Fleetwood Mac Tour Survivor! ('75-'05). Rounds 1 and 2

[77Rumours77]

Yes!
Jacob is back with a new survivor!
OK, there is 1 small thing. Some night I will not be able to run this game due to my work schedule (This is mainly the reason I havent been doing this game for the past year). So if someone could pick up the slack for me when I am at work I would much appreciate it! Just PM me (Based on first come first serve)

OK now that I have all that cleared up, Lets start the game.

Welcome to Fleetwood Mac Tour Survivor! 1975-2005.
Voting will end everyday at 10 PM (CTS) (Voting for today (Aug 13) will end tomorrow at 10)
Voting will close at 9 O clock (CTS) Votes after 9 will not be accepted. This gives time to tally votes and check for errors!

The Contestants...
White Album Tour
Rumors Tour
Tusk Tour
Mirage Tour
Tango In The Night Tour (This includes Shakin' The Cage)
Behind The Mask Tour
Time Tour
Dance Tour
Say You Will Tour

All votes are final.
Immunity will be givin starting in round 3.
OK,
Let the games begin and have fun!

[strandinthewind]

Liked Bekka and the others. But, no CM, SN, or LB is not FM to me - though the Time line up was good - no doubt about that.

[HomerMcvie]

A day without Christine, is like a day without sunshine. And Bekka was great, sooooo......

[strandinthewind]

A day without Christine, is like a day without sunshine. And Bekka was great, sooooo......

More than the Time tour, which she did not do :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

More than the Time tour, which she did not do :shrug:
I'm aware. FM was always about REinventing itself, and the Time lineup was good, but was never given the chance to blossom. Reinvention stopped after old what's her name. I mean Mick seemed to want to try with Time, but backpeddled. I think Bekka's one of the best singers FM ever had.
AND, I voted SYW because neither one of them can hit any high notes anymore, and that's a turnoff, man....

[DavidMn]

Say You Will without question. I am still amazed to this day at how at all of the shows I saw on that tour, not one night did they mail it in :)

[DavidMn]

The Dance is up there for me too, because I got a chance to see the incomparable Christine McVie 5 times.

[Dark Angel]

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[ontheEdgeof17]

.....just because I've never heard a complete boot and I'm a Chiffonhead. I do love me some Bekka, though.

[ryan8472]

The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your post to at least 10 characters. :rolleyes: :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

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[David]

Out with the Say You Will tour, please.

[WelshWitchPMD]

I have to say that I skipped that one.

[David]

I have to say that I skipped that one.I love the way Mick & John play, so I saw two shows on that tour at the same venue, a year apart. The low-tech quality of the show enabled me to really enjoy the actual sound of my favorite rhythm section, unlike the later FM tours, whose excessive hardware & arrangements buried their deftness in aural devil's food cake.

[face of glass]

I'm basing this on bootlegs, although I haven't heard anything but snatches from the Time tour bootlegs. So I'm voting off the Say You Will tour, even though it remains the only tour when I've actually seen them.

[David]

I'm basing this on bootlegs, although I haven't heard anything but snatches from the Time tour bootlegs.The Time tour wasn't exactly an artistic watershed. But it was a nice, cozy, low-key affair that was akin to hearing a clean, professional cover band in close proximity playing Fleetwood Mac material. It was more Zoo-like than any other Mac tour, & I have good memories from it. It was also, by far, the easiest opportunity to hang out with Mick & John & just chat with them, for those who like that sort of thing.
So I'm voting off the Say You Will tour, even though it remains the only tour when I've actually seen them.I'm not sure what that says about you, Gaius, but it couldn't be good! :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Say You Will tour. Too many extra musicians, without having Christine McVie (like on "The Dance").

[face of glass]

I'm not sure what that says about you, Gaius, but it couldn't be good! :laugh:
Basically I got burned out watching the whole thing go on in 2003 and 2004; very little setlist changes, same speeches every night from Mr. Pretentiousness and same solos a 100+ times all over. Of course, had the Internet existed for all the public in 1987 and had I been a fan then, I might have had the same feelings about the Shakin' The Cage tour too. But right now I'd rather hear another version of Vito doing "Another Woman" than Buckingham playing the "Come" solo to the same effect for the nth time.

[GypsySorcerer]

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[HomerMcvie]

Say You Will tour. Too many extra musicians, without having Christine McVie (like on "The Dance").
No kidding! It took TEN musicians to take her place! :D

[HejiraNYC]

Dave Mason? Bekka Bramlett? What the f*ck were they thinking? An absolute blight on the FM legacy that should be put in its place- the nearest rubbish bin.

[Hippocampus]

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[Hippocampus]

Dave Mason? Bekka Bramlett? What the f*ck were they thinking? An absolute blight on the FM legacy that should be put in its place- the nearest rubbish bin.

Heh... I think you're in for a round of abuse ;)

[David]

Heh... I think you're in for a round of abuse ;)Neh. It doesn't matter, & I would hope most people are tired of that particular war. People will like what they like, & hate what they hate -- & if that doesn't pass for profundity in Lower Possomtrot, I'll eat my hat!

I just wish the people who impale Bekka or Dave or other unpopular members of Fleetwood Mac on their verbal pikes didn't often turn around & yell at others who do the same thing to Stevie or Lindsey or Christine or Peter. It's the double standard that wears one down.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with saying that one of the Macsters belongs in the rubbish bin -- but don't cry when somebody else says the same thing about your beloved favorite. If you dish it out, learn to take it in equal measure. If you've ever posted anything insulting about any member of the band, you're really in no position to criticize someone else for doing so.

[Serrart]

I have nothing about Bekka or Dave or different FM incarnations (yes, even without Stevie), but to hear a boot form this tour was like visiting a dismissed ghost house. The mood was scarily depressing, IMO.

Romy

[msLinds]

:wavey:



Its important to remember that nobody falls
into a simple set of labels.

[michelle2677]

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[golden braid]

That was easy.

[Hippocampus]

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with saying that one of the Macsters belongs in the rubbish bin -- but don't cry when somebody else says the same thing about your beloved favorite. If you dish it out, learn to take it in equal measure. If you've ever posted anything insulting about any member of the band, you're really in no position to criticize someone else for doing so.


I commend you for your words of wisdom which might yet stave off retaliatory and devastating bombardments. My scales are gleaming in appreciation.

Then again feuds and flames are the most entertaining to read. Please take into consideration the deletion of your post.

[macfan 57]

Say You Will tour

See Homer & Steve's previous posts. ;)

[Nightbird17]

Goodbye baby

[strandinthewind]

. . . I think Bekka's one of the best singers FM ever had.

Most def. But, she must be seen in comparison to CM and La Nicks and IMO she is the third there, though I LOVED Bekka's voice.


AND, I voted SYW because neither one of them can hit any high notes anymore, and that's a turnoff, man....

I agree it was a turn off. But, I thought her rendition of Beautiful Child was hainting nonetheless and the two together on SG was one of the prettiest things I have ever seen or heard. In the end, I think SYW will go soon because of that and, more, importantly, because CM was not on that tour and I do not care if they had 40 backing musicians, her absence was glaring to me, though for what it was, it was a good show.

[strandinthewind]

No kidding! It took TEN musicians to take her place! :D


BWWHHAAAAAA :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: take that LB :laugh:

most were there on The Dance

[HejiraNYC]

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with saying that one of the Macsters belongs in the rubbish bin -- but don't cry when somebody else says the same thing about your beloved favorite. If you dish it out, learn to take it in equal measure. If you've ever posted anything insulting about any member of the band, you're really in no position to criticize someone else for doing so.

Thanks for sharing, David; I totally agree. :nod: And I am not into personal attacks of any current or past FM members either. And in that spirit, I am sure Bekka Bramlett is a wonderful, caring person who is lots of fun to be around as well. And I don't fault her for joining FM; I would have done the same thing if I had the chance, regardless of whether I had any talent or not. But to my ears, I find her voice to be about as pleasant as nails on a chalkboard. And when that same voice is used to thrash Stevie's songs on tour... :eek: that's just not acceptable.

[HomerMcvie]

In the end, I think SYW will go soon because of that and, more, importantly, because CM was not on that tour and I do not care if they had 40 backing musicians, her absence was glaring to me, though for what it was, it was a good show.
For what it was.......I've not watched my SYW LIB TWICE yet. No Christine. No high notes. TOOOO many musicians. Same old in between song banter.
ZZZzzzzzzz..... :p

[StevieNicksEO17]

Definitely the Time tour!

[Hawkeye]

For what it was.......I've not watched my SYW LIB TWICE yet. No Christine. No high notes. TOOOO many musicians. Same old in between song banter.
ZZZzzzzzzz..... :p

Ive watched LIB over 20 times since it was released.

[David]

Ive watched LIB over 20 times since it was released.I watched it once, on PBS. I couldn't figure out the plot.

[SteveMacD]

Dave Mason? Bekka Bramlett? What the f*ck were they thinking?
Well, Dave Mason IS in the Hall of Fame (as a member of Traffic), and Bekka is one of the more sought after vocalists for many artists. Even Lindsey thought the incarnation had potential, so it wasn't that bad of an idea. FWIW, the "Time" tours (actually, pre-"Time" tours, to be more accurate, since they never toured behind the album) had the fewest musicians of any post-Mirage tour. And, the tickets were affordable!

[SteveMacD]

But to my ears, I find her voice to be about as pleasant as nails on a chalkboard. And when that same voice is used to thrash Stevie's songs on tour... :eek: that's just not acceptable.
The first time I saw Stevie live was in 1990. I was very disappointed in her performance. She looked and sounded like she was going to fall asleep, and she looked like hell. (We know why now, but at the time it was pretty off-putting, and I wasn't all that disappointed that she left.) So when Bekka joined, I felt she added new energy to the set. The only Stevie song that I ever saw her do was "Gold Dust Woman," and I guess my attitude is that if Hole can do the song, why not Bekka? Plus, I actually liked the new arrangement. It was SOOO refreshing, after the 87-90 versions. Actually, I would much rather she and Billy do a song like "Angel" or "I Don't Want To Know," but I would have been MORE offended if they didn't do ANY Stevie songs. It would be like she was never in the band.

[golddustwoman77]

I personally saw this tour, and all I can say it is by far the worst tour on the list.

[AliceLover]

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[77Rumours77]

Voting Has Now Closed

[77Rumours77]

Round 1.
Christine McVie showed a lot of power in this round, Seems like there is no tour W/o Christine.
all in all round one saw the Time Tour tour get most of the votes.
Time Tour, The voters have spoken, Please leave the tribal counsel area.

Time Tour 16
Say You Will 6
Behind The Mask 1


Time Tour -
strandinthewind
Dark Angel
ontheEdgeof1
Ryan8472
WelshWitchPMD
GypsySorcerer
HejiraNYC
Hippocampus
Serrart
msLinds
michelle2677
golden braid
Nightbird17
StevieNicksEO17
golddustwoman77
AliceLover
Say You Will -
HomerMcvie
DavidMn
David
face of glass
SteveMacD
macfan 57
Behind The Mask -
Hawkeye


Remaning Contestants - - - -

White Album Tour
Rumors Tour
Tusk Tour
Mirage Tour
Tango In The Night Tour (This includes Shakin' The Cage)
Behind The Mask Tour
Dance Tour
Say You Will Tour

Voting Is Now Open

[HomerMcvie]

Lessee, out of the remaIning contestants, I choose the Say You Won't orchestra.
Lindsey, LESS is sometimes better.

[face of glass]

Just got tired of it, 's all. :shrug:

[ryan8472]

Say You Will

I loved this tour, and it was my first, but it's inevitable that it will be gone, so let's get rid of it now. Besides, the one I really want gone will most likely leave in the next one or two rounds anyways.

[macfan 57]

Say You Will tour, for the obvious reason.

[ontheEdgeof17]

After 130+ shows, the Say You Will Tour needs to retire.

