Ageing rockers and their voices... [Archive]

madformac

07-05-2005, 07:10 AM

After being at the Live 8 gig in London and having watched the shows back on TV I thought about the state of the voices of the more elderly rockers...

David Gilmour and Sting sounded perfect, their voices really have stood up to the ageing process. Paul McCartney had a spell around the turn of the millenium where his voice was dreadful but he has it back now and sounded very good. Bono too, still got it. Roger Daltrey has never had a "classic" voice but even he sounded pretty good so the question has to be asked...

What about Lindsey?

His voice has deteriorated significantly and was noticably bad during the Say You Will tour. So why is it so? It's not like he toured endlessly after he left Fleetwood Mac in 1987. I hope it was just a lack of a vocal coach or something. I would hate to think it was so bad they couldn't tour again without becoming an embarassment. Lindsey's voice was at it's best in my opinion around the time of "Out Of The Cradle" and the subsequent tour so it's a complete mystery what happened between then and now. :shrug:

I was also a little intrigued by the lack of any member of Fleetwood Mac in the Live 8 concerts, Mick especially considering his affections for Africa and it's people......

mylittledemon

07-05-2005, 07:39 AM

What about Lindsey?

His voice has deteriorated significantly and was noticably bad during the Say You Will tour. So why is it so? It's not like he toured endlessly after he left Fleetwood Mac in 1987. I hope it was just a lack of a vocal coach or something. I would hate to think it was so bad they couldn't tour again without becoming an embarassment. Lindsey's voice was at it's best in my opinion around the time of "Out Of The Cradle" and the subsequent tour so it's a complete mystery what happened between then and now. :shrug:

I was also a little intrigued by the lack of any member of Fleetwood Mac in the Live 8 concerts, Mick especially considering his affections for Africa and it's people......

Well I think most of the artists were put together by Geldof and company. Maybe he doesnt like the Mac? Maybe because Stevie is on tour he couldnt get the Mac to commit to something? Who knows.

I agree about Lindsey's voice. He sounded pretty good on the Dance tour but since then he's lost most of his range...evidence of that on the way he sings Go Your Own Way now. Bummer. I liked Lindsey's voice in the early Rumours days, that high nasally sound. I also liked him on the Mirage tour. I think he smoked for many years, so that has a lot to do with the vocal chords getting older.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 07:46 AM

Roger Daltrey has never had a "classic" voice but even he sounded pretty good so the question has to be asked...

Roger Daltrey has an amazing voice in my opinion :shrug: In fact I'd go as far to say it's one of THE rock voices.

madformac

07-05-2005, 08:08 AM

Roger Daltrey has an amazing voice in my opinion :shrug: In fact I'd go as far to say it's one of THE rock voices.

I think we'll agree to differ this time.. :nod: :lol:

ThePenguin

07-05-2005, 09:01 AM

Roger Daltrey has an amazing voice in my opinion :shrug: In fact I'd go as far to say it's one of THE rock voices.

To me, it often sounds like he's just a tad off key. I just watched him at the original Live Aid the other night on Channel 13 and had that same thought. :rolleyes: he looked good though, nice abs.

-Lis

eclipse

07-05-2005, 10:04 AM

Roger Dalty is ...Roger Daltry
But I find the voice of the WHO is more Pete Townsend, I loved and still love him, and he still sounds good too.
Never really been a fan of Mr. Jimmy Page, but he can still sing, as can Bono and John Mellancamp, Steven Tyler, I mean these guys have been singing for 30 years...and they still sound fresh

I can do without:
Sir. Paul, sounds like he is speaking the words-not singing
(unfortunately,) Unlike Lindsey...who seems to be screaming the words not singing :distress: )
Rod Stewart-----Please...the tourch song CD was never a good idea..
And my used to be, most favorite-Eric Clapton :distress: :distress:
This guy just has no business doing soupy love ballads, pop tunes.
I liked him better when he was drinking and partying' and playing great Rock and Roll Blues- Am I crazy, or does anyone else think he's just ...."boring"......now. Sad, sad, sad.
I miss the days of "Further on up the Road" live...and "Living on Tulsa Time"

Just my thoughts
~~eclipse~~

Miss Vicky

07-05-2005, 10:09 AM

What about Lindsey?

His voice has deteriorated significantly and was noticably bad during the Say You Will tour. So why is it so? It's not like he toured endlessly after he left Fleetwood Mac in 1987. I hope it was just a lack of a vocal coach or something. I would hate to think it was so bad they couldn't tour again without becoming an embarassment. Lindsey's voice was at it's best in my opinion around the time of "Out Of The Cradle" and the subsequent tour so it's a complete mystery what happened between then and now. :shrug:

I vehemently disagree with this statement. While it can't be denied that he has lost some of his range, I still think Lindsey sounds better than ever. The vocals in a lot of his recordings, both studio and live, from early in his career sound entirely too high pitched and almost feminine. The loss of range has meant a deepening of his voice, thus giving him a much more masculine, and in my opinion better, sound than ever before.

Now the change in Stevie's voice, on the other hand....

