"Smile At You" - Demo or SYW version

[LiquidBlue5000]

Which version do you prefer and why???

[Glittermoondust]

I like both........ when I first heard the SYW version I was like EH?? But I have grown to love it as much as the demos...... Now don't get me started on Goodbye Baby :distress:

Amy

[LiquidBlue5000]

I like both........ when I first heard the SYW version I was like EH?? But I have grown to love it as much as the demos...... Now don't get me started on Goodbye Baby :distress:

Amy

i like "Goodbye Baby", but nothing compares to "The Tower"... her voice so high and pretty... she could never really do that demo justice in my opinion, but i am glad she took it out of her vault and released it officially... too good not to... still waiting on "China Doll", however... :shrug:

[Glittermoondust]

i like "Goodbye Baby", but nothing compares to "The Tower"... her voice so high and pretty... she could never really do that demo justice in my opinion, but i am glad she took it out of her vault and released it officially... too good not to... still waiting on "China Doll", however... :shrug:

I have to agree--The Tower was just perfect!! Ooooo--I would love to hear China Doll and Knocking on Doors........ :D And Lady From the Mountains, Mistaken Love, etc etc etc!!!

Amy

[Johnny Stew]

I prefer the 'Say You Will' version. The demos are great, but for 'SYW,' Lindsey and Stevie took the song to another plane. Love the Middle-Eastern flare, and the way Stevie's current, more-weathered voice seems to add so much more to the lyrics.

[diamondsnake]

I prefer the 'Say You Will' version. The demos are great, but for 'SYW,' Lindsey and Stevie took the song to another plane. Love the Middle-Eastern flare, and the way Stevie's current, more-weathered voice seems to add so much more to the lyrics.
Agree 100%...

I think her voice is annoyingly high in the demo if memory serves me correct. I haven't listened to it in a while. Also, I loathe the way she says "lady" instead of "woman" in the demo. For some reason "lady" bugs me...

[EnchantedSLN]

I prefer the demo version. The SYW one is ok, but it's one of the songs I tend to skip on that cd now. I think I would have been a lot more impressed with it had I never heard the greatness that was the original. I appreciate what Lindsey & the rest of the band members did with it (I wouldn't have wanted them to try to re-create the demo version), but that song will always be one big missed opportunity to me.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I prefer the 'Say You Will' version. The demos are great, but for 'SYW,' Lindsey and Stevie took the song to another plane. Love the Middle-Eastern flare, and the way Stevie's current, more-weathered voice seems to add so much more to the lyrics.


Except she carries the vocal with so little passion.. she might as well just have spoken the lyrics... at least in the demo version, you can actually "feel" what she is singing... i fall asleep halfway through the SYW version everytime i listen to it... :rolleyes:

[golden braid]

I like both but I prefer the demo version. Maybe it's just because I heard the demo one first but I feel the passion in Stevie's voice more in the demo version. The SYW version is like a different song almost which is probably good because they couldn't have redone it like they did 20 some years ago.

[dudden22]

Definately the demo version. I don't even listen to the Say You Will version, I don't like the vocal or the production.

[Johnny Stew]

Except she carries the vocal with so little passion.. she might as well just have spoken the lyrics... at least in the demo version, you can actually "feel" what she is singing...I respect your opinion, even if I disagree. :)

I "feel" her statement far moreso in the 'SYW' version. Her anger is boiling just under the surface. She's not lashing out as she did in the demo -- she's seething. And I love that.

[lagringader&r]

I respect your opinion, even if I disagree. :)

I "feel" her statement far moreso in the 'SYW' version. Her anger is boiling just under the surface. She's not lashing out as she did in the demo -- she's seething. And I love that.

I agree. That was one pissed off woman. She's angry in such a cutting way and I can so feel it when I listen. I almost feel angry with her. Seething is the way that song is supposed to be sung.

[rhiannon383]

I like the demo better. I randomly found it online one night while I was supposed to be working on a paper...and fell in love with it. It was pretty soon before SYW came out, and I was disappointed when I first heard the album version. I've grown to like it, but I still prefer the demo.

