Is anyone planning on doing Bit Torrent when they get their stevie dvd?

[henryscutter]

Just wondering if anyone is planning on uploading the Phili show or any others? I am trying to decide if I should buy the dvd from the e-bay guy. Thanks

[estranged4life]

Just wondering if anyone is planning on uploading the Phili show or any others? I am trying to decide if I should buy the dvd from the e-bay guy. Thanks

who has mentioned they will upload the Philly DVD to a torrent website once they have received their copy....So if this happens soon I would just hold onto my $$$ and take the torrent.

[LiquidBlue5000]

who has mentioned they will upload the Philly DVD to a torrent website once they have received their copy....So if this happens soon I would just hold onto my $$$ and take the torrent.

I know who it is... he should have it within a day or two.. he told me that he is going to torrent it as well... so we shall see :nod:

[henryscutter]

who has mentioned they will upload the Philly DVD to a torrent website once they have received their copy....So if this happens soon I would just hold onto my $$$ and take the torrent.
That's good to know. Thanks :wavey:

[Nightbirdjel]

I know who it is... he should have it within a day or two.. he told me that he is going to torrent it as well... so we shall see :nod:

OH GOD THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!! I'm just dying for a recent DVD!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to whoever will be torrenting! :xoxo: :blob2:

[SapphireSister]

What's Torrent?

[LiquidBlue5000]

What's Torrent?

an ancient chinese secret used to prevent people who record shows to no longer be able to "trade" for them.. :p

[SapphireSister]

an ancient chinese secret used to prevent people who record shows to no longer be able to "trade" for them.. :p

What is it really Brian??

[LiquidBlue5000]

What is it really Brian??

it's a website where you can download full shows... i don't "torrent" myself, but i know many people who do.. apparently it takes forever and a day to upload a show.. but hey, i guess it's a nice gesture on their part :shrug:

[SapphireSister]

it's a website where you can download full shows... i don't "torrent" myself, but i know many people who do.. apparently it takes forever and a day to upload a show.. but hey, i guess it's a nice gesture on their part :shrug:

What a waste of time. I'd rather just trade. And also if you download it you have to put it on a disk to watch it on tv and that's another whole process.

[MacMan]

What is it really Brian??

Actually it is a form of downloading / uploading / sharing of shows in a lossless format. Yes it can take awhile to download shows, but there is no loss in quality. The tracks are in .wav form not mp3.

Here's a site that should answer all your questions. It's actually kind of cool the way it works.. but it can take awhile to wrap your head around.. but once you get it, it works pretty simply.

http://dessent.net/btfaq/

[dissention]

it's a website where you can download full shows... i don't "torrent" myself, but i know many people who do.. apparently it takes forever and a day to upload a show.. but hey, i guess it's a nice gesture on their part :shrug:

It doesn't take long at all. I've uploaded complete shows in two hours flat. And you can just leave your client running in the background while you do other things.

[LiquidBlue5000]

It doesn't take long at all. I've uploaded complete shows in two hours flat. And you can just leave your client running in the background while you do other things.

Well,.. i don't usually have two hours to waste on uploading/downloading just one show.. i think i'd rather trade for it.. burn 2 CD's, takes 5 minutes.. i doubt anyone can really notice a difference in sound quality of a ripped AUD show vs. a downloaded AUD show anyway... Torrents is more for people who don't have a big collection of shows.. for those people, it's a good way to get stuff for free..

[dissention]

Well,.. i don't usually have two hours to waste on uploading/downloading just one show.. i think i'd rather trade for it.. burn 2 CD's, takes 5 minutes.. i doubt anyone can really notice a difference in sound quality of a ripped AUD show vs. a downloaded AUD show anyway... Torrents is more for people who don't have a big collection of shows.. for those people, it's a good way to get stuff for free..

You're not wasting two hours, you can leave your computer on when you're not using it or just let the client run in the background while you're using your computer. And it's not for people without a big collection, it's the people with big collections who breathe life into torrents. Without them, half the **** that's out there would never see the light of day. Where the hell else are you going to find old soundboard recordings of Ike and Tina or rare and uncirculated Stevie/Mac shows? I know that if bit torrents had never been invented, I never would have shared some of the stuff I have for the simple fact that so many out there like to butcher bootlegs when they get their paws on them. It's a good way to get quality stuff without the hassle of burning stuff, dealing with traders, going to the post office, and waiting to get your stuff in the mail.

