USA Today's Top 20 Greatest American Rock Bands

[estranged4life]

Top 20 greatest American rock bands of all time, according to the readers of USA Today:

01. Pearl Jam
02. Aerosmith
03. Van Halen
04. The Eagles
05. Journey
06. Guns N' Roses
07. The Grateful Dead
08. Queensryche
09. The Doors
10. R.E.M.
11. The Allman Brothers Band and Fleetwood Mac (tie)
12. Metallica
13. Kiss
14. The Ramones
15. Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band and Creedence Clearwater Revival (tie)
16. Dave Matthews Band and Lynyrd Skynyrd (tie)
17. The Beach Boys
18. Nirvana
19. The Replacements
20. Bon Jovi

For a detailed explanation for each pick, visit USAToday.com.

[Moony]

Top 20 greatest American rock bands of all time, according to the readers of USA Today:
01. Pearl Jam


You've GOT to be kidding me. :shrug:

[dissention]

I only like TWO of those; The Ramones and REM. What a sucky list. :cool:

[wondergirl9847]

What a fricked up list.

[wondergirl9847]

I only like TWO of those; The Ramones and REM. What a sucky list. :cool:

You don't like FM? LOL

[jadegypsy]

As my dad says everybodys got an A**hole (ummm an opinion).
Honestly where are:
The Byrds
The Jefferson Airplane
The BB&Hco with Janis
Santana
Heart (or are they canadian?)
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Jimi Hendrix Experience (I think he was American but became famous in Britian?)
CSN&Y ???
AND since when was The Mac and AMerican band (I always considered it British)

[dissention]

You don't like FM? LOL

They're on the list?! I completely missed that. :o :laugh:

[WildInTheWind]

And Pearl Jam is #1?? That's just wrong. And were is Led Zeppelin?? Who IMO is the greatest rock band ever.
Edit.....whoops. Just saw that is was AMERICAN bands, which would leave Zeppelin out. Wouldn't that cut FM out of the picture too, or if they have 2 AMerican memebers they are an american band :shrug: ?

[jadegypsy]

Led Zepp is British!

[ontheEdgeof17]

Santana



I don't like this band. All their hits were covers (Black Magic Woman) or sung by major artist at the time. :rolleyes:

[WildInTheWind]

Led Zepp is British!
I know.....I totally missed that it was American bands when I first read it.

[amber]

As my dad says everybodys got an A**hole (ummm an opinion).
Honestly where are:
The Byrds
The Jefferson Airplane
The BB&Hco with Janis
Santana
Heart (or are they canadian?)
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Jimi Hendrix Experience (I think he was American but became famous in Britian?)
CSN&Y ???
AND since when was The Mac and AMerican band (I always considered it British)
Heart, Tom Petty, and Jimi should really, really, really be on there. Heart is from Seattle, I think.

[WildInTheWind]

As my dad says everybodys got an A**hole (ummm an opinion).
Honestly where are:
The Byrds
The Jefferson Airplane
The BB&Hco with Janis
Santana
Heart (or are they canadian?)
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Jimi Hendrix Experience (I think he was American but became famous in Britian?)
CSN&Y ???
AND since when was The Mac and AMerican band (I always considered it British)

Heart is a Canadian band. I'm not sure if Hendrix is American or not. I'm trying to hear him talk in my head, but I can't. (that sounds a little strange. lol)

[dissention]

And the greatest American rock band ever is ...
I knew last week's column would spark heated debate among music aficionados, but I didn't realize just how intense it would get until the e-mail started pouring in — more e-mail, in fact, than I've received about any other column.

And though the results were close, there could only be one winner. So, without further ado, I present your top pick for the greatest American rock band of all time:

Yes, the Seattle rockers outranked powerhouses such as Van Halen (No. 3), The Doors (No. 9) and Nirvana, which landed at No. 18. At first, I was shocked by the choice (to be honest, I fully expected Aerosmith to win). But the more e-mail I read, the more it began to make sense.

Why is Pearl Jam the greatest? Here's what you said:

•They've stayed true to themselves. "Instead of selling out with videos and constant press coverage, they pulled back at their height, and focused on the music," wrote Willie McNabb in El Dorado, Ark. "They belong up there with Neil Young, Zeppelin and The Beatles because they never compromised their integrity, which is really all any of us have."

•The music rocks. From Atlanta reader Tom Baker: "They've continually reshaped their sound, album after album, and are still making great, vital music 12+ years into their career. What else could you want?"
Want to interview Pearl Jam?

You debated, you voted and now you've chosen the No. 1 American rock band of all time.

But wait, it's not over: Pearl Jam guitarist Mike McCready wants your questions! Scroll to the bottom of the page for details on how to get in on the action.

•Their records sell ... "... because they're good, not because they've been hyped to death by the media," McNabb added.

•There have been scores of imitators. "How many Pearl Jam/Eddie Vedder knockoffs have invaded rock radio since Ten?" asked Scott Jordan, another Atlanta fan.

•Their concerts are first-rate — and affordable. Jake Mohlman from Barrington, R.I., praised the band for keeping ticket prices low. "It's unique in an era when most artists gouge their fans to the limit," he wrote. "Likewise, releasing their shows on low-cost bootlegs brings a new dimension to seeing one of their shows."

See below for the rest of the top 20 and more of your comments. For more debate, feel free to chat with me at 1 p.m. ET.

2. Aerosmith. "Their first hit was in 1973, and they're still selling out concerts," wrote Brooklyn Center, Minn., reader Darren Slack, who added that "fans don't boo them if they play stuff off their latest album" and they're "probably one of the first groups teenagers and parents both dig (and not in a Pat Boone kind of way, either)." Said David Matthews from Tampa: "No one died, no one got p—-ed and left the band, no one got kicked out and was replaced — and their ability to rock the house is still going strong."

3. Van Halen. "How many bands from America have been as huge as Van Halen, then had to replace the lead singer and still be as popular, or even more popular, than before?" asked St. Louis reader Christopher Cokenour. "Van Halen's songwriting, whether with David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar, took you to a place of happiness, never getting too heavy, never being too stupid." In addition, Patrick Beam in Little Rock was one of several readers to say "Eddie Van Halen influenced every guitarist that was alive or has been born since."

4. The Eagles. "They win for longevity (I've got my ticket stub to their 1977 Hotel California tour), concert performances (also have ticket stubs from six 'farewell' concerts), they write their own songs and have tons of records sold," said longtime fan Sheri Broom from Savannah, Ga.
Whitney's picks for the top American bands (they go to 11)
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5. Journey. "No contest!" said Deer Park, Texas, fan Bob Barney. (He went on to type the band's name 12 times using a large font and a spectrum of colors.) From Ronda Nelson in Terre Haute, Ind.: "They have been rockin' for over 30 years and are out on tour right now supporting a new CD."

6. Guns N' Roses. "A lot of people have said that it's unbelievable that Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine and Patience could have all come from the same band," wrote Laurie Hamilton from Bennington, Vt. Said Marlborough, Mass., reader Matthew Sychantha: "These guys practically set up the world, combining punk, thrash metal and hair metal in an interesting, twisted style."

7. The Grateful Dead. "I feel a band's records are limiting; true musical genius comes through live music," wrote Carl Fuller, a Dead fan from Flagstaff, Ariz. "The Dead also created an entire tribal subculture in society. Few bands can claim this honor."

8. Queensryche. Some reasons why, according to David Russell in Fishkill, N.Y.: "They've endured 25 years of the changing rock scene. They still tour all the time, selling out all the time and putting on an unbeatable live show. Their music has evolved with the times and has never failed to succeed. Their lyrics are constantly full of thought-provoking material and deep meaning. They are the best all around band ... period!"

9. The Doors. "They had the complete package: musicianship, lyrics, songs and stage presence," wrote Michael Morris from Bourne, Mass. "But more importantly, their music has far transcended the band (even with the cult-psycho-martyr status of Jim Morrison) and stands the test of time. No one was doing, or will ever do, what The Doors did. They were the original alternative band, and that makes them the greatest American band."

10. R.E.M. "Their ability to link lyrics with great depth to an alternative/folk/rock sound is unparalleled in the world of music," said Lebanon, Pa., fan Jay McCumber. "There is no one who sounds like R.E.M. except R.E.M. Automatic For The People is the greatest American rock record ever."

11. The Allman Brothers Band and Fleetwood Mac (tie). "Duane Allman was one of the greatest guitar players that ever lived; a legitimate argument could even be made that he was the best," wrote Pittsburgh fan Ned Twyman. Jeff Sprankle from East Haddam, Conn., agreed, adding, "this band has had benders that have lasted longer than most bands' careers." As for the Mac, Debbie Gultice in Xenia, Ohio, said "harmonies between Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie are haunting. And who has ever heard of a band with three songwriters who can create hits?"

