Verdict reached in Michael Jackson case...

[estranged4life]

it will be read within 1 hour according to both Faux News and MSNBC (That's if theyre accurate!)

[dudden22]

:laugh: We both created threads at the same time.

[dudden22]

Do you think the fans will riot, as promised, if he is found guilty?

[estranged4life]

Do you think the fans will riot, as promised, if he is found guilty?

I hope so, At least there will FINALLY be something worth watching on network TV if they do :rolleyes:







By the way, I was kiddin' with my above statement :nod:

[Hawkeye]

wow, is it wrong that im so excited to hear the verdict.

[strandinthewind]

My bet is not guilty on all but the liquor chrages, if those are still there. But, the odds I'd say are 60 not guilty to 40 guilty.

[GODDESS6]

i am on pins & needles, thank god for courttv!!!~

[wondergirl9847]

Not guilty, but I was thinking hung jury. :shrug: I dunno.

[dudden22]

I still think it's about 50/50.

[GODDESS6]

they did just say that they asked for a read back of the accusser's testimony, not sure what that could imply, god i pray they say guilty~ i just hope the don't let his celebrity take part in their decision~

[Johnny Stew]

Allison DuBois said a couple months ago that the verdict would be less severe than the truth of the situation should require. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

they did just say that they asked for a read back of the accusser's testimony, not sure what that could imply, god i pray they say guilty~ i just hope the don't let his celebrity take part in their decision~

I took from the request for the accuser's testimony that they were reconciling the direct contradiction of that by the alleged victim a la M. Caulkin. But, we shall see. The problem with this case is the prosecution put on no really credible witness - every witness has sold their story, been contradicted, etc. So, they are relying on the fact that (1) MJ looks like a freak and (2) it is in general creepy that little kids stay over there - to convict him.

[dudden22]

I hope so, At least there will FINALLY be something worth watching on network TV if they do :rolleyes:







By the way, I was kiddin' with my above statement :nod:

I know, and to be clear I am not hoping that will happen. Just curious if people think they will or not.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I think its more like 75% innocent, 25% guilty...should be an interesting day...better not interfere with Hells Kitchen tonight at 9

Chris

[strandinthewind]

Here are the charges:

The 46-year-old pop star is facing judgment on 10 counts, stemming from events that allegedly took place with a 13-year-old boy two years ago:

four counts of lewd conduct with a child younger than 14;

one count of attempted lewd conduct;

four counts of administering alcohol to facilitate child molestation;

one count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment or extortion.

from http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/jackson.trial/index.html

[Nixxxed]

Hooray! The whole Jackson Circus is almost over! (At least I hope so...)

Of course, if he's guilty, we'll get six months of "Jacko in Jail" exposes, but...

[Highwayman]

Not guilty on the liquor charges, but guilty on the lick him charges.

[estranged4life]

I took from the request for the accuser's testimony that they were reconciling the direct contradiction of that by the alleged victim a la M. Caulkin. But, we shall see. The problem with this case is the prosecution put on no really credible witness - every witness has sold their story, been contradicted, etc. So, they are relying on the fact that (1) MJ looks like a freak and (2) it is in general creepy that little kids stay over there - to convict him.

Cant trust the opinion of some druggie ala M. Caulkin :rolleyes:

I laughed at how he got the great Oklahoma City "We dont give a flyin' f**k for celebrity treatment during his court appearance for his guilty plea last week :thumbsup:

On a serious note, If ANYONE (Be they black, white, yellow, brown or purple with fluroscent yellow hair & red eyes) was to ever molest either my nieces or my nephews I will gladly & publicly be pleading guilty for their murder cause they'll never see the inside of a courthouse :thumbsup:

[Mad4stevie]

Courttv and MSNBC are carrying the live audio feed of the verdict for those who are interested in hearing it online . . .

[Mad4stevie]

Here are the charges:

The 46-year-old pop star is facing judgment on 10 counts, stemming from events that allegedly took place with a 13-year-old boy two years ago:

four counts of lewd conduct with a child younger than 14;

one count of attempted lewd conduct;

four counts of administering alcohol to facilitate child molestation;

one count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment or extortion.

from http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/jackson.trial/index.html

four counts of lewd conduct with a child younger than 14;

unfortunately, NOT GUILTY

one count of attempted lewd conduct;

unfortunately, NOT GUILTY

four counts of administering alcohol to facilitate child molestation;

GUILTY

one count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment or extortion.

50/50, but probably NOT GUILTY

[strandinthewind]

. . . four counts of administering alcohol to facilitate child molestation . . . .

I think even not guilty to this exact charge as they will IMO find him not guilty to any molestation charges. This charge, however, includes the lesser and non-specific charge of "furnishing alcohol to a minor" - which he will be found guilty of IMO.

If that is the case, he should count his besslings for the botched prosecution in this case, pay the fine, and then move to Thailand.

[irishgrl]

Well, I must be the only one here who hopes like HELL the jury finds this sick sick man G.U.I.L.T.Y.

I say get a rope (or at least a rusty knife)

[Livia]

I'm on MSN - it says it's playing, and the time clock is going, but since nothing's happening yet, I guess that's why I'm not hearing anything??

[LilyRose]

Does anyone know where you can listen live online?

Susie

[dudden22]

Well, I must be the only one here who hopes like HELL the jury finds this sick sick man G.U.I.L.T.Y.

I say get a rope (or at least a rusty knife)

No your not, I hope like hell he is guilty. I just think it is a 50/50 chance.

[strandinthewind]

Well, I must be the only one here who hopes like HELL the jury finds this sick sick man G.U.I.L.T.Y.

I say get a rope (or at least a rusty knife)


I do not think juries should ever decide any case on anything but the evidence, which here is clearly unsupportive of the prosecution's case. I mean if we let juries consider anything, then what is the point of having them when a lynch mob has the same mentality.

[SteveMacD]

Do you think the fans will riot, as promised, if he is found guilty?
I hope so, At least there will FINALLY be something worth watching on network TV if they do :rolleyes:
Now that's what I call REALITY TELEVISION :thumbsup:

Pillage, pillage, pillage. Loot, loot, loot!

[dudden22]

Does anyone know where you can listen live online?

Susie

Try yahoo. There is a link to live video coverage.

[strandinthewind]

Now that's what I call REALITY TELEVISION :thumbsup:

Pillage, pillage, pillage. Loot, loot, loot!


all while moon walking and dancing on a car :laugh:

[amber]

I think even not guilty to this exact charge as they will IMO find him not guilty to any molestation charges. This charge, however, includes the lesser and non-specific charge of "furnishing alcohol to a minor" - which he will be found guilty of IMO.

If that is the case, he should count his besslings for the botched prosecution in this case, pay the fine, and then move to Thailand.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Do you know what kind of heinousness he will easily be able to perpetrate in Thailand???!

[LilyRose]

Try yahoo. There is a link to live video coverage.

Cool. Thanks.


Susie

[estranged4life]

Now that's what I call REALITY TELEVISION :thumbsup:

Pillage, pillage, pillage. Loot, loot, loot!


