Cruise clashes with Lauer on 'Today' show

[dudden22]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/11980135.htm

The transcript from The Today Show.
"Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?

Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/

What an irresponisble idiot. My ex's brother was a paranoid schizophrenic, if only he would have thought about vitamins and exercise. He went off his meds once for a while and started throwing furniture out of his 3rd story window.

[diamondsnake]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/11980135.htm

The transcript from The Today Show.
"Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?

Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/

What an irresponisble idiot. My ex's brother was a paranoid schizophrenic, if only he would have thought about vitamins and exercise. He went off his meds once for a while and started throwing furniture out of his 3rd story window.
Does he know how much of an idiot he seems like to everyone these days? He used to be a somewhat respected actor and now he has turned into this... over the hill media hungry freak.

[dissention]

Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is.

What a bumbling ****tard. :laugh:

Send your kids to Narconon, folks!

[wondergirl9847]

Thanks for the nightmares. Sheebus. Your avatar is giving me the willies!

I do love that movie, but clowns are evil. LOL

Woops, topic....um...yeah, Cruise is nuts.

[dissention]

Thanks for the nightmares. Sheebus. Your avatar is giving me the willies!

I do love that movie, but clowns are evil. LOL

OMG, thanks for pointing it out. :rolleyes: :laugh:

I'm going to have nightmares, too. That's the only movie that gives me the heebie jeebies. I try to tell myself that it's only Tim Curry, but it doesn't work.

[amber]

Yes, yes, Tom Cruise is nuts, he doesn't believe in taking medication, he's gay and so closet, blah blah, etc.

[jannieC]

As I've mentioned before, my husband just spent 6 months in Narconon. I just graduated with a degree in Psychology. I spent an evening arguing Psychology and medication with a staff member at Narconon. It's sick, SICK.

[dudden22]

What a bumbling ****tard. :laugh:



:lol: :laugh: :lol:

I don't know why I found that so amusing, but it gave me a much needed laugh.

[dissention]

I spent an evening arguing Psychology and medication with a staff member at Narconon.

Talk about an effort in futility... :shocked:

I was told flat-out at the "church" in Boston that modern psychology was evil.

[GypsySorcerer]

Thanks for the nightmares. Sheebus. Your avatar is giving me the willies!

I do love that movie, but clowns are evil. LOL

Woops, topic....um...yeah, Cruise is nuts.

Yeah, I noticed it and it freaked me out. :laugh:

[amber]

What a bumbling ****tard. :laugh:

Send your kids to Narconon, folks!
wait - you are scared to drive, don't take aspirin/medicine (?) are scared of planes, will not go to the restroom in public, and, I'm sure other stuff.
I dunno, dude....Pot/Kettle! :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I think we should take a group of schizophrenics and manic depressives, take them off of their medications, and let them go live with Tommy for a while.

[dudden22]

I think we should take a group of schizophrenics and manic depressives, take them off of their medications, and let them go live with Tommy for a while.

:lol: :laugh:

Brooke shields recently said something along the line of "Tom should shut up and stick to saving the world from aliens."

[dissention]

:lol: :laugh:

Brooke shields recently said something along the line of "Tom should shut up and stick to saving the world from aliens."

I love that bitch! :lol: I posted all of her recent comments in another thread, they were hysterical.

"If Tom wants to come see me in Chicago, I've left him two tickets- one adult and one child." :laugh:

[jannieC]

Talk about an effort in futility... :shocked:

I was told flat-out at the "church" in Boston that modern psychology was evil.

According to them, anything can be controlled with the mind and their little machines (but they don't talk about <i>that</i> too much). I guess if you think about it hard enough, you can wish away your delusions and voices. :shrug:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Bruce Hornsby said it best "Up in front for everyone to see, I'm graceful like a bumbling fool.."

[gldstwmn]

What a bumbling ****tard. :laugh:

Send your kids to Narconon, folks!

Did you watch the video? He was twitching all over the place when talking to Lauer about this. He doesn't like psychiatry? Gee, I wonder why?

[wondergirl9847]

wait - you are scared to drive, don't take aspirin/medicine (?) are scared of planes, will not go to the restroom in public, and, I'm sure other stuff.
I dunno, dude....Pot/Kettle! :laugh:


Me either. I HATE driving, don't have my license yet (I'll be 30 next May), hate taking any pills (can't swallow them, gotta chew them. Blergh), hate flying and public restrooms (thank God for the new motion detector stuff LOL).

[amber]

Me either. I HATE driving, don't have my license yet (I'll be 30 next May), hate taking any pills (can't swallow them, gotta chew them. Blergh), hate flying and public restrooms (thank God for the new motion detector stuff LOL).
See? we're all crazy somehow. :shrug:

[dissention]

wait - you are scared to drive, don't take aspirin/medicine (?) are scared of planes, will not go to the restroom in public, and, I'm sure other stuff.
I dunno, dude....Pot/Kettle! :laugh:

I don't even compare to Toothy Cruise. I don't contract strangers to be my beard, nor am I involved in that freaky cult. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

See? we're all crazy somehow. :shrug:My favorite personal saying:
We're all crazy -- some people are just better at hiding it.

[dissention]

My favorite personal saying:
We're all crazy -- some people are just better at hiding it.

I'm not. I wear my craziness loud and proud. Ain't no shame in my game. :laugh:

[amber]

I don't even compare to Toothy Cruise. I don't contract strangers to be my beard, nor am I involved in that freaky cult. :laugh:
True. But if you were set on being a huge movie star in the eighties, might you have had a beard? And don't say you wouldn't, cause how can you know.
Scientology - unfortunate, but...it can't take away from the joy Tom has given me. And what about your girl? She AGREED to be a beard, for success, fame, etc. Just as big a "crime" in my book. At least comparable to Tom's beard needings. And don't say, oh, she would have been just as big without him/that. I'm sure she might have, either way she's very talented and deserves to have been. But she still made that heinous choice, which is not so different than Tom's. :cool: ie, I want to be famous and successful, and I will do what I think I need to do to achieve that.

[dissention]

True. But if you were set on being a huge movie star in the eighties, might you have had a beard? And don't say you wouldn't, cause how can you know.

No, because I like women and men. :laugh: I would never, ever contract someone to pretend to be my lover or spouse. NEVER.

Scientology - unfortunate, but...it can't take away from the joy Tom has given me. And what about your girl? She AGREED to be a beard, for success, fame, etc. Just as big a "crime" in my book. At least comparable to Tom's beard needings. And don't say, oh, she would have been just as big without him/that. I'm sure she might have, either way she's very talented and deserves to have been. But she still made that heinous choice, which is not so different than Tom's. :cool: ie, I want to be famous and successful, and I will do what I think I need to do to achieve that.

His constant touting of Scientology makes him an utter dick in my eyes. That **** is dangerous and the idea that some may get turned onto it because of him is very scary.

No one knows the details of what went on with her and Toothy. Maybe she did marry him to be his beard, maybe he just led her on in the beginning and got her to marry him. No one knows for sure, but we can guess. But we certainly can deduce a lot of things from this current Katie Holmes business. It's as obvious as the color of the sky. If Kidman did marry him to be his beard, that's not a very attractive thing, but at least she doesn't act like a complete and utter fool for the world to look at and laugh at, and she conducts herself with dignity in public. Something Cruise can't do lately, or so it seems.

[SuzeQuze]

According to them, anything can be controlled with the mind and their little machines (but they don't talk about <i>that</i> too much). I guess if you think about it hard enough, you can wish away your delusions and voices. :shrug:

Well, Confuscious said if you try to work on the mind with the mind how can you avoid immense confusion? If your mind is ill then how can you fix it with that sick mind? You can't.

One of my childhood friends became schizophrenic. If she is not on medication she eventually becomes catatonic. After flipping out believing everyone is plotting against her.

[amber]

No, because I like women and men. :laugh: I would never, ever contract someone to pretend to be my lover or spouse. NEVER.



His constant touting of Scientology makes him an utter dick in my eyes. That **** is dangerous and the idea that some may get turned onto it because of him is very scary.

No one knows the details of what went on with her and Toothy. Maybe she did marry him to be his beard, maybe he just led her on in the beginning and got her to marry him. No one knows for sure, but we can guess. But we certainly can deduce a lot of things from this current Katie Holmes business. It's as obvious as the color of the sky. If Kidman did marry him to be his beard, that's not a very attractive thing, but at least she doesn't act like a complete and utter fool for the world to look at and laugh at, and she conducts herself with dignity in public. Something Cruise can't do lately, or so it seems.

Good, yes. I will discount your "I would not hire a beard" thing, because, well, you're not tom cruise in the 80's, or gay. Of course you wouldn't, as many people wouldn't.
Remember, Tom didn't act like a fool either, those other times. I, personally, blame his recent oafishness on psychological pressure, ie, now everyone knows he's supergay, but he feels constricted, like he can't possibly reveal that. Bad? Yes. Ill advised? certainly. But I just feel bad for him. His actions speak of a man in panic, and no one should ever panic because they are gay, in an ideal society.
Your point about Scientology is well taken. But I guess, like any lame religion, he feels it's helped him and wants to share. Whatever with that. :rolleyes: Lame.
Overall, I think he's an ok person, and tries to be. Unfortunately scientology is the foundation for that. :shrug: I agree that people should not be swayed because of what he says about it.
I must say, though, with all the celebrity crap out there, he is refreshing for me. He seems nice, he tries to help people, he is somewhat humble, etc. I know that sounds....pollyanna....but... :shrug: That's just how I feel. :)
For everything he's ever done, this backlash seems very severe.

[dudden22]

For everything he's ever done, this backlash seems very severe.

I think the backlash is so severe because he is acting insane and lashing out at people. He was a complete dick to Lauer, then there was Brooke, then there was Oprah, and Leno. If he is gay he is hurting his career more by the way he is acting now than he would by just coming out.

[amber]

I think the backlash is so severe because he is acting insane and lashing out at people. He was a complete dick to Lauer, then there was Brooke, then there was Oprah, and Leno. If he is gay he is hurting his career more by the way he is acting now than he would by just coming out.
yes, but imagine if you were him. I mean, he's been super nice, super normal, super accomodating for like, what - 30 years? Of course he is hurting his stuff, but do you honestly believe it wouldn't be just as bad for him if he came out?
man in a panic, I tell you. :distress:
Geez! A little empathy? And, I would hardly call that "lashing out". It's like, barely lashing out. Even when that guy sprayed his face with water he was polite. He tried to talk to him, calmly, then all he ended up saying was "you're a jerk"
ooooo, he said "jerk"!!! :rolleyes:
please. Tom Cruise is one of the nicest men in Hollywood, I submit!

[dissention]

Wow, no one posted the best sections of the interview!

Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?

Lauer: The difference is —

Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No. I did not say that.

Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?

Cruise: No. No. Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

Cruise: No, no, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?

Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No. You absolutely can.

Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.

Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

[dissention]

Geez! A little empathy? And, I would hardly call that "lashing out". It's like, barely lashing out.

Watch the video, he was going mental.