12. Metallica. From Patrick Dickens: "Although I don't like where heavy metal is today, Metallica essentially created an entire sub-genre of rock 'n' roll. Even if some won't give them credit for creating heavy metal, there is no doubt that they defined it and carried everybody else along on their backs."

13. KISS. "Thirty-two years, millions of records, massive merchandising and a fan base that does not want them to stop touring, ever" qualify them as the best band, according to Christopher Burke in Colorado Springs. As for those live shows, Michael Gershe in Akron, Ohio, said they're "the most fun you can have for two hours with your clothes on."

14. The Ramones. "Every band, American or otherwise, has been influenced by them in some fashion," said Raleigh reader Tom Maeser. From Matt Cox: "They didn't burn out, they didn't fade away, and they weren't a one-hit wonder. They were a band who played to make music and turn people on. I got turned on to the Ramones in the fifth grade, and today, 20 years later, they are still my favorite band, and my kids' favorite band."

15. Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band and Creedence Clearwater Revival (tie). Steve Howell from Bear, Del., had a few things to say about E Street: "From a recorded album perspective, (their) stuff is indescribable. If you haven't seen them, don't walk, run, to get tickets the next time they are in town. The first thing you will think after the show is, 'I want to — no, I need to — go again tomorrow night.'" And Creedence? "They define good ol' American rock," wrote Andrew Neuburger in Olathe, Kan. "They have 20+ songs that get regular play on many different radio formats. A great combination of rock, country, R&B, rockabilly and swamp pop made their songs accessible to everyone."

16. Dave Matthews Band and Lynyrd Skynyrd (tie). "DMB is the epitome of what American rock stands for: huge tours, loud rock and the working class," wrote Gabriel Wallis in Greenville, S.C. Mike Minnick in Morton, Pa., praised Skynyrd's "killer songs ... and they still tour in spite of losing so many members. And the music still sounds the same as when they were still complete."

17. The Beach Boys. "The Beach boys, fueled by Brian Wilson, were the only band to compete with arguably England's best-ever rock band, The Beatles," wrote Milwaukee fan Nick Blavat. "Pet Sounds still pushes what music is, even by a 2005 standard. Brian Wilson's George Lucas-like re-touching of the Beach Boys' unreleased masterpiece, Smile, clearly shows their staying power and influence in American music."

18. Nirvana. From Greg Mahoney, a college professor in Georgetown Township, Mich.: "The first time I heard Nevermind, to paraphrase Beck out of context, I knew things were gonna change, I could feel it. To bolster the point: I do most of my research in China, (and) during the nation's first Beer Festival, held in Shenzhen, a teenage cover band fronted by a punked-out Chinese girl ripped through Smells Like Teen Spirit with all the ferocity of Cobain and Co. Indeed, things had changed, and you could feel it."

19. The Replacements. Among Bill Walsh's long list of reasons for picking the 'Mats, the Illinois reader said that "Tommy Stinson was 13 when they recorded their first album, Sorry Ma, Forgot To take Out the Trash, "the high school in Heathers is Westerberg High" and, finally, "What other band would have the cojones to name an album Let It Be, which is better than the Beatles' version?"

Rounding out the list is ...

20. Bon Jovi. Unfortunately, most voters chose not to elaborate why Jon, Richie and the gang were tops. I guess they wanted the music to speak for itself — or maybe they were just too busy rocking to type.

Whitney's picks for the top American bands (they go to 11)

1. R.E.M.
2. The Ramones
3. Guns N' Roses
4. The Grateful Dead
5. Aerosmith
6. The Replacements
7. Heart
8. Guided by Voices
9. The Velvet Underground
10. Big Star
11. The Stooges

http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/popcandy/2005-07-05-pop-candy_x.htm

Her personal list is MUCH better.

[Moony]

Heart, Tom Petty, and Jimi should really, really, really be on there. Heart is from Seattle, I think.
:nod:

What I want to know is...

Where is HANSON????

damnit.

[amber]

Heart is a Canadian band. I'm not sure if Hendrix is American or not. I'm trying to hear him talk in my head, but I can't. (that sounds a little strange. lol)
Are you sure? I heard they were born in Seattle, or Portland. :shrug:

[dissention]

The original article with Stevie pic and Mac mention:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/popcandy/2005-06-28-pop-candy_x.htm

And Amber's right, Heart is from Seattle.

[estranged4life]

is a popularity contest IMO...Nuthin' more than another media outlets idea of whom they think is hip/trendy.

[dissention]

:nod:

What I want to know is...

Where is HANSON????

damnit.

:lol:

I just peed!

[ontheEdgeof17]

:nod:

What I want to know is...

Where is HANSON????

damnit.

:lol:

I like Hanson. :eek:

[amber]

:lol:

I like Hanson. :eek:
That youngest one was hella cute, I had my eye on him.... :lol:

[estranged4life]

:nod:

What I want to know is...

Where is HANSON????

damnit.

my former hometown of Tulsa, Oklahoma...Probably being mistaken as the "Children of the Corn" by the mindless flock sheperding relig-a-tards controlling that city :nod:

[mylittledemon]

Top 20 greatest American rock bands of all time, according to the readers of USA Today:

For a detailed explanation for each pick, visit USAToday.com.


Hmm...thats odd. Fleetwood Mac wasnt an American rock band. Although I guess you could say the Stevie/Lindsey lineup made them officially "americanized." Where in the hell is Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers??! it doesnt get any more American than that. Losers...

[WildInTheWind]

Are you sure? I heard they were born in Seattle, or Portland. :shrug:

I always thought they were Canadian. I could be wrong (it has happened once or twice before believe it or not :cool: ) I know they first became popular in Canada with Magic Man, and they sound Canadian when they talk. :shrug: Now I really want to know!!!

[amber]

I always thought they were Canadian. I could be wrong (it has happened once or twice before believe it or not :cool: ) I know they first became popular in Canada with Magic Man, and they sound Canadian when they talk. :shrug: Now I really want to know!!!
You can know! just read up a couple posts, where Diss confirms I am right... :D

[Moony]

:lol:

I like Hanson. :eek:

:sorry:

;)

[WildInTheWind]

You can know! just read up a couple posts, where Diss confirms I am right... :D
Thank you! That was bothering me for the past minute and a half! :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Thank you! That was bothering me for the past minute and a half! :thumbsup:

I've been listening to Alive In Seattle all weekend and trust me, they're from Seattle. :laugh: What a kick ass album, too.

[ontheEdgeof17]

That youngest one was hella cute, I had my eye on him.... :lol:


He's looking good these days.


OMG. Did I just say that?

[Moony]

He's looking good these days.


OMG. Did I just say that?
as long as you don't think the oldest one is cute, it's ok.

He looked like a neaderthal for christ's sake. :laugh:

[Lisa1769]

Yeah, their from Seattle. When they filmed the Summer of Love Tour, The DVDs entitled Alive In Seattle, and Ann even says their, there where they really want to be the most.

[ontheEdgeof17]

He looked like a neaderthal for christ's sake. :laugh:


Everytime I see asparagus, I think of him.

[amber]

He's looking good these days.


OMG. Did I just say that?
and the problem is?..... :shrug: :D
he was the spunky one, too. ;)

[WildInTheWind]

I've been listening to Alive In Seattle all weekend and trust me, they're from Seattle. :laugh: What a kick ass album, too.

I haven't heard Alive in Seattle yet. I just got the Heart boxset and was a bit dissapointed with it. Not enough previously unreleased material. I am obsessed with the 75/76 Heart bootlegs though. They are killer live.

[Lisa1769]

I've been listening to Alive In Seattle all weekend and trust me, they're from Seattle. :laugh: What a kick ass album, too.

Me too! :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Yeah, their from Seattle. When they filmed the Summer of Love Tour, The DVDs entitled Alive In Seattle, and Ann even says their, there where they really want to be the most.

I love that DVD, man.

"Hey, I flipped a pick!"

"Ann has become a pick-flipper."

"She's stealing my beer, man."

"We're gonna stir the brew. Get ready to stir!"

[amber]

I've been listening to Alive In Seattle all weekend and trust me, they're from Seattle. :laugh: What a kick ass album, too.
oooooo....thanks for the tip. Even though I want to buy it but probably won't, maybe I will. It's live, right? I'm astounded at how good live Heart is. My favorite live (I haven't heard everything, but) is Straight On. It kicks very serious bun. Amber caliber bun. :nod:

[ontheEdgeof17]

and the problem is?..... :shrug: :D
he was the spunky one, too. ;)


Little Drummer Boy:

http://www.hitzdiary.com/gallery/2004photos/mtvcribs/images/cribs12.jpg

[Lisa1769]

I love that DVD, man.