No stupid cat stuck in a fan singing contests, no eating a steamin' pile of cat **** "reality TV show" or the ever popular let's have a contest to see who is the best asscrackin' fraud on network TV

Ah, America...I live for entropy :nod:

[irishgrl]

Jason, I expect the Jury to decide based on evidence as well. Its just that I think there is PLENTY of evidence to point to guilt. You just chose not to believe it.

For myself, the word of the victim is a HUGE decider, plus his brother/sister, as well as the former employees, the videotaped police interview, the prior evidence, all point to a history a pattern and a current problem that MUST be stopped.

as usual, we are on opposite sides.....

[strandinthewind]

Jason, I expect the Jury to decide based on evidence as well. Its just that I think there is PLENTY of evidence to point to guilt. You just chose not to believe it.

For myself, the word of the victim is a HUGE decider, plus his brother/sister, as well as the former employees, the videotaped police interview, the prior evidence, all point to a history a pattern and a current problem that MUST be stopped.

as usual, we are on opposite sides.....

the word of the victim is tainted - and his parents are known extorters :shrug: I mean clearly that presents a shadow of a doubt on his word.

and - if there were such a pattern, then where are the other claims. We have seen two out of how many thousands that have been there :shrug:

Any lawyer worth their salt will tell you the prosecution could not have done a worse job.

As for the employees, the key witness there was directly refuted by the the alleged abused and the accuser tried to extort Jackson.

I think you just hate MJ and do not care how or why they put him in jail.

[dudden22]

What's with all the Jesus signs, "Shed the blood of Jesus Christ, mans only salvation".

[strandinthewind]

What's with all the Jesus signs, "Shed the blood of Jesus Christ, mans only salvation".


Oh they'll go anywhere to get on t.v. :laugh:

[estranged4life]

on count #666 of having a fake nose and looking whiter than me






Just seeing if ya'll are paying attention :thumbsup:

[amber]

on count #666 of having a fake nose and looking whiter than me






Just seeing if ya'll are paying attention :thumbsup:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
having no nose, more like.

[Mad4stevie]

Does anyone know where you can listen live online?

Susie

courttv.com or msnbc.com are carrying it live . . .

[Mad4stevie]

I think even not guilty to this exact charge as they will IMO find him not guilty to any molestation charges. This charge, however, includes the lesser and non-specific charge of "furnishing alcohol to a minor" - which he will be found guilty of IMO.

Ah - I meant to convict on the lesser charge - I didn't read your post correctly.

[estranged4life]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
having no nose, more like.

whatever that thing is on his face, it is still bigger than the humor of one Carrot-Top

[chiliD]

I think you just hate MJ and do not care how or why they put him in jail.

Michael Jordan is in jail?

[strandinthewind]

Ah - I meant to convict on the lesser charge - I didn't read your post correctly.

No harm no foul!!!!!!!

My post was misleading - I thought the caveat would come out in the cut and paste :sorry:

[estranged4life]

Michael Jordan is in jail?

The Lakers could've stopped him :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Michael Jordan is in jail?


that'll learn him to lose a game :laugh:

[dudden22]

Michael and La Toya are in the same place at the same time. They are not really the same person. :laugh:

[KarmaContestant]

The best part of the coverage so far?......seeing Michael and LaToya together and finally knowing without a doubt that they are not the same person. :D

[KarmaContestant]

Michael and La Toya are in the same place at the same time. They are not really the same person. :laugh:

Doh! You beat me to it!

[dudden22]

Doh! You beat me to it!
:laugh: That was the first thing I thought when I saw them walking in.

[estranged4life]

Bubbles the Chimp will take this news if he is convicted (That's if Bubbles is still alive and hasnt turned state evidence on MJ) :shrug: :lol:

[dudden22]

Bubbles the Chimp will take this news if he is convicted (That's if Bubbles is still alive and hasnt turned state evidence on MJ) :shrug: :lol:

I still can't believe that they are considering turning over his kids to his family if he is convicted. Haven't Joe and Katherine done enough damage?

[gldstwmn]

I'm betting not guilty on all but the alcohol related charges.

[estranged4life]

I still can't believe that they are considering turning over his kids to his family if he is convicted. Haven't Joe and Katherine done enough damage?

as the saying goes "If you dont succeed, try and try again...Even if it takes a trillion f**kups to get it right" :nod:

[The Tower]

I'm betting not guilty on all but the alcohol related charges.
:nod: That was my guess from the git-go, mah dear.

[GypsySorcerer]

I'm betting not guilty on all but the alcohol related charges.

Me too. (observing 10 character rule)

[SuzeQuze]

I still can't believe that they are considering turning over his kids to his family if he is convicted. Haven't Joe and Katherine done enough damage?

Oh for f*ck's sake, what are they more mental than the Jackson's? Geez. They'd be better off with their nutty mother.

[dudden22]

Oh for f*ck's sake, what are they more mental than the Jackson's? Geez. They'd be better off with their nutty mother.

Well, Joe abused the **** out his kids. Why let it happen again?

[GypsySorcerer]

Could the media dramatize this anymore? Sheesh....

[ontheEdgeof17]

Me too. (observing 10 character rule)

I agree...on both the ruling and 10 character rule.

[SuzeQuze]

Well, Joe abused the **** out his kids. Why let it happen again?

That's what I meant. That the people deciding where to put the kids even considering those two is pathetic.

[dudden22]

That's what I meant. That the people deciding where to put the kids even considering those two is pathetic.

Oh ok, I misunderstood :o Sorry :sorry:

[jannieC]

:mad: For God's sake, I'm at work and don't have speakers to LISTEN to the verdict.

[irishgrl]

the word of the victim is tainted - and his parents are known extorters :shrug: I mean clearly that presents a shadow of a doubt on his word.

and - if there were such a pattern, then where are the other claims. We have seen two out of how many thousands that have been there :shrug:

Any lawyer worth their salt will tell you the prosecution could not have done a worse job.

As for the employees, the key witness there was directly refuted by the the alleged abused and the accuser tried to extort Jackson.

I think you just hate MJ and do not care how or why they put him in jail.

The word of the victime is NOT tainted in MY book, the video of the police interview shows to ME that this boy was embarrassed about having to talk about it, and his body language and his reticence show ME that he is NOT out for $$$. As for your claim that the employees were rebutted, I dont agree.
Granted, the one employee engaged in an extortion attempt but it doesnt negate his other testimony. Besides, I am sick of people saying MJ was a victim of money grubbers, the man used his $$$ to BUY people and PAY OFF people. He cant have it both ways. sorry, we just dont agree.......

besides. all the lawyering in the world isnt what wins or loses a case. in the end, it is up to the jury and they all have their own ideas even before being selected as a juror. In OJ's case, the inner city predominantly black jury came up with a much different answer than a predominantly white Beverly Hills Jury would have delivered (btw: OJ SHOULD have been tried in his own court district, that change of venue made all the difference in the world and his attorneys knew it. I submit that all the evidence in the world that would have proven OJ guilty would still not have brought a guilty verdict precisely because the jury members were determined NOT to let one of their heroes go down. Just my 2c.)

