Fleetwood Mac Tour Survivor ('75-'05) Rounds 3 and 4

[77Rumours77]

Welcome to Fleetwood Mac Tour Survivor! 1975-2005. Rounds 3-4
Voting will end everyday at 10 PM (CTS) (Voting for today (Aug 13) will end tomorrow at 10)
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The Contestants...
White Album Tour
Rumors Tour
Tusk Tour
Mirage Tour
Tango In The Night Tour (This includes Shakin' The Cage)
Behind The Mask Tour
Dance Tour


Voted Off - -
Time Tour
Say You Will Tour

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[golden braid]

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[strandinthewind]

They were all just so tired. Some of the shows were okay, but it seemd so tired.

[GypsySorcerer]

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[gldstwmn]

Tango-Shakin The Cage :shocked:

[strandinthewind]

Tango-Shakin The Cage :shocked:

It is next on my list. La Nicks was trying to recover and her voice, while sometimes good, was horrifying when she went high. CM phoned in her performances and, though I like them, Billy and Rick just did not fit in - though and again, they are great players. Plus, that was the advent of the 48,000 back up musicians, which aggravated me as it was also the beginning of vocal laziness by all.

In the end, I think the FM FM tour will win because they were all so young. Mirage should win, but La Nicks' voice was so rough on that it was frightening at times.

[AliceLover]

.............

[WelshWitchPMD]

Let's try this again.

[face of glass]

Easy to go with the majority here.

[macfan 57]

Behind The Mask. Stevie looked comatose on this tour. The highlight for me was Christine's terrific piano solo during "Stop Messin' Around".

[ontheEdgeof17]

Behind The Mask Tour.


This post is almost as boring as the tour. Almost.

[chiliD]

Are you kidding me? The Behind The Mask tour was great.

The Dance tour was a real ZZZzzzzZZZZ'er. And, no song included in the set from prior to 1975?!? (namely: no "Oh Well") Wassup with that? They should be ashamed of themselves...but, how do you get a narcissistic spoiled brat egomaniac who feigns the shy, humble routine to think of anybody but himself? The who reunion may have been financially rewarding, but it broke my heart because I knew it was the WORST thing Fleetwood Mac could've done. It may have been one small step in getting new fans, but one GIANT LEAP backwards in the legacy of Fleetwood Mac.

...Billy and Rick just did not fit in

Au contraire! I think that's a cop-out statement...the problem was that Billy & Rick DID fit in...VERY nicely, too...and that's what scared all the Buckinham fans...he WAS replaceable...and they just couldn't handle it. So, Rick & Billy get the condecending back-handed compliments..."Oh, they're good players, but they don't fit"...that's crap. They fit, TOO good, actually.

Plus, that was the advent of the 48,000 back up musicians,

What backup musicians? Ok, Isaac Assante played the miscellaneous percussion...Stevie brought "the girls"...other than that, it was just Mick, John, Chris, Billy & Rick. The Dance was the one where they first brought the orchestra.

Easy to go with the majority here.

Lemming. :laugh:

[David]

Started out good in Australia & the first month or two in the United States. Interesting songs in the set, too, like When the Sun Goes Down, Stand on the Rock & Save Me. But it wasn't long before enervation set in. The penultimate night of the tour, in Oakland, was as boring, logy & exhausting as the previous year's Stevie Nicks concert in Mountain View. But the Stevie Nicks concert had the virtue of being about 45 minutes shorter, so we could all go home quicker.

[Hippocampus]

The song selection was interesting though.

[msLinds]

:wavey:




Life is what happens when your busy
making other plans.

[Neal]

The Dance :sorry:

[HomerMcvie]

I thought Stevie's girls were out of place. Then, again, somebody had to hit all her high notes.... :lol:

[strandinthewind]

I thought Stevie's girls were out of place. Then, again, somebody had to hit all her high notes.... :lol:

or all of their high notes :eek: Then again, CM never really had any high notes :wavey: :wavey: :p :p

The Dance was such an event - I think it was such a harmonious thing to see the five together again. I think La Nicks stole the show with that rendition of GDW, SS, and Landslide, but others will differ in opinion. Sadly, LB's screaming was the hardest thing for me to take on that tour. It will be interesting to see where The Dance lands and if it places very low will it be because the people who think Stevie shined, but do not like her, wish to make a point.