[vermicious knid]

It is important to point out the difference in the Tusk demo and the Mirage demo. The Mirage "angry" demo is stellar and anybody who prefers the tepid SYW version is on crack.

[GarboSpeaks!]

Demo version hands down. All that piss & vinegar not mellowed out? What's not to love?!?!?!?! Now a days, it's all sweet and syrupy like. Like the truth of it has been glossed over cause she's "older" now. Please. She was livid when she wrote that song, and I like the guts and matter of factness of it.

[LiquidBlue5000]

It is important to point out the difference in the Tusk demo and the Mirage demo. The Mirage "angry" demo is stellar and anybody who prefers the tepid SYW version is on crack.


:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :xoxo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I like the demos better. They are raw and more emotional. It makes for better vocals and performances.

Could you have imagined this song on the Mirage Tour? Wow. It would have become a classic. :nod:

[Janet]

Demo, demo, demo....by far........

[darklinensuit]

The demos are worlds better. For one thing, the choruses have melodies.

- Jake

[Kelly]

Oh boy, much as I hate to agree with LiquidBlue, I have to do it here. (j/k) There is no passion in the SYW vocal. Sorry but I am not hearing seething on the album cut. Now the demo...she is pissed hardcore. (my walls are flamin....ouch) I hear way more anger in EFO. I actually like both versions but like I said a long time ago, they are two different songs almost in my mind.

Goodbye Baby....gorgeous song. Lindsey handled it exactly right and her vocal gives me chills. Very lullaby'ish.

[xxxmx]

i had to go with the album version. i listened to a few different versions (i have sooo much time on my hands ;)) and just really prefer the SYW cut. the Angry demo just seems too out of reach for me, i definitely can't sing along with it while i'm baking a pie. maybe i would like the demos better if they were a little more finished, i really like LB's backing vocals on the album cut. anyways, i have to go take my pie out of the oven. and listen to the Tower...

[wheart]

I really don't like the SYW version at all. The demo version has such fire and Stevie's vocal has a lot of anger and power in it, which I love. And her wails towards end are awesome. I love the line "Don't ask me why..." towards the end.

I don't like the arrangement of the SYW version first of all. I don't think the acoustic guitar works. Given the lyrics, I think it needs to be louder. And the vocals, to me, sound a little strained. Probably one of my least favorite tracks on SYW.

[wheart]

i had to go with the album version. i listened to a few different versions (i have sooo much time on my hands ;)) and just really prefer the SYW cut. the Angry demo just seems too out of reach for me, i definitely can't sing along with it while i'm baking a pie. maybe i would like the demos better if they were a little more finished, i really like LB's backing vocals on the album cut. anyways, i have to go take my pie out of the oven. and listen to the Tower...


demos aren't supposed to be finished. That's why they're demos. :)

[David]

I don't even listen to the Say You Will version, I don't like the vocal or the production.I don't, either. It's like muzak to me. I just don't care for Fleetwood Mac's 2003 conception.

But I love Illume!

[Bandon]

I was completely dissapointed with the SYW version. It lacks the passion and depth of the demos. To me, the SYW version sounds very mechanical. They should have recorded and mastered the song sooner and put it on Mirage or Tango. What a waste. But then I was dissapointed with much of SYW anyway. :distress:

[David]

I like the demos better. They are raw and more emotional. It makes for better vocals and performances.I'm surprised to hear you say that. You don't generally go for the "raw."
Could you have imagined this song on the Mirage Tour? Wow. It would have become a classic. :nod:Drop Dreams & Gypsy from that tour's set list & replace them with Smile at You -- or Straight Back & Gold Dust Woman.

Gold Dust Woman would have been primo to me in 1982.

[GypsySorcerer]

I like them both. :)

[gldstwmn]

Ah AHHHHHHHHH! My ears, my ears! A great song, ruined. Hopefully if they ever reissue Mirage we'll get that version. Mick Fleetwood made a mistake leaving this off of Mirage. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

The SYW version because it's also the only one I've heard and I love what was made of it on the album. Without John's bass I wouldn't bother listening to it for starters.
That's the only good thing about it. His bass on the demo is quite good also.