[SuzeQuze]

Oh ok, I misunderstood :o Sorry :sorry:

Oh no problem, I wasn't very clear. I was trying to say that the folks trying to place those kids are nuttier than the Jacksons if they want to place them with them.

[skcin]

2 not guilties so far.

[estranged4life]

that is interesting...

Count #2

Not guilty

Count #3

Not guilty

[SuzeQuze]

2 not guilties so far

:vomit:

Paula, your new sig pic is cool! Which show did you take that at? :drools:

[strandinthewind]

The word of the victime is NOT tainted in MY book, the video of the police interview shows to ME that this boy was embarrassed about having to talk about it, and his body language and his reticence show ME that he is NOT out for $$$. As for your claim that the employees were rebutted, I dont agree.
Granted, the one employee engaged in an extortion attempt but it doesnt negate his other testimony. Besides, I am sick of people saying MJ was a victim of money grubbers, the man used his $$$ to BUY people and PAY OFF people. He cant have it both ways. sorry, we just dont agree.......

besides. all the lawyering in the world isnt what wins or loses a case. in the end, it is up to the jury and they all have their own ideas even before being selected as a juror. In OJ's case, the inner city predominantly black jury came up with a much different answer than a predominantly white Beverly Hills Jury would have delivered (btw: OJ SHOULD have been tried in his own court district, that change of venue made all the difference in the world and his attorneys knew it. I submit that all the evidence in the world that would have proven OJ guilty would still not have brought a guilty verdict precisely because the jury members were determined NOT to let one of their heroes go down. Just my 2c.)

Then again, you think Monica Lewinsky had no alterior motive and never tried to use Clinton despite suddenly getting a job, saving the semen stained dress, etc. AND Clinton never sent his cabinet out to lie for him in an effort to thwart his prosectution. I think I'll let your perception of facts in evidence rest there :p

[wondergirl9847]

Not guilty.

[estranged4life]

Count 4

Not guilty

Count 5

Not guilty

Count 6

Not guilty

Count 7

Not guilty

[jannieC]

2 not guilties so far.

NOOOOOOOO! I swear this world is absolutely f-ing crazy.

[estranged4life]

Count #8

Not guilty

[skcin]

:vomit:

Paula, your new sig pic is cool! Which show did you take that at? :drools:


Wednesday's show. :D

[SuzeQuze]

WTF? Were they paying attention?

[strandinthewind]

Is this a live feed?

[SuzeQuze]

Wednesday's show. :D

Suhweeet! They didn't put Stevie in the images on the screen in my show. :( Waaaahhhh!!! Lucky!!!

Edit: I'm retarded, you meant in Vegas. :o

[estranged4life]

Count #9

Not guilty

Count #10

Not guilty

[gldstwmn]

Holy ****e! Full acquittal. :shocked:

[GODDESS6]

i am so pissed!!! & enuf w/ the releasing of the white doves already:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ~

[ontheEdgeof17]

Holy ****e! Full acquittal. :shocked:


Boy...whatta shocker. :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

WTF? Were they paying attention?


I think they were. I mean the facts suggests that evey accuser was an opportunistic liar with an alterior motive. I cannot say this is an incorrect verdit based on the pathetic case the prosecution put on. I say that with no comment on the actual culpability of MJ, which is a sep. issue in our and almost all legal systems save for a lynch mob.

[gldstwmn]

i am on pins & needles, thank god for courttv!!!~

Did you see the lady with the white doves?

[KarmaContestant]

Interesting.... The commentator on CNN just said the following:

"If this jury has no doubt, then there should be no doubt in any of our minds."

[irishgrl]

well, he was acquitted of molestation...........I didnt read the whole article but just that much makes me sick. :distress:

[strandinthewind]

Did you see the lady with the white doves?

she says she loves you :cool:

[Livia]

i am so pissed!!! & enuf w/ the releasing of the white doves already:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ~

I'm glad I'm not the only who saw that! LOL I had the yahoo video up while listening to cnn radio. WTF????

[gldstwmn]

Interesting.... The commentator on CNN just said the following:

"If this jury has no doubt, then there should be no doubt in any of our minds."

Was that Jeffrey Toobin or Robert Shapiro, OJ's former attorney?

[dudden22]

i am so pissed!!! & enuf w/ the releasing of the white doves already:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ~

I am disgusted that they didn't even convict on the alcohol offenses. :mad:

[strandinthewind]

I am disgusted that they didn't even convict on the alcohol offenses. :mad:


I know - I thought they had that one in the bag. Oh Well.

[KarmaContestant]

Was that Jeffrey Toobin or Robert Shapiro, OJ's former attorney?
I don't know. I was listening, but not watching. Of the two men talking, it was the one with the deeper, older voice.

[sparky]

I knew it !

The jurors ought to have to deliver their own 12 year old sons to his house, gift wrapped, drunk, and squeaky clean.

[strandinthewind]

I predict MJ will move from America - though he is dumb enough to stay.

Also, the civil suit will be STAGGERING!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuzeQuze]

I predict MJ will move from America - though he is dumb enough to stay.

Also, the civil suit will be STAGGERING!!!!!!!!!!!

Strand, what is wrong with prosecutors? Why can't they get their sh*t together? It happens over and over.

[dudden22]

I predict MJ will move from America - though he is dumb enough to stay.

Also, the civil suit will be STAGGERING!!!!!!!!!!!

They just said the victim will seek no other charges.

[gldstwmn]

all while moon walking and dancing on a car :laugh:

I really want to see a moonwalk on the roof of the SUV. Please Michael? :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

They just said the victim will seek no other charges.

I think they meant criminal charges, which are different than a civil suit where it is not the damage to the state that is being addressed - it is the actual damage to the victim. Maybe the time has expired for him to file suit - I do not know Cailf. law on this.

[gldstwmn]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Do you know what kind of heinousness he will easily be able to perpetrate in Thailand???!

I think that's what he meant.

[dudden22]

I think they meant criminal charges, which are different than a civil suit where it is not the damage to the state that is being addressed - it is the actual damage to the victim. Maybe the time has expired for him to file suit - I do not know Cailf. law on this.

I know, they were discussing the civil suit. They said the victim just wants it to be completely over.

[amber]

I think that's what he meant.
Great. Really.

[GODDESS6]

she says she loves you :cool:too funny, i just had the impluse of wanting to smack that lady :eek: :nod: ~

[irishgrl]

I think they meant criminal charges, which are different than a civil suit where it is not the damage to the state that is being addressed - it is the actual damage to the victim. Maybe the time has expired for him to file suit - I do not know Cailf. law on this.

earlier in the trial, the victim said he wasnt aware of the possibility of a civil suit........personally, I dont think that will happen, that would only prove the naysayers right (that all they were after was $$$) but, obviously, I can be wrong :rolleyes:

[KarmaContestant]

I predict there will be no civil suit, and if there is, it's only because some greedy lawyer will convince the kids creepy, greedy & dishonest mother to proceed with it. :shrug:

Ever since this whole MJ thing started months and months ago, I just have never believed he was guilty of anything. :shrug: And no matter what anyone here or anywhere else thinks, none of us were there, and none of us know the truth, and none of us should judge the guy for somehting we truly know nothing about firsthand.