Even when that guy sprayed his face with water he was polite. He tried to talk to him, calmly, then all he ended up saying was "you're a jerk"
ooooo, he said "jerk"!!! :rolleyes:
please. Tom Cruise is one of the nicest men in Hollywood, I submit!

No, he physically grabbed the guy.

[amber]

Watch the video, he was going mental.



No, he physically grabbed the guy.
I thought I saw the video? :confused: Didn't see him grab the guy. Did he throw a phone at him? Did he punch him? Cause those who have done so didn't get nearly as much flak. It's only because he's been so nice up till now, that we are shocked by this behavior.
I'm sure he is going a little mental, as would we all if we've been in the Hollywood closet for thirty years.
Whatevs, have your vendettas, I just don't think he deserves it, especially comparatively. :cool:
He's been the poster boy for nice hollywood types for 30 years. Now we're all freaking out cause he displays some normal human emotions. Fine. :shrug:
It's not like he's Courtney Love or Sean Penn. :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

Cruise can't articulate his point because he's been brainwashed and he really doesn't know the reasons behind what's been planted in his mind. I know that sounds extreme but I have seen this phenomenon first hand and it is scary. In The Forum the leader somehow gets people to think that all that has been written in books and throughout history is meaningless. It is very difficult to describe how that happened because it is like you've been in an altered state. It seems like something similar has happened with Tom.

I do feel sorry for him, actually. His meltdown is really sad, I'm scared for him. I wonder if he could get away from those people ever. What they do is first tear you down and then rebuild you up the way they want you. Then you are dependent on them for your self-esteem and sense of worth. It isn't really a religion and that is the saddest part, the whole deception.

Wow, no one posted the best sections of the interview!

Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?

Lauer: The difference is —

Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No. I did not say that.

Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?

Cruise: No. No. Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

Cruise: No, no, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?

Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No. You absolutely can.

Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.

Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

[amber]

Cruise can't articulate his point because he's been brainwashed and he really doesn't know the reasons behind what's been planted in his mind. I know that sounds extreme but I have seen this phenomenon first hand and it is scary. In The Forum the leader somehow gets people to think that all that has been written in books and throughout history is meaningless. It is very difficult to describe how that happened because it is like you've been in an altered state. It seems like something similar has happened with Tom.

I do feel sorry for him, actually. His meltdown is really sad, I'm scared for him. I wonder if he could get away from those people ever. What they do is first tear you down and then rebuild you up the way they want you. Then you are dependent on them for your self-esteem and sense of worth. It isn't really a religion and that is the saddest part, the whole deception.
Yeah, he really misses the ol' boat with the "there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance" thing. :distress:
But still! :D

[dissention]

I thought I saw the video? :confused: Didn't see him grab the guy. Did he throw a phone at him? Did he punch him? Cause those who have done so didn't get nearly as much flak. It's only because he's been so nice up till now, that we are shocked by this behavior.

I didn't know that putting your hands on someone else like that was ever excusable.

I'm sure he is going a little mental, as would we all if we've been in the Hollywood closet for thirty years.
Whatevs, have your vendettas, I just don't think he deserves it, especially comparatively. :cool:
He's been the poster boy for nice hollywood types for 30 years. Now we're all freaking out cause he displays some normal human emotions. Fine. :shrug:
It's not like he's Courtney Love or Sean Penn. :rolleyes:

I don't doubt that he's a nice guy, I think I've said that I think he is a nice guy. But nice man or not, he's turned into a sideshow.

[GateandGarden]

I just got finished watching the video, and if I had any respect for him before, I have zilch now. What an arrogant idiot. As someone said before, he needs to live with someone who's truly mentally ill and off his or her medication. See how well vitamins and exercise work. :mad: It just pissed me off watching him condescend to Lauer like that. I noticed that they stopped showing Katie at that point. I wonder if she was still sitting there with that cute little grin on her face or if she starting feeling uncomfortable that point. That guy needs to shut up. I mean, he has a right to say whatever bull**** he wants to say, but I think someone just needs to politely advise him to can it.

[amber]

I didn't know that putting your hands on someone else like that was ever excusable.



I don't doubt that he's a nice guy, I think I've said that I think he is a nice guy. But nice man or not, he's turned into a sideshow.
kay. I'm just really suprised at everyone's relative vociferousness at condemning him.
No, it's not excusable (do you have the video? I didn't see that part. Did he punch him? Put his hands on his shoulders? what?)
It seems in large proportion to his actual actions, comparatively. And if he is a nice guy, why not weigh that into your opinion? It's hard to be nice for 30 years!!! :laugh: I would spaz out, too. :D I mean, the guy has saved someone's life before. hehehe.

[amber]

I just got finished watching the video, and if I had any respect for him before, I have zilch now. What an arrogant idiot. As someone said before, he needs to live with someone who's truly mentally ill and off his or her medication. See how well vitamins and exercise work. :mad: It just pissed me off watching him condescend to Lauer like that. I noticed that they stopped showing Katie at that point. I wonder if she was still sitting there with that cute little grin on her face or if she starting feeling uncomfortable that point. That guy needs to shut up. I mean, he has a right to say whatever bull**** he wants to say, but I think someone just needs to politely advise him to can it.
where'd you see the video?

[dissention]

I just got finished watching the video, and if I had any respect for him before, I have zilch now. What an arrogant idiot. As someone said before, he needs to live with someone who's truly mentally ill and off his or her medication. See how well vitamins and exercise work. :mad: It just pissed me off watching him condescend to Lauer like that. I noticed that they stopped showing Katie at that point. I wonder if she was still sitting there with that cute little grin on her face or if she starting feeling uncomfortable that point. That guy needs to shut up. I mean, he has a right to say whatever bull**** he wants to say, but I think someone just needs to politely advise him to can it.

My favorite part is when he says that ritalin and anti-depressants are "anti-psychotic drugs." :laugh:

[heyjupiter678]

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Yeah, I'd say he looks a bit unhinged. :shocked:

[dissention]

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Yeah, I'd say he looks a bit unhinged. :shocked:

Watch the whole video if you haven't, it's a riot!

[amber]

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Yeah, I'd say he looks a bit unhinged. :shocked:
he's just adamant and passionate about his beliefs... :)

[amber]

Watch the whole video if you haven't, it's a riot!
Link? site? :confused:
gurg, you guys are making me sick. He's obviously having a hard time.

[GateandGarden]

where'd you see the video?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/

[GateandGarden]

My favorite part is when he says that ritalin and anti-depressants are "anti-psychotic drugs." :laugh:Yeah, I was like WTF? :laugh:

[dissention]

he's just adamant and passionate about his beliefs... :)

Read Entertainment Weekly lately? His beliefs are apparently based on misinformation. He claims that Carl Jung was a Nazi and that psychiatry is "a Nazi science." :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

he's just adamant and passionate about his beliefs... :)So are Christian fundamentalists. And they are some of the most annoying and infuritating people on the planet, or at least in my world, which has a slew of them.

[GateandGarden]

Read Entertainment Weekly lately? His beliefs are apparently based on misinformation. He claims that Carl Jung was a Nazi and that psychiatry is "a Nazi science." :laugh:I hadn't heard that. F*cking moron.

(Sorry. I'm in a bad mood tonight if you can't tell. :laugh: )

[amber]

I hadn't heard that. F*cking moron.

(Sorry. I'm in a bad mood tonight if you can't tell. :laugh: )
It's okay. I'm sure you've never had to deal with the pain of hiding your supergayness. :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

It's okay. I'm sure you've never had to deal with the pain of hiding your supergayness. :xoxo::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




Okay, you are being UBER sarcastic, right? :lol:

[amber]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




Okay, you are being UBER sarcastic, right? :lol:
No.
I think he should be cut some slack.

[dissention]

It's okay. I'm sure you've never had to deal with the pain of hiding your supergayness. :xoxo:

Hiding his queeniness has nothing to do with his uninformed and idiotic statements about prescription drugs and psychiatry. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

No.
I think he should be cut some slack.I thought you were saying that sarcastically because I have had to hide my homosexuality for years and still am hiding it from many people.

But then I guess you weren't thinking about it like that because you think he's straight. :laugh: You and my brother. My brother also doesn't think he's a homophobe and that he's only fairly ignorant (not completely and utterly ignorant) for his comments on mental illness.

[strandinthewind]

Hiding his queeniness has nothing to do with his uninformed and idiotic statements about prescription drugs and psychiatry. :laugh:

If I can just remind you that it was not that long ago when you were preaching that Rx drugs were bad, evil, and that you were loathe to take them, etc. How is what Tom Cruise said any different than that. I think he was pointing out the over use of them rather than the effect they have. I say on MSNBC tonight that 80% of those in psychotherapy are also given drugs - that is scary.

But, I do think Mr. Cruise has no business even alluding to being a doctor.

[amber]

I thought you were saying that sarcastically because I have had to hide my homosexuality for years and still am hiding it from many people.

But then I guess you weren't thinking about it like that because you think he's straight. :laugh: You and my brother. My brother also doesn't think he's a homophobe and that he's only fairly ignorant (not completely and utterly ignorant) for his comments on mental illness.

No, I think he's gay. That's what I was saying. I think he is having a hard time. I thought you might understand that aspect. I disagree with his points about medication and mental illness. But I do not think he should be universally villified for his recent behavior.

[amber]

If I can just remind you that it was not that long ago when you were preaching that Rx drugs were bad, evil, and that you were loathe to take them, etc. How is what Tom Cruise said any different than that. I think he was pointing out the over use of them rather than the effect they have. I say on MSNBC tonight that 80% of those in psychotherapy are also given drugs - that is scary.

But, I do think Mr. Cruise has no business even alluding to being a doctor.
Right. I think he is wrong about allluding to be a doctor, but I think he is just expressing what he believes, and, lo, many people think taking prescription drugs is wrong. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

No, I think he's gay. That's what I was saying. I think he is having a hard time. I thought you might understand that aspect. I disagree with his points about medication and mental illness. But I do not think he should be universally villified for his recent behavior.


I think many people love to attack him because they cannot stand his success - whatever. I think he is okay and I like his movies. I also think that 99.9% of the time he is great with his fans and goes out of his way to make them feel special. That he may have grabbed the guy who sprayed water in his face, well who here would have just walked away without comment. I suggest none of us would have do so. So, I cannot really fauly him for that.

[dissention]

If I can just remind you that it was not that long ago when you were preaching that Rx drugs were bad, evil, and that you were loathe to take them, etc. How is what Tom Cruise said any different than that. I think he was pointing out the over use of them rather than the effect they have. I say on MSNBC tonight that 80% of those in psychotherapy are also given drugs - that is scary.

But, I do think Mr. Cruise has no business even alluding to being a doctor.

Have you watched the entire video? It doesn't sound like it and your interpretation of what he's saying does not gell with the Church of Scientology one bit. My views on prescription drugs couldn't be more different than his. He thinks they're completely evil and that psychiatry is wrong, which is the foundation of Scientology. I do not. I think that prescription drugs do help people, but I also think that the drug industry practically forcefeeds them to make money and also keeps people sick in order for them to keep taking the drugs. I don't take them and it's my choice. Unlike him, I'm not oblivious to the fact that many drugs work and help people. If I agree with anyone, it's Matt Lauer.

