Favorite Shows That Pushed The Envelope

[darklinensuit]

What are some of your most beloved TV shows that hit the social taboos hard?

Some of mine include:
All In The Family
Roseanne
To a lesser extent, Murphy Brown

I have never seen Nip/Tuck.
I've seen a few episodes of Sex And The City & didn't really care for it. The brunette was the only one I liked (though I liked SJP in LA Story).
I know Maude will be a popular choice on this board, but I've seen only a couple of episodes.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I'll add that I recently rented all 7 episodes of Fat Actress. I liked all the episodes except for #s 5 and 6, which were terrible.
It's way too soon for me to say it's a favorite.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Fawlty Towers, of course, Kraut's and all.

I've never seen a whole episode. I think they air it here on PBS on Saturdays.


How about "favourite reasons to start a thread"?

How about explaining that one? :shrug:

- Jake

[diamondsnake]

The Jeffersons I love!
Three's Company (for it's time it was risque, right?)
Queer As Folk is pretty cool
Sex and the City is great!
Desperate Housewives
I Love Lucy (my favorite show of all time. I can include it in this list because Lucy was pregnant and that was considered pushing the envelope back then)

[darklinensuit]

The Jeffersons I love!
Three's Company (for it's time it was risque, right?)
Queer As Folk is pretty cool
Sex and the City is great!
Desperate Housewives
I Love Lucy (my favorite show of all time. I can include it in this list because Lucy was pregnant and that was considered pushing the envelope back then)

I almost listed The Jeffersons but didn't think it really fit. But you're right, the whole mixed marriage thing was definitely pushing the envelope at the time.

If I remember, Carol Brady was the first character to say the word pregnant on the air, & she & Mike were the first to share a bed. Lucy & Ricky had two beds pushed together for awhile, I know.

- Jake

[diamondsnake]

Carol and Mike's inuendo was really pushing the envelope back then, now that you mention it.

And back in the 50's, did couples really sleep in seperate beds? That seems crazy!

[darklinensuit]

Carol and Mike's inuendo was really pushing the envelope back then, now that you mention it.

And back in the 50's, did couples really sleep in seperate beds? That seems crazy!

That and not being allowed to say pregnant.
I heard these Brady first in an interview with Florence Henderson years ago, so who knows how reliable her claims are.

- Jake

[Mari]

The L-Word!
Grace Under Fire, would that one count?
and there's others, on the tip of my tongue, so I'll have to add them later when the caffeine kicks in.

[DownOnRodeo]

<i>Seinfeld</i>! And of course <i>Curb Your Enthusiasm</i>. They expose the taboos and unwritten etiquette of our daily lives and make a mockery of it all!

[Wild_Heart03]

Most definitely 'Roseanne', that show really aimed to test the limits of network television. And 'Will and Grace', that should count right? Back in the early 90s, I think NBC would have preferred to die then show a sitcom with openly gay characters.

[catinthedark]

I think Buffy had the first on-screen kiss between a lesbian couple on network TV. It was also the first to show a lesbian sex scene (I'm not sure if it's really a 'sex' scene, though) on network TV.

Didn't Roseanne do one really early on, too? I seem to remember a big hype around it, and some ABC affiliates refused to air the episode. It turned out to be a really big nothing moment. ER also did one fairly early on - back when ER was groundbreaking... I never saw Buffy, though, so I have no time reference of when it was on in relation to Roseanne and ER.. Could have been years before and I'd never have known it. :)

[all the same]

Northern Exposure (at the time, it was pretty ground breaking and envelope pushing)

Six Feet Undahhhhh

Curb Your Enthusiasm (everything Larry does pushes the envelope)

Home Movies (an alcoholic soccer coach? come on now! hilarious!)

Strangers With Candy (a 46 year old highshool drop out and former prostitute and junkie returns to high school to start over again!)

South Park (don't even need to comment)

Chapelle's Show (the African American KKK leader!)

Queer as Folk (British Series - WAY better writing and far superior characters)

Arrested Development (everything about this show pushes the envelope!)

[chiliD]

The Milton Berle Show
The Tonight Show
I Love Lucy
The Prisoner
All In The Family
ER (the "live" episode)
Saturday Night Live
Twin Peaks
The Simpsons
South Park
Reno 911

[DrummerDeanna]

OMG - Strangers with Candy was F***ing hilarious!!!

Roseanne
I Love Lucy
Maude
L Word
My So-Called Life

[GardenStateGirlie]

I can't think of many more other than what was already mentioned. However, I'll add Married With Children and The Sopranos to the list.

[all the same]

OMG - Strangers with Candy was F***ing hilarious!!!

Roseanne
I Love Lucy
Maude
L Word
My So-Called Life

Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.

Yeah, and Roseanne is a great show too. I think it's coming out on DVD soon.

[all the same]

Golden Girls tackled some issues on their show. Remember Dorothy's lesbian friend who came to stay with them. She fell in love with Rose. For the time, that was really ground breaking material. It's tame by today's standards, but that was some risky stuff for a popular sitcom to address.

[wondergirl9847]

Chilid mentioned mine...Twin Peaks. The character that the series was based on, Laura Palmer, was murdered by her father who was possessed by the demon(?), BOB. Well, there are a trazillion interpretations of BOB and her father, Leland. Also, she was pretty whore-y because of it, and worked as a prostitute in Canada. Her father molested her, it's just crazy. There is more craziness, but yeah, TP pushed the envelope.

[DrummerDeanna]

Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.



I finally went to buy it - and it's out of print now - therefore insanely expensive everywhere I've found it (on-line) ugh SO frustrating :mad:

I LOVED that show so much...that Christmas episode with Julianna Hatfield? Oh - so heart wrenching...

[ReFleetwoodMac]

Family Guy?

[darklinensuit]

The L-Word!
Grace Under Fire, would that one count?
and there's others, on the tip of my tongue, so I'll have to add them later when the caffeine kicks in.

I had never heard of the show the L-Word. I honestly thought you meant Liberal. :laugh:

I didn't watch Grace Under Fire; how did it push the envelope?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

<i>Seinfeld</i>! And of course <i>Curb Your Enthusiasm</i>. They expose the taboos and unwritten etiquette of our daily lives and make a mockery of it all!

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :shrug:

- Jake

[chiliD]

Sigh... My So-Called Life.

Yeah!! I kept thinking before I posted that there was one other one that I couldn't think of...this was IT! :thumbsup:

I missed it when it was on network TV in the 90's, but caught up with the whole series when it was on the "N" channel last year.

Isn't about time for a "reunion show" or something? :nod:

BTW...anyone catch the series on the Trio channel called Brilliant, But Cancelled? They show TV series that were way ahead of their time and were canceled after just a few episodes or in some cases one season.

[darklinensuit]

Most definitely 'Roseanne', that show really aimed to test the limits of network television. And 'Will and Grace', that should count right? Back in the early 90s, I think NBC would have preferred to die then show a sitcom with openly gay characters.

Roseanne had so many: gays, farting in public, parental abuse all come to mind.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I think Buffy had the first on-screen kiss between a lesbian couple on network TV. It was also the first to show a lesbian sex scene (I'm not sure if it's really a 'sex' scene, though) on network TV.

No wonder I've had several students who love this show. I always wondered.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Didn't Roseanne do one really early on, too? I seem to remember a big hype around it, and some ABC affiliates refused to air the episode. It turned out to be a really big nothing moment. ER also did one fairly early on - back when ER was groundbreaking... I never saw Buffy, though, so I have no time reference of when it was on in relation to Roseanne and ER.. Could have been years before and I'd never have known it. :)

If I remember the Roseanne one, you just saw the back of Mariel Heminway's head, not the real kiss, and there was controversy about it.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

South Park (don't even need to comment)

Sweet! ;)
That Steviegoat is a major issue in our society. :nod: ;)

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

The Milton Berle Show
The Tonight Show
I Love Lucy
The Prisoner
All In The Family
ER (the "live" episode)
Saturday Night Live
Twin Peaks
The Simpsons
South Park
Reno 911

Don't think I've heard of The Prisoner.