"We're gonna stir the brew. Get ready to stir!"


Stright On, Baby!!!

[WildInTheWind]

Yeah, their from Seattle. When they filmed the Summer of Love Tour, The DVDs entitled Alive In Seattle, and Ann even says their, there where they really want to be the most.

I'm going to have to get that. Do they do any cool covers on there? I love the covers Heart does.

[dissention]

oooooo....thanks for the tip. Even though I want to buy it but probably won't, maybe I will. It's live, right? I'm astounded at how good live Heart is. My favorite live (I haven't heard everything, but) is Straight On. It kicks very serious bun. Amber caliber bun. :nod:

Straight On is GREAT on the live album. It truly is a stellar album and they sound exactly as they did 25 years ago. Personally, I think it's worth buying for The Battle of Evermore and Sister Wild Rose alone.

[Lisa1769]

oooooo....thanks for the tip. Even though I want to buy it but probably won't, maybe I will. It's live, right? I'm astounded at how good live Heart is. My favorite live (I haven't heard everything, but) is Straight On. It kicks very serious bun. Amber caliber bun. :nod:


Amber....listen to me....you must get it.....

I wonder if i could burn it, I bet I can, If I can I will mail it to you. It's that good!!!

[dissention]

I'm going to have to get that. Do they do any cool covers on there? I love the covers Heart does.

:nod:

Black Dog
Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters
The Battle of Evermore (AMAZING)

and some new songs that aren't on any albums:

Break the Rock
The Witch
Sister Wild Rose
Two Faces of Eve

[WildInTheWind]

Straight On is GREAT on the live album. It truly is a stellar album and they sound exactly as they did 25 years ago. Personally, I think it's worth buying for The Battle of Evermore and Sister Wild Rose alone.

They sound that good, huh? I have some shows from the mid 80's from them and I was a little dissapointed. I got used to rock out the whole time 70's shows. But I don't think I have heard anything from them in the past few years.

[dissention]

Amber....listen to me....you must get it.....

I wonder if i could burn it, I bet I can, If I can I will mail it to you. It's that good!!!

Lemme see if I can upload some of it to You Send It, it IS that good. :nod:

[The Tower]

I always thought they were Canadian. I could be wrong (it has happened once or twice before believe it or not :cool: ) I know they first became popular in Canada with Magic Man, and they sound Canadian when they talk. :shrug: Now I really want to know!!!
They are from Seattle, WA (and all over America as they are military brats).

In 69/70ish Ann Wilson's boyfriend, Mike Fisher (brother of Heart lead guitarist Roger Fisher), ditched the Vietnam draft and moved to Vancouver. Ann followed him there ("Magic Man", "Love Alive", "Just the Wine" and many, many other Heart songs penned by Ann and Nancy are about him). Once Nancy was "of age", she too moved to Canada to join Heart (originally called "White Heart") and subsequently shacked up with Roger Fisher.

Heart's eponymous debut was released on Mushroom Records, an independent Canadian label. Heart's second album, Magazine, was mired in legal battles over publishing and creative control with Mushroom. The members of Heart moved back to Seattle, signed with Capitol records and released Little Queen. After the legal troubles with Mushroom were settled, Heart re-released Magazine once they could get their hands on it to improve some aspects of the production.

The rest is fantastic history.

[amber]

Amber....listen to me....you must get it.....

I wonder if i could burn it, I bet I can, If I can I will mail it to you. It's that good!!!
Oh, I believe you! I hope I remember to look for it...course, a free one is better. :laugh: But you don't have to go through the trouble. I *might* be able to live until I buy it. Might. :p

[dissention]

Oh, I believe you! I hope I remember to look for it...course, a free one is better. :laugh: But you don't have to go through the trouble. I *might* be able to live until I buy it. Might. :p

It's pretty expensive (it's a double SACD), but it's worth it. :nod:

[WildInTheWind]

Does this look like the same thing you are talking about?
Heart DVD Live Seattle 2001 (103 minutes) Crazy On You, Sister White Rose, The Witch, Straight On, These Dreams, Mistral Wind, Alone, Dog and Butterfly, Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters, Battle of Evermore, Heaven, Magic Man, Two Faces of Eve, Love Alive, Break the Rock, Barracuda, Wild Child, Black Dog, Dreamboat Annie

When you said they did Mona Lisa's and Mad Hatters it struck something in my head and I checked my trade page. What do you know it was on there! So I've had this the whole time and didn't even know?! I need to pay more attention to my trades. And I had no idea this was an official release!! I know what I'm watching tonight!

[amber]

They are from Seattle, WA (and all over America as they are military brats).

In 69/70ish Ann Wilson's boyfriend, Mike Fisher (brother of Heart lead guitarist Roger Fisher), ditched the Vietnam draft and moved to Vancouver. Ann followed him there ("Magic Man", "Love Alive", "Just the Wine" and many, many other Heart songs penned by Ann and Nancy are about him). Once Nancy was "of age", she too moved to Canada to join Heart (originally called "White Heart") and subsequently shacked up with Roger Fisher.

Heart's eponymous debut was released on Mushroom Records, an independent Canadian label. Heart's second album, Magazine, was mired in legal battles over publishing and creative control with Mushroom. The members of Heart moved back to Seattle, signed with Capitol records and released Little Queen. After the legal troubles with Mushroom were settled, Heart re-released Magazine once they could get their hands on it to improve some aspects of the production.

The rest is fantastic history.

That's right. I remember from "Behind the Music" that for some reason early in their careers they were playing in Canada a lot....
:xoxo: to Towie. I also remember that their mom talked about how Ann got certain "chubby genes" from whatever side of the family, and that she was shy, because of it, kind of, but she always loved to sing, and just became a different person when she was singing. In case anyone wants more useless info.... :D

[The Tower]

Little Drummer Boy:

http://www.hitzdiary.com/gallery/2004photos/mtvcribs/images/cribs12.jpg

For some reason he grosses me out. Taylor is the hot one! :nod:

[dissention]

Does this look like the same thing you are talking about?
Heart DVD Live Seattle 2001 (103 minutes) Crazy On You, Sister White Rose, The Witch, Straight On, These Dreams, Mistral Wind, Alone, Dog and Butterfly, Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters, Battle of Evermore, Heaven, Magic Man, Two Faces of Eve, Love Alive, Break the Rock, Barracuda, Wild Child, Black Dog, Dreamboat Annie

When you said they did Mona Lisa's and Mad Hatters it struck something in my head and I checked my trade page. What do you know it was on there! So I've had this the whole time and didn't even know?! I need to pay more attention to my trades. And I had no idea this was an official release!! I know what I'm watching tonight!

Yup, that's it. :nod: You should love it. These Dreams is particularly good because they ditched all the synthesizers and Nancy sound angelic.

[The Tower]

That's right. I remember from "Behind the Music" that for some reason early in their careers they were playing in Canada a lot....
:xoxo: to Towie. I also remember that their mom talked about how Ann got certain "chubby genes" from whatever side of the family, and that she was shy, because of it, kind of, but she always loved to sing, and just became a different person when she was singing. In case anyone wants more useless info.... :D
More useless info?? Why, you've come to the right place!

Ann always had weight issues. Her boyfriend had issues with it, so she didn't eat and did cocaine. After Mike Fisher ditched her for another woman, that's when she started packing on the pounds by washing down doughnuts with champagne.

She looks really good now at 55 years old. Last year I had front row tickets at the Greek Theatre in LA and was standing right in front of her four feet away for the entire concert. Their latest album, Jupiter's Darling, is pretty good- lame title, but a good album.

[The Tower]

Yup, that's it. :nod: You should love it. These Dreams is particularly good because they ditched all the synthesizers and Nancy sound angelic.
AND John Paul Jones arranged the orchestra!!!! "Dreamboat Annie" is spellbinding and, of course, "Mistral Wind" is earth shattering....

[amber]

More useless info?? Why, you've come to the right place!

Ann always had weight issues. Her boyfriend had issues with it, so she didn't eat and did cocaine. After Mike Fisher ditched her for another woman, that's when she started packing on the pounds by washing down doughnuts with champagne.

She looks really good now at 55 years old. Last year I had front row tickets at the Greek Theatre in LA and was standing right in front of her four feet away for the entire concert. Their latest album, Jupiter's Darling, is pretty good- lame title, but a good album.
Ah, it's all coming back, now.... :nod:
I love the title Jupiters darling. :confused: who wouldn't want to be the darling of the great beneficient of the planets???? :D ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

For some reason he grosses me out. Taylor is the hot one! :nod:


I like "bigger" guys....I guess....guys with meat on their bones. :woohoo:

[amber]

Little Drummer Boy:

http://www.hitzdiary.com/gallery/2004photos/mtvcribs/images/cribs12.jpg
ewwwww!!! He looks gross now!!! I guess the middle one probably looks better?
This one looks too soft, now.