[LiquidBlue5000]

You're not wasting two hours, you can leave your computer on when you're not using it or just let the client run in the background while you're using your computer. And it's not for people without a big collection, it's the people with big collections who breathe life into torrents. Without them, half the **** that's out there would never see the light of day.

Half?? you sure about that? I recorded 10 shows this year, and 7 of them i have put out in circulation via trade, not torrent... as far as i know, only 3 other people have recorded QUALITY audio from the 2005 shows.. Most of them, including mine were available via trade only... sure, some shows are put out on torrents which are excellent quality.. but to imply half is exxaggerating just a bit...

It's a good way to get quality stuff without the hassle of burning stuff, dealing with traders, going to the post office, and waiting to get your stuff in the mail.

right.. but it is time consuming and my point remains that you would not be able to distinguish the difference between an AUD recording via burned CD or an AUD recording via torrents... it's not as if the world of torrents has introduced dozens of soundboard recordings that were never before heard.. for those who don't trade on a regular basis, yes.. for those who do, no..

[dissention]

Half?? you sure about that? I recorded 10 shows this year, and 7 of them i have put out in circulation via trade, not torrent... as far as i know, only 3 other people have recorded QUALITY audio from the 2005 shows.. Most of them, including mine were available via trade only... sure, some shows are put out on torrents which are excellent quality.. but to imply half is exxaggerating just a bit...

I was speaking about bootlegs in general.

it's not as if the world of torrents has introduced dozens of soundboard recordings that were never before heard..

Respectfully, that's bull****. :angel:

I couldn't count on my hands the uncirculated soundboards and recordings that I've gotten via torrents. I never introduced any soundboards myself, but I circulated two recordings that never saw the light of day and that's what makes bit torrents so great; you get to hear stuff that no one has ever circulated before.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Respectfully, that's bull****. :angel:

I couldn't count on my hands the uncirculated soundboards and recordings that I've gotten via torrents. I never introduced any soundboards myself, but I circulated two recordings that never saw the light of day and that's what makes bit torrents so great; you get to hear stuff that no one has ever circulated before.

it's the Napster for bootlegs... you can buy CD's or you can download them... it's more economical to download vs. buying CD's of course.. but it cost no more to trade than it does to download from torrents (maybe a few extra cents for postage and CD-R's)..

Torrents is fine.. but it's not the end all for quality recocordings..

[dissention]

Torrents is fine.. but it's not the end all for quality recocordings..

It is when it comes to Mac/Stevie/Lindsey shows. Most bootleg traders out there won't even touch their boots with a ten foot pole because Mac fans don't take care of the recordings and the quality is utter crap in comparison to most other artists. That's an accepted fact.

[sodascouts]

Another great thing about these bittorent sites is that you can get DVDs. Brian J. does DVDs and so do a few other traders, but not that many. Plus, you're guaranteed that they're lossless. Bittorrents are AWESOME!

[estranged4life]

Torrents is more for people who don't have a big collection of shows.. for those people, it's a good way to get stuff for free..

but it also helps those who are just starting out to build a larger collection. When I first started collecting I had only about 3 traders who helped me out (Sara M., Jennifer G. & Brianna, Who is no longer an active trader) cause otherwise I was left to try to obtain bootlegs via eBay :eek:

I trade people for discs that are currently available on torrents on a regular basis since I don't have a PC to be able to download (Or upload) shows myself...I have found great sounding shows on torrents (Non-Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks related) that I might not have been able to obtain elsewhere.

I also continue to trade music too which is also fine, I see no difference in trading vs. torrent, Both accomplish the same goal, Getting the music out to the fans!!!

