What's up with the ticket sales?? [Archive]

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 03:02 AM

henryscutter

06-27-2005, 03:18 AM

Ok, so i keep hearing about how the first two "Gold Dust" shows didn't sell well... That there were literally empty sections all over the place in both Cleveland and Grand Rapids... are people losing interest in seeing Stevie play live?? :shrug:

The "Two Voices" shows sold very well (with the exception of Mansfield where they were literally giving away tickets for free to fill up the venue)... but perhaps most of those sales or at least half of those sales were from Don/Eagles fans?? Maybe because she is not promoting a thing on this tour, people aren't interested in going to see her? :confused:
two words ... TICKET PRICES :shocked: The best seats for cleveland were $125.00 Im sure a lot more people would go if tix were affordable

estranged4life

06-27-2005, 03:30 AM

Ok, so i keep hearing about how the first two "Gold Dust" shows didn't sell well... That there were literally empty sections all over the place in both Cleveland and Grand Rapids... are people losing interest in seeing Stevie play live?? :shrug:

The "Two Voices" shows sold very well (with the exception of Mansfield where they were literally giving away tickets for free to fill up the venue)... but perhaps most of those sales or at least half of those sales were from Don/Eagles fans?? Maybe because she is not promoting a thing on this tour, people aren't interested in going to see her? :confused:

pricey tickets it could very well be that most people do not like to attend a concert unless an artist is on tour to promote a new studio release/project.....Cause otherwise you get tagged with the dreaded "Nostalgic Act" label, Which can sometimes be the kiss of death for a tour.

thepoetinmyhear

06-27-2005, 03:34 AM

Yeah, actually I'm sure it's the prices. Stevie's most expensive shows for me before were about $85 (that was TISL in Boston if I recall). Now she has raised that another $45 dollars, more than 50% which is a bit much if she's not promoting something and thus has little to no press.

BombaySapphire3

06-27-2005, 04:45 AM

Like I've been trying to say all along I think in general it is a mistake to tour with nothing to promote and having just saturated the market with a 2 year Fleetwood Mac tour.If she wanted to do this smaller venues of maybe 5,000 -7,000 seats would have been a good idea and with lower ticket prices.I even know some die hard fans who are sitting this one out which is not a good sign.I did not plan on going myself but with all the good reviews and the covers I 'll probably go if some really good seats come up for Concord before the show.She really does look great in the pictures posted on here and she seems to be having a good time unlike on TISL and alot of the SYW shows too.But if some of the people I would consider die hards that have not missed a tour in decades are not going this tiime out it does not bode well for ticket sales.

wheart

06-27-2005, 06:41 AM

Ok, so i keep hearing about how the first two "Gold Dust" shows didn't sell well... That there were literally empty sections all over the place in both Cleveland and Grand Rapids... are people losing interest in seeing Stevie play live?? :shrug:

The "Two Voices" shows sold very well (with the exception of Mansfield where they were literally giving away tickets for free to fill up the venue)... but perhaps most of those sales or at least half of those sales were from Don/Eagles fans?? Maybe because she is not promoting a thing on this tour, people aren't interested in going to see her? :confused:

Personally, I think she's touring too close to the SYW tour. That was a very long tour and they hit a lot of cities twice. I think a lot of people figured they've already seen her recently, perhaps, twice in two years. Plus ticket prices don't help. Maybe if Stevie had put out a new solo album and then toured in maybe a year, the response would have been better.

blinker12

06-27-2005, 08:08 AM

Livia

06-27-2005, 09:10 AM

All good points....

Also, summer is concert season - most people can only afford to attend a few shows at the most-especially if they have to travel. If I was a modest Stevie fan, I'd opt for seeing someone I've never seen before. But that's just me. :shrug:

StevieRox2

06-27-2005, 09:17 AM

Mokona

06-27-2005, 10:08 AM

I haven't been to many concerts at all, but I remember paying $70 for a third or fourth row seat to a YANNI :shocked: concert back in 1997!! So when Stevie's tix were priced at $85-$125 at the Cleveland show, it honestly didn't seem that expensive. How much were the tickets at TISL? I'm curious to see how much more these were.

It probably would've been better if she had an album to promote or took a year off after SYW, but selfishly I'm glad she didn't. :lol:

DavidMn

06-27-2005, 10:21 AM

Ok, so i keep hearing about how the first two "Gold Dust" shows didn't sell well... That there were literally empty sections all over the place in both Cleveland and Grand Rapids... are people losing interest in seeing Stevie play live?? :shrug:

The "Two Voices" shows sold very well (with the exception of Mansfield where they were literally giving away tickets for free to fill up the venue)... but perhaps most of those sales or at least half of those sales were from Don/Eagles fans?? Maybe because she is not promoting a thing on this tour, people aren't interested in going to see her? :confused:
You hit the nail on the head about the lack of a new album in my opinion. I'm always glad when she or Fleetwood Mac goes out on the road, but I REALLY don't want it to disintigrate into an Eagles thing where all they do is tour with the same material. I think Fleetwood Mac and Stevie have earned a measure of integrity by not doing that.

DavidMn

06-27-2005, 10:24 AM

Yep, a combination of market saturation and ticket prices. She played Cleveland, for example, in 2001, 2003 and 2004 (with Fleetwood Mac and solo). I like BombaySapphire3's idea of doing smaller venues (e.g. House of Blues-type places) -- that would have been a great idea. Then I think she could have gotten away with these high ticket prices.
Honestly, I don't think people are willing to pay as much to see Stevie solo as with Fleetwood Mac, and these prices are just as high as SYW.
Right on with that last sentence. I almost SH## when I saw the CLeveland prices. I know Stevie herself probabl doesnt have much to do with pricing, but whichever one of her "People" did should get his or her ass canned on the spot

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 10:34 AM

Not only that - but she is not playing anything but her same old set list, with the exception of Circle Dance and Rock and Roll. I think many people are loathe to shell out beaucoup bucks to see essentially the same songs or, to put it another way, pay $100 to see her do two covers.

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:52 AM

diamondsnake

06-27-2005, 11:41 AM

She has done like 200 dates in the last couple of years and most people have already seen her at least once on tour recently. I am even considering not seeing this show just because my bank account is drained from the Vegas and SYW shows. She is doing two Florida dates. Under normal circumstances, I would go to both shows. But if I can't get great seats, I will pass because it is pretty much the same setlist as Vegas...

So, for me at least, the reason is hight ticket prices for crappy seats. I'm not going if I have to sit out on the lawn! I've been checking ticket master daily and I have not seen any Floor seats for the shows I want to go to. So it just isn't worth it unless I can get some decent seats.

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 11:53 AM

I also think these will be more isolated incidents, rather than a whole tour...There were quite a few trouble spots on the "Trouble in Shangri La Tour" in terms of ticket sales, even with a brand new album out, tv specials, and the whole thing. Her Cincinatti, Bristow, Raleigh, and Virginia Beach shows had very low sales in 2001..and most markets were not sold out...

I think as she starts to move out to the west coast the sales will pick up a lot too

Chris

diamondsnake

06-27-2005, 11:59 AM

If all of these shows are selling poorly, why doesn't she do smaller venues like Caesar's Palace, House of Blues, etc? She could even do intimate clubs. At least that way, her shows would "sell out" even if that only meant 3,000 tickets were sold.

AliceLover

06-27-2005, 12:27 PM

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 12:31 PM

It really would not matter what "rarities" she pulled out, some would complain. If she started doing "Alice" I would be complaining, if she started doing "Storms" you would probably complain Jimmy..

sparky

06-27-2005, 12:34 PM

I consider myself a diehard fan. I am not going to these shows because of the set list. I saw the henley/nicks show in MA and that was enough. Shes had the same set for seven years. This set list is very disappointing. Woo hoo two covers, why do covers when she has so many gems she could pull out on her own.

ehhhh, she needs to do more rarities.

It has been so unchanging, and we all have seen her so damned many times that two new songs is miraculous. Of course, other artists are more adventurous...but for Stevie 2 new songs is a big deal ! Far better than a stick in the eye and more than I was expecting. I may even go now.

dissention

06-27-2005, 12:38 PM

It has been so unchanging, and we all have seen her so damned many times that two new songs is miraculous. Of course, other artists are more adventurous...but for Stevie 2 new songs is a big deal ! Far better than a stick in the eye and more than I was expecting. I may even go now.

Of course it's a big deal, but worth the cash it most certainly ****ing isn't. But you don't pay, anyway, so have fun. :laugh: :xoxo:

dissention

06-27-2005, 12:39 PM

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 12:40 PM

Of course it's a big deal, but worth the cash it most certainly ****ing isn't. But you don't pay, anyway, so have fun. :laugh: :xoxo:

Depends on how you determine worth...it might not be worth it to you, but it is plenty worth it to me. I wouldn't pay the money if I didn't feel it was worth the money. I don't go just because I like to support Stevie's bank account. I feel I'm getting every bit of my money's worth

Chris

dissention

06-27-2005, 12:41 PM

It really would not matter what "rarities" she pulled out, some would complain. If she started doing "Alice" I would be complaining, if she started doing "Storms" you would probably complain Jimmy..

You know, I was thinking this morning about what Stevie said awhile back about her not thinking a lot of her songs for many years were "memorable." I wonder if that's why she sticks to the same old tired ****, because she doesn't care to really perform a great deal of her material from '86-'94 that she finds sub-par.

dissention

06-27-2005, 12:50 PM

Depends on how you determine worth...it might not be worth it to you, but it is plenty worth it to me. I wouldn't pay the money if I didn't feel it was worth the money. I don't go just because I like to support Stevie's bank account. I feel I'm getting every bit of my money's worth

Chris

I'm glad you think so and I hope you enjoy the show(s). Personally, I'm far too frugal and tight to spend all that money just to hear two "new" songs, and even if I wasn't and did spend all that steak, I'd still feel as if I was throwing my money away. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 12:52 PM

I'm glad you think so and I hope you enjoy the show(s). Personally, I'm far too frugal and tight to spend all that money just to hear two "new" songs, and even if I wasn't and did spend all that steak, I'd still feel as if I was throwing my money away. :laugh:

that is because you are never happy and hate everything :eek: :p :p :p

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 12:52 PM

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 12:54 PM

I don't understand how you can consider yourself to be a die-hard fan and skip an entire tour. Even if she played the same 10 songs over and over I would never miss an opportunity to see her live and be in her presence for even just a few hours. There is nothing like the feeling of having Stevie sing for me, it's like a high. Sure I'd like to see her mix it up a bit but hearing that voice is so special to me, beyond words. She's not going to be around forever. Ok maybe money is an issue but I make sacrifices for the love of Stevie my God!!

I dont even think Dissention would consider himself "DIE HARD" lol

Chris

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 12:56 PM

I dont even think Dissention would consider himself "DIE HARD" lol

Chris

Of course not, he's only a "die hard" Debbie fan ;)

dissention

06-27-2005, 01:02 PM

I dont even think Dissention would consider himself "DIE HARD" lol

Chris

I'd call myself a die hard fan of her pre-1986 stuff. Everything after that is very spotty. ;)

dissention

06-27-2005, 01:06 PM

I don't understand how you can consider yourself to be a die-hard fan and skip an entire tour. Even if she played the same 10 songs over and over I would never miss an opportunity to see her live and be in her presence for even just a few hours. There is nothing like the feeling of having Stevie sing for me, it's like a high. Sure I'd like to see her mix it up a bit but hearing that voice is so special to me, beyond words. She's not going to be around forever. Ok maybe money is an issue but I make sacrifices for the love of Stevie my God!!

