Bella Donna Bella Donna Bella Donna

[ReFleetwoodMac]

Does anybody else think that on the cover of Bella Donna she looks freakishly tall and frightening?

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OOOH I adore that cover, it is my fav of her solo albums. She does look much taller than she was Tuesday night, LOL...she was itty bitty...so tiny, just like a little girl...just adorable.

~Barbara


Does anybody else think that on the cover of Bella Donna she looks freakishly tall and frightening?

[johnny4406]

Stevie looks like someone completely different in the Bella Donna cover. :shocked:

[Nixxxed]

It's the boots It's the boots It's the boots.

And the bird And the bird And the bird.

http://users4.ev1.net/~iansnana/rockycloseup2.jpg

[ontheEdgeof17]

It's my least favorite cover. Looks like ****. :D

[Nixxxed]

That bird needs to dust its beak.
http://users4.ev1.net/~iansnana/attack!.jpg

Maybe so, but YOU try telling him. :laugh:

[Nixxxed]

http://users4.ev1.net/~iansnana/attack!.jpg

Maybe so, but YOU try telling him. :laugh:
http://users4.ev1.net/~iansnana/rockybites.jpg

Cuz this is what you'll get, trust me.

[JazmenFlowers]

It's my least favorite cover. Looks like ****. :D

Bella Donna is my favorite cover, tied with The Wild Heart. However, I do agree that Stevie's face doesn't really look like her if you think about it.

[LikeAWillow]

The Bella Donna cover is my absolute favorite! I love the mystical element of it...Stevie in white against the dark background...the tambourine with the roses...hell, i love the bird :shrug: I see what your saying about her not looking like herself, but despite the picture, I think the overall feeling of the album cover is what makes it her best.

~Marissa~

[David]

It's my least favorite cover. Looks like ****. :DCurtis, you're pissin' me off.

The cover of "Bella Donna" is Fleetwood Mac "The Chain" live & in concert, 1980. It RAWKS.

[gldstwmn]

Does anybody else think that on the cover of Bella Donna she looks freakishly tall and frightening?

No. But we all have our fears. :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Curtis, you're pissin' me off.

The cover of "Bella Donna" is Fleetwood Mac "The Chain" live & in concert, 1980. It RAWKS.


I think it looks cheap.

[amber]

I think it looks cheap.
I don't like it, either - but I don't like Stevie's hair on it, or something. I don't like the bird, either, but....
I DO like Nixxed's bird. A lot. Makes me laugh every time.

[JazmenFlowers]

I think it looks cheap.

cheap? in what respect?

[ontheEdgeof17]

cheap? in what respect?

In all aspects.

[Sugar]

In all aspects.

I think the bird looks stupid. But the OSOTM cover is worse.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I think the bird looks stupid. But the OSOTM cover is worse.


How odd. That's my favorite cover. :wavey:

[amber]

How odd. That's my favorite cover. :wavey:
yeah, really. :thumbsup: Oh, wait, I like TISL the best. But OSOTM is good.

[HejiraNYC]

It's a brilliant cover- sexy but feminine, girly but rawk chick. And the beaded hair flaps (or whatever the heck you call those) were quite sexy. I used to draw pictures of the cover as a kid... I found it challenging to capture that facial expression as well as all of the folds of her dress.

Only much later did I realize that it was a direct rip-off of the cover of Cher's "Dark Lady" album. Even the calligraphy was similar!:

http://www.musicfan.ru/img/cher/chercd11.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000257BZ.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[LilyRose]

I don't think Bella Donna is scary, just not my favorite. I don't like her hair or make up.

To me, her album covers always leave something to be desired...with the exception of TISL. They all could've been so much more creative and beautiful.

Susie

[SapphireSister]

It's a brilliant cover- sexy but feminine, girly but rawk chick. And the beaded hair flaps (or whatever the heck you call those) were quite sexy. I used to draw pictures of the cover as a kid... I found it challenging to capture that facial expression as well as all of the folds of her dress.

Only much later did I realize that it was a direct rip-off of the cover of Cher's "Dark Lady" album. Even the calligraphy was similar!:

http://www.musicfan.ru/img/cher/chercd11.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000257BZ.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

OMG I never knew this. Do you think they knew about the Cher cover?

[rose.gypsy]

It's a brilliant cover- sexy but feminine, girly but rawk chick. And the beaded hair flaps (or whatever the heck you call those) were quite sexy. I used to draw pictures of the cover as a kid... I found it challenging to capture that facial expression as well as all of the folds of her dress.

Only much later did I realize that it was a direct rip-off of the cover of Cher's "Dark Lady" album. Even the calligraphy was similar!:

http://www.musicfan.ru/img/cher/chercd11.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000257BZ.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg



wow never saw that before.

bella donna was stevie's primetime. too bad she had to be a thief!

[ontheEdgeof17]

wow never saw that before.

bella donna was stevie's primetime. too bad she had to be a thief!


:laugh: She steals a lot.

[SapphireSister]

:laugh: She steals a lot.

Do tell...what else has she stolen?

[ontheEdgeof17]

Do tell...what else has she stolen?


lots and lots of song lyrics. Kinda hard these days to find a 'Stevie only' song.

[LeighB04]

wow never saw that before.

bella donna was stevie's primetime. too bad she had to be a thief!


Did Chris design it, by any chance?

[darklinensuit]

RAL is my favorite cover by far, but I like the BD cover. It's a sexy pose, though I don't really like birds. I do think Stevie looked like that for a time, like in the Insider video.

BTW, At the El Paso or Phoenix show (can't remember which) there was a woman who looked just like Stevie on this cover, especially the hair. Deanna & I were gawking at her.

- Jake

[rose.gypsy]

:laugh: She steals a lot.


umm actually she does.

she has ripped off tons of lyrics and music.

that is a FACT!

[rose.gypsy]

Did Chris design it, by any chance?

what does that have to do with the price of peanuts?

her ass went along with it.