[gldstwmn]

Agree 100%...

I think her voice is annoyingly high in the demo if memory serves me correct. I haven't listened to it in a while. Also, I loathe the way she says "lady" instead of "woman" in the demo. For some reason "lady" bugs me...
She sings "woman" in the Mirage demo.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Oh boy, much as I hate to agree with LiquidBlue, I have to do it here.

come on, u know u love me :xoxo:

[gldstwmn]

Does anyone know what she is saying in the beginning of the Mirage demo? I mean when she is speaking? She sounds pissed.

[Christopher]

Does anyone know what she is saying in the beginning of the Mirage demo? I mean when she is speaking? She sounds pissed.

I think she says "Think about feelings for once in your life"....ouch! Could that possibly be directed at Lindsey.

[vermicious knid]

BAM magazine: September 11, 1981 (http://www.nicksfix.com/bam9-11-81.htm)

BAM: What did you contribute to the next Fleetwood Mac album?

Stevie Nicks: I have three songs as it stands now, but I think we may replace one of them with another song. . . . . . There was also a song called "Smile at You" that I don't think we'll put on. I think Lindsey wants me to record another one and so do I. It's kind of a bitter song and that's really not where any of us are at right now, even thought it's a wonderful song.

Just use your best material, Stevie!

[Johnny Stew]

I still find it interesting that Ken Caillat claims Fleetwood Mac never recorded this. That it is, instead, a Stevie solo demo that she wanted FM to do, but that Lindsey balked at.
It doesn't seem possible that Ken could be correct about this, and yet he seemed totally convinced that was the case.

From the Penguin's Q&A with Ken Caillat (http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/kencaillat_qa1.htm)....

Hi Ken, thanks for your time. There is a song of Stevie's called 'Smile At You'. I've heard a few different versions of this tune but there is one kick-ass take that sounds like it fell right off the 'Rumours' album. Do you remember anything about this tune? And if you do, find it and get it released! Thanks again. (Doug Levasseur, Providence, Rhode Island, USA)

Good question! I do remember Stevie's song "Smile at You". It's great! It was done as a demo with her friends. This was all Stevie. I can't remember who the guitar player was but he nailed Lindsey's parts. Was it ever put on record? I like it now that I'm the one asking questions. I just called Leo, and he doesn't know of a "Smile at You". I've got her demo at the studio, I'll look into it. Thanks!

Hi Ken! Thank you so much for taking your time to answer our silly questions! This means more to all of us fans than we can say. My question is, why was the song "Smile At You" left off of both Tusk and Mirage? In my opinion, this is Stevies most powerful song ever. Will we ever hear from it? Again, thank you so much! (Louie Golden, Sanford, North Carolina, USA)

Hello Louie: I think answered a question about "Smile at You " yesterday. Smile at You was a great song, but it was never recorded for Mirage or Tusk. Stevie played that for me, it was a demo she had done at home with some musician friends. I remember suggesting to Lindsey that we record "Smile at You". I think he was put off with some of the musicians used by Stevie. Anyway he didn't want to record it.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I would say I like them both equally. However, I feel her demo -- I mean, wow -- it's fierce. Vocally, I think she's incredibly strong and what she lacks in technique (because it's more of her just screaming and working the vocal out, IMO but I love it) she makes up for in emotion.

[Serrart]

I love every version of it, as with all great songs, I always like to discover how many faces they can have. :)

Romy

[SapphireSister]

Smile At You has never been a favorite song but I MUCH prefer the demo. It's more rocking and her vocals are spectacular and the emotion is raw. In most cases I prefer the album versions to demos for 2 reasons: 1) I like production and it's sometimes hard for me to get into a song when it's just instruments and vocals without any production and 2) I heard all of the album version before I ever heard any demos so I got used to them. It may have been different if I heard the demos before the album versions although I do prefer some demo versions.
They SYW version of SAY is boring to me. I can't believe the songs of hers that were picked for Mirage over this, although I can see how it may have caused some controversy amongst the band members and press, etc.
I do however like the SYW version of Goodbye Baby over The Tower demo. It is a very deep, dark, emotional song and the Tower demo is sung higher and the music is more upbeat. I like that the music and vocals on the SYW version are more intense and haunting. It seems to fit the theme and the lyrics better.