[dissention]

But I do not think he should be universally villified for his recent behavior.

No, I think he should be villified for his statements regarding Scientology, psychiatry, and anti-depressants. The stuff he's saying is dangerous. Telling people to take vitamins and exercise instead of getting professional help? Give me a ****ing break. :laugh:

[amber]

I think many people love to attack him because they cannot stand his success - whatever. I think he is okay and I like his movies. I also think that 99.9% of the time he is great with his fans and goes out of his way to make them feel special. That he may have grabbed the guy who sprayed water in his face, well who here would have just walked away without comment. I suggest none of us would have do so. So, I cannot really fauly him for that.
I agree. And I think that people faulting him right now is in exorbitant proportion to what he has actually been, throughout the scope of his life.
Have you watched the entire video? It doesn't sound like it and your interpretation of what he's saying does not gell with the Church of Scientology one bit. My views on prescription drugs couldn't be more different than his. He thinks they're completely evil and that psychiatry is wrong, which is the foundation of Scientology. I do not. I think that prescription drugs do help people, but I also think that the drug industry practically forcefeeds them to make money and also keeps people sick in order for them to keep taking the drugs. I don't take them and it's my choice. Unlike him, I'm not oblivious to the fact that many drugs work and help people.
I have not seen the video, I dl'd flashplayer 7, but it still would not let me watch. I disagree, though, with his religious points, for the most part. :shrug: but I do not think TC is Evil. I think the reaction to what he is doing is "way out of proportion" :shrug:

[dissention]

I think the reaction to what he is doing is "way out of proportion" :shrug:

I don't think the reaction to his statements regarding Scientology and psychiatric medicine is strong enough, personally. I don't understand why people are outraged over his Oprah appearance and his water incident and not this stuff. He's pushing a cult down the throats of millions and passing it off as a religion all the while, and simultaneously condemning the kind of professional treatment that helps people all over the world. It's disgusting.

[amber]

No, I think he should be villified for his statements regarding Scientology, psychiatry, and anti-depressants. The stuff he's saying is dangerous. Telling people to take vitamins and exercise instead of getting professional help? Give me a ****ing break. :laugh:
Maybe. Yes, in fact. Although, all people should exercise and take vitamins. :p
But the rest, the rest of the backlash, is just too much, IMO. So he believes in some weird sh**. Can't it be taken with the rest of hollywood that believes in weird sh**? Y'all are so....Angry!!!
Actually, what I object to the most is people universally denouncing all he's ever done.
But, I have to concede, and I think I've done so before, that his take on prescription drugs and psychiatry is less than desireable. But if that's his worst fault? While he thinks he's helping people? Not so heinous, IMO. I mean, he's obviously not a super A-hole, but people are talking like he is.

[GateandGarden]

No, I think he's gay. That's what I was saying. I think he is having a hard time. I thought you might understand that aspect. I disagree with his points about medication and mental illness. But I do not think he should be universally villified for his recent behavior.Okay. I didn't realize that you really did think he's gay. But I tend to think he should be villified for his comments. How do you think all of that sounds to the genuinely mentally ill, of which there certainly are many. The ones I know are not appreciating him at all right now.

[GateandGarden]

Maybe. Yes, in fact. Although, all people should exercise and take vitamins. :p
But the rest, the rest of the backlash, is just too much, IMO. So he believes in some weird sh**. Can't it be taken with the rest of hollywood that believes in weird sh**? Y'all are so....Angry!!!
Actually, what I object to the most is people universally denouncing all he's ever done.
But, I have to concede, and I think I've done so before, that his take on prescription drugs and psychiatry is less than desireable. But if that's his worst fault? While he thinks he's helping people? Not so heinous, IMO. I mean, he's obviously not a super A-hole, but people are talking like he is.Just because someone means well doesn't excuse things, IMO. Pat Robertson means well, I think.

Plus, I don't think he's much of an actor, so that's another criticism I have that's unrelated to the ignorant comments and repressed homosexuality and such.

[amber]

Okay. I didn't realize that you really did think he's gay. But I tend to think he should be villified for his comments. How do you think all of that sounds to the genuinely mentally ill, of which there certainly are many. The ones I know are not appreciating him at all right now.

Yes, that's fine. *sigh* I don't like scientology or lame comments about mental illness, either. But I also don't like random and sudden hatred about someone who has, by most accounts, been a good person and given us lots of good movie joy, just because he is going crazy about being gay. :( *sigh* I give up. While others will continue to say nasty things about Tom Cruise, I will follow, and mentally think he is wrong about the things he is wrong about, while also giving him props about his work, and being the stand up guy he is.
I concede!!!!
and I wish Tom peace with his struggles. :angel:

[strandinthewind]

Yes, that's fine. *sigh* I don't like scientology or lame comments about mental illness, either. But I also don't like random and sudden hatred about someone who has, by most accounts, been a good person and given us lots of good movie joy, just because he is going crazy about being gay. :( *sigh* I give up. While others will continue to say nasty things about Tom Cruise, I will follow, and mentally think he is wrong about the things he is wrong about, while also giving him props about his work, and being the stand up guy he is.
I concede!!!!
and I wish Tom peace with his struggles. :angel:


But, people are almost persecuting him for his beliefs in Scientology. He talks about Scientology when reporters ask him about it. Then, they start to argue with him over it. I mean imagine the outrage if a Christian reporter challenged a Muslim on their beliefs while discussing a current action movie starring the Muslim. This is not that different.

[amber]

But, people are almost persecuting him for his beliefs in Scientology. He talks about Scientology when reporters ask him about it. Then, they start to argue with him over it. I mean imagine the outrage if a Christian reporter challenged a Muslim on their beliefs while discussing a current action movie starring the Muslim. This is not that different.
I know. I know. :( Except he's a movie star, not a random religion guy. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

But, people are almost persecuting him for his beliefs in Scientology. He talks about Scientology when reporters ask him about it. Then, they start to argue with him over it. I mean imagine the outrage if a Christian reporter challenged a Muslim on their beliefs while discussing a current action movie starring the Muslim. This is not that different.I think he's promoting ideas that are harmful to people. Merely professing to be a Christian or Muslim and practicing that faith does not, by any means, indicate that you are doing that. He sounds like a fundamentalist. I would criticize Dobson for promoting intolerance whether he was in a movie or not.

[strandinthewind]

I think he's promoting ideas that are harmful to people. Merely professing to be a Christian or Muslim and practicing that faith does not, by any means, indicate that you are doing that. He sounds like a fundamentalist. I would criticize Dobson for promoting intolerance whether he was in a movie or not.



Well, I know that, but my point was he is not the one bringing all of this up to any significant extent. The reporters are bringing it up and he is commenting on what he believes, which any other person would do. So, they are going after him a bit on this and I think that is unfair.

[dissention]

But, people are almost persecuting him for his beliefs in Scientology. He talks about Scientology when reporters ask him about it. Then, they start to argue with him over it. I mean imagine the outrage if a Christian reporter challenged a Muslim on their beliefs while discussing a current action movie starring the Muslim. This is not that different.

I agree, but it still doesn't excuse how dangerous and uninformed his statements are. They're coming out of his mouth, regardless if he's being asked or not, and he needs to take responsibility for any uproar or controversy they may provoke. He doesn't seem like a total fool, he knows full well how Scientology is viewed by many and he knows full well that it's classified as a cult in too many countries to count. He must know that the Church of Scientology has their members sign a contract that says the Church can inflict bodily harm against them. He must know that they operated glorified concentration camps in European countries. If he wants to discuss these things, do it. But do it in a better way than saying Scientology is right, psychiatry is evil, just take vitamins and exercise and all will be well with you. He's glorifying it and that's dangerous, imo.

[dissention]

Well, I know that, but my point was he is not the one bringing all of this up to any significant extent. The reporters are bringing it up and he is commenting on what he believes, which any other person would do. So, they are going after him a bit on this and I think that is unfair.

The last time I checked, no one is forcing him to make these statements. No one is forcing him to be so inarticulate about them, either. No one came out and asked him what he thought about Brooke Shields and her use of Paxil, he went after her all by himself. Hopefully he saw a video of his appearance on Today and will be a bit wiser when being asked such things the next time around.

[strandinthewind]

I agree, but it still doesn't excuse how dangerous and uninformed his statements are. They're coming out of his mouth, regardless if he's being asked or not, and he needs to take responsibility for any uproar or controversy they may provoke. He doesn't seem like a total fool, he knows full well how Scientology is viewed by many and he knows full well that it's classified as a cult in too many countries to count. He must know that the Church of Scientology has their members sign a contract that says the Church can inflict bodily harm against them. He must know that they operated glorified concentration camps in European countries. If he wants to discuss these things, do it. But do it in a better way than saying Scientology is right, psychiatry is evil, just take vitamins and exercise and all will be well with you. He's glorifying it and that's dangerous, imo.

I agree with you in the sense that he should own anything resulting from his posting his beliefs. I guess my point is who would be dumb enough to stop taking medicine because Tom Cruise says to do so - but I suppose such sheep exist, which is far scarier than anything coming out of Tom Cruise's mouth.

[gldstwmn]

.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.



When he said this his sincerity was so forced, I almost burst out laughing.

[dudden22]

When he said this his sincerity was so forced, I almost burst out laughing.

Well in another quote he said the same thing, but added "look where her career has gone"

[gldstwmn]

My favorite part is when he says that ritalin and anti-depressants are "anti-psychotic drugs." :laugh:

I caught that too. :laugh:

[dissention]

I agree with you in the sense that he should own anything resulting from his posting his beliefs. I guess my point is who would be dumb enough to stop taking medicine because Tom Cruise says to do so - but I suppose such sheep exist, which is far scarier than anything coming out of Tom Cruise's mouth.

I don't think many are going to stop taking prescription drugs cold turkey because Toothy Cruise said so. But I do think his comments are going to spark an interest in some people who do take drugs or see psychiatrists, and that may lead to involvement with the cult that is Scientology. That's what I think is dangerous about all of it.

[dissention]

We'll in another quote he said the same thing, but added "look where her career has gone"

Yup.

"I love Brooke Shields, but let me ask you, where has her career gone?"

:laugh: Bumbling ****tard.

[dudden22]

I guess my point is who would be dumb enough to stop taking medicine because Tom Cruise says to do so - but I suppose such sheep exist, which is far scarier than anything coming out of Tom Cruise's mouth.


Yes it is, but the people dumb enough to stop taking medicine because TC says to do so are the ones who probably need to be on it the most. Many of them, like bi-polar patients, look for excuses and reasons to not take their meds. For the record I do not think they are dumb, just mentally ill, and can be easily influenced when it comes to these issues.

[gldstwmn]

We'll in another quote he said the same thing, but added "look where her career has gone"

To which I wanted to reply, "Put her in one of your movies, Tom." :rolleyes:

[dissention]

To which I wanted to reply, "Put her in one of your movies, Tom." :rolleyes:

:laugh:

Yeah, really. If she ever runs into him, I predict the mother of all bitchslaps.