[LiquidBlue5000]

It is when it comes to Mac/Stevie/Lindsey shows. Most bootleg traders out there won't even touch their boots with a ten foot pole because Mac fans don't take care of the recordings and the quality is utter crap in comparison to most other artists. That's an accepted fact.

no, you are mistaken.. yes, some of the earlier Stevie/Mac shows were/are "crap".. but anything from 2001- present day is pretty top quality..

[LiquidBlue5000]

but it also helps those who are just starting out to build a larger collection. When I first started collecting I had only about 3 traders who helped me out (Sara M., Jennifer G. & Briana, Who no longer an active trader.)

I trade people for discs that are currently available on torrents on a regular basis since I do now have a PC to be able to download (Or upload) shows myself...I have found great sounding shows on torrents (Non-Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks related) that I might not have been able to obtain elsewhere.

I also continue to trade music too which is also fine, I see no difference in trading vs. torrent, Both accomplish the same goal, Getting the music out to the fans!!!

well said and i agree...

[dissention]

no, you are mistaken.. yes, some of the earlier Stevie/Mac shows were/are "crap".. but anything from 2001- present day is pretty top quality..

Not by a long shot.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Not by a long shot.

then i guess you don't have much of current Stevie/Mac collection...

[dissention]

then i guess you don't have much of current Stevie/Mac collection...

I have plenty and a lot of it is crap and has been polluted by people trading MP3s.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I have plenty and a lot of it is crap and has been polluted by people trading MP3s.

well, yeah, if all you do is download your shows, i would imagine it would sound like crap.. try trading for shows in the future, this way you can get a better quality recording :xoxo:

[dissention]

well, yeah, if all you do is download your shows, i would imagine it would sound like crap.. try trading for shows in the future, this way you can get a better quality recording :xoxo:

Gee, you think? I don't download **** MP3 shows, I trade for shows and it's the asses that download MP3s who burn them to disc for trades and try to pass them off as just regular copies. Mac traders don't take care of their bootlegs.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Gee, you think? I don't download **** MP3 shows, I trade for shows and it's the asses that download MP3s who burn them to disc for trades and try to pass them off as just regular copies. Mac traders don't take care of their bootlegs.

Well, i take care of mine... and funny, i dont recall doing any current trades with you for any of my 7 shows that i have offered... which means, either you dont collect the amount of shows you claim you do, or you are getting these shows from another source.. if that is the case, then you are getting a copy of a copy.. the more copies made, the less quality you have, thus a "crap" recording...

[dissention]

Well, i take care of mine... and funny, i dont recall doing any current trades with you for any of my 7 shows that i have offered... which means, either you dont collect the amount of shows you claim you do, or you are getting these shows from another source.. if that is the case, then you are getting a copy of a copy.. the more copies made, the less quality you have, thus a "crap" recording...

I haven't traded for any of the new shows from the Two Voices tour because I don't want them right now and don't have the time to trade boots. I've got the DVD audios of the Vegas shows and that's all I need at the moment. And since when is quality lost when you make an exact copy of a disc? It's not, unless you burn at a speed higher than 2x or 4x and phuck it up with diginoise and litter it with recording flaws.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I haven't traded for any of the new shows from the Two Voices tour because I don't want them right now and don't have the time to trade boots.

right.. just wait for them to be torrented :rolleyes:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Mommy. Daddy. Please stop fighting.



:laugh:

[dissention]

right.. just wait for them to be torrented :rolleyes:

Sure, it's more convenient and takes less time. :D

[LiquidBlue5000]

Sure, it's more convenient and takes less time. :D

convenient for you, sure.. a person who thinks burning a CD is such a time consuming task..

[sodascouts]

I agree with Brian J. There's no reason for conflict. Both are valuable. Bittorrenting is great for those who don't have anything to trade, who don't want to wait 2 weeks for their shows to arrive, or who want stuff they can't find on many trade sites like DVDs. Old-fashioned trading is great because at this point, the shows that are being torrented are only a small percentage of what's out there, and trading opens you up to more. I do both, and I am grateful for both. It's all good!

[dissention]

convenient for you, sure.. a person who thinks burning a CD is such a time consuming task..