Oh - survivor games :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Behind the Mask was incredible.

[Dark Angel]

I loved seeing the Rumours lineup back together, but from what I've seen and heard, it just seemed so repetitive and boring. :sorry:

[face of glass]

Au contraire! I think that's a cop-out statement...the problem was that Billy & Rick DID fit in...VERY nicely, too...and that's what scared all the Buckinham fans...he WAS replaceable...and they just couldn't handle it.
Even Rick Vito himself said in his Q&A that you can't really replace anyone. This is what he said when he was asked of what he thought about following up Lindsey Buckingham:
I've found that you can't really "live up to" anyone. You can only be yourself, and that's what I tried to do in the Mac.
Maybe Rick and Billy were capable of "replacing" Lindsey on stage (although I'd still rather speak of them being just themselves), after all, with a successful album under their belts Fleetwood Mac could have gone on stage with just about any professional guitar player and they still would have gotten a positive response from the tour. But in studio they couldn't replace Lindsey, after all Behind The Mask was a relative flop in the USA and at that point the public backlash against the members of Fleetwood Mac hadn't yet begun (Stevie's Timespace, released in 1991, still sold in significant numbers, etc.)
So, Rick & Billy get the condecending back-handed compliments..."Oh, they're good players, but they don't fit"...that's crap. They fit, TOO good, actually.
In my opinion they are both professional players with a lot of musical skill. And I agree with SteveMacD who has often said that Rick is the best guitar player Fleetwood Mac has ever had, technically.

But then a band could be made of the finest musicians in the world, and it still may not necessarily work in the best way possible. After all, the players' limitations and quirks may not always fit together. But when they do, it doesn't matter how limited a player is; it's the band chemistry in work that makes a band successful, and I don't just mean financial success here.

After all, even Christine herself admitted in her 1995 AOL chat that Lindsey is in terms of chemistry the most appropriate guitar player for the incarnations of Fleetwood Mac that she's been in.
What backup musicians? Ok, Isaac Assante played the miscellaneous percussion...Stevie brought "the girls"...other than that, it was just Mick, John, Chris, Billy & Rick. The Dance was the one where they first brought the orchestra.
That reminds me of a post (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=164880&postcount=11) that David wrote:
Oddly, neither of them was able to evolve in any noticeable way in a live setting: e.g., compare Rick's playing of The Chain at the Capital Centre in October 1987 with Las Vegas in June 1990, & you'll hear virtually no difference in the riffs, the tempo, the attack or the general tone. This may have been the fault of the band in general, however. I call the 1987 tour the Digital Tour because everything went digital, & that gave a clinical dullness to the instrumentation (Mick's drums had never before sounded so bloodless & Christine's quirky keyboard presence was blunted) & the vocals, particularly the backup women. Speaking of which, there were the backup players. Oy gevalt. That was the year they all trouped out onstage for the duration of the concert -- one of the most unfortunate decisions the band's ever made, as far as I'm concerned. It was the tour that Fleetwood Mac got perilously closer to your worst MOR nightmare than it had ever been before.
A real band to me is a living, breathing organism that changes its arrangements and improvizes and feeds off from it's members constantly. I think of Fleetwood Mac on the Tusk tour as one of the ultimate peaks of this ideology (and add the Mirage tour as a continuation of that, if you will). I agree with David's statement, in that Rick and Billy didn't really evolve in the live setting of the band, even though they toured with it for a relatively long time. So clearly the chemistry that existed between the Rumours line-up was nowhere to be found after Lindsey left. Maybe that's what people mean by saying "Rick and Billy didn't fit in". The TITN tour/BTM line-up just played the songs professionally in a similar way every night and that was that, there was no real interest to see what the band could achieve in a live setting. And that's why there's no real dissimilarity between the TITN/BTM tour line-up and the line-ups for the Dance and SYW tours, in my opinion.

[AliceLover]

Behind the Mask was incredible.

Agreed!!!!!

[Serrart]

Quite uninteresting to me.

Romy

[AliceLover]

Behind The Mask. Stevie looked comatose on this tour. The highlight for me was Christine's terrific piano solo during "Stop Messin' Around".