[GateandGarden]

:laugh:

Yeah, really. If she ever runs into him, I predict the mother of all bitchslaps.Has she made any public comments in reference to his comments about her?

[dissention]

Has she made any public comments in reference to his comments about her?


YES!

She said he should stick to saving the world from aliens (which is a big thing in Scientology) instead of dispensing such advice. And then she said my personal favorite:

"If Tom wants to come see me in Chicago, I've left him two tickets- one adult and one child."

[GateandGarden]

YES!

She said he should stick to saving the world from aliens (which is a big thing in Scientology) instead of dispensing such advice. And then she said my personal favorite:

"If Tom wants to come see me in Chicago, I've left him two tickets- one adult and one child.":laugh::lol::laugh::lol::laugh:

That's great! I hadn't seen those! (obviously) :lol:

[amber]

Yup.

"I love Brooke Shields, but let me ask you, where has her career gone?"

:laugh: Bumbling ****tard.
Where has it gone?

[amber]

To which I wanted to reply, "Put her in one of your movies, Tom." :rolleyes:
Well, at least she'd have something. :) That would actually be very nice of him.

[amber]

YES!

She said he should stick to saving the world from aliens (which is a big thing in Scientology) instead of dispensing such advice. And then she said my personal favorite:

"If Tom wants to come see me in Chicago, I've left him two tickets- one adult and one child."
She must not realize Katie is 24 yrs old, far into an adult. :)

[amber]

Yes it is, but the people dumb enough to stop taking medicine because TC says to do so are the ones who probably need to be on it the most. Many of them, like bi-polar patients, look for excuses and reasons to not take their meds. For the record I do not think they are dumb, just mentally ill, and can be easily influenced when it comes to these issues.
Then they are lamos, aren't they? Ah, Darwin at work. :)

[dudden22]

Then they are lamos, aren't they? Ah, Darwin at work. :)

No, not lamos at all. They are sick!!!

[amber]

No, not lamos at all. They are sick!!!
either way. :) If you are taking life advice from Tom Cruise....

[Moony]

I just got finished watching the video, and if I had any respect for him before, I have zilch now. What an arrogant idiot. As someone said before, he needs to live with someone who's truly mentally ill and off his or her medication. See how well vitamins and exercise work. :mad: It just pissed me off watching him condescend to Lauer like that. I noticed that they stopped showing Katie at that point. I wonder if she was still sitting there with that cute little grin on her face or if she starting feeling uncomfortable that point. That guy needs to shut up. I mean, he has a right to say whatever bull**** he wants to say, but I think someone just needs to politely advise him to can it.
I agree.

I'm so incredibly disgusted with that man...if I were Matt Lauer, I would have punched Tom in his f*cking face.

[Moony]

Much love, Justin.

:xoxo:

[goldie]

I used to think Tom was an OK guy, now I totally hate him. He's brainwashed and clueless. Run, Katie, Run!!!!!

[GateandGarden]

Dear Mr. Cruise,

I write you because of your recent comments regarding mentally ill persons, psychiatry, prescription drugs and "anti-psychotic drugs." While I respect your passionate beliefs, I must disagree with them.

Some psychiatrists are good, some psychiatrists are bad. Just like people in any other profession (Good actress: Katie Holmes...Bad actress: Nicole Kidman). [;)] While there are unscrupulous things occurring within the pharmaceutical industry, making a blanket statement that all medications used to treat mental illness (or "anti-psychotic drugs," in your words) are harmful is incorrect and potentially harmful. You are not a certified doctor of any degree. Such medications can do far more than "mask" the problem. Chemical imbalances do indeed exist.

I am lucky enough to have a wonderful psychiatrist at this point. Before him, I saw three psychiatric doctors who did not fit my needs. I have been put on the wrong medications, too much or too little of medications, in the past. Upon taking any medication I have always researced the drug in question thoroughly. For me, a combination of therapy and medications works best. I still have my quirks and problems...the best analogy I can present to you is this: life for me without "anti-psychotic drugs" is akin to walking a tightrope when you're in a wheelchair. Life with the proper medications can be likened to walking a tightrope with a safety net underneath, walking normally.

In short, I am an informed individual who has made my own decisions regarding treatment of my problems. Please, in the future when you are speaking out against such "evils," do not assume that you are supremely knowledgable and most others are ignorant. Good day!

Regards,

Justin

P.S. A Ms. Amber Ghidossi is your biggest fan and supporter. Please pay her a visit. :nod:


Hm...That was probably my most pointless post ever! I just know I will regret it tomorrow morning. :laugh:
Brilliance, Justin! :) That P.S. at the end is so funny, too! :laugh:

No post from you is a pointless one.

[GODDESS6]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/11980135.htm

The transcript from The Today Show.
"Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?

Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/

What an irresponisble idiot. My ex's brother was a paranoid schizophrenic, if only he would have thought about vitamins and exercise. He went off his meds once for a while and started throwing furniture out of his 3rd story window.
i now have lost total respect for tom in this~ i mean he speaks as if he's an expert, c'mon dude you are an actor not a dr~ & he looked like an idiot on the TODAY show spewing forth, his "opinions", not facts~ i am still pissed about what he said about brooke sheilds & her post pardom depression~ "hey tom stick to what you know best, movies & robbing the cradle" :shrug: :lol: :shrug: ~

[trackaghost]

I think it's quite interesting to read about the origins of scientology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

"Other important teachings that even new Scientologists are likely to encounter include the existence of "suppressive persons", whose destructive actions can directly impede the Scientologist's progress, and the evils of psychiatry: Scientology says "psychs" have caused us grave problems for millions of years"

Thus Tom's recent remarks.

This is interesting too:

"Those that reach the higher teachings (OT III) within the Church of Scientology will learn all about Xenu, the evil intergalactic ruler who implanted "thetans" or alien spirits, in earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago, after which they escaped and invaded human bodies. The ultimate belief of Scientology is that you are possessed by the spirits of aliens murdered 75 million years ago by "Xenu" and you have to exorcise these spirits. The cost of reaching OT III approaches $360,000."

[GateandGarden]

"Those that reach the higher teachings (OT III) within the Church of Scientology will learn all about Xenu, the evil intergalactic ruler who implanted "thetans" or alien spirits, in earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago, after which they escaped and invaded human bodies. The ultimate belief of Scientology is that you are possessed by the spirits of aliens murdered 75 million years ago by "Xenu" and you have to exorcise these spirits. The cost of reaching OT III approaches $360,000.":lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I actually read a website at some point that discussed only the innocuous aspects of the cult. This stuff at wikipedia is priceless. :lol:

[trackaghost]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I actually read a website at some point that discussed only the innocuous aspects of the cult. This stuff at wikipedia is priceless. :lol:


I would read your remarks but I'm too busy trying to exorcise my thetan spirit. Anyone have $360,000?
:lol::lol:

These celebrity endorsements have made me think twice about scientology:


http://www.able.org/pages/celebs.php#tc

Hmmm...

[GateandGarden]

I would read your remarks but I'm too busy trying to exorcise my thetan spirit. Anyone have $360,000?
:lol::lol:Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to interupt. :lol:

These celebrity endorsements have made me think twice about scientology:


http://www.able.org/pages/celebs.php#tc

Hmmm...Hmmm...those are not people from whom I generally take advice anyway.

[trackaghost]

Hmmm...those are not people from whom I generally take advice anyway.


Exactly. I just hope someone who actually needs medication refuses it because they are swayed by Cruise's ramblings :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

:laugh: Psychiatry has not even existed for millions of years. I have an idea, let's make up our own Ledgie religion! We can make it all up, become tax exempt, and also rich! :rolleyes:

Tom was so condescending to Lauer "Matt Matt Matt, you don't know I know." How arrogant. Tell us what you know Tom, tell us! "Well, you see, millions of years ago the aliens planted..." What a bunch of crazy bullsh*t. I think L Ron Hubbard was likely schizo.

[jannieC]

The dangerous part of Tom's statements, in my opinion, is his view that Scientology is the one and only way to "cure" substance abuse. I wonder how he would feel if he did a surprise visit to a couple of Narconons. One where they wouldn't have time to "clean" everything up because he was coming.

When you are in the public eye, celebrity, whatever, you do hold a certain responsibility to the people who pay attention to you. That doesn't mean you have to be a perfect person, but if you're going to talk about very important things, like medication and mental illness, you should really know what the hell you're talking about. I'm so disgusted with him and I can't understand why he won't just shut the **** up. I guess it's so people like us can talk about him. Gah, he makes me ill.

[dissention]

Where has it gone?

That's not the point. The actual point he was trying to make was that her career went nowhere because she wasn't on the right spiritual track and that her involvement with psychiatry and anti-depression medication was a part of it. And I would hardly claim her career went nowhere, she's a household name who had a popular sitcom, made lots of movies, was a model, and is now starring in a hit show on Broadway. If he was comparing her career to his, well, yeah, she went nowhere, but how many have had careers like his?

[dissention]

This is interesting too:

"Those that reach the higher teachings (OT III) within the Church of Scientology will learn all about Xenu, the evil intergalactic ruler who implanted "thetans" or alien spirits, in earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago, after which they escaped and invaded human bodies. The ultimate belief of Scientology is that you are possessed by the spirits of aliens murdered 75 million years ago by "Xenu" and you have to exorcise these spirits. The cost of reaching OT III approaches $360,000."

They carry quarters for when the aliens come to get them to bring them into space. The quarters are for the cost of the ride into space. :laugh:

[dissention]

I think L Ron Hubbard was likely schizo.

No, he was a very smart man who didn't believe any fo the actual stuff he came up with. He admitted publicly that it was all a sham in order for him to get more tax breaks. :laugh:

You should read Dianetics, it's PRICELESS.

[dissention]

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/tom-cruise-david-miscavige.jpg

[Dreammms]

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/tom-cruise-david-miscavige.jpg


:lol: :laugh: :lol: holy ****!!!!

wow he is annoying!

[jannieC]

No, he was a very smart man who didn't believe any fo the actual stuff he came up with. He admitted publicly that it was all a sham in order for him to get more tax breaks. :laugh:


Do you remember where you saw this?

[dissention]

Do you remember where you saw this?

Operation Clambake (http://www.xenu.net) is the BEST site out there with all the information you'll ever need. It even has scans of the contracts that say they can inflict bodily harm against you, kidnap you, and isolate you. The clams have been trying to shut that site down for ten years.

[DrummerDeanna]

So I'm confused - how the hell did Matt Lauer and Tom Cruise end up talking about anti-depressants anyway?? I thought Cruise was there to promote War of the Worlds :laugh: :shrug:

I gotta say I was quite alarmed at the video of Lauer and Cruise...:eek:

[amber]

Dear Mr. Cruise,

I write you because of your recent comments regarding mentally ill persons, psychiatry, prescription drugs and "anti-psychotic drugs." While I respect your passionate beliefs, I must disagree with them.

