Help A Guy: Does Length Really Matter? [Archive]

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:04 AM

Just wondering which songs you think go on too long, and which ones are too short.

For me, I think Lindsey's I'm So Afraid (live), Not That Funny (live), and GYOW are too long, but Without A Leg To Stand On and Doesn't Anything Last would be even better with more.

I like the length of most Stevie songs, but I get irritated by the endless endings of the Practical Magic Crystal & RAL's Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You. It's Only Love is fine, but I wouldn't mind it if it were a bit longer.

For Christine, I'd love it if Homeward Bound, All Over Again, and Honey Hi were longer. Love Shines and Skies The Limit go on too long for my taste.

Hotel California is a good song that goes on toooo long. Same with Hey Jude. I wish Eleanor Rigby were longer.

- Jake

diamondsnake

07-13-2005, 02:07 AM

Okay, your thread title is really wierd! I thought you were talking about something else.

Anyways, I would say that length matters in concert. I almost got bored during the endless Standback drum solo and Edge guitar solo. On the albums, I'm not really bothered by it.

Janet

07-13-2005, 02:07 AM

Width, its all about width and the motion of the ocean LOL

diamondsnake

07-13-2005, 02:10 AM

Christine's I'd Rather Go Blind is way too short!!! Honey Hi is pretty short too.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:13 AM

Okay, your thread title is really wierd! I thought you were talking about something else.

I was kidding.
Oy, youth. :rolleyes: ;)

- Jake

estranged4life

07-13-2005, 02:14 AM

if the music can keep my attention then I dont mind excessive lengthy songs, Look at Dream Theater's "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" set, The shortest track clocks in at 6:46 while the title track (Which is the whole of disc #2) clocks in at 42:04 in length (The title track of DT's "Octavarium" clocks in at 24:00 :nod: I'm glad DT's songs are lengthy, No chance of hearing 'em played on the blandness which is radio) much longer than any Fleetwood Mac/Eagles/Beatles/etc music...

Mainly just depends on what type of music you like or if you a person who can enjoy the musical instrumentation moreso than the lyrical content (Which fits me to a "T")

I am more a progressive metal fan than a fan of the "jam-band" genre dominated by the Grateful Dead & Phish.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:15 AM

Width, its all about width and the motion of the ocean LOL

That was the gist of Elaine Boosler's act when I saw her years ago.

- Jake

xdreamsunwindx

07-13-2005, 02:15 AM

This thread title made me giggle like a catholic schoolgirl in sex ed.

Anyways, Sara is waaaaaaaaaay too long. What happened to two and a half minute songs? I miss you, punk rock! :{

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:17 AM

Sara. Goes on WAAAAY too long. My God.

I used to think so as well but now I love it. Amazing that the album edit seems almost too long, but the cleaning lady (longer) version is just right. Guess it's that I love the additional lyrics and all the oooh-aaah harmonies at the end.

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:18 AM

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:20 AM

This thread title made me giggle like a catholic schoolgirl in sex ed

Keep it in your pants, Brittney. :cool: :lol:

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:21 AM

I'll add that American Pie is too long. Even the radio edit version.

- Jake

GypsySorcerer

07-13-2005, 02:22 AM

Sisters of the Moon -- too much intro.

ryan8472

07-13-2005, 02:24 AM

I'll add that American Pie is too long. Even the radio edit version.

- Jake
Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:27 AM

Sisters of the Moon -- too much intro.

To each his own. I love it. :blob2:

- Jake

GypsySorcerer

07-13-2005, 02:28 AM

To each his own. I love it. :blob2:

- Jake

Ahem. To each HER own, please. :mad:

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:28 AM

Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

I do too, but not equally. Madonna's took talent to make such a bad song unbearable in a way that was novel and trite at the same time.

- Jake

diamondsnake

07-13-2005, 02:28 AM

Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!
I love the Madonna version.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:29 AM

Ahem. To each HER own, please. :mad:

I almost typed that, and then thought, hey, who'll care? Sorry.

- Jake

diamondsnake

07-13-2005, 02:30 AM

The intro to In the Back of My Mind is unbearably long! It is pretty cool, but I don't have time to sit there and listen to two minutes of an alien invasion.

GypsySorcerer

07-13-2005, 02:31 AM

I almost typed that, and then thought, hey, who'll care? Sorry.