I do remember when Gloria's rape, Edith's attempted rape, & Maude's abortion were all the talk.

The Simpsons is a great choice as well.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

OMG - Strangers with Candy was F***ing hilarious!!!
L Word
My So-Called Life

Never saw these three.
(What, no Little House? Are you forgetting that one where Mrs. Olsen was turning tricks for opium? :shrug: ;) )

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I can't think of many more other than what was already mentioned. However, I'll add Married With Children and The Sopranos to the list.

Okay, Peg. :cool:
(Another reason I hated the early '90s.)

Still haven't seen The Sopranos.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.

Yeah, and Roseanne is a great show too. I think it's coming out on DVD soon.

I'm surprised to hear that Roseanne isn't out on DVD yet. It was such a big show, & so many lesser ones have been out awhile. I would guess the delay has something to do with syndication, but Seinfeld is a newer show & is out.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Golden Girls tackled some issues on their show. Remember Dorothy's lesbian friend who came to stay with them. She fell in love with Rose. For the time, that was really ground breaking material. It's tame by today's standards, but that was some risky stuff for a popular sitcom to address.

Rose was Betty White, right?
I just remember all the publicity that the show got for implying that single old ladies on TV could have sex & not be slutty (other than the Rue character).

- Jake

[chiliD]

Don't think I've heard of The Prisoner.

The Prisoner...info (http://www.taphilo.com/theprisoner/index.shtml)

[Mari]

I had never heard of the show the L-Word. I honestly thought you meant Liberal. :laugh:

I didn't watch Grace Under Fire; how did it push the envelope?

- Jake

lol! The L-word (http://www.thelwordonline.com/) is a lesbian Sex In The City, or so they call it (I hardly ever watched SITC so I couldn't say).
It's very addictive, like a soap opera:D

Grace Under Fire: about a divorced from abusive man ex-alcoholic mum with two kids, and that in comedy form. Pretty black humor, I think, that's why I loved it.

[darklinensuit]

Chilid mentioned mine...Twin Peaks. The character that the series was based on, Laura Palmer, was murdered by her father who was possessed by the demon(?), BOB. Well, there are a trazillion interpretations of BOB and her father, Leland. Also, she was pretty whore-y because of it, and worked as a prostitute in Canada. Her father molested her, it's just crazy. There is more craziness, but yeah, TP pushed the envelope.

That show was a big deal & then just fell off suddenly when they revealed the mystery.
I remember Lara Flynn Boyle being on the show, and at the time her skull was under her skin.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Family Guy?

There is actually a Family Guy Club at my school. :shocked:
I just learned that Alex Boorstein (Miss Swan) is the wife.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Okay, Peg. :cool:
(Another reason I hated the early '90s.)

Still haven't seen The Sopranos.

- Jake

Okay, Buck :cool:

The Sopranos was much better its first few seasons. I haven't seen the last two seasons that have been on. The acting is superb though.

[darklinensuit]

BTW...anyone catch the series on the Trio channel called Brilliant, But Cancelled? They show TV series that were way ahead of their time and were canceled after just a few episodes or in some cases one season.

I would love this.
What did they have that we haven't included yet?

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

Never saw these three.
(What, no Little House? Are you forgetting that one where Mrs. Olsen was turning tricks for opium? :shrug: ;) )

- Jake


:laugh: and *shudder* at the thought of Mrs. Olsen turning tricks for anything.

Now Little House did tackle issues such as blindness, alcoholism, death, bear-maulings, marriage issues and drug addiction!!!

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L-Word is billed as a lesbian Sex and the City - but it's not. It's quite different if you ask me.

I like both - the L Word, as Mari pointed out, is more soap-opera-esque. And the L-Word is great because the "L-word" isn't neccessarily "lesbian" The old intro (Season one) had all these "L-words": laugh, love, longing, liberal etc...

[DrummerDeanna]

Rose was Betty White, right?
I just remember all the publicity that the show got for implying that single old ladies on TV could have sex & not be slutty (other than the Rue character).

- Jake


:laugh: Yeah - and there's a hilarious scene in one of the shows where the three women buy condoms...it's HILARIOUS!!!!

[darklinensuit]

The Prisoner...info (http://www.taphilo.com/theprisoner/index.shtml)

Interesting. Thanks.

Something about the description made me think of Star Trek - didn't it have TV's first interracial kiss - Kirk & Ohura (sp.)?

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Sigh... My So-Called Life. I think that is my all time favorite show. The writing in that show, the characters are so complex and unique. Each character is different in their thinking and approach to life. I have it on DVD. Perhaps it's time to drag it off the shelf for the 20th time! Swoon.

Yeah, and Roseanne is a great show too. I think it's coming out on DVD soon.

I really wish they'd reair My So-Called Life -- the cast was out of this world, the acting amazing and the storylines well written.

I still watch Roseanne late at night on Nick.

[hayley]

I would love this.
What did they have that we haven't included yet?

- Jake
I remember seeing them show Profit and Action, which both totally fit into this category.

I'll chime in in agreement for Arrested Development. Absolutely radically different than any comedy on now or before it. It's also the only show I can think of which such a consistent humorous fixation on incest!

[darklinensuit]

lol! The L-word (http://www.thelwordonline.com/) is a lesbian Sex In The City, or so they call it (I hardly ever watched SITC so I couldn't say).
It's very addictive, like a soap opera:D

Grace Under Fire: about a divorced from abusive man ex-alcoholic mum with two kids, and that in comedy form. Pretty black humor, I think, that's why I loved it.

That's right, I do remember reading about the abuse premise on GUF.

I'm assuming The L-Word is a cable show. And that Mr. Big takes batteries. ;) :angel: )

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Okay, Buck :cool:

The Sopranos was much better its first few seasons. I haven't seen the last two seasons that have been on. The acting is superb though.

I would imagine it is, with all the awards it has garnered.

- Jake

[skcin]

There is actually a Family Guy Club at my school. :shocked:
I just learned that Alex Boorstein (Miss Swan) is the wife.

- Jake


I love Family Guy. One of the few shows that makes me laugh out loud really hard anymore.

Another tidbit - Mila Kunis (Jackie from That 70's Show) is Meg, the daughter.

[darklinensuit]

:laugh: and *shudder* at the thought of Mrs. Olsen turning tricks for anything.

Now Little House did tackle issues such as blindness, alcoholism, death, bear-maulings, marriage issues and drug addiction!!!

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L-Word is billed as a lesbian Sex and the City - but it's not. It's quite different if you ask me.

I like both - the L Word, as Mari pointed out, is more soap-opera-esque. And the L-Word is great because the "L-word" isn't neccessarily "lesbian" The old intro (Season one) had all these "L-words": laugh, love, longing, liberal etc...

I do remember watching Mary go blind. I loved her in that horrible TV movie Midnight Offerings where she's the evil witch harassing the Waltons daughter.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I love Family Guy. One of the few shows that makes me laugh out loud really hard anymore.

Another tidbit - Mila Kunis (Jackie from That 70's Show) is Meg, the daughter.

"damn you broccoli and damn the Wright brothers for inventing the plane!"

"867-5309..DAMN YOU TOMMY TUTONE!"

I love Stewy :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

:laugh: Yeah - and there's a hilarious scene in one of the shows where the three women buy condoms...it's HILARIOUS!!!!

Never saw that. When you say three, I'm guessing Estelle Getty wasn't one of them?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I really wish they'd reair My So-Called Life -- the cast was out of this world, the acting amazing and the storylines well written.

I still watch Roseanne late at night on Nick.

Comes on from 1-2 AM on the WB here. Watched it over dinner last nightthis morning. :nod: :cool:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I remember seeing them show Profit and Action, which both totally fit into this category.

I'll chime in in agreement for Arrested Development. Absolutely radically different than any comedy on now or before it. It's also the only show I can think of which such a consistent humorous fixation on incest!