Some psychiatrists are good, some psychiatrists are bad. Just like people in any other profession (Good actress: Katie Holmes...Bad actress: Nicole Kidman). [;)] While there are unscrupulous things occurring within the pharmaceutical industry, making a blanket statement that all medications used to treat mental illness (or "anti-psychotic drugs," in your words) are harmful is incorrect and potentially harmful. You are not a certified doctor of any degree. Such medications can do far more than "mask" the problem. Chemical imbalances do indeed exist.

I am lucky enough to have a wonderful psychiatrist at this point. Before him, I saw three psychiatric doctors who did not fit my needs. I have been put on the wrong medications, too much or too little of medications, in the past. Upon taking any medication I have always researced the drug in question thoroughly. For me, a combination of therapy and medications works best. I still have my quirks and problems...the best analogy I can present to you is this: life for me without "anti-psychotic drugs" is akin to walking a tightrope when you're in a wheelchair. Life with the proper medications can be likened to walking a tightrope with a safety net underneath, walking normally.

In short, I am an informed individual who has made my own decisions regarding treatment of my problems. Please, in the future when you are speaking out against such "evils," do not assume that you are supremely knowledgable and most others are ignorant. Good day!

Regards,

Justin

P.S. A Ms. Amber Ghidossi is your biggest fan and supporter. Please pay her a visit. :nod:


Hm...That was probably my most pointless post ever! I just know I will regret it tomorrow morning. :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup:
add "please pick her up in one of your planes. We'll be going to the gay bar by her house. Hope you don't mind" :laugh:

[Violet]

Here's an interesting article on how they deal with psychiatric issues. I remember this Lisa McPherson case going on when I lived in Clearwater. And downtown Clearwater is full of the nutbag, uniform-wearing, clipboard-carrying Scientologists. They have taken over so much of downtown Clearwater (their "spiritual mecca") over the years.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/29/Tampabay/Scientologists_settle.shtml

Hopefully this link works.

Carol

[sodascouts]

I apologize if this has been posted in another thread, but I found this impression by Dane Cooke of Tom Cruise on Oprah hilarious:

http://gorillamask.net/cookkimmel.shtml

[Serrart]

Good, yes. I will discount your "I would not hire a beard" thing, because, well, you're not tom cruise in the 80's, or gay. Of course you wouldn't, as many people wouldn't.
Remember, Tom didn't act like a fool either, those other times. I, personally, blame his recent oafishness on psychological pressure, ie, now everyone knows he's supergay, but he feels constricted, like he can't possibly reveal that. Bad? Yes. Ill advised? certainly. But I just feel bad for him. His actions speak of a man in panic, and no one should ever panic because they are gay, in an ideal society.
Your point about Scientology is well taken. But I guess, like any lame religion, he feels it's helped him and wants to share. Whatever with that. :rolleyes: Lame.
Overall, I think he's an ok person, and tries to be. Unfortunately scientology is the foundation for that. :shrug: I agree that people should not be swayed because of what he says about it.
I must say, though, with all the celebrity crap out there, he is refreshing for me. He seems nice, he tries to help people, he is somewhat humble, etc. I know that sounds....pollyanna....but... :shrug: That's just how I feel. :)
For everything he's ever done, this backlash seems very severe.

He could talk about Scientology everytime he wants, I don't really care but when you go on National TV saying that psychiatry hasn't any value, and that he knows its history (I really doubt it, especially after the the Adolophine incident), when there are still so many mental illnesses that can be cured till now, unfortunately only through medicines, I think it's absolutely irresponsible. Especially if there's somewhere some young severely depressed Cruise fan who's under a cure and decides abruptly to stop it.

Romy

[GODDESS6]

I apologize if this has been posted in another thread, but I found this impression by Dane Cooke of Tom Cruise on Oprah hilarious:

http://gorillamask.net/cookkimmel.shtml
omg, i soooooooo enjoyed this :thumbsup: :wavey: :thumbsup: , i was laughing so hard i was crying!!! :] ~

[Violet]

I apologize if this has been posted in another thread, but I found this impression by Dane Cooke of Tom Cruise on Oprah hilarious:

http://gorillamask.net/cookkimmel.shtml

OMG...too funny! :laugh: :blob2:

[wondergirl9847]

Thanks for that link! I saw Dane on Jimmy Kimmel that night and that was too hilarious. I need to watch the other clips of him....I'm cryin' over here!

"When you go in the restroom, why is everything always wet?!" :laugh:

[dissention]

OMG. :lol:

http://www.perezhilton.com/topics/katie_holmes/this_is_not_about_tom_cruise_really_20050625.php#comments

[Johnny Stew]

I have an idea, let's make up our own Ledgie religion! We can make it all up, become tax exempt, and also rich! :rolleyes:I think Ledgianity could fly!

The Ten Commandments Of Ledgianity

10. Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Bootlegs (unless they're willing to do a B&P trade!)
9. Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Fleetwood Mac (so no gossiping about their love lives, unless you have pictures to prove it!)
8. Thou Shall Not Steal Stevie's Look, Lindsey's Hairdo or Christine's Accent
7. Thou Shall Commit Adultery (hey, if it's good enough for Fleetwood Mac...!)
6. Thou Shall Not Slay Billy, Rick, Dave or Bekka
5. Honor Thy Founding Fathers Of Fleetwood Mac (yes, even Mick)
4. Remember Fleetwood Mac Day And Keep It Holy (it's October 10th, if you didn't already know -- but you better have already known!)
3. Thou Shall Not Take In Vain The Name Of Any Fleetwood Mac Member
2. THIS SPACE FOR WEEKLY RENT (Well, we have to pay for the Church somehow)
1. Thou Shall Put No Other Rock Gods Before Fleetwood Mac

Ok, yeah, I have waaaay too much time on my hands tonight. :o

[dissention]

I think Ledgianity could fly!

The Ten Commandments Of Ledgianity

10. Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Bootlegs (unless they're willing to do a B&P trade!)
9. Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Fleetwood Mac (so no gossiping about their love lives, unless you have pictures to prove it!)
8. Thou Shall Not Steal Stevie's Look, Lindsey's Hairdo or Christine's Accent
7. Thou Shall Commit Adultery (hey, if it's good enough for Fleetwood Mac...!)
6. Thou Shall Not Slay Billy, Rick, Dave or Bekka
5. Honor Thy Founding Fathers Of Fleetwood Mac (yes, even Mick)
4. Remember Fleetwood Mac Day And Keep It Holy (it's October 10th, if you didn't already know -- but you better have already known!)
3. Thou Shall Not Take In Vain The Name Of Any Fleetwood Mac Member
2. THIS SPACE FOR WEEKLY RENT (Well, we have to pay for the Church somehow)
1. Thou Shall Put No Other Rock Gods Before Fleetwood Mac

Ok, yeah, I have waaaay too much time on my hands tonight. :o

I can see Cruise shoving it down the throats of millions already! :thumbsup:

[Johnny Stew]

I can see Cruise shoving it down the throats of millions already! :thumbsup:On the plus side, he'd sound far saner discussing Ledgianity than he does when espousing his Scientology rhetoric! :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I think Ledgianity could fly!

The Ten Commandments Of Ledgianity

10. Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Bootlegs (unless they're willing to do a B&P trade!)
9. Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Fleetwood Mac (so no gossiping about their love lives, unless you have pictures to prove it!)
8. Thou Shall Not Steal Stevie's Look, Lindsey's Hairdo or Christine's Accent
7. Thou Shall Commit Adultery (hey, if it's good enough for Fleetwood Mac...!)
6. Thou Shall Not Slay Billy, Rick, Dave or Bekka
5. Honor Thy Founding Fathers Of Fleetwood Mac (yes, even Mick)
4. Remember Fleetwood Mac Day And Keep It Holy (it's October 10th, if you didn't already know -- but you better have already known!)
3. Thou Shall Not Take In Vain The Name Of Any Fleetwood Mac Member
2. THIS SPACE FOR WEEKLY RENT (Well, we have to pay for the Church somehow)
1. Thou Shall Put No Other Rock Gods Before Fleetwood Mac


Ok, yeah, I have waaaay too much time on my hands tonight. :o
Man, I am already going to hell. First off, I don't usually honor Mick these days though I do honor the primary founder--Peter. And I have taken Stevie's name in vain. Sometimes I say "Oh my Stevie" rather than "Oh my God." :laugh:

You know, I think it rocks that October 10th is FM day, October 11th is National Coming Out Day, and October 12th is my birthday! :]

[Johnny Stew]

Man, I am already going to hell. First off, I don't usually honor Mick these days though I do honor the primary founder--Peter. And I have taken Stevie's name in vain. Sometimes I say "Oh my Stevie" rather than "Oh my God." :laugh:That's all right, Hillary... all is forgiven as long as you go to confession.
In fact, we're going to have to build dissy his very own private confessional, so he won't always be tying up the other booth! :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

That's all right, Hillary... all is forgiven as long as you go to confession.
In fact, we're going to have to build dissy his very own private confessional, so he won't always be tying up the other booth! :laugh::laugh::lol::lol::laugh:

[dissention]

http://www.rosie.com/2005/06/25/oprah-hermes/

after watching tom on o and then everywhere else
in the free world i think i may need to up my meds

shout out to brooke
stand tall girl
u saved a lot of women
by telling ur truth

my tommy needs to breathe
“heart humor and humility
will lighten up your heavy load”
said joni mitchell

:laugh:

[The Tower]

Again, Tom Cruise is grossing me out. I like this little blurb-

http://nydailynews.com/news/gossip/v-echo/story/322276p-275414c.html

[dissention]

Again, Tom Cruise is grossing me out. I like this little blurb-

http://nydailynews.com/news/gossip/v-echo/story/322276p-275414c.html

I think it's a riot that as soon as Toothy fired Pat Kingsley, Nicole stepped right in and hired her. :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

They are one of the most awkward couples I've evah seen. Didn't she say she had a crush on him when she was younger....who wouldn't wanna date a crush?! It's just all kinds of goofy and weird.

[SuzeQuze]

Here's an interesting article on how they deal with psychiatric issues. I remember this Lisa McPherson case going on when I lived in Clearwater. And downtown Clearwater is full of the nutbag, uniform-wearing, clipboard-carrying Scientologists. They have taken over so much of downtown Clearwater (their "spiritual mecca") over the years.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/29/Tampabay/Scientologists_settle.shtml

Hopefully this link works.

Carol

Wow, this is one of the most horrible things I've ever heard of. :distress: It sucks that they weren't convicted of anything.