- Jake

I was joshin' ya, dear. English geeks care. :lol:

estranged4life

07-13-2005, 02:31 AM

I don't know it but generally I need lyrics, not being a musician myself.

- Jake

if you are musically inclined you tend to want to listen to longer musical compositions...Whereas if not you tend to listen to shorter more focused songs.

I like short songs as long as they catch my attention, Don't wanna hear a rehash of something that is similar to something that has already been done before :nod:

GypsySorcerer

07-13-2005, 02:33 AM

Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

*sigh* You young kids these days. ;)

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:35 AM

The intro to In the Back of My Mind is unbearably long! It is pretty cool, but I don't have time to sit there and listen to two minutes of an alien invasion.

I thought so too but it was great when it opened the Mask show I saw. After the weird & long into went on building suspense, just before the real vocals started the mask walls flipped up & the band was revealed. The crowd went crazy when the spotlights focused on Chris & Stevie for their successive vocals. Great way to introduce each member.

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:37 AM

I was joshin' ya, dear. English geeks care. :lol:

And so did the womyn at my college.
And I care, too.
Hey, at least I didn't write To each their own. :distress:

- Jake

Stevie_Buck

07-13-2005, 02:41 AM

"Without a Leg..." is really short... as is "Still of The Night"

Any Skynyrd song is Hell!

GypsySorcerer

07-13-2005, 02:41 AM

And so did the womyn at my college.
And I care, too.
Hey, at least I didn't write To each their own. :distress:

- Jake

Very good. :)

mylittledemon

07-13-2005, 07:39 AM

Just wondering which songs you think go on too long, and which ones are too short.

For me, I think Lindsey's I'm So Afraid (live), Not That Funny (live), and GYOW are too long, but Without A Leg To Stand On and Doesn't Anything Last would be even better with more.

- Jake

Yeah I was about to start discussing the size of....er...nevermind.

If you change the length of the song, such as So Afraid and GYOW, then you've heavily altered it. I dont think I'm So Afraid would be what it is without that 3 minute solo at the end. Besides, Lindsey is just so good at it, it's intrigues me every time I watch him. I would agree about Not That Funny...but remember when you're at the shows and in that environment, the length of those songs is good for theatrics. It doesnt translate as well to a stereo-mixed CD.

dissention

07-13-2005, 07:59 AM

Say You Will is too long. With what she has to work with, it shouldn't be more than two and a half minutes. After that, it gets ridiculously cloying.

The Practical Magic version of Crystal is putrid. Six minutes of that should be mass-marketed in pill form as a cure for insomnia.

Not That Funny live is fun for awhile, but after so long, you just want him to get off already and stop his orgasmic moaning.

Free Bird is toooooooooooo long. A second of that sucker is too long, but the one they put on record is pure torture. I imagine having my testicles poked at with a soldering tool would be more pleasant than listening to that thing in it's entirety. The vocal on that song drives me mad, too.

The Ledge is short and sweet, and I like that, but I wouldn't mind if it was longer.

Emmylou Harris' Little Bird is too damned short. Another minute would be great.

As much as I love Bowie's song Sunday, it drives me bonkers that it ends as soon as it kicks into gear. The live versions are great because they go on for a bit longer.

skcin

07-13-2005, 09:23 AM

^ I agree with everything Diss just posted :shocked: ^

Except the Free Bird stuff. I love Free Bird.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 10:46 AM

Say You Will is too long. With what she has to work with, it shouldn't be more than two and a half minutes. After that, it gets ridiculously cloying.

Free Bird is toooooooooooo long. A second of that sucker is too long, but the one they put on record is pure torture. I imagine having my testicles poked at with a soldering tool would be more pleasant than listening to that thing in it's entirety.

Yeah, like you need to imagine. ;)

I know most posters agree about SYW, but I think it's fine.

Come, on the other hand... (And not one comment about my phrasing, thank you.)

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 10:47 AM

If you change the length of the song, such as So Afraid and GYOW, then you've heavily altered it.

I get that, & I'd be all for it.

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 10:48 AM

Another one that is agonizingly long is Hollywood on the Time album. It pains me.