[gldstwmn]

What's with all the Jesus signs, "Shed the blood of Jesus Christ, mans only salvation".

I'm sure some of them are being paid.

[The Tower]

Any lawyer worth their salt will tell you the prosecution could not have done a worse job.
Hella yes! The prosecution blew this case. No evidence whatsoever.

[strandinthewind]

Strand, what is wrong with prosecutors? Why can't they get their sh*t together? It happens over and over.

To their defense, it is not the easiest thing to put on a crystal clear case - a la W. Ryder's prosecution. In this case, all of their witnesses were either directly refuted and/or it was shown that monetary gain could have been involved. I would NEVER have brought this case to trial. I would have waited for a better victin. The one thing out of all of this is if MJ were a true ped. there should be many, many more victims as it is rare just to have two over 20 years. Hopefully, the dectectives did their work snooping around trying to find them.

[strandinthewind]

I know, they were discussing the civil suit. They said the victim just wants it to be completely over.


Oh - sorry - I got caught up on the word "charges" mea culpa!

[sparky]

Hella yes! The prosecution blew this case. No evidence whatsoever.

Don't they always ? He'll live to go down on another boy. Hallelujah !

[golddustdragon]

Jay Leno's really going to be snapping about this tonight.

[The Tower]

I know - I thought they had that one in the bag. Oh Well.
I think the testimony regarding the kids being destructive and breaking into the wine cellar probably had something to do with it.

[gldstwmn]

:nod: That was my guess from the git-go, mah dear.

The first couple of days of the trial I thought they were going to hang his white a**. :laugh: But Mesereau and co. managed to impugn just about every single prosecution witness.
Wonder who gets the first Michael interview and how much they will be paid for it?

[dudden22]

Oh - sorry - I got caught up on the word "charges" mea culpa!

No worries, I wasn't very clear on that.

[strandinthewind]

The first couple of days of the trial I thought they were going to hang his white a**. :laugh: But Mesereau and co. managed to impugn just about every single prosecution witness.
Wonder who gets the first Michael interview and how much they will be paid for it?


The fee for that interview will be the cost of the legal bills, which I am sure are in the tens of millions by now.

[The Tower]

Don't they always ? He'll live to go down on another boy. Hallelujah !
Jacko's a weirdo that's for sure. At this point, any parent who allows their kid anywhere NEAR him is a complete idiot. But, it wouldn't surprise me to see it- people are stupid.

[strandinthewind]

Jacko's a weirdo that's for sure. At this point, any parent who allows their kid anywhere NEAR him is a complete idiot. But, it wouldn't surprise me to see it- people are stupid.


U think if they allow their kids to go there, they ought to call Legas Services :mad:

[estranged4life]

I still say he was guilty, But the prosecution blew it...Oh well, I feel someone will try to take MJ outta this life's existence.

Oh, I noticed MJ looked in shock as he left the courthouse, I guess he is regretting he could've gotten at least 50 more kids before his acquittal :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Boy...whatta shocker. :rolleyes:

I thought they had him on the alcohol charges. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

well, he was acquitted of molestation...........I didnt read the whole article but just that much makes me sick. :distress:

No doubt. I think he is guilty as well.

[strandinthewind]

I thought they had him on the alcohol charges. :shrug:


Well, that flight attendant refuted it - though I cannot now recall all the evidence related to that minor charge.

[dudden22]

I thought they had him on the alcohol charges. :shrug:

Me too, I can't get over that. They must have been on the "Jesus Juice".

[gldstwmn]

she says she loves you :cool:

Bwah!!!! :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I'm glad I'm not the only who saw that! LOL I had the yahoo video up while listening to cnn radio. WTF????

I know. I thought, Prince isn't on trial. WTF?

[dudden22]

Of course CNN has to get Jessie Jackson on the phone. Publicity much!

[gldstwmn]

I don't know. I was listening, but not watching. Of the two men talking, it was the one with the deeper, older voice.

Shapiro. :nod: I suspected as much.

[gldstwmn]

I knew it !

The jurors ought to have to deliver their own 12 year old sons to his house, gift wrapped, drunk, and squeaky clean.

Word. :nod:

[MacMan]

He's finished... Career wise.. (was a long time ago actually).. But he's finished like OJ finished... He'll be famous now for getting off - and will have to live a life like OJ where the world thinks you are guilty even though you've been proven not to be.

[gldstwmn]

To their defense, it is not the easiest thing to put on a crystal clear case - a la W. Ryder's prosecution. In this case, all of their witnesses were either directly refuted and/or it was shown that monetary gain could have been involved. I would NEVER have brought this case to trial. I would have waited for a better victin. The one thing out of all of this is if MJ were a true ped. there should be many, many more victims as it is rare just to have two over 20 years. Hopefully, the dectectives did their work snooping around trying to find them.

They did. There were more than two presented at trial, I believe.

[gldstwmn]

Jay Leno's really going to be snapping about this tonight.

I'm actually going to have to watch the monologues tonight. They should be hysterical.
Did you see Jacko coming out of court? He was too loaded to dance.

[strandinthewind]

They did. There were more than two presented at trial, I believe.


I thought they presented the former 93 guy, the current cancer victim, and that was it. There were other claims about the booze though. But, I cannot recall all of the evidence in this case. So, I defer to you :cool:

[gldstwmn]

The fee for that interview will be the cost of the legal bills, which I am sure are in the tens of millions by now.

Yep. I'm betting Diane Sawyer.

[gldstwmn]

Oh, I noticed MJ looked in shock as he left the courthouse,

He was sedated. The probably shot him full of god knows what before he got out of the car. :lol:

[Livia]

Wonder how he will celebrate? A big party at Neverland, bring the kids! :blob2:

Yeah, the monologues tonight should be good....and Larry King.

[SteveMacD]

Strand, what is wrong with prosecutors? Why can't they get their sh*t together? It happens over and over.
OTOH, MJ's team put a lot of big names on the stand, like Jay Leno. When Jay took the stand, the prosecution's case pretty much died. MJ's team put one of the most popular, and probably trusted, men in America on the stand, while the prosecution put some rather shady people who may have other motives on the stand. I don't think there would be many juries in this country that would honstly convict.

[estranged4life]

the only positive I will get from this fiasco is that I have even more hatred for celebrities...I would not trade my life for any celebrity spotlight grabbing BS :nod:

America-Where you're innocent until proven guilty, Especially if you have the spotlight and the $$$$ where you will NEVER be found guilty

[bikerchic]

Yeah, the monologues tonight should be good....and Larry King.
Can't wait to watch Nancy Grace tonite :blob2:

[gldstwmn]

Can't wait to watch Nancy Grace tonite :blob2:

Girl, she was already on Court TV with her nostrils flaring. :lol: She should be good and wound up by tonight.
She also said that since the jury wasn't looking at him, they must have returned a guilty verdict. Nah nah Nancy.

[amber]

OTOH, MJ's team put a lot of big names on the stand, like Jay Leno. When Jay took the stand, the prosecution's case pretty much died. MJ's team put one of the most popular, and probably trusted, men in America on the stand, while the prosecution put some rather shady people who may have other motives on the stand. I don't think there would be many juries in this country that would honstly convict.
Wait - what did Leno say? Even though I don't like him anyways, that totally makes me want to boycott his show.