Never heard of Profit & Action. Description?

I watched the first couple of episodes of Arrested Development.

I'm not sure what made me think of it, but I'm surprised that nobody here listed (unless I missed it) Absolutely Fabulous. I still have never caught it, but I remember there was some serious fanaticism on this board.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I would imagine it is, with all the awards it has garnered.

- Jake

There were some portions of the series that were unnecessarily violent that were sort of a turn off but other than that, the relationships between everyone and Tony's own inner issues were what kept me tuning in. There are a lot of NJ Italians offended by the show (so much so that they wanted it taken off of the air). I don't find it offensive in that way -- it's not portraying the normal Italian family (if there are any normal Italian families :laugh: ) -- it's a bunch of mobsters.

[sparky]

SOAP

Roseanne

All In The Family

Good Times

SFU

SITC

QAF ( UK not the Showtime garbage)

Sopranos

[darklinensuit]

I love Family Guy. One of the few shows that makes me laugh out loud really hard anymore.

Another tidbit - Mila Kunis (Jackie from That 70's Show) is Meg, the daughter.

I did read that. BTW, is it pronounced Mee-lah, Mill-uh, Mye-la, or something else?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

There were some portions of the series that were unnecessarily violent that were sort of a turn off but other than that, the relationships between everyone and Tony's own inner issues were what kept me tuning in. There are a lot of NJ Italians offended by the show (so much so that they wanted it taken off of the air). I don't find it offensive in that way -- it's not portraying the normal Italian family (if there are any normal Italian families :laugh: ) -- it's a bunch of mobsters.

Reminding me, ever see the Everybody Loves Raymond where Marie doesn't realize she sculpted a vagina? :lol:

- Jake

[amber]

I did read that. BTW, is it pronounced Mee-lah, Mill-uh, Mye-la, or something else?

- Jake
The first one. Oh, and Ellen pushed the envelope for a few episodes.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I'm not sure what made me think of it, but I'm surprised that nobody here listed (unless I missed it) Absolutely Fabulous. I still have never caught it, but I remember there was some serious fanaticism on this board.

- Jake

I guess I failed to mention it because it really didn't catch on here until a few years after it initially aired in the UK (and was only showed on Comedy Central until we got BBC America). It certainly does push the envelope and is a riot. You should rent the first season -- you'd probably enjoy it.

"When I heard that Eds was pregnant I told her to abort...ABORT ABORT! CHUCK IT DOWN THE DUSTBIN AND BRING ME..."
"A knitting needle?"
"A KNITTING NEEDLE!!" :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

SOAP

Roseanne

All In The Family

Good Times

SFU

SITC

QAF ( UK not the Showtime garbage)

Sopranos

Good Times. I remember Esther Rolle used to fight with the producers & network because she thought they were glamourizing her role/ghetto life. Great theme song. (I mean Dy-No-Mite theme song :cool: )

Haven't seen Soap, but I know it has quite a following & Billy Crystal was on it. Katharine Helmond always looks the same.

What are SFU, SITC, QAF?

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Reminding me, ever see the Everybody Loves Raymond where Marie doesn't realize she sculpted a vagina? :lol:

- Jake

....and then it ends up in the living room :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

The first one. Oh, and Ellen pushed the envelope for a few episodes.

Speaking of being all the talk. Rough times.

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

That's right, I do remember reading about the abuse premise on GUF.

I'm assuming The L-Word is a cable show. And that Mr. Big takes batteries. ;) :angel: )

- Jake


Mr. Big doesn't take batteries - and his name actually has nothing to do with his member :D

And the L-Word is on Showtime...SATC was on HBO...oh yeah -so it's on "premium cable" :p

[darklinensuit]

....and then it ends up in the living room :laugh:

"Oh my God. I'm a lesbian." :eek: :lol:

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

Never saw that. When you say three, I'm guessing Estelle Getty wasn't one of them?

- Jake


No - I'm thinking the condom buying was in a flashback episode and not part of a whole ep. But Estelle was not with them buying condoms.

[skcin]

I used to love Soap & Good Times. Haven't seen either in years, though.

[darklinensuit]

Mr. Big doesn't take batteries - and his name actually has nothing to do with his member :D


I meant if The L-Word is a version of Sex & The City. :lol:

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

"Oh my God. I'm a lesbian." :eek: :lol:

- Jake


"Holy Crap!!"


...I love that episode...lol Frank can't stop staring at the sculpture....:laugh:

[darklinensuit]

No - I'm thinking the condom buying was in a flashback episode and not part of a whole ep. But Estelle was not with them buying condoms.

Geez, please tell me she used protection. :lol:

In all fairness, we must mention Different Strokes, Arnold & Dudley being almost molested. And Arnold just saying no to the First Lady. (Not that the latter was controversial.)

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

I meant if The L-Word is a version of Sex & The City. :lol:

- Jake


OH!! :laugh: Ok - that flew right over my head...but I'm short, so that does tend to happen from time to time :p

[darklinensuit]

"Holy Crap!!"


...I love that episode...lol Frank can't stop staring at the sculpture....:laugh:

And neither can Geoffrey. :lol:

And Marie wants to put it in their bedroom. :lol:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

OH!! :laugh: Ok - that flew right over my head...but I'm short, so that does tend to happen from time to time :p

Wait, Mr. Big flies, too? You sure there are no batteries? ;) :p

- Jake

[AliceLover]

....and then it ends up in the living room :laugh:

That had to be one of the funniest moments on the show when Marie wheels it into the living room and takes off the curtain :shocked:

Hilarious!

Did anyone see the episode where they drive the car through the house?

Anyway Roseanne and South Park are 2 of my favorite shows that pushed the envelope. The last episode of Roseanne is so sad.

[Mari]

I meant if The L-Word is a version of Sex & The City.

OH!! :laugh: Ok - that flew right over my head...but I'm short, so that does tend to happen from time to time :p

uh.. I only got that one right now too! :lol:

but I don't know much about SITC, that should be an excuse;)

[darklinensuit]

That had to be one of the funniest moments on the show when Marie wheels it into the living room and takes off the curtain :shocked:

Hilarious!

Did anyone see the episode where they drive the car through the house?

Anyway Roseanne and South Park are 2 of my favorite shows that pushed the envelope. The last episode of Roseanne is so sad.

That last episode was really panned, but I thought it was fine.

The car through the house was a classic. "I can see a house!" :laugh:

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

LOVE the car episode lol - that show just cracks me up.

I actually liked the episode that aired the week before the finale - the one where Robert smoked with Pat, Amy's mom - it was damn funny.

[AliceLover]

That last episode was really panned, but I thought it was fine.

The car through the house was a classic. "I can see a house!" :laugh:

- Jake

I bought the last episode on dvd for like 6 bucks. "Ok they had trouble bringing Ray out of surgery"

Marie: "WHAT!" "My son almost dies and you don't tell me"

"Hey come here a minute" :laugh:

[AliceLover]

LOVE the car episode lol - that show just cracks me up.

I actually liked the episode that aired the week before the finale - the one where Robert smoked with Pat, Amy's mom - it was damn funny.

I heard that one was good, gotta see it!

[DrummerDeanna]

I bought the last episode on dvd for like 6 bucks. "Ok they had trouble bringing Ray out of surgery"

Marie: "WHAT!" "My son almost dies and you don't tell me"

"Hey come here a minute" :laugh:


That moment with Debra and Robert in the hospital had me crying - that was a good moment - I think the last ep was less of a laugh fest and more of a "this family really do mean a lot to one another" kind of thing.

"I knew this would happen one day" as Marie is lying in bed next to Raymond :laugh:

[AliceLover]

That moment with Debra and Robert in the hospital had me crying - that was a good moment - I think the last ep was less of a laugh fest and more of a "this family really do mean a lot to one another" kind of thing.

"I knew this would happen one day" as Marie is lying in bed next to Raymond :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh:

I thought Robert was particularly funny in this episode.

"Raymond has his adnoids out and the whole world has to stop"

[dudden22]

Six Feet Under
Roseanne
Queer as Folk
Sex and The City
All in The Family
Will and Grace (The first few seasons were great, then I don't know what the hell happened.

[chiliD]

I would love this.
What did they have that we haven't included yet?

- Jake

Kolchak: The Night Stalker
(believe it or not) My Mother The Car
EZ Streets (1997 series starring Ken Olin of thirtysomething & Joe Pantoliano from The Sopranos)
Lateline
The Ernie Kovacs Show
The Famous Teddy Z
Now & Again
Gun
East Side/West Side
Buffalo Bill (also a personal fave)
Action (a 1999 Fox comedy narrated by ex-Conin O'Brien sidekick Andy Richter)


Oh...a couple more shows I thought of while researching this:

X-FILES!!!!

And

the above mentioned thirtysomething

[StevieNicksEO17]

Sorry if I'm mentioned things that people have said already, but I don't want to read through 6 pages!

The Golden Girls
Roseanne
All in the Family
The Brady Bunch
The Wonder Years
Three's Company

EDIT: Ta da.

[skcin]

^ I gotta ask - how did Growing Pains push the envelope? Or Cheers or The Nanny? Or Peewee? :shrug:

[DrummerDeanna]

^ I gotta ask - how did Growing Pains push the envelope? Or Cheers or The Nanny? Or Peewee? :shrug:


The Nanny advocated for people with really annoying voices ;)

[amber]

The Nanny advocated for people with really annoying voices ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
*god, I hate that lady*

[darklinensuit]

LOVE the car episode lol - that show just cracks me up.

I actually liked the episode that aired the week before the finale - the one where Robert smoked with Pat, Amy's mom - it was damn funny.

ANYTHING with her is hilarious.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I bought the last episode on dvd for like 6 bucks. "Ok they had trouble bringing Ray out of surgery"

Marie: "WHAT!" "My son almost dies and you don't tell me"

"Hey come here a minute" :laugh:

I thought the last episode was disappointing. IMO the first two episodes of the season - with Frank & Marie moving away & then moving right back - would have been the best finale. Plus those two episodes were funny.

- Jake

[StevieNicksEO17]

^ I gotta ask - how did Growing Pains push the envelope? Or Cheers or The Nanny? Or Peewee? :shrug:

They don't! I just kinda named my favorites :o

[darklinensuit]

I heard that one was good, gotta see it!

The show is on in syndication a few times a day here, and, I imagine, everywhere.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Will and Grace (The first few seasons were great, then I don't know what the hell happened.

I never liked the show, but they sure like their guest star celebs, don't they.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Kolchak: The Night Stalker
(believe it or not) My Mother The Car
EZ Streets (1997 series starring Ken Olin of thirtysomething & Joe Pantoliano from The Sopranos)
Lateline
The Ernie Kovacs Show
The Famous Teddy Z
Now & Again
Gun
East Side/West Side
Buffalo Bill (also a personal fave)
Action (a 1999 Fox comedy narrated by ex-Conin O'Brien sidekick Andy Richter)


Oh...a couple more shows I thought of while researching this:

X-FILES!!!!

And

the above mentioned thirtysomething

I remember Buffalo Bill. The press was aflutter over whether the public would buy into a main character who wasn't likeable.

What on earth was groundbreaking on My Mother The Car?

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

I thought the last episode was disappointing. IMO the first two episodes of the season - with Frank & Marie moving away & then moving right back - would have been the best finale. Plus those two episodes were funny.

- Jake


:nod: I loved those too - with the weight machine and Robert saying, "You don't even know what this is..."

Marie: "Yes I do! It's a sex machine!!!" :laugh:

I feel SO bad for Robert and Amy in those eps though...

[darklinensuit]

Cheers (Second Best!!)
The Nanny
Growing Pains


I'm not getting these three. How were they pushing taboos? (I'm not attacking your choices, I just don't understand.)

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

^ I gotta ask - how did Growing Pains push the envelope? Or Cheers or The Nanny? Or Peewee? :shrug:

LOL we had the same reaction. :lol:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

:nod: I loved those too - with the weight machine and Robert saying, "You don't even know what this is..."

Marie: "Yes I do! It's a sex machine!!!" :laugh:

I feel SO bad for Robert and Amy in those eps though...

Please, it was a great premise to have F & M asked to leave their new place.

As far as feeling bad for Robert, the best are his FBI interview & the one where he finds out at the end that it's his birthday. :lol:

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

Please, it was a great premise to have F & M asked to leave their new place.

As far as feeling bad for Robert, the best are his FBI interview & the one where he finds out at the end that it's his birthday. :lol:

- Jake


Oh no - that premise WAS hilarious - and so typical - Frank and Marie are just horrid people :laugh:

Oh - The FBI interview one - ugh - I can't watch that one anymore - Marie is just over the top - same with Robert's wedding - there are episoded where Marie pisses me off SO much.

[Hawkeye]

What about the one where Frank gives out condoms as Halloween cany by mistake for edgy And then ray gets one of them back and it turns out to really be a chocalate coin :laugh:

[skcin]

They don't! I just kinda named my favorites :o


Jessica! Pay attention to the thread title or I'll have to send you to the principal's office! :laugh:

JK, I figured that's what you did, but then I was like "maybe I missed something really groundbreaking on these shows - I'd better find out!"

[Hawkeye]

:nod: I loved those too - with the weight machine and Robert saying, "You don't even know what this is..."

Marie: "Yes I do! It's a sex machine!!!" :laugh:

I feel SO bad for Robert and Amy in those eps though...

And then he sits in it and it hits him in the groin :laugh: I loved that episode. Although I think they ended the right way. It was basically just another episode, with a little more emotion. But it was still hilarious. Marie jumping in bed with Ray was one of the funniest things in the show ever. And then my personal favorite moment was Ray jumping up and down rubbing himself and then Robert walks in and says "I guess now we'll watch Raymond do ANYTHING" :laugh:

[dudden22]

I never liked the show, but they sure like their guest star celebs, don't they.

- Jake

Yep, ever since they forgot what good writing was. Now they depend on guest stars and lame double entedres.

[darklinensuit]

What about the one where Frank gives out condoms as Halloween cany by mistake for edgy And then ray gets one of them back and it turns out to really be a chocalate coin :laugh:

And Debra on the phone with a neighbor, explaining that it wasn't a political statement. :lol:

- Jake

[StevieNicksEO17]

Jessica! Pay attention to the thread title or I'll have to send you to the principal's office! :laugh:

JK, I figured that's what you did, but then I was like "maybe I missed something really groundbreaking on these shows - I'd better find out!"

LOL Okay. I shall go back and fix it. I've been to the principal's office too many times and I care not to go back. :p

[darklinensuit]

Oh no - that premise WAS hilarious - and so typical - Frank and Marie are just horrid people :laugh:

Oh - The FBI interview one - ugh - I can't watch that one anymore - Marie is just over the top - same with Robert's wedding - there are episoded where Marie pisses me off SO much.

Marie is my favorite part of the show. I laugh the hardest when she's like that.
Being rolled in the chair to the family photo, complaining that Twister was a sex game, choosing Frank's next spouse. And remember Marie's "intervention" with Robert's exes & his police partner episode? "What is with this man and onions?" :laugh:

- Jake

[catinthedark]

I really wish they'd reair My So-Called Life -- the cast was out of this world, the acting amazing and the storylines well written.

They just re-aired My So-Called Life here on the Family channel - every night at 11:30pm... they aired it without commercials. I loved this show SO much the first time around - I couldn't understand why it got cancelled. I loved Rayanne and Ricky the most. I wanted to BE Rayanne! :laugh:

Another show I loved but that didn't last long - and sorta pushed the envelope - was Once and Again. That show with the impossibly beautful Sela Ward and Billy Campbell - only lasted 2 esasons I tihnk. Where I thought they were especially brilliant and did something no other series had done was in their portrayal of anorexia. Evan Rachel Wood was absolutely brilliant, and it was the most realistic portrayal of it I've ever seen. I loved this show so much - made me bawl. :o Their portrayal of divorce and stepfamilies was also very realistic.

[darklinensuit]

They just re-aired My So-Called Life here on the Family channel - every night at 11:30pm... they aired it without commercials. I loved this show SO much the first time around - I couldn't understand why it got cancelled. I loved Rayanne and Ricky the most. I wanted to BE Rayanne! :laugh:

Another show I loved but that didn't last long - and sorta pushed the envelope - was Once and Again. That show with the impossibly beautful Sela Ward and Billy Campbell - only lasted 2 esasons I tihnk. Where I thought they were especially brilliant and did something no other series had done was in their portrayal of anorexia. Evan Rachel Wood was absolutely brilliant, and it was the most realistic portrayal of it I've ever seen. I loved this show so much - made me bawl. :o Their portrayal of divorce and stepfamilies was also very realistic.

Never saw Once & Again, but my mom liked it.

Hey, nobody has mentioned Cagney And Lacey. Dealt with cancer, alcoholism, discrimination in the workplace.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

LOL Okay. I shall go back and fix it. I've been to the principal's office too many times and I care not to go back. :p

And here we were all getting our paddles down from the wall. :distress:

- Jake

[catinthedark]

Never saw Once & Again, but my mom liked it.

Hey, nobody has mentioned Cagney And Lacey. Dealt with cancer, alcoholism, discrimination in the workplace.

- Jake


LOVED Cagney and Lacey!! I was about 13 or 14 when it was on - wouldn't miss an episode. My family thought I was weird.

[chiliD]

What on earth was groundbreaking on My Mother The Car?

A talking 1928 Porter convertible? :lol:

I have no definite idea....

Jerry Van Dyke turned down the role of Gilligan because he already had gotten the lead roll in MMTC.

The creators/writers Allan Burns & Chris Hayward went on to create & write for the Mary Tyler Moore Show

[darklinensuit]

LOVED Cagney and Lacey!! I was about 13 or 14 when it was on - wouldn't miss an episode. My family thought I was weird.

I thought the theme song was great. One of my favorites ever.

- Jake

[skcin]

^ Once & Again was a great show!

[darklinensuit]

A talking 1928 Porter convertible? :lol:

I have no definite idea....

Jerry Van Dyke turned down the role of Gilligan because he already had gotten the lead roll in MMTC.

The creators/writers Allan Burns & Chris Hayward went on to create & write for the Mary Tyler Moore Show

I know it's been ranked the worst show ever more than once. Was it Anne Southern who was the car? I've never seen the show.

- Jake

[Hawkeye]

Marie is my favorite part of the show. I laugh the hardest when she's like that.
Being rolled in the chair to the family photo, complaining that Twister was a sex game, choosing Frank's next spouse. And remember Marie's "intervention" with Robert's exes & his police partner episode? "What is with this man and onions?" :laugh:

- Jake

And the thing is, Marie can do some downright Horrible things, but I dont think her OR Frank are horrible people at all. The biggest complaint about the show is that the characters arent likeable. I like all 5 of them (almost equally) And all 5 are freaking devious people. My favorite is when Debra gets sneaky and coneiving, because shes always portrayed to be the one taking th ehigh road. The best example of this is the amazing Canister episode :laugh: And they're all the biggest bunch of liars in the world :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

Another show I loved but that didn't last long - and sorta pushed the envelope - was Once and Again. That show with the impossibly beautful Sela Ward and Billy Campbell - only lasted 2 esasons I tihnk. Where I thought they were especially brilliant and did something no other series had done was in their portrayal of anorexia. Evan Rachel Wood was absolutely brilliant, and it was the most realistic portrayal of it I've ever seen. I loved this show so much - made me bawl. :o Their portrayal of divorce and stepfamilies was also very realistic.

I loved Once and Again. I like just about everything Sela Ward does.

[darklinensuit]

And the thing is, Marie can do some downright Horrible things, but I dont think her OR Frank are horrible people at all. The biggest complaint about the show is that the characters arent likeable. I like all 5 of them (almost equally) And all 5 are freaking devious people. My favorite is when Debra gets sneaky and coneiving, because shes always portrayed to be the one taking th ehigh road. The best example of this is the amazing Canister episode :laugh: And they're all the biggest bunch of liars in the world :laugh:

Yeah, I always thought Debra was the Mike Stivic of the bunch. You agree with him but like him less than the nuts.

Hate to say it, but Frank & Marie are very much like my folks - only I live far from them, & my mom isn't too great of a cook. :shocked:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I loved Once and Again. I like just about everything Sela Ward does.

My grandmother used to watch some military sopa opera that featured a young Sela Ward, so I knew who she was from an early age. Can't say she's ever done a show I'd watch. Remember that show Sisters? (puke)

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

They just re-aired My So-Called Life here on the Family channel - every night at 11:30pm... they aired it without commercials. I loved this show SO much the first time around - I couldn't understand why it got cancelled. I loved Rayanne and Ricky the most. I wanted to BE Rayanne! :laugh:

Another show I loved but that didn't last long - and sorta pushed the envelope - was Once and Again. That show with the impossibly beautful Sela Ward and Billy Campbell - only lasted 2 esasons I tihnk. Where I thought they were especially brilliant and did something no other series had done was in their portrayal of anorexia. Evan Rachel Wood was absolutely brilliant, and it was the most realistic portrayal of it I've ever seen. I loved this show so much - made me bawl. :o Their portrayal of divorce and stepfamilies was also very realistic.

Oh wow -- i'll have to check it out. I didn't know they were reairing them.

One And Again was AMAZING. It pissed me off when they cancelled the show. Evan Rachel Wood is a great young actress. If you've never seen it, rent the movie Thirteen. The other girl who stars in the film, Nikki Reed, actually wrote it (she's only 17 I think).

[CreepingDeath]

"damn you broccoli and damn the Wright brothers for inventing the plane!"

"867-5309..DAMN YOU TOMMY TUTONE!"

I love Stewy :laugh:

That's Stewart Gilligan Griffin to you.


I'm fashionably late to this thread, so I'll just add my favs:

Nip/Tuck -I can't wait for the new season starting in September.
Family Guy <3
The Simpsons
Roseanne
The Golden Girls
My So Called Life

[DrummerDeanna]

And the thing is, Marie can do some downright Horrible things, but I dont think her OR Frank are horrible people at all. The biggest complaint about the show is that the characters arent likeable. I like all 5 of them (almost equally) And all 5 are freaking devious people. My favorite is when Debra gets sneaky and coneiving, because shes always portrayed to be the one taking th ehigh road. The best example of this is the amazing Canister episode :laugh: And they're all the biggest bunch of liars in the world :laugh:


You're right actually - they're not horrible people - but they do horrible things - Marie just makes me cringe sometimes.

I LOVE Debra - and I love the canister episode...

But the one ep. that really, I think shows a lot - the suitcase episode :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

That's Stewart Gilligan Griffin to you.


I'm fashionably late to this thread, so I'll just add my favs:

Nip/Tuck -I can't wait for the new season starting in September.
Family Guy <3
The Simpsons
Roseanne
The Golden Girls
My So Called Life

:xoxo: I love that show.

Nip/Tuck -- oh man-- that season finale KILLED ME. The wait is almost over :D

[CreepingDeath]

:xoxo: I love that show.

Nip/Tuck -- oh man-- that season finale KILLED ME. The wait is almost over :D

Yes, that finale was shocking to say the least. I need to find out who the Slasher is, and what the hell he or she did to my beloved Christian.

[AliceLover]

Please, it was a great premise to have F & M asked to leave their new place.

As far as feeling bad for Robert, the best are his FBI interview & the one where he finds out at the end that it's his birthday. :lol:

- Jake

O god those 2 episodes were hilarious. Amy and Robert walk into the kitchen and Robert and Amy are slow dancing. Then when they talk to the manager of the condos they are like "is it the money, we can pay more money"


Jimmy

[AliceLover]

And then he sits in it and it hits him in the groin :laugh: I loved that episode. Although I think they ended the right way. It was basically just another episode, with a little more emotion. But it was still hilarious. Marie jumping in bed with Ray was one of the funniest things in the show ever. And then my personal favorite moment was Ray jumping up and down rubbing himself and then Robert walks in and says "I guess now we'll watch Raymond do ANYTHING" :laugh:

I love it when Marie goes WHAT!!!!!!!!!

When she finds out Ray almost died.

[AliceLover]

Marie is my favorite part of the show. I laugh the hardest when she's like that.
Being rolled in the chair to the family photo, complaining that Twister was a sex game, choosing Frank's next spouse. And remember Marie's "intervention" with Robert's exes & his police partner episode? "What is with this man and onions?" :laugh:

- Jake

O god that family portrait episode is absolutley hilarious. They have to wheel her in and she doesn't even smile. Then at the end, "Ma Robert got you a hammock"

[AliceLover]

You're right actually - they're not horrible people - but they do horrible things - Marie just makes me cringe sometimes.

I LOVE Debra - and I love the canister episode...

But the one ep. that really, I think shows a lot - the suitcase episode :laugh:

Ahhhhh the suitcase episode, CLASSIC!

LOL the cheese gets stuck in there then Debra and Marie try to find the smell and when Debra turns away Marie smells her to make sure its not her LOL!

[AliceLover]

:xoxo: I love that show.

Nip/Tuck -- oh man-- that season finale KILLED ME. The wait is almost over :D

I just caught on to this show and I must say that I do enjoy it. How many seasons have their been so far?

[chiliD]

I know it's been ranked the worst show ever more than once. Was it Anne Southern who was the car? I've never seen the show.

- Jake


The one & only, late, great Anne Southern...right you are!

[CreepingDeath]

I just caught on to this show and I must say that I do enjoy it. How many seasons have their been so far?

The new season will make three. You should really check out the first two seasons. It's a great show.

[DrummerDeanna]

Ahhhhh the suitcase episode, CLASSIC!

LOL the cheese gets stuck in there then Debra and Marie try to find the smell and when Debra turns away Marie smells her to make sure its not her LOL!


:laugh: :laugh: And Ray packing his stuff in a plastic grocery bag :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

:laugh: :laugh: And Ray packing his stuff in a plastic grocery bag :laugh:

I do that most of the time anyway, so I could totally relate to Ray there :laugh:

[estranged4life]

NONE since I no longer want to watch TV, Rather do something more constructive with my time.

[catinthedark]

One And Again was AMAZING. It pissed me off when they cancelled the show. Evan Rachel Wood is a great young actress. If you've never seen it, rent the movie Thirteen. The other girl who stars in the film, Nikki Reed, actually wrote it (she's only 17 I think).

I actually went to see Thirteen in the theatres when it came out - and I NEVER go to see movies. Went to see it because it looked really good - and because she was in it. She really is remarkable for someone her age. Found the movie a leeettle bit fightening, I have to say... I sure wasn't do that kind of stuff at 13!! :shocked: :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

I just remember Jake - I don't think you'd like the L Word...

One of the girls from that horrid Yoplait Yogurt commercial is on the show :p "It's lesbian love good..." :laugh:

[NaiveMelody23]

i guess i will be the weird one and say


DEGRASSI!

i dunno :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

The Daily Show
All In The Family and all of its spin-offs
Sanford & Son
Married...With Children
Chapelle Show
Roseanne
Monty Python's Flying Circus
Puppets Who Kill
Trailer Park Boys
This Hour Has 22 Minutes (if we did THAT in the USA, somebody'd get shot!)
Dallas

[AliceLover]

:laugh: :laugh: And Ray packing his stuff in a plastic grocery bag :laugh:

LOL That was soooo funny! Great episode. So far they only have the first 3 seasons out on DVD. I am waiting for Season 5 to come out because it has the episode where the parents drive through the house and the 2 parter when they go to Italy.

[darklinensuit]

You're right actually - they're not horrible people - but they do horrible things - Marie just makes me cringe sometimes.

I LOVE Debra - and I love the canister episode...

But the one ep. that really, I think shows a lot - the suitcase episode :laugh:

"Don't let a suitcase full of cheese be your fork and spoon." :lol:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

That's Stewart Gilligan Griffin to you.


I'm fashionably late to this thread, so I'll just add my favs:

Nip/Tuck -I can't wait for the new season starting in September.
Family Guy <3
The Simpsons
Roseanne
The Golden Girls
My So Called Life

My So-Called Life sure is getting a lot of love around here.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

O god those 2 episodes were hilarious. Amy and Robert walk into the kitchen and Robert and Amy are slow dancing. Then when they talk to the manager of the condos they are like "is it the money, we can pay more money"


Jimmy

And before that Debra is indignant to the condo people's suggestion that her in-laws are obnoxious. :lol:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

O god that family portrait episode is absolutley hilarious. They have to wheel her in and she doesn't even smile. Then at the end, "Ma Robert got you a hammock"

That's how I learned what a pazhmina is (and that they can match :lol: ), however the hell it's spelled. :shrug:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Ahhhhh the suitcase episode, CLASSIC!

LOL the cheese gets stuck in there then Debra and Marie try to find the smell and when Debra turns away Marie smells her to make sure its not her LOL!

"Debra, you can't keep cheese in a suitcase!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

The one & only, late, great Anne Southern...right you are!

Thanks. I was too lazy to google it.

I don't know much about Anne Southern. I remember learning when she died that she had her own show years ago.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

:laugh: :laugh: And Ray packing his stuff in a plastic grocery bag :laugh:

Until Debra rips the sucker open with her bare hands. :nod:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

NONE since I no longer want to watch TV, Rather do something more constructive with my time.

You speak for many of us, but you imply that there was a time when you did want to watch TV, & many of the shows we've mentioned are from years ago. Did you have favorites back then?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I just remember Jake - I don't think you'd like the L Word...

One of the girls from that horrid Yoplait Yogurt commercial is on the show :p "It's lesbian love good..." :laugh:

:lol: :eek:
NOOOO! NOT THE YOGURGEEKS!!!!!!!!!

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

i guess i will be the weird one and say


DEGRASSI!

i dunno :shrug:

Never seen it. Tell us about it, please. :)

- Jake

[amber]

Evening Shade!!! yeah!!! :thumbsup: :sorry:

[darklinensuit]

I do that most of the time anyway, so I could totally relate to Ray there :laugh:

Years ago I used them as gym bags or lunch bags, but never to go on a plane. :)

- Jake

[catinthedark]

Never seen it. Tell us about it, please. :)

- Jake

The holy grail of Canadian TV. Started as The Kids of Degrassi Street - and went on for eons through Degrassi Junior High, Degrassi High, the kids of Degrassi, and Degrassi: the Next Generation. Did I miss one? :lol: seriously, it's been around for almost 20 years, I think...

They tackled everything from abortion, to single mom-hood, drugs, sex, etc etc etc. Everything kids go through, they did it. No candy-coating. Right in your face. Hugely popular. It's seen in the States, too, I believe... though I couldn't tell you where...

[darklinensuit]

The Daily Show
All In The Family and all of its spin-offs
Sanford & Son
Married...With Children
Chapelle Show
Roseanne
Monty Python's Flying Circus
Puppets Who Kill
Trailer Park Boys
This Hour Has 22 Minutes (if we did THAT in the USA, somebody'd get shot!)
Dallas

Lawanda Page (I think that's her name) rocked! What a face and voice! :lol:

I've seen The Daily Show a couple of times & was about to add it here but saw you had. :thumbsup:
Never saw Chappelle, Puppets Who Kill ( :shocked: :confused: ), Trailer Park Boys, or This Hour Has 22 Minutes. (Other than Chappelle there are none here I know.)

I don't think anybody has mentioned Saturday Night Live!

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

LOL That was soooo funny! Great episode. So far they only have the first 3 seasons out on DVD. I am waiting for Season 5 to come out because it has the episode where the parents drive through the house and the 2 parter when they go to Italy.

I didn't love the Italy episode. Like most shows that take trips, it seemed sappy & gimmicky to me. :shrug:
But Robert's new girlfriend was something. :blob1:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Evening Shade!!! yeah!!! :thumbsup: :sorry:

Never cared for Burt Reynolds. Wasn't Marilu Henner on also? Not being a watcher, I have no clue how it pushed the envelope. :shrug:

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I actually went to see Thirteen in the theatres when it came out - and I NEVER go to see movies. Went to see it because it looked really good - and because she was in it. She really is remarkable for someone her age. Found the movie a leeettle bit fightening, I have to say... I sure wasn't do that kind of stuff at 13!! :shocked: :laugh:

No, it was a very disturbing movie. The girl who wrote it pulled from her own life. Unlike us, she was into that stuff at 13. The whole scene with the two of them huffing and then slapping the **** out of each other .... good grief :shocked: I think she's written two other films since Thirteen and she's not even out of high school. She's come a long way from her inner-city days.

[darklinensuit]

The holy grail of Canadian TV. Started as The Kids of Degrassi Street - and went on for eons through Degrassi Junior High, Degrassi High, the kids of Degrassi, and Degrassi: the Next Generation. Did I miss one? :lol: seriously, it's been around for almost 20 years, I think...

They tackled everything from abortion, to single mom-hood, drugs, sex, etc etc etc. Everything kids go through, they did it. No candy-coating. Right in your face. Hugely popular. It's seen in the States, too, I believe... though I couldn't tell you where...

It was a drama, I presume?

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I don't think anybody has mentioned Saturday Night Live!

I think back in the 70s when it first aired, they pushed the envelope. Now I find the show to be -- well, not funny :shrug:

I'd add Kids In The Hall to my list -- another creation of Lorne Michaels.

[darklinensuit]

I think back in the 70s when it first aired, they pushed the envelope. Now I find the show to be -- well, not funny :shrug:

I'd add Kids In The Hall to my list -- another creation of Lorne Michaels.

Of course I mean '70s & parts of the '80s.

Never saw Kids In The Hall.

- Jake

[amber]

Never cared for Burt Reynolds. Wasn't Marilu Henner on also? Not being a watcher, I have no clue how it pushed the envelope. :shrug:

- Jake
me neither. It was a joke. You know, a joke show? That didn't push the envelope? That was cheesy? etc?

[GardenStateGirlie]

It was a drama, I presume?

- Jake

Big time dramatics. I can't believe that show is STILL on. I'd imagine they've run out of storylines by now. I think it's on Noggin (a digital cable channel that's part of Nickelodeon). I may have watched it twice in my life.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Of course I mean '70s & parts of the '80s.

Never saw Kids In The Hall.

- Jake

Kids In The Hall was tacky sketch comedy from a bunch of Canadians at its finest. In fact, one of the stars of that show went on to become a regular on SNL (Mark McKinney).

[amber]

Kids In The Hall was tacky sketch comedy from a bunch of Canadians at its finest. In fact, one of the stars of that show went on to become a regular on SNL (Mark McKinney).
Kids in the hall is extremely funny at times, most times. DeGrassi Jr. High was good. I remember thinking: "ohmigosh!" when I watched it, because kids in my Jr. High school were not like that at all. They didn't have those problems, and they didn't dress like that, really. Their hair wasn't so much like that, either.
I remember thinking "ooo, the city is scary!" :laugh: It is really good, though. :)

[GardenStateGirlie]

Kids in the hall is extremely funny at times, most times. DeGrassi Jr. High was good. I remember thinking: "ohmigosh!" when I watched it, because kids in my Jr. High school were not like that at all. They didn't have those problems, and they didn't dress like that, really. Their hair wasn't so much like that, either.
I remember thinking "ooo, the city is scary!" :laugh: It is really good, though. :)

I really want KITH on DVD :o I always liked the secretaries sketches... "TEMP SLUT, TEMP SLUT!" and of course, Buddy Cole :laugh:

I can't remember which part of the Degrassi series I've seen but I think it's probably the newer episodes. The city is scary? Dude, isn't it set in like -- Toronto? A major crime there would be...hockey puck theft :laugh:

[amber]

I really want KITH on DVD :o I always liked the secretaries sketches... "TEMP SLUT, TEMP SLUT!" and of course, Buddy Cole :laugh:

I can't remember which part of the Degrassi series I've seen but I think it's probably the newer episodes. The city is scary? Dude, isn't it set in like -- Toronto? A major crime there would be...hockey puck theft :laugh:

I know. But it seemed scary to me. :laugh: I actually mostly watched it in Jr. High.
Plus, I lived in Pleasantville. :angel:

[GardenStateGirlie]

I know. But it seemed scary to me. :laugh: I actually mostly watched it in Jr. High.
Plus, I lived in Pleasantville. :angel:

Did kids from the future come and put color into your world?? :laugh:

[amber]

Did kids from the future come and put color into your world?? :laugh:
Yes. Me. :lol:
no, but really. :shocked: My other favorite name for it is "mormonredneckville!"

[GardenStateGirlie]

Yes. Me. :lol:
no, but really. :shocked: My other favorite name for it is "mormonredneckville!"

Were you the town rebel? :lol:

[AliceLover]

"Debra, you can't keep cheese in a suitcase!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

- Jake

LOL! Marie is such a bastard!

[darklinensuit]

LOL! Marie is such a bastard!

Nonsense. I love the lady. :D (But I wouldn't want to live near her.)

- Jake

[Wild_Heart03]

Golden Girls tackled some issues on their show. Remember Dorothy's lesbian friend who came to stay with them. She fell in love with Rose. For the time, that was really ground breaking material. It's tame by today's standards, but that was some risky stuff for a popular sitcom to address.

Golden Girls was pretty groundbreaking by standards of the 80s, or so I'm told.... it's not every day you watch old women sit around chowing down on cheesecake and talking about their sex lives. :laugh:

I remember they did an episode on suicide too, when a friend of Sophia's wanted to take pills and kill herself. That was probably pretty eye-popping for Saturday night prime-time.


It's seen in the States, too, I believe... though I couldn't tell you where...

They've actually got a sort of "revival" of the original Degrassi on the air now, called "Degrassi: The Next Generation". It's basically same stories, but for a new generation of kids. Spike, Snake and Joey are all still on, but this time they're the adults, lol.

[DrummerDeanna]

I didn't love the Italy episode. Like most shows that take trips, it seemed sappy & gimmicky to me. :shrug:
But Robert's new girlfriend was something. :blob1:

- Jake


Oooh Stephanya or whatever :eek: Nah - I really like Amy - esp. for Robert!

I just saw the family photo ep last night - Marie is something else.

I still don't understand why they didn't take one Barone picture then one with everyone - it could have solved it all - of course then there wouldn't have been a half-hour of histerics in between :p

[chiliD]

Kids In The Hall was tacky sketch comedy from a bunch of Canadians at its finest. In fact, one of the stars of that show went on to become a regular on SNL (Mark McKinney).

Another ex-Kid In The Hall...Dave Foley...starred in the NBC sitcom NewsRadio with Phil Hartman, Andy Dick, (Office Space's) Stephen Root, (ER's) Maura Tierney, (CSI Miami's) Khandi Alexander, (Three Sisters') Vicki Lewis, & Joe Rogan.

And, now his career has just gone through the roof with his host job on Celebrity Poker. :laugh:

[catinthedark]

It was a drama, I presume?

- Jake

Doh! Pretty important omission on my part. Oops. It was actually an afterschool-type show for kids. I'd say the target audience was... 10-15 years old maybe? But it developed a massive following, and kids who watched when they were 10 or 11 were still watching into their 20s. I never did watch it, but my sister did - and she was obsessed. (I bet she STILL watches it! She's in her early 30s).

[GardenStateGirlie]

Oooh Stephanya or whatever :eek: Nah - I really like Amy - esp. for Robert!