You should be ashamed of yourself being the huge christine fan that you are. This was her best tour. She was high in spriits and sounded great.

[AliceLover]

Started out good in Australia & the first month or two in the United States. Interesting songs in the set, too, like When the Sun Goes Down, Stand on the Rock & Save Me. But it wasn't long before enervation set in. The penultimate night of the tour, in Oakland, was as boring, logy & exhausting as the previous year's Stevie Nicks concert in Mountain View. But the Stevie Nicks concert had the virtue of being about 45 minutes shorter, so we could all go home quicker.

The beginning of this tour was soooo much better than the end. Stevie gained so much weight, the mini skirt was put away, and she stood there. But nevertheless I still love it. Christine actually moved around the stage quite a bit.

[77Rumours77]

Round 3 sees that Behind The Mask got the most votes. This round saw a bit more diverse votes though.

Behind The Mask Tour, The votes have spoken. Please leave!

Behind The Mask Tour - 11
Dance Tour - 4
Tango Tour - 2
Tusk Tour - 1

Behind The Mask -
Golden Braid
strandinthewind
GypsySorcerer
WelshWitchPMD
face of glass
macfan 57
ontheEdgeof17
David
Hippocampus
msLinds
Serrart
Dance Tour -
chiliD
Neal
HomerMcvie
Dark Angel
Tango In The Night Tour -
gldstwmn
jbrownsjr
Tusk Tour -
AliceLover

Remaning Contestants -
White Album Tour
Rumours Tour
Tusk Tour
Mirage Tour
Tango In The Night Tour (Shakin')
Dance Tour

Voted Off -
Time Tour
Say You Will Tour
Behind The Mask

IMMUNITY!
(First one to answer the question correctly gets to pick who gets saved for the next round)
On which song from The Wild Heart album did Mick Fleetwood play drums?

[ontheEdgeof17]

Behind The Mask

IMMUNITY!
(First one to answer the question correctly gets to pick who gets saved for the next round)
On which song from The Wild Heart album did Mick Fleetwood play drums?


Sable on Blond

Tusk Tour immune

[chiliD]

No "Oh Well"?? Then you gotta go. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

The beginning of the end.... :shocked:

[face of glass]

A good tour with well-done double-nostalgia for both the blues and Rumours eras, albeit the tour video still isn't much to talk about (in spite of a few highlights). However, I think I explained my case well enough above.

[macfan 57]

It's very close with me between the Tango tour & the Dance tour. I'll go with the Dance tour. The Tango tour had a better set list. I LOVED "Brown Eyes" & "HAEWAFY". The Dance was still special for me(in a nostalgic way) because that's the last Fleetwood Mac tour I'll ever see in person.

[ryan8472]

The Dance 10 characters....

[SteveMacD]

The Dance.

[GypsySorcerer]

Not quite ready for The Dance to go.

[dissention]

A really, really bad tour. Christine was the only thing I liked about it, the rest was dull as dishwater. Not a fan of Rick and Billy, they just don't do anything for me, and the "band" had a very soft, clinical sound. That tour exemplifies the word boring.

[sodascouts]

Two words: No Lindsey.

[chiliD]

Two words: No Lindsey.

Exactly how I wished Fleetwood Mac would've stayed...with "no Lindsey". :cool:

[dissention]

Exactly how I wished Fleetwood Mac would've stayed...with "no Lindsey". :cool:

Exactly how I feel about Rick and Billy. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I thought they all sounded comparatively bad on this one - though I liked the show I attended.

[golden braid]

Two words: No Lindsey.
Agreed. :nod:

[chiliD]

Exactly how I feel about Rick and Billy. :laugh:

I'm taking the source into consideration. :shrug:

[Hippocampus]

"__________________"

[msLinds]

:wavey:




Life is what happens when your busy
making other plans.

[77Rumours77]

Well I am going to vote of Tango, :sorry:

[Dark Angel]

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[dissention]

I'm taking the source into consideration. :shrug:

Meh, I just find them boring within Fleetwood Mac. I haven't heard any of their solo work, so I'm not judging them based on any of that, just what I saw and heard in the Mac. They did nothing to "grab" me and came across as dull. The band became quite bland when they joined, imo.