[HomerMcvie]

What the f*ck is up with this country. UNbelievable! How many times does he get to do this???????????????

[gldstwmn]

the only positive I will get from this fiasco is that I have even more hatred for celebrities...I would not trade my life for any celebrity spotlight grabbing BS :nod:

America-Where you're innocent until proven guilty, Especially if you have the spotlight and the $$$$ where you will NEVER be found guilty

Unless you're Martha Stewart. :laugh:

[bikerchic]

She should be good and wound up by tonight.

:blob2: :] :blob1: Great! I don't get Court TV, so tonite should be good! Hopefully it won't be too much time for her to start to wind down and accept......nevah!

[SteveMacD]

Can't wait to watch Nancy Grace tonite :blob2:
OMG, she's going to have a stroke on camera. This is MUST SEE TV! :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

What the f*ck is up with this country. UNbelievable! How many times does he get to do this???????????????

Apparently as many times as he's had nose jobs. :)

[bikerchic]

OMG, she's going to have a stroke on camera. This is MUST SEE TV! :thumbsup:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[amber]

Apparently as many times as he's had nose jobs. :)
Do you know what Leno said? Or the nature of it?

[gldstwmn]

Do you know what Leno said? Or the nature of it?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/24/jackson.trial/

[bikerchic]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/24/jackson.trial/
I love this place! You ask for somethen, you get it! Fast! :laugh: :nod: Thank you. :thumbsup:

[amber]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/24/jackson.trial/
Thanks. That's not so bad.

[SteveMacD]

Wait - what did Leno say? Even though I don't like him anyways, that totally makes me want to boycott his show.Here's some info I found on the web.
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Leno told the court he received a number of calls from the accuser, most of them resulting in messages left on his voice mail, although he spoke to the boy once to return the calls. The messages were left while the boy was in the hospital receiving treatment for cancer and had hoped to meet his favorite celebrities. When the talk-show host called back, the boy was "groggy," Leno said, and yet "something didn't click." "It seemed like it was overscripted," Leno testified. "He was too effective for a 12-year-old."

However, Leno was ineffective for someone who makes a living with his punch lines. According to Thomas Mesereau's opening statement, the defense had anticipated Leno would say more than this, that he was suspicious of the calls and thought the family was "looking for a mark." Leno conceded that the boy might have been reaching out for financial help, saying, "Yeah, probably, I thought maybe they were looking for money." But under cross-examination, Leno admitted the boy never asked for money.

Leno said he told mutual friend and comedian Louise Palanker that he thought the accuser was calling him too much, and she said she'd take care of it. Leno never heard from the accuser or his family again, he said.

Though Leno often cracks jokes at Jackson's expense on "The Tonight Show," the singer is housing the comic at Neverland during his stay in the area.

[gldstwmn]

I love this place! You ask for somethen, you get it! Fast! :laugh: :nod: Thank you. :thumbsup:

Happy to be of service. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Thanks. That's not so bad.
Yeah, but it still paints a less than flattering picture of the boy and his family. Even though it was much, it hinted that even Leno was suspicious.

[shackin'up]

What the f*ck is up with this country. UNbelievable! How many times does he get to do this???????????????


Come on Homer, your jury-system is the best in the world. Always an objective weighing of the facts. The guy's not guilty. He's been surrounded by geriatric patients 24 hours aday for the main part of his life.

[amber]

Yeah, but it still paints a less than flattering picture of the boy and his family. Even though it was much, it hinted that even Leno was suspicious.
I mean, it's not so bad as in, he wasn't up there to totally defend Michael. And it sounds like the boy's family is suspicious. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

What the f*ck is up with this country. UNbelievable! How many times does he get to do this???????????????
Actually, I'm still more pissed at Rober Blake's trial. C'mon, he basically pleaded "not guilty, but the bitch had it coming."

[SteveMacD]

I mean, it's not so bad as in, he wasn't up there to totally defend Michael. And it sounds like the boy's family is suspicious. :shrug:
Which is my point, really. The equation is pretty simple. Leno=trusted. Boy's family=suspicious. Leno=Denfense. Boy's family=prosecution. Michael Jackson=Not Guilty.

[Livia]

Girl, she was already on Court TV with her nostrils flaring. :lol: She should be good and wound up by tonight.
She also said that since the jury wasn't looking at him, they must have returned a guilty verdict. Nah nah Nancy.

I love her! It's like watching Judd Nelson in drag! :lol:

[amber]

Which is my point, really. The equation is pretty simple. Leno=trusted. Boy's family=suspicious. Leno=Denfense. Boy's family=prosecution. Michael Jackson=Not Guilty.
Yeah, great. Sorry, I wasn't talking about your point, I was wondering what Leno said, and if it was like, all about being there for Michael. And after I read that, I decided it wasn't. It was just telling what happened when he met those kids's parents.

[strandinthewind]

Can't wait to watch Nancy Grace tonite :blob2:


She is soooooooooooooooooo gonna have that one eye half closed cockeyed and wild eyes drunk Southern hanging judge look about her :laugh: Bless her heart :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Ooh la la...Anderson Cooper busted out the pin stripe suit for this evening's broadcast. Gawd, he's beautiful.

[GODDESS6]

She is soooooooooooooooooo gonna have that one eye half closed cockeyed and wild eyes drunk Southern hanging judge look about her :laugh: Bless her heart :laugh:
i looooooooove nancy, she said she was eating her crow sandwich :lol: :laugh: ~

[gldstwmn]

She is soooooooooooooooooo gonna have that one eye half closed cockeyed and wild eyes drunk Southern hanging judge look about her :laugh: Bless her heart :laugh:

The eye makeup is sooo drag...and yet, it works for her. :shrug: :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I mean, it's not so bad as in, he wasn't up there to totally defend Michael. And it sounds like the boy's family is suspicious. :shrug:

There's no doubt about that. The mother is as shady as they come.

[gldstwmn]

Actually, I'm still more pissed at Rober Blake's trial. C'mon, he basically pleaded "not guilty, but the bitch had it coming."

The most compelling thing about that trial was the speech he gave afterward outside the courthouse. :o

[gldstwmn]

I love her! It's like watching Judd Nelson in drag! :lol:

Hmmm...a new way for me to watch Nancy. :lol:

[The Tower]

Ooh la la...Anderson Cooper busted out the pin stripe suit for this evening's broadcast. Gawd, he's beautiful.
Don't even get me started on that hottie.... :thumbsup:

[misterbug]

all i can say is, "i told you so." i said all along his innocence would be proven in a court of law.

vindicated,
misterbug

[sparky]

Don't even get me started on that hottie.... :thumbsup:

I would like to get started on him. It would be an extended session, you bet your bottom dollar. :nod:

[sparky]

all i can say is, "i told you so." i said all along his innocence would be proven in a court of law.

vindicated,
misterbug

Now he can just go to Thailand and purchase boy sex slaves outright.