[GypsySorcerer]

To me, her album covers always leave something to be desired...with the exception of TISL. They all could've been so much more creative and beautiful.

Susie

Completely agree.

[rose.gypsy]

Do tell...what else has she stolen?


how long have you been a fan sister of the jewel?


here is just some of the stuff.

thanks tiff :thumbsup:


From "The Picture Of Dorian Gray" by Oscar Wilde

Wilde: "Out of the unreal shadows of the night comes the real life that we had known."

Stevie (Rooms On Fire): "Somewhere out of the back of your mind comes your real life and the life that you know."

Wilde: "He hated to be separated from the picture that was such a part of his life,"

Stevie (Rooms On Fire): "he hated to be separated... from that picture"

Wilde: "He would laugh at anyone who tried to taunt him"

Stevie (Rooms On Fire): "she laughed and she cried and she tried to taunt him"

From "Tragedy of One's Own Soul" by Oscar Wilde

Wilde: "Yet, after some time, he wearied of them, and would sit in his box at the Opera, either alone or with Lord Henry, listening in rapt pleasure to Tannhauser, and seeing in the prelude to that great work of art a presentation of the tragedy of his own soul." (Tragedy Of One's Soul) "presentation of the tragedy of his own soul" "For some reason or other, the house was crowded that night..."

Stevie (Tragedy of One's Own Soul): "House is full tonight"

Wilde: "'I like men who have a future, and women who have a past,' he answered."

Stevie (Paper Doll): "you like a man with a future... you like a woman with a past"

Wilde: "A huge fire was blazing."

Stevie (Fire Burning): "A huge fire was burning"

Wilde: "His eyes grew strangely bright."

Stevie (Fire Burning): "And her eyes grew strangely bright"

Wilde: "When that high spirit, that morning star of evil, it was as a rebel that he fell."

Stevie (Freedom): "Beautiful as you are, with that high spirit... morning star of evil hit me"

Wilde: "Dim and wavering as was the wind-blown light, yet it served to show him the hideous error, into which he had fallen,"

Stevie (Freedom): "Dim and wavering on a wind-blown night" & "As was the wind-blown night into which she'd fallen"

From "The Birthday Of The Infanta" by Oscar Wilde

Stevie's song Have No Heart parallels the story of The Birthday of the Infanta.

Wilde: "'But why will he not dance again?' asked the Infanta, laughing."

Stevie (Have No Heart): "why will he not dance again"

Stevie (Have No Heart): "If he had lived, well, he might have made the king smile"

Wilde: "'For the future let those who come to play with me have no hearts,' she cried, and she ran into the garden"

Stevie (Have No Heart): "well, in the future send no one to me who has a heart"

From "The Happy Prince" by Oscar Wilde

Wilde: "'I am waited for in Egypt,' said the Swallow."

Stevie (Kick It): "Well I'm waited for in Egypt"

Wilde: "'I will stay with you one night longer' said the Swallow."

Stevie (Kick It): "I'll stay with you one more night"

From "Madonna Mia" by Oscar Wilde

Wilde: "A LILY-GIRL, not made for this world's pain/ With brown, soft hair close braided by her ears/ And longing eyes half veiled by slumberous tears/ Like bluest water seen through mists of rain"

Stevie (Lily Girl): "She was a Lily Girl, not made for this world/ Veiled eyes covering nights of tears, nights of tears/ Like the blue, blue water and the crystal fountains"

From "Rappaccini's Daughter" by Nathaniel Hawthorne


Stevie's song Running Through The Garden parallels the story of Rappucini's Daughter.

Hawthorne: "'That this lovely woman,' continued Baglioni, with emphasis, 'had been nourished with poisons from her birth upward, until her whole nature was so imbued with them that she herself had become the deadliest poison in existence.'"

Stevie (Running Through The Garden): "until she herself became the deadliest poison, as she grew older"

From The Complete Works of Edgar Allen Poe


Poe ("Eulalie"): "Now doubt-- now pain come never again"

Stevie (Planets of the Universe): "No doubt, no pain come ever again"

Poe ("Dream-Land"): "Mountains toppling evermore Into seas without a shore"

Stevie (Planets of the Universe): "They go into the seas that have no shores"

Poe ("Dream-Land"): "Seas that restlessly aspire, Surging, unto skies of fire"

Stevie (Planets of the Universe): "Looking up at skies on fire"

Poe ("Serenade"): "The wearied light is lying down, and earth, and stars, and sea, and sky are redolent with sleep"

Stevie (Planets of the Universe): "The bright light is lying down, the earth and the sea and the sky is at rest with the ocean"

Stevie's "Annabel Lee" demo is the Poe poem set to melody.

From The Telltale Heart by Edgar Allen Poe


Poe's story centers around a man who commits a murder and hide's his victim's heart beneath a floorboard. He is haunted by the sound of the heart beating, until his guilt drives him mad and he confesses.

Stevie (Dreams): "Like a heartbeat drives you mad, in the stillness of remembering..."

From "Wuthering Heights" (film version)


Film: "He was my friend long before you"

Stevie (Gypsy Beggars): "he was my friend long ago, before you"

Film: "Why did you stay so long in that house?"

Stevie (Gypsy Beggars): "Why did you stay so long in that house"
Film: "So that beggar's dirt is on you"

Stevie (Gypsy Beggars): "and the beggar's dust"

Film: "Some of that gypsy's evil soul has gone into you, I think"

Stevie (Gypsy Beggars): "somewhere in his gypsy soul"

Film: "Why have you that silk frock on, then?"

Stevie (Gypsy Beggars): "why this silk dress"

Film: "If he loved you with all the power of his soul for the whole lifetime, he couldn't love you as much as I do in a single day. Not he, not the world. Not even you Cathy can come between us."

Stevie (Wild Heart): "Not even you can tear us apart"

Film: "Oh my wild heart!"

Stevie (Wild Heart): "my wild heart"

Film: "I would live silently contented in your shadow"

Stevie (Beauty & The Beast): "I would fall in your shadow"

From "A Tale Of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens

Dickens: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"

Stevie (Not Make Believe): "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"

From The Mabinogion Tetralogy by Evangeline Walton

In Welsh folklore, Rhiannon was a mytological figure with three birds that were said to take away pain with their song.

Stevie (Stay Away): "Well in the seven books of Rhiannon another of the treasures were the three birds, that the birds of Rhiannon sing away the pain... take away the darkness, and sing you golden rainbows. Just this minute the three birds are flying in perfect formation... the emerald, the gold and the snow white... because they have lived forever."

Walton (The Prince Of Annwyn): "...a Bird that is not Mine" & "Three birds flew around Her head, and their song was sweet. "

Stevie (Maker Of Birds/Three Birds of Rhiannon): "a bird that is not mine, three birds that belong to her"

Walton (The Prince of Annwyn): "One was as tenderly green as the leaves, one shown white as snow, and the third flashed like a sunbeam."

Stevie (Maker Of Birds/Three Birds of Rhiannon): "one emerald green, one snow white, one golden flashing like a sunbeam through the night"

Walton (The Prince Of Annwyn): "A woman sat there, and it was from her that the light in that place came."

Stevie (Maker Of Birds/Three Birds of Rhiannon): "the light and the face were the same"

Walton (The Prince Of annwyn): "Her hair shone, it streamed red gold to her noble, high-arched feet..."

Stevie (Maker Of Birds/Three Birds of Rhiannon): "her hair shone... streamed blonde and gold"

Walton (The Prince Of Annwyn): "her one thin garment hid no more than the water would."

Stevie (Maker Of Birds/Three Birds of Rhiannon): "her gown was no more than the water could cover"

Walton (The Prince Of Annwyn): "They stood in green plain, and She raised Her white arms, and from beneath each arm a white horse came. The horses met, they pranced and cuveted, they became many horses and danced, light as leaves upon the wind."

Stevie (Maker Of Birds/Three Birds of Rhiannon): "and the white mares danced"

Walton (The Children Of Llyr): "I have given him a little light, and it is burning him worse than his own fire"

Stevie (Sara): "said you'd give me light, but you never told me about the fire"
Walton (The Children Of Llyr): "She was a poet, and it [the starling] was her pupil"

Stevie (Sara): makes reference to a starling, and "the poet in my heart".

Walton (The Children Of Llyr): "A hawk may take the starling, or storms drown her in the sea, or she may forget all and follow a lover,"

Stevie (Sara): "drowning in the sea of love".

Walton (The Children Of Llyr): "Sleep came once more, like a great, dark, soft wing"

Stevie (Sara): "like a great dark wing"

Walton (The Children Of Llyr): "Night is coming, and I will get sleepy"

Stevie (Sara): "Hold on, the night is coming"

Walton (The Children Of Llyr): "Long and lonely was the [starling's] flight"

Stevie (Sara): "and the starling flew for days"

Walton (Island Of The Mighty): "...and the sickly light, struggling to pierce the veils of night, gives all the earth a wan and distorted strangeness, like a dead face seen through the fog."

Stevie (Angel): "ghost through the fog"

Walton (Island Of The Mighty): "That charmed hour when neither light or darkness has power, and the creatures of both seem to scurry, mist-shrouded and inhuman, through the unsettled spheres"

Stevie (Angel): "like a charmed hour"


[B]St. Cecilia

Cecilia was a martyr condemned to death by suffocation. She is often associated with roses & lillies (red & white), because she was said to be crowned with them by an angel.

Stevie (Cecilia): "If I cannot breathe, then I cannot dream" & "Suffer your love" & "Where have the white birds flown" & "Cecilia... long red cape".
From "The Dark at the Top of the Stairs" by William Inge



Melusine

The mythological Melusine was a water sprite who was cursed to turn into a serpent from the waist down every Saturday night. She married her lover on the one condition that he could never see her on Saturday evenings. He broke his promise by secretly observing her, and Melusine fled to live alone. Read more: Melusina Myth, by Homiera Foth.

Stevie (Melacine/The Witch): Melacine lived alone by the sea...

[GateandGarden]

Completely agree.I agree, too. To me, there's some cheap aspect of every album cover except TISL. I'm still a big fan of BD and Timespace, though.

[GypsySorcerer]

I agree, too. To me, there's some cheap aspect of every album cover except TISL. I'm still a big fan of BD and Timespace, though.


I like BellaDonna too. It's my favorite after TISL. RAL is my least favorite.

[dissention]

I like BellaDonna too. It's my favorite after TISL. RAL is my least favorite.

Same here. :wavey: I do like the WH album cover a bit, too. It's very warm and Stevie-ish. The RAL one, though, sheesh. That horrific veil and matching dress make her look like she's going to an mobster's wake, and her nostrils are so large that you could probably fly one (or two) 747's through each one and out the other.

[darklinensuit]

Same here. :wavey: I do like the WH album cover a bit, too. It's very warm and Stevie-ish. The RAL one, though, sheesh. That horrific veil and matching dress make her look like she's going to an mobster's wake, and her nostrils are so large that you could probably fly one (or two) 747's through each one and out the other.

No, you could fly a belt in, though.
I love this cover. It's so simple, she looks hot IMO, she's almost smiling - in the other covers she looks sad or pissed or scared. Plus it's like she's caught in mid-spin while she's playing dress-up in oversized clothes. The cover captures a fun side of Stevie. I just love it.

- Jake

[GypsySorcerer]

Same here. :wavey: I do like the WH album cover a bit, too. It's very warm and Stevie-ish. The RAL one, though, sheesh. That horrific veil and matching dress make her look like she's going to an mobster's wake, and her nostrils are so large that you could probably fly one (or two) 747's through each one and out the other.

Yeah, that veil is the pits. Actually, as I've said many times, I pretty much hate everything about RAL. :p (except "If I Were You")

[GODDESS6]

i think she look hot on that cover, yeah the boots make her seem overly long-legged, but i still think it is gorgeous~ but... the back picture to me is the one i woulda put on the cover, that close up of Stevie, is absolutely flawless & gorgeous, thru all the years & photo after photo i have seen this is still one of my favs!!!~

[KarmaContestant]

Such loving, loyal fans. No wonder the woman is still touring....all these sucker fans will gladly pay to see her perform the same songs 20 years running....even if they don't buy her records. Why go into the studio when your hardcore fans do nothing but complain about your songs, your writings, accuse you of stealing lyrics, and bitch that your album covers are shoddy, cheap and a rip off of someone else's idea. For the record, Stevie says that she concieved the cover of Bella Donna in a dream....where she saw a bright vertical white line, against a dark background. She realized the bright light was herself, coming in out of the darkness. She talks about this in her Rolling Stone interview, the issue where she is on the cover with the bird.

Then again, she probably stole this dream from someone else, too. :shrug:

I realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinions (which is exactly why I feel comfortable here expressing my own)....but, gosh, why all the unnecessary cruelty?

Anyway, that being said, I still like all of you. :p

[darklinensuit]

Such loving, loyal fans. No wonder the woman is still touring....all these sucker fans will gladly pay to see her perform the same songs 20 years running....even if they don't buy her records. Why go into the studio when your hardcore fans do nothing but complain about your songs, your writings, accuse you of stealing lyrics, and bitch that your album covers are shoddy, cheap and a rip off of someone else's idea. For the record, Stevie says that she concieved the cover of Bella Donna in a dream....where she saw a bright vertical white line, against a dark background. She realized the bright light was herself, coming in out of the darkness. She talks about this in her Rolling Stone interview, the issue where she is on the cover with the bird.

I love the cover of that issue.

- Jake

[KarmaContestant]

I love the cover of that issue.

- Jake

:xoxo: Me too.

[catinthedark]

I don't like it, either - but I don't like Stevie's hair on it, or something. I don't like the bird, either, but....
I DO like Nixxed's bird. A lot. Makes me laugh every time.

I've nothing to add about the Bella Donna cover. I just think Amber is the cutest damned little photogenic kid EVAH!!!

On edit: I tried to copy it over. Didn't work. But you've all seen it...

[KarmaContestant]

I've always wondered how the hardcore fans can hate so much about the artists they love. It always amused me that everyone at the ledge seemed to hate so very much about Fleetwood Mac.

Well, it is said that you can only truly hate someone that you once loved...

[David]

I've always wondered how the hardcore fans can hate so much about the artists they love.would you mind lending me your copy of "Principles of Fanaticism" with its chapter on the proper ratio of love to hate? I seem to have misplaced mine.
It always amused me that everyone at the ledge seemed to hate so very much about Fleetwood Mac.Does it amuse you? That's nice. All is not lost, then.

[LilyRose]

For the record I never said I hated anything. Hate is a strong word. I just said I don't particularly care for the album covers...they're just not my taste. It doesn't make me dislike Stevie herself or her songs. Criticism doesn't equal hate.

Susie

[KarmaContestant]

I seem to have offended people anyway.


Nah. No one here seems to truly be offended, that easily. :laugh:

[GypsyNomad]

Such loving, loyal fans. No wonder the woman is still touring....all these sucker fans will gladly pay to see her perform the same songs 20 years running....even if they don't buy her records. Why go into the studio when your hardcore fans do nothing but complain about your songs, your writings, accuse you of stealing lyrics, and bitch that your album covers are shoddy, cheap and a rip off of someone else's idea. For the record, Stevie says that she concieved the cover of Bella Donna in a dream....where she saw a bright vertical white line, against a dark background. She realized the bright light was herself, coming in out of the darkness. She talks about this in her Rolling Stone interview, the issue where she is on the cover with the bird.

Then again, she probably stole this dream from someone else, too. :shrug:

I realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinions (which is exactly why I feel comfortable here expressing my own)....but, gosh, why all the unnecessary cruelty?

Anyway, that being said, I still like all of you. :p


I totally agree with you. I myself could not believe what was posted earlier... all of those quotes are very similar to her lyrics, hell maybe she intentionaly did use some of the lines from those books and poems because she loved them so much... but she didn't steal anything! Stuff like this happens all of the time with musicans, writers, animators, and visual artists in general. But its all done subconsciously and we don't realize it at first. I go to art school in NY, we learned about this.... I myself was told that I draw and write like certain people (Burton, Gorey, Syndack), but that doesn't mean I am stealing their particular style or idea.... Stevie obviously read thier works over the course of many years, maybe starting in her teens, and was probably just inspired, these were her teachers, people she aspired to write like. Did you know that apprentices of master artists paint or draw almost like their teachers? Most of those song were never released anyway, she probably wrote them for herself and has never made a dime from them. And look at the vast majority of songs she hasn't been accused of "stealing"..... 'Rhiannon', for one is a Masterpiece! I don't mean to rant, but this really annoyed the hell out of me.... Of course everyone has a write to speak their minds, but if you have to go dig up so much unnecessary dirt one someone you love and admire so much just to make them look like a rotten thief, then why are you wasting your time listening to her music in the first place? I will always think Stevie is wonderful and talented no matter what :angel: :) :thumbsup:

~Carei

[David]

I totally agree with you. I myself could not believe what was posted earlier... all of those quotes are very similar to her lyrics, hell maybe she intentionaly did use some of the lines from those books and poems because she loved them so much... but she didn't steal anything!Where do you live? I'd like to borrow your car.
Stuff like this happens all of the time with musicans, writers, animators, and visual artists in general.It's been happening a lot lately at various newspapers around the country. But newspapers tend to deal pretty harshly with plagiarism, & most of those responsible for "borrowing" are now asking customers, "Would you like fries with that?"

[sparky]

It's the boots It's the boots It's the boots.

And the bird And the bird And the bird.

http://users4.ev1.net/~iansnana/rockycloseup2.jpg

I love that picture.
Makes me miss my cockatoo Wilbur that nobody's business. :distress:

[GypsyNomad]

It's been happening a lot lately at various newspapers around the country. But newspapers tend to deal pretty harshly with plagiarism, & most of those responsible for "borrowing" are now asking customers, "Would you like fries with that?"


I'm not saying it's right to plagiarize by any means.... but a few lines, or even the subject of the song that is similar to others is nothing to point fingers at... St. Cecilia was the parton saint of music, Rhiannon and Melacine are well known mythological characters from thousands of years ago, no one owns them or their stories. I guess no one can relate to what I'm talking about. Hundreds of artists have copied the scene from 'The Last Supper', many of these copying from fellow painters, but Stevie writes one song about St. Cecilia, Rhiannon, characters from various novels, etc... and its some big deal? I did a children's book for my thesis based on Tim Burton's 'The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy and other Stories'. My characters, poems, and subject was were completely my own, but the idea, format, & inspiration was from him. Hell, I even dedicated the book to the guy AND Stevie, whose songs also inspired me to write those poems. I hope I'm not pissing anyone off, I never meant to ;)

One of my teachers once said, "no idea is EVER original, everything we create comes from what we know or dream. Everything is created from something else we've seen, on the street, or in nature. But they way you transform your idea IS you own. Like life, ART is a cycle."

~Carei

[Johnny Stew]

I totally agree with you. I myself could not believe what was posted earlier... all of those quotes are very similar to her lyrics, hell maybe she intentionaly did use some of the lines from those books and poems because she loved them so much... Stevie has been pretty honest in the past about her literary influences. She has said that she'll sit down with one of her favorite books... something by Wilde or Poe and so on... and just randomly skip to a chapter, read a little of it, and then let it "filter through her" into the lyrics she writes.

There's actually an organization that commends contemporary songwriters for the use of literary references in their music. I can't find the link for it at the moment, but I'll post it when I do.
In the meantime, here's an extensive (though not complete) list of songs... hugely famous and completely obscure... that feature literary references:
http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.3800

[darklinensuit]

Stevie has been pretty honest in the past about her literary influences. She has said that she'll sit down with one of her favorite books... something by Wilde or Poe and so on... and just randomly skip to a chapter, read a little of it, and then let it "filter through her" into the lyrics she writes.

There's actually an organization that commends contemporary songwriters for the use of literary references in their music. I can't find the link for it at the moment, but I'll post it when I do.
In the meantime, here's an extensive (though not complete) list of songs... hugely famous and completey obscure... that feature literary references:
http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.3800

I commend them as well.
I never would have read that Hawthorne short story five years ago had I not loved the RTTg demo. I did not care for Hawthorne back when I was in school, and if not for Stevie's interest in him, I'd have avoided him, I imagine.
(That having been said, I haven't read him again since reading the story. :) )

- Jake

[Johnny Stew]

I found my bookmark for the organization I mentioned....

Artists For Literacy (http://www.artistsforliteracy.org/).

[trackaghost]

It's a brilliant cover- sexy but feminine, girly but rawk chick. And the beaded hair flaps (or whatever the heck you call those) were quite sexy. I used to draw pictures of the cover as a kid... I found it challenging to capture that facial expression as well as all of the folds of her dress.

Only much later did I realize that it was a direct rip-off of the cover of Cher's "Dark Lady" album. Even the calligraphy was similar!:

http://www.musicfan.ru/img/cher/chercd11.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000257BZ.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg


Hmmm, I think Stevie's cover is way better.

I also think Bella Donna may have been inspired by Patti Smith's 1979 album Wave.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000002VQS.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[darklinensuit]

Hmmm, I think Stevie's cover is way better.

I also think Bella Donna may have been inspired by Patti Smith's 1979 album Wave.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000002VQS.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

And Patti Smith looks like she was inspired by The Ring. :)

- Jake

[Johnny Stew]

I also think Bella Donna may have been inspired by Patti Smith's 1979 album Wave.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000002VQS.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpgLet's not forget Fleetwood Mac's 'Pious Bird Of Good Omen'....

http://www.music.tet.pl/peter_green/cover/_pious_bird.jpg

Of course, Stevie has been on the opposite end of imitation....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JO6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002ANX.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[gldstwmn]

It's a brilliant cover- sexy but feminine, girly but rawk chick. And the beaded hair flaps (or whatever the heck you call those) were quite sexy. I used to draw pictures of the cover as a kid... I found it challenging to capture that facial expression as well as all of the folds of her dress.

Only much later did I realize that it was a direct rip-off of the cover of Cher's "Dark Lady" album. Even the calligraphy was similar!:

http://www.musicfan.ru/img/cher/chercd11.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000257BZ.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

That Cher cover is fab. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

what does that have to do with the price of peanuts?

her ass went along with it.


How does Jesus feel about your potty mouth?

[trackaghost]

How does Jesus feel about yor potty mouth?

:lol: :lol:

[darklinensuit]

How does Jesus feel about yor potty mouth?

What potty mouth? Doesn't it clearly say that Jesus's ass went right along with him into Jerusalem? Can't remember if that's a direct quote. ;)

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

What potty mouth? Doesn't it clearly say that Jesus's ass went right along with him into Jerusalem? Can't remember if that's a direct quote. ;)

- Jake


I though Jesus rode ass in Jerusalem :eek:


oops I meant into Jerusalem :cool:

[sparky]

Let's not forget Fleetwood Mac's 'Pious Bird Of Good Omen'....

http://www.music.tet.pl/peter_green/cover/_pious_bird.jpg

Of course, Stevie has been on the opposite end of imitation....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JO6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002ANX.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Thank GOD I haven't eaten my lunch yet.

[gldstwmn]

I though Jesus rode ass in Jerusalem :eek:


oops I meant into Jerusalem :cool:

I found your original interpretation more amusing. :)

[Johnny Stew]

Thank GOD I haven't eaten my lunch yet.Yeah, it's not the most flattering pics of Babs, is it? :eek:

At least I think that's what you meant!

[darklinensuit]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Thank GOD I haven't eaten my lunch yet.

Did you miss their other collaborations?

"Lindsey can you hear me? Lindsey can you see me?"

"Love is...soft as an easy chair..." :lol:

- Jake

[glitter_fades]

:thumbsup: Did you miss their other collaborations?

"Lindsey can you hear me? Lindsey can you see me?"

"Love is...soft as an easy chair..." :lol:

- Jake

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[KarmaContestant]

That Cher cover is fab. :thumbsup:

It really is, truly. It would make a great framed print in my living room.

[Dreammms]

And Patti Smith looks like she was inspired by The Ring. :)

- Jake

OMG :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dreammms]

That Cher cover is fab. :thumbsup:


i agree. she looks so hot.

[rbs3676]

i agree. she looks so hot.

I always loved the fact that the Dark Lady cover was so eerily like Bella Donna. The one and only TRUE megastar, Cherilyn Sarkisian LaPiere Bono Allman Just Plain Cher has always been one of Stevie's favorite icons...

However, I do believe the "dream" concept Stevie had for the cover. She had her visions, as she always does...

And the hairdo - from Paris, according to the liner notes - was THE **** that summer of '81. I remember...

rbs

[gldstwmn]

"Love is...soft as an easy chair..." :lol:
- Jake

Oh. There goes my dinner. :lol:

[diamondsnake]

I always loved the fact that the Dark Lady cover was so eerily like Bella Donna. The one and only TRUE megastar, Cherilyn Sarkisian LaPiere Bono Allman Just Plain Cher has always been one of Stevie's favorite icons...

However, I do believe the "dream" concept Stevie had for the cover. She had her visions, as she always does...

And the hairdo - from Paris, according to the liner notes - was THE **** that summer of '81. I remember...

rbs
Does Stevie really like Cher? I always found it odd that they never seemed to interact on the VH1 Diva special. I didn't know if they were avoiding each other beause towards the end they are standing near each other and don't approach or something. It has been so long since I watched it but I know something seemed fishy to me...

[strandinthewind]

Does Stevie really like Cher? I always found it odd that they never seemed to interact on the VH1 Diva special. I didn't know if they were avoiding each other beause towards the end they are standing near each other and don't approach or something. It has been so long since I watched it but I know something seemed fishy to me...

from the divas special:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/strandinthewind/stevieandcher.jpg

[rbs3676]

Does Stevie really like Cher? I always found it odd that they never seemed to interact on the VH1 Diva special. I didn't know if they were avoiding each other beause towards the end they are standing near each other and don't approach or something. It has been so long since I watched it but I know something seemed fishy to me...


There was an interview (SA era, I believe) where Stevie and entourage where watching videos and everyone commented how great CHER looked.
And, of course, the DIVA photos. If I remember correctly, Stevie was front row for the BELIEVE tour stop in Phoenix.

rbs

[GypsyNomad]

Stevie has been pretty honest in the past about her literary influences. She has said that she'll sit down with one of her favorite books... something by Wilde or Poe and so on... and just randomly skip to a chapter, read a little of it, and then let it "filter through her" into the lyrics she writes.

There's actually an organization that commends contemporary songwriters for the use of literary references in their music. I can't find the link for it at the moment, but I'll post it when I do.
In the meantime, here's an extensive (though not complete) list of songs... hugely famous and completely obscure... that feature literary references:
http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.3800

Thanks for the link :) ..... I never knew so many other songwriters used literary references like Stevie, though I was aware that Patti Smith and Bob Dylan did..... I guess it goes to show you that its not such a terrible thing after all. I'm sure if those writers and poets knew that their works were being translated into song, reaching people who wouldn't have come across the original works in the first place, they would be very happy :nod:

~Carei

[Mokona]

I think it's great she used literary references. In high school, Poe was a dreaded part of my schoolwork. After I read someplace that Stevie's music was partly inspired by Poe, it made me run to the bookstore and get a book of his works to read. It's pretty good stuff when you get into it.

She's not perfect; she has her faults just like anyone else, but she is a talented lady and no one can take that away from her. Look around at what this generation has to listen to: J. Lo, Jessica Simpson, Britney, Madonna's "soy latte" rap crap http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/tmb1975/vomit-smiley-020.gif and the bevy of other "artists" out there who have their music written for them. Yeah, there's a few good bands and solo acts out there, but not nearly as many as in the 70s and even 80s.

I have to say that although I developed a thick skin dealing with conflicts on other forums, it stings to see Stevie criticized as much as she is. I know she's not a perfect being, but for a woman who's old enough to be my mom and out there doing high-kicks and rocking out, it makes me respect her quite a bit.

Just my .02. Nobody shoot spitballs at me!

PS...The BD cover is nice, but my two all-time favorite covers are Street Angel and TISL.

[diamondsnake]

Madonna's "soy latte" rap crap http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/tmb1975/vomit-smiley-020.gif

Hey! I love that song! :mad: :laugh:

[diamondsnake]

from the divas special:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/strandinthewind/stevieandcher.jpg
They look like best buds! Thanks for the pic!

[GypsyNomad]

I think it's great she used literary references. In high school, Poe was a dreaded part of my schoolwork. After I read someplace that Stevie's music was partly inspired by Poe, it made me run to the bookstore and get a book of his works to read. It's pretty good stuff when you get into it.

She's not perfect; she has her faults just like anyone else, but she is a talented lady and no one can take that away from her. Look around at what this generation has to listen to: J. Lo, Jessica Simpson, Britney, Madonna's "soy latte" rap crap http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/tmb1975/vomit-smiley-020.gif and the bevy of other "artists" out there who have their music written for them. Yeah, there's a few good bands and solo acts out there, but not nearly as many as in the 70s and even 80s.

I have to say that although I developed a thick skin dealing with conflicts on other forums, it stings to see Stevie criticized as much as she is. I know she's not a perfect being, but for a woman who's old enough to be my mom and out there doing high-kicks and rocking out, it makes me respect her quite a bit.

Just my .02. Nobody shoot spitballs at me!

PS...The BD cover is nice, but my two all-time favorite covers are Street Angel and TISL.


Finally! Someone gets it in every way! :]

No spitballs for Mokona tonight! :laugh:

I'd ramble some more, but I'm afraid I talked everyone's ear off :p

~Carei

[Livia]

I love that vomit-smiley! Right click, save as...we're always asking for the barf emoticon!

[Mokona]

LOL, Diamondsnake. I used to be a big Madonna fan up until American Life. Music was OK - only 3 songs on there stuck in my head, but it wasn't bad. I couldn't get into AL though. Not to be corny, but once I really got into FM and Stevie, it seemed like most other music acts kind of took a backseat for me. They felt shallow or something. :shrug:

Anyhow, I will admit to buying Gwen Stefani's Love Angel Music Baby and dancing around like a maniac to it, LOL. Not to mention I'm really dying to get the Harajuku Lovers HP camera... :p

[diamondsnake]

LOL, Diamondsnake. I used to be a big Madonna fan up until American Life. Music was OK - only 3 songs on there stuck in my head, but it wasn't bad. I couldn't get into AL though. Not to be corny, but once I really got into FM and Stevie, it seemed like most other music acts kind of took a backseat for me. They felt shallow or something. :shrug:

Anyhow, I will admit to buying Gwen Stefani's Love Angel Music Baby and dancing around like a maniac to it, LOL. Not to mention I'm really dying to get the Harajuku Lovers HP camera... :p
Same with me. I used to be a much bigger Madonna fan and a much bigger fan of pop music in general. Then I discovered Fleetwood Mac and they became my sole music obsession. I listen to primarily Stevie/Mac now and go to only Stevie/Mac concerts now... It is an obsession!

[StreetAngel86]

I've always wondered how the hardcore fans can hate so much about the artists they love. It always amused me that everyone at the ledge seemed to hate so very much about Fleetwood Mac.

I completely agree
but i think if you know everyone here love Stevie/Mac then it's ooright to bitch as they do. Like everyone here knows they're a fan, so it's all out of love. But some ppl do go a bit far and I wonder if they're fans. But it's ooright to be critical as many ppl here are, coz there's lots of love (i hope :nod: )

personally Rock A Little is my favorite album cover followed by TOSOTM and Street Angel. But I've always liked the Bella Donna cover, I want that "S" as a tattoo. I think i would prefer it if Stevieness had straight hair :] but i like the outfit

[darklinensuit]

I completely agree
but i think if you know everyone here love Stevie/Mac then it's ooright to bitch as they do. Like everyone here knows they're a fan, so it's all out of love. But some ppl do go a bit far and I wonder if they're fans. But it's ooright to be critical as many ppl here are, coz there's lots of love (i hope :nod: )

personally Rock A Little is my favorite album cover followed by TOSOTM and Street Angel. But I've always liked the Bella Donna cover, I want that "S" as a tattoo. I think i would prefer it if Stevieness had straight hair :] but i like the outfit

Finally somebody else likes the RAL cover.

Here are my rankings:

1) RAL - I explained in an earlier post in this thread.
2) TimeSpace - Stevie in her mystery. Ah, I miss those days when she stuck tablecloths on her head.
3) Bella Donna - regal but dated
4) TISL - I like it - but I miss those brown eyes, and sorry, but I think her butt looks like it spans London to Paris Paris to Rome in the dress.
5) The Wild Heart The Stevie with her wrists crossed looks good, the profile Stevie looks okay, and the downcast one looks like she needs Botox or something. The smile lines and all. Sorry. :shrug:
6) TOSOTM - The eyes are too deepset, the hair looks like an Afghan Hound in a windstorm, and the protruding mouth looks like it's super-imposed off an old Colorforms children's set, or like her teeth are too big to fit behind her lips - Think Pat Benatar.
7) Street Angel - It's growing on me, but blech to the weak pose and expression. I don't mind Stevie being vulnerable in her lyrics, but I don't want her looking so fragile and broken in photos.

- Jake

[StreetAngel86]

Let's not forget Fleetwood Mac's 'Pious Bird Of Good Omen'....

http://www.music.tet.pl/peter_green/cover/_pious_bird.jpg

Of course, Stevie has been on the opposite end of imitation....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JO6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002ANX.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

AAAAAAAAAh are YOU dissing La Streisand :eek:
besides Bette, if Stevieness doesn't want to take up the position of God, then its reserved for Barbra :nod: in my little world anyway. I never noticed the imitation....but then i don't really like that Higher Ground CD but Stevie needs to sing You'll Never Walk Alone YeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[StreetAngel86]

Finally somebody else likes the RAL cover.

Here are my rankings:

1) RAL - I explained in an earlier post in this thread.

7) Street Angel - It's growing on me, but blech to the weak pose and expression. I don't mind Stevie being vulnerable in her lyrics, but I don't want her looking so fragile and broken in photos.

- Jake


RAL rocks coz Stevie is a hot bitch in that pic. i love the outfit. and it's so plain that it's prominent. i have a black and white obsession too, but that's beside the point.....she's about to TWIRL lol

I *love* SA too, but prefer the pic on back. I love that it's a "pink" cover :lol: and they all blend together. however, if Stevie had used one of the shots from the promo shoot she did.............you know the one they used on the poster where she's got her hair up in long ringlets gaaaaah that's my favorite photo shoot EVER!