How can I skip an entire tour? Easy. I don't want to waste my money. I've experienced her presence many times over and she sang the same songs, I'm not missing anything. Her twirls don't make me spray my shorts and instead of seeing her sing Rhiannon for the millionth time, I'll save my steak for if Lindsey ever does some solo shows.

sparky

06-27-2005, 01:08 PM

I'll save my steak for if Lindsey ever does some solo shows.

I would suggest you invest that money in some long term bonds. I suspect you'd be safe with something along the lines of 5 years :nod:

LikeAWillow

06-27-2005, 01:09 PM

I don't understand how you can consider yourself to be a die-hard fan and skip an entire tour. Even if she played the same 10 songs over and over I would never miss an opportunity to see her live and be in her presence for even just a few hours. There is nothing like the feeling of having Stevie sing for me, it's like a high. Sure I'd like to see her mix it up a bit but hearing that voice is so special to me, beyond words. She's not going to be around forever. Ok maybe money is an issue but I make sacrifices for the love of Stevie my God!!

My thoughts exactly :xoxo: , I only wish I had the money to go to more shows!

~Marissa~

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 01:17 PM

How can I skip an entire tour? Easy. I don't want to waste my money.

And that's where we differ - I could never see Stevie performing live as a waste of money, no matter what her state of being is or what songs she sings. Sure she wasn't in top performance mode for several of my SYW shows but it was still an amazing feeling to be in her presence. It's a treat to me no matter what and I know that a lot of people share your sentiment, I'm just not one of them.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 01:21 PM

And that's where we differ - I could never see Stevie performing live as a waste of money, no matter what her state of being is or what songs she sings. Sure she wasn't in top performance mode for several of my SYW shows but it was still an amazing feeling to be in her presence. It's a treat to me no matter what and I know that a lot of people share your sentiment, I'm just not one of them.

I agree and I would go if she came here. But, I probably will not fly across the country to see her on this leg because then it becomes do I want to spend probably $1,000 to hear her sing Rock and Roll - the song. That is a lot of money for one song good though it may be.

jannieC

06-27-2005, 01:22 PM

I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive her highest ticket price is $75 here in North Carolina. Anyway, I'm such a retard that I would go to see her play the same stuff over and over. Stevie could get up and fart onstage, and I'd go.

Hawkeye

06-27-2005, 01:26 PM

I'd call myself a die hard fan of her pre-1986 stuff. Everything after that is very spotty. ;)

well she doesnt perfrom anything after 86, so you should be very happy :laugh:

Hawkeye

06-27-2005, 01:28 PM

dudden22

06-27-2005, 01:28 PM

if she started doing "Storms" you would probably complain Jimmy..

I would pay $200 to see "Storms". I will never understand why she does not perform this song. It is a hell of lot better than "Enchanted or OTR"

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 01:30 PM

I agree and I would go if she came here. But, I probably will not fly across the country to see her on this leg because then it becomes do I want to spend probably $1,000 to hear her sing Rock and Roll - the song. That is a lot of money for one song good though it may be.

Now I can understand not wanting to fly somewhere and spend $1000 to see her but if she is anywhere near your city and you miss a tour that is unexcusable for a so called "die hard". You're off the hook, Jason :p

Stevie could get up and fart onstage, and I'd go.
And I'd be right next to you!!

rianbay1

06-27-2005, 01:40 PM

I don't understand how you can consider yourself to be a die-hard fan and skip an entire tour.

I agree. So far, these are the best shows I've ever seen her do. If that isn't enough for us "die hards", I don't know what would be. She looks great and SOUNDS fantastic and even if she did a WHOLE set of album tracks, B-sides and soundtrack cuts, a lot of people here would STILL do nothing but bitch about it.

dissention

06-27-2005, 01:40 PM

Sure she wasn't in top performance mode for several of my SYW shows but it was still an amazing feeling to be in her presence.

We also differ on that point, too.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 01:42 PM

Now I can understand not wanting to fly somewhere and spend $1000 to see her but if she is anywhere near your city and you miss a tour that is unexcusable for a so called "die hard". You're off the hook, Jason :p

And I'd be right next to you!!

LOL - having said all of that - I just may fly somewhere and see her because I LOVE LZ :cool:

As for the flatulence - I am sure we all have seen her more than once do that on sage - literally and figuratively :eek: :eek: :laugh:

sparky

06-27-2005, 01:43 PM

LOL - having said all of that - I just may fly somewhere and see her because I LOVE LZ :cool:

As for the flatulence - I am sure we all have seen her more than once do that on sage - literally and figuratively :eek: :eek: :laugh:

You read my mind. Especially after I re-read the rider on The Smoking Gun and Mexican food is mentioned.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 01:45 PM

You read my mind. Especially after I re-read the rider on The Smoking Gun and Mexican food is mentioned.

Maybe that is why she wears all that chiffon and twirls a bunch in an effort to disburse the fumes :eek:

did I just say that

sparky

06-27-2005, 01:50 PM

Maybe that is why she wears all that chiffon and twirls a bunch in an effort to disburse the fumes :eek:

did I just say that

Exactly. In the middle of Stand Back - let errrr rip, baby. :shocked:

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 01:52 PM

Maybe that is why she wears all that chiffon and twirls a bunch in an effort to disburse the fumes :eek:

did I just say that

Ha ha I love you Jason!! :laugh: :laugh:
And there are actual reports of her farting on stage or was that joke? lol

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 01:53 PM

Exactly. In the middle of Stand Back - let errrr rip, baby. :shocked:

a little, if you will, jet propulsion :laugh: :eek: :laugh:

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 01:53 PM

Next thing you know people will be selling her gas on ebay :lol: :lol: :laugh:

dissention

06-27-2005, 01:54 PM

Next thing you know people will be selling her gas on ebay :lol: :lol: :laugh:

And people will buy it.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 01:55 PM

Ha ha I love you Jason!! :laugh: :laugh:
And there are actual reports of her farting on stage or was that joke? lol

None that I know of :laugh: :laugh:

Then again, it may not permeate past the first row if at all, esp. considering she has those two fans usually directly in front of her mic. stand - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now we lknow why :laugh:

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 02:59 PM

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 03:03 PM

Oooooh how cool would it be to hear her do Street Angel live! :blob1: :blob1:
I could see her being really emotional and into it and Taku playing those amazing sounding drum parts.

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 03:06 PM

Oooooh how cool would it be to hear her do Street Angel live! :blob1: :blob1:
I could see her being really emotional and into it and Taku playing those amazing sounding drum parts.

i think there's more of a chance of her doing "Sister Honey" than anything from Street Angel, let alone the title track.. :lol:

Rickypt

06-27-2005, 05:35 PM

It's hard to have the discussion without defining "die-hard".

There are a zillion reasons why a fan would skip this tour, including ticket prices, FM already came through a thousand times during SYW, barely changed setlist, doing covers instead of reaching into huge chest of Stevie songs, can't stand sheds (that's me), lack of money.

I could easily sit this one out. Maybe I'm not a die-hard and that's okay.

But I'm not sitting it out because Stevie is so damn beautiful and happy in the pics and I need to erase my image of her in those dreary SYW performances.

I'm definitely not going because of that Led Zeppelin song. All the wonderful upbeat songs in her portfolio and she steals from Heart's playbook.

AliceLover

06-27-2005, 05:41 PM

It really would not matter what "rarities" she pulled out, some would complain. If she started doing "Alice" I would be complaining, if she started doing "Storms" you would probably complain Jimmy..

First of all don't tell ME what I would be complaining about. Doing covers is one thing, but doing songs from her own collection is another thing. If she started doing storms at her solo concerts I would go for sure. Nobody was complaining on Enchanted tour. Plus, ive seen the enchanted, tisl, and henley/nicks show. Same Same Same, except props to enchanted tour. I don't know how many you have seen, but for me its been the same.

point to this: covers/own material different stuff.

darklinensuit

06-27-2005, 05:45 PM

Exactly. In the middle of Stand Back - let errrr rip, baby. :shocked:

Nonsense.
Never onstage.
Why do you think she takes all the breaks? ;)

- Jake

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 05:45 PM

i think there's more of a chance of her doing "Sister Honey" than anything from Street Angel, let alone the title track.. :lol:

One can dream...and the thought of her doing Sister Honey today actually makes me giggle. Can you see her at the beginning "Sista!!! (guitar) alright baby!!" :laugh: :laugh:

darklinensuit

06-27-2005, 05:46 PM

I'd call myself a die hard fan of her pre-1986 stuff. Everything after that is very spotty. ;)

I forgot, you're the original RAL fanatic. ;)

- Jake

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 05:55 PM

One can dream...and the thought of her doing Sister Honey today actually makes me giggle. Can you see her at the beginning "Sista!!! (guitar) alright baby!!" :laugh: :laugh:

:lol: no, i can't... but i can actually see her doing "If I Were You"... i think she could totally pull off that song live in 2005 :nod:

darklinensuit

06-27-2005, 05:58 PM

Regarding the thread topic:
Too much of Stevie's bread and butter, her die-hards, are tired of her set list and still paying off expensive seats from recent tours, and they had to buy these seats from brokers.
Casual fans are either unaware of the tour, are turned off by the prices, or are unaware that she still puts out good (or any) new solo music. POTU was #1 on the dance charts, but nobody I know outside these boards would believe that. People who find out I'm a fan ask me if she's still with Fleetwood Mac and they are surprised to hear that she has had a solo album in the last ten years, let alone that it charted. Casual fans think her solo career is Edge, Stand Back, If Anyone Falls, and Leather And Lace, and that's it.
When Stevie's best solo songs of the last ten or fifteen years don't get airplay, when Entertainment Tonight profiles Katie Holmes the Scientologist rather than Stevie the singer, it's very doubtful that new folks are going to be inspired to risk money on tickets. Many of these casual fans would otherwise be brought in by the diehards, but like I said, many of the die-hards are sitting out.

- Jake

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 06:04 PM

Regarding the thread topic:
Too much of Stevie's bread and butter, her die-hards, are tired of her set list and still paying off expensive seats from recent tours, and they had to buy these seats from brokers.

I'm one of the die-hards who is still paying off my expensive seats that I had to buy from brokers for both Vegas and SYW but to me it's well worth it. You are very correct about why these shows will not do really well IMO. It's funny you are so right about causual fans. Most people I know not only have no clue she has put out a solo album in the last 10 years but a lot don't even know FM put out an album recently. She has way more of a draw with FM than solo. It's sad but true. I never thought about her shows not selling well until I read this thread but I'm not at all surprised. I guess I'm just disappointed that some of the die-hards are sitting this one out. I could never do that.