[The Tower]

I would like to get started on him. It would be an extended session, you bet your bottom dollar. :nod:
Me too, my dear.... me, TOO!!!!

{fans flushed face}

[strandinthewind]

There's no doubt about that. The mother is as shady as they come.


and the jurors totally hated her, one said "I twas like you don't snap your fingers at me" - and they thought she was a fraud, cheat, and a grifter. I still am in all the prosecution laid their entire case on that filth.

[estranged4life]

Unless you're Martha Stewart. :laugh:

but I betcha Martha isnt minding her "conviction" now, She is worth even more $$$ after her lil' stay in, (What I will use as a term lightly) "that prison" she served her sentence in.

Besides everyone knows the Martha BS was a joke, I still laugh at how most made a big deal outta nuthin' in regards to her "conviction".

[SteveMacD]

Well, that crazy beyoch Nancy Grace actually ate a crow sandwich on her HNN show. God, everybody involved in this trial is a freak!

[strandinthewind]

Well, that crazy beyoch Nancy Grace actually ate a crow sandwich on her HNN show. God, everybody involved in this trial is a freak!


I know - then she tried initially to spin this as if MJ's celebrity got him off, which was 100% not supported by the jurors' comments she then -played immediately thereafter :rolleyes: I mean if your gonna eat crow - eat it. The bottom line if the victim's family are crooks and the jury just did not believe the rest of the people because their stories were contradicted. The timeline in this case was also very very important as the prosecution seemingly proved nothing during that timeline. What a mess up of a case.

[gldstwmn]

Don't even get me started on that hottie.... :thumbsup:

:laugh: Did you love the blue shirt he was wearing that brought out his blue eyes? The man gives me the vapors. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

OOOOHHHHH NANCY - she tried to go for the throat of the fury foreperson by asking him what he though MJ was doing with those kids at night in bed alone - and he just flat out shut her down by saying I cannot tell you my personal view, I can just tell you what the evidence presented said. Now she is asking her other guests to validate her. What a hack.

[gldstwmn]

all i can say is, "i told you so." i said all along his innocence would be proven in a court of law.

vindicated,
misterbug

I don't think he's innocent and given the interviews with the jury on television this evening, they weren't too sure of it either. They just felt that his guilt could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a good jury and that is how our system is supposed to work.

[gldstwmn]

I would like to get started on him. It would be an extended session, you bet your bottom dollar. :nod:

Woohoo! :woohoo:

[strandinthewind]

Nancy is just taking it on the chin - "Nancy - can't you just let it go" :eek: :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

and the jurors totally hated her, one said "I twas like you don't snap your fingers at me" - and they thought she was a fraud, cheat, and a grifter. I still am in all the prosecution laid their entire case on that filth.

I know. I heard them talk about that. What the hell was she thinking? A smooth grifter she is not. :lol:

[Livia]

OOOOHHHHH NANCY - she tried to go for the throat of the fury foreperson by asking him what he though MJ was doing with those kids at night in bed alone - and he just flat out shut her down by saying I cannot tell you my personal view, I can just tell you what the evidence presented said. Now she is asking her other guests to validate her. What a hack.

I know, she's all: "He's a 40-something year old man who sleeps with little boys EVERY night! DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT? YOU DO, RIGHT? RIGHT??"

I liked the woman on the jury who pointed out that he wasn't on trial for owning pornography - making her point that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, what he WAS being charged for....

I know some people who believe this whole thing is an elaborate publicity stunt. Makes you wonder....

[gldstwmn]

but I betcha Martha isnt minding her "conviction" now, She is worth even more $$$ after her lil' stay in, (What I will use as a term lightly) "that prison" she served her sentence in.

Besides everyone knows the Martha BS was a joke, I still laugh at how most made a big deal outta nuthin' in regards to her "conviction".


That's why she is the businesswoman that she is. :nod: Martha is no fool.

[gldstwmn]

Well, that crazy beyoch Nancy Grace actually ate a crow sandwich on her HNN show. God, everybody involved in this trial is a freak!

Are you kidding me? :lol: I missed that. I'll have to watch the replay later. BTW, she went easy on the eye makeup tonight. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

OOOOHHHHH NANCY - she tried to go for the throat of the fury foreperson by asking him what he though MJ was doing with those kids at night in bed alone - and he just flat out shut her down by saying I cannot tell you my personal view, I can just tell you what the evidence presented said. Now she is asking her other guests to validate her. What a hack.

I know! He held his own against Nancy "flaring nostrils of justice" Grace!

[strandinthewind]

I know, she's all: "He's a 40-something year old man who sleeps with little boys EVERY night! DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT? YOU DO, RIGHT? RIGHT??"

I liked the woman on the jury who pointed out that he wasn't on trial for owning pornography - making her point that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, what he WAS being charged for....

I know some people who believe this whole thing is an elaborate publicity stunt. Makes you wonder....

He sooooooo did not bow to her - I have seen that tactic sooo many times in court - it is sidestepping the issue, which here was:

Did the prosecution prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt

which is wildly different from any juror's personal views.

I really do not like Nancy and think she is a hack. She was an unethical lawyer when she practiced here and has been called down by the court more than once for her misconduct, which was essentially bending the truth to facilitate a conviction otherwise unsustainable from the fact and evidence she could obtain a- see http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/cl-et-rutten14may14,0,3582970.column

So, I do enjoy watching her high and mighty a$$ getting skewered by a lay person :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Nancy is just taking it on the chin - "Nancy - can't you just let it go" :eek: :laugh:

Her left eyelid is starting to droop. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Are you kidding me? :lol: I missed that. I'll have to watch the replay later. BTW, she went easy on the eye makeup tonight. :lol:


I think she cried for being wrong :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Her left eyelid is starting to droop. :lol:


I know - esp. with that lawyer "Jane?" who told Nancy to let it go and quit rehashing :laugh: Now, she called her "friend" twice.

[gldstwmn]

I know - esp. with that lawyer "Jane?" who told Nancy to let it go and quit rehashing :laugh: Now, she called her "friend" twice.

Up next: Larry King Live. Should be good.

[lagringader&r]

Holy ****e! Full acquittal. :shocked:

One censored word. Unf*ckingbelievable.. :distress:

[macfanken]

I LOVE Nancy Grace! Yes, she's completely out of her mind, bat**** crazy, needs meds... but I love her for that! Speaking of Nancy and Court TV... did anyone catch the white-wing dove lady? She released a white dove everytime a not guilty verdict was announced... it was hilaaaarious!! :laugh: Finally, a group of fans nuttier than Stevie fans! :lol: Oops, did I say that? :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I LOVE Nancy Grace! Yes, she's completely out of her mind, bat**** crazy, needs meds... but I love her for that! Speaking of Nancy and Court TV... did anyone catch the white-wing dove lady? She released a white dove everytime a not guilty verdict was announced... it was hilaaaarious!! :laugh: Finally, a group of fans nuttier than Stevie fans! :lol: Oops, did I say that? :laugh:

Oh yes...I was waiting for her to whip Prince in his Purple Rain outfit out of her box there. :lol:

[goldustboi]

You know, for a group of people who clearly cant stand Michael Jackson, you do spend an awful lot of time chatting about him.