[jbrownsjr]

BTM was explosive as a tour (at least in Cleveland)

but Tango was a big let down for me

Christine and Billy sounded great but Stevie was harsh that night. Rick was still finding his way.

[skcin]

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[chiliD]

Rick was still finding his way.

Just listen to those 1987/88 live versions of "I Loved Another Woman" & "Rattlesnake Shake"...he found his way in a hurry.

[strandinthewind]

Just listen to those 1987/88 live versions of "I Loved Another Woman" & "Rattlesnake Shake"...he found his way in a hurry.


I agree and I liked him on that tour. It is just that La Nicks and CM were not that great on that tour - though they, too, had their moments.

[Serrart]

Great versions of Little Lies and Seven Wonders though.

Romy

[Neal]

The Dance tour.

[77Rumours77]

Great versions of Little Lies and Seven Wonders though.

Romy

O no,
Something about Little Lies live on that tour really didnt go over well with me. There seemed to be a back up singer who what a voice that just stuck out. And, to me, it was like nails on a chalkboard.

[Serrart]

O no,
Something about Little Lies live on that tour really didnt go over well with me. There seemed to be a back up singer who what a voice that just stuck out. And, to me, it was like nails on a chalkboard.

I didn't notice, really. I loved the song live and how Stevie and Christine harmonized on it.

Romy

[StevieNicksEO17]

The Dance can't go yet!

[chiliD]

There seemed to be a back up singer who what a voice that just stuck out. And, to me, it was like nails on a chalkboard.

Blame the sound engineer, not the singer. :nod:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Love the setlist, but the vocals leave much to be desired.

[jbrownsjr]

Just listen to those 1987/88 live versions of "I Loved Another Woman" & "Rattlesnake Shake"...he found his way in a hurry.


OH yeah the real stuff he was dynomite. The LB pop stuff was difficult for him. Almost too easy for him.

[David]

OH yeah the real stuff he was dynomite. The LB pop stuff was difficult for him. Almost too easy for him.And don't neglect Rick's vocals on "Another Woman" The guy has quite a nice singing voice on those old blues -- plaintive, tasteful, firm, moist & tender, with a nutty fragrant bouquet with just a hint of plum.

[Richard B]

Shaking The Cage was better.

[David]

Shaking The Cage was better.Richard, I really love your posts.

but weren't the two tours extremely similar musically? I mean, if I grabbed a random sound file from 1990 of "The Chain" or "Little Lies" or "Don't Stop" or "Go Your Own Way" & another random sound file from 1987 of the same song or songs & played it for everyone here, who would be able to tell the difference (except by a lucky guess)?

The Chain '87 sounds like The Chain '90. Little Lies '87 sounds like Little Lies '90 (although the former might have been slightly cleaner). Don't Stop '87 sounds like Don't Stop '90. Go Your Own Way '87 sounds like Go Your Own Way '90.

The only reason I can really choose the '87 tour over the '90 tour is that Stevie's stately lethargy was brand new in '87 & therefore left a more memorable impression on me. By 1990, I knew exactly what was going to happen on that stage up there at Cal Expo, in terms of what the band would look & sound like.

[gldstwmn]

Are you kidding me? The Behind The Mask tour was great.


I agree. At that point they seemed much more cohesive than on the TITN Tour. It wasn't really their fault though.

[gldstwmn]

Christine and Billy sounded great but Stevie was harsh that night.

It was also the begining of the wig era. :o

[gldstwmn]

So again, I vote for Tango. :wavey:

[77Rumours77]

Round 4 sees that Tango In The Night Tour got the most votes. This round saw a bit more diverse votes though.

TITNT, The votes have spoken. Please leave!

Tango Tour -14
Dance Tour - 7

The Dance -
chiliD
HomerMcvie
macfan 57
ryan8472
SteveMacD
Hippocampus
Dark Angel
Neal
Tango In The Night -
face of glass
GypsySorcerer
dissention
sodascouts
strandinthewind
golden braid
msLinds
77Rumours77
jbrownsjr
skcin
Serrart
StevieNicksEO17
ontheEdgeof17
gldstwmn

Voted Off -
Time Tour
Say You Will Tour
Behind The Mask
Tango In The Night Tour