- Jake

face of glass

07-13-2005, 11:32 AM

Another one that is agonizingly long is Hollywood on the Time album. It pains me.
On the other hand "These Strange Times" should be a lot longer than it is, in order to include more verses about every member of FM. ;)

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 12:25 PM

On the other hand "These Strange Times" should be a lot longer than it is, in order to include more verses about every member of FM. ;)

Listen, nobody likes a wise-ass lizard person. ;)

- Jake

amber

07-13-2005, 12:35 PM

Sisters of the Moon -- too much intro.
Blasphemer!! I can't get enough of John's bass!
The end of Come goes on way to long. But I think that about most guitar solos. Oh, so, add the end of ISA from the Dance, too.

chiliD

07-13-2005, 12:39 PM

The intro to In the Back of My Mind is unbearably long! It is pretty cool, but I don't have time to sit there and listen to two minutes of an alien invasion.

Jeez, after "Oh Well", that's the best two minutes of Fleetwood Mac's career. :shrug:

The live versions of the Allman Bros Band's "In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed", "Whipping Post", Fleetwood Mac's "Rattlesnake Shake", Blind Faith's "Do What You Like", Cream's "Spoonful" can never be deemed "too long".

Yet, Skynyrd's "Free Bird" is "too long" at the first chord change.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 12:39 PM

Blasphemer!! I can't get enough of John's bass!
The end of Come goes on way to long. But I think that about most guitar solos. Oh, so, add the end of ISA from the Dance, too.

:nod: :xoxo:

- Jake

madformac

07-13-2005, 12:40 PM

Oh, so, add the end of ISA from the Dance, too.

That's the most appalling thing I've ever heard... :eek: :blob2: :lol:

ISA Dance Version is perfect....
:nod:

amber

07-13-2005, 12:43 PM

:nod: :xoxo:

- Jake
kisses? for me?

That's the most appalling thing I've ever heard...

ISA Dance Version is perfect....
Yes, I figured I'd hear from you, or other super guitar heads, on that one. Sorry, I'm sure it's brill and all, it just gets old for me. And jake's kiss outweighs your appallation. :laugh: Maybe in the far future, when I get really good on guitar ( :rolleyes: ) I'll change my mind. But probably not.

madformac

07-13-2005, 12:57 PM

Maybe in the far future, when I get really good on guitar ( :rolleyes: ) I'll change my mind. But probably not.

Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind..... :] :lol:

dissention

07-13-2005, 01:10 PM

I know most posters agree about SYW, but I think it's fine.

For me, the song goes absolutely nowhere and it certainly isn't helped by her singing the same chorus over and over. And over and over. And over. Was she just too lazy to think of more stuff?

sparky

07-13-2005, 01:10 PM

sparky

07-13-2005, 01:12 PM

For me, the song goes absolutely nowhere and it certainly isn't helped by her singing the same chorus over and over. And over and over. And over. Was she just too lazy to think of more stuff?

IT'S THE POET THAT SHE IS, fer cryin out loud.

HomerMcvie

07-13-2005, 01:12 PM

Yet, Skynyrd's "Free Bird" is "too long" at the first chord change.
I can't stand Skynyrd. I've seen, up close :( , the people who worship them. THAT has made me extremely prejudiced against them. White trash, redneck anthems. :sorry:

dissention

07-13-2005, 01:13 PM

I like a really thick song generally...I mean, um..

:eek:

A long song is fine if it's going somewhere. As has been said, I love the intro to In The Back Of My Mind. And I love the intro to SOTM. And the song BTM.
Sometimes though, instrumentals go nowhere...part of the live Stand Back intro, Mick's drum solo...

Don't we all...

That Taku **** before Stand Back makes me fall asleep. It's as satisfying as letting a kid into your kitchen to bang on your pots and pans with a wooden spoon. Mick's drum solo should be banished for all of eternity.

dudden22

07-13-2005, 01:14 PM

The Ledge is way too short.

dissention

07-13-2005, 01:17 PM

IT'S THE POET THAT SHE IS, fer cryin out loud.

Sorry, I forgot. The unfinished train of thought in the first verse threw me off. And I try to block it out for the most part because of those singing Smurfs at the tail end of it.

mylittledemon

07-13-2005, 01:21 PM

Another one that is agonizingly long is Hollywood on the Time album. It pains me.