[lbelle1214]

No.
I think he should be cut some slack.I agree with you and....
I'm gonna be brave and stick my neck out here....I agree with him, to a point. However, there are better ways of getting your point across, if you actually want people to see your point. Being in the medical profession for almost 20 years you tend to see things from that point of view. I DO believe that there are too many kids on Ritalin. My child was hyperactive to a point where the teachers would stack books behind his chair to keep him from rocking (probably from boredom). I was prodded into taking him to a child psychologist who promptly put him on Ritalin. He was now officially inn "the zone"...dilated eyes, blank stares...I couldn't handle it. After three months, I took him off, told them to put him in a smaller class or hire a "special teacher" which is state law here in Texas for a special needs child. He is now a happy, healthy 20 year old having the time of his life going to college in Florida. (Graduating #1 in his class) Did he really need Ritalin? Don't think so! Just more teachers with better pay and exceptional patience. On
the other hand, if Tom had the experience of being in lock down cornered by a true paranoid schizophrenic with no way out, I believe his opinion would change! Been there, done that and happy to say that I survived unscathed. Postpartum depression? Sure there's baby blues. What mom doesn't feel that? How could you not go through that kind of hormonal surge, then depletion, without emotion? Postpartum psychosis...that's a horse of a different color. And I'll ride that one, too! Andrea Yates perfect example. I can't say that I wouldn't have gone from depression to psychosis if you made me live in a bus with all those kids. All they showed on TV was the nice house...not all the stuff that led up to it. If her husband knew, why did he keep crawling on top of her and making all those babies!??!! I could go on with that, but I won't. Antidepressants....Still there! I DO believe that with therapy to address the underlying problem (or a gun to allieviate the someone who's causing it!) is essential. There's room for all of us opinionated people in the world....as long as we express that opinion with R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!! for each other. :) :nod:

[lbelle1214]

OMG...too funny! :laugh: :blob2:
:laugh: pee..... :lol: :lol: pee.... :lol: wipes tears away :lol:

[dissention]

I apologize if this has been posted in another thread, but I found this impression by Dane Cooke of Tom Cruise on Oprah hilarious:

http://gorillamask.net/cookkimmel.shtml

I think I just piddled. :laugh:

[golddustdragon]

Okay, so he was a little too uppity with Matt Lauer. However, you must admit he brings up some good points. Here's a site on the history of psychiatry: http://www.prozactruth.com/psychiatry.htm

[dissention]

However, you must admit he brings up some good points.

No, he doesn't, imo. Matt Lauer is the one who brought up good points by saying that psychiatric drugs do work on some people and that there are too many children on drugs such as ritalin. All Tom Cruise did was spew Scientology talking points and recommend vitamins and exercise in place of any professional treatment. Tom Cruise falters by completely dismissing psychiatry as a whole.

[trackaghost]

From Popbitch:

On the set of War of the Worlds, Tom Cruise set up a Scientology tent, so members of the cast and crew could 'join' or get information on the religion.

One member of the crew emailed director Steven Spielberg asking where the tents for the Jewish and Catholic religions were. He didn't get a reply.

Is it just me, but I'm really enjoying Tom Cruise's breakdown. I feel we're finally seeing the real Cruise.

[Mari]

^ :nod:
I don't care much about the gay-rumour, but his scientology preaching makes me sick. The more the media talks about Cruise & scientology, the more people learn about what it really is!

[dissention]

From Popbitch:

On the set of War of the Worlds, Tom Cruise set up a Scientology tent, so members of the cast and crew could 'join' or get information on the religion.

One member of the crew emailed director Steven Spielberg asking where the tents for the Jewish and Catholic religions were. He didn't get a reply.

Is it just me, but I'm really enjoying Tom Cruise's breakdown. I feel we're finally seeing the real Cruise.

:laugh: I'm really enjoying it, too. It's been making me laugh for weeks and anything that does that is ace in my book.

And can I just say :lol::lol::lol: to your sig? I think I passed out and just finally came to!

[trackaghost]

:laugh: I'm really enjoying it, too. It's been making me laugh for weeks and anything that does that is ace in my book.

And can I just say :lol::lol::lol: to your sig? I think I passed out and just finally came to!

Isn't it cool? I could watch it all day! :lol: :lol:
That's Cruise unleashing the powers of Scientology on Oprah.

[dissention]

Isn't it cool? I could watch it all day! :lol: :lol:
That's Cruise unleashing the powers of Scientology on Oprah.

:laugh:

I'M STILL LAUGHING. Just brilliant

That blasted little thing is better than sex. :laugh:

[trackaghost]

More Cruise fun...

"I just came from the WAR OF THE WORLDS press junket, which featured a joint press conference between Spielberg and Tom Cruise. There were two highlights - that it took 20 minutes for a Katie Holmes question to be asked (Spielberg timed it) was one. The best, though, was the reporter from the Boston Phoenix asking Tom Cruise if the fact that the aliens in the film have been on Earth for a million years waiting for the invasion resonated with him due to Scientology’s belief in aliens.
Tom sputtered for a few moments and got very visibly annoyed (he was otherwise in super-creepy cheerful mode the whole time) and denied the alien/Scientology connection, asked if the Boston Phoenix was a reputable paper and then listed about four Scientology books the guy should read to educate himself on the matter.

I was not able to see if Thetan-clear thugs took care of the reporter after the press conference."

[Violet]

Isn't it cool? I could watch it all day! :lol: :lol:
That's Cruise unleashing the powers of Scientology on Oprah.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That is SO funny!

[SuzeQuze]

More Cruise fun...

"I just came from the WAR OF THE WORLDS press junket, which featured a joint press conference between Spielberg and Tom Cruise. There were two highlights - that it took 20 minutes for a Katie Holmes question to be asked (Spielberg timed it) was one. The best, though, was the reporter from the Boston Phoenix asking Tom Cruise if the fact that the aliens in the film have been on Earth for a million years waiting for the invasion resonated with him due to Scientology’s belief in aliens.
Tom sputtered for a few moments and got very visibly annoyed (he was otherwise in super-creepy cheerful mode the whole time) and denied the alien/Scientology connection, asked if the Boston Phoenix was a reputable paper and then listed about four Scientology books the guy should read to educate himself on the matter.

I was not able to see if Thetan-clear thugs took care of the reporter after the press conference."

:lol: The Phoenix is a very cool paper here. It is all about the arts, local and national and it is free! Oh man, I gotta write that reporter to give him/her a pat on the back. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Isn't it cool? I could watch it all day! :lol: :lol:
That's Cruise unleashing the powers of Scientology on Oprah.

I'm surprised he didn't dislocate Oprah's shoulder.

[SuzeQuze]

I apologize if this has been posted in another thread, but I found this impression by Dane Cooke of Tom Cruise on Oprah hilarious:

http://gorillamask.net/cookkimmel.shtml

Omigod, thanks for sharing that Nancy, HYSTERICAL! "Don't bite Nelly." :lol:

[golddustdragon]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mari]

Today at news.bbc.co.uk...

Psychiatrists hit back at Cruise
Actor Tom Cruise has been criticised by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), following remarks he made on US TV attacking psychiatric medicine.
"It was irresponsible for Mr Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views," it said.

Cruise called psychiatry a "pseudo science", after NBC host Matt Lauer questioned the 42-year-old's stance against anti-depressant drugs.

The actor criticised Brooke Shields for taking drugs for post-natal depression.

The APA, which represents more than 36,000 physicians specialising in the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness, challenged Cruise's assertion that psychiatry lacks scientific merit.


"Rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research clearly demonstrates that treatment (of mental illness) works," said a statement released by the association.

"It is unfortunate that in the face of this remarkable scientific and clinical progress that a small number of individuals and groups persist in questioning its legitimacy."

It raised concerns that the Hollywood actor's remarks could "deter people with mental illness from getting the help they need".

Heated debate

Cruise, who is currently promoting the Steven Spielberg blockbuster War of the Worlds, is a follower of the Church of Scientology which is against psychiatric medicine.

On Friday, the actor entered a heated discussion with Today host Matt Lauer, when he suggested some people could benefit from drugs such as Ritalin, which is prescribed to children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).

"You're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is," Cruise told Lauer on Friday night's show.

"Psychiatry is a pseudo science," he said. "You don't know the history of psychiatry - I do," he added.

War of the Worlds is set to open across the US and UK later this week.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/film/4629147.stm

Published: 2005/06/28 08:51:18 GMT

[SuzeQuze]

Today at news.bbc.co.uk...

Psychiatrists hit back at Cruise
Actor Tom Cruise has been criticised by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), following remarks he made on US TV attacking psychiatric medicine.
"It was irresponsible for Mr Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views," it said.

Cruise called psychiatry a "pseudo science", after NBC host Matt Lauer questioned the 42-year-old's stance against anti-depressant drugs.

The actor criticised Brooke Shields for taking drugs for post-natal depression.

The APA, which represents more than 36,000 physicians specialising in the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness, challenged Cruise's assertion that psychiatry lacks scientific merit.


"Rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research clearly demonstrates that treatment (of mental illness) works," said a statement released by the association.

"It is unfortunate that in the face of this remarkable scientific and clinical progress that a small number of individuals and groups persist in questioning its legitimacy."

It raised concerns that the Hollywood actor's remarks could "deter people with mental illness from getting the help they need".

Heated debate

Cruise, who is currently promoting the Steven Spielberg blockbuster War of the Worlds, is a follower of the Church of Scientology which is against psychiatric medicine.

On Friday, the actor entered a heated discussion with Today host Matt Lauer, when he suggested some people could benefit from drugs such as Ritalin, which is prescribed to children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).

"You're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is," Cruise told Lauer on Friday night's show.

"Psychiatry is a pseudo science," he said. "You don't know the history of psychiatry - I do," he added.

War of the Worlds is set to open across the US and UK later this week.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/film/4629147.stm

Published: 2005/06/28 08:51:18 GMT

The way psychiatry works is they try the drugs and if they work then they deduce that they fixed a chemical imbalance. This is oversimplified. It is not like you can slice open a living brain to watch the chemical changes take place!

Mentally ill people who do not get help are more likely to be unemployed, without meaningful relationships, and worse - suicidal. For him to be so callous about psychiatry makes me very very angry and I am glad the APA spoke out.

[dissention]

Today at news.bbc.co.uk...

Psychiatrists hit back at Cruise
Actor Tom Cruise has been criticised by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), following remarks he made on US TV attacking psychiatric medicine.
"It was irresponsible for Mr Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views," it said.


Brooke Shields just thanked him for driving up sales of her book on post-natal depression, and of course made another dig at him about aliens. :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

Brooke Shields just thanked him for driving up sales of her book on post-natal depression, and of course made another dig at him about aliens. :laugh:

Nice. :thumbsup: *runs to buy Brooke's book*

[Serrart]

"Psychiatry is a pseudo science," he said.

He's not more original as a preacher than as an actor. That's exactly what a German journalist told him about Scientology, making him furious. Spielberg had to come in Cruise's defense after his outburst and said that Cruise's involvement with Scientology was as noble as his own involvement with Shoah Visual History Foundation... :rolleyes: . Poor Steven, he has to be quite stressed these days. :shrug:

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Tom Cruise: We're not alone

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- Hollywood actor Tom Cruise not only battles creatures from outer space in his latest film "War of the Worlds", he also believes aliens exist, he told a German newspaper on Wednesday.

Asked in an interview with the tabloid daily Bild if he believed in aliens, Cruise said: "Yes, of course. Are you really so arrogant as to believe we are alone in this universe?

"Millions of stars, and we're supposed to be the only living creatures? No, there are many things out there, we just don't know," Cruise, 42, said in the interview published in German.

Cruise is a follower of the Scientology church founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, and his recent willingness to discuss the faith has raised eyebrows in the media.