[WildInTheWind]

Yup, that's it. :nod: You should love it. These Dreams is particularly good because they ditched all the synthesizers and Nancy sound angelic.

Sweet. Was it released on CD, too? If it's as good as you guys say I may still have to buy the audio.

[dissention]

Their latest album, Jupiter's Darling, is pretty good- lame title, but a good album.

The bridge on Oldest Story In the World is ORGASMIC. I loves it.

[sparky]

More useless info?? Why, you've come to the right place!

Ann always had weight issues. Her boyfriend had issues with it, so she didn't eat and did cocaine. After Mike Fisher ditched her for another woman, that's when she started packing on the pounds by washing down doughnuts with champagne.

She looks really good now at 55 years old. Last year I had front row tickets at the Greek Theatre in LA and was standing right in front of her four feet away for the entire concert. Their latest album, Jupiter's Darling, is pretty good- lame title, but a good album.

You know I was right behind you. I think I was third row, two seats to the left of center. Are you going to see them at the OC Fair ? I have to go.

[chiliD]

Honestly where are:
The Byrds
The Jefferson Airplane
The BB&Hco with Janis
Santana
Heart (or are they canadian?)
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Jimi Hendrix Experience (I think he was American but became famous in Britian?)
CSN&Y ???
AND since when was The Mac and AMerican band (I always considered it British)

Heart & Jimi Hendrix are both from Seattle.

In addition to those above, what I wanna know is where's: :shrug:
ZZ Top
Buffalo Springfield(since The Byrds were mentioned...CSNY would sort of be a mix of those two bands)
Little Feat
Grand Funk Railroad
Mountain
Poco
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
The Edgar Winter Group
Alice Cooper

Heart's second album, Magazine, was mired in legal battles over publishing and creative control with Mushroom. The members of Heart moved back to Seattle, signed with Capitol records and released Little Queen. After the legal troubles with Mushroom were settled, Heart re-released Magazine once they could get their hands on it to improve some aspects of the production.


I've always had the opinion that the originally released version was actually better than the post-litigation version.

[The Tower]

You know I was right behind you. I think I was third row, two seats to the left of center. Are you going to see them at the OC Fair ? I have to go.
The OC Fair show is sold out. I know you'll probably be able to source out some comp tix, however, I'm not paying scalpers.

I was the 6'4" dude with the 5'3" shrimpy chick (my dearest friend, Cheryl)!

If you were sitting where I think you were sitting then you had to be able to see the guy in the front row a couple of seats down from me. OY!!! He had a huge, poofy, mid-80's poodle-mullet!! :laugh: :laugh: With scary tight jeans and white snakeskin cowboy boots. He was scary and all of maybe 5'4".

[The Tower]

I've always had the opinion that the originally released version was actually better than the post-litigation version.
I like them both. I still have the original release on vinyl. Magazine is probably my favorite Heart album. It is goooooood stuff. "Here Song", "Just the Wine", "Magazine".... it is an awesome album- 1976 personified.

[Hawkeye]

I believe Heart "started" in Canada, but Im not sure. Of course Fleetwood Mac IMO shouldn't be on this list either.

[Hawkeye]

:nod:

Black Dog
Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters
The Battle of Evermore (AMAZING)

and some new songs that aren't on any albums:

Break the Rock
The Witch
Sister Wild Rose
Two Faces of Eve

BLACK DOG! Thats my all time favorite LZ. I got to hear that. I think Heart's version of Rock and Roll is better the original and Stevie's (although Stevie's is great) but then again I dont think the original is all THAT good, while Black Dog is just perfection, so I got to hear them do that. And is the Battle of Evermore the song where they go "BRING IT BACK" BRING IT BRING IT BRIONG IT BRING IT"

[Hawkeye]

I only like TWO of those; The Ramones and REM. What a sucky list. :cool:

CCR, Allman Brothers Band, and The Greatful Dead are 3 of the greatest bands ever, especially CCR, how can you not like them. And I cant stand The Ramones.

[amber]

I believe Heart "started" in Canada, but Im not sure. Of course Fleetwood Mac IMO shouldn't be on this list either.
Wow! You're in the right forum, then! :lol: :rolleyes:

[Hawkeye]

Wow! You're in the right forum, then! :lol: :rolleyes:

They're my all time favorite band, but they're not American danm it, at least the Fleetwood and the Mac arent :laugh:

[dissention]

And is the Battle of Evermore the song where they go "BRING IT BACK" BRING IT BRING IT BRIONG IT BRING IT"

Yup. Here's the Alive In Seattle version:

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3RKBTQAAWCJ5P3VEGBF5F5EQR9

[ontheEdgeof17]

They're my all time favorite band, but they're not American danm it, at least the Fleetwood and the Mac arent :laugh:


...and I swear Stevie is Swedish. :p

[Hawkeye]

I cant download that, but I went to amazon and heard the 30 second clip, sounds great. I think I have to get that CD for both the Zep covers plus some killer versions of their own songs. Do you guys have Heart performing Battle of Evermore at that special Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert in 95 I think. That just blew me away the firs time I saw it, I never knew how could Nancy's voice was as well.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Top 20 greatest American rock bands of all time, according to the readers of USA Today:

01. Pearl Jam


That's what's up. :thumbsup:

[xdreamsunwindx]

especially CCR, how can you not like them.

Maybe cuz all their songs sound exactly the same? :P

Anyways, I can't believe Fleetwood Mac are on this list. They're not an American band. I mean, jeeze. If they have FM on this list, then where's The Velvet Underground? They're not all American, but they formed in the USA. And the Ramones? Sheebus. There are many better punk bands they could have included.

I'm glad Pearl Jam is number one. Really, I'm just glad to see them above Nirvana. And REM are one of the greatest bands ever, glad to see them on there. They coulda included Sonic Youth, though. -_-

[dissention]

And the Ramones? Sheebus. There are many better punk bands they could have included.

Television, for one, but I love The Ramones, so I'm glad they made it.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Television, for one, but I love The Ramones, so I'm glad they made it.

I don't hate the Ramones, but I don't love them. I mean, what about Blondie? The Patti Smith Group? The Avengers? But then again, I'm like, the only Avengers fan I know of, so...

[dissention]

I don't hate the Ramones, but I don't love them. I mean, what about Blondie? The Patti Smith Group? The Avengers? But then again, I'm like, the only Avengers fan I know of, so...

I'm used to Blondie and Patti Smith getting no respect, so their ommissions didn't come as any surprise. And you're not the only Avengers fan, I love Penelope Houston and think she was amazing. :nod: You never see Television getting any kudos for anything and it chaps my ass. They were brilliant. Their reunion in '92 blew, but that didn't erase the fabulous stuff they recorded back in the day.

[xdreamsunwindx]

I'm used to Blondie and Patti Smith getting no respect, so their ommissions didn't come as any surprise. And you're not the only Avengers fan, I love Penelope Houston and think she was amazing. :nod: You never see Television getting any kudos for anything and it chaps my ass. They were brilliant. Their reunion in '92 blew, but that didn't erase the fabulous stuff they recorded back in the day.

YAY! Someone else knows who the Avengers arrrrrre. ^_^

I do like Television, too. I need to hear more of their stuff, though. Any album reccomendations, Diss?

Dude, I just remembered another great American punk band that rarely gets any recognition: X. Everyone forgets them. -_-

[golddustwoman77]

I have FINALLY learned to not take these list too seriously and not allow them to offend me. It is just an opinion and not necessarily fact (which is why it is opinion, fact isn't involved.). :laugh:

Also, several people have stated that CCR isn't on the list, but they are #15.

Anyway, there are bands that I think should appear on this list but aren't there: Jefferson Airplane, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers,the Byrds, Velvet Underground, and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. A good list isn't complete without these bands, IMO.

I would put the Pretenders on there, if Fleetwood Mac can be on there. They may have formed in England, but they have seen most of their success here in the states. I think that Fleetwood Mac is on there, because, unfortunately, most people are only familiar with stuff from 1975-present. They probably don't know that the band was formed in England and was successful there as a blues band.

Also, I think the reason that people like Elvis, Jimi Hendrix (Jimi Hendrix Experience), Janis Joplin(Big Brother and the Holding Company), and Prince (Prince and the Revolution/NPG) aren't on the list is because people think of them as individual performers not as a member of a band. Therefore, they aren't on the Greatest American Bands list.