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 06:15 PM

I'm one of the die-hards who is still paying off my expensive seats that I had to buy from brokers for both Vegas and SYW but to me it's well worth it. You are very correct about why these shows will not do really well IMO. It's funny you are so right about causual fans. Most people I know not only have no clue she has put out a solo album in the last 10 years but a lot don't even know FM put out an album recently. She has way more of a draw with FM than solo. It's sad but true. I never thought about her shows not selling well until I read this thread but I'm not at all surprised. I guess I'm just disappointed that some of the die-hards are sitting this one out. I could never do that.

especially since her recent performances are her best solo efforts since the "Enchanted" tour... those die-hards who decided to "sit this one out" are missing out big time.. ;)

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 06:19 PM

especially since her recent performances are her best solo efforts since the "Enchanted" tour... those die-hards who decided to "sit this one out" are missing out big time.. ;)

Ah well, their loss. I'm going and intend to have a blast with my girl and nothing is stopping me. Her teeth look funny in your sig by the way. Like baby teeth, it's cute.

Keith

06-27-2005, 06:23 PM

I noted when I went on ticketmaster to check out the Nissan Pavilion concert that it stated "Lawns seats weren't being sold at this show." I did remember that back on the TISL tour, everyone who had lawn tickets were allowed to go in section 300 of the pavilion. I think the pavilion itself holds about 10,000, still a nice showing for an aging rock and roll hippie queen. I do think she has oversaturated the market, and ticket prices and the competition this summer doesn't help.

I also noted on the NP website that they are offering a package deal this summer. 7 shows for $99 (lawn seats, of course.) Stevie is one of the 7 shows that features the Allman Brothers, James Taylor, John Mellencamp/John Fogerty, Ozzfest, Widespread Panic, and Motley Crue. about $14 and some change per show.. not bad at all. Stevie, the Allman Brothers, Mellencamp/Fogerty, and James Taylor is worth the price tag alone. Definitely "grass"' shows..

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 06:28 PM

Stevie, the Allman Brothers, Mellencamp/Fogerty, and James Taylor is worth the price tag alone. Definitely "grass"' shows..

Stevie a grass show? I hope you are referring to another type of grass...
:shrug:

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 06:30 PM

Ah well, their loss. I'm going and intend to have a blast with my girl and nothing is stopping me. Her teeth look funny in your sig by the way. Like baby teeth, it's cute.

that's the way her teeth always look.. u just never really see them that much, cuz she always makes that "serious" look when posing for pictures.. ;)

Sugar

06-27-2005, 06:45 PM

How can I skip an entire tour? Easy. I don't want to waste my money. I've experienced her presence many times over and she sang the same songs, I'm not missing anything. Her twirls don't make me spray my shorts and instead of seeing her sing Rhiannon for the millionth time, I'll save my steak for if Lindsey ever does some solo shows.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Lindsey's solo show was bar none the best concert experience in my life, and frankly has ruined the whole big stadium show thing for me. *Memories of having this conversation with Carne* I'd like to see Stevie do a show like that. But then I am a different sort of fan.

I've been listening to the boots and she sounds...pretty good. Certainly the covers are interesting. But to drop $300 for one night? No way. I have a life with a whole lot of things that need my money more than Stevie.

I did see SYW from the second row, so that was cool, but I probably wouldn't have seen it from any farther away. A stadium show has to be a pretty big deal these days to make it worth my inconvenience! :lol:

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 06:51 PM

I agree wholeheartedly.

Lindsey's solo show was bar none the best concert experience in my life, and frankly has ruined the whole big stadium show thing for me. *Memories of having this conversation with Carne* I'd like to see Stevie do a show like that. But then I am a different sort of fan.

I've been listening to the boots and she sounds...pretty good. Certainly the covers are interesting. But to drop $300 for one night? No way. I have a life with a whole lot of things that need my money more than Stevie.

I did see SYW from the second row, so that was cool, but I probably wouldn't have seen it from any farther away. A stadium show has to be a pretty big deal these days to make it worth my inconvenience! :lol:

if you have the $$, then spend it - that's my philosophy... if you don't have it and need it for other things, then that's certainly understandable.. but it's the people (fans) that HAVE the money and refuse to spend it on somethign that they would really enjoy that kinda irritate me.. instead they just put it in the bank to save it... ummm, what are you saving for, people?? your funeral? makes no sense to me.. :distress:

... live for today, for tomorrow may never come :wavey:

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 07:24 PM

First of all don't tell ME what I would be complaining about. Doing covers is one thing, but doing songs from her own collection is another thing. If she started doing storms at her solo concerts I would go for sure. Nobody was complaining on Enchanted tour. Plus, ive seen the enchanted, tisl, and henley/nicks show. Same Same Same, except props to enchanted tour. I don't know how many you have seen, but for me its been the same.

point to this: covers/own material different stuff.

The point is there will be some unhappy people who complain no matter what she chooses to sing. I referenced Storms because you had said in the past you didn't care for it. I would much rather hear "Rock n Roll" than some of her 88-94 stuff...it's all about preference. Every tour has been different, so actually no it's not the same same same every tour. Sure some things are the same...There were many songs on the Enchanted tour that were never performed before or again, as well as TISL...This tour she has broken out some things (IE : Beauty and the Beast) in which she has not done in quite awhile.
And yes many people did complain on the Enchanted tour, some said they wanted more HITS, some said they wanted her to change it night by night, and not do the same set every night.

These two set lists are not the SAME, I'm sorry if you think so.

2001 :

Stop Draggin/Enchanted/Dreams/Gold Dust Woman/Sorcerer/Every Day/ Rhiannon/ Stand Back/ Planets of the Universe/ Too Far From Texas/ Bombay Sapphires/ Fall From Grace/ Edge of 17/ I Need to Know/ HAEWAFY

2005 :

OTR/Dreams/Enchanted/Stop Draggin/Rhiannon/Sorcerer/GDW/ Stand Back/ I Need to Know/ HAEWAFY / Circle Dance/ Fall From Grace/ Edge of 17 / Rock N Roll/ Beauty and the Beast

NOT THE SAME SET LIST..

Mokona

06-27-2005, 07:26 PM

For me, it's hard to believe Stevie has oversaturated anything. A quick glance through the rags at the grocery store tell you she's not even on the radar anymore. Cher gets more pictures in these things than Stevie (although Cher is touring her final show, supposedly). But I guess as far as her solo and FM fans are concerned, maybe she has flooded that market.

Casual fans are either unaware of the tour, are turned off by the prices, or are unaware that she still puts out good (or any) new solo music. POTU was #1 on the dance charts, but nobody I know outside these boards would believe that. People who find out I'm a fan ask me if she's still with Fleetwood Mac and they are surprised to hear that she has had a solo album in the last ten years, let alone that it charted.

This is especially true. I told my doctor I was going to see Stevie perform, and he said, "Isn't she in a wheelchair by now?" Argh! :mad: I should've smacked him.

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 07:29 PM

These two set lists are not the SAME, I'm sorry if you think so.

2001 :

Stop Draggin/Enchanted/Dreams/Gold Dust Woman/Sorcerer/Every Day/ Rhiannon/ Stand Back/ Planets of the Universe/ Too Far From Texas/ Bombay Sapphires/ Fall From Grace/ Edge of 17/ I Need to Know/ HAEWAFY

2005 :

OTR/Dreams/Enchanted/Stop Draggin/Rhiannon/Sorcerer/GDW/ Stand Back/ I Need to Know/ HAEWAFY / Circle Dance/ Fall From Grace/ Edge of 17 / Rock N Roll/ Beauty and the Beast

NOT THE SAME SET LIST..

Same: 11-12 (since OTR was on the TISL Tour for a short time)
Different: 3-4

It's pretty much the same in my eyes. More energy (so far) this time around.....yes. Same song and dance....yes. It's give and take.

dissention

06-27-2005, 07:33 PM

I agree wholeheartedly.

Lindsey's solo show was bar none the best concert experience in my life, and frankly has ruined the whole big stadium show thing for me. *Memories of having this conversation with Carne* I'd like to see Stevie do a show like that. But then I am a different sort of fan.

I've been listening to the boots and she sounds...pretty good. Certainly the covers are interesting. But to drop $300 for one night? No way. I have a life with a whole lot of things that need my money more than Stevie.

I did see SYW from the second row, so that was cool, but I probably wouldn't have seen it from any farther away. A stadium show has to be a pretty big deal these days to make it worth my inconvenience! :lol:

And I agree wholeheartedly with all of that. :wavey:

I'm not a fan of big shows, I've always preferred small and intimate ones. That's why I'm salivating at the thought of Lindsey doing a small solo tour; it's guaranteed to hit the tiny venues and he's sure to play lots of rarities that he doesn't get to play when he's with Fleetwood Mac. Those are the kind of shows that are special to me, not seeing Stevie sing the same old stuff once again for too much money. Two covers isn't worth the money to me. I could put gas in my car, buy groceries, pay bills, and lots of other things with that money. If she were to perform lots of rare songs or if it was her last tour, then yeah, I'd go. But otherwise, forget it. I don't find her to be otherworldly and her presence isn't that impressive for me to drop that kind of cash. The ones who really want to see her do the same thing can have the seat that I won't be buying and I hope they enjoy it.

dissention

06-27-2005, 07:37 PM

For me, it's hard to believe Stevie has oversaturated anything. A quick glance through the rags at the grocery store tell you she's not even on the radar anymore. Cher gets more pictures in these things than Stevie (although Cher is touring her final show, supposedly). But I guess as far as her solo and FM fans are concerned, maybe she has flooded that market.

She's oversaturated the concert market. Look at all the tours she's been on since 1997 and then look at the last Fleetwood Mac tour where they hit the same markets twice, sometimes three, times over. Then less than a year later, she hit the same markets again with Henley and is now hauling back out for a solo tour. The constant touring of the same markets and venues is not going to lead to big returns.

lagringader&r

06-27-2005, 07:38 PM

A wheelchair? Hardly! A**hole. :mad:

I don't think Stevie's gotten enough exposure for this tour. It's also confusing because first she toured with Henley and now she's on her own. If it was FM touring, do you think the ticket sales would be higher?

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 07:39 PM

She's oversaturated the concert market. Look at all the tours she's been on since 1997 and then look at the last Fleetwood Mac tour where they hit the same markets twice, sometimes three, times over. Then less than a year later, she hit the same markets again with Henley and is now hauling back out for a solo tour. The constant touring of the same markets and venues is not going to lead to big returns.

In her defense, the promoters are still willing to book her :shrug: and they are seemingly against losing money.

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 07:39 PM

She's oversaturated the concert market. Look at all the tours she's been on since 1997 and then look at the last Fleetwood Mac tour where they hit the same markets twice, sometimes three, times over. Then less than a year later, she hit the same markets again with Henley and is now hauling back out for a solo tour. The constant touring of the same markets and venues is not going to lead to big returns.

Looks to me like Stevie kind of feels like she's racing for time. If she waits a few years, so she's not oversaturating the markets, it's possible she feels as if the interest won't be there then, so she'd better do it now..

Chris

dissention

06-27-2005, 07:40 PM

In her defense, the promoters are still willing to book her :shrug: and they are seemingly against losing money.

Let's see how long it lasts with poor ticket sales. To be honest, I'm kind of hoping she stops selling lots of tickets so that maybe she'll consider a tour of small venues.

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 07:41 PM

In her defense, the promoters are still willing to book her :shrug: and they are seemingly against losing money.

Exactly...and we don't know how much she's making on this tour. Even if she only sells 6000 tickets a night, with these prices a lot of money can still be made..as long as she isn't demanding as much per night as she would with the Mac
Chris

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 07:42 PM

Let's see how long it lasts with poor ticket sales. To be honest, I'm kind of hoping she stops selling lots of tickets so that maybe she'll consider a tour of small venues.

Well don't forget Enchanted and TISL didn't have many sell outs either, some shows didn't sell well at all...and they still booked her again in 2005, right after a mammoth Mac tour

Chris

amber

06-27-2005, 07:42 PM

Let's see how long it lasts with poor ticket sales. To be honest, I'm kind of hoping she stops selling lots of tickets so that maybe she'll consider a tour of small venues.
mmmmm, Stevie at the Greek....*drool*. Course, Tom sold the Greek out before I could get tickets, soo....hmmm, maybe not....

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 07:44 PM

Let's see how long it lasts with poor ticket sales. To be honest, I'm kind of hoping she stops selling lots of tickets so that maybe she'll consider a tour of small venues.

Well, they have been doing it for her entire career, though BD was not that long or large of a of a tour :shrug: I mean even SA was booked in larger venues like she is playing now. So, I think she can always be a bankable draw to some extent.

I think the current solo tour was her effort to save the promoters from any cash lost on Henley's inability to play the second half of the two voices tour, which sold well according to the sources cited here.

On a related note, I also give her credit for sticking it out and playing with a vengence. I also think that at 60, she will no longer do this and she realizes that.

dissention

06-27-2005, 07:47 PM

Well, they have been doing it for her entire career, though BD was not that long or large of a of a tour :shrug: I mean even SA was booked in larger venues like she is playing now. So, I think she can always be a bankable draw to some extent.

I think the current solo tour was her effort to save the promoters from any cash lost on Henley's inability to play the second half of the two voices tour, which sold well according to the sources cited here.

Taking into account that she's getting up there in age and touring too much, I think her days of being booked on such a large scale at big venues are numbered. Pretty soon there will come a time when they simply won't want to continue booking her. That's just my opinion.

On a related note, I also give her credit for sticking it out and playing with a vengence. I also think that at 60, she will no longer do this and she realizes that.

That's subjective. :nod:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 07:53 PM

Taking into account that she's getting up there in age and touring too much, I think her days of being booked on such a large scale at big venues are numbered. Pretty soon there will come a time when they simply won't want to continue booking her. That's just my opinion.

I agree. I thought you were saying something different :sorry: Though I think that if she releases another record to any acclaim, she will do the sheds and maybe medium arenas.

That's subjective. :nod:

credit for sticking it out

playing with a vengence

or

at 60, she will no longer do this and she realizes that.

henryscutter

06-27-2005, 07:53 PM

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 07:53 PM

Those are the kind of shows that are special to me, not seeing Stevie sing the same old stuff once again for too much money. Two covers isn't worth the money to me. I could put gas in my car, buy groceries, pay bills, and lots of other things with that money.

oooh, buying gas sure is fun, huh? :rolleyes:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 07:55 PM

And I agree wholeheartedly with all of that. :wavey:

I'm not a fan of big shows, I've always preferred small and intimate ones. That's why I'm salivating at the thought of Lindsey doing a small solo tour; it's guaranteed to hit the tiny venues and he's sure to play lots of rarities that he doesn't get to play when he's with Fleetwood Mac.

Oh yeah! It was his solo tour that he first opened with the scaled down Go Insane and Big Love! The place was slient, except for the initial roar when everyone collectively figured out what each song was.

Ya know, I'd like it if Stevie scaled down too, worked a bit wthin her means a bit more. Why do the parody that Rhiannon has become? Toss it and put in That's Alright with a nice full guitar/mandolin type back up thing. Hell bring out the Dixie Chicks! Re work it so she can sing it, whatever.
She might be able to do Wild Heart if she got rid of the gymnastics and did it more like the make-up demo thing. I could see Think About It, Sable on Blonde, and Gate and Garden working that way too.

Hell, I'd even give her a couple extra months to rehearse.

I'd go see that Stevie show. Especially if they would drop me off and pick me up at the door. :lol:

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 07:55 PM

Wasnt Cleveland one of the highest priced shows on this tour? I bet the lower priced shows will do better. I say summerfest will be near a sellout and tomorrow's cincinati show should do well with top ticket prices of $75

I agree...Also I dont see why she doesnt do like some people do when they play big arenas, and only sell certain portions, and block the rest off with curtains...you can turn an arena into a cool looking theatre

Chris

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 07:57 PM

Wasnt Cleveland one of the highest priced shows on this tour? I bet the lower priced shows will do better. I say summerfest will be near a sellout and tomorrow's cincinati show should do well with top ticket prices of $75

You're right. Cleveland was the highest priced....but there was so much grass showing in the lawn, even Lindsey couldn't smoke it all.

I just have a feeling Stevie will fizzle out before this tour is over. :shrug:

lbelle1214

06-27-2005, 07:59 PM

That and the fact that the front row seats, GREAT seats are all reserved, can't get them until maybe the day of the show or pay broker or ebay prices. They just aren't releasing great seats right off the bat, and pisses people off like me! And then there's TicketB@#$%^&*(!
Exactly!!!! Then, if you email everyone (including Ticketmaster) and piss THEM off, you have to go thru a broker. I swear for three solid days the same 3 seats in row BB kept coming up....THREE DAYS!! Don't think I didn't go off about that. Soooo, my tickets cost a small fortune, but I figure I'll make a round or two before I kick off!!!

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:00 PM

oooh, buying gas sure is fun, huh? :rolleyes:

It's all a matter of priority. Putting gas in my car and paying my bills is more important to me than seeing Stevie Nicks sing the same old **** again.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:00 PM

You're right. Cleveland was the highest priced....but there was so much grass showing in the lawn, even Lindsey couldn't smoke it all.

I just have a feeling Stevie will fizzle out before this tour is over. :shrug:

I do not think so. I say that because she has a month to go and seeing her so energized, Taku's comments, other comments I have heard, etc. lead me to think she can last at least a month. But, I do think come Aug. that is it, except for maybe Vegas.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:01 PM

It's all a matter of priority. Putting gas in my car and paying my bills is more important to me than seeing Stevie Nicks sing the same old **** again.

I suggest if it down to anyone putting gas in their car or seeing any rock concert, larger problems loom ahead :shrug: and any concert whatsoever is probably not that great of a fiscally conservative idea :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:02 PM

I do not think so. I say that because she has a month to go and seeing her so energized, Taku's comments, other comments I have heard, etc. lead me to think she can last at least a month. But, I do think come Aug. that is it, except for maybe Vegas.

Look what happened last summer. Ya'll said Atlanta was so great...then she fizzled soon after cuz she got sick....which I still don't believe fully, but that's another story.

amber

06-27-2005, 08:02 PM

It's all a matter of priority. Putting gas in my car and paying my bills is more important to me than seeing Stevie Nicks sing the same old **** again.
Plus buying movies you've already seen!!!!! :lol: :xoxo:

amber

06-27-2005, 08:04 PM

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:04 PM

Look what happened last summer. Ya'll said Atlanta was so great...then she fizzled soon after cuz she got sick....which I still don't believe fully, but that's another story.

I will never believe that she is so unprofessional that she canceled that many shows because Kristen Buckingham pissed her off, upset her, etc. But, to each their own.

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:04 PM

I suggest if it down to anyone putting gas in their car or seeing any rock concert, larger problems loom ahead :shrug: and any concert whatsoever is probably not that great of a fiscally conservative idea :shrug:

Well, I'm not exactly hurting for money or gas, that's not what I meant. :laugh: My point was that there are better and more important ways for me to spend my money than on a concert that I'm not jonesing to see, and I find it ridiculous that people are called out for being less of a fan just because they're sitting out on a tour. It's ludicrous.

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 08:04 PM

Look what happened last summer. Ya'll said Atlanta was so great...then she fizzled soon after cuz she got sick....which I still don't believe fully, but that's another story.

Yes, but by mid June she was doing just fine again

Chris

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:05 PM

Shhhhh!!! You're ruining my denial!!! :mad: :lol: :xoxo:

I did not mean it like that - I was just envisioning someone going GAS or STEVIE while looking in their wallet :laugh: then again :laugh:

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:05 PM

Yes, but by mid June she was doing just fine again

Chris

Anything is an improvement over the Mansfield show. *shudder*

ShangriLaTroubl

06-27-2005, 08:06 PM

wondergirl9847

06-27-2005, 08:06 PM

...and I find it ridiculous that people are called out for being less of a fan just because they're sitting out on a tour. It's ludicrous.

I've had about enough of the whole "true fan" BS...in all my arenas of fandom. :rolleyes: That and the whole "I'm so-and-so's #1 fan!" makes me wanna vomit.

Serendipity

06-27-2005, 08:07 PM

Anyone who has seen any of my posts will know my desperation and hopeless praying that one day Stevie will come to the UK. When FM came, they played the biggest place in town, our MEN arena. Most people know or know of FM and, like the Rolling Stones, people will go to see them because that band were big in their own teenage or younger years. Sad but true. Most people do not know that Stevie Nicks has much of a solo career and more so, most dont care. If she came here, she'd have to play the Apollo. Smaller, old theatre type place. Its wonderful, I have seen many many bands there, lots of them bands who could fill arenas back in their day. Its a great, initimate atmosphere. But it would never happen. Ignoring the fact that Stevie is never coming here, she's used to being one of the biggest rock stars on the planet in one of the world's biggest bands. She won't scale it down if she doesnt have too and thats a shame because it could be amazing.

~Nicki

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:07 PM

Plus buying movies you've already seen!!!!! :lol: :xoxo:

Yup, because if I buy it, it gives me pleasure. Seeing Stevie this year isn't important to me and I don't really want to, so I can spend the $100 that one of her tickets would cost and buy myself some movies that I love and will have forever. :D

Mokona

06-27-2005, 08:07 PM

I will never believe that she is so unprofessional that she canceled that many shows because Kristen Buckingham pissed her off, upset her, etc. But, to each their own.

Not to hijack a thread, but I really am totally clueless when it comes to things like this (I just discovered this board a little bit ago). Could someone maybe explain this or put it into a new thread? I've always wondered what the relationship is like between Stevie and Lindsey's wife.

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:09 PM

I will never believe that she is so unprofessional that she canceled that many shows because Kristen Buckingham pissed her off, upset her, etc. But, to each their own.

You went straight to her. :rolleyes: :distress: :rolleyes:

The canceled because of poor ticket sales.

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:09 PM

I will never believe that she is so unprofessional that she canceled that many shows because Kristen Buckingham pissed her off, upset her, etc. But, to each their own.

Oh gawd, leave that crap in the other thread. Pleeeeeeeeease. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:09 PM

Well, I'm not exactly hurting for money or gas, that's not what I meant. :laugh: My point was that there are better and more important ways for me to spend my money than on a concert that I'm not jonesing to see, and I find it ridiculous that people are called out for being less of a fan just because they're sitting out on a tour. It's ludicrous.

I know - I was just envisioning the choice I noted above :cool:

I also agree about this tour. I mean if she comes here I will see her as I did when she was here with Henley, though that ticket was free for me THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!!!! I would consider going to another city to see her, but I would have to get a GREAT deal on a hotel room, airfare, etc. And even then, it would have to be somewhere I thought was cool and other Ledgies would be. I do think though that it would be cool to see Rock and Roll and this tour is fierce from what I saw - but it ain't worth a grand to me.

amber

06-27-2005, 08:09 PM

Not to hijack a thread, but I really am totally clueless when it comes to things like this (I just discovered this board a little bit ago). Could someone maybe explain this or put it into a new thread? I've always wondered what the relationship is like between Stevie and Lindsey's wife.
Don't. You don't want to. :shocked: :lol: I swear. :p

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:10 PM

Oh gawd, leave that crap in the other thread. Pleeeeeeeeease. :laugh:

For real. I wasn't even thinking that.

Johnny Stew

06-27-2005, 08:11 PM

Yes that is pretty stupid. However, I get tired of hearing people who aren't even going to the shows complain about them.Like Grampa Simpson... "I didn't earn it, I don't need it, but if they miss one payment I'll raise hell."

"I didn't go to a show, I don't want to go to a show, but I'm still gonna raise hell!" :laugh:

jannieC

06-27-2005, 08:11 PM

I've had about enough of the whole "true fan" BS...in all my arenas of fandom. :rolleyes: That and the whole "I'm so-and-so's #1 fan!" makes me wanna vomit.

But I really am Stevie's #1 fan. Just kidding, of course.

It's everyone's personal decision whether to go or not. How much a "fan" you are vs. someone else is irrelevant to me. That being said though, the fewer people (true fans) that go will probably make her stop touring eventually, and that bums me out. I don't think I'm a bigger fan than anyone else. I just love to see Stevie live, and would be willing to go see her even if she never changed her setlist. I guess if I felt crappy about her setlist, I would still go, but go for cheaper seats. That way, I'd feel like I was supporting her without spending a fortune.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:11 PM

You went straight to her. :rolleyes: :distress: :rolleyes:

The canceled because of poor ticket sales.

:sorry: I thought that is what I thought you were referring to :sorry:

I agree that one of those shows could have been canceled as a result of that, but I do think she was genuinely sick. Thus, thhe management took advantage of that to cancel the, I think, Pitts. show.

:sorry: again for the presumption :cool:

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:11 PM

:sorry: I thought that is what I thought you were referring to :sorry:

I agree that one of those shows could have been canceled as a result of that, but I do think she was genuinely sick. Thus, thhe management took advantage of that to cancel the, I think, Pitts. show.

:sorry: again for the presumption :cool:

No problem. :xoxo:

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:12 PM

For real. I wasn't even thinking that.

They canceled those shows because of poor ticket sales, that's what I always thought, just like you.

amber

06-27-2005, 08:12 PM

Yup, because if I buy it, it gives me pleasure. Seeing Stevie this year isn't important to me and I don't really want to, so I can spend the $100 that one of her tickets would cost and buy myself some movies that I love and will have forever. :D
I know. Thus the laughie and the kiss. Hey, I buy clothes before movies, same thing. Just teasing. teasing. *although I buy nothing rather than see Stevie*
Amber "only watches a few movies more than once" G.

Johnny Stew

06-27-2005, 08:13 PM

Could someone maybe explain this or put it into a new thread? I've always wondered what the relationship is like between Stevie and Lindsey's wife.Stevie and Kristen don't seem to have any problems with each other... but many fans disagree.

That pretty much sums it up perfectly. :)

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:13 PM

They canceled those shows because of poor ticket sales, that's what I always thought, just like you.

But you do agree she was sick. I mean you saw her sick :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:14 PM

They canceled those shows because of poor ticket sales, that's what I always thought, just like you.

...hence the "sickness" was dramatized, IMO.

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 08:14 PM

Well, I'm not exactly hurting for money or gas, that's not what I meant. :laugh: My point was that there are better and more important ways for me to spend my money than on a concert that I'm not jonesing to see, and I find it ridiculous that people are called out for being less of a fan just because they're sitting out on a tour. It's ludicrous.

ummm.. so are you just as much a fan of putting gas in your car as you are a Stevie fan? my point is, if you are spending your money on something else you enjoy rather than seeing Stevie, than great.. but certainly you would get maybe just a little more fun out of seeing a rock legend on stage performing familiar songs than a gas attendent filling up your tank, yes?

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:14 PM

But you do agree she was sick. I mean you saw her sick :shrug:

Of course I do. She couldn't fake such a bad performance if she tried. :laugh:

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:17 PM

ummm.. so are you just as much a fan of putting gas in your car as you are a Stevie fan? my point is, if you are spending your money on something else you enjoy rather than seeing Stevie, than great.. but certainlly you would get maybe just a little more fun out of seeing a rock legend on stage performing familiar songs than a gas attendent filling up your tank, yes?

Revoke my fan card, please. It's obviously not as golden as yours. Please forgive me.

Is it that hard to understand that I just don't feel like paying to see her this year?

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:17 PM

...hence the "sickness" was dramatized, IMO.

Maybe, but why would she give up that $$$$ per show - but she may get that even though she fell sick via insurance, etc.

Johnny Stew

06-27-2005, 08:18 PM

I usually forget stuff related to tours, but didn't Fleetwood Mac make up most of the dates they had to postpone when Stevie was sick?
All but Pittsburgh, if I remember correctly. But maybe I don't.

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:19 PM

Maybe, but why would she give up that $$$$ per show - but she may get that even though she fell sick via insurance, etc.

Why would you reschedule at show on the same date as ANOTHER SHOW? Very unprofessional.

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 08:19 PM

Revoke my fan card, please. It's obviously not as golden as yours. Please forgive me.

Well, that's true..

Is it that hard to understand that I just don't feel like paying to see her this year?

nope, but for such a big "fan" as yourself, your justification for not going was rather weak, imo..

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:20 PM

Why would you reschedule at show on the same date as ANOTHER SHOW? Very unprofessional.

Oh - I think they took advantage of the fact that she was sick to cancel Pitts (wan't that the show) - but she was still sick, etc.

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:20 PM

I usually forget stuff related to tours, but didn't Fleetwood Mac make up most of the dates they had to postpone when Stevie was sick?
All but Pittsburgh, if I remember correctly. But maybe I don't.

and Bristow. :distress:

amber

06-27-2005, 08:21 PM

Revoke my fan card, please. It's obviously not as golden as yours. Please forgive me.

Is it that hard to understand that I just don't feel like paying to see her this year?
You know, I'm not down with the whole "who's a bigger fan" thing, but I'm suprised you don't want to see her at least once this year - it may never get better than this. I mean, I totally see your point, but I feel like this may be the last good Stevie Round for awhile. :shrug: You didn't want to see just one?? For your mind's posterity? :D

Johnny Stew

06-27-2005, 08:22 PM

Why would you reschedule at show on the same date as ANOTHER SHOW? Very unprofessional.No other date to reschedule the better selling venue, so you sacrifice a lower selling date.
Makes sense to me. :shrug:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:22 PM

and Bristow. :distress:

I wish someone in the know would let us know if they get paid for a show missed due to illness. I say that because I cannot believe any of their management would let them walk away from that significant amount of money.

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:23 PM

Well, that's true..

Of course it is. Let me bow down at your feet.

nope, but for such a big "fan" as yourself, your justification for not going was rather weak, imo..

I didn't know it was my job to justify my not going to the likes of yourself. My bad.

I can put my money to better use, simple as that.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:23 PM

No other date to reschedule the better selling venue, so you sacrifice a lower selling date.
Makes sense to me. :shrug:

Plus, they may not have been able to work in a rescheduling dur to a variety of conflicts.

pattymarkle

06-27-2005, 08:24 PM

Next thing you know people will be selling her gas on ebay :lol: :lol: :laugh:

Okay - I have a funny story for you guys. I work for a DJ in Dallas, doing some production work from time to time on his morning show. A couple of years ago, we sold a bottle of "Celebrity Air" on e-bay. We took an air sample from the area around the microphone, created a special label and put it up for auction.

Stevie was one of the celebrities we listed as she had once spoken in that microphone. We had about 20 others. We did the whole thing for charity, raising money for poor kids to go to summer camp.

The bidding closed at $510.00. It was paid by a man who had a child who had attended camp a few years ago when he didn't have any money and he wanted to give something back to the community.

I thought you might get a kick out of the story!

Patty

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:24 PM

I wish someone in the know would let us know if they get paid for a show missed due to illness. I say that because I cannot believe any of their management would let them walk away from that significant amount of money.

They just added casino dates instead of coming back to the missed dates. :cool:

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:25 PM

You know, I'm not down with the whole "who's a bigger fan" thing, but I'm suprised you don't want to see her at least once this year - it may never get better than this. I mean, I totally see your point, but I feel like this may be the last good Stevie Round for awhile. :shrug: You didn't want to see just one?? For your mind's posterity? :D

Nope. :laugh: I'm just not into it this year after seeing the Mac a couple of times the last round. I'm not a fan of big shows to begin with and I just don't feel like spending the money.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 08:26 PM

They just added casino dates instead of coming back to the missed dates. :cool:

I know - but it seems to me that the venue would hold them too their contract, their managers would want all of those bookings, etc. But, this is all my speculation as I am not familiar with their contracts, etc.

amber

06-27-2005, 08:29 PM

Nope. :laugh: I'm just not into it this year after seeing the Mac a couple of times the last round. I'm not a fan of big shows to begin with and I just don't feel like spending the money.
Hmmmmmm.
Hmmmmnnn!
mkay. :shrug:

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 08:34 PM

Of course it is. Let me bow down at your feet.

no need to bow, but thanks anyway for offering...

I didn't know it was my job to justify my not going to the likes of yourself. My bad.

aww, don't be silly, it's not your "job" to justify anything to me.. but you are on a public message board where your comments are viewed by hundreds of people.. from a fan's standpoint, to hear another "fan" basically say they would rather put gas in their car than to see one of their favorite singers perform live, seems kinda disrespectful...

I can put my money to better use, simple as that.

great! and have fun! :thumbsup: :wavey:

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:36 PM

no need to bow, but thanks anyway for offering...

How gracious of you.

aww, don't be silly, it's not your "job" to justify anything to me.. but you are on a public message board where your comments are viewed by hundreds of people.. from a fan's standpoint, to hear another "fan" basically say they would rather put gas in their car than to see one of their favorite singers perform live, seems kinda disrespectful...

Color me disrespectful.

great! and have fun! :thumbsup: :wavey:

I will considering that it's my money and I know how to spend it best. :thumbsup: :wavey:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 08:37 PM

aww, don't be silly, it's not your "job" to justify anything to me.. but you are on a public message board where your comments are viewed by hundreds of people.. from a fan's standpoint, to hear another "fan" basically say they would rather put gas in their car than to see one of their favorite singers perform live, seems kinda disrespectful...

I didn't leave the Stevie. The Stevie left me.

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:38 PM

I didn't leave the Stevie. The Stevie left me.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Let's make babies!

Sugar

06-27-2005, 08:42 PM

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Let's make babies!

Right after Lindsey's solo show... :xoxo:

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:44 PM

Right after Lindsey's solo show... :xoxo:

Eek, I think I'll be spent as soon as he takes the stage. :lol:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 08:48 PM

Eek, I think I'll be spent as soon as he takes the stage. :lol:

You just wait. I was actually kind of tepid walking into the last one. Never again. :thumbsup:

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 08:49 PM

Let's see how long it lasts with poor ticket sales. To be honest, I'm kind of hoping she stops selling lots of tickets so that maybe she'll consider a tour of small venues.

That's what Bob Dylan does now. :)

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 08:50 PM

I agree wholeheartedly.

Lindsey's solo show was bar none the best concert experience in my life, and frankly has ruined the whole big stadium show thing for me

Ok this is driving me nuts. My frist problem with this is putting Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckinhgam in the same catagory. One is a star, one is far from a star (not to take away from his talent). I can't even comment on this one because I'm not a Lindsey fan and putting them in the same catagory is crazy to me.

She's oversaturated the concert market. Look at all the tours she's been on since 1997 and then look at the last Fleetwood Mac tour where they hit the same markets twice, sometimes three, times over. Then less than a year later, she hit the same markets again with Henley and is now hauling back out for a solo tour. The constant touring of the same markets and venues is not going to lead to big returns.

And oversaturation is a bad thing? For the die-hard fan like myself it's the best thing in the world. I became a die-hard when SYW came out so this constant touring has been a dream come true for me. I couldn't be happier about it and hope she never stops touring!!

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 08:52 PM

Toss it and put in That's Alright with a nice full guitar/mandolin type back up thing.

That song deserves to be sung. It was overlooked on Mirage, IMO.

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:52 PM

You just wait. I was actually kind of tepid walking into the last one. Never again. :thumbsup:

Oh, you're killing me. :laugh: I want to see him solo so badly that I can taste it. Soundstage will tide me over for a while, but not for long.

Sugar

06-27-2005, 08:52 PM

Ok this is driving me nuts. My frist problem with this is putting Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckinhgam in the same catagory. One is a star, one is far from a star (not to take away from his talent). I can't even comment on this one because I'm not a Lindsey fan and putting them in the same catagory is crazy to me.

Oh I see. You go because you want to be around a star. I'm just looking for the most moving musical experience.

The idea of making this about who is a "star" is equally crazy to me.

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 08:53 PM

I couldn't be happier about it and hope she never stops touring!!

You don't want other albums?

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:53 PM

That's what Bob Dylan does now. :)

And bless him for that. He still kicks out fantastic shows. And have you seen the onslaught of Dylan torrents on Dime this past week?! I've been going nuts trying to grab them all.

dissention

06-27-2005, 08:55 PM

That song deserves to be sung. It was overlooked on Mirage, IMO.

It's one of the best tracks on Mirage. :nod: A perfect little song.

Sugar

06-27-2005, 08:58 PM

It's one of the best tracks on Mirage. :nod: A perfect little song.

Yeah, I've always liked Stevie better as "Persevering Woman" rather than Channeler of the Cosmos."

amber

06-27-2005, 09:03 PM

Yeah, I've always liked Stevie better as "Persevering Woman" rather than Channeler of the Cosmos."
I like Stevie as "persevering channeler of the cosmos woman", personally. :) I also like Stevie as "childlike woman in pain but yelling at your ass" woman. :laugh:

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 09:04 PM

And bless him for that. He still kicks out fantastic shows. And have you seen the onslaught of Dylan torrents on Dime this past week?! I've been going nuts trying to grab them all.

I'll have to check them out.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:04 PM

Oh I see. You go because you want to be around a star. I'm just looking for the most moving musical experience.

The idea of making this about who is a "star" is equally crazy to me.

Well, that is not really a fair comparison or statement. Many are moved by La Nicks' performances :shrug:

Interestingly and also, LB may be able to do a smaller tour now because he did the whole huge stage thing for almost two years with FM, so he is not above it :shrug: Plus, I firmly believe if LB could sell a larger venue to the degree La Nicks could, he would. I mean it is not like he said - he FM wait a minute, let's play some 2,000 seaters and I will forfeit my probably close to 100,000 a show :shrug:

So, I think LB plays the smaller places because that is where his solo market price point is.

Note - none of this is a detracting comment on anyone's talent.

Also, all this high fiving and wink winking that a smaller venue is better and/or implying that La Nicks is somehow less because she does not do that - though she did in Vegas - is crap.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:06 PM

I like Stevie as "persevering channeler of the cosmos woman", personally. :) I also like Stevie as "childlike woman in pain but yelling at your ass" woman. :laugh:

Personally, I like a cosmo while watching the woman :cool:

amber

06-27-2005, 09:08 PM

Personally, I like a cosmo while watching the woman :cool:
:cool: :lol:
What's better than cosmos while channeling the Cosmos?

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 09:08 PM

Oh I see. You go because you want to be around a star. I'm just looking for the most moving musical experience.

The idea of making this about who is a "star" is equally crazy to me.

When you are talking about ticket sales, venues, and making $$ it becomes and issue. And I don't go because she is a star, I go because I love her and I don't think I need to explain that. The whole reason I brought it up is because we are talking about saturating the market and so forth and dealing with someone who is on a much larger scale when it comes to touring solo (i.e. higher ticket prices, etc). That was my point.

dissention

06-27-2005, 09:09 PM

Personally, I like a cosmo while watching the woman :cool:

I finally understand. It's the alcohol that makes her tolerable. :eek: :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:09 PM

I finally understand. It's the alcohol that makes her enjoyable. :eek: :laugh:

works when I read your posts :wavey:

dissention

06-27-2005, 09:10 PM

works when I read your posts :wavey:

You need more than a cosmo for that.

amber

06-27-2005, 09:14 PM

I finally understand. It's the alcohol that makes her tolerable. :eek: :laugh:
No.
If you get it, you get it. :cool:

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 09:16 PM

OMG I've spent all freakin day on the freakin board! Oh well makes the time pass at work when there's not a whole lot going on. I'm addicted :shrug:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:17 PM

You need more than a cosmo for that.

LOL - who told you :laugh:

Actually, I have only had cosmos before one show and I was MISERABLE during that show because they go straight to my head :eek: :laugh:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:17 PM

Well, that is not really a fair comparison or statement. Many are moved by La Nicks' performances :shrug:.

That was a direct response to SS saying that Lindsey and Stevie aren't in the same category because he's not a star. The two categories are not mutually exclusive.

Interestingly and also, LB may be able to do a smaller tour now because he did the whole huge stage thing for almost two years with FM, so he is not above it :shrug: Plus, I firmly believe if LB could sell a larger venue to the degree La Nicks could, he would. I mean it is not like he said - he FM wait a minute, let's play some 2,000 seaters and I will forfeit my probably close to 100,000 a show :shrug:

So, I think LB plays the smaller places because that is where his solo market price point is.

Note - none of this is a detracting comment on anyone's talent.

Also, all this high fiving and wink winking that a smaller venue is better and/or implying that La Nicks is somehow less because she does not do that - though she did in Vegas - is crap.

The size of the venue is just nice. Of course Lindsey would play bigger if he could. Because he plays smaller venues due to, at least in part, market demands, doesn't make it any less of a thing to look forward to.

Really. It's nice. Try it. You'll like it. :D

As I said earlier, I just wish Stevie would quit pushing the Stevie schtick. JMO. I'd like to see her scaled back a bit. And if half the casual fans stay home, well that's fine by me.

AliceLover

06-27-2005, 09:17 PM

The point is there will be some unhappy people who complain no matter what she chooses to sing. I referenced Storms because you had said in the past you didn't care for it. I would much rather hear "Rock n Roll" than some of her 88-94 stuff...it's all about preference. Every tour has been different, so actually no it's not the same same same every tour. Sure some things are the same...There were many songs on the Enchanted tour that were never performed before or again, as well as TISL...This tour she has broken out some things (IE : Beauty and the Beast) in which she has not done in quite awhile.
And yes many people did complain on the Enchanted tour, some said they wanted more HITS, some said they wanted her to change it night by night, and not do the same set every night.

These two set lists are not the SAME, I'm sorry if you think so.

2001 :

Stop Draggin/Enchanted/Dreams/Gold Dust Woman/Sorcerer/Every Day/ Rhiannon/ Stand Back/ Planets of the Universe/ Too Far From Texas/ Bombay Sapphires/ Fall From Grace/ Edge of 17/ I Need to Know/ HAEWAFY

2005 :

OTR/Dreams/Enchanted/Stop Draggin/Rhiannon/Sorcerer/GDW/ Stand Back/ I Need to Know/ HAEWAFY / Circle Dance/ Fall From Grace/ Edge of 17 / Rock N Roll/ Beauty and the Beast

NOT THE SAME SET LIST..

The overall show was very similiar. No new dances and I do not see this new "energy" for this tour. I think she danced a lot more in Boston for the DVD. Beauty and the Beast, IAF, and How Still My love, was great, but she played them for what 4 shows. So I can see why the tour isn't selling. If she played storms id be there because it would be another new song she pulled out.

amber

06-27-2005, 09:19 PM

OMG I've spent all freakin day on the freakin board! Oh well makes the time pass at work when there's not a whole lot going on. I'm addicted :shrug:
Be careful/welcome to my world. :laugh:
There is never anything going on at my work, sadly. :)

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 09:20 PM

I finally understand. It's the alcohol that makes her tolerable. :eek: :laugh:

ughh.. these tiresome digs at her are getting old... actually, they have been old for awhile now..

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:21 PM

When you are talking about ticket sales, venues, and making $$ it becomes and issue. And I don't go because she is a star, I go because I love her and I don't think I need to explain that. The whole reason I brought it up is because we are talking about saturating the market and so forth and dealing with someone who is on a much larger scale when it comes to touring solo (i.e. higher ticket prices, etc). That was my point.

OK. :shrug:
I still don't get what that has to do with my saying Lindsey's show was the best I've been to, but OK.

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 09:21 PM

Be careful/welcome to my world. :laugh:
There is never anything going on at my work, sadly. :)

Then how do you justify coming home from work and getting right back on? lol

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:22 PM

. . . As I said earlier, I just wish Stevie would quit pushing the Stevie schtick. JMO. I'd like to see her scaled back a bit. And if half the casual fans stay home, well that's fine by me.
I agree - I would have LOVED to have seen the Y2K shows at the HOB. And - I have to say seeing LB at Soundstage was thrilling. I guess only time will tell :cool:

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 09:23 PM

The overall show was very similiar. No new dances and I do not see this new "energy" for this tour. I think she danced a lot more in Boston for the DVD. Beauty and the Beast, IAF, and How Still My love, was great, but she played them for what 4 shows. So I can see why the tour isn't selling. If she played storms id be there because it would be another new song she pulled out.

Jimmy, you are a bit of an exception to this whole thing because you don't yet drive.. so you have to depend on other people to go to these shows.. no need to make excuses for not going... it's these so called "fans" who have the means to get there, yet don't... you know, the same ones who bitch and complain about everything, yet they are still big "fans" :rolleyes:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:24 PM

SapphireSister

06-27-2005, 09:25 PM

OK. :shrug:
I still don't get what that has to do with my saying Lindsey's show was the best I've been to, but OK.