[lagringader&r]

I still find it interesting that Ken Caillat claims Fleetwood Mac never recorded this. That it is, instead, a Stevie solo demo that she wanted FM to do, but that Lindsey balked at.
It doesn't seem possible that Ken could be correct about this, and yet he seemed totally convinced that was the case.

From the Penguin's Q&A with Ken Caillat (http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/kencaillat_qa1.htm)....

Hi Ken, thanks for your time. There is a song of Stevie's called 'Smile At You'. I've heard a few different versions of this tune but there is one kick-ass take that sounds like it fell right off the 'Rumours' album. Do you remember anything about this tune? And if you do, find it and get it released! Thanks again. (Doug Levasseur, Providence, Rhode Island, USA)

Good question! I do remember Stevie's song "Smile at You". It's great! It was done as a demo with her friends. This was all Stevie. I can't remember who the guitar player was but he nailed Lindsey's parts. Was it ever put on record? I like it now that I'm the one asking questions. I just called Leo, and he doesn't know of a "Smile at You". I've got her demo at the studio, I'll look into it. Thanks!

Hi Ken! Thank you so much for taking your time to answer our silly questions! This means more to all of us fans than we can say. My question is, why was the song "Smile At You" left off of both Tusk and Mirage? In my opinion, this is Stevies most powerful song ever. Will we ever hear from it? Again, thank you so much! (Louie Golden, Sanford, North Carolina, USA)

Hello Louie: I think answered a question about "Smile at You " yesterday. Smile at You was a great song, but it was never recorded for Mirage or Tusk. Stevie played that for me, it was a demo she had done at home with some musician friends. I remember suggesting to Lindsey that we record "Smile at You". I think he was put off with some of the musicians used by Stevie. Anyway he didn't want to record it.

One word for Lindsey Buckingham. EGO.

[Mad4stevie]

I think she says "Think about feelings for once in your life"....ouch! Could that possibly be directed at Lindsey.

Yes, that is exactly what she says! :nod: :nod: :nod:

For me, the demo version is much better than the official version, although I can appreciate the SYW version, too.

Her "flaaaaaaaaamin" at the end is GREAT!!

I was so pleased when the "masters" of SYW surfaced. The sound quality is much better than the other demos that I had listened to previously.

[tlssln]

I prefer the demo version. The SYW one is ok, but it's one of the songs I tend to skip on that cd now. I think I would have been a lot more impressed with it had I never heard the greatness that was the original. I appreciate what Lindsey & the rest of the band members did with it (I wouldn't have wanted them to try to re-create the demo version), but that song will always be one big missed opportunity to me.

I totally agree. I think the SYW version is neutered lyrically probably because of LB's fragile ego.

[tlssln]

It is important to point out the difference in the Tusk demo and the Mirage demo. The Mirage "angry" demo is stellar and anybody who prefers the tepid SYW version is on crack.

LMAO. Indeed.

[gldstwmn]

I totally agree. I think the SYW version is neutered lyrically probably because of LB's fragile ego.

You mean because the song isn't about him?

[tlssln]

You mean because the song isn't about him?

No, because it is about him.

[darklinensuit]

No, because it is about him.

Really? I always thought it was about someone else.

- Jake

[gldstwmn]

No, because it is about him.

No, it's not. :distress: It's about Don Henley.

[GardenStateGirlie]

No, because it is about him.

I don't think she regrets smiling at Lindsey -- I think she regrets smiling at Henley -- that would have been around the time she composed this song. JMO.

[lagringader&r]

I still find it interesting that Ken Caillat claims Fleetwood Mac never recorded this. That it is, instead, a Stevie solo demo that she wanted FM to do, but that Lindsey balked at.
It doesn't seem possible that Ken could be correct about this, and yet he seemed totally convinced that was the case.

From the Penguin's Q&A with Ken Caillat (http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/kencaillat_qa1.htm)....