And dont give me this 'were concerned about the kids' cr*p, the only way any of you have of knowing about the way he raises his kids is via tablod rubbish like Court TV, and if you believe what they say then, gosh, im so sorry for you. The people who know him praise him as a great father, so Im not sure what gives you the right to make any judgements.

As far as Im concerned the only mistake he's ever made is sharing a bed with young boys. And thats because most people here obviously associate beds with sex, not everybody does, least of all kids, and thats pretty much what Michael Jackson is.

And please dont respond to this by telling me what a freak he is because Iv heard it all before and am able to get a more intelligent argument from my 6 year old nephew.

[strandinthewind]

You know, for a group of people who clearly cant stand Michael Jackson, you do spend an awful lot of time chatting about him.

And dont give me this 'were concerned about the kids' cr*p, the only way any of you have of knowing about the way he raises his kids is via tablod rubbish like Court TV, and if you believe what they say then, gosh, im so sorry for you. The people who know him praise him as a great father, so Im not sure what gives you the right to make any judgements.

As far as Im concerned the only mistake he's ever made is sharing a bed with young boys. And thats because most people here obviously associate beds with sex, not everybody does, least of all kids, and thats pretty much what Michael Jackson is.

And please dont respond to this by telling me what a freak he is because Iv heard it all before and am able to get a more intelligent argument from my 6 year old nephew.

Then go argue with your six year old nephew - he probably gives more of a shiite than people around here do if you take that snippy little holier than thou attitude :rolleyes:

[dissention]

The people who know him praise him as a great father, so Im not sure what gives you the right to make any judgements.

You're right. I don't know what I could possibly be thinking. He dangles his baby from a hotel room balcony and forces his little children to wear masks and veils. He refuses them any contact with the birth mother and rears them in such a healthy, wonderful environment. He's a regular Father of the Year.

Gimme a ****ing break. He's a goddamned pedophile. Don't give this song and dance about "All he does is share his bed with boys, nothing else" because you know that's horse **** as much as I do. If he's such an innocent victim, he wouldn't have paid off his other accusers. If he's such an innocent victim, he would have fought the charges. I'm so sick of this "He's just eccentric" hogwash. He's as eccentric as I am black. He's mentally ill is what he is, and a pedophile to boot. Go put YOUR kid in bed with him if you have such great faith in him and his ability to keep his paws to himself.

[gldstwmn]

You know, for a group of people who clearly cant stand Michael Jackson, you do spend an awful lot of time chatting about him.

And dont give me this 'were concerned about the kids' cr*p, the only way any of you have of knowing about the way he raises his kids is via tablod rubbish like Court TV, and if you believe what they say then, gosh, im so sorry for you. The people who know him praise him as a great father, so Im not sure what gives you the right to make any judgements.

As far as Im concerned the only mistake he's ever made is sharing a bed with young boys. And thats because most people here obviously associate beds with sex, not everybody does, least of all kids, and thats pretty much what Michael Jackson is.

And please dont respond to this by telling me what a freak he is because Iv heard it all before and am able to get a more intelligent argument from my 6 year old nephew.

Well then, what more is there to say? :blob1:

[gldstwmn]

You're right. I don't know what I could possibly be thinking. He dangles his baby from a hotel room balcony and forces his little children to wear masks and veils. He refuses them any contact with the birth mother and rears them in such a healthy, wonderful environment. He's a regular Father of the Year.

Gimme a ****ing break. He's a goddamned pedophile. Don't give this song and dance about "All he does is share his bed with boys, nothing else" because you know that's horse **** as much as I do. If he's such an innocent victim, he wouldn't have paid off his other accusers. If he's such an innocent victim, he would have fought the charges. I'm so sick of this "He's just eccentric" hogwash. He's as eccentric as I am black. He's mentally ill is what he is, and a pedophile to boot. Go put YOUR kid in bed with him if you have such great faith in him and his ability to keep his paws to himself.

There ya go. :nod:

[skcin]

You know, for a group of people who clearly cant stand Michael Jackson, you do spend an awful lot of time chatting about him.

Well, this is the Chit Chat forum - we chat about all kinds of nutjobs here, not just MJ.


And dont give me this 'were concerned about the kids' cr*p, the only way any of you have of knowing about the way he raises his kids is via tablod rubbish like Court TV, and if you believe what they say then, gosh, im so sorry for you. The people who know him praise him as a great father, so Im not sure what gives you the right to make any judgements.

Really? When? Who has praised him & said he's a great father? Latoya? Yeah, she's credible.

And we all have the right to make any judgments we want. Even a 6 year old knows that everyone's entitled to their own opinions.


As far as Im concerned the only mistake he's ever made is sharing a bed with young boys. And thats because most people here obviously associate beds with sex, not everybody does, least of all kids, and thats pretty much what Michael Jackson is.

No, dear, he is not a kid. He is a 40-something year old man. And if his mind really is like a child's, then he is mentally ill.


And please dont respond to this by telling me what a freak he is because Iv heard it all before and am able to get a more intelligent argument from my 6 year old nephew.

I don't think he's a freak. I think he's a pedophile. Ask your nephew if he knows what that word means. Then go & let him sleep in MJ's bed.

[jannieC]

The thing that bothers me the most about his acquittal (other than the fact that a guilty pervert freak has been let off) is that because he's so famous, this may be sending out a huge message to kids. DON'T TELL, because it won't do any good.

Pedophiles make it their business to surround themselves with kids, hence Freakboy Neverland Ranch. To anyone who is supporting him, please take off your fan goggles and see this person for what he is. And educate the children in your lives (maybe your six year old nephew, goldustboi) about how important it is to tell SOMEONE about abuse/molestation.

[goldustboi]

You're right. I don't know what I could possibly be thinking. He dangles his baby from a hotel room balcony and forces his little children to wear masks and veils. He refuses them any contact with the birth mother and rears them in such a healthy, wonderful environment. He's a regular Father of the Year.

Gimme a ****ing break. He's a goddamned pedophile. Don't give this song and dance about "All he does is share his bed with boys, nothing else" because you know that's horse **** as much as I do. If he's such an innocent victim, he wouldn't have paid off his other accusers. If he's such an innocent victim, he would have fought the charges. I'm so sick of this "He's just eccentric" hogwash. He's as eccentric as I am black. He's mentally ill is what he is, and a pedophile to boot. Go put YOUR kid in bed with him if you have such great faith in him and his ability to keep his paws to himself.


My word you are an angry person.

Your post is simply RIDDLED with misinformed statements. E.g. when MJ has settled out of court in the past its because of advice he has taken from his people, if you could see through this bizarre hatred induced obsession with Michael Jackson you apparantly have, and do some research (No, I dont mean watching Court TV) then you'll have a clearer understanding of what went on and discover that the settlements were not his ideas - another example of how, being so naive, has gotten himself into trouble, by listening to people who make bad decisions FOR him.

Now go take some valium. :D

[trackaghost]

My word you are an angry person.

