, as well as having some "breathing room."

Part of the problem was I just don't want a husband. I'm someone who *needs* a lot of alone time, and he couldn't deal with that. I think what I'm looking for is someone who's a great friend that I get along with, am attracted to, and can have great, fun, lighthearted sex with. And not have him complain if I need a little personal space every few days. :lol:

A happy medium in between a trick and an LTR. :nod:

The Tower

08-17-2005, 09:23 PM

My word, I can understand you guys might not be attracted to women, but I fail to see the yuckiness of them.
Should I go into greater detail for you? I love women. But, the physical thing is just not working for me.

I don't think women are yucky. Far from it!
There are many women who are actually so breathtaking, that MY heart skips a beat when I see them.
Not for me. It's men, men, men, men, men, men, MEN!!

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 09:37 PM

I learned my lesson when a guy I was getting to know via the internet, and whom I had told where I work, called me there... pretending to be a friend of his, and asking me if I was interested in his "friend" and wanted to know why I wouldn't sleep with him.

He called there a few other times looking for me, too, and continued to hound me online for quite a while.

Thank God he moved out of state (per a friend of mine who was acquainted with the guy) before I ended up on the evening news.Oh, that must have been scary. I'm so sorry that happened to you, and so glad that nothing else happened and that you're okay! :xoxo:

ontheEdgeof17

08-17-2005, 09:38 PM

Not for me. It's men, men, men, men, men, men, MEN!!

I guess this means you like men? I can't tell. Spell it out for me some more. :shrug:

GateandGarden

08-17-2005, 09:41 PM

I guess this means you like men? I can't tell. Spell it out for me some more. :shrug::laugh::lol::laugh:

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 09:42 PM

Part of the problem was I just don't want a husband. I'm someone who *needs* a lot of alone time, and he couldn't deal with that. I think what I'm looking for is someone who's a great friend that I get along with, am attracted to, and can have great, fun, lighthearted sex with. And not have him complain if I need a little personal space every few days. :lol:

A happy medium in between a trick and an LTR. :nod:THAT is extremely hard to find.

Then again, it always seems like the one thing we're most looking for, is the one thing we have the most difficult time finding. Meanwhile, other people seem to fall right into those kinds of relationships!

I always seemed to find guys who either wanted to be married YESTERDAY, or who only wanted to get their rocks off. When what I wanted, was something in between.
And me, being the stubborn Italian/Englishman that I am, refused to settle for one extreme or the other.

Johnny Stew

08-17-2005, 09:48 PM

Oh, that must have been scary. I'm so sorry that happened to you, and so glad that nothing else happened and that you're okay! :xoxo:Thanks, sweetie. :xoxo:

It could have been MUCH worse, so I lucked out that my wakeup call wasn't too harsh. Just enough to teach me to be more selective about who I give out my personal information to. Of course, I probably still give out a little too much info.

Funny thing is, AFTER it happened, several guys from around here who knew him, told me to stay away from him, that he was unbalanced (he must have been, if he wanted to sleep with me! :shocked: ). Where were these guys BEFORE I started getting to know him! :laugh: