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ontheEdgeof17
10-08-2005, 03:31 AM
My girl crush:

http://www.derpreisistheiss.de/images/content/shows/wi/USA_Kelly-Clarkson.jpg

My boy crush:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/fantastic_four/chris_evans/fantastic3.jpg

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 04:18 AM
I know, I know. You must say crazy things when it's past your bedtime... :)

Guess so. :o

GateandGarden
10-08-2005, 09:46 AM
Cilla still looks great to me...the only thing that I might would change is her hair color. Her skin is very very light and the eggplant type hair color doesn't mix well with her complextion.

For example...these photos are recent but back before she died her hair the red color...I like the blond better!

<img src="http://www.simplymisty.com/simplycilla/gallery/albums/2000/windtalkers-premiere%20june%2011%202002/priscillap_grani_498498_400.jpg">
<img src="http://www.simplymisty.com/simplycilla/gallery/albums/2000/windtalkers-premiere%20june%2011%202002/normal_5840-presle88322316.jpg">

I just think she is a beautiful 60 year old woman...:nod:

About Ann...I think she is a very pretty girl! I think the reason you don't see it is because you probably hate her...lol.I just can't deal with the lips. I can't understand why people do that to their lips. It's not just her at all. I think Carrie Fisher is hot but I don't like those pictures of her where you can really tell how bad her lips are.

About Ann--she really does look manly to me. Also, I think she seriously needs to gain weight. I'm usually not attracted to skinny women. Of course there are exceptions and she's not one of them. I would feel that way no matter what her political leanings were, but the fact that she hates gay people doesn't help anything.

Miss Vicky
10-08-2005, 09:49 AM
About Ann--she really does look manly to me.

I have to agree. The first time I saw her I couldn't decide if she was just an ugly woman or a really bad tranny.

And Prescilla? Looks like one of those cheap imitation Barbie's you might find at a dollar store.

markolas
10-08-2005, 10:44 AM
Chris Meloni:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/markolas/cm010.jpg

Mo Rocca:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/markolas/Mo.jpg

David Hyde Pierce (kind of an old-school crush):
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/markolas/DHP.jpg

Harry Hamlin (c. Clash of the Titans):
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/markolas/hamlin12.jpg

skcin
10-08-2005, 10:47 AM
Cilla used to be stunning, but she messed up her lips badly. I think Lisa Marie is gorgeous.


Here are mine: Jensen Ackles from the WB show Supernatural (great show, btw.) He's the scruffy one on the right with the shorter hair.

Jensen Ackles (http://tv.zap2it.com/photos/index/0,1237,zp_fromThumb|95365|105854,00.html)

And my dear sweet Matthew. Drooooooooooooooooooooool.

gldstwmn
10-08-2005, 01:26 PM
She looks like Wildenstein from five years ago. Pretty gross, but there's no accounting for taste and everyone's is different, I suppose.

She's crossed the line into Wildenstein territory. Maybe the work is pretty recent, so the swelling will go down some.

gldstwmn
10-08-2005, 01:28 PM
oh come on...I thought it was funny if I do say so myself... :laugh:

It's really not. :distress:

gldstwmn
10-08-2005, 01:32 PM
My girl crush:

http://www.derpreisistheiss.de/images/content/shows/wi/USA_Kelly-Clarkson.jpg

My boy crush:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/fantastic_four/chris_evans/fantastic3.jpg

Curtis, Stevie is absolutely gorgeous in you little movie thingie in your sig. Do you have a still of that?

wondergirl9847
10-08-2005, 01:42 PM
1. Kaysar Ridha
2. The men of Tan-Hauser Gate ;)

ontheEdgeof17
10-08-2005, 01:53 PM
Curtis, Stevie is absolutely gorgeous in you little movie thingie in your sig. Do you have a still of that?

Thanks. No, I don't have a still of it. BTFLCHILD made it for me. She's the best. :nod:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 02:50 PM
She's crossed the line into Wildenstein territory. Maybe the work is pretty recent, so the swelling will go down some.

The lips she just had done I know this year....so yea.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 03:01 PM
I just can't deal with the lips. I can't understand why people do that to their lips. It's not just her at all. I think Carrie Fisher is hot but I don't like those pictures of her where you can really tell how bad her lips are.

Her lip work is recent (like this year) so it will go down...but I just don't have a big problem with them.

About Ann--she really does look manly to me. Also, I think she seriously needs to gain weight. I'm usually not attracted to skinny women. Of course there are exceptions and she's not one of them. I would feel that way no matter what her political leanings were, but the fact that she hates gay people doesn't help anything.

First of all she doesn't hate gay people. She has gay friends...quite a few and she also makes sure she goes to the drag queens' Halloween parade in Greenwich Village every year.

Second of all. She is very skinny, but sometimes that isn't something that can be helped. I really think that that is the ONLY thing that people say about her that really bothers her. The woman eats LOVES food...but sometimes you are just skinny and can't help it. Like me...I can understand. I weigh only 125 lbs. and I am 6'1. So I am also skinny and tall...but it doesn't mean that I am any less good looking... :D

Red
10-08-2005, 03:10 PM
1. Kaysar Ridha
2. The men of Tan-Hauser Gate ;)


Beee-yoo-tee-ful pic of Kaysar. He's supposed to be on BB Allstars next year. YAYYY!!!! :blob1:

estranged4life
10-08-2005, 03:22 PM
I have to go with the following image of a real Italian hottie (The larger image from my signature):

<div align=center><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Cristina-Scabbia.jpg"></div>

estranged4life
10-08-2005, 03:24 PM
2. The men of Tan-Hauser Gate ;)

Ledgies...Cough...Cough...Cough!!!

estranged4life
10-08-2005, 03:29 PM
Is she an actress? Oh, and "Italian Hottie" is redundant. :cool: :laugh: JK. She is hot, though.

lead singer of the Italian Goth/Metal band Lacuna Coil (Helluva great voice to go with her sexy look):

http://www.lacunacoil.it

Miss Vicky
10-08-2005, 03:31 PM
Brian...

That little animation in your sig is just damned creepy!! :shocked:

estranged4life
10-08-2005, 03:37 PM
Brian...

That little animation in your sig is just damned creepy!! :shocked:

Disney is a nice respected family oriented company..."Nuthin'" creepy about the pure, angelic & wholesome Disney :rolleyes:

Brian "Disney or Dis-Knee? Dis-Knee sounds about right!" j.

wondergirl9847
10-08-2005, 03:47 PM
Beee-yoo-tee-ful pic of Kaysar. He's supposed to be on BB Allstars next year. YAYYY!!!! :blob1:

Really?!?! I didn't know they had an Allstars show!! EEEEE!!!! I get to see Kaysar again!! YAY!! Hopefully, he won't get booted off early this time. :rolleyes:

wondergirl9847
10-08-2005, 03:49 PM
Ledgies...Cough...Cough...Cough!!!

Only one in that particular pic is a Ledgie, but the other Ledgie is in the CD cover pics!

Come on ya'll...you know you wanna see Madformac (Justin), so go buy the CD and you can see him. ;) He's also at the website, so cruise on ovah.

dissention
10-08-2005, 04:00 PM
Mo Rocca:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/markolas/Mo.jpg


Moooooooooooooooooo. I love Mo to death. If I was a woman, I would pop out his children.

ontheEdgeof17
10-08-2005, 04:04 PM
Moooooooooooooooooo. I love Mo to death. If I was a woman, I would pop out his children.

My ex looks exactly like him. :D

dissention
10-08-2005, 04:06 PM
My ex looks exactly like him. :D

You're a lucky boy, because Mo is hot. I cannot wait for I Love the 80s in 3D.

GateandGarden
10-08-2005, 04:09 PM
First of all she doesn't hate gay people. She has gay friends...quite a few and she also makes sure she goes to the drag queens' Halloween parade in Greenwich Village every year.If that's the case, it seems to be evidence that she doesn't believe the **** she spews in an attempt to piss people off.
Second of all. She is very skinny, but sometimes that isn't something that can be helped. I really think that that is the ONLY thing that people say about her that really bothers her. The woman eats LOVES food...but sometimes you are just skinny and can't help it. Like me...I can understand. I weigh only 125 lbs. and I am 6'1. So I am also skinny and tall...but it doesn't mean that I am any less good looking... :DIt really bothers her when people say that? Well, I know that some people can eat and eat and it don't gain any weight. I can't imagine that, though. :laugh:

skcin
10-08-2005, 04:16 PM
I cannot wait for I Love the 80s in 3D.


SQQQQQUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

When? When? :blob1:

dissention
10-08-2005, 04:21 PM
SQQQQQUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

When? When? :blob1:

Towards the end of October, I believe. I only watch those things for Rachel Harris and Mo; they're so fecking funny.

markolas
10-08-2005, 04:29 PM
Moooooooooooooooooo. I love Mo to death. If I was a woman, I would pop out his children.

I want him inside me. Seriously.

ontheEdgeof17
10-08-2005, 04:33 PM
I want him inside me. Seriously.

I can send my ex over. :wavey: Spitting image.

dissention
10-08-2005, 04:37 PM
I want him inside me. Seriously.

:laugh:

There's just something about him that's indescribably sexy; the lisp, the glasses, the wit, etc. Love him. I do wish he'd go back to The Daily Show, though.

macfanken
10-08-2005, 04:46 PM
Oh, and "Italian Hottie" is redundant. :cool: :laugh: JK.

So true, Amber. I spent two weeks in Italy last year, everyone over there was hot! It was like culture shock coming back here to pasty, Walmart-shopping fatties. :lol:

sparky
10-08-2005, 04:49 PM
:laugh:

There's just something about him that's indescribably sexy; the lisp, the glasses,

OMG. You are a riot. Do you find Truman Capote sexy ? :laugh:

estranged4life
10-08-2005, 04:52 PM
SQQQQQUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

When? When? :blob1:

from the ads I have been seeing sometime this month...When they show the ad again I will post the date/time.

Sorry folks, Not a Mo fan...Just kinda nerdy to me.

dissention
10-08-2005, 04:57 PM
OMG. You are a riot. Do you find Truman Capote sexy ? :laugh:

:laugh:

That fat ass sounded like he had his balls in a vice grip.

amber
10-08-2005, 04:57 PM
OMG. You are a riot. Do you find Truman Capote sexy ? :laugh:
Thanks, Spark. I don't find Mo sexy. His lisp bugs. Although he was funny in the "I love the..." series. But he wasn't as funny as that other guy, who is my super favorite. I don't know his name, but his hair is light brown and sideswooped, and he is very sarcastic.

GateandGarden
10-08-2005, 04:59 PM
Thanks, Spark. I don't find Mo sexy. His lisp bugs. Although he was funny in the "I love the..." series. But he wasn't as funny as that other guy, who is my super favorite. I don't know his name, but his hair is light brown and sideswooped, and he is very sarcastic.Do you mean Michael Ian Black? But then his hair isn't that light, so maybe you mean someone else.

dissention
10-08-2005, 05:01 PM
Thanks, Spark. I don't find Mo sexy. His lisp bugs. Although he was funny in the "I love the..." series. But he wasn't as funny as that other guy, who is my super favorite. I don't know his name, but his hair is light brown and sideswooped, and he is very sarcastic.

Michael Ian Black? Uh, no. He can be funny, but I don't care for him much.

AliP
10-08-2005, 05:05 PM
I'm sure he's been mentioned (how could he not) but I'm too lazy to look through the entire thread. Gerard Butler. He is the hottest man I have ever laid eyes on. Life is so unfair.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/aliperk78/GB.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/aliperk78/Gerard.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

amber
10-08-2005, 05:08 PM
Michael Ian Black? Uh, no. He can be funny, but I don't care for him much.
oh, man, I thought he was fricking hilarious!!!! He was my fave, then Mo (who's lisp I still hate) and then that blond chick with glasses, but she's kinda hot.
Yep, Michael Ian Black = most hilarious.

amber
10-08-2005, 05:10 PM
Do you mean Michael Ian Black? But then his hair isn't that light, so maybe you mean someone else.
hmmm, I guess his hair isn't that light. Well, compared to mine it is, but...I guess I thought his general overall color was light brown. Maybe that means...he has lightish skin, with regular brown hair and eyes. whatev. that's who I meant. :D

dissention
10-08-2005, 05:13 PM
oh, man, I thought he was fricking hilarious!!!! He was my fave, then Mo (who's lisp I still hate) and then that blond chick with glasses, but she's kinda hot.
Yep, Michael Ian Black = most hilarious.

Rachel Harris. :thumbsup: She was on Fat Actress, too.

And taking the name of this thread into consideration, I can't believe I never once posted a pic of Debbie. :laugh:

GateandGarden
10-08-2005, 05:14 PM
hmmm, I guess his hair isn't that light. Well, compared to mine it is, but...I guess I thought his general overall color was light brown. Maybe that means...he has lightish skin, with regular brown hair and eyes. whatev. that's who I meant. :DWhen I first saw "I Love the 80s," I just didn't think he was funny. But then the more I watched the next few "I Love..." shows, I realized that he's a great comedian. But I think Mo Rocca's just as good. And I really loved Hal Sparks on those shows, too.

ontheEdgeof17
10-08-2005, 05:15 PM
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/aliperk78/GB.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">



:sigh: It's nice to see my husband again.

AliceLover
10-08-2005, 05:23 PM
:sigh: It's nice to see my husband again.

ewwwwwwwwwwwww! :laugh:

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 05:34 PM
OMG. You are a riot. Do you find Truman Capote sexy ? :laugh:

Darling - He IS Truman Capote :woohoo:

amber
10-08-2005, 05:37 PM
Rachel Harris. :thumbsup: She was on Fat Actress, too.

And taking the name of this thread into consideration, I can't believe I never once posted a pic of Debbie. :laugh:
Good point. I believe I posted my obligatory Adjani, what gives???? :laugh: Get some Debbie on here! The naked boobie ones!!!! JK. Pretty much any pic of Deb is super gorgeous.

sparky
10-08-2005, 05:59 PM
:laugh:

That fat ass sounded like he had his balls in a vice grip.

Well, no one had a voice like his. Thankfully. I was just making the lisp and glasses comparison. I can't imagine a world in which I would find that combo a turn on. But hey, there is a lid for every pot.
I don't know from Mo Rocca. And seeing as I still have no TV reception, I will not anytime soon. I am boycotting all of TV culture and I like it !

WizNicks
10-08-2005, 06:07 PM
JEEZ SHE IS HOT!!!!!!

<img src="http://tinypic.com/9a8fwk.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

<img src="http://tinypic.com/9a8ggz.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

<img src="http://tinypic.com/9a8goj.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">
*open mouth" ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....she should date Hayden Christensen, that would be just perfect!

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 06:47 PM
If that's the case, it seems to be evidence that she doesn't believe the **** she spews in an attempt to piss people off.

She has never said in any of her writings that she HATES gay people. She doesn’t agree with a "right" to gay marriage...because it's just not in the constitution.

It really bothers her when people say that? Well, I know that some people can eat and eat and it don't gain any weight. I can't imagine that, though. :laugh:

Well, I guess it doesn't bother her (nothing that anyone says about her really bothers her) it just annoys her I suppose. But I am one of those people who can just eat and eat and eat and not gain any weight...AT ALL!

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 06:50 PM
Finally I'm on the Ledge for a lengthy period of time and no is talking about anything worthwhile. *sigh*

Miss Vicky
10-08-2005, 06:51 PM
oh, man, I thought he was fricking hilarious!!!! He was my fave, then Mo (who's lisp I still hate) and then that blond chick with glasses, but she's kinda hot.
Yep, Michael Ian Black = most hilarious.

Michael Ian Black and Mo are both funny... but this broad's lookin' forward to seeing Hal Sparks.

Anybody know when Season 5 QAF will be out on DVD?

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 06:52 PM
Anybody know when QAF will be out on DVD?


Is that anything like a queef?

macfanken
10-08-2005, 06:54 PM
Finally I'm on the Ledge for a lengthy period of time and no is talking about anything worthwhile. *sigh*


Huh? There was a girl in a bikini on the previous page... that's not enough for you? :shrug: :lol:

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 06:55 PM
Huh? There was a girl in a bikini on the previous page... that's not enough for you? :shrug: :lol:


I actually dont find her attractive. She's good looking, dont get me wrong, but she doesnt raise my tripod.

Miss Vicky
10-08-2005, 06:57 PM
Is that anything like a queef?

Sigh.

Queer As Folk.

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 06:58 PM
Sigh.

Queer As Folk.

Sorry...using disgusting humour as a lame attempt to get a cheap laugh. I'm sure someone less sophisticated may chuckle. *wink*

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 07:02 PM
Alyssa Milano...
<img src="http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/6/65ce96f92e.jpg">

Sarah Michelle Gellar...
<img src="http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52906648.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D05020109421599B35D9256084E8D3F39D3A092DA1B694D2604A015CF9DF">

Emma Caulfield...
<img src="http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/2266682.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D0502010942187C38D21F9EF183E812DFF1291000BAA">

Jaclyn Smith is THE BEST LOOKING OLDER WOMAN WHO HAS HAD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WORK DONE! HOT HOT HOT...
<img src="http://themattressdoctor.com/JaclynSmith/JS_Hydrangea01.jpg">

and I still think that Suzanne Somers is hot too...
<img src="http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/1743780.jpg?x=x&dasite=GettyImages&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=AB27D05020109421E48A24E6F98115955DCBEF597755BA45">

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:02 PM
Wow...I would agree with you on none of them.

Miss Vicky
10-08-2005, 07:03 PM
Sorry...using disgusting humour as a lame attempt to get a cheap laugh. I'm sure someone less sophisticated may chuckle. *wink*


Oh I'm not above disgusting humor (Hell, look at the new quote in my siggy.) and, as anyone who actually knows me could tell you, I'm not especially sophisticated either.

But I assume you're probably one of our token straight boys?

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:04 PM
Oh I'm not above disgusting humor (Hell, look at the new quote in my siggy.) and, as anyone who actually knows me could tell you, I'm not especially sophisticated either.

But I assume you're probably one of our token straight boys?


I know I was just messing with ya.

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:09 PM
Is that anything like a queef?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

you are soooo bad

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:10 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

you are soooo bad


I'll be here all week, and make sure to tip your waitress.

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:11 PM
But I assume you're probably one of our token straight boys?


By the by, I am not a 'token' anything.

Miss Vicky
10-08-2005, 07:13 PM
By the by, I am not a 'token' anything.

I was wondering why you hadn't responded to that one the first time...

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:15 PM
By the by, I am not a 'token' anything.

you never be token :laugh:

pretty bad I know

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:17 PM
I was wondering why you hadn't responded to that one the first time...


I am a token Fleetwood Mac fan...I guess thats about it. The rest of me is...well...unique to say the least. That includes the immensely large........uh guitar playing talent I'm packin.

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:18 PM
you never be token :laugh:

pretty bad I know


Oooh that WAS a stinker. But, I smiled. And you're right...I havent been high in over a year. Had to give it up.

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:19 PM
Oooh that WAS a stinker. But, I smiled. And you're right...I havent been high in over a year. Had to give it up.

Well, pony boy - I was gonna say I wopuld tip the waitress more if she set up your tripod - but then I thought you'd think I was flirting with ya :xoxo:

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:23 PM
Well, pony boy - I was gonna say I wopuld tip the waitress more if she set up your tripod - but then I thought you'd think I was flirting with ya :xoxo:

ROFL!!!!!! ahh me. Always on top arentcha Strand? I mean, not on top. Er...do you want to be on top? I can sacrifice.

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:27 PM
I just want to say, hopefully you all know a "Queef" is different than "keef" :wavey:
Queef is a pussy fart.
Keef is the super cool part of budz.

No, no we got it. (ala the Road Trip line)

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:28 PM
ROFL!!!!!! ahh me. Always on top arentcha Strand? I mean, not on top. Er...do you want to be on top? I can sacrifice.

Well, you do shave - so . . . . .

Lord Child - it is gonna be one of those nights :laugh:

I am a little punchy because went out last night and got positively TRASHED with some buds. When I poured myself out of the cab at like 3:00 in the morning, my doorman was like "What the hell happened to you?" :laugh: Then, because my car was still parked at some sleazy night club, I did not have my keys - so he had to walk me to my place and open the door. Needless to say, he laughed at me the entire way.

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:31 PM
Well, you do shave - so . . . . .




I think I divulged that piece of information in the "curious" thread yesterday or the day before. Which, I've come to realize was a little TMI.

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:34 PM
I think I divulged that piece of information in the "curious" thread yesterday or the day before. Which, I've come to realize was a little TMI.

I thought it was hysterical and it sure provoked an even more hysterical discussion about it and other things :laugh:

I am sure some fussbudgets were horrified - but I was amused :cool:

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:35 PM
I thought it was hysterical and it sure provoked an even more hysterical discussion about it and other things :laugh:

I am sure some fussbudgets were horrified - but I was amused :cool:


Well, if you say so...I do what I can. Howz life in the ATL? I miss it so bad there. I havent been in over a year.

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:37 PM
Well, if you say so...I do what I can. Howz life in the ATL? I miss it so bad there. I havent been in over a year.

Its pretty cool. The nightlife has changed drastically, but maybe me being 38 has more to do with that :laugh:

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:39 PM
Its pretty cool. The nightlife has changed drastically, but maybe me being 38 has more to do with that :laugh:


Yeah when I was there from 99 to 2001, it was CRAZY...I've been back 4 or 5 times since Jan 2002 when I left. 38? Hogwash! You can party with the best of 'em. I'd take ya out. Dont tell BTFCHLD though, she's sweet on me.

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:41 PM
Yeah when I was there from 99 to 2001, it was CRAZY...I've been back 4 or 5 times since Jan 2002 when I left. 38? Hogwash! You can party with the best of 'em. I'd take ya out. Dont tell BTFCHLD though, she's sweet on me.

undercover music lovers . . . .

But, yes, I can still throw it down with the best of them as many a Ledgie I have partied with can attest :laugh:

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:42 PM
Please let me die soon.
You look fab, though, Strand. Sesly. Hot. Not that I'm in your key demographic, you slut. :lol:
Sure would like to visit Hotlanta, though.

:o :o :o

:angel: :xoxo:

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:45 PM
undercover music lovers . . . .
:


dontcha mean underTHEcover?

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 07:45 PM
dontcha mean underTHEcover?

now where is my tripod :wavey:

mylittledemon
10-08-2005, 07:48 PM
now where is my tripod :wavey:

Oooh, oooh, me! Me! Pick me!!

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 08:14 PM
. . . If a tad self absorbed. :lol: :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

If Copernicus had met me, he would have called me the sun :cool:

BTW, I finally figured out why you use multiple same emoticons. It's cause you like to have a chorus line wherever you go!!! :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
(see?)

Well hello - I always need a back up chorus line

macfanken
10-08-2005, 08:52 PM
undercover music lovers . . . .

But, yes, I can still throw it down with the best of them as many a Ledgie I have partied with can attest :laugh:


Yeah, I think I'd be flat on my face before you even got buzzed. :lol:

dissention
10-08-2005, 09:04 PM
Is that anything like a queef?

You sick man. :lol:

dissention
10-08-2005, 09:08 PM
Good point. I believe I posted my obligatory Adjani, what gives???? :laugh: Get some Debbie on here! The naked boobie ones!!!! JK. Pretty much any pic of Deb is super gorgeous.

This is my favorite:

http://www.godprod.com/vision/mickrock/images/blondie.jpg

Any photo of her taken by Mick Rock is stunning. His photobook is amazing.

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 09:12 PM
This is my favorite:

http://www.godprod.com/vision/mickrock/images/blondie.jpg

Any photo of her taken by Mick Rock is stunning. His photobook is amazing.

She looks a little like Stevie there :laugh: :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 09:15 PM
This is my favorite:

http://www.godprod.com/vision/mickrock/images/blondie.jpg

Any photo of her taken by Mick Rock is stunning. His photobook is amazing.

Very beautiful is she...

Brwn_eyes0511
10-08-2005, 09:19 PM
and OF COURSE there is the timeless beauty that is Judy Garland...

<img src="http://www.judy-garland.org/asib/photos/pictures/c7.jpg">

ryan8472
10-08-2005, 09:21 PM
This is my favorite:

http://www.godprod.com/vision/mickrock/images/blondie.jpg

Any photo of her taken by Mick Rock is stunning. His photobook is amazing.
Thank you for hauling this pic out. It really is stunning. :nod: :xoxo:

dissention
10-08-2005, 09:23 PM
Oh my goodness. :shocked: She just really is otherworldly gorgeous, isn't she? You might as well NOT post pics, it's so obvious. And you know how beautiful I think Adjani is. And i don't even love blonds. But she is just the most. To say the least.
Good lawd. She should be banned from the competition, she's so beautiful. :eek: i would give my right leg for that face structure. and lips.

:laugh:

I found these from a Jazz Passengers concert last month and I just think they are the cat's meow.

http://www.gratefuljoe.com/concerts/debbiejazz05-1.jpghttp://www.gratefuljoe.com/concerts/debbiejazz05-4.jpg

okay, I'm done. lol.
mmm, maybe just one:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/antisnark/Intro.jpg

She's beautiful. :nod: And she was the only truly good thing about Bon Voyage.

dissention
10-08-2005, 09:31 PM
Alyssa Milano...
<img src="http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/6/65ce96f92e.jpg">

She's pretty, but Michael Vartan in the background is what really gets me hot and bothered.

http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/ep_vivianzink.jpg
There is nothing I wouldn't let him do to me.

Jaclyn Smith is THE BEST LOOKING OLDER WOMAN WHO HAS HAD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WORK DONE! HOT HOT HOT...


I think she's beautiful, too, but no work? Who you kidding?! :laugh:

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 09:32 PM
. . . but Michael Vartan in the background is what really gets me hot and bothered.

http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/ep_vivianzink.jpg
There is nothing I wouldn't let him do to me . . . .

Even if he had foreskin :p :p :p

couldn't resist :laugh:

macfanken
10-08-2005, 09:33 PM
Even if he had foreskin :p :p :p

couldn't resist :laugh:


:thumbsup: :laugh:

ryan8472
10-08-2005, 09:34 PM
Strandie, where did that come from?! :shocked: :laugh:

dissention
10-08-2005, 09:35 PM
Even if he had foreskin :p :p :p

couldn't resist :laugh:

Welllllllllll...

I'd have to kick him out of bed over that. :laugh:

macfanken
10-08-2005, 09:41 PM
Welllllllllll...

I'd have to kick him out of bed over that. :laugh:

Sounds good to me... just kick him on over into my bed! :shocked: :lol:

strandinthewind
10-08-2005, 09:41 PM
Strandie, where did that come from?! :shocked: :laugh:

LOL - read the Curious thread :cool:

wondergirl9847
10-08-2005, 09:58 PM
More Kaysar...sigh...

http://www.realitytvmagazine.com/blog/images/kaysar_smiling.jpg

dissention
10-08-2005, 09:59 PM
Sounds good to me... just kick him on over into my bed! :shocked: :lol:

:laugh:

He's hot ****. Absolutely perfect. I won't watch Alias anymore now that they killed him off, either. No way, no how.

wondergirl9847
10-09-2005, 12:12 AM
So gorgeous....sheebus!

dissention
10-09-2005, 12:26 AM
So gorgeous....sheebus!

Oh, yeah. He's fine. His voice is what's really sexy, though.

wondergirl9847
10-09-2005, 12:34 AM
Most accents are hot. :nod: I wish I had that Madonna video he was in. I remember seeing him in that and going "OMG, who is he, he is stunning!" Now, I get to see him every week on ER. Yay me!

sparky
10-09-2005, 12:47 AM
He is pretty hot. :nod:

dissention
10-09-2005, 12:56 AM
He is pretty hot. :nod:

The Lorax! :lol:

"For the trees have no tongues..."

sparky
10-09-2005, 01:23 AM
The Lorax! :lol:

"For the trees have no tongues..."

I love The Lorax.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 02:55 AM
She's pretty, but Michael Vartan in the background is what really gets me hot and bothered.

Fine, you take him and I can have Alyssa...!!! :xoxo:




I think she's beautiful, too, but no work? Who you kidding?! :laugh:

NO REALLY...She never has had any done. She was on Oprah and told Oprah that she had never had any work done and Oprah couldn't believe it! Jaclyn said she was way to scared of surgery to even try it. And I believe her...she has no reason to lie about it. She is a lady who has found the fountain of youth!

dissention
10-09-2005, 08:50 AM
I love The Lorax.

Growing up in Western MA, it's a given that most kids know Dr. Seuss by heart and The Lorax has always been my favorite (alongside Oh, the Places You'll Go and The Butter Battle, naturally). And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street is another favorite, but it's impact is severely diminshed once you walk down the actual Mulberry Street. Better have some mace and/or a handgun with you. :laugh:

dissention
10-09-2005, 09:02 AM
Fine, you take him and I can have Alyssa...!!! :xoxo:

If only I could take him. My life would be complete.

NO REALLY...She never has had any done. She was on Oprah and told Oprah that she had never had any work done and Oprah couldn't believe it! Jaclyn said she was way to scared of surgery to even try it. And I believe her...she has no reason to lie about it. She is a lady who has found the fountain of youth!

I don't believe her. She's had something done. Her surgeon deserves a medal, too, because he did a remarkable job; she looks fantastic. She's the poster child for good plastic surgery. Priscilla could learn a thing or two from her on how to have good work done.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 02:38 PM
If only I could take him. My life would be complete.



I don't believe her. She's had something done. Her surgeon deserves a medal, too, because he did a remarkable job; she looks fantastic. She's the poster child for good plastic surgery. Priscilla could learn a thing or two from her on how to have good work done.

I believe her. Usually you can tell when someone has had something done and there is just nothing there. I truly believe that if you take care of yourself, your body, your skin and maintain a healthy diet you can stay youthful...But if you are right and she has had some work done...then props to her surgeon.

<img src="http://images.oprah.com/images/tows/200502/20050210/20050210_301_350x263.jpg">
HOTTTT!
and...

<img src="http://images.oprah.com/images/tows/200502/20050210/20050210_304_350x263.jpg">
GREAT new furniture line...:nod:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 02:46 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05122/497610.stm

Q. As an outstanding beauty, are you concerned about the aging process? Will you go the natural route?

A. (JACLYN) Well, I'm never going to say never. My mother certainly went naturally, and I think she is beyond beautiful. I don't like when you are just so pulled. That's obsessive, and I think anytime you are desperate and obsessive it's not attractive. As my mother says, "You can't change the look out of your eyes." I am not against plastic surgery; I'm a little frightened of surgery in itself. The funny thing -- I haven't gone through a midlife crisis. I've gone through empty nest; seeing a stroller in the park and realizing those days are gone was sort of more scary to me. But, yeah, we all want to look our best, we all want to stay in shape. I'm married to a heart surgeon. He says I need to do aerobic exercises and eat low-fat. And I do all that. But am I obsessed with aging? No. It's because I'm busy. I'm challenged. I am living beyond myself with my kids. Hey, we are all gonna age.

dissention
10-09-2005, 02:47 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05122/497610.stm

Q. As an outstanding beauty, are you concerned about the aging process? Will you go the natural route?

A. (JACLYN) Well, I'm never going to say never. My mother certainly went naturally, and I think she is beyond beautiful. I don't like when you are just so pulled. That's obsessive, and I think anytime you are desperate and obsessive it's not attractive. As my mother says, "You can't change the look out of your eyes." I am not against plastic surgery; I'm a little frightened of surgery in itself. The funny thing -- I haven't gone through a midlife crisis. I've gone through empty nest; seeing a stroller in the park and realizing those days are gone was sort of more scary to me. But, yeah, we all want to look our best, we all want to stay in shape. I'm married to a heart surgeon. He says I need to do aerobic exercises and eat low-fat. And I do all that. But am I obsessed with aging? No. It's because I'm busy. I'm challenged. I am living beyond myself with my kids. Hey, we are all gonna age.

Who's she kidding? Anyone can stand next to Farrah and look natural. :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 02:48 PM
Who's she kidding? Anyone can stand next to Farrah and look natural. :laugh:

that's true. Poor Farrah! I think some of those photos of her out there are just TERRIBLE. But I did watch Chasing Farrah and she didn't look all that bad in the show.

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 03:02 PM
Who's she kidding? Anyone can stand next to Farrah and look natural. :laugh:Now, dissy, you better not say anything bad about Jaclyn, because that's when Miss Bonita here goes off!

Jaclyn is perfection. :nod:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 03:09 PM
Now, dissy, you better not say anything bad about Jaclyn, because that's when Miss Bonita here goes off!

Jaclyn is perfection. :nod:

You're damn straight! The woman is hot hot hot! and to top it all off...she is a republican! *sigh*
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/p3chrmd/dd_1_b.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 03:16 PM
The woman is hot hot hot! and to top it all off...she is a republican! *sigh*Well, no one's perfect. :laugh:
She's wealthy and a Texan, so of course she's Republican. I think they actually shoot you there if you're not.

I still love her though. :xoxo:

dissention
10-09-2005, 03:26 PM
Now, dissy, you better not say anything bad about Jaclyn, because that's when Miss Bonita here goes off!

Jaclyn is perfection. :nod:

Perfection maintained with plastic surgery, of course.

And why does everyone stigmatize plastic surgery as such a bad thing?

mylittledemon
10-09-2005, 03:32 PM
Perfection maintained with plastic surgery, of course.

And why does everyone stigmatize plastic surgery as such a bad thing?

I personally think it's very vain...but then again, if it makes you feel better about yourself and you have the money to piss away then go for it. I suppose there is a fine line between plastic surgery and the fact that I have tattoos on my body. Some psychotics....er...I mean psychologists say people with tattoos do it for attention and to make their bodies "beautiful" that they are otherwise unsatisfied with.

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 03:36 PM
Perfection maintained with plastic surgery, of course.If she's had work done, it couldn't have been too much.
Anytime there's a beautiful 50 or 60-something woman, you insist she's had plastic surgery. But I can't figure out how 750 famous middle-aged women can look so fake and pulled, while 9 others have managed to apparently have "good work" done. :shrug:

Did the "natural" looking ones just get lucky, or was the millions of dollars the other chicks spent just not enough for "good work"?

And why does everyone stigmatize plastic surgery as such a bad thing?Everyone can do what they want to their own face, but I'd rather have wrinkles and sag a little, than risk looking like a pulled and stretched and Botoxed and collagened product of science. :shocked:

When did we all get so freaking obsessed with still looking like we're 18?!?

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 03:42 PM
I personally think it's very vain...but then again, if it makes you feel better about yourself and you have the money to piss away then go for it. I suppose there is a fine line between plastic surgery and the fact that I have tattoos on my body. Some psychotics....er...I mean psychologists say people with tattoos do it for attention and to make their bodies "beautiful" that they are otherwise unsatisfied with.The funny thing is, for as many self esteem issues as I've had in the past, I've never wanted to surgically change anything about my face or body.

If my eyelids are a little puffy, they're a little puffy. If I have laugh lines around my mouth, I have laugh lines around my mouth.
I'm not a teenager anymore -- I'm 33 years old. I don't expect to still look like I did in my graduation picture, and, frankly, I'm glad I don't.

I do want to look the best I can, yes... but naturally.

dissention
10-09-2005, 03:49 PM
But I can't figure out how 750 famous middle-aged women can look so fake and pulled, while 9 others have managed to apparently have "good work" done. :shrug:

As I've said numerous times, it depends on what you have done and the extent to which you have it done. Jaclyn Smith looks ****ing great, but you won't convince me that she hasn't had anything done to her. There are plenty of women out there who don't look like they've had any surgery done (Lynda Carter, Susan Sarandon, Kate Jackson, Helen Mirren) and they look great, too, but they're exceptions to the rule in that business.

Everyone can do what they want to their own face, but I'd rather have wrinkles and sag a little, then risk looking like a pulled and stretched and Botoxed and collagened product of science. :shrug:

Again, there's a difference between good work and bad work. Bad work is usually the result of going overboard and getting too overzealous in what you want done. The majority of people who have plastic surgery do not look like "products of science."

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 04:04 PM
There are plenty of women out there who don't look like they've had any surgery done (Lynda Carter, Susan Sarandon, Kate Jackson, Helen Mirren) and they look great, too, but they're exceptions to the rule in that business.I have actually wondered what you've thought of how Lynda Carter looks these days. To me, she looks completely natural, but I've thought that other times, too, when you've insisted someone had work. :shrug:

Jaclyn Smith looks ****ing great, but you won't convince me that she hasn't had anything done to her.

Again, there's a difference between good work and bad work. Bad work is usually the result of going overboard and getting too overzealous in what you want done. The majority of people who have plastic surgery do not look like "products of science."You and I have gone around on this one before. I'm not being stubborn or disingenuous, but I still can't figure out how someone can have "obvious" plastic surgery and NOT look like a "product of science."
If it's "obvious," then.... :confused:

dissention
10-09-2005, 04:12 PM
You and I have gone around on this one before. I'm not being stubborn or disingenuous, but I still can't figure out how someone can have "obvious" plastic surgery and NOT look like a "product of science."
If it's "obvious," then.... :confused:

Because having plastic surgery does not automatically make one look like they're a "product of science." You use that label in a derogatory way, as if everyone who has plastic surgery looks bad and fake. Jaclyn Smith looks as good as she did 25 years ago with the help of plastic surgery; it's obvious just looking at her that she's had some work done. But she doesn't look like a "product of science," nor does she look completely unnatural. :shrug:

It's obvious that Jennifer Garner had a nose job, and she doesn't look like a "product of science," either.

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 04:45 PM
Because having plastic surgery does not automatically make one look like they're a "product of science." You use that label in a derogatory way, as if everyone who has plastic surgery looks bad and fake. Jaclyn Smith looks as good as she did 25 years ago with the help of plastic surgery; it's obvious just looking at her that she's had some work done. But she doesn't look like a "product of science," nor does she look completely unnatural. :shrug:I guess, to me, "obvious," ie: "noticeable," plastic surgery doesn't sound like a good thing.

If you can tell that someone's had work done, then what's the point in having it done in the first place?

But if you can look at someone's face and not be able to tell they had plastic surgery, then THAT'S what I'd think would be called "good work."

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 04:48 PM
Because having plastic surgery does not automatically make one look like they're a "product of science." You use that label in a derogatory way, as if everyone who has plastic surgery looks bad and fake. Jaclyn Smith looks as good as she did 25 years ago with the help of plastic surgery; it's obvious just looking at her that she's had some work done. But she doesn't look like a "product of science," nor does she look completely unnatural. :shrug:

It's obvious that Jennifer Garner had a nose job, and she doesn't look like a "product of science," either.

ehh. Call me stupid if you wish, but I'm still going to take Jaclyn at face value when she says she has never had any surgery. I have no reason to think that she would be a liar.

dissention
10-09-2005, 04:49 PM
I guess, to me, "obvious," ie: "noticeable," plastic surgery doesn't sound like a good thing.

If you can tell that someone's had work done, then what's the point in having it done in the first place?

But if you can look at someone's face and not be able to tell they had plastic surgery, then THAT'S what I'd think would be called "good work."

What the hell would be the point of going through plastic surgery if there wasn't a noticeable difference in your appearance?

strandinthewind
10-09-2005, 04:50 PM
What the hell would be the point of going through plastic surgery if there wasn't a noticeable difference in your appearance?

True - plus anyone who knew you fairly well before it will and should notice a difference, esp. in something like a nose job.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 04:51 PM
What the hell would be the point of going through plastic surgery if there wasn't a noticeable difference in your appearance?

good point...

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 05:47 PM
What the hell would be the point of going through plastic surgery if there wasn't a noticeable difference in your appearance?Well, if it's something like a nose-job, then obviously the point is to look different. I doubt Jennifer Grey had her nose done hoping that no one would catch on.

But if we're talking facelifts and botox injections, then I'd think you wouldn't want it to be "obvious" that you had work done.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go through all the financial expense and recovery time, just to hear someone say, "he looks great, but it's obvious he's had work done."
I'd want to hear, "he looks great," period.

dissention
10-09-2005, 05:53 PM
But if we're talking facelifts and botox injections, then I'd think you wouldn't want it to be "obvious" that you had work done.

No, you'd want to look exactly as you did beforehand with no noticeable differences. :rolleyes:

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 06:19 PM
No, you'd want to look exactly as you did beforehand with no noticeable differences. :rolleyes:I'm just thinking in terms of Jaclyn Smith here. You said she looks exactly like she did 20 years ago, but it's "obvious she's had work done."

Well, I don't recall a time when she's ever not looked like she did in the '70s... so if there wasn't a time when she was all wrinkly and jowly and then suddenly looked young again, what makes it "obvious" she's had work done?

When something is supposed to be "obvious," I expect to see stronger physical evidence than just the idea that since the woman looks "amazing for her age," then it must be due to plastic surgery.

But I think what it comes down to, is that you and I have very different ideas of what "obvious work" means.
You feel that if a woman looks exactly today as she did 20 years ago, then it's "obvious" she's had work done, while I think that using a phrase like "obvious work" sounds like it implies that there are tell-tale signs of surgery, like higher-than-normal brows or misshapen lips.

Unless the woman's features have changed in an unnatural way (a wide nose is suddenly narrow, thin lips are suddenly plump), then I don't assume anything.

dissention
10-09-2005, 06:21 PM
Well, I don't recall a time when she's ever not looked like she did in the '70s... so if there wasn't a time when she was all wrinkly and jowly and then suddenly looked young again, what makes it "obvious" she's had work done?

The way in which the aging process works.

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 06:31 PM
The way in which the aging process works.You can see (or at least I can see) that Jaclyn's features have "dipped" a little, and that she does have wrinkles and puffiness under her eyes (and a less-than-tight neck). Nothing severe, of course, but they're there.

I'm not sure how many other signs of natural aging there have to be, to dispell the assumption that someone has had work done.

More than anything, it bothers me that a middle-aged woman who looks fantastic, is automatically assumed to have had work done.
Whether the person who makes the statement has no problems with people having plastic surgery or not, it still seems to be an unfair assumption.

dissention
10-09-2005, 06:34 PM
You can see (or at least I can see) that Jaclyn's features have "dipped" a little, and that she does have wrinkles and puffiness under her eyes (and a less-than-tight neck). Nothing severe, of course, but they're there.

I'm not sure how many other signs of natural aging there have to be, to dispell the assumption that someone has had work done.

More than anything, it bothers me that a middle-aged woman who looks fantastic, is automatically assumed to have had work done.
Whether the person who makes the statement has no problems with people having plastic surgery or not, it still seems to be an unfair assumption.

Let's agree to disagree.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 06:36 PM
Let's agree to disagree.

Josh... :mad:

You never say that with me!!! :D

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 06:37 PM
Let's agree to disagree.We've never had to do that before! :laugh:

dissention
10-09-2005, 06:38 PM
We've never had to do that before! :laugh:

Sure we have. And there's only so much time I want to waste discussing Jaclyn Smith's face. :angel:

strandinthewind
10-09-2005, 06:42 PM
. . . More than anything, it bothers me that a middle-aged woman who looks fantastic, is automatically assumed to have had work done.
Whether the person who makes the statement has no problems with people having plastic surgery or not, it still seems to be an unfair assumption.

I agree with you. My mother had me when she was 39.

Here is her pic. at 40 (close to 41) - in which she looks like a girl in her early 20's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/strandinthewind/scan.jpg

BTW - I am the fat baby on her left :laugh:

She, to this day, has never had any work done - but at 79 and with a medical necessary surgery or hospitalization a year for six years, she finally shows her age. So, it most. def. can be done.

I think certain people have tell tale signs though, like taut cheeks and a sagging neck, etc.

dissention
10-09-2005, 06:45 PM
You are the spitting image of your mother. :shocked:

strandinthewind
10-09-2005, 06:46 PM
You are the spitting image of your mother. :shocked:

I know - it is a little frightening at times :laugh: I even had that hair in the 80's :] :] :]

macfanken
10-09-2005, 06:46 PM
I agree with you. My mother had me when she was 39.

Here is her pic. at 40 (close to 41) - in which she looks like a girl in her early 20's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/strandinthewind/scan.jpg

BTW - I am the fat baby on her left :laugh:

She, to this day, has never had any work done - but at 79 and with a medical necessary surgery or hospitalization a year for six years, she finally shows her age. So, it most. def. can be done.

I think certain people have tell tale signs though, like taut cheeks and a sagging neck, etc.

Awww... cute picture... you look a lot like your mother. :)

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 06:52 PM
Sure we have.It was a joke, silly. :xoxo:

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 06:52 PM
That's a GREAT pic, Jason... you do look exactly like your mother! :xoxo:

Johnny Stew
10-09-2005, 06:53 PM
By the way, did everyone see Marty's notice that the Ledge will be down for a few days?

I'm trying to get caught up on every thread I was viewing and replying to, before I lose the opportunity!

(I'm not addicted.... nope!)

Brwn_eyes0511
10-09-2005, 06:58 PM
By the way, did everyone see Marty's notice that the Ledge will be down for a few days?

I'm trying to get caught up on every thread I was viewing and replying to, before I lose the opportunity!

(I'm not addicted.... nope!)

I know, I am a little sad! :distress: goodbye for a few days... :wavey:

Red
10-13-2005, 12:24 AM
More Kaysar...sigh...

http://www.realitytvmagazine.com/blog/images/kaysar_smiling.jpg

I LOVE YOU WONDERGIRL!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, he is my biggest out of control crush right now. What a smile!!:thumbsup:

Red
10-13-2005, 12:26 AM
So gorgeous....sheebus!

Alright, you and I have the same taste in men. What are your thoughts on Viggo?

wondergirl9847
10-13-2005, 12:34 AM
Eh, he does nothing for me. :shrug: I do love Josh Holloway from Lost and a lot of people think he and Viggo look similar, but I don't really see it. :confused:

More gorgeous Kaysar...sigh....

Red
10-13-2005, 12:40 AM
Eh, he does nothing for me. :shrug: I do love Josh Holloway from Lost and a lot of people think he and Viggo look similar, but I don't really see it. :confused:

More gorgeous Kaysar...sigh....

OMG, you're killing me with Kaysar!! Droooooooool........
So yeah, he's apparently slated for both BB Allstars AND Amazing Race, with Janelle. That would SO easily make up for the crappiness of this season.

...and yes, Josh Holloway and Viggo totally look alike. :p

Any more hotties to share?

wondergirl9847
10-13-2005, 12:54 AM
We could be here all night with my list of hotties. LOL

Lindsey
Keith
Josh (along with Naveen Andrews and Matthew Fox on Lost)
Justin
Kaysar
Evan Farmer
Tim Daly
Paul Gross (from Due South!)
Patrick Swayze (mostly in Dirty Dancing or Roadhouse)
Craig Ferguson
Brad Pitt
Matthew McConaghey
Goran Visnjic
George Michael
William Petersen, George Eads and Gary Dourdan (from CSI)
David Duchovny
Kyle Chandler
Kyan Douglas
Chris Cornell
Mark McGrath
Morten Harket (lead singer of A-Ha...well Mags and Pal are hot too)
Michael W. Smith
The guys in BBMak
Kevin Richardson from BSB
Eric McCormack
Christian Kane
Mark Valley and Julian Rhind-Tutt (Keen Eddie)
Scott Reeves
Ron Eldard
Jeremy Irons (that voice...$#@$@#!!!)
Christian Bale
Steve Carell

And the list just goes on and on. LOL It's late...I'll post pics another time. :)

Red
10-13-2005, 01:01 AM
We could be here all night with my list of hotties. LOL

Lindsey
Keith
Josh (along with Naveen Andrews and Matthew Fox on Lost)
Justin
Kaysar
Evan Farmer
Tim Daly
Paul Gross (from Due South!)
Patrick Swayze (mostly in Dirty Dancing or Roadhouse)
Craig Ferguson
Brad Pitt
Matthew McConaghey
Goran Visnjic
George Michael
William Petersen, George Eads and Gary Dourdan (from CSI)
David Duchovny
Kyle Chandler
Kyan Douglas
Chris Cornell
Mark McGrath
Morten Harket (lead singer of A-Ha...well Mags and Pal are hot too)
Michael W. Smith
The guys in BBMak
Kevin Richardson from BSB
Eric McCormack
Christian Kane
Mark Valley and Julian Rhind-Tutt (Keen Eddie)
Scott Reeves
Ron Eldard
Jeremy Irons (that voice...$#@$@#!!!)
Christian Bale
Steve Carell

And the list just goes on and on. LOL It's late...I'll post pics another time. :)

I'd say I'd agree with about 1/3 of these, and that's pretty damn good. I still totally love David Duchovney even though he's kinda done nothing in awhile. And I love that Jeremy Irons is on your list.

I gotta say, I love them' aging musicians:

Lindsey
David Bowie
Bryan Ferry
Chris Isaac
Steven Tyler (yep)

:nod:

dissention
10-13-2005, 01:01 AM
Mark Valley

I love him! So much so that he gets a :blob1: .

Red
10-13-2005, 01:25 AM
Yeah, The Lorax is pretty hot.


My sister met him at a Starbucks somewhere in Southern California...Can't remember exactly where. She introduced herself, and said he was very polite and nice. However my sister was a little disappointed: he is of average height (about 5'10") and very thin in person, unlike film presence suggests.

Sheebus, really? He seems like a giant. Damn you, Lord of the Rings!:distress:

sparky
10-13-2005, 02:54 AM
Yeah, The Lorax is pretty hot.

The Lorax Rules.


My sister met him at a Starbucks somewhere in Southern California...Can't remember exactly where. She introduced herself, and said he was very polite and nice. However my sister was a little disappointed: he is of average height (about 5'10") and very thin in person, unlike film presence suggests.

Likely Venice or Santa Monica. He lives in Venice. I have met him and he is a doll. Almost exactly my height, which drives me nuts, and he is mild mannered, soft spoken, and a complete gentleman. It almost killed me to not drag him into the men's room and attempt to strip his clothes off and attack him. I dreamed about him for DAYS. The chemistry and sexual vibe he emits is staggering.

sparky
10-13-2005, 03:22 AM
Jake Gyllenhaal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/_storiesforboys/jake009_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/_storiesforboys/jake_gyllenhaal_001_1.jpg


OMFG, I have to change my sheets.

Moony
10-13-2005, 03:36 AM
OMFG, I have to change my sheets.
Seriously. Especially after the second picture.

I cannot wait for Brokeback Mountain!!!

sparky
10-13-2005, 03:39 AM
Seriously. Especially after the second picture.

I cannot wait for Brokeback Mountain!!!

Yeah, and I don't even like blue eyes.
Brutal.
That poor guy. I'd put him in the hospital. :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 04:08 AM
What makes it all ironic...

his sister is U-G-L-Y! :nod:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 04:26 AM
Aw, she has a different look, yes. But I wouldn't call her ugly. I think she's cute.

http://www.cinematical.com/images/2005/04/maggie_150x218.jpg
http://www.girlskickbutt.com/images/girls/profile/maggieg.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/205/2023/640/Maggie_Gyllenhaal-32.jpg

Maybe you are right.

I PERSONALLY don't find her attractive...but I'm sure lots of others do! :nod:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 04:47 AM
She probably doesn't find you attractive either...

http://www.artistsnetwork.org/news12/maggie.jpg

:lol: :laugh: :lol:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 05:02 AM
Yep, to each his own and whatnot. I just don't use "ugly" lightly. I mean, this is ugly
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/images/mjackson2.jpg
God, I have insomnia tonight.

No that is beyond "ugly" I think...it is HORRIFIC!!! lol

and I have insomnia too...:nod: :D

wondergirl9847
10-13-2005, 10:18 AM
My sister met him at a Starbucks somewhere in Southern California...Can't remember exactly where. She introduced herself, and said he was very polite and nice. However my sister was a little disappointed: he is of average height (about 5'10") and very thin in person, unlike film presence suggests.

How is 5'10" average? LOL I'm a midget (5'1"), so to me, that's pretty tall. :shrug:

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:33 AM
What makes it all ironic...

his sister is U-G-L-Y! :nod:

I love Maggie. I think she's cute. She can be my secretary any time.

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:38 AM
Jake Gyllenhaal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/_storiesforboys/jake009_1.jpg


He'c cute in that one. He's on the cover Premiere this month and the pictures inside make him look quite retarded, though. Not flattering.

markolas
10-13-2005, 12:05 PM
OMFG, I have to change my sheets.

I have to get a new keyboard. :p :lol:

markolas
10-13-2005, 12:10 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Curiosa456/AlanNudeGrain.jpg
alan rickman

I don't know who this is, but he's really cute. I have a thing for noses like that. Roman noses, or whatever.

markolas
10-13-2005, 12:11 PM
I love him! So much so that he gets a :blob1: .

He reminds me a little of Anderson Cooper, if this is who I think you're talking about.

BTFLCHLD
10-13-2005, 12:13 PM
<img src="http://tinypic.com/ejc3tf.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

<img src="http://tinypic.com/ejc3vd.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

<img src="http://tinypic.com/ejc57b.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

i had always thought josh duhamel was ok...
then i had a dream the other night...
now hes incredibly delicious!:]

ontheEdgeof17
10-13-2005, 12:52 PM
i had always thought josh duhamel was ok...
then i had a dream the other night...
now hes incredibly delicious!:]


He has a really small penis, but he's still hot. Fergie's a lucky Biotch.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 12:53 PM
He has a really small penis, . . . .

and how do you know this :eek:

ontheEdgeof17
10-13-2005, 12:54 PM
and how do you know this :eek:

I've seen pictures. :)

wondergirl9847
10-13-2005, 01:49 PM
That's Alan Rickman...played in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves as the Sheriff of Nottingham...he's been in tons of films. Love Actually, Die Hard (He played Hans...."Yipee-ki-ya, mofo!")

ETA: Dur, I just saw that his name is under the pic...but now, you know what other movies he was in. I think he was in Sense and Sensibility or Emma...one of those.

Mari
10-13-2005, 01:51 PM
He's Snape in the Harry Potter movies. That's funny, I saw Sense & Sensibility last night, yumm.. yes, he was in it.

dissention
10-13-2005, 10:39 PM
He reminds me a little of Anderson Cooper, if this is who I think you're talking about.

Really? I don't see any resemblance, other than the fact that both are hot.

http://thetexan.diaryland.com/images/hot_mark_valley.jpg

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 10:41 PM
Really? I don't see any resemblance, other than the fact that both are hot.

http://thetexan.diaryland.com/images/hot_mark_valley.jpg

Josh...did you see Anderson Cooper on Oprah Wednesday? I forgot to post to remind you!

dissention
10-13-2005, 10:45 PM
Josh...did you see Anderson Cooper on Oprah Wednesday? I forgot to post to remind you!

Yes. :laugh:

I loved his segment (he cuts through the bull**** like no other), but the rest of the show was the pits. Oprah is so out of touch with reality that it's sickening. I lost it when she asked the woman 70 miles from Chicago who didn't have any running water "Is this the life that you dreamed of?" What a nutbag.

I stopped watching once her "special friend" Gayle trotted out onto the stage.

Moony
10-13-2005, 10:46 PM
Josh...did you see Anderson Cooper on Oprah Wednesday? I forgot to post to remind you!
I saw it. It was incredibly heartbreaking.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 10:48 PM
I saw it. It was incredibly heartbreaking.

I missed the episode but I remember seeing the previews and tried to remember to let Josh know.

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 10:49 PM
Yes. :laugh:

I loved his segment (he cuts through the bull**** like no other), but the rest of the show was the pits. Oprah is so out of touch with reality that it's sickening. I lost it when she asked the woman 70 miles from Chicago who didn't have any running water "Is this the life that you dreamed of?" What a nutbag.

I stopped watching once her "special friend" Gayle trotted out onto the stage.

stop stilling from Kathy, Joshy! HAHA :lol:

But I like Oprah...she is good at what she does.

dissention
10-13-2005, 10:51 PM
I saw it. It was incredibly heartbreaking.

I loved what he said about New Orleans (I'm paraphrasing):

"This whole show is about the invisible poor. When the mayor of New Orleans knows that there are 100,000 people in that city who don't have access to a car or can't pay for a gasoline, and yet he doesn't provide buses or bus drivers to get them out, that is the consequence when you're invisible. You don't get evacuated because no one knows you're there."

dissention
10-13-2005, 10:54 PM
stop stilling from Kathy, Joshy! HAHA :lol:

But Kathy is right! Something ain't right about those two.

But I like Oprah...she is good at what she does.

Oh yeah. She devotes an entire show to being denied entrance into HERMES, and then expects to be taken seriously when she does a show about poverty and asks poor people such brilliant questions as "Is this the life you dreamed of?" No, she dreamed of living in a Maytag box in an alley and selling pencils by the side of the road with Ned the Wino. :rolleyes:

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 10:56 PM
But Kathy is right! Something ain't right about those two.

lol. :lol:

Oh yeah. She devotes an entire show to being denied entrance into HERMES, and then expects to be taken seriously when she does a show about poverty and asks poor people such brilliant questions as "Is this the life you dreamed of?" No, she dreamed of living in a Maytag box in an alley and selling pencils by the side of the road with Ned the Wino. :rolleyes:

Josh, how dare you make fun of the "poor" people of this country! :D :xoxo:

I like her anyways...oh well. And I respect her even more for what she is doing about the sex offenders!

Brwn_eyes0511
10-13-2005, 10:57 PM
I loved what he said about New Orleans (I'm paraphrasing):

"This whole show is about the invisible poor. When the mayor of New Orleans knows that there are 100,000 people in that city who don't have access to a car or can't pay for a gasoline, and yet he doesn't provide buses or bus drivers to get them out, that is the consequence when you're invisible. You don't get evacuated because no one knows you're there."

Did Oprah say anything to this? Because on her Katrina special she had the mayor on...and it basically had him coming out like the "helpless hero" of it all!

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:00 PM
Did Oprah say anything to this? Because on her Katrina special she had the mayor on...and it basically had him coming out like the "helpless hero" of it all!

I don't remember. I taped it, I'll look tomorrow. She basically made an ass out of herself, interrupting the guests constantly to make some "profound" statement that was instead simply idiotic.

I don't trust Nagin as far as I can throw him. Something is not right about that man.

Johnny Stew
10-13-2005, 11:03 PM
He has a really small penis, but he's still hot. It's nearly impossible to make an accurate judgement on a guy's length from seeing him flaccid though.
Some guys are show-ers, but most are growers. From the pic I've seen, Josh looks to be about average flaccid length, but he could just as easily be of an above-average erect length.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:03 PM
I loved what he said about New Orleans (I'm paraphrasing):

"This whole show is about the invisible poor. When the mayor of New Orleans knows that there are 100,000 people in that city who don't have access to a car or can't pay for a gasoline, and yet he doesn't provide buses or bus drivers to get them out, that is the consequence when you're invisible. You don't get evacuated because no one knows you're there."

TO be fair, many if not the majority of the 100,000 who did not evacuate did not want to evacuate and refused to go to the Superdome, etc. I would say the number of people who totally could not evacuate was more like 10,000 if that. Remember, the plan was to evacuate the people to the Superdome (which many did) and then they could return to their homes after the storm. Had the levees held, as they always had up to this point, that plan would have worked. Sadly, the levees did not hold and all Hell broke loose and FEMA was caught with its pants down and demostrated how inept it is. I mean we can get food and supplied to Pakistan in 12 hours and it takes four days in our own country. Give me a break.

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:08 PM
TO be fair, many if not the majority of the 100,000 who did not evacuate did not want to evacuate and refused to go to the Superdome, etc. I would say the number of people who totally could not evacuate was more like 10,000 if that. Remember, the plan was to evacuate the people to the Superdome (which many did) and then they could return to their homes after the storm. Had the levees held, as they always had up to this point, that plan would have worked. Sadly, the levees did not hold and all Hell broke loose and FEMA was caught with its pants down and demostrated how inept it is. I mean we can get food and supplied to Pakistan in 12 hours and it takes four days in our own country. Give me a break.