Also, can I just say that I wouldn't have the Dave Matthews Band anywhere near my list! I just don't get the greatness. I have tried to get it, and I still don't. JMO, though. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

These lists are supposed to be entertaining but they're just silly. :shrug:

[amber]

Television, for one, but I love The Ramones, so I'm glad they made it.
I got into this massive argument this weekend with someone about the ramones *omigod, Call Me just came on the radio, have to go, whyisn'tBlondieonthelist?*

[dissention]

YAY! Someone else knows who the Avengers arrrrrre. ^_^

Do you have the live album The American In Me? It's worth owning for White Nigger and Corpus Christi alone. :nod: They were good and you're right, not many people know about them at all.

I do like Television, too. I need to hear more of their stuff, though. Any album reccomendations, Diss?

My favorite is Marquee Moon and I think that would be a good album to start with. The lead guitar is startling and very up front in the mix, you'll dig it. Friction is the best track, imo, it'll have your jaw on the floor.

They have a live album called Blow Up that's amazing, too. It has a 14 minute version of Little Johnny Jewel that must be heard to be believed. :nod:

Dude, I just remembered another great American punk band that rarely gets any recognition: X. Everyone forgets them. -_-

I KNOW! Didn't they just reissue all their albums a few years ago, too? I picked up the reissue of Los Angeles a few months ago for the bonus tracks and I love the rehearsal track Cyrano De Berger's Back. That's a great one. DJ Bonebrake was a great drummer.

[dissention]

I got into this massive argument this weekend with someone about the ramones *omigod, Call Me just came on the radio, have to go, whyisn'tBlondieonthelist?*

Really? Why? :laugh:

[amber]

Really? Why? :laugh:
Why isn't they (haha) on the list, or why did I have to go?
I had to go, because I am required to sing the **** out of that ****. They aren't on the list because people are stupid, or, because they don't fit into that usual genre. WHich is probably good. :woohoo: Oh, or why did I get into the argument.
Well....I've always liked punk ok, but not really. It was a semantics argument on *their side* why the ramones are great.... and me...
asking why they are really different than other punk, aside from their importance in the history of punk. :D I didn't make any conclusions, but I just really wanted to know, exactly how they are super different, really.

[xdreamsunwindx]

I would put the Pretenders on there, if Fleetwood Mac can be on there. They may have formed in England, but they have seen most of their success here in the states.

See, I wouldn't. This is shocking coming from me, because anyone who knows me knows I LOVE The Pretenders. I don't think of them as an American band. Sure, Chrissie Hynde is American, but everyone else who has been in the band have been English. Most of their success, really, has been in the UK. The breakout singles from their debut, except "Brass in Pocket," didn't do too well in the USA. On their second album, I think "Message of Love" did moderately well in the US, but then again, that album didn't really do well anywhere. Learning to Crawl was really their peak when it came to success, because that came out in 1983, and the singles got some MTV airplay. They've always been popular, but that was arguably their peak.

Aaanywho. Most of their singles and albums, etc, did really well in the UK, Australia, etc, so I don't consider them an American band.

[/Pretenders nerd]

[dissention]

Why isn't they (haha) on the list, or why did I have to go?
I had to go, because I am required to sing the **** out of that ****. They aren't on the list because people are stupid, or, because they don't fit into that usual genre. WHich is probably good. :woohoo:

No, why did you get into an argument about The Ramones? I know Blondie isn't on the list because people are stupid, that's common knowledge. Look at the way people in this country vote. I think it's been established that America is the country with the worst taste. :laugh:

[amber]

No, why did you get into an argument about The Ramones? I know Blondie isn't on the list because people are stupid, that's common knowledge. Look at the way people in this country vote. I think it's been established that America is the country with the worst taste. :laugh:
read edit to previous post. This cat was older than me, too, he was a punk kid...

[ryan8472]

Um, hello.....Where's Talking Heads? :rolleyes: :mad:

[chiliD]

especially CCR, how can you not like them.

Maybe cuz all their songs sound exactly the same? :

Ooooooh, and the Ramones' don't? :shrug: :lol:

[dissention]

Um, hello.....Where's Talking Heads? :rolleyes: :mad:

No ****. I can't believe they aren't on there, either. Fleetwood Mac is not an American band, why are they on there?

[SuzeQuze]

No ****. I can't believe they aren't on there, either. Fleetwood Mac is not an American band, why are they on there?

Um, why are you on here? Shouldn't you be rooting for them? They are 2/5 American dammit!

[chiliD]

Um, why are you on here? Shouldn't you be rooting for them? They are 2/5 American dammit!

Taking all 16 members of Fleetwood Mac into consideration...they're 63% British, 37% American

[dissention]

Um, why are you on here? Shouldn't you be rooting for them? They are 2/5 American dammit!

Doesn't make them an American band. They're British. :nod:

[SuzeQuze]

Doesn't make them an American band. They're British. :nod:

Okay fine, if you want to pick nits. Minor detail, a technicality really.

[dissention]

Okay fine, if you want to pick nits. Minor detail, a technicality really.

How so? The band formed in Britain with an all British cast for years. :laugh: They may have been most popular when two Americans joined the band, but it didn't become an American band like Heart, which formed in America with an American line-up.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Ooooooh, and the Ramones' don't? :shrug: :lol:

I never said I liked The Ramones. In fact, I think all their songs sound the same. :cool:

[dissention]

In fact, I think all their songs sound the same. :cool:

They do. :laugh: I still like 'em, though.

[SuzeQuze]

How so? The band formed in Britain with an all British cast for years. :laugh: They may have been most popular when two Americans joined the band, but it didn't become an American band like Heart, which formed in America with an American line-up.

I know Diss. But they played "California rock" they all moved to CA, they were an American band when they picked up Lindsey and Stevie because of their sound. But, because of their roots they are a British band. I think they have dual bandship.

[chiliD]

I know Diss. But they played "California rock" they all moved to CA, they were an American band when they picked up Lindsey and Stevie because of their sound.

And, they weren't "American" when they got Bob Welch (who is a Californian by birth)?

[SuzeQuze]

And, they weren't "American" when they got Bob Welch (who is a Californian by birth)?

They can't have dual bandship? They have to be one or the other? If you think so, then they're British, you're right.

[ryan8472]

No ****. I can't believe they aren't on there, either. Fleetwood Mac is not an American band, why are they on there?
I mean, really! They were one of the most original, popular, and influential American bands to come along in a looooooooong time. Weren't they even called by Rolling Stone 'America's Best Band'? How could they be so easily forgotten? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

I mean, really! They were one of the most original, popular, and influential American bands to come along in a looooooooong time. Weren't they even called by Rolling Stone 'America's Best Band'? How could they be so easily forgotten? :shrug:

Not to mention La Nicks was crowned the "Queen of Rock" and named by VH-1 as the 14th most influential woman in rock behind some rather heavy hitters :shrug:

[ryan8472]

Not to mention La Nicks was crowned the "Queen of Rock" and named by VH-1 as the 14th most influential woman in rock behind some rather heavy hitters :shrug:
No ****. That list sucks, plain & simple.

[dissention]

I mean, really! They were one of the most original, popular, and influential American bands to come along in a looooooooong time. Weren't they even called by Rolling Stone 'America's Best Band'? How could they be so easily forgotten? :shrug:

You mean Talking Heads right?

[ryan8472]

You mean Talking Heads right?
Yes! :] :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Influential, my ass. :laugh:


What is the quote - every guy wanted to be with and every girl wanted to be Stevie Nicks -- and who has influenced, by their own admission, several generations of women musical figures today -- and who inspired an entire look that is still defined by her name as it is used in the vernacular -- what band has sold many many millions more records that 99.9% of all other bands and continues to sell to this day, though to a far lesser extent :shrug:

So, to say that La Nicks and FM were not influential in a few areas is a not exactly true.

The reason I think they are not on that list is they were not American in their founding days.

[dissention]

Not to mention La Nicks was crowned the "Queen of Rock"

By Rolling Stone over 20 years ago. No one but a true fan would dare call her that nowadays.

and named by VH-1 as the 14th most influential woman in rock behind some rather heavy hitters :shrug:

That list was ****. Proof, you ask? Grace Slick, Etta James, and Heart came in behind her. No sale, VH1!

[dissention]

Yes! :] :laugh:

Good, I thought you were calling Fleetwood Mac influential and an American band. :laugh:

Leaving Talking Heads off of that list is criminal. Circulation of USA Today should drop because of it!

[strandinthewind]

By Rolling Stone over 20 years ago. No one but a true fan would dare call her that nowadays . . . .