Hi Ken, thanks for your time. There is a song of Stevie's called 'Smile At You'. I've heard a few different versions of this tune but there is one kick-ass take that sounds like it fell right off the 'Rumours' album. Do you remember anything about this tune? And if you do, find it and get it released! Thanks again. (Doug Levasseur, Providence, Rhode Island, USA)

Good question! I do remember Stevie's song "Smile at You". It's great! It was done as a demo with her friends. This was all Stevie. I can't remember who the guitar player was but he nailed Lindsey's parts. Was it ever put on record? I like it now that I'm the one asking questions. I just called Leo, and he doesn't know of a "Smile at You". I've got her demo at the studio, I'll look into it. Thanks!

Hi Ken! Thank you so much for taking your time to answer our silly questions! This means more to all of us fans than we can say. My question is, why was the song "Smile At You" left off of both Tusk and Mirage? In my opinion, this is Stevies most powerful song ever. Will we ever hear from it? Again, thank you so much! (Louie Golden, Sanford, North Carolina, USA)

Hello Louie: I think answered a question about "Smile at You " yesterday. Smile at You was a great song, but it was never recorded for Mirage or Tusk. Stevie played that for me, it was a demo she had done at home with some musician friends. I remember suggesting to Lindsey that we record "Smile at You". I think he was put off with some of the musicians used by Stevie. Anyway he didn't want to record it.

I don't know who the song is about. Lindsey is a control freak so I always thought it was him. I haven't heard much about Don being one. That doesn't really matter. BUT, that isn't the reason I think Lindsey's ego got in the way. He was "put off by some of the musicians used by Stevie". And no, I don't think it's a *cover* for what was really going on or a conspiracy. I think Lindsey is a snob when it comes to that sort of thing and he felt her musicians were inferior. It wasn't up to his standards. I don't think he's so immature to stop the recording because the song might be about him. He may have an ego, but I do think he's a pro.

[Dealer]

No, because it is about him.
I always thought it was about Jimmy Iovine because she refers to whomever she's wailing against as "Little One" and she refers to Jimmy as such in the liner notes to "Reconsider Me".......plus he IS a short little sh*t.

BTW, this is my second post to the board. Been lurking for a few weeks now and just wanted to say hey. Everyone seems pretty cool on here and it's great to hear (and take part) in conversations about Stevie with people who "get it". So Hello all.

[gldstwmn]

I always thought it was about Jimmy Iovine because she refers to whomever she's wailing against as "Little One" and she refers to Jimmy as such in the liner notes to "Reconsider Me".......plus he IS a short little sh*t.

BTW, this is my second post to the board. Been lurking for a few weeks now and just wanted to say hey. Everyone seems pretty cool on here and it's great to hear (and take part) in conversations about Stevie with people who "get it". So Hello all.

Hello and welcome. Which Smile At You demo contains the lyrics "little one"? I'm always curious about stuff I haven't heard yet. :)

[darklinensuit]

I always thought it was about Jimmy Iovine because she refers to whomever she's wailing against as "Little One" and she refers to Jimmy as such in the liner notes to "Reconsider Me".......plus he IS a short little sh*t.

Don't forget the telling lyric: "Don't ask me why...just get to tweezin'!" :)

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

BTW, this is my second post to the board. Been lurking for a few weeks now and just wanted to say hey. Everyone seems pretty cool on here and it's great to hear (and take part) in conversations about Stevie with people who "get it". So Hello all.

And welcome. :wavey: I take it you are a fan of The Dealer? I love it.

- Jake

[gldstwmn]

The song's not about Lindsey or Iovine people, trust me. ;)

[Dealer]

Hello and welcome. Which Smile At You demo contains the lyrics "little one"? I'm always curious about stuff I haven't heard yet. :)
I think I'm mainly thinking of the Mirage demo, but could be wrong, got several versions and actually I'm not sure which recording sessions theyr'e from.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Hello and welcome. Which Smile At You demo contains the lyrics "little one"? I'm always curious about stuff I haven't heard yet. :)

I have two versions -- one of her screaming (angry version) and one of her and the piano. Mid song, there's a bit of polyphonic blend going on with different song lyrics (it's all Stevie, though). I can upload it to yousendit.com and you can have a listen if you'd like.