Must I post that picture of the buses? There is no excuse for that. They had next to no evacuation plan, they did very little to actually evacuate people, and they're just as much to blame for what happened as the federal government is due to one thing: inaction. They simply did very little to evacuate people. Whether people would have left or not is neither here nor there because they didn't gas up those buses, they did not provide those buses with drivers, and they did not roll around the city picking people up.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:12 PM
Must I post that picture of the buses? There is no excuse for that. They had next to no evacuation plan, they did very little to actually evacuate people, and they're just as much to blame for what happened as the federal government is due to one thing: inaction. They simply did very little to actually evacuate people. Whether people would have left or not is neither here nor there because they didn't gas up those buses, they did provide those buses with drivers, and they did not roll around the city picking people up.

I know about the buses, many of which BTW had been used earlier as the public transportation ran until Sunday. My point is many of those people were blocks from the Superdome and chose to ride out the storm instead of following instructions - it happens all of the time in hurricanes, trust me, I have witnessed it firsthand. Again, I am not talking about the people who literally could not leave their homes for a variety of reasons, those people were the ignored. I am talking about the able bodied people who no trouble leaving their houses after the storm and walking for blocks to loot non essential items.

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:14 PM
I am talking about the able bodied people who no trouble leaving their houses after the storm and walking for blocks to loot non essential items.

And those people do not make up the majority of people stranded and forgotten about.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:16 PM
And those people do not make up the majority of people stranded and forgotten about.

My point is that they were from neighborhoods adjacent to the Superdome area and they chose not to walk there prior to the storm.

In the end, people were foolishly stubborn and chose not to leave or evacuate to the Superdome. I am a little uncertain how you can argue against that with a straight face. You seem to be saying the city should have gone individually to 100,000 + people and made them evacuate, which I suggest is an impossible task.

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:20 PM
My point is that they were from neighborhoods adjacent to the Superdome area and they chose not to walk there prior to the storm.

And I'm sorry, but being told to simply go to the Superdome to be taken to safety is and was a **** plan.

In the end, people were foolishly stubborn and chose not to leave or evacuate to the Superdome. I am a little uncertain how you can argue against that with a straight face. You seem to be saying the city should have gone individually to 100,000 + people and made them evacuate, which I suggest is an impossible task.

Stop spinning. I'm suggesting that better plans should have been mapped out long ago, especially considering that government officials knew they were on such shaky ground with those levees and neighborhoods being below sea level. Telling people "Just go to the Superdome" is nothing short of ridiculous.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:24 PM
Ad I'm sorry, but being told to simply go to the Superdome to be taken to safety is and was a **** plan.

It worked in that they safely rode out the storm there :shrug: It was when the levees broke that the Dome became a nightmare.

Stop spinning. I'm suggesting that better plans should have been mapped out long ago, especially considering that government officials knew they were on such shaky ground with those levees and neighborhoods being below sea level. Telling people "Just go to the Superdome" is nothing short of ridiculous.

Again, the Dome worked as people rode out the storm in safety inside of it - it was the lack of the govt. response after the levees broke that lead to the chaos.

In the end, what were they supposed to do, handcuff the people refusing to leave and put them on a bus to Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, which seems kind of silly when the Superdome was built to withstand these storms, which it did relatively unscathed.

What would have been a suitable plan to you?

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:28 PM
It was when the levees broke that the Dome became a nightmare.

And that is what they should have prepared for. I do not buy the line that they couldn't have predicted the levees being breached.

In the end, what were they supposed to do, handcuff the people refusing to leave and put them on a bus to Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, which seems kind of silly when the Superdome was built to withstand these storms, which it did relatively unscathed.

Keep spinning. :laugh:

What would have been a suitable plan to you?

They should have had buses up and running, scheduled to pick up people at specific stops in each neighborhood for those willing to evacuate to start with.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:39 PM
I think we are talking about teo different things. The City of New Orleans asked peole to evauate in two ways:

1. Leave the city and go west to at least Baton Rouge.

or

2. If they could not leave because they had not car, etc. - they were to go to the Superdome as it was built as an evacuation shelter.

If you had to chose option 2, you had two days to get to the Dome and many thousands did and they did so by public transportation and other means. My point is many thousands who were able to evacuate did not because of the inconvenience and I think those people could have gotten there but just did not want to. Thus, those people are not the forgotten that they were referring to. They were instead the obstinate and in a deadly way in many cases. In the end, I think that if the able bodied people had listened to the evacuation warnings and gone to the Superdome they would have been better off than being stranded in a 100+ degree attic waiting for a chopper or boat to rescue them at the cost of a sick or frail person who could not evacuate dying while waiting for the evacuation of the able bodied people.

I am not saying that the poor and sick were taken care of properly, they were not - and I think that is pathetic. My beef is with the able bodied people who chose to stay being heralded as innocents in all this. They were part of the problem.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:41 PM
. . .

They should have had buses up and running, scheduled to pick up people at specific stops in each neighborhood for those willing to evacuate to start with.

They had that. The City buses were running on Sunday - why didn't the people get onto them and go to the dome :shrug: Plus, some other buses were being utilized and people were being gathered up.

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:41 PM
I think we are talking about teo different things. The City of New Orleans asked peole to evauate in two ways:

1. Leave the city and go west to at least Baton Rouge.

or

2. If they could not leave because they had not car, etc. - they were to go to the Superdome as it was built as an evacuation shelter.

If you had to chose option 2, you had two days to get to the Dome and many thousands did and they did so by public transportation and other means. My point is many thousands who were able to evacuate did not because of the inconvenience and I think those people could have gotten there but just did not want to. Thus, those people are not the forgotten that they were referring to. They were instead the obstinate and in a deadly way in many cases. In the end, I think that if the able bodied people had listened to the evacuation warnings and gone to the Superdome they would have been better off than being stranded in a 100+ degree attic waiting for a chopper or boat to rescue them at the cost of a sick or frail person who could not evacuate dying while waiting for the evacuation of the able bodied people.

I am not saying that the poor and sick were taken care of properly, they were not - and I think that is pathetic. My beef is with the able bodied people who chose to stay being heralded as innocents in all this. They were part of the problem.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the evacuation plans drawn up and the actions taken by the local government of New Orleans, I suppose.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:44 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the evacuation plans drawn up and the actions taken by the local government of New Orleans, I suppose.

But, you are not being clear. You wanted the people to have been put on buses and taken where? The Superdome was the safest place to go in NOLA :shrug: If yiou wanted them shipped out of town, that presents a larger problem in that where do you go with hundreds of thousands of people in two days.

dissention
10-13-2005, 11:47 PM
If yiou wanted them shipped out of town, that presents a larger problem in that where do you go with hundreds of thousands of people in two days.

Of course it presents a problem, but it presents an even bigger problem when no real evacuation plans are in place to get them out of town. Not to mention that the Superdome wasn't equipped to handle all of the people that were locked in there to begin with.

strandinthewind
10-13-2005, 11:54 PM
Of course it presents a problem, but it presents an even bigger problem when no real evacuation plans are in place to get them out of town. Not to mention that the Superdome wasn't equipped to handle all of the people that were locked in there to begin with.

The Superdome was built to be a temporary shelter, which was how it was used :rolleyes: Many of the hotels were also used and most had little damage - though some had lots of it.

In the end, I think the city should forceably remove people from the city.

wondergirl9847
10-14-2005, 12:12 AM
Post pics of a hottie or get the frick out of this thread!! :mad:

Thank you. :)

:laugh:

dissention
10-14-2005, 12:29 AM
Post pics of a hottie or get the frick out of this thread!! :mad:

Thank you. :)

:laugh:

I can't think of any new ones to post. :laugh: I suppose another gratuitous posting of Micahel Vartan is needed.

http://www.fan-sites.org/michael-vartan/pics/magazines/michael-vartan26.jpg

Moony
10-14-2005, 01:34 AM
I can't think of any new ones to post. :laugh: I suppose another gratuitous posting of Micahel Vartan is needed.

http://www.fan-sites.org/michael-vartan/pics/magazines/michael-vartan26.jpg
Why is he crying?

dissention
10-14-2005, 11:43 AM
Why is he crying?

:laugh:

Bennifer Part Deux must've finally got to him.

I just read he's coming back to Alias for three episodes, so I'm doing a happy dance.

Clayre
10-16-2005, 12:40 AM
OMG, I can't believe Towie posted my pic in the midst of all the movie star hunks. Sheesh.
:shocked:
:wavey:
Yeah, I saw your famous face in there, too!!!
You are looking hot & hunky :xoxo:
:wavey:

Wild_Heart03
10-16-2005, 04:44 AM
Jake Gyllenhaal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/_storiesforboys/jake009_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/_storiesforboys/jake_gyllenhaal_001_1.jpg

*swoon*

I remember there being an issue of Entertainment Weekly last summer with a picture similar to the 2nd one... I must've looked at that ALL the time, haha.