Is the main reason why I've lost interest in her.

chiliD

07-05-2005, 10:21 AM

And my used to be, most favorite-Eric Clapton :distress: :distress:
This guy just has no business doing soupy love ballads, pop tunes.
I liked him better when he was drinking and partying' and playing great Rock and Roll Blues- Am I crazy, or does anyone else think he's just ...."boring"......now. Sad, sad, sad.
I miss the days of "Further on up the Road" live...and "Living on Tulsa Time"

Eric can do no wrong...EVER!

Miss Vicky

07-05-2005, 10:23 AM

Eric can do no wrong...EVER!

Agreed. Anyone who thinks he's "boring" is definitely crazy.

eclipse

07-05-2005, 10:32 AM

""Come on you guys""... she pleads, for understanding.

You can't compare Eric Clapton working with a dude named "Baby Face",
to Eric Clapton and Cream or Dwayne Allman, or Phil Collins....
It is just SO not the same

You really like the music he is recording and doing live today?
Sorry if I sounded insulting saying boring, but it just doesn't have the same zip for me :distress:

I miss my Eric :mad:

dreams of days gone by,
....eclipse

GardenStateGirlie

07-05-2005, 10:36 AM

I saw Blue Oyster Cult last night. They still sounded exactly the same and rocked out big time. Their set was pretty good.

Agreeing with Chili D...Clapton is still one of the greatest guitarists and musicians ever--hands down. I will always love his music.

Miss Vicky

07-05-2005, 10:39 AM

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:01 AM

I think we'll agree to differ this time.. :nod: :lol:

His voice is amazing on Tommy and Quadrophenia :nod:

Much better than those Oasis lads ;)

dissention

07-05-2005, 11:03 AM

Roger Daltrey has an amazing voice in my opinion :shrug: In fact I'd go as far to say it's one of THE rock voices.

Me, too. I love his voice.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:04 AM

Roger Daltrey has an amazing voice in my opinion :shrug: In fact I'd go as far to say it's one of THE rock voices.

I agree. But for a while there his voice was in dreadful shape. He dodged every high note he could. He must be doing vocal exercises, which is what they all should have been doing from the very begining but I'm sure at the time it was considered very un-rock and roll.
Lindsey smoked so that is probably what hurt him. I don't think he feels it important to do any vocal exercises.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:05 AM

dissention

07-05-2005, 11:07 AM

I vehemently disagree with this statement. While it can't be denied that he has lost some of his range, I still think Lindsey sounds better than ever. The vocals in a lot of his recordings, both studio and live, from early in his career sound entirely too high pitched and almost feminine. The loss of range has meant a deepening of his voice, thus giving him a much more masculine, and in my opinion better, sound than ever before.

Now the change in Stevie's voice, on the other hand....

Is the main reason why I've lost interest in her.

I agree with this, too. I prefer his newer voice to his older one, and I think he's gotten a better sense of how to use it. It wouldn't hurt him to get a voice coach for the tours, but I still love his voice. On the other hand, Stevie got a voice coach and look what happened to her. Maybe he should stay away from one.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:08 AM

To me, it often sounds like he's just a tad off key. I just watched him at the original Live Aid the other night on Channel 13 and had that same thought. :rolleyes: he looked good though, nice abs.

-Lis

Ah, but I don't think that matters so much in a rock group. It's the passion and feeling that's the key. I'm sure Celine always sounds perfect but you can keep her. :)
I also think Lou Reed is one of the great rock voices and his style is just to speak-sing. Sounds damn good too.

Some of the greatest singers who can't sing: David Bowie, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed... there are probably quite a few more.

I'd have any of those any day over technically perfect but passionless singers.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:13 AM

Me, too. I love his voice.

I agree. But for a while there his voice was in dreadful shape. He dodged every high note he could. He must be doing vocal exercises, which is what they all should have been doing from the very begining but I'm sure at the time it was considered very un-rock and roll.

Whew, I'm not alone!

When was Daltrey's voice in bad shape? Was it in the 1980s?

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:14 AM

I can do without:
Sir. Paul, sounds like he is speaking the words-not singing
The man is 62 years old. We're lucky to have him at all.

Rod Stewart-----Please...the tourch song CD was never a good idea.
The man had thyroid cancer. He can't belt it out the way he used to. It's a miracle he can still sing. If I remember correctly, his standards CD sold pretty well.
.
And my used to be, most favorite-Eric Clapton :distress: :distress:
This guy just has no business doing soupy love ballads, pop tunes.
I liked him better when he was drinking and partying' and playing great Rock and Roll Blues- Am I crazy, or does anyone else think he's just ...."boring"......now. Sad, sad, sad.
I miss the days of "Further on up the Road" live...and "Living on Tulsa Time"

Clapton is still as solid a performer as he ever was, in fact he's more precise now that he's off the drugs and sober. I wouldn't call his show boring by any stretch of the imagination. His last hit ballad was a song about his son falling out of a window and dying.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:16 AM

""Come on you guys""... she pleads, for understanding.