[LiquidBlue5000]

Finally somebody else likes the RAL cover.

Here are my rankings:

1) RAL - I explained in an earlier post in this thread.
2) TimeSpace - Stevie in her mystery. Ah, I miss those days when she stuck tablecloths on her head.
3) Bella Donna - regal but dated
4) TISL - I like it - but I miss those brown eyes, and sorry, but I think her butt looks like it spans London to Paris Paris to Rome in the dress.
5) The Wild Heart The Stevie with her wrists crossed looks good, the profile Stevie looks okay, and the downcast one looks like she needs Botox or something. The smile lines and all. Sorry. :shrug:
6) TOSOTM - The eyes are too deepset, the hair looks like an Afghan Hound in a windstorm, and the protruding mouth looks like it's super-imposed off an old Colorforms children's set, or like her teeth are too big to fit behind her lips - Think Pat Benatar.
7) Street Angel - It's growing on me, but blech to the weak pose and expression. I don't mind Stevie being vulnerable in her lyrics, but I don't want her looking so fragile and broken in photos.

- Jake


1. The Other Side Of The Mirror
2. Trouble In Shangri-La
3. Rock A Little
4. Timespace
5. The Wild Heart
6. Bella Donna
7. Street Angel

:nod:

[Kelly]

The Belladonna cover looks so dated to me now and I never thought it really looked like Stevie. I like the outfit and boots so much though that it makes up for the fact that the face really does not look like La Nicks.

TISL is my favorite cover but I would have preferred that outtake photo we had a thread about awhile back with the arch...
Wild Heart
Belladonna
Street Angel
RaL
Timespace
OSOTM...I hate this cover. Stevie is standing in such a strange position..she looks constipated. The hair is ghastly too but the dress is gorgeous.

[darklinensuit]

but that's beside the point.....she's about to TWIRL lol

I think she is twirling. Why else would the bottom of her dress be sticking out like that?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

you know the one they used on the poster where she's got her hair up in long ringlets gaaaaah that's my favorite photo shoot EVER!

I have one of those photos framed.
It's not my all-time favorite photo, but it's much better than the wimpy cover photo.

- Jake

[ontheEdgeof17]

My Rankings:

1. OSOTM
2. Street Angel
3. Rock A Little
4. TISL
5. The Divine Stevie Nicks
6. Timespace
7. Bella Donna
8. Enchanted
9. The Wild Heart

[LiquidBlue5000]

My Rankings:

1. OSOTM
2. Street Angel
3. Rock A Little
4. TISL
5. The Divine Stevie Nicks
6. Timespace
7. Bella Donna
8. Enchanted
9. The Wild Heart


that doesn't count ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

that doesn't count ;)

:lol:

It's released Stevie material.

[StreetAngel86]

I think she is twirling. Why else would the bottom of her dress be sticking out like that?

- Jake


ya i think that's the point
but i always thought she had like a hoop or something helping it STAY lol invisible wires :lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

OSOTM...I hate this cover. Stevie is standing in such a strange position..she looks constipated. The hair is ghastly too but the dress is gorgeous.

one thing I must point out is that Stevie seems to have gotten the long colored extensions look way before anyone else...props

[LiquidBlue5000]

one thing I must point out is that Stevie seems to have gotten the long colored extensions look way before anyone else...props

yup.. i think they started back in 1987 during Tango... just waaaayyy too much hair on that head for it to be all natural ;)

[equeen102289]

I, for one, love the Bella Donna cover. It's probably my favorite next to TISL. I don't think she looks freaky at all. And I think it looks a lot like her...or atleast what she looked like at that time. I love the dress, the hair, everything. I especially love the design of the letters (whatever that's called).

[JazmenFlowers]

I, for one, love the Bella Donna cover. It's probably my favorite next to TISL. I don't think she looks freaky at all. And I think it looks a lot like her...or atleast what she looked like at that time. I love the dress, the hair, everything. I especially love the design of the letters (whatever that's called).

me too - something about Stevie's face looks weird to me, but then again, she never really looks the same in any of her pictures. I think the Bella Donna cover is so cool b/c of all the symbolism in it and I love love love the outfit and the bird and the boots and all of it. If there was a picture to hand someone to sum up Stevie's look, wouldn't that be the one?

[StreetAngel86]

one thing I must point out is that Stevie seems to have gotten the long colored extensions look way before anyone else...props

colored hair extensions, platform sneakers.............I think she had some crystal visions :lol:

someone posted one of those TOSOTM pics when she's standing up swaying......and it was purple. did someone photo shop that? because i LOVE the purple streaks in her hair lol

[svnwndrs]

I have one of those photos framed.
It's not my all-time favorite photo, but it's much better than the wimpy cover photo.

- Jake

:] AHH!!! This is so funny because when I got the original 1993 mix of the whole SA album, the whole album sounds a little different than the original, so I decided it needed a jewel case for me to keep it in. That's fine, cuz I have a few empty jewel cases, and I have some software to make cd covers (the front and the back). SO I actually used one of the pictures from that very same photo shoot for the cover and did the lettering myself. I also did the back, but I used the photo from the SA pin that was sold during the tour (look for this on the "Street Angel Collectibles" thread) and the whole thing looks awesome. Ok. Just had to get that out.

My sister was looking through my CD's and goes "Did you make the case for this? It looks cool!" And my friend was over and saw the CD cover and was like "She is so hot."

Stevie looked awesome in those pictures from the photo shoot! She looks so young.

[svnwndrs]

one thing I must point out is that Stevie seems to have gotten the long colored extensions look way before anyone else...props

Yes, props to Stevie! I always thought those colored extensions looked so cool. They were pretty original when she started wearing them.