Yup. :woohoo:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Yup. :woohoo:

great attitude... you know, if everyone had that same attitude, there would be nothing for you to download... i mean, why should anyone risk getting caught by security at a show and having their equipment confiscated when they can just sit in front of a computer screen all day and wait for something to "show up"? :rolleyes:

[dissention]

great attitude... you know, if everyone had that same attitude, there would be nothing for you to download... i mean, why should anyone risk getting caught by security at a show and having their equipment confiscated when they can just sit in front of a computer screen all day and wait for something to "show up"? :rolleyes:

You obviously have no idea what bit torrents are all about.

[LiquidBlue5000]

You obviously have no idea what bit torrents are all about.

you're right.. i have no clue whatsoever.. none.. :rolleyes:

but maybe you can enlighten me on the essence of bit torrents, so i can somehow "understand"..

[dissention]

you're right.. i have no clue whatsoever.. none.. :rolleyes:

but maybe you can enlighten me on the essence of bit torrents, so i can somehow "understand"..

Maybe some other time, I don't feel like it right now. :wavey:

[GeminiCusp82]

It is when it comes to Mac/Stevie/Lindsey shows. Most bootleg traders out there won't even touch their boots with a ten foot pole because Mac fans don't take care of the recordings and the quality is utter crap in comparison to most other artists. That's an accepted fact.


AMEN TO THAT! Most bootlegs of FM and Stevie sound like mush...such a shame...torrents ARE a blessing! :angel:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Maybe some other time, I don't feel like it right now. :wavey:

awww, shucks... well, when you can fit me into your busy schedule, you let me know, k? :wavey:

[dissention]

awww, shucks... well, when you can fit me into your busy schedule, you let me know, k? :wavey:

Will do, sir. :nod:

[LiquidBlue5000]

AMEN TO THAT! Most bootlegs of FM and Stevie sound like mush...such a shame...torrents ARE a blessing! :angel:

sure, for those with no collections... and those who are too lazy to trade..

[GeminiCusp82]

awww, shucks... well, when you can fit me into your busy schedule, you let me know, k? :wavey:


Seriously Brian, you mean to tell me that you cant hear the difference between 80 bitrate mp3 pro and .wav? WOW boy clean out your ears! LOL :sorry:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Will do, sir. :nod:

Thanks a bunch! :thumbsup: hey, who's better than you, huh?? :shrug:

[GeminiCusp82]

sure, for those with no collections... and those who are too lazy to trade..

I do online trading ...when I get something I think other people would like I torrent it. *NO MP3s* Didn't know that made me lazy and I didn't know I have a small collection.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Seriously Brian, you mean to tell me that you cant hear the difference between 80 bitrate mp3 pro and .wav? WOW boy clean out your ears! LOL :sorry:

Jeremy, at what point during this thread did you read me saying anything of that nature?? maybe you need glasses...

i was refering to an AUD recording via trade and an AUD recording via torrents... no one, not even you oh Diva-remix-master, can tell the difference in sound quality of those two sources..

[dissention]

I do online trading...when I get something I think other people would like I torrent it. Didn't know that made me lazy and I didn't know I have a small collection.

Precisely. People who download shows also upload shows and share them, just like they seed and share what they download. :)

[LiquidBlue5000]

I do online trading...when I get something I think other people would like I torrent it. Didn't know that made me lazy and I didn't know I have a small collection.

you refered to torrents as a "blessing".. i wouldnt go that far..

and anyway, i was not refering to you specifically... i was refering to other people who would truly consider it a "blessing"..

[GeminiCusp82]

Jeremy, at what point during this thread did you read me saying anything of that nature?? maybe you need glasses...

i was refering to an AUD recording via trade and an AUD recording via torrents... no one, not even you oh Diva-remix-master, can tell the difference in sound quality of those two sources..


Brian, its a nice thing...torrenting...you do it to share with people...I dont ask for anything in return ...I dont think anyone does... and the quality of the torrent is the quality of the cd it is on pretty much but a lot of the torrents posted are upgrades for the older versions of them out in circulation. Some may have been personally recorded from like 1977... stuff no one has ever heard before (Tampa 03)...So go ahead and ramble on.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Precisely. People who download shows also upload shows and share them, just like they seed and share what they download. :)

i thought you were "too busy" and didnt have time??