[Dealer]

Don't forget the telling lyric: "Don't ask me why...just get to tweezin'!" :)

- Jake
Unibrows rock..!

[Elizabeth]

I have loved the demo since I bought the Uncirculated Rumours albums years ago. I was so excited when I saw it was on SYW. Although I was disapointed at first, I have come to appreciate it over time. I just really wish they would have done it live.

[David]

It is important to point out the difference in the Tusk demo and the Mirage demo. The Mirage "angry" demo is stellar and anybody who prefers the tepid SYW version is on crack.I've never heard a "Smile at You" done for or during Tusk. I have three or four takes of what is obviously Fleetwood Mac playing simultaneously for "Mirage," & I have three or four takes of something that was recorded at the time of "Rumours" or even before. I used to think it was Fleetwood Mac on it, back when the song was circulating as a scratchy acetate; but these takes showed up on Reel 120 in the last few years, & you can hear the musicians talking before & after the take, & it isn't Fleetwood Mac (although maybe some members of Fleetwood Mac are participating -- for example, it sounds like Mick on the shaker).

[gldstwmn]

I have two versions -- one of her screaming (angry version) and one of her and the piano. Mid song, there's a bit of polyphonic blend going on with different song lyrics (it's all Stevie, though). I can upload it to yousendit.com and you can have a listen if you'd like.

Thank you darlin'. Does she say "little one"? Cause I don't have that in any of my demos, at least that I can recognize. I have the polyphonic version you're talking about, I just have to find it. :laugh: I don't like that one.

[darklinensuit]

I have two versions -- one of her screaming (angry version) and one of her and the piano. Mid song, there's a bit of polyphonic blend going on with different song lyrics (it's all Stevie, though). I can upload it to yousendit.com and you can have a listen if you'd like.


I have two or three, and one of them says Little One very clearly.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I have two or three, and one of them says Little One very clearly.

- Jake

I think they both do -- in the polyphonic version she definitely says it :nod:

[KarmaContestant]

I agree. That was one pissed off woman. She's angry in such a cutting way and I can so feel it when I listen. I almost feel angry with her. Seething is the way that song is supposed to be sung.

I agree 100%. I've never understood why Stevie didn't release Smile At You years ago, in it's 'angry' format. I always figured she was being protective of the person she wrote it about. Angry, but still loving. What an incredible performance, though!

Such a powerful song....whenever I'm introducing someone to Stevie's music by making a compilation CD, it is always one of the songs I choose.

I was bummed overall by the SYW version. It's weathered, and mature, and is more like 'the calm after the storm', but it's dull and uninteresting. :shrug: I skip it when the CD is playing, unless I'm out of hearing range.

[Nikolaj]

Definately the demo version. I don't even listen to the Say You Will version, I don't like the vocal or the production.

i totally agree- hands down, the 2 demo versions i've heard make the 'say you will' version almost unlistenable to me. Such passion in the demos- what i objected to the most on the 'SYW' version is the awful, needless 'ah-ahh' segments which sound to me like Alvin and the Chipmunks, on a bad day...

[SandyMac]

i totally agree- hands down, the 2 demo versions i've heard make the 'say you will' version almost unlistenable to me. Such passion in the demos- what i objected to the most on the 'SYW' version is the awful, needless 'ah-ahh' segments which sound to me like Alvin and the Chipmunks, on a bad day...

I do like the angry demo version better. As stated before, much more passion in her vocals. I have come to appreciate the SYW version, but just not my favorite. I found the demo version long before SYW came out, so that is what I got used to. If produced right, could have been a kick ass concert song.
The "ah-ahh" segments in SYW version are different, but I feel it waters the song down and takes the "bite" out of it.

[Dealer]

And welcome. :wavey: I take it you are a fan of The Dealer? I love it.

- Jake
Thanks and YES....!!!!! The Dealer has got to be my most favorite unreleased song.
Would love to see how she would interpret it today.....maybe someday.....