[HejiraNYC]

Well, Dave Mason IS in the Hall of Fame (as a member of Traffic), and Bekka is one of the more sought after vocalists for many artists. Even Lindsey thought the incarnation had potential, so it wasn't that bad of an idea. FWIW, the "Time" tours (actually, pre-"Time" tours, to be more accurate, since they never toured behind the album) had the fewest musicians of any post-Mirage tour. And, the tickets were affordable!

Since when did induction into the RnR Hall of Fame equate to being any good? Dave Mason should thank his lucky stars for Steve Winwood and for his opportunity to ride his coattails to infamy. "Blow by Blow" is quite simply the most embarassing thing FM or any other band has ever released.

And since when did Bekka become "one of the more sought after vocalists?" By whom?? After bombing out with "Time" and a couple of commercial bombs in country music, she has basically withdrawn into obscurity. Somehow I don't think that quite reaches the realm of "sought after."

And since when did Lindsey have anything good to say about this lineup? If anything, "The Dance" reunion was a backlash against the beating the FM legacy took because of "Time;" he basically wanted to reclaim the FM brand from the dumpster.

The tickets were affordable because... get this... there was no demand! When you are opening up for REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar, you are not exactly rock n' roll A-list material. Again, let's try to forget about this unfortunate period in the life of an amazing band.

[HejiraNYC]

The first time I saw Stevie live was in 1990. I was very disappointed in her performance. She looked and sounded like she was going to fall asleep, and she looked like hell. (We know why now, but at the time it was pretty off-putting, and I wasn't all that disappointed that she left.) So when Bekka joined, I felt she added new energy to the set. The only Stevie song that I ever saw her do was "Gold Dust Woman," and I guess my attitude is that if Hole can do the song, why not Bekka? Plus, I actually liked the new arrangement. It was SOOO refreshing, after the 87-90 versions. Actually, I would much rather she and Billy do a song like "Angel" or "I Don't Want To Know," but I would have been MORE offended if they didn't do ANY Stevie songs. It would be like she was never in the band.


Please don't ever compare Hole/Courtney Love to Bekka; they are just in totally different leagues. Personal issues aside, Courtney Love is/was an amazingly talented songwriter and musician who definitely does things on her own terms- definitely a maverick in a lot of ways. Accordingly I thought her cover of GDW was brilliant. Bekka's cover? Bleccch... But to Bekka's credit, I don't think her cover of GDW was any worse than the Corr's cover of "Dreams." :eek:

[face of glass]

And since when did Lindsey have anything good to say about this lineup?
SteveMacD said that "Lindsey thought the incarnation had potential"; this is the only quote I've found where he suggests that. Don't know where it's taken from, though, because I took it from SteveMacD's post at the Post-Rumours board.
I didn't put too much into it because the music was already becoming more generic. When I heard that Dave Mason was joining my initial reaction was, "Oh, that could be good!" But apparently, it wasn't. (Laughs) Then when I heard that they were doing this nostalgia package tour with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benetar, I was like, "What happened?"
Keep in mind, that Lindsey has spoken of Dave Mason being an influence on him. In the 2003 Guitar Player article, when he was asked of his main lead guitar influences, he said the following:
I can't say it was one person. I used to love Led Zeppelin, but I never sat around trying to learn Jimmy Page licks. In terms of developing a sense of melody, I was helped along by Dave Mason's Alone Together -a wonderful album with a very pretty kind of lead-guitar style. But I never thought of myself as someone who was going to go out there and burn it up. In fact, the lead stuff came very late for me.

[jbrownsjr]

Give me one more chance

[HomerMcvie]

What's with all the Bekka hate? :shrug: She could mop the floor with you know who, TALENT wise. No, she doesn't have the following of old what's her name, but she's most definitely got the talent. And as far as her country albums being commercial flops, have you heard the dreck that country radio plays now? POP garbage, and the majority of artists have about a two album career. Flavor of the month.
Craptacular.

[AliceLover]

I like Rumours and Mirage tours better. :)

[HejiraNYC]

What's with all the Bekka hate? :shrug: She could mop the floor with you know who, TALENT wise. No, she doesn't have the following of old what's her name, but she's most definitely got the talent. And as far as her country albums being commercial flops, have you heard the dreck that country radio plays now? POP garbage, and the majority of artists have about a two album career. Flavor of the month.
Craptacular.

And Celine Dion could mop the floor with Bekka in terms of sheer vocal talent. But that doesn't mean that Celine's music is any good. In fact, it just plain sucks. And although it is purely a matter of preference- chocolate vs. vanilla - I would much rather hear Stevie's raspy bleats than Bekka's chirpy, NONDESCRIPT oversinging. Beyond pure vocal range, Stevie has one talent that is undeniable- her ability to connect emotionally with her audience- with her words, her voice, her aura, etc. That is one area that both Celine and Bekka will never come close to Stevie.

[Dark Angel]

I loved Lindsey on this tour, but I really missed Christine. :(

[chiliD]

Please don't ever compare Hole/Courtney Love to Bekka; they are just in totally different leagues. Personal issues aside, Courtney Love is/was an amazingly talented songwriter and musician who definitely does things on her own terms- definitely a maverick in a lot of ways. Accordingly I thought her cover of GDW was brilliant. Bekka's cover? Bleccch... But to Bekka's credit, I don't think her cover of GDW was any worse than the Corr's cover of "Dreams." :eek:


Don't EVEN get me started on how much talent the bacteria in my big toenail has compared to the husband-killing, child-abusing, talentless shrew, Courtney Love.

[Hippocampus]

Going with the crowd.

[dissention]

And Celine Dion could mop the floor with Bekka in terms of sheer vocal talent. But that doesn't mean that Celine's music is any good. In fact, it just plain sucks. And although it is purely a matter of preference- chocolate vs. vanilla - I would much rather hear Stevie's raspy bleats than Bekka's chirpy, NONDESCRIPT oversinging. Beyond pure vocal range, Stevie has one talent that is undeniable- her ability to connect emotionally with her audience- with her words, her voice, her aura, etc. That is one area that both Celine and Bekka will never come close to Stevie.

Hillary is gonna beat a bitches ass. :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Hillary is gonna beat a bitches ass. :laugh:

OMG i just spilled coffee in my crotch!!! :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

Though Lindsey really shone. :wavey:

[golddustwoman77]

I'm sorry but I feel like Behind the Mask tour pales in comparison to the Say You Will tour.

[strandinthewind]

I'm sorry but I feel like Behind the Mask tour pales in comparison to the Say You Will tour.

I agree :) :)

[sparky]

Is there anywhere out there that a Time tour version of GDW is posted ?
I have yet to hear it.

[Serrart]

I loved Say You Will Tour. Stevie sang Beatiful Child Live, and Lindsey Red Rover Live. It had many great moments. Can't really vote for it yet.

Romy

[WelshWitchPMD]

Not a fave of mine.

[chiliD]

Is there anywhere out there that a Time tour version of GDW is posted ?
I have yet to hear it.

There's a clip on Bekka's own site:

Bekka Bramlett: Audio/Video clips (http://www.bekka-bramlett.com/html/av.html)

[SteveMacD]

Say You Will tour

[golden braid]

I love Christine but I love Lindsey more so I prefer the Say You Will tour.

[SteveMacD]