[Dark Angel]

well, yeah, if all you do is download your shows, i would imagine it would sound like crap.. try trading for shows in the future, this way you can get a better quality recording :xoxo:

Actually, that would only happen by downloading MP3s, or receiving them on disc from a trader, not from lossless WAV files found in in the torrent circles.
There is a seriously huge difference. I trade and I download torrents, and I've found there is a lot of amazing lossless Mac, Stevie, and other artist stuff out there on torrent sites. Just an honest observation.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Brian, its a nice thing...torrenting...you do it to share with people...I dont ask for anything in return ...I dont think anyone does... and the quality of the torrent is the quality of the cd it is on pretty much but a lot of the torrents posted are upgrades for the older versions of them out in circulation. Some may have been personally recorded from like 1977... stuff no one has ever heard before (Tampa 03)...So go ahead and ramble on.

Torrenting is lovely, yes.. i'm not disputing that.. i'm disputing the "quality" issue...

[GeminiCusp82]

Torrenting is lovely, yes.. i'm not disputing that.. i'm disputing the "quality" issue...


Lets say i trade something with you for a show you have on cd that you got from someone who got it from someone who got it from someone etc.... i send you my part of the trade and i get yours and i notice that there is a torrent of it on dimeadozen. I get pissed because its the upgraded version. ....see? The upgraded version was posted by the person who bought it from a local radio station or record shop in a bin some where...pure source

[Dark Angel]

i'm disputing the "quality" issue...

The quality, as long as it's not MP3, is the exact same quality as it would be on the CD it came from. It's the same as copying a CD/DVD for someone. As long as it's done at the right speeds, there is absolutely no loss in quality.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Lets say i trade something with you for a show you have on cd that you got from someone who got it from someone who got it from someone etc.... i send you my part of the trade and i get yours and i notice that there is a torrent of it on dimeadozen. I get pissed because its the upgraded version. ....see? The upgraded version was posted by the person who bought it from a local radio station or record shop in a bin some where...pure source

then maybe you should have traded for a different show...

[LiquidBlue5000]

The quality, as long as it's not MP3, is the exact same quality as it would be on the CD it came from. It's the same as copying a CD/DVD for someone. As long as it's done at the right speeds, there is absolutely no loss in quality.

no Lisa.. you dont understand.. i'm refering to the quality issue of an identical recording on torrents vs one that can be obtained in trading.. same show, same quality...

[dissention]

i thought you were "too busy" and didnt have time??

What do you think, that you have to sit in front of your computer for hours in order to upload shows and seed shows you've downloaded? A couple of little clicks of the mouse is all it takes.

[dissention]

no Lisa.. you dont understand.. i'm refering to the quality issue of an identical recording on torrents vs one that can be obtained in trading.. same show, same quality...

Again, it depends on the source. Say someone gets a copy from someone who has the master recording, then trades it to someone but burns it at a high speed and the CD is copied with diginoise and errors. That CD will then be traded and circulated to others who will then trade it and copy it once again. With torrents, the guy with the master could upload it and effectively get rid of all the sub-par copies by doing so.

[LiquidBlue5000]

What do you think, that you have to sit in front of your computer for hours in order to upload shows and seed shows you've downloaded? A couple of little clicks of the mouse is all it takes.

now we're back to this?? i already know all about that.. tell me something i don't know..

[dissention]

now we're back to this?? i already know all about that.. tell me something i don't know..

Then stop sounding so ignorant and making me repeat myself.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Again, it depends on the source. Say someone gets a copy from someone who has the master recording, then trades it to someone but burns it at a high speed and the CD is copied with diginoise and errors. That CD will then be traded and circulated to others who will then trade it and copy it once again. With torrents, the guy with the master could upload it and effectively get rid of all the sub-par copies by doing so.

a guy with the master such as myself?? :lol:

[dissention]

a guy with the master such as myself?? :lol:

Well, no, I'm talking about people who actually give a ****. :laugh:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Well, no, I'm talking about people who actually give a ****. :laugh:

excuse me?? i don't give a ****?? what ever gave you that idea??