Well, many reviews since then reiterated that label and that she got it at all suggests relevance, esp. within the context of FM, which is one of the largest selling groups of all time and LB is consistently heralded as a quirky genius :shrug:

BTW - Etta James should NEVER have been in the VH-1 list of Women in Rock as she's no rocker.

[dissention]

What is the quote - every guy wanted to be with and every girl wanted to be Stevie Nicks

So, she influenced erections and bad fashion?

Quoting Tom Hanks will not aid any argument.

-- and who has influenced, by their own admission, several generations of women musical figures today --

As have many others. Her influence is really no greater than a slew of other female artists, and she was influenced herself by the likes of Grace Slick and Janis Joplin.

and who inspired an entire look that is still defined by her name as it is used in the vernacular --

You don't see many out there dressing like Miss Nicks. :laugh: Only at bad runway shows.

what band has sold many many millions more records that 99.9% of all other bands and continues to sell to this day, though to a far lesser extent :shrug:

That doesn't make them influential. They created great light rock music, but they didn't have any real influence on music.

So, to say that La Nicks and FM were not influential in a few areas is a not exactly true.

In your opinion. La Nicks influenced female musicians simply because she was one, but other than that, they had no real influence on music, imo.

The reason I think they are not on that list is they were not American in their founding days.

They are on that list and that's the precise reason why they shouldn't be.

[dissention]

BTW - Etta James should NEVER have been in the VH-1 list of Women in Rock as she's no rocker.

Then you just crossed out 80% of the women on the list. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

Well, Crowe said it too and others have alluded to that quote as well :shrug:

Also, though you may think she had no real influence or merely influenced younger girls just by being a girl, many quotes from those younger girls directly refute that a la C. Love talking about her writing and how she changes keys in songs - so it was more than the fact that she has tits :wavey:

[xdreamsunwindx]

BTW - Etta James should NEVER have been in the VH-1 list of Women in Rock as she's no rocker.

Etta James is ****ing awesome. I love her.

And, a lot of the women on that list aren't necissarily rock singers, but they're deffinitely rock & roll. I mean, Ronnie Spector, for instance, is a ****ing badass - totally rock & roll. Was she even on that list, though? I can't remember as I haven't seen that thing in forever.

[strandinthewind]

Then you just crossed out 80% of the women on the list. :wavey:

Yep, and that would put Stevie in the top five if I remember correctly and if a pop/rock def. is used. If a strictly rock def. is used, she would, I think be higher than that.

[dissention]

Well, Crowe said it too and others have alluded to that quote as well :shrug:

Also, though you may think she had no real influence or merely influenced younger girls just by being a girl, many quotes from those younger girls directly refute that a la C. Love talking about her writing and how she changes keys in songs - so it was more than the fact that she has tits :wavey:

:laugh:

I can't believe you're quoting the "way she changes keys is very sophisticated" line from Courtney Love. :laugh: Her fandom was speaking in that interview, not her brain.

[strandinthewind]

Etta James is ****ing awesome. I love her.

And, a lot of the women on that list aren't necissarily rock singers, but they're deffinitely rock & roll. I mean, Ronnie Spector, for instance, is a ****ing badass - totally rock & roll. Was she even on that list, though? I can't remember as I haven't seen that thing in forever.


I love her too - but to say she is rock and roll in any way shape or form was wrong and I mean that as no slam to her. Also, rememeber in the beginning, there was really just rock and roll - pop and rock sep. in the late 60's IMO.

[dissention]

Yep, and that would put Stevie in the top five if I remember correctly and if a pop/rock def. is used. If a strictly rock def. is used, she would, I think be higher than that.

Top five? Nope, that would be (in no particular order)....

1. Janis Joplin
2. Heart
3. Grace Slick
4. Chrissie Hynde
5. Tina Turner

But it's subjective, of course.

[strandinthewind]

:laugh:

I can't believe you're quoting the "way she changes keys is very sophisticated" line from Courtney Love. :laugh: Her fandom was speaking in that interview, not her brain.


I can't believe you are arguing with a straight face that La Nicks influenced women solely because she is/was a woman :laugh:

Sheryl Crowe credits her for writing beautiful things like landslide but I suppose you discredit that too.

[dissention]

I love her too - but to say she is rock and roll in any way shape or form was wrong and I mean that as no slam to her.

Same as Gladys Knight, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Carole King, Madonna, Billie Holiday, The Supremes, Chaka Khan, Ella Fitzgerald, and Aretha Franklin, but they all made the top twenty. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Top five? Nope, that would be (in no particular order)....

1. Janis Joplin
2. Heart
3. Grace Slick
4. Chrissie Hynde
5. Tina Turner

But it's subjective, of course.


I mean according to their - not your list.

Here is their list:

1. Aretha Franklin
2. Tina Turner
3. Janis Joplin
4. Bonnie Raitt
5. Joni Mitchell
6. Billie Holiday
7. Chrissie Hynde
8. Madonna
9. Annie Lennox
10.Carole King
11.Patsy Cline
12.Debbie Harry
13.Ella Fitzgerald
14.Stevie Nicks
15.Patti Smith
16.The Supremes
17.Chaka Khan
18.Gladys Knight
19.Etta James
20.Grace Slick
21.Linda Ronstadt
22.Emmylou Harris

[dissention]

I can't believe you are arguing with a straight face that La Nicks influenced women solely because she is/was a woman :laugh:

Sheryl Crowe credits her for writing beautiful things like landslide but I suppose you discredit that too.

Jeezum cripes, it's CROW. :lol:

[dissention]

I mean according to their - not your list.

Here is their list:

1. Aretha Franklin
2. Tina Turner
3. Janis Joplin
4. Bonnie Raitt
5. Joni Mitchell
6. Billie Holiday
7. Chrissie Hynde
8. Madonna
9. Annie Lennox
10.Carole King
11.Patsy Cline
12.Debbie Harry
13.Ella Fitzgerald
14.Stevie Nicks
15.Patti Smith
16.The Supremes
17.Chaka Khan
18.Gladys Knight
19.Etta James
20.Grace Slick
21.Linda Ronstadt
22.Emmylou Harris

Then it would be...

1.Tina Turner
2. Janis Joplin
3. Bonnie Raitt
4. Chrissie Hynde
5. Debbie Harry

Ouch, she just missed the top five. :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

Same as Gladys Knight, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Carole King, Madonna, Billie Holiday, The Supremes, Chaka Khan, Ella Fitzgerald, and Aretha Franklin, but they all made the top twenty. :laugh:


I agree with respect to Billie Holiday, Patsy Cline, and Ella Fitzgerald because there were not ever rock and roll. As for the others, either by virtue of the time they were most popular or by virtue of some of their songs bordering on or being rock and roll - they were a better fit. A good example is Madonna - I get that she is pop and that no longer really is rock per se, some of her songs exhibit rock and roll characteristics - does that qualify her, well that is a little more subjective.

[strandinthewind]

Then it would be...

1.Tina Turner
2. Janis Joplin
3. Bonnie Raitt
4. Chrissie Hynde
5. Debbie Harry

Ouch, she just missed the top five. :xoxo:

I am not sure I would put Bonne Raitt as a rocker - though I love her, she is more strictly blues and she will gladly admit to that as that is what she classifies herself as.

[dissention]

I agree with respect to Billie Holiday, Patsy Cline, and Ella Fitzgerald because there were not ever rock and roll. As for the others, either by virtue of the time they were most popular or by virtue of some of their songs bordering on or being rock and roll - they were a better fit. A good example is Madonna - I get that she is pop and that no longer really is rock per se, some of her songs exhibit rock and roll characteristics - does that qualify her, well that is a little more subjective.

The main flaw is the title of the countdown. It should have been The 100 Greatest Female Artists, plain and simple.

[strandinthewind]

Jeezum cripes, it's CROW. :lol:


Buddah, Allah, Christ, and Shiva all said La Nicks . . . . :wavey: :wavey: :rolleyes:

[dissention]

I am not sure I would put Bonne Raitt as a rocker - though I love her, she is more strictly blues and she will gladly admit to that as that is what she classifies herself as.

Anything to get Nicks in that top five. :]

I'd classify her as blues rock, myself, and consider her to be a female rocker. To each his own, I suppose.

[strandinthewind]

The main flaw is the title of the countdown. It should have been The 100 Greatest Female Artists, plain and simple.

ITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't it nice when we agree dear :D

BTW - is Yoko Ono an artist :eek:

[strandinthewind]

Anything to get Nicks in that top five. :]

I'd classify her as blues rock, myself, and consider her to be a female rocker. To each his own, I suppose.