I just saw the family photo ep last night - Marie is something else.

I still don't understand why they didn't take one Barone picture then one with everyone - it could have solved it all - of course then there wouldn't have been a half-hour of histerics in between :p

I watched it too -- "this background is blue -- do I have time to switch my stole?" :laugh:

"Mom's here!" (wheels her in the chair)

[DrummerDeanna]

I watched it too -- "this background is blue -- do I have time to switch my stole?" :laugh:

"Mom's here!" (wheels her in the chair)


"maybe I'll just wear the blue" :laugh:

It's not one of my favorite eps - but eh - I enjoy it anyway - I love watching Raymond during my dinner :D

[GardenStateGirlie]

And, now his career has just gone through the roof with his host job on Celebrity Poker. :laugh:

Oh man, I know...I saw him on that and thought "wtf are you doing??" :laugh: Apparently, pickins' are slim for him at this time.

[SuzeQuze]

"maybe I'll just wear the blue" :laugh:

It's not one of my favorite eps - but eh - I enjoy it anyway - I love watching Raymond during my dinner :D

Me too, last nite was a rerun of the episode where Ray gets "power" over Deb by refusing when she asks for sex. Of course she finds out he is doing this deliberately and then they both hold out for almost a month. One night they get into bed wearing satin, Ray too, and he is just as rediculous as his wife is sexy. :eek: Funny funny episode!

[skcin]

The holy grail of Canadian TV. Started as The Kids of Degrassi Street - and went on for eons through Degrassi Junior High, Degrassi High, the kids of Degrassi, and Degrassi: the Next Generation. Did I miss one? :lol: seriously, it's been around for almost 20 years, I think...

They tackled everything from abortion, to single mom-hood, drugs, sex, etc etc etc. Everything kids go through, they did it. No candy-coating. Right in your face. Hugely popular. It's seen in the States, too, I believe... though I couldn't tell you where...


You saw it in Buffalo, sister! DeGrassi Junior High kicked ass! When Spike got pregnant? WOW - scandal! LOVED that show. :laugh:

BTW, Cat, not groundbreaking at ALL, but do you remember that game show Just Like Mom? Any other Canadians remember? People look at me like I'm nuts when I mention it.

[DrummerDeanna]

Me too, last nite was a rerun of the episode where Ray gets "power" over Deb by refusing when she asks for sex. Of course she finds out he is doing this deliberately and then they both hold out for almost a month. One night they get into bed wearing satin, Ray too, and he is just as rediculous as his wife is sexy. :eek: Funny funny episode!


I've actually never seen that one!!!

I Love catching the occasional episode I've never seen - the other day I caught one that was a flashback of how Debra and Ray met - It was SO CUTE! I really liked it.

[darklinensuit]

Oooh Stephanya or whatever :eek: Nah - I really like Amy - esp. for Robert!

I just saw the family photo ep last night - Marie is something else.

I still don't understand why they didn't take one Barone picture then one with everyone - it could have solved it all - of course then there wouldn't have been a half-hour of histerics in between :p

I agree about the pic, but the writers often reach for the ridiculous. I never understood why Robert never told anyone that Amy's brother was trying to sabotage the wedding. Marie would have cleaned his clock.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I watched it too -- "this background is blue -- do I have time to switch my stole?" :laugh:

"Mom's here!" (wheels her in the chair)

No, as I said, that's how I learned that pazhmina word (but not the spelling). Stole I knew.

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

I agree about the pic, but the writers often reach for the ridiculous. I never understood why Robert never told anyone that Amy's brother was trying to sabotage the wedding. Marie would have cleaned his clock.

- Jake


Oh I know - it just gets frustrating sometimes. And that's another thing - Amy's brother...usually I HATE Chris Elliot - but in that role I can actually tolerate him...him and Miss Puss :p

[SuzeQuze]

Oh I know - it just gets frustrating sometimes. And that's another thing - Amy's brother...usually I HATE Chris Elliot - but in that role I can actually tolerate him...him and Miss Puss :p

He's hysterical in that role, in a disgusting way. I hate her brother so much, in that way the character is great. Everything with that show is over the top. Its always good for a laugh. I wish I could try Marie's cooking just once. :laugh: Omigod, the one where they get kicked out of the elders community? Priceless.

[AliceLover]

Everybody Loves Raymond is played for 2 hours on Wednesday nights on TBS here in Boston! Get your Tivos ready! :)

[SuzeQuze]

Everybody Loves Raymond is played for 2 hours on Wednesday nights on TBS here in Boston! Get your Tivos ready! :)

Cute. It's on channel 10 every night at 7:30. I don't have Tivo.

[DrummerDeanna]

I know - Marie's cooking always sounds so good - especially when she makes chocolate cake :p

Ray is one our NBC affiliate for an hour each night - I don't have cable, but I get the basic network channels - so that's where I get my Ray fix :)

I have to say though, I love Robert way more than I love Raymond.

[AliceLover]

Cute. It's on channel 10 every night at 7:30. I don't have Tivo.

Yup, I have to read the episode descriptions to decide which episode I wanna watch. They have 2 diff ones on at the same time. So hard to choose. :D

[darklinensuit]

Oh I know - it just gets frustrating sometimes. And that's another thing - Amy's brother...usually I HATE Chris Elliot - but in that role I can actually tolerate him...him and Miss Puss :p

"I'm always Squanto." :laugh:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I wish I could try Marie's cooking just once.

Presumably NOT that tofu turkey. :shocked: :laugh:

- Jake

[SuzeQuze]

I know - Marie's cooking always sounds so good - especially when she makes chocolate cake :p

Ray is one our NBC affiliate for an hour each night - I don't have cable, but I get the basic network channels - so that's where I get my Ray fix :)

I have to say though, I love Robert way more than I love Raymond.

How about the show where she puts an Oregano label on some Thyme and lets Debra think that she's just hopeless and can't even cook when Marie holds her hand. :lol: That was pure unadulterated evil.

Ray is the type of guy no woman would ever want to marry. Whiney, immature, and weak. However, he's a parody (I hope), I hate to think there are actually men like that! Ugh. I love Robert. Oh man he is funny. Love it when he dances! His wedding reception scene with Amy is one of the best scenes on television ever.

I think this is also on TBS every night twice. Everybody Loves (a whole lot of) Raymond apparently.

[DrummerDeanna]

Presumably NOT that tofu turkey. :shocked: :laugh:

- Jake


OMG - yeah not the TOFURKEY!!

And that reminds me...

Sexuapoly...the sex Monopoly!!! :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

How about the show where she puts an Oregano label on some Thyme and lets Debra think that she's just hopeless and can't even cook when Marie holds her hand. :lol: That was pure unadulterated evil.

"This is the work of an evil genius!" :laugh:

And it's not evil. Remember, Marie always says she does things for love. :nod: :rolleyes:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

OMG - yeah not the TOFURKEY!!

And that reminds me...

Sexuapoly...the sex Monopoly!!! :laugh:

I always love the Thansgiving episodes. That one where she keeps dropping the turkey on the floor & then just throws it into the oven is hilarious.

- Jake

[DrummerDeanna]

I always love the Thansgiving episodes. That one where she keeps dropping the turkey on the floor & then just throws it into the oven is hilarious.

- Jake


Or the one where Debra makes fish instead of Turkey - so sad...

[darklinensuit]

Or the one where Debra makes fish instead of Turkey - so sad...

I like fish. I would have eaten it and the turkey, like Frank, but not choked.

- Jake

[dissention]

Maude- That episode where she goes to the shrink and performs a 22 minute monologue, and the episodes dealing with her abortion.

Picket Fences- Remember when the mayor of Rome had her eggs implanted into a cow and the cow gave birth to her baby? Or when Marlee Matlin robbed the bank and was elected mayor a year later?

Ally McBeal- After the first season, it was nothing but non-stop sex. And then Ally and Ling made out. Crazy.

Golden Girls- They were salty bitches!