[dissention]

excuse me?? i don't give a ****?? what ever gave you that idea??

Gee, I don't know, you don't exactly seem to be a big fan of bit torrents, so why would you give a **** about them and uploading stuff to them? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

Another great thing about these bittorent sites is that you can get DVDs. Brian J. does DVDs and so do a few other traders, but not that many. Plus, you're guaranteed that they're lossless. Bittorrents are AWESOME!

Agreed. :thumbsup:

[Dark Angel]

no Lisa.. you dont understand.. i'm refering to the quality issue of an identical recording on torrents vs one that can be obtained in trading.. same show, same quality...

So now it's just back to the trading issue of it?? 'Cause that's what your post looks like. :shrug:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Gee, I don't know, you don't exactly seem to be a big fan of bit torrents, so why would you give a **** about them and uploading stuff to them? :confused:

nahh.. why would i want to go through all the trouble of doing that when i can just trade with other people who care enough about the music to put a little effort into getting something back??

Torrent my shows? never... i'll leave that to people like you who have nothing better to do..

[dissention]

nahh.. why would i want to go through all the trouble of doing that when i can just trade with other people who care enough about the music to put a little effort into getting something back??

Torrent my shows? never... i'll leave that to people like you who have nothing better to do..

Man, you're so high up there on your horse that I doubt you can even see the ground.

I hope you never benefit from any of the work and effort people put into torrenting shows for others.

[Dark Angel]

Again, it depends on the source. Say someone gets a copy from someone who has the master recording, then trades it to someone but burns it at a high speed and the CD is copied with diginoise and errors. That CD will then be traded and circulated to others who will then trade it and copy it once again. With torrents, the guy with the master could upload it and effectively get rid of all the sub-par copies by doing so.

Agreed 100%. :nod:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Man, you're so high up there on your horse that I doubt you can even see the ground.

likewise...


I hope you never benefit from any of the work and effort people put into torrenting shows for others.

well, according to you, it's just a simple click of a mouse.. or is it a big effort? because you have claimed both in this thread.. :shrug:

[GeminiCusp82]

likewise...



well, according to you, it's just a simple click of a mouse.. or is it a big effort? because you have claimed both in this thread.. :shrug:

I have torrented a lot and the more you do it the easier it gets...I was doing 2 at 1 time with the Vegas shows. Sometimes it can be overwhelming but you get used to it and you eventually get faster at it.

[GeminiCusp82]

I have torrented a lot and the more you do it the easier it gets...I was doing 2 at 1 time with the Vegas shows. Sometimes it can be overwhelming but you get used to it and you eventually get faster at it.

One thing I forgot to say was....HOW COME MY SHARE RATIO NEVER GOES UP!!! UGH! LOL

[dissention]

well, according to you, it's just a simple click of a mouse.. or is it a big effort? because you have claimed both in this thread.. :shrug:

To seed and upload a show, yeah, it's easy. But it takes time to compile the tracks, the info files, and package the torrent file.

Like I said, I hope you never enjoy the end results of the bit torrent users that you so gleefully belittle.

[LiquidBlue5000]

To seed and upload a show, yeah, it's easy. But it takes time to compile the tracks, the info files, and package the torrent file.

Like I said, I hope you never enjoy the end results of the bit torrent users that you so gleefully belittle.

:lol: belittle?? who's belittling? certainly not me... i just don't agree with the philosophy from the recorder's standpont... if they are a fan, why they would torrent their shows instead of trading.. i wouldn't, but that's me...

and i'm sorry you feel i'm not worthy of a torrented show... but i dunno, i think i kinda earned the right to enjoy at least a couple, don't ya think? :wavey:

[GeminiCusp82]

:lol: belittle?? who's belittling? certainly not me... i just don't agree with the philosophy from the recorder's standpont... if they are a fan, why they would torrent their shows instead of trading.. i wouldn't, but that's me...

and i'm sorry you feel i'm not worthy of a torrented show... but i dunno, i think i kinda earned the right to enjoy at least a couple, don't ya think? :wavey:


But there are a lot of nice and giving people out there who choose to share what they have. Just because you have a recorded show that you did personally doesnt mean you HAVE to be obligated to hold it all for yourself and make a profit off of it...same thing with torrenting it. No one is holding a gun to your head to do either. It is the torrenter's decision. WHoO HOo new word...Torrenter haha I torrent, therefore, I am.