Interestingly, did Tina Turner's move to pop in the 80's declassify her? I mean she hardly rock and rolled in some of that, though Be Good to Me ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dissention]

Interestingly, did Tina Turner's move to pop in the 80's declassify her? I mean she hardly rock and rolled in some of that, though Be Good to Me ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't point at her albums and call her rock (maybe her first two comeback albums for the most part, but there was plenty of pop sprinkled in), but she's almost unparalleled in terms of putting on a live rock show.

At that time, there were so many female artists putting on amazing rock shows that it boggles the mind. Tina, Chrissie Hynde, Heart, Stevie, Debbie, even Bette Midler. It's sad that that time has come and gone.

[chiliD]

BTW - Etta James should NEVER have been in the VH-1 list of Women in Rock as she's no rocker.

Have you heard Etta in the last 5-10 years? She's a rocker. (if you're ok with Janis Joplin as a "rocker", then so's Etta)

[dissention]

Have you heard Etta in the last 5-10 years? She's a rocker.

Burnin' Down the House: Live At the House of Blues. Need I say more? She's ****ing amazing and has gotten better with age. I saw her live at a free concert a few years back and she slayed the entire audience.

[strandinthewind]

Have you heard Etta in the last 5-10 years? She's a rocker.


I guess when I think of "rock" I think of ISA, Rhiannon (live) , LZ, Foghat, BOC, etc. But, if you say so - so be it :cool:

[chiliD]

BTW - is Yoko Ono an artist :eek:

Yes, she is.

[strandinthewind]

. . . At that time, there were so many female artists putting on amazing rock shows that it boggles the mind. Tina, Chrissie Hynde, Heart, Stevie, Debbie, even Bette Midler. It's sad that that time has come and gone.

I know - I just laugh and roll my eyes when people DARE to compare today's prefab slags with the greats of yesteryear.

[strandinthewind]

Yes, she is.


BBBBWWWWYYYYYOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII HHHEEEEAAAAHHHHHH IIIIIIIEEEEEEIIIIEEEEIIIIEEEE :laugh:

I just love to pick on Yoko :laugh: Interestingly, she had drinks next to me in Paris a few months ago - well, either it was Yoko or some other shriveled Asian wraith with Jackie O's Lugene's on :laugh:

[dissention]

I know - I just laugh and roll my eyes when people DARE to compare today's prefab slags with the greats of yesteryear.

:nod:

It's rather depressing to think that we'll never have so much talent on such a grand scale ever again. Once they all retire and/or pass on, that's it. The best we've gotten in the past 15 years is Sheryl Crow and Shirley Manson, but one is already well into her forties and the other is about to turn forty. It's sad, but when the "prefab" **** sells, that's it.

[Hawkeye]

I belive Stevie was #1 in the online poll that went along with that countdown.

[sparky]

Well, Crowe said it too and others have alluded to that quote as well :shrug:

Also, though you may think she had no real influence or merely influenced younger girls just by being a girl, many quotes from those younger girls directly refute that a la C. Love talking about her writing and how she changes keys in songs - so it was more than the fact that she has tits :wavey:

What Stevie Nicks song has a key change in the middle of it ?

I missed that.

David, Tower ?

[strandinthewind]

What Stevie Nicks song has a key change in the middle of it ?

I missed that.

David, Tower ?

Well, the chorus of Rhiannon does :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

BTW - Etta James should NEVER have been in the VH-1 list of Women in Rock as she's no rocker.

She has just as much right as Aretha Franklin. A lot of Etta's early stuff is rockin'.

[gldstwmn]

I agree with respect to Billie Holiday, Patsy Cline, and Ella Fitzgerald because there were not ever rock and roll.

Etta had rock and roll hits before you were even born. Roll With Me Henry was her first and it was released in 1955. Christine McVie later covered it.

What the hell:

Etta James and The Peaches

Modern 947 - The Wallflower (Roll With Me Henry) / Hold Me, Squeeze Me - 1955 (male voice is Richard Berry)
Modern 947 - The Wallflower (Dance With Me Henry)* / Hold Me, Squeeze Me - 1955 (male voice is Richard Berry) *a pop hit in 1955 for Georgia Gibbs on MERCURY 70572.

Etta James (born Jamesetta Hawkins on 25-January-1938 in Los Angeles, California) Frequent bouts with Heroin addiction

Modern 957 - Hey Henry / Be Mine - 1955
Modern 962 - Good Rockin' Daddy / Crazy Feeling - 1955 (With The Dreamers (Vocal Group), Including Jesse Belvin)
Modern 972 - W-O-M-A-N / That's All - 1955
Modern 984 - Number One / I'm A Fool - 1956

Etta "Miss Peaches" James

Modern 988 - Shortnin' Bread Rock / Tears Of Joy - 1956

Etta James

Modern 998 - Tough Lover / What Fools We Mortals Be - 1956 (With Lee Allen On Saxophone) Modern 1007 - Good Loookin' / Then I'll Care - 1956
Modern 1016 - The Pick-Up / Market Place - 1957
Modern 1022 - Come What May / By The Light Of The Silvery Moon - 1957
Kent 304 - Sunshine Of Love / Baby Baby Every Night - 1958

Betty & Dupree (Etta James and

Kent 318 - I Hope You're Satisfied / If It Ain't One Thing - 1959

Etta James

Kent 345 - Dance With Me Henry / Hey Henry - 1960
Kent 352 - How Big A Fool / Good Rockin' Daddy - 1960
Kent 370 - Do Something Crazy / Good Rockin' Daddy - 1960

Etta and Harvey (Etta James and Harvey Fuqua)

Chess 1760 - If I Can't Have You / My Heart Cries - 1960
Chess 1771 - Spoonful / It's A Crying Shame - 1960

Etta James

Argo 5359 - All I Could Do Was Cry / Girl Of My Dreams (Boy Of My Dreams) - 1960
Argo 5368 - My Dearest Darling / Tough Mary - 1960
Argo 5380 - At Last* / I Just Want To Make Love To You - 1961 *Popularized In 1942 By Glenn Miller.
Argo 5385 - Trust In Me / Anything To Say You're Mine - 1961
Argo 5390 - Fool That I Am / Dream - 1961
Argo 5393 - Don't Cry Baby / A Sunday Kind Of Love - 1961
Argo 5402 - Seven Day Fool / It's Too Soon To Know - 1961
Argo 5409 - Something's Got A Hold On Me / Waiting For Charlie To Come Home - 1962
Argo 5418 - Stop The Wedding / Street Of Tears - 1962
Argo 5424 - Fools Rush In / Next Door To The Blues - 1962
Argo 5430 - Would It Make Any Difference To You / How Do You Speak To An Angel - 1962
Argo 5437 - Pushover / I Can't Hold It Anymore - 1963
Argo 5445 - Pay Back / Be Honest With Me - 1963
Argo 5452 - Two Sides (To Every Story) / I Worry 'Bout You - 1963
Argo 5459 - Baby What You Want Me To Do / What I Say - 1964
Argo 5465 - Loving You More Each Day / Look Who's Blue - 1964
Argo 5477 - Breaking Point / That Man Belongs Back Here With Me - 1964
Argo 5485 - Bobby Is His Name / Mellow Fellow - 1964

Etta James & Sugar Pie DeSanto

Argo 5519 - Do I Make Myself Clear / Somewhere Down The Line - 1965
Cadet 5519 - Do I Make Myself Clear / Somewhere Down The Line - 1965

Etta James

Cadet 5526 - Only Time Will Tell / I'm Sorry For You - 1966

Etta James & Sugar Pie DeSanto

Cadet 5539 - In The Basement (Part 1) / In The Basement (Part 2) - 1966

Etta James

Cadet 5552 - I Prefer You / I'm So Glad (I Found Love In You) - 1967
Cadet 5564 - Don't Pick Me For Your Fool / It Must Be Your Love - 1967
Cadet 5568 - 842-3089 (Call My Name) / Happiness - 1967
Cadet 5578 - Tell Mama / I'd Rather Go Blind - 1967
Cadet 5594 - Security / I'm Gonna Take What He's Got - 1968
Cadet 5606 - I Got You Babe / I Worship The Ground You Walk On - 1968
Cadet 5620 - You Got It / Fire - 1968
Philco-Ford Hp 31 - Tell Mama / Security - 1968 (4" Plastic "Hip Pocket Record")
Cadet 5630 - Almost Persuaded / Steal Away - 1969
Cadet 5655 - Miss Pitiful / Bobby Is His Name - 1969
Cadet 5664 - Tighten Up Your Own Thing / What Fools We Mortals Be - 1969
Cadet 5671 - Sound Of Love / When I Stop Dreaming - 1970
Cadet 5676 - Losers Weepers (Part 1) / Losers Weepers (Part 2) - 1970
Chess 2100 - Nothing From Nothing Leaves Nothing / Love Of My Man - 1970
Chess 2112 - Take Out Some Insurance / I Think It's You - 1971
Chess 2125 - I Found A Love / Nothing From Nothing Leaves Nothing - 1972
Chess 2144 - All The Way Down / Lay Back Daddy - 1973
Chess 2148 - Leave Your Hat On / Only A Fool - 1974
Chess 2153 - Out On The Street Again / Feeling Uneasy - 1974
Chess 2171 - Take Out Some Insurance / Lovin' Arms - 1975
Chess 30001 - Jump Into Love / I've Been A Fool - 1976
Oldies 45 84 - Dance With Me Henry / I'm A Fool - ?