Too much confusion. This thread is suppose to be about weak ticket sales for her shows and you were saying (if I recall) you would rather see LB perform so I was just saying it wasn't necessarily a good comparison but I'm very happy for you that you enjoyed Lindsey's show :)

dissention

06-27-2005, 09:25 PM

I agree - I would have LOVED to have seen the Y2K shows at the HOB. And - I have to say seeing LB at Soundstage was thrilling. I guess only time will tell :cool:

Let's cross our fingers that Soundstage isn't edited of all the good songs. Didn't he do Save Me A Place?

dissention

06-27-2005, 09:27 PM

ughh.. these tiresome digs at her are getting old... actually, they have been old for awhile now..

I was joking around with Jason. If you don't like it, employ the ignore function.

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 09:29 PM

I was joking around with Jason. If you don't like it, employ the ignore function.

well, it gets kinda annoying after like 2 years... but thanks for the advice :wavey:

dissention

06-27-2005, 09:31 PM

well, it gets kinda annoying after like 2 years... but thanks for the advice :wavey:

You're quite welcome. :wavey:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:32 PM

Too much confusion. This thread is suppose to be about weak ticket sales for her shows and you were saying (if I recall) you would rather see LB perform so I was just saying it wasn't necessarily a good comparison but I'm very happy for you that you enjoyed Lindsey's show :)

Ah well to reply more to that, Lindsey came out on his solo show and blew everyone away with two new re-workings of his songs. He shook things us (as much as they can be shaken up in the FM universe). Should there be a second solo tour, I would expect something new again, so I would be more likely to go. Something like that is more worth my buck than what Stevie is doing.

If Stevie tried to be a bit more inventive like Lindsey, this fan would be more interested in going.

amber

06-27-2005, 09:35 PM

Oh yeah! As I said earlier, I'd like it if Stevie scaled down too, worked a bit wthin her means a bit more. Why do the parody that Rhiannon has become? Toss it and put in That's Alright with a nice full guitar/mandolin type back up thing. Hell bring out the Dixie Chicks! Re work it so she can sing it, whatever.
She might be able to do Wild Heart if she got rid of the gymnastics and did it more like the make-up demo thing. I could see Think About It, Sable on Blonde, and Gate and Garden working that way too.

Hell, I'd even give her a couple extra months to rehearse.
As a chiffonhead, I totally agree. Not with those particular songs, but with the scale down thing. I also agree that Lindsey kicks ass, though. If I could see one of his shows, I'd die just almost the same. The funny thing is, Lindsey seems more forced to scale down, which I think makes for a better show, whereas Stevie has never been forced to scale down (for which I am somewhat thankful, because it means she is more likely to play where I can see her) and I think the shows have suffered a bit for that. But then, even if Stevie has to scale down, does that mean she would pull out old ****? I'm not so sure. probably not. Hmmm. Pointless post. I guess my post is that I agree with everyone's points. Linds kicks ass, Stevie's setlist is less than desired but I love her and always want to go anyway and think she kicks, I want Linds to tour, I want Stevie to bust out something way more rad. :shrug:
I love it/them all.
pointless post ended.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:36 PM

. . . If Stevie tried to be a bit more inventive like Lindsey, this fan would be more interested in going.

I think Circle Dance and Rock and Roll were her way of doing that. I think she thinks, and somewhat correctly, that she must play her big hits (SDMHA, Rhiannon, Dreams, GDW, etc. ) or the majority of the crowd will be disappointed. I think we all would like to hear other stuff but the avg. person wants to hear what they know. I heard more than one person leave the ATL two voices show saying "where was Landslide - I cannot believe she did not sing that - I feel cheated - etc. " I heard similar things at the TISL shows I attended. I think LB has fewer hits, so it is easier for him to get away with playing more obscure stuff.

dissention

06-27-2005, 09:38 PM

ontheEdgeof17

06-27-2005, 09:38 PM

. I heard more than one person leave the ATL two voices show saying "where was Landslide - I cannot believe she did not sing that - I feel cheated - etc. " I heard similar things at the TISL shows I attended.

She should just add a few more songs. Her show was over around 10 o'clock. It was light out during most of her set.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 09:42 PM

She should just add a few more songs. Her show was over around 10 o'clock. It was light out during most of her set.

Oh I agree - and I also think she should tour with a pianist, an acoustic guitar, and a bongo player. I think then we would get some new and interesting stuff :cool:

amber

06-27-2005, 09:45 PM

Wouldn't it be a gas if he went on an acoustic tour? Just imagine how wonderful the show would be with stripped-down versions of his songs.
I think that would be great, too, but what about the genius of Lindsey that is production/layering guy?

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:45 PM

As a chiffonhead, I totally agree. Not with those particular songs, but with the scale down thing. I also agree that Lindsey kicks ass, though. If I could see one of his shows, I'd die just almost the same. The funny thing is, Lindsey seems more forced to scale down, which I think makes for a better show, whereas Stevie has never been forced to scale down (for which I am somewhat thankful, because it means she is more likely to play where I can see her) and I think the shows have suffered a bit for that. But then, even if Stevie has to scale down, does that mean she would pull out old ****? I'm not so sure. probably not. Hmmm. Pointless post. I guess my post is that I agree with everyone's points. Linds kicks ass, Stevie's setlist is less than desired but I love her and always want to go anyway and think she kicks, I want Linds to tour, I want Stevie to bust out something way more rad. :shrug:
I love it/them all.
pointless post ended.

Well yeah, these songs were just ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure Stevie and the 4,000 members of her staff, consultants, musician friends, and back-up singers could really come up with some interesting things to do that would suit Stevie.

Lindsey? Forced to scale down? You mean the guy with the four backing guitarists on his solo show? They all stood a lot closer together, but other than that I'm not sure what you mean. :laugh: I'm not looking for projections of spirals and things going in "cycles" at a Lindsey show.

But you're right. It's not about scaling up or down or the size of the venue. It's the musical choices made, or not. :thumbsup:

amber

06-27-2005, 09:48 PM

Well yeah, these songs were just ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure Stevie and the 4,000 members of her staff, consultants, musician friends, and back-up singers could really come up with some interesting things to do that would suit Stevie.

Lindsey? Forced to scale down? You mean the guy with the four backing guitarists on his solo show? They all stood a lot closer together, but other than that I'm not sure what you mean. :laugh: I'm not looking for projections of spirals and things going in "cycles" at a Lindsey show.

But you're right. It's not about scaling up or down or the size of the venue. It's the musical choices made, or not. :thumbsup:
yeah. By forced to scale down I basically meant size of venues. :) I didn't realize he used so many musicians. :) Makes sense, though, like I said before, Lindsey writes lots of layers, and other genius stuff, I would be suprised if he didn't want all his "parts" represented.

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:51 PM

I think Circle Dance and Rock and Roll were her way of doing that. I think she thinks, and somewhat correctly, that she must play her big hits (SDMHA, Rhiannon, Dreams, GDW, etc. ) or the majority of the crowd will be disappointed. I think we all would like to hear other stuff but the avg. person wants to hear what they know. I heard more than one person leave the ATL two voices show saying "where was Landslide - I cannot believe she did not sing that - I feel cheated - etc. " I heard similar things at the TISL shows I attended. I think LB has fewer hits, so it is easier for him to get away with playing more obscure stuff.

Maybe it's her way, and it's OK, but she's missing the mark. Yes, it's abundantly clear Stevie feels it's necessary to play 75% of the same songs. It's in her head. The average person can stay home. This who thing started about ticket sales and how any self-respecting fan could even *GASP* consider staying home. This is why I'm staying home.

And LB's stuff wasn't obscure. Both of those songs were singles!!! It's what he did with them! :thumbsup:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 09:57 PM

Wouldn't it be a gas if he went on an acoustic tour? Just imagine how wonderful the show would be with stripped-down versions of his songs.

Maybe not all, but I could sure get into about 50% of the show being that way.

Maybe 75%. :lol:

ISA, Come, GYOW I don't really see scaling down.

But hell, what do I know. If you'd have told me that those two techno pop tunes like GI and BL would have been like on an acoustic guitar I wouldn't have believed it.

I leave it in Lindsey's hands. I trust him with the price of my ticket.

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 09:58 PM

Let's cross our fingers that Soundstage isn't edited of all the good songs. Didn't he do Save Me A Place?

It was an impromptu version. I think he and Neal made a joke about remembering how to play it. They only played it once, if memory serves and I don't think it will make the final cut.
On the other hand, Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind was breathtaking and will hopefully make the broadcast. Trouble was stellar also. :)

amber

06-27-2005, 09:58 PM

Maybe it's her way, and it's OK, but she's missing the mark. Yes, it's abundantly clear Stevie feels it's necessary to play 75% of the same songs. It's in her head. The average person can stay home. This who thing started about ticket sales and how any self-respecting fan could even *GASP* consider staying home. This is why I'm staying home.

And LB's stuff wasn't obscure. Both of those songs were singles!!! It's what he did with them! :thumbsup:
I understand staying home, but also, I just can't stay home. I agree with your points, but....Just to be there, when she's singing, is very special to me. Well, it's not as special from less than front rowish, but it's still very special. I've tried to stay home, too. :distress:
Chiffonhead, Out!!! Peace. :laugh:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:01 PM

I understand staying home, but also, I just can't stay home. I agree with your points, but....Just to be there, when she's singing, is very special to me. Well, it's not as special from less than front rowish, but it's still very special. I've tried to stay home, too. :distress:
Chiffonhead, Out!!! Peace. :laugh:

Have fun! :wavey:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 10:01 PM

. . . Trouble was stellar also. :)

At one point in that song, I was jumping feet off of the ground and belting - "I should have runnnnnnnnnnnn -- iiiii iiiii iiiii iiiii think I'm in - TRRROOOUUBBLLEEEE"

it was stellar. AND that Stones tune better make it is as well.

jwd

06-27-2005, 10:03 PM

two words ... TICKET PRICES The best seats for cleveland were $125.00 Im sure a lot more people would go if tix were affordable

Tickets for Cincinnati's Riverbend are $75, $59.75, and $23.25. So I'm thinking that the prices are dictated more by the venue than by the artist. I think those prices are fairly reasonable. :shrug:

LiquidBlue5000

06-27-2005, 10:04 PM

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:04 PM

On the other hand, Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind was breathtaking and will hopefully make the broadcast. Trouble was stellar also. :)

Was there a backing band for this? I don't remember.

This sounds heavenly...

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 10:05 PM

Was there a backing band for this? I don't remember.

This sounds heavenly...

It was FM's SYW backing band - Taku, Neale, Brett, Ray L. on some, and I forget who else - oh La Nicks was there as well.

jwd

06-27-2005, 10:07 PM

How much were the tickets at TISL? I'm curious to see how much more these were.

In Cincy they were just about the same as they are for the Gold Dust Tour. So much for inflation! :)

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:07 PM

It was FM's SYW backing band - Taku, Neale, Brett, Ray L. on some, and I forget who else - oh La Nicks was there as well.

Who?

Kidding, kidding...