[LiquidBlue5000]

But there are a lot of nice and giving people out there who choose to share what they have. Just because you have a recorded show that you did personally doesnt mean you HAVE to be obligated to hold it all for yourself and make a profit off of it...same thing with torrenting it. No one is holding a gun to your head to do either. It is the torrenter's decision. WHoO HOo new word...Torrenter haha I torrent, therefore, I am.

Jeremy, i have no doubt in my mind that if and when you get your grimey little hands on those shows, that you will torrent them.. in my opinion, it wouldnt be your place to do so, because not only did you not record them, but you do not have the master copy...

[GeminiCusp82]

Jeremy, i have no doubt in my mind that if and when you get your grimey little hands on those shows, that you will torrent them.. in my opinion, it wouldnt be your place to do so, because not only did you not record them, but you do not have the master copy...


Um if it goes from cd to cd to cd to cd to cd to cd to .wav to .flac to .torrent it will still be lossless dude.

[GeminiCusp82]

Jeremy, i have no doubt in my mind that if and when you get your grimey little hands on those shows, that you will torrent them.. in my opinion, it wouldnt be your place to do so, because not only did you not record them, but you do not have the master copy...


And I wouldnt torrent that anyway when I can get them all one day in 80 bitrate mp3 pro. :D

[Dreammms]

okay my dear friends brian and jeremy whom i love very much...

please let it go.


:xoxo:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Um if it goes from cd to cd to cd to cd to cd to cd to .wav to .flac to .torrent it will still be lossless dude.

it still wouldnt be your place to do so..

[GeminiCusp82]

it still wouldnt be your place to do so..


Why? If I get the cds in a trade then they are my property right? I can do with them what I please.

[GeminiCusp82]

it still wouldnt be your place to do so..

So you are saying that people who sell stevie/fm boots have no right to do so?? You are RIGHT! Think about that ;-)

[LiquidBlue5000]

Why? If I get the cds in a trade then they are my property right? I can do with them what I please.

then you go right ahead... it's not as if you would respect someone's wishes anyway... do what u want

[MacMan]

then you go right ahead... it's not as if you would respect someone's wishes anyway... do what u want

Torrenting a show is basically the same as trading by snail mail except it's a lot faster. It's an alternate.

[HejiraNYC]

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Okay, what gives anyone the right to claim ownership of any of these recordings in the first place? If you torrent something or trade or whatever, whether it's your master recording, or someone else's master recording, it's ultimately the <b> property of the artist. </b> Period. And if you introduce the recording to the world at large, you should doing so solely for the purpose of "sharing the groove." You should not be doing it if your sole objective is to benefit from it somehow- whether it is to make money, amass additional recordings, etc. The reward should be knowing the pleasure that it gives to other fans of the music you love. And once it is out in the public domain, you have <b>zero</b> control over its disposition. Not only is that appropriate, it is reality. And if anyone thinks they have some kind of god complex over the recordings they made, then they should just keep their f*cking recordings to themselves. I certainly don't want bootleg recordings that have strings attached.

That being said, the beauty of torrents, as already mentioned many times, is that it is a level playing field in which people with zero to overflowing collections can equally enjoy commercially unavailable recordings. At the same time it is a forum for people who want to share, foster and nurture the love for great music selflessly, as it should be. Admittedly, I think the hardcore torrenters get a bit carried away with the "lossy" issue, but that's just a minor quirk in an otherwise great system.