Billy Preston / Etta James

Oldies 45 309 - Billy's Bag / Good Rockin' Daddy* - ? *Flip By Etta James.

Etta James

Warner Brothers 8545 - Piece Of My Heart / Lovesick Blues - 1978
Warner Brothers 8611 - Sugar On The Floor / Lovesick Blues - 1978

Tony Orlando / Tony Orlando & Etta James

Elektra 45501 - Don't Let Go / Bring It On Home To Me* - 1978 *Flip By Tony Orlando And Etta James.

Etta James

T-Electric 41264 - Mean Mother / It Takes Love To Keep A Woman - 1980
Epic 68593 - Baby What You Want Me To Do / Max's Theme - 1989

Etta James & David A. Stewart

Capitol B44333 - Avenue D / My Head Is A City - 1989

Etta was also inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 1993.
http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=128




Jerry Wexler, Atlantic Records' legendary producer, describes Etta James as "the greatest of all modern blues singers...the undisputed Earth Mother." Her raw, unharnessed vocals and hot-blooded eroticism has made disciples of singers ranging from Janis Joplin to Bonnie Raitt. James' pioneering 1950s hits - "The Wallflower" and "Good Rockin' Daddy" - assure her place in the early history of rock and roll alongside Little Richard, Chuck Berry and Ray Charles. In the Sixties, as a soulful singer of pop and blues diva compared with the likes of Dinah Washington and Billie Holiday, James truly found her musical direction and made a lasting mark.
James was born Jamesette Hawkins in Los Angeles in 1938. Though brought up in the church, she was drawn to rhythm & blues and rock and roll, and by her midteens had formed a vocal trio that worked up an answer song to Hank Ballard's "Work With Me Annie" entitled "Roll With Me Henry." The trio caught the attention of bandleader Johnny Otis, who recorded "Roll With Me Henry," which was retitled "The Wallflower" and topped the R&B chart for four weeks in 1955. James toured the R&B circuit with Otis and other artists and recorded for Modern Records until 1958.

It was at the Chicago-based Chess label (where she recorded for Chess and its Argo and Cadet subsidiaries) that she molded her identity as a singer of both modern blues and pop-R&B ballads. She was signed by Leonard Chess in 1960 and had her talent nurtured by producer Ralph Bass and mentor Harvey Fuqua (of the Moonglows). James crossed over to the pop market as an interpreter of soulful, jazz-tinged ballads such as "All I Could Do Was Cry," "My Dearest Darling," "Trust in Me" and "Don't Cry, Baby," which she sang without sacrificing her bluesy and churchy vocal mannerisms. In 1968, she adapted a grittier Southern-soul edge, cutting "Tell Mama" and "I'd Rather Go Blind," which remain among the most incendiary vocal performances of the era. All totaled, James launched thirty singles onto the R&B singles chart and placed a respectable nine of them in the pop Top Forty as well.

For much of her career James battled heroin addiction, which has added to her aura as a survivor. A cleaned-up James made a successful comeback in the Seventies, re-signing with Chess in 1973 and opening for the Rolling Stones in 1978. In 1984, she sang "When the Saints Go Marching In" at the opening of the Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. James has subsequently remained active on the touring and recording fronts, cutting the Grammy-nominated albums Seven Year Itch and Stickin' to My Guns and reuniting with Jerry Wexler to record 1993's The Right Time with the simpatico Southern-soul musicians at Muscle Shoals Recording Studios.

January 25, 1938
Etta James was born.

1955
Etta James hits #1 on the R&B chart with "The Wallflower" and #6 on the R&B chart with "Good Rockin Daddy". Both singles are released on the Modern label.

1960
Etta James makes her Chess Records debut.

June 13, 1960
Etta James hits #2 on the R&B chart and #33 on the pop chart with the Modern single "All I Could Do Was Cry."

December 5, 1960
Etta James hits #34 with the Modern single "My Dearest Darling."

December 12, 1960
Etta James hits #36 with "Don't Go To Strangers."

April 17, 1961
Etta James hits #30 with "Trust In Me".

1961
Etta James hits #2 on the R&B chart with "At Last", #4 on the R&B chart and #30 (4/17) on the pop chart with "Trust In Me" and #6 on the R&B chart and #39 (9/04) on the pop chart with "Don't Cry, Baby".

September 4, 1961
Etta James hits #39 with "Don't Cry Baby".

April 14, 1962
Etta James hits #4 on the R&B chart and #39 on the pop chart with "Something's Got A Hold On Me".

September 15, 1962
Etta James hits #34 with "Stop the Wedding".

September 1, 1974
Lloyd Price stages a music festival in Zaire, Africa, with boxing promoter Don King. The event attracts 120,000 people and offers James Brown, B.B. King, Etta James, Bill Withers, the Spinners and others.

January 12, 1993
Etta James is inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

January 19, 1994
Johnny Otis is inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at the ninth annual induction dinner. Etta James is his presenter.

[strandinthewind]

MY GOD - I GIVE WOMAN - I GIVE :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

The main flaw is the title of the countdown. It should have been The 100 Greatest Female Artists, plain and simple.

There ya go.

[dissention]

Etta had rock and roll hits before you were even born. Roll With Me Henry was her first and it was released in 1955. Christine McVie later covered it.

What the hell:

....


I LOVE YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. :lol:

Seriously, Etta should have been in the top five. The position they gave her was insane.

[gldstwmn]

I LOVE YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. :lol:

Seriously, Etta should have been in the top five. The position they gave her was insane.

Last time I saw her I was in the front row. She looks good. She's a kick.

[sparky]

Well, the chorus of Rhiannon does :shrug:

Huh ? The chords diverge from A minor, F, and C ? Me no understand. Is there a sharp or a flat in that chorus or something ?

[chiliD]

What Stevie Nicks song has a key change in the middle of it ?
Well, the chorus of Rhiannon does
Huh ? The chords diverge from A minor, F, and C ? Me no understand. Is there a sharp or a flat in that chorus or something ?

{sung to the tune of Bill Withers' "Ain't No Sunshine"}

Ain't no key change in that song
Ain't no key change in that song
And it drags on way too long
Ain't no key change in that song

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[Johnny Stew]

Then it would be...

1.Tina Turner
2. Janis Joplin
3. Bonnie Raitt
4. Chrissie Hynde
5. Debbie Harry

Ouch, (Stevie) just missed the top five. :xoxo:How are things on their message boards, dissy? ;) :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

I stand corrected :cool:

[The Tower]

What Stevie Nicks song has a key change in the middle of it ?

I missed that.

David, Tower ?
Courtney Love is an idiot. She doesn't know **** about music.

"Juliet" is one of Stevie's key change songs. However, it should be noted that Stevie probably doesn't "write" a key change. Most of her songs are based on a melodic base line and her chords follow that. "Gold Dust Woman" and "Blue Lamp: are excellent examples.

So, while it may look like she's changing keys, she's really not- she's just playing chords that are out of the key to create that particular sound. It's a great effect, but it's not music theory that's for sure.

Jason already admitted he was incorrect, but for posterity "Rhiannon" is all in one key (Am).

[dissention]

Courtney Love is an idiot. She doesn't know **** about music.

You're the one who doesn't know ****, my friend. The way she changes keys is very sophisticated. Pfft.

:lol:

[sparky]

Courtney Love is an idiot. She doesn't know **** about music.

Excellent.

"Juliet" is one of Stevie's key change songs. However, it should be noted that Stevie probably doesn't "write" a key change. Most of her songs are based on a melodic base line and her chords follow that. "Gold Dust Woman" and "Blue Lamp: are excellent examples.

So, while it may look like she's changing keys, she's really not- she's just playing chords that are out of the key to create that particular sound. It's a great effect, but it's not music theory that's for sure.

Jason already admitted he was incorrect, but for posterity "Rhiannon" is all in one key (Am).

That's it ! I don't know as much about theory as I should at this point, but I knew she tossed a chord or two in there that made no sense. But that does not a key change make. Thanks, Homie.