Most controversially, Cruise criticized actress Brooke Shields for revealing she had taken antidepressants. An official Scientology Web site argues that people should live drug-free.

Cruise also dismissed psychiatry as a "pseudo science", invoking the ire of the American Psychiatric Association that called the remarks "irresponsible".

But many scientologists feel they are unfairly criticized, arguing that although many believe in the concept of aliens, it is not such an unreasonable proposition, and that the side effects of some medication are not fully understood.

Cruise's new film "War of the Worlds" is based on British writer H.G. Wells' 1898 story of the invasion of Earth by Martians.


Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/29/cruise.aliens.reut/index.html

[dissention]

"Yes, of course. Are you really so arrogant as to believe we are alone in this universe?


Has he turned into a feisty little bitch or what? Jeezum crow. :laugh:

[amber]

Has he turned into a feisty little bitch or what? Jeezum crow. :laugh:
yeah, but Diss, are you really so arrogant as to believe we are alone? I'm not. :) Bazillions of people think we are not. How does that make him arrogant, to say that? And, he was always a feisty little bitch! :D

[dissention]

yeah, but Diss, are you really so arrogant as to believe we are alone? I'm not. :) Bazillions of people think we are not. How does that make him arrogant, to say that?

I believe in other life existing, I'm not disputing that. I'm just imagining him saying it and it sounds just as feisty and arrogant in itself as what he said on Today. :laugh:

[amber]

I believe in other life existing, I'm not disputing that. I'm just imagining him saying it and it sounds just as feisty and arrogant in itself as what he said on Today. :laugh:
Well, that's just prejudice, then. If you believe the exact same thing he is saying, but denounce him for saying so, then....and since when have you been against someone being feisty and arrogant? Pot, meet Kettle. :cool:

[strandinthewind]

I believe in other life existing, I'm not disputing that . . . .

Hence the foil on your windows :laugh:

couldn't resist

[strandinthewind]

Has he turned into a feisty little bitch or what? Jeezum crow. :laugh:

Yes he has and he sounds more like a self-righteous loon each time. I still like him in his movies though :cool:

[dissention]

Hence the foil on your windows :laugh:

couldn't resist

I've kidnapped Dakota Fanning and will offer her up to them if they ever come down to Earth.

[strandinthewind]

I've kidnapped Dakota Fanning and will offer her up to them if they ever come down to Earth.

THEY WILL NEVER COME FOR THAT :laugh:

[amber]

Yes he has and he sounds more like a self-righteous loon each time. I still like him in his movies though :cool:
I love it! The most well behaved movie star suddenly actually says something, and all hell breaks loose! awesome! Too bad he hasn't acted like, say, Russell Crowe, or Sean Penn, or Angelina Freak Out, or Courtney High the whole time, maybe then we wouldn't all be so suprised. :rolleyes:

[dissention]

The most well behaved movie star

You've got to be kidding me. The most? Ha! :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I love it! The most well behaved movie star suddenly actually says something, and all hell breaks loose! awesome! Too bad he hasn't acted like, say, Russell Crowe, or Sean Penn, or Angelina Freak Out, or Courtney High the whole time, maybe then we wouldn't all be so suprised. :rolleyes:


Well, an ass is an ass and he is behaving like one depsite his former restraint.

[dissention]

Well, an ass is an ass and he is behaving like one depsite his former restraint.

Excellently put, my dear. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

You've got to be kidding me. The most? Ha! :laugh:


I think firing his people and hiring his sister has a lot to do with this new, and IMO tragic for him, image. An enigma is far more drawing than this act.

[strandinthewind]

Excellently put, my dear. :lol:


and I really like his movies and for the most part him - at least him prior to this act. I also think it is cool for him to be whatever he wants to be, but I can call it like I see it even if no one agrees with me.

[amber]

Well, an ass is an ass and he is behaving like one depsite his former restraint.
yes. just as all those others have been asses. His former restraint, and obvious good intentions, and obvious nice guy-edness, make me not care. I was never looking for life advice from Tom Cruise anyway. :cool:

[dissention]

I think firing his people and hiring his sister has a lot to day with this new, and IMO tragic for him, image. An enigma is far more drawing than this act.

As soon as he fired Pat Kingsley, Nicole snapped her up. :laugh: I will always get a huge kick out of that.

Sure, he was quite well-behaved in the past (save his diva antics at a Blockbuster in the UK while shooting Eyes Wide Shut), but there are a slew of other movie stars who have been just as well-behaved. Calling him the MOST well-behaved is stretching it, imo.

[strandinthewind]

yes. just as all those others have been asses. His former restraint, and obvious good intentions, and obvious nice guy-edness, make me not care. I was never looking for life advice from Tom Cruise anyway. :cool:


Oh I think he is still a nice guy, esp. so with his fans. He spends hours with them signing autographs, etc. He is great in that regard and I am not talking about that. I am talking about this current manic behavior that is a little scary.

[amber]

You've got to be kidding me. The most? Ha! :laugh:
Name one that is more well behaved, besides Tom Hanks. The guy saved someone's life, you know. And he's just generally very respectful and observes proper decorum. Also he is nice. Also he never exibits a huge ego. Also...a bunch of stuff that makes him nice.

[amber]

Oh I think he is still a nice guy, esp. so with his fans. He spends hours with them signing autographs, etc. He is great in that regard and I am not talking about that. I am talking about this current manic behavior that is a little scary.
So, big whoop! Some people are like that all the time. So he's finally busting out a little. It's not like he punches people, throws phones at them, or carries a vial of his lover's blood. :rolleyes:

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Name one that is more well behaved, besides Tom Hanks. The guy saved someone's life, you know. And he's just generally very respectful and observes proper decorum. Also he is nice. Also he never exibits a huge ego. Also...a bunch of stuff that makes him nice.

I could name many others who have not acted like divas and appear just as down-to-Earth (until recently, of course) as Tom Cruise., but it would be moot. We don't know any of these people, so making any comments about them being "the most well-behaved" is ludicrous.

[amber]

As soon as he fired Pat Kingsley, Nicole snapped her up. :laugh: I will always get a huge kick out of that.

Sure, he was quite well-behaved in the past (save his diva antics at a Blockbuster in the UK while shooting Eyes Wide Shut), but there are a slew of other movie stars who have been just as well-behaved. Calling him the MOST well-behaved is stretching it, imo.
I don't think it is. Especially over his mammoth career. There are probably others who are just as nice. But no one more nice, who has had such a big career.

[strandinthewind]

So, big whoop! Some people are like that all the time. So he's finally busting out a little. It's not like he punches people, throws phones at them, or carries a vial of his lover's blood. :rolleyes:

I do not think I was ever comparing him to them. I am just saying his whole "I LOVE THIS WOMAN AND WILL ACT LIKE A HORNY 18 YEAR OLD" thing makes him look silly. So sue me.

[amber]

I could name many others who have not acted like divas and appear just as down-to-Earth (until recently, of course) as Tom Cruise., but it would be moot. We don't know any of these people, so making any comments about them being "the most well-behaved" is ludicrous.
well, then, if saying someone is "most well behaved" when we don't know them is ludicrous, then so is slamming Tom Cruise when we don't know him just as ludicrous.
But, I disagree, I think you can tell when people are nice, and I think Tom Cruise is nice, and yes, I'm sure there are other celebs who are nice, too.

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So, big whoop! Some people are like that all the time. So he's finally busting out a little. It's not like he punches people, throws phones at them, or carries a vial of his lover's blood. :rolleyes:

No, he just chastizes Brooke Shields out of the blue for no reason about her use of anti-depression medication (which, no matter how you slice it, was in incredibly poor taste), tells America that they should take vitamins and exercise instead of seeking professional mental health treatment, professes to be an expert on psychiatry, believes that we're all the incarnates of aliens who were slaughtered million so fyears ago, and acts like a schizo who stopped taking his meds. :laugh:

[amber]

I do not think I was ever comparing him to them. I am just saying his whole "I LOVE THIS WOMAN AND WILL ACT LIKE A HORNY 18 YEAR OLD" thing makes him look silly. So sue me.
Yeah, it is silly, but it's not the end of the fricking world. Nor is it strange celeb behavior, over all. :shrug:

[dissention]

There are probably others who are just as nice. But no one more nice, who has had such a big career.

And you know this how? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Yeah, it is silly, but it's not the end of the fricking world. Nor is it strange celeb behavior, over all. :shrug:

that may well be, but it still makes him look like an ass.

[strandinthewind]

. . . and acts like a schizo who stopped taking his meds. :laugh:

yep - in fact, I was a little worried about him for awhile there. I also think his mugging to the audience in interviews and his, to me, smug supercillious attitude that that "he knows it all" is a put off. Then again, I think I have that attitude as well :eek: :laugh: - but at least I am on my meds :laugh:

[amber]

yep - in fact, I was a little worried about him for awhile there. I also think his mugging to the audience in interviews and his, to me, smug supercillious attitude that that "he knows it all" is a put off. Then again, I think I have that attitude as well :eek: :laugh: - but at least I am on my meds :laugh:
Yeah, we always hate in others what we don't like in ourselves. I can tell this is especially true because Diss called Tom "Arrogant". :)
You guys are "way out of proportion"! :)

[amber]

that may well be, but it still makes him look like an ass.
yep. This one time. I don't care, he is way less an ass than many other celebs, who always act like asses. And he is still a nice, good, person.

[strandinthewind]

Yeah, we always hate in others what we don't like in ourselves. I can tell this is especially true because Diss called Tom "Arrogant". :)
You guys are "way out of proportion"! :)


It is not arrogant to tell Mat L. that he knows more about psychiatry when every psychiatrist has come out against what Cruise said, much less telling Brooke Shields how to live her life on some onterview - I mean come on :laugh:

[amber]

And you know this how? :shrug:
The same way I know about other celebs. I'm judging this on what I know about whoever I know about. ie, everyone is on the same level of "what I have heard"
How are you judging it?

[strandinthewind]

. . . And he is still a nice, good, person. that hopefully no mentally unstable persons listen to - otherwise he will not be so nice. I mean what if a post partun depressed mother saw that and took his advice and then went off her meds and killed her child - that is not that much of a stretch :shrug:

[amber]

It is not arrogant to tell Mat L. that he knows more about psychiatry when every psychiatrist has come out against what Cruise said, much less telling Brooke Shields how to live her life on some onterview - I mean come on :laugh:
Not much more arrogant than Susan and Tim's little speaches to the entire country. :shrug:

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It is not arrogant to tell Mat L. that he knows more about psychiatry when every psychiatrist has come out against what Cruise said, much less telling Brooke Shields how to live her life on some onterview - I mean come on :laugh:

:xoxo:

Exactly!

[amber]

that hopefully no mentally unstable persons listen to - otherwise he will not be so nice. I mean what if a post partun depressed mother saw that and took his advice and then went off her meds and killed her child - that is not that much of a stretch :shrug:
true. Or what if she started taking vitamins and exercising, and she was fine? We don't agree with that, but I submit that people should not be taking Tom's medical advice, anyways.