- Jake

I know somewhere in Texas, CHILId is going to protest...but EVERYTHING on "Time" pains me.

mylittledemon

07-13-2005, 01:25 PM

That's the most appalling thing I've ever heard... :eek: :blob2: :lol:

ISA Dance Version is perfect....
:nod:

yes I agree. The Dance version of that song is perfecto. It's pretty much the version I stick to when I've played it live. Although I changed the solo now to match the "Live in Boston" version too. Love his riffs on that stuff!

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:18 PM

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:19 PM

I know somewhere in Texas, CHILId is going to protest...but EVERYTHING on "Time" pains me.

Like I said, I like All Over Again a lot, but I can't stand most of Chris's other tunes on it, which is rare for me.

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:20 PM

Lest we forget the INSANE synth intro to Stand Back on Red Rocks. Jesus.

I love that, especially the drums. I love the looser feel of this version compared to the Shake The Cage Tour tight version.

- Jake

Wild_Heart03

07-13-2005, 02:24 PM

Lest we forget the INSANE synth intro to Stand Back on Red Rocks. Jesus.

Dear God, that thing goes on FOREVER. So does the EO17 intro.... I remember the song itself as ending up being 14 minutes or so when I got the mp3.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 02:28 PM

The Ledge is way too short.

I think it's just that it's so fast.

- Jake

dissention

07-13-2005, 03:14 PM

Aren't you a Family Man lover? :shrug:

- Jake

Yeah, the music. You think I like it for the lyrics and the Popeye vocals? :shrug:

dissention

07-13-2005, 03:25 PM

Some that I think go on too long or have parts in them that go on too long:
Blondie - Atomic
Blondie - Rapture

:eek:

I was actually quite pissed that they shortened Atomic on the last tour. It used to be epic and they cut it down to five minutes. There can never be enough of Atomic, silly. I totally dug the sound effects that they added onto Rapture, especially the one after she sings "wild attack." Cracks me up.

I agree with the HOG album version, though. I rarely listen to it.

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 03:37 PM

Some that I think go on too long or have parts in them that go on too long:
Blondie - Atomic
Blondie - Rapture
Blondie - Heart Of Glass

The album versions, at least.I named Rapture in the first post. :nod:

Atomic is my favorite song by them, though I know only the album version. And I can't listen to it without thinking of shampoo.

- Jake

dissention

07-13-2005, 03:37 PM

I must be the worst Blondie fan ever, because whenever Atomic comes on I always listen to the first few minutes, then it gets to that instrumental part (not the bass solo, because that's fun, I think it comes after that) and I just press the Next button. I skip over that part so much I don't even know when that part comes in. :laugh:

My favorite is the live album version. When Debbie returns after the long instrumental (and only Blondie could morph a song into a spaghetti western dirge and make it work), she sounds so ****ing sexy with that low voice and then nails the very end. Listen to it again, Greg. ;)

The part in Rapture that bugs is that looooooong instrumental break, I think with the saxophone or whatever. I always fast forward through it.

I don't really listen to the album version of that one, either. :laugh: I do like the special disco mix on the resissue, though, for some strange reason.

GardenStateGirlie

07-13-2005, 08:20 PM

Honestly, some versions of Sara are far too long but I was absolutely enthralled with her performances on the SYW tour. I do find Come to be rather annoying at certain points (in the song, wiseasses). I venture to guess it's the repetitiveness of SYW that makes people think it's far too long. I run hot and cold with that song. I find Lindsey's Go Insane album to have some ridiculously long songs on it (namely Play In The Rain and its continuation -- I loose interest after he yells "LET'S PLAY" during the first part -- or maybe it's because that line is so hot that everything after is incredibly anticlimactic? :shrug: )

darklinensuit

07-13-2005, 11:25 PM

Elton's Philadelphia Freedom is way too long.
CSN&Y's Ohio is too short.

- Jake

dissention

07-14-2005, 12:11 AM

Elton's Philadelphia Freedom is way too long.

So is Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters. It never seems to end.

tuigirl

07-14-2005, 12:43 PM

the one song, I have an absolute beef about being so short is Second hand news (any live version after the Dance really)
Lb's guitar solo gets cut off just as it gets going and it drives me potty, it's such a good crowd pleaser and yet it finishes all of a sudden :mad: ..naughty lindsey ..... I dolike most other songs though...