You can't compare Eric Clapton working with Dwayne Allman,

It'd be pretty hard for him to work with a dead guy again, don't you think?

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:18 AM

The man had thyroid cancer. He can't belt it out the way he used to. It's a miracle he can still sing. If I remember correctly, his standards CD sold pretty well.

He actually recorded three of those American Songbook albums. They apparently were hugely successful. They're not my kind of thing, but my mother has all three.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:21 AM

Never really been a fan of Mr. Jimmy Page, but he can still sing, as can Bono and John Mellancamp, Steven Tyler, I mean these guys have been singing for 30 years...and they still sound fresh

Jimmy Page is the guitarist. It's Robert Plant who sings.
I don't think I've ever even heard Jimmy sing in fact...

dissention

07-05-2005, 11:21 AM

He actually recorded three of those American Songbook albums. They apparently were hugely successful. They're not my kind of thing, but my mother has all three.

They're insufferable. Now every veteran artist is doing them, Carly Simon being the newest recruit. Have mercy.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:21 AM

Whew, I'm not alone!

When was Daltrey's voice in bad shape? Was it in the 1980s?

Well, I saw them live in the late 90's, so that's one time I can think of and if you have the Live Aid DVD, again, not a great performance, IMO and the 9/11 benefit show, he does the same thing. I was amazed at how good he sounded the other day.
I also saw them in the late 80's and I'd say his voice was okay but Townsend was playing acoustic guitar because of his hearing problem so that was a bit of a disappointment. I think Roger and Entwistle basically carried that show.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:23 AM

I agree with this, too. I prefer his newer voice to his older one, and I think he's gotten a better sense of how to use it. It wouldn't hurt him to get a voice coach for the tours, but I still love his voice. On the other hand, Stevie got a voice coach and look what happened to her. Maybe he should stay away from one.

Yeah but you have to admit she sounds better these days then she did during the late 80s, early 90s. She sounded fantastic on The Dance and Enchanted tours.

As for Lindsey, I think he sounds great these days personally.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:25 AM

Jimmy Page is the guitarist. It's Robert Plant who sings.
I don't think I've ever even heard Jimmy sing in fact...

Nope. Even when he went solo, he had David Coverdale or the Black Crowes singing. I can't think of one song I've ever heard him sing.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:27 AM

They're insufferable. Now every veteran artist is doing them, Carly Simon being the newest recruit. Have mercy.

It's not my thing but apparently a lot of people are buying them. :shrug:

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:28 AM

Well, I saw them live in the late 90's, so that's one time I can think of and if you have the Live Aid DVD, again, not a great performance, IMO and the 9/11 benefit show, he does the same thing. I was amazed at how good he sounded the other day.
I also saw them in the late 80's and I'd say his voice was okay but Townsend was playing acoustic guitar because of his hearing problem so that was a bit of a disappointment. I think Roger and Entwistle basically carried that show.

Both times I've seen old Rog he's been great thankfully.
I'm glad Pete is playing electric guitar again these days, I remember his 'acoustic period' and it was such a disappointment. Can't really do an effective windmill with an acoustic!

I must check out the Live Aid DVD again...

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 11:30 AM

Both times I've seen old Rog he's been great thankfully.
I'm glad Pete is playing electric guitar again these days, I remember his acoustic period and it was such a disappointment.

I must check out the Live Aid DVD again...

Well, to cut Roger some slack, I will say that a lot of singer have trouble getting their breath here because the air is so thin. It's hard for anyone to belt it out at almost 6000 feet above sea level. :lol:

dissention

07-05-2005, 11:31 AM

Yeah but you have to admit she sounds better these days then she did during the late 80s, early 90s. She sounded fantastic on The Dance and Enchanted tours.

Anything sounds better than the late 80s/early 90s, my dear! :laugh: Those years were torturous. The period from '94-'98 is one of my favorites in terms of her voice. I just downloaded the East Rutherford show from '97 and it really makes me miss those days, and they were only eight years ago. She was on ****ing fire.

As for Lindsey, I think he sounds great these days personally.

Me, too. :xoxo:

chiliD

07-05-2005, 11:32 AM

SO not the same[/B]

You just proved MY point. That Eric CAN work with BabyFace, DUANE Allman, Phil Collins...let's also name BB King, Steve Winwood, John Mayer, Buddy Guy, Jimmie Vaughn, Sheryl Crow, Mary J. Blige, Aretha Franklin, Luciano Pavarotti, Bob Dylan.

He works with EVERYBODY, any genre, anywhere, anytime. It's all Eric.

If you think he's "boring", I suggest either you listen harder or open your mind. :shrug:

dissention

07-05-2005, 11:33 AM

It's not my thing but apparently a lot of people are buying them. :shrug:

I know, isn't it shocking? :laugh: At least when Midler did it, she took a unique approach to it by doing songs from only one artist and completely revamping them.

ThePenguin

07-05-2005, 11:35 AM

Ah, but I don't think that matters so much in a rock group. It's the passion and feeling that's the key.

Some of the greatest singers who can't sing: David Bowie, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed... there are probably quite a few more.

I'd have any of those any day over technically perfect but passionless singers.

Good point. Daltrey has certainly never lacked for passion in his singing.

I also adore Neil Young's voice, although I have to be in the mood for it, otherwise it grates on me. Whenever I put on 'Harvest Moon' it makes me cry overy time; it's absolutely beautiful even though his voice totally sucks LOL.

-Lis

wondergirl9847

07-05-2005, 11:37 AM

Me, too. :xoxo:

Me three!! I remember hearing Say Goodbye in London (fingers in my ears for maximum listening capabilities) and was blown away by Lindsey's vocals. They were perfect. :nod:

I agree that the OOTC tour brought us amazing vocals, and he may hit some foul notes or strain, but that's Lindsey's passion coming through. I don't get upset at hearing bad notes here and there from my faves. As long as they aren't lip-synching, I'm fine.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:41 AM

Good point. Daltrey has certainly never lacked for passion in his singing.

I also adore Neil Young's voice, although I have to be in the mood for it, otherwise it grates on me. Whenever I put on 'Harvest Moon' it makes me cry overy time; it's absolutely beautiful even though his voice totally sucks LOL.

-Lis

Harvest Moon is a gorgeous album. You're totally right about his voice. He can't sing, but sometimes his voice sounds so sweet other times it can be really annoying! :nod: I do love Neil though.

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 11:42 AM

Me three!! I remember hearing Say Goodbye in London (fingers in my ears for maximum listening capabilities) and was blown away by Lindsey's vocals. They were perfect. :nod:

I agree that the OOTC tour brought us amazing vocals, and he may hit some foul notes or strain, but that's Lindsey's passion coming through. I don't get upset at hearing bad notes here and there from my faves. As long as they aren't lip-synching, I'm fine.

I remember that too Christy and I totally agree :D

eclipse

07-05-2005, 11:51 AM

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 12:10 PM

chiliD

07-05-2005, 12:15 PM

I have seemed to anger or at least upset some of my buddies here with my Clapton observations-
Sorry it wasn't my intention, I was just stating MY opinion, that I perfer the older Clapton tunes to thye newer
NOTE: The last ballad he has recorded is NOT about his son 's fall- that was years ago and it was a beautiful song. I am not talking about the unplugged Clapton years I am talking about the last maybe, 2 years...
If my opinion is different than yours...I think that is OK-Right?

Sure. :wavey: Just havin' a Clapton discussion. :nod:

Are you including the album with BB King? A collaboration that was LONG overdue.

Are you including the One More Car, One More Rider concert DVD? (with the killer version of "River Of Tears"...didn't care for the Pilgrim album studio version all that much when it was released, but that live version just TUGGED at the heartstrings and made me listen to the studio version in a whole new way) Just a great concert all-around.

Are you including the Sessions for Robert j & the Me & Mr. Johnson albums? Jeez, Clapton doing a whole album of Robert Johnson tunes? What more can ya ask for?

All that said, since its release, the live Derek & Dominoes album gets more play from me than any other Clapton album. So go figure.

I USED to share your opinion about the "sloppy drunk Clapton" years, but in listening to that stuff now, he just sounds "sloppy drunk" and his guitar tone is really thin & weak.

eclipse

07-05-2005, 12:38 PM

The Firm did include Paul-From Bad Company
EXCELLENT SHOW and casette tape, for that matter...showing my age,
~~eclipse~~ :o :o

madformac

07-05-2005, 12:52 PM

Clapton still has it, his voice and style still have a place for me. He proved it on the recent Cream reunion gigs. He was the only one of the three that sounded sharp and sweet.

Roger Daltrey sang very well at Live 8, in fact he was a revelation to me because I expected the massacre he performed at the 9/11 gig. All I'm saying is he doesn't have a great range for a singer. Then again, in a rock band like The Who it doesn't really matter due to the type of music they play anyway.

As for Lindsey, I'm sorry but I don't know how you can say Lindsey is singing better now than before. His vocal range is now so limited. Sure on softer, subtle songs he's fine but on the rockers his voice is shot to pieces... I can only think it's the blind loyalty to Mac and it's members that is clouding your judgement. Lindsey's voice live is not as it was. He was a little bit weaker on The Dance tour but it was still very good. Somewhere between '97 and '02 his vocal chords got wrecked.. Lindsey's best live voice was on the Concert For The Environment in 1986. Unfortunately for the public he was at his prime when he had finished live work with Fleetwood Mac.

Lindsey's voice up until the Tusk tour was quite high but it was perfect for harmonising. His voice got more aggressive during the Mirage Tour and reached it's peak between 1986 and 1993.

Everybody has their favorite Fleetwood Mac era but I fail to see how his voice has improved by losing it's range? :shrug: As a performer he's made up for it by his spastic motions and antics on stage during the last tour.

He's still a hell of a guitarist and with some vocal coaching and less smoking could probably get into shape for the possible 2007 tour.

chiliD

07-05-2005, 12:53 PM

Whose lead singer was Paul Rodgers of Bad Company.

Or, Paul Rodgers of Free, or Paul Rodgers of Queen, depending on your point of reference. ;) :cool:

And, let's not forget Paul's guest lead vocal on the Peter Green Splinter Group version of "Sweet Home Chicago", too!

xdreamsunwindx

07-05-2005, 01:33 PM

Agreed. Anyone who thinks he's "boring" is definitely crazy.

I'm crazy, then. Nothing that I didn't know. :woohoo:

Um, aging rockers. Hm.

Joe Walsh still sounds great. I saw him two weeks ago with the James Gang, and he sounds exactly the same. I love his voice for some reason. He can still rock out, totally. Chrissie Hynde and Debbie Harry still sound fabulous, so do Bono and Tom Petty. I still think that Lindsey sounds good. Same with Stevie - I love her voice now. It's so sultry. <3

Siouxsie Sioux still sounds good, but she lost a little bit of range. I remeber seeing the Banshees' Seven Year Itch video, and she sounded a little off, but she can still do it. Patti Smith sounds great; she sounds exactly the same as she did back in the 70s.

I think that Springsteen's voice nowadays is a little.. meh. He's kinda croaky, moreso than he used to be. And I'm not a Paul McCartney fan (I'm a John & George fan), but he still sounds good. And Roger Daltrey will always be awesome in my eyes.

dissention

07-05-2005, 01:48 PM

Joe Walsh still sounds great. I saw him two weeks ago with the James Gang, and he sounds exactly the same. I love his voice for some reason. He can still rock out, totally. Chrissie Hynde and Debbie Harry still sound fabulous, so do Bono and Tom Petty. I still think that Lindsey sounds good. Same with Stevie - I love her voice now. It's so sultry. <3

Chrissie and Debbie are in a new punk documentary that premieres on Saturday night on the Independent Film Channel. It looks pretty good from the clips and commercials I saw. They premiered a doc on the Sex Pistols the other night, but it royally sucked, so hopefully this is better.

Miss Vicky

07-05-2005, 02:12 PM

As for Lindsey, I'm sorry but I don't know how you can say Lindsey is singing better now than before. His vocal range is now so limited. Sure on softer, subtle songs he's fine but on the rockers his voice is shot to pieces... I can only think it's the blind loyalty to Mac and it's members that is clouding your judgement. Lindsey's voice live is not as it was. He was a little bit weaker on The Dance tour but it was still very good. Somewhere between '97 and '02 his vocal chords got wrecked.. Lindsey's best live voice was on the Concert For The Environment in 1986. Unfortunately for the public he was at his prime when he had finished live work with Fleetwood Mac.

Lindsey's voice up until the Tusk tour was quite high but it was perfect for harmonising. His voice got more aggressive during the Mirage Tour and reached it's peak between 1986 and 1993.

Everybody has their favorite Fleetwood Mac era but I fail to see how his voice has improved by losing it's range? :shrug: As a performer he's made up for it by his spastic motions and antics on stage during the last tour.

He's still a hell of a guitarist and with some vocal coaching and less smoking could probably get into shape for the possible 2007 tour.

Blind loyalty my ass.

I say his voice sounds better than ever because it does. It's deeper, more masculine, sexier. I went to three of the SYW concerts and was blown away by his performance-not by his stage antics-but by the sound of his voice, the passion with which he plays, and by his electrifying presence. My best friend, who is decidedly NOT a fan of Fleetwood Mac, went with me and was "amazed" by LB as well. I fail to see how you can imply that the sound of his voice is "an embarrassment" to the band.

dissention

07-05-2005, 02:24 PM

His vocal range is now so limited.

So is Stevie's, yet people still fall head over heels for her progressively weak voice. :shrug: It's all a matter of personal taste. As Victoria said, I prefer his more masculine sounding voice to his balls-being-tweaked voice from the seventies. He has more power to his voice than he did back then and I think it's changed for the better. Sure, he hits lots of bum notes and sometimes screams too much, but rock music isn't meant to be perfect. Unlike Stevie, he still has enough vocal stamina and control to be able to belt out tunes like a rock star, imo.

SuzeQuze

07-05-2005, 02:31 PM

Anything sounds better than the late 80s/early 90s, my dear! :laugh: Those years were torturous. The period from '94-'98 is one of my favorites in terms of her voice. I just downloaded the East Rutherford show from '97 and it really makes me miss those days, and they were only eight years ago. She was on ****ing fire.

Me, too. :xoxo:

I love the HOB live show she did during that period. Her Rhiannon gave me chills and I was so excited because it felt like she was back, as though she had been gone.

tuigirl

07-05-2005, 02:37 PM

Actually, I happen to agree with MFM in that his voice has really gotten quite a bit worse over the last couple of years, esp in the higher bits, he sounds very strained for most songs which is a shame (why can't he and Stevie share the vocal coach?). I'm worried that the Mac will eventually cease to be if we can no longer hear the singer singing GYOW, Don't stop and the like..maybe Stevie could take over his vocals as well..she was in my opinion helping him along quite a bit on this last tour..don't get me wrong his guitar playing is still great, maybe even better in parts, and he makes up for any singing troubles with his talent in that dept :nod:

Incidently, I think Don Henley still has a super voice and sounds just like he used to..Joe Walsh on the other hand is better playing his guitar....

strandinthewind

07-05-2005, 02:41 PM

dissention

07-05-2005, 02:46 PM

Well, that is a little unfair - Stevie has more range, but shows it rarely a la B&B in its current mode and Circle Dance. Maybe its just the old stuff that is rote.

That's your opinion. I don't hear much of a range from her and haven't in years, especially since something went sour for her voice in late 2000/early 2001 and it never returned. She never had much of a range to begin with and it has only gotten worse through years of misuse and abuse. Listening to her sometimes, it sounds like she's trying incredibly hard to croak out those songs. But we won't agree, so carry on. :)

strandinthewind

07-05-2005, 02:50 PM

That's your opinion. I don't hear much of a range from her and haven't in years, especially since something went sour for her voice in late 2000/early 2001 and it never returned. She never had much of a range to begin with and it has only gotten worse through years of misuse and abuse. Listening to her sometimes, it sounds like she's trying incredibly hard to croak out those songs. But we won't agree, so carry on. :)

I thought B&B showed power and range, esp. when she hits the A. I am not alone in that, even Tower agreed with me :shrug:

But, I do agree that she rarely uses it and that pisses me off a little, esp. since 2000 - TISL was painful to listen to though I give her leave while she was sick, but the rest of it was as well, esp, SDMHA :eek:

madformac

07-05-2005, 02:56 PM

Blind loyalty my ass.

Never seen your ass so I couldn't comment on that point Vicky.. :]

I say his voice sounds better than ever because it does.

:shrug: Great arguement there..... :shocked:

It's deeper, more masculine, sexier. I went to three of the SYW concerts and was blown away by his performance-not by his stage antics-but by the sound of his voice, the passion with which he plays, and by his electrifying presence. My best friend, who is decidedly NOT a fan of Fleetwood Mac, went with me and was "amazed" by LB as well.

I'm not talking about the depth of his voice, I think he sounds better deeper than very high pitched, I'm So Afraid is proof of that.. What I'm talking about is the vocal range of his voice. He's trying to sing the songs as he used to instead of changing his approach to accomodate his diminished range.

Stevie is a classic example. She doesn't have the range she used to either but she has changed her approach and sings the songs differently as a result. I'm not a fan of hers but I have to admit she impressed me on the SYW tour because I expected it to have suffered far more.

I think maybe you need to hear more of Lindsey live over the years to make a proper judgement. I'm not a vocal coach but even I can tell Lindsey was strained on the last tour.

I fail to see how you can imply that the sound of his voice is "an embarrassment" to the band

Actually I said " I would hate to think it was so bad they couldn't tour again without becoming an embarassment."

Not quite the same really......

dissention

07-05-2005, 02:56 PM

I thought B&B showed power and range, esp. when she hits the A. I am not alone in that, even Tower agreed with me :shrug:

That's nice. Her renditions of that song so far this year have been spotty. Sometimes she tries, other times she doesn't; most likely due to not being able to hit all the notes because she's so weak vocally from the damage she's done to her voice. These past few years, she has had a pattern of starting out strong for a few early shows and then getting weaker, turning into a burnt out husk of her already burnt out husk of her former self (copyright: Sparky :laugh: ). It hasn't been the same since Enchanted for me.

But, I do agree that she rarely uses it and that pisses me off a little, esp. since 2000 - TISL was painful to listen to though I give her leave while she was sick, but the rest of it was as well, esp, SDMHA :eek:

It was painful and she didn't seem to care. Like I said, something left her voice during that time and I don't think it'll ever return. I'm not a big fan of it since then.

Hawkeye

07-05-2005, 03:25 PM

So is Stevie's, yet people still fall head over heels for her progressively weak voice. :shrug: It's all a matter of personal taste. As Victoria said, I prefer his more masculine sounding voice to his balls-being-tweaked voice from the seventies. He has more power to his voice than he did back then and I think it's changed for the better. Sure, he hits lots of bum notes and sometimes screams too much, but rock music isn't meant to be perfect. Unlike Stevie, he still has enough vocal stamina and control to be able to belt out tunes like a rock star, imo.

OK I JUST saw Stevie belt tunes out like a rock star less then 2 weeks ago. The Edge wail is currently like 15 seconds long. add to that her covering Rock and Roll. Hell thats the definition of belting like a rock star. And then there's Fall From Grace and Outside the Rain.. And then there's Circle Dance, which isnt rocking but really freaking shows how good her voice is currently.I think Stevie can belt like a rock star currently better then Lindsey. Lindsey makes up for it big time with his guitar playing, and overall rock antics, so I'd say he might win the battle over all, be Stevie sings Lindsey under the table with Edge of 17 and Fall From Grace compared to Go Your Own Way and Im So Afraid.

darklinensuit

07-05-2005, 03:40 PM

Roger Daltrey has an amazing voice in my opinion :shrug: In fact I'd go as far to say it's one of THE rock voices.

I've never forgiven him for doing that music video in bed with Barbra. Enough said. :(

- Jake

darklinensuit

07-05-2005, 03:43 PM

I think Lindsey's voice was best in the 70s. I love it on Without A Leg To Stand On, Blue Letter, and Crystal. I like the OOTC songs as well, but I prefer the early vocals.

- Jake

trackaghost

07-05-2005, 04:29 PM

Roger Daltrey sang very well at Live 8, in fact he was a revelation to me because I expected the massacre he performed at the 9/11 gig. All I'm saying is he doesn't have a great range for a singer. Then again, in a rock band like The Who it doesn't really matter due to the type of music they play anyway.

As for Lindsey, I'm sorry but I don't know how you can say Lindsey is singing better now than before. His vocal range is now so limited.

:shrug: In my earlier post I talked about how a singer's range doesn't necessarily make them a better singer in my eyes.
Look at Marianne Faithful for instance. She had a better range in her youth, with her angelic girly voice but I'd take her world-weary smokey croak of Broken English any day.

Range means nothing to me. Celine Dion has range, but I'd prefer Lou Reed's speak-sing, Roger Daltry's passion or Neil Young's slightly-out of tune sweetness any day.

As for Lindsey, I just prefer his deeper voice now. I don't care that he hasn't got the range any more.

mylittledemon

07-05-2005, 05:04 PM

Lindsey and Stevie HAVE lost a lot of their range, period. There is no disputing that. That happens with age. It's whether or not they can still use what they have presentably that is the question. They can still pull off making records, and doing live shows, without all of us out in the audience cringing.

madformac

07-05-2005, 05:22 PM

:shrug: In my earlier post I talked about how a singer's range doesn't necessarily make them a better singer in my eyes......

Range means nothing to me....

As for Lindsey, I just prefer his deeper voice now. I don't care that he hasn't got the range any more.

The point is that Lou Reed, Dylan, even Daltrey write and sing songs that suit their voices. OK, they don't have the range but at least I assume they know it because the songs are suited....

Lindsey is trying to sing the songs as he used to. Now his range has decreased he should adapt the songs to his voice and he isn't doing so. Which is why you get the strained vocals.. I'm sure he could get some of his range back with coaching. The greater his range the more tools he has to use. The more tools an artist has, the more they can improvise in theory..

dissention

07-05-2005, 06:42 PM

Look at Marianne Faithful for instance. She had a better range in her youth, with her angelic girly voice but I'd take her world-weary smokey croak of Broken English any day.

The Ballad of Lucy Jordan. *double swoon* One of my favorite vocal performances EVER.

GODDESS6

07-05-2005, 07:39 PM

Agreed. Anyone who thinks he's "boring" is definitely crazy.
eric is f@cking phenomenal :thumbsup: !!!~

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 08:48 PM

Or, Paul Rodgers of Free, or Paul Rodgers of Queen, depending on your point of reference. ;) :cool:

And, let's not forget Paul's guest lead vocal on the Peter Green Splinter Group version of "Sweet Home Chicago", too!

Okay, Okay! :lol: He's best know for and currently still with BC so I thought I would just mention that. :)

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 08:50 PM

Incidently, I think Don Henley still has a super voice and sounds just like he used to..Joe Walsh on the other hand is better playing his guitar....

According to henleyfan, he's not drinking anymore. So good for him.

gldstwmn

07-05-2005, 08:56 PM

:shrug: In my earlier post I talked about how a singer's range doesn't necessarily make them a better singer in my eyes.
Look at Marianne Faithful for instance. She had a better range in her youth, with her angelic girly voice but I'd take her world-weary smokey croak of Broken English any day.

Range means nothing to me. Celine Dion has range, but I'd prefer Lou Reed's speak-sing, Roger Daltry's passion or Neil Young's slightly-out of tune sweetness any day.

As for Lindsey, I just prefer his deeper voice now. I don't care that he hasn't got the range any more.

Joni Mitchell's mature voice suits her quite well, I think. Unfotunately, I can't say the same for a lot of the older artists. Robert Plant for example. He dodged almost every high note the last time I saw him. :shrug: It made for a rather uneventful show besides the living legend aspect of it. The Egyptian orchestra was nice too.

strandinthewind

07-05-2005, 09:25 PM

Joni Mitchell's mature voice suits her quite well, I think. Unfotunately, I can't say the same for a lot of the older artists. Robert Plant for example. He dodged almost every high note the last time I saw him. :shrug: It made for a rather uneventful show besides the living legend aspect of it. The Egyptian orchestra was nice too.

She did an interview awhile back amd said she sang for years in the wrong range for her voice and now this lower range was actually where she should have been. I love her.

Nico

07-05-2005, 09:35 PM

I happen to love a lot of artists with very worn-out, almost "unattractive" voices...it makes the songs more intresting to me. Lou Reed is one of my favorite artists ever. I love him and I love that voice, man. Give me Leonard Cohen any day, any way...love him.