[strandinthewind]

true. Or what if she started taking vitamins and exercising, and she was fine? We don't agree with that, but I submit that people should not be taking Tom's medical advice, anyways.

but what if she kills the child in the interim or while trying to wade through Scientology while crazy.

[SuzeQuze]

:xoxo:

Exactly!

I never thought of him as being arrogant before. But he has been behaving that way lately. Telling Matt he is glib and he doesn't know what Ritalin is and he doesn't know the history of psychiatry while he (Tom) does is completely arrogant. I think it is directly related to reaching this new "level" in Scientology and now that he is closer to the truth he sees others as in the dark.

[strandinthewind]

Not much more arrogant than Susan and Tim's little speaches to the entire country. :shrug:

I agree - and stop comparing crazy to crazy - though in the former's defense, at least they were coherent and trying to save people from danger as opposed to potentialy putting them in it a la the post partum mother example.

[amber]

I agree - and stop comparing crazy to crazy - though in the former's defense, at least they were coherent and trying to save people from danger as opposed to potentialy putting them in it a la the post partum mother example.
Yeah, exactly, i was comparing crazy to crazy. My point was, why is Tom getting so much flak, when he has, for years, been the nicest guy ever?
I mean, Courtney Love has constantly been way less than desireable, dangerous and bitchy, in fact, but Diss loves her. :shrug: I just think y'all are making waaay to big a deal. Everyone has to whack out sometime.

[amber]

I never thought of him as being arrogant before. But he has been behaving that way lately. Telling Matt he is glib and he doesn't know what Ritalin is and he doesn't know the history of psychiatry while he (Tom) does is completely arrogant. I think it is directly related to reaching this new "level" in Scientology and now that he is closer to the truth he sees others as in the dark.
Isn't that how you are being by judging him right now? You think you are right, and he is in the dark. :shrug: Doesn't everyone think that? :shrug:

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I agree - and stop comparing crazy to crazy - though in the former's defense, at least they were coherent and trying to save people from danger as opposed to potentialy putting them in it a la the post partum mother example.

The amount of times I'm agreeing with you tonight is SCARY.

At least Sarandon and Robbins acted civilized, informed, and not arrogant when they were invited on talk shows like Donahue for the express purpose of talking about Iraq. The same can't be said for Tom "I know everything even though multiple publications have debunked my claims about psychiatry" Cruise. He can't put a single thought together coherently. It would be easier to take, like it is with the other two, if he could do that.

[amber]

The amount of times I'm agreeing with you tonight is SCARY.

At least Sarandon and Robbins acted civilized, informed, and not arrogant when they were invited on talk shows like Donahue for the express purpose of talking about Iraq. The same can't be said for Tom "I know everything even though multiple publications have debunked my claims about psychiatry" Cruise. He can't put a single thought together coherently. It would be easier to take, like it is with the other two, if he could do that.
I think they always look arrogant. I've seen him put thoughts together coherently. Everyone always seems better when you agree with them, I've noticed. :)

[strandinthewind]

Shields blasts Cruise for 'rant'

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Actress Brooke Shields on Friday fired back at Tom Cruise after the actor criticized her for having revealed she had taken an antidepressant to cope with post-natal depression.

Shields called Cruise's comments "a disservice to mothers everywhere" in an opinion column for The New York Times.

"To suggest that I was wrong to take drugs to deal with my depression, and that instead I should have taken vitamins and exercised shows an utter lack of understanding about postpartum depression and childbirth in general," the actress wrote.

"If any good can come of Mr. Cruise's ridiculous rant, let's hope that it gives much-needed attention to a serious disease."

During interviews to promote his new film, "War of the Worlds," Cruise has discussed his skepticism of psychiatry to explain his belief in the teachings of the Church of Scientology, founded by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

In one such interview on NBC's "Today" show, he was asked about his recent criticism of Shields, a film and television star now appearing as Roxie Hart in the London staging of the musical "Chicago".

"Before I was a Scientologist, I never agreed with psychiatry," Cruise said. "And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology. ... And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science."

Disputing the effectiveness of antidepressants generally, Cruise said, "all it does is mask the problem." He added, "There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance."

Shields said her doctor prescribed Paxil for postpartum depression after she experienced extreme despair and had suicidal thoughts following the birth of her daughter, Rowan Francis, in the spring of 2003.

"I wasn't thrilled to be taking drugs. In fact, I prematurely stopped taking them and had a relapse that almost led me to drive my car into a wall with Rowan in the backseat. But the drugs, along with weekly therapy sessions, are what saved me -- and my family," she said.

Shields is author of "Down Came the Rain: My Journey Through Postpartum Depression."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/01/shields.cruise.reut/index.html

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yep - in fact, I was a little worried about him for awhile there. I also think his mugging to the audience in interviews and his, to me, smug supercillious attitude that that "he knows it all" is a put off. Then again, I think I have that attitude as well :eek: :laugh: - but at least I am on my meds :laugh:

And you didn't go on national television and tell people that went to medical school that their chosen field wasn't science at all but a bunch of bunk. :rolleyes:
Xenu better help him should he or his children ever require some form of psychiatric care.

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, we always hate in others what we don't like in ourselves. I can tell this is especially true because Diss called Tom "Arrogant". :)
You guys are "way out of proportion"! :)

Okay Dr. Freud.

[gldstwmn]

Not much more arrogant than Susan and Tim's little speaches to the entire country. :shrug:

Ah, ah. You're not being specific.

[diamondsnake]

Tom Cruise has gone insane! I've never really liked him, but now I can't stand him! It doesn't help matters that I am a big Brooke Shields fan...

Who does he think he is? I think he is an ass hole. He doesn't know anything about science yet feels like he can just make this big statements as fact. Yeah right!

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, exactly, i was comparing crazy to crazy. My point was, why is Tom getting so much flak, when he has, for years, been the nicest guy ever?
I mean, Courtney Love has constantly been way less than desireable, dangerous and bitchy, in fact, but Diss loves her. :shrug: I just think y'all are making waaay to big a deal. Everyone has to whack out sometime.

Maybe because with Courtney, what you see is what you get. :shrug:

[The Tower]

Everyone always seems better when you agree with them, I've noticed. :)
POT - KETTLE - BLACK, sweetie.

I think it's cute that you've got a boner for Tommy Boy. Anyone who sez they like the movie Cocktail does. It's okay, honey- just remember, it works both ways. Your devotion to Mr. Nice Guy Cruise clouds and alters your perspective to anyone who doesn't like him- same as you think about Dissy in reverse.

I thought Tom was hot in Top Gun- however, the movie was crapola. I thought Casper Van Dien was to ****ing die for in Starship Troopers, but that sucker was a piece of ****.

Eh, no biggie either way.

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Maybe because with Courtney, what you see is what you get. :shrug:

And because The Massive Genital Wart on the Crotch of the Grand Diva of Fug is zany in a very entertaining way. She doesn't dick around and she doesn't profess to be an expert on the subject of psychiatry withut holding any degree or tell people to study a religion that worships the souls of slaughtered aliens. Bitch is crazy, but not that crazy.

[gldstwmn]

Shields blasts Cruise for 'rant'

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Actress Brooke Shields on Friday fired back at Tom Cruise after the actor criticized her for having revealed she had taken an antidepressant to cope with post-natal depression.

Shields called Cruise's comments "a disservice to mothers everywhere" in an opinion column for The New York Times.

"To suggest that I was wrong to take drugs to deal with my depression, and that instead I should have taken vitamins and exercised shows an utter lack of understanding about postpartum depression and childbirth in general," the actress wrote.

"If any good can come of Mr. Cruise's ridiculous rant, let's hope that it gives much-needed attention to a serious disease."

Good for her and the NYT for letting her write the column. There are still misinformed people like Cruise out there who think that depression is just something you can "get over." It never ceases to amaze me.

[gldstwmn]

Tom Cruise has gone insane! I've never really liked him, but now I can't stand him! It doesn't help matters that I am a big Brooke Shields fan...

Who does he think he is? I think he is an ass hole. He doesn't know anything about science yet feels like he can just make this big statements as fact. Yeah right!
I used to like Cruise but since he fired Pat Kingsley, he has really shown his ass.

[gldstwmn]

And because The Massive Genital Wart on the Crotch of the Grand Diva of Fug is zany in a very entertaining way. She doesn't dick around and she doesn't profess to be an expert on the subject of psychiatry withut holding any degree or tell people to study a religion that worships the souls of slaughtered aliens. Bitch is crazy, but not that crazy.

Speaking of which, have you seen Being Bobby Brown, or whatever the hell it's called? :lol:

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Speaking of which, have you seen Being Bobby Brown, or whatever the hell it's called? :lol:

Bits and pieces. :eek:

I think it's been established that he must love Whitney to death since he practically fisted her areshole in lieu of laxatives. That's love, baby.

[dissention]

http://www.perezhilton.com/topics/exclusives/tom_cruise_scat_cat_20050701.php#comments

Have mercy.

[gldstwmn]

Bits and pieces. :eek:

I think it's been established that he must love Whitney to death since he practically fisted her areshole in lieu of laxatives. That's love, baby.

That was too much information. I watched some of it last night and well...train wreck. He's textbook abusive spouse, IMO. He wouldn't even let a guy give her a massage. :rolleyes: I also find it hard to believe that he's not just still with her for the money. I mean, how big a hit was My Prerogative? :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

My roommate just said "Tom Cruise is an asshole I hate him." and proceeded to tell me what he said about Brooke that we all know about here. She was so pissed off, "who does he think he is?".

Her sister had post pardum after her first child and had to take medication to recover. It's a very scary illness and very frightening to think what might have happened without the meds.

[gldstwmn]

My roommate just said "Tom Cruise is an asshole I hate him." and proceeded to tell me what he said about Brooke that we all know about here. She was so pissed off, "who does he think he is?".

Her sister had post pardum after her first child and had to take medication to recover. It's a very scary illness and very frightening to think what might have happened without the meds.

You know, in thinking about it, Cruise's kids aren't his biological children. So he has no idea what it's like to live with a woman who is postpartum. What a jerk.

[Serrart]

Yeah, exactly, i was comparing crazy to crazy. My point was, why is Tom getting so much flak, when he has, for years, been the nicest guy ever?
I mean, Courtney Love has constantly been way less than desireable, dangerous and bitchy, in fact, but Diss loves her. :shrug: I just think y'all are making waaay to big a deal. Everyone has to whack out sometime.

Because he's not simply an actor he is a star. People didn't simply admire him but wanted to be him or have sex with him, live his life or have him as a son or as a father. He's a symbol of the good American boy. And usually, you reach such a status thanks to a variable talent, some intelligence, and a huge machine that boost you up and keep you there. But what happens when the person, seems to be different by the image? The castle starts to tumble down. People want to know how fake all the construction is. Media right now understand that they can earn more destroying the star they helped to build. And he's not helping. As soon as he was alone in front of the world, he made mistake after mistake. He's showing a very different repressed personality, Imo. At the end, movie moguls would do all they can to save him, because he's a money machine, but if you think that MI3 got very close to be cancelled, you can see how they're worried too.

Romy