Actually I remember she was there. I do love the way they sound together. I'd like to hear more stevie harmonizing like that then more Stevie belting...sort of... :sorry:

I'm feeling ornery now... :o

kak125

06-27-2005, 10:09 PM

Hello everyone!! This is a very interesting thread. I agree about Stevie oversaturating the market at least in Cleveland. I know that the good seats were expensive but that wasnt the problem at the Blossom show. Most of the expensive seats sold but the $25 lawn and bleacher seats were practically empty. I think that $25 is sooo cheap to see a show so besides oversaturation I cannot think of any other reason why people would be skipping this tour.
The reason I went to this show even though I saw FM 3 times on the last tour (I have also seen Stevie 3 times solo) is hearing about Stevie's renewed energy and the fact that I got front row from somebody off ebay for a great price. She put on a hell of a show on Saturday and there is something about seeing Stevie solo that is very different from FM. Stevie is more reseved with FM so when she does solo shows she gets to break out of that and be a little more crazy. I love that. I also love the fact that you get to rush the stage when Edge starts and that you get the opportunity to shake her hand. I dont know any other artist that likes to get that close to their fans. I love Dave Matthews but you are lucky if Dave decides to talk at all between songs let alone have any interaction with the audience.

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:10 PM

Who?

Kidding, kidding...

Actually I remember she was there. I do love the way they sound together. I'd like to hear more stevie harmonizing like that then more Stevie belting...sort of... :sorry:

I'm feeling ornery now... :o

We also got a little impromptu Frozen Love. The die hards just about fainted when he broke out Down On Rodeo, Red Rover and Murrow. :shocked:

dissention

06-27-2005, 10:10 PM

It was FM's SYW backing band - Taku, Neale, Brett, Ray L. on some, and I forget who else - oh La Nicks was there as well.

Did she sing on anything other than Say Goodbye? I can't get enough of that song and her harmonies live, so I can't wait to see it. The sound on the LIB version is so poor, it gets loud and then gets really quiet for some reason.

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:11 PM

We also got a little impromptu Frozen Love. The die hards just about fainted when he broke out Down On Rodeo, Red Rover and Murrow. :shocked:

You are a cruel, cruel woman.

I would have fainted. But that's Lindsey for you!

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:12 PM

Did she sing on anything other than Say Goodbye? I can't get enough of that song and her harmonies live, so I can't wait to see it. The sound on the LIB version is so poor, it gets loud and then gets really quiet for some reason.

Oh, my faulty memory! She did two songs with him if memory serves, the second being Go Your Own Way.
Wasn't it, Jason?

dissention

06-27-2005, 10:13 PM

We also got a little impromptu Frozen Love. The die hards just about fainted when he broke out Down On Rodeo, Red Rover and Murrow. :shocked:

Be still my beating heart.

I wouldn't have fainted, I would have had a stroke.

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:14 PM

You are a cruel, cruel woman.

I would have. But that's Lindsey for you!

I was in Chicago for four glorious days! The first night FM played at the United Center, I got front row and played his guitar. That was one of my best FM odesseys. :nod:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:15 PM

Be still my beating heart.

I wouldn't have fainted, I would have had a stroke.

Quite the pair we would have been. Guess that whole baby thing IS out of the question. :lol:

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:15 PM

Be still my beating heart.

I wouldn't have fainted, I would have had a stroke.

He was totally willing to play the song, ready to give it a whirl. She on the other hand, was not and sang the begining in the drone voice which managed to send the crowd into a tizzy anyway.

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:20 PM

I was in Chicago for four glorious days! The first night FM played at the United Center, I got front row and played his guitar. That was one of my best FM odesseys. :nod:

'Tis the only FM related thing I've even considered traveling for was Soundstage. That and I love Chicago.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda...*heavy sigh*

bookie29

06-27-2005, 10:21 PM

Did she sing on anything other than Say Goodbye? I can't get enough of that song and her harmonies live, so I can't wait to see it. The sound on the LIB version is so poor, it gets loud and then gets really quiet for some reason.

I think that she sang on NGBA as well. It's been sooo looong ago that I'm not sure.

Sean

Hawkeye

06-27-2005, 10:25 PM

it was definitely Say Goodbye and Never Going Back Again. I wasnt there but I got a great memory.

darklinensuit

06-27-2005, 10:31 PM

Wouldn't it be a gas if he went on an acoustic tour? Just imagine how wonderful the show would be with stripped-down versions of his songs.

I was just saying to Marissa earlier that if I had my way, this would be the plan:
- The re-release of Buckingham Nicks with extras
- A tour of Stevie & Lindsey together doing their solo songs & BN songs. Just guitar. Like AHI Gypsy. :blob1:

- Jake

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 10:31 PM

Oh, my faulty memory! She did two songs with him if memory serves, the second being Go Your Own Way.
Wasn't it, Jason?

It was NGBA and SG - Frozen Love was TERRIFYING for us. Stevie sang "well you may not be as strong as me" and then maybe a little more and then looked at LB sort of like - well are ya gonna play - but then said that was all she could remember. I died.

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 10:32 PM

He was totally willing to play the song, ready to give it a whirl. She on the other hand, was not and sang the begining in the drone voice which managed to send the crowd into a tizzy anyway.

I thought she sounded cute though in small voice and then just looked at him and he said those were some great two part harmonies.

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:35 PM

'Tis the only FM related thing I've even considered traveling for was Soundstage. That and I love Chicago.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda...*heavy sigh*

Hopefully we'll get a few more moments like that. You were with child then, no?

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:36 PM

I think that she sang on NGBA as well. It's been sooo looong ago that I'm not sure.

Sean

You're probably right Sean.

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:37 PM

I thought she sounded cute though in small voice and then just looked at him and he said those were some great two part harmonies.

I was trying to explain it in dissention-speak. :laugh:

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:39 PM

Hopefully we'll get a few more moments like that. You were with child then, no?

No, but she's only 4 now so she's still little. I would have felt bad being away for so long.

Johnny Stew

06-27-2005, 10:42 PM

I was trying to explain it in dissention-speak. :laugh::laugh:

But you forgot to work in the word "crap" (or "****" or "excrement")!

Sugar

06-27-2005, 10:44 PM

:laugh:

But you forgot to work in the word "crap" (or "****" or "excrement")!

...or whoreanus... :nod:

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:45 PM

:laugh:

But you forgot to work in the word "crap" (or "****" or "excrement")!

Ah yes, always the potty fixation. :laugh:

dissention

06-27-2005, 10:45 PM

...or whoreanus... :nod:

My favorite one! :blob1:

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:46 PM

...or whoreanus... :nod:

He stole that from Perez. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-27-2005, 10:47 PM

I was trying to explain it in dissention-speak. :laugh:

LOL - poor Diss - getting so beat up in this thead :cool: :wavey:

dissention

06-27-2005, 10:47 PM

He stole that from Perez. :laugh:

:nod:

It's my fabrittttttttttt. I wish I had thought of it, dammit. And I wish Perez would get back to the way he used to be, there's no more juicy stuff.

dissention

06-27-2005, 10:49 PM

LOL - poor Diss - getting so beat up in this thead :cool: :wavey:

Par for the course. :lol:

gldstwmn

06-27-2005, 10:49 PM

:nod:

It's my fabrittttttttttt. I wish I had thought of it, dammit. And I wish Perez would get back to the way he used to be, there's no more juicy stuff.

I think someone threatened to sue a bitch's ass. :laugh: Still fun though.

dissention

06-27-2005, 10:52 PM

I think someone threatened to sue a bitch's ass. :laugh: Still fun though.

:laugh:

I'll never forget that one post about Bobby Brown and Whitney's ass, my gawd.

Johnny Stew

06-27-2005, 11:08 PM

Par for the course. :lol:What can we say? Your schtick is as imitable as Stevie's! :xoxo: :laugh:

sparky

06-28-2005, 12:13 AM

And oversaturation is a bad thing?

From a promoter's POV yeah. The casual fan fills about 60% of the seats. And that right there is the profit margin. Casual fans don't shell out 200 bucks every year.

rianbay1

06-28-2005, 12:18 AM

Ah well to reply more to that, Lindsey came out on his solo show and blew everyone away with two new re-workings of his songs. He shook things us (as much as they can be shaken up in the FM universe). Should there be a second solo tour, I would expect something new again, so I would be more likely to go. Something like that is more worth my buck than what Stevie is doing.

If Stevie tried to be a bit more inventive like Lindsey, this fan would be more interested in going.

I saw Lindsey do "Big Love" acoustic opening up for Tina Turner in the summer of 1992. Great show, but he's not really "shaking things up" doing it the exact same way 13 short years later. I wonder that if Lindsey toured as much as Stevie does if there would be this much complaining about having to suffer through "Go Your Own Way" again. My guess is that, yes, there would be.

As far as the ticket sales go, I'd say that crowds of 5,000 to 7,000 in most markets are probably what promoters are expecting from this tour. I agree ticket prices could be cheaper and ARE in many markets (Top ticket prices for the 19,000 capacity Target Center in Minneapolis are $63 dollars and go all the way down to $18). I really don't think this tour is selling badly at all especially cosidering the mammoth FM tour of the last 2 years. The same thing happened when Stevie embarked on Enchanted with it being so close to the end of The Dance tour.

glitter_fades

06-28-2005, 01:25 AM

amber

06-28-2005, 01:29 AM

Not so. ITA! :thumbsup:
Oh, my. Mark this date.
But, yeah. I want to see everyone at their most inspired, creative, and highest potential. :) whatever it takes. But I am not immune to anyone's presence, and any fabulous show they put on, as well. Which I think we would agree all parties are capable of. :angel:

glitter_fades

06-28-2005, 01:36 AM

Oh, my. Mark this date.
:angel:

Just did. :D

:laugh:

upontheventura

06-28-2005, 04:49 AM

rianbay1

06-28-2005, 08:15 AM

Well I am just going to say it. It is on Stevie's and/OR her managment's part. I have heard Stevie mention many times how she needs to save for retirement because she wasn't like Lindsay, getting paid as a producer and also living below her means...
She SHOULD be playing places like The Orpheum in Boston like Tori Amos..... Its kind of a greed thing, and her ticket prices are ridiculous.

Somehow I have a hard time believing Stevie is in this for the money, especially at this point in her career. She seems to really be enjoying doing this tour and if she wanted to retire I'm sure she could have done it years ago. At least after The Dance, if not before. Plus, the money raked in for Landslide alone (Given all Fleetwood Mac, Smashing Pumpkins, and Dixie Chicks versions, which all got/get massive airplay) would be WAY more than any producers fee.
Hasn't it been established that although the artist may have some say in ticket prices that they are determined, in the end, by the promoters? This is how I understand it to be. Not just in Stevie's case, but in the case of any substantial touring artist. AND, again not all markets are $125 a ticket some are priced $65 - $75 for top tickets and go all the way down to $20 which sustantiates even more that someone other than Stevie is determining ticket prices.

Sugar

06-28-2005, 08:36 AM

I saw Lindsey do "Big Love" acoustic opening up for Tina Turner in the summer of 1992. Great show, but he's not really "shaking things up" doing it the exact same way 13 short years later. I wonder that if Lindsey toured as much as Stevie does if there would be this much complaining about having to suffer through "Go Your Own Way" again. My guess is that, yes, there would be.

It was amazing at the time, but yeah, the fact that he keeps on doing it is less than groundbreaking. And perhaps if he toured as much as Stevie his shows wouldn't be as interesting.

Still, changing it up that way is more inventive than anything Stevie's done perhaps since the Bella Donna shows. JMO, of course.

ShangriLaTroubl

06-28-2005, 11:30 AM