[vermicious knid]

I've never heard a "Smile at You" done for or during Tusk. I have three or four takes of what is obviously Fleetwood Mac playing simultaneously for "Mirage," & I have three or four takes of something that was recorded at the time of "Rumours" or even before. I used to think it was Fleetwood Mac on it, back when the song was circulating as a scratchy acetate; but these takes showed up on Reel 120 in the last few years, & you can hear the musicians talking before & after the take, & it isn't Fleetwood Mac (although maybe some members of Fleetwood Mac are participating -- for example, it sounds like Mick on the shaker).

What you are describing as having been recorded "at the time of Rumours or before" is what I have labeled as being from Tusk. It has the shaker that you mention. The reason I labeled it Tusk is because sararhiannon (http://www.sararhiannon.com/lyrics.htm) and the3birdsofrhiannon (http://www.geocities.com/the3birdsofrhiannon/goodies.html) list a Tusk version.

[darklinensuit]

Thanks and YES....!!!!! The Dealer has got to be my most favorite unreleased song.
Would love to see how she would interpret it today.....maybe someday.....

That's a song with lyrics as great at the end as at the beginning. Makes my top ten.

- Jake

[pastalady]

DEMO DEMO DEMO!!!
NO comparision...
so much passion in the demo...I was so dissapointed they did not re-create it closer to that

[eclipse]

I voted for the demo- without reading the posts-
Now I have spent 5 min reading the 5 pages and ...I am not sure??

I guess in reality, I love both!
Different song-different time- different place-different emotion-different performers, players-different attitude-but more or less same lyrics....

My favorite part of the song is that the title is the last line :D
Ah....stevie magic never fails..
~~dreams
eclipse~~

PS- Welcome to The Dealer, and enjoy your stay with us

[DrummerDeanna]

I've never heard the demo version *sob*

So by default I voted for the SYW version - which I really really do like a whole lot!

[eclipse]

I've never heard the demo version *sob*

So by default I voted for the SYW version - which I really really do like a whole lot!


HAPPY DAY !
Go to www.mistakenlove.com (Great site)
Then go to Downloads- the web person there has 3 versions of Smile at You
I would recommend #1 or 2- You know you have to do the whole right click-save taget as-etc.
that way...You will have the song :cool: :cool: :cool:
glad to share my site snooping :o :o
~~eclipse~~

[David]

I think they both do -- in the polyphonic version she definitely says it :nod:"Polyphonic"? Are you saying there's a counterpoint version of "Smile at You"?

[DrummerDeanna]

HAPPY DAY !
Go to www.mistakenlove.com (Great site)
Then go to Downloads- the web person there has 3 versions of Smile at You
I would recommend #1 or 2- You know you have to do the whole right click-save taget as-etc.
that way...You will have the song :cool: :cool: :cool:
glad to share my site snooping :o :o
~~eclipse~~


Oh sweet!!!! Thanks - I'll listen when I get back from the press conference I'm going to :D

[David]

What you are describing as having been recorded "at the time of Rumours or before" is what I have labeled as being from Tusk. It has the shaker that you mention. The reason I labeled it Tusk is because sararhiannon (http://www.sararhiannon.com/lyrics.htm) and the3birdsofrhiannon (http://www.geocities.com/the3birdsofrhiannon/goodies.html) list a Tusk version.Ah, okay. so we're talking about the same thing. I thought there was some cool Smile At You out there I never heard.

(Although one of you mentioned something about Smile At You on just the piano ...)

[darklinensuit]

I've never heard the demo version *sob*

So by default I voted for the SYW version - which I really really do like a whole lot!

You must hear it!
Go to that link!
Now. :nod:

- Jake

[Mad4stevie]

HAPPY DAY !
Go to www.mistakenlove.com (Great site)
Then go to Downloads- the web person there has 3 versions of Smile at You
I would recommend #1 or 2- You know you have to do the whole right click-save taget as-etc.
that way...You will have the song :cool: :cool: :cool:
glad to share my site snooping :o :o
~~eclipse~~

Yeah, that's my site :)

This is one of my favorite all time songs, and I would love to know the background of these demos. They are much clearer than the other ones that I have labeled as "Tusk demo" and "Mirage demo".