[LiquidBlue5000]

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Okay, what gives anyone the right to claim ownership of any of these recordings in the first place? If you torrent something or trade or whatever, whether it's your master recording, or someone else's master recording, it's ultimately the <b> property of the artist. </b> Period. And if you introduce the recording to the world at large, you should doing so solely for the purpose of "sharing the groove." You should not be doing it if your sole objective is to benefit from it somehow- whether it is to make money, amass additional recordings, etc. The reward should be knowing the pleasure that it gives to other fans of the music you love. And once it is out in the public domain, you have <b>zero</b> control over its disposition. Not only is that appropriate, it is reality. And if anyone thinks they have some kind of god complex over the recordings they made, then they should just keep their f*cking recordings to themselves. I certainly don't want bootleg recordings that have strings attached.

excellent post, bravo!! :xoxo:

[dissention]

Okay, what gives anyone the right to claim ownership of any of these recordings in the first place? If you torrent something or trade or whatever, whether it's your master recording, or someone else's master recording, it's ultimately the <b> property of the artist. </b> Period. And if you introduce the recording to the world at large, you should doing so solely for the purpose of "sharing the groove." You should not be doing it if your sole objective is to benefit from it somehow- whether it is to make money, amass additional recordings, etc. The reward should be knowing the pleasure that it gives to other fans of the music you love. And once it is out in the public domain, you have <b>zero</b> control over its disposition. Not only is that appropriate, it is reality. And if anyone thinks they have some kind of god complex over the recordings they made, then they should just keep their f*cking recordings to themselves. I certainly don't want bootleg recordings that have strings attached.

That being said, the beauty of torrents, as already mentioned many times, is that it is a level playing field in which people with zero to overflowing collections can equally enjoy commercially unavailable recordings. At the same time it is a forum for people who want to share, foster and nurture the love for great music selflessly, as it should be. Admittedly, I think the hardcore torrenters get a bit carried away with the "lossy" issue, but that's just a minor quirk in an otherwise great system.

Excellently put. :nod: You said it all much better than I could have.

[StevieRox2]

Okay, never having torrented myself, how does one go about it and where? I'd love to have the Philly DVD, and not pay the ebayer. :shrug:

[Nightbirdjel]

A. Bit torrents are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've gotten SO MANY kick ass dvds and cds from all kinds of artists from all kinds of eras that I never ever would've known even existed before!! The process was slightly confusing at first, but I figured it out. TRUST ME when I say, if I can learn it ANYONE on the planet can learn it. IT IS WELL WORTH THE "TROUBLE"!!!

B. I guess it's pretty obvious by now there's just not gonna be ANY recent SN dvds torrented anytime this century. Once again I say, I can't afford to buy any and I have nothing to trade that everyone doesn't already have (that is, until I figure out how to convert my VHS stuff to dvd-which will be awhile). As far as trading, even IF I could scrape up postage money I'm not just gonna send it off with some very valuable (to my broke ass) blank dvds to a stranger and just HOPE that person sends me something back. Most of you folks seem to know each other, but I don't. It's just easier for me to download it from a torrent site and leave my window open so others can download it from me. That way I feel like I'm contributing at least in a tiny way.

C. Off topic, but has anyone downloaded the great Tom Petty 1977 Rockpalast DVD from dimeadozen? Jesus God man, it is excellent. He does a rocking version of his "new" song-I Need to Know!! The whole show is amazing and I highly recommend it. Check it out if you're a TP fan! :nod:

[Nightbirdjel]

Okay, never having torrented myself, how does one go about it and where? I'd love to have the Philly DVD, and not pay the ebayer. :shrug:

There is an "instructional" thread in the Rumours section about the torrent thing. That's where I learned how. Just take a deep breath and do one step at a time. If it gets a little overwhelming-it did for me at first-just stop for awhile and come back later. I was a total technophobe until about 2 1/2 years ago. I knew NOTHING about computers, and now here I am torrenting and burning like an old pro! :nod:

[pixiedust]

I Just Received My Copy Of The Philly Show And Am Willing To Send It To Someone If They Want To Make Copies Or Do That Torrent Thing...which I Have No Clue How To Do... :)

[dissention]

C. Off topic, but has anyone downloaded the great Tom Petty 1977 Rockpalast DVD from dimeadozen? Jesus God man, it is excellent. He does a rocking version of his "new" song-I Need to Know!! The whole show is amazing and I highly recommend it. Check it out if you're a TP fan! :nod:

:nod: It's AMAZING. One of my new favorite boots.