However, I disagree with those who say Macca's voice still sounds as great as it once was. His voice has gotten worse to me, particularly noticable on his last two albums (studio and live). With some artists, it doesn't bug me at all. But given the fact I make such an effort to try and enjoy much of his solo work (sorry), the voice makes a big difference to me. The last thing where he sounded pretty good was Flaming Pie. Yes, he is 62 and we're lucky we have him...but still, if his voice annoys me sometimes I gotta say it- much as I love him.

Lindsey's voice doesn't bother me at all. I love it. It's really sexy. I mean, yeah he sounds out of key here and there, but I get so into the momentum of his music and energy that it doesn't bug me. Plus his guitar playing is sooooo beautiful, I really just don't care. (After viewing how he sang when he was younger, I agree with those who say the current deeper voice is better. Man, his voice was high-pitched!)

I like Stevie's current voice a lot as well. Especially on some of her TISL tracks.

I guess I'm just picky. I can take Dylan and Cohen and Lindsey and Stevie, but Macca just underwhelms me the majority of the time, particularly as of late. But of course, I'm not much of a solo-Macca fan. John and George? Oh baby!!!! :nod:

wondergirl9847

07-06-2005, 04:11 PM

I just heard The Chain (Dance) on my iTunes playlist and Lindsey's "Run, run, run, run, run, run run, run!!" and it made me think of why I love his voice so much even though he has lost some range.

It's because he does interesting things with his voice when he sings. He'll break his voice (like lots of country singers do) or do some vocal run that totally makes the song for me. Stevie does that sometimes too and I was totally taken aback when she broke her voice during some song in England. When they sing a song EXACTLY as it is, melody-wise, on it's respective album, I HATE that! I wanna hear a different vocal, a unique vocal. :nod:

Anyways...just wanted to add that.

trackaghost

07-06-2005, 04:19 PM

Christy, I agree with every single thing you just said! :nod: :xoxo:

wondergirl9847

07-06-2005, 04:43 PM

*High fives Sharon*

:D

I am all about melody in a song and how singers use their voice. I've teared up listening to songs that had a terrific melody or amazing harmony. Frick, I've cried listening to Lindsey's guitar solos that had ONE part in it that was unique. LOL

chiliD

07-06-2005, 05:53 PM

According to henleyfan, he's not drinking anymore.

And, he's not drinking any less, either! :eek:

Sorry, had to jump on that set-up!

BTFLCHLD

07-06-2005, 05:58 PM

wondergirl9847
i love your sig ***swoon***

has anyone seen that show about one-hit wonders...i don't know the name of it. they had missing persons on last time...now there's a voice (dale bazzio) that's changed for the worse!

wondergirl9847

07-06-2005, 06:10 PM

That show is called Hit Me Baby One More Time.

HejiraNYC

07-06-2005, 08:51 PM

Actually I was quite appalled by the vocals at Live8... by just about every "veteran" act, especially Pink Floyd. :eek: David Gilmour's voice used to be buttah... now it's just Parkay. Same with Roger Waters, although he was never the most impressive singer to begin with. I guess, like the old saying goes, you use it or you lose it and it's obvious those Pink Floyd boys have not been up to much lately.

As for Lindsey sounding better than ever? Hell-to-the-no!!! (thanks, Whitney :)) The Buffalo SYW boot is simply unlistenable with all of his caterwauling. He couldn't find a key in a locksmith's shop. I sometimes wonder if it's actually his hearing that's shot, so he is trying to compensate by yelling out the lyrics and growling. I respect the man, I think he's a brilliant guitarist and producer... and... I'll leave it at that. :shrug:

As for all of those who are dishing Stevie hate on here, obviously you have not seen her on the Two Voices/Gold Dust tours. I have seen Stevie in concert since RAL and I can honestly say she has never sounded better live. She has so much better control of her pitch and vibrato, and everything seems effortless with her these days. I thought she sounded pitchy and hoarse on the Dance tour... and we can all agree that TISL was a fiasco. But wow... she's back in a big way these days. I think the big difference between Stevie and Lindsey is that she is taking care of her voice and she knows when to hold back, and you can pretty much chalk that up to experience- she has done a lot more singing than Lindsey.

shackin'up

07-07-2005, 04:10 AM

Well The Who blew me away this weekend, They were powerful and determined. Daltry's voice has been a lot weaker during the 80's but he was SO good at live 8. But also the brutal and lovely guitarwork of mr. Townsend spunked bigtime. Lindsey's voice has more depth now,although it weakend too in some spaces. I love how he sang ISA the last tour: more despair. The only point in that song where you can hear his range got a little cut back is in "days when the rain and the sun are gun". But he found a great way to give that line another feel, that totally fits in the song. I'm still amazed about his voice: the way he belts out Come is simply irresistable and if you compare that one with the power of the singing during SHN, NGBA Say Goodbye and the backings on Beautiful Child and Silver Springs I really don't know why we should complain.

And in the studio: listen to the whispering during a song like Blue turns to grey: that's how subtle his voice can be. Awesome performance.