[Johnny Stew]

As I've read the rest of the thread, I've realized something else that I really like/appreciate about the 'SYW' version... the fact that they didn't try to recreate the old demo/outtake versions.
Not that I don't love those versions, just that I've heard them hundreds of times and was ready for something fresh and different.

I already have the "angry" version (as well as other calmer demos/outtakes) -- the 'Say You Will' version offered a very different way to look at the song.
Maybe that's what I react to most of all.

(By the way, I do agree that it meanders a bit... I made a tight 3:53 edit, and it seems to have a lot more punch that way.)

[gldstwmn]

"Polyphonic"? Are you saying there's a counterpoint version of "Smile at You"?

I'd have to dig this out again. Haven't listened to it for a while. If I remember correctly it's a bit messy. It grates.

[Johnny Stew]

I'd have to dig this out again. Haven't listened to it for a while. If I remember correctly it's a bit messy. It grates.I think that's the one I downloaded, listened to, didn't like, and then deleted. :laugh:

[Dreammms]

Demo version blows SYW version away. I do however love the music to the SYW version but they could have always used the music with other lyrics or something.

[Moony]

It is important to point out the difference in the Tusk demo and the Mirage demo. The Mirage "angry" demo is stellar and anybody who prefers the tepid SYW version is on crack.
:nod:

The SYW version is so boring and over-produced, I honestly don't see the appeal in it. I hate the Tusk version as well.

[GODDESS6]

;UV the demo, cuz she just sounds so pissed, she sings it so passionately~

[Kelly]

You know I just view them almost as two different songs. I enjoy both. I figured that it was nearly impossible for her to capture that level of anger and bitterness again thirty years after the fact. Hence the more mellow, less intense version on SYW. When she sings songs about Lindsey, like Silver Springs, she CAN still capture the old feelings...the passion is still there. With a song about Henley, she doesn't have the same level of emotion she did. She doesn't care all that much about some old incident.
I think she sings the "little one" line about the woman, not the man.."if shes a willing little one".......the little one is willing to take his ****, put up with his womanizing. Stevie is not, so he can leave the key and hit the road.
I do not think for one second Stevie regrets smiling at Lindsey. She always lights up like a Christmas tree when she tells the story about the first time she saw him singing California Dreaming. "from the moment, that I first laid..eyes...on...you...all alone on..the edge of 17, seemed broken hearted, something within him"....."Well I see him doing what I try to do for me, with the words of a poet and the voice of a choir and a melody...nothing else mattered"... I hear no regret at their meeting. (yea, I know the Petty story, it is how Stevie came up with the title of the song)

[mylittledemon]

Well since I despise the SYW version, I'd have to go with the demo. I don't think it's a great song anyways. The words are good, but the arrangement is just yucky.

[SapphireSister]

She always lights up like a Christmas tree when she tells the story about the first time she saw him singing California Dreaming. "from the moment, that I first laid..eyes...on...you...all alone on..the edge of 17, seemed broken hearted, something within him"....."Well I see him doing what I try to do for me, with the words of a poet and the voice of a choir and a melody...nothing else mattered"... I hear no regret at their meeting. (yea, I know the Petty story, it is how Stevie came up with the title of the song)

Since when is Edge of 17 about Lindsey? I've never heard this before. I know it's about the death of her uncle and John Lennon and that she got the title from Petty's wife but I've never heard her say those lyrics were in reference to her first meeting with Lindsey. Do tell! :)

[tlssln]

Really? I always thought it was about someone else.

- Jake
It really doesn't matter who it's about, only Stevie knows but Lindsey thinks everything's about him so that probably colored his production on SYW.

[tlssln]

Don't forget the telling lyric: "Don't ask me why...just get to tweezin'!" :)

- Jake

LOL. Stevie's taste in men confounds me.

[tlssln]

I have two or three, and one of them says Little One very clearly.

- Jake

Yep, she says, "You're so willin', little one...I won't be staying".