Since when did induction into the RnR Hall of Fame equate to being any good? Dave Mason should thank his lucky stars for Steve Winwood and for his opportunity to ride his coattails to infamy. "Blow by Blow" is quite simply the most embarassing thing FM or any other band has ever released.
I won't disagree that "Blow By Blow" is bad. I have all of Dave's solo albums and Traffic albums, and I thought his two contributions to "Time" were some of his weakest yet. I'd hardly measure his career by his two Fleetwood Mac songs. Yeah, this guy road Winwood's coattails in the beginning. But, he more than proved himself. A song like "Feelin' Alright" is a still a rock standard.
And since when did Bekka become "one of the more sought after vocalists?" By whom?? After bombing out with "Time" and a couple of commercial bombs in country music, she has basically withdrawn into obscurity. Somehow I don't think that quite reaches the realm of "sought after."
Yeah, that's why she's spending her time touring with Billy Joel and Faith Hill. That's why she's been writing for Faith Hill.
And since when did Lindsey have anything good to say about this lineup? If anything, "The Dance" reunion was a backlash against the beating the FM legacy took because of "Time;" he basically wanted to reclaim the FM brand from the dumpster.
It's easy to find quotes where he thought it would have had potential. Hell, look for interviews around "The Dance." Anyway, it wasn't exactly like his career was going anywhere, either at the time. I love how he forgets to mention that he was Tina Turner's opening act in 1993. That's a far cry from his glory days, and he was a singer/songwriter. At least Mick and John have the excuse that they don't sing.
The tickets were affordable because... get this... there was no demand! When you are opening up for REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar, you are not exactly rock n' roll A-list material. Again, let's try to forget about this unfortunate period in the life of an amazing band.
LOL. Like there was demand for ANY of them. "Time," "Street Angel," and "Out Of The Cradle" combined sold less than half a million.

[SteveMacD]

Please don't ever compare Hole/Courtney Love to Bekka; they are just in totally different leagues.
Yeah, Bekka doesn't embarass herself in public. I HATED Hole's version, because it was too much like the "Rumours" version. At least the "Time" band changed things around a bit, and it sounded like a new song altogether.
Personal issues aside, Courtney Love is/was an amazingly talented songwriter and musician who definitely does things on her own terms- definitely a maverick in a lot of ways.
Again, I wasn't impressed by her ability to redo a classic song. ANY cover band could have done what Hole did. At least the "Time" band put some thought into how the song could be different. Anyway, I always felt bad for Bekka. Here's a girl who was never going to be judged on her own talent. She was either going to be compared to Stevie, Christine, or her own mother.

[HomerMcvie]

Don't EVEN get me started on how much talent the bacteria in my big toenail has compared to the husband-killing, child-abusing, talentless shrew, Courtney Love.
:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo: ;) :thumbsup:

[77Rumours77]

Well I am going to vote, LOL!

Say You Will Tour

[David]

Anyway, I always felt bad for Bekka. Here's a girl who was never going to be judged on her own talent. She was either going to be compared to Stevie, Christine, or her own mother.Plus, didn't you get a woody for her when you saw the Zoo play Arsenio Hall?

[strandinthewind]

Plus, didn't you get a woody for her when you saw the Zoo play Arsenio Hall?


I thought she was hot in an earthy way, which was suitable for the time of Time. But, as mentioned, she had no chance on her own talent, esp. when I think FM never gave her a chance to shine, which I think she could have. But and to be fair, she had little commercial success before and has had little since. But, commercial success is not everything, but it is something in that to make records on a large scale, you have to be popular enough to make the machine money. Who knows, maybe she did not want commercial success - some do not and I respect that.

[77Rumours77]

Round 2.
It seem this round say quite a bit of the same comments as last night, Fleetwood Mac isn't FM w/o Christine, anlso It look like it isnt FM with 10 other back up musicians. So in round 2 We say the B]Say You Will[/B] tour get most of the votes.
Say You Will Tour, The voters have spoken, Please leave the tribal counsel area.

Say You Will - 12
Behind The Mask - 5
Tusk - 1

Say You Will -
Homer Mcvie
flace of glass
Ryan8427
macfan 57
ontheEdgeof17
jbrownsjr
Dark Angel
chiliD
Hippocampus
GypsySorcerer
SteveMacD
77Rumours77
Tusk Tour -
AliceLover
Behind The Mack Tour -
golddustwoman77
strandinthewind
Serrart
WelshWitchPMD
golden braid

Remaning Contestants - - - -

White Album Tour
Rumors Tour
Tusk Tour
Mirage Tour
Tango In The Night Tour (This includes Shakin' The Cage)
Behind The Mask Tour
Dance Tour

ATTN: Looking for somone to run the game for tomorrow (Tuesday 8/16) Please PM me ASAP!