Your post is simply RIDDLED with misinformed statements. E.g. when MJ has settled out of court in the past its because of advice he has taken from his people, if you could see through this bizarre hatred induced obsession with Michael Jackson you apparantly have, and do some research (No, I dont mean watching Court TV) then you'll have a clearer understanding of what went on and discover that the settlements were not his ideas - another example of how, being so naive, has gotten himself into trouble, by listening to people who make bad decisions FOR him.

Now go take some valium. :D


I don't know, wasn't Michael's biggest mistake sharing a bed with young boys. Did his people advise him to do that then?

The problem is here, is that Michael should have learned a huge lesson the first time round, that people simply do not approve of adult men sleeping with young boys. It is not the done thing, even if he's completely innocent. Despite being accused of abuse by Jordy Chandler and going through such a traumatic time as a result of that, Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it! Classic symptoms of a paedophile I'd say.

I'd love to know, of his defenders, how many of them would let their child sleep in the same bed of a 46-year-old man.

Anyway, he's ruined now and his name is forever linked with child abuse. He won't be making a comeback and hopefully he doesn't have enough money to attract gold diggers who are willing to put their child in danger in exchange for a few bucks.

[sparky]

I don't know, wasn't Michael's biggest mistake sharing a bed with young boys. Did his people advise him to do that then ?

I am supposing someone "advised" him to buy the picture books of naked young boys, the other porn, and the hallway to his bedroom that "alerts" the occupants when someone is approaching ?

Who advised this, John Wayne Gacy ?

[strandinthewind]

I am supposing someone "advised" him to buy the picture books of naked young boys, the other porn, and the hallway to his bedroom that "alerts" the occupants when someone is approaching ?

Who advised this, John Wayne Gacy ?


Well, not only that, but any advice he got from any of his people does not obviate the fact that the prior victim was able to identify markings on Jackson's penis much less the porn you mentioned. He got lucky that the first victim could be bought off as that person had a MUCH better case than this last one.

As for the alert in the hallway - that is standard panic room issue for many rich people and stars. So, it does not concern me as much. Though, it being standard issue does not mean MJ did not use it to further his otherwise nefarious intent.

[goldustboi]

I don't know, wasn't Michael's biggest mistake sharing a bed with young boys. Did his people advise him to do that then?

The problem is here, is that Michael should have learned a huge lesson the first time round, that people simply do not approve of adult men sleeping with young boys. It is not the done thing, even if he's completely innocent. Despite being accused of abuse by Jordy Chandler and going through such a traumatic time as a result of that, Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it! Classic symptoms of a paedophile I'd say.

I'd love to know, of his defenders, how many of them would let their child sleep in the same bed of a 46-year-old man.

Anyway, he's ruined now and his name is forever linked with child abuse. He won't be making a comeback and hopefully he doesn't have enough money to attract gold diggers who are willing to put their child in danger in exchange for a few bucks.




I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know.

People really have difficulty even trying to understand what kind of life Michael Jackson has lead so I really can't see how anybody can compare his value system to their own. I'm not trying to say that this would justify anything he ever did, but people presume that because Michael Jackson is in a bed with somebody, he's having, or at least trying to have sex with somebody.

And Im pretty sure he will make a comeback. There may be a lot of MJ haters but there's also still a helluva lot of people who like him and his music.

[ontheEdgeof17]

And Im pretty sure he will make a comeback. There may be a lot of MJ haters but there's also still a helluva lot of people who like him and his music.


He has tried twice. Still, no avail. His Greatest Hits was a flop...so was his Invincible album. Maybe a third time is a charm? :rolleyes: Personally his new material sucks. His dancing hasn't change a bit since the 70s. He needs to retire.

[jannieC]

I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know.



Just because someone is familiar with symptoms of mental illness, doesn't mean that they come across it in daily life. Why can't you just make your point without ignorant comments like that?

[strandinthewind]

I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know . . . .

I think it is a little disingenuous for you to state that MJ is not a pedophile if you know little about what that is - :shrug:

But, for your edification:

PEDOPHILIA

A preference for repetitive sexual activity with prepubertal children.

(See also Ch. 264.)

Arbitrarily, the age of a person with this disorder is set at >= 16 yr, with the age difference between him and the child victim set at >= 5 yr. The age of the child is generally <= 13 yr. For older adolescents with pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified; clinical judgment is relied on. When the victim is postpubertal, the disorder is frequently labeled child molestation or ephebophilia (attraction to youths) rather than pedophilia.

Pedophiles prefer opposite-sex to same-sex children 2:1. Heterosexually oriented males tend to prefer girls aged 8 to 10 yr; in most cases, the adult is known to the child. Looking or touching seems more prevalent than genital contact. Homosexually oriented males prefer boys aged 10 to 13 yr, and their acquaintanceship with the child is more casual than that of heterosexually oriented males. Bisexual adult pedophiles usually choose children < 8 yr. Exclusive pedophiles are attracted only to children; nonexclusive types may also be attracted to adults.

Pedophiles may limit their sexual activities to their own children or close relatives (incest) or may also victimize other children. Predatory pedophiles may use force and threaten to physically harm the children or their pets if they disclose the sexual abuse. The course of pedophilia is chronic and may be complicated by substance abuse or dependence, depression, marital conflict, or antisocial personality disorder.

Sexual offenses against children constitute a significant proportion of reported criminal sexual acts. The recidivism rate for homosexual pedophilia is second only to exhibitionism, ranging from 13 to 28% of those apprehended--roughly twice the rate of heterosexual pedophilia.

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/CVMHighLight?file=/mrkshared/mmanual/section15/chapter192/192d.jsp%3Fregion%3Dmerckcom&word=pedophilia&domain=www.merck.com#hl_anchor

[goldustboi]

He has tried twice. Still, no avail. His Greatest Hits was a flop...so was his Invincible album. Maybe a third time is a charm? :rolleyes: Personally his new material sucks. His dancing hasn't change a bit since the 70s. He needs to retire.


Id love to know what your definition of a flop is. Invincible sold 10 million copies worldwide - the only reason people say it flopped is because he's never been able to surpass the sales of Thriller - but who has? If by your definition Invincible was a flop, the Say You Will and TISL must be complete disasters.

And JannieC, I find it incredible how you can call me ignorant when 99% of the comments on this post are made up of ignorant comments towards Michael Jackson. If anybody here is ignorant, then it sure as hell isnt me.

[skcin]

Id love to know what your definition of a flop is. Invincible sold 10 million copies worldwide - the only reason people say it flopped is because he's never been able to surpass the sales of Thriller - but who has? If by your definition Invincible was a flop, the Say You Will and TISL must be complete disasters.

And JannieC, I find it incredible how you can call me ignorant when 99% of the comments on this post are made up of ignorant comments towards Michael Jackson. If anybody here is ignorant, then it sure as hell isnt me.


Out of curiousity, how many copies did it sell in the U.S.?

[goldustboi]

I think it is a little disingenuous for you to state that MJ is not a pedophile if you know little about what that is - :shrug:

But, for your edification:

PEDOPHILIA

A preference for repetitive sexual activity with prepubertal children.

(See also Ch. 264.)

Arbitrarily, the age of a person with this disorder is set at >= 16 yr, with the age difference between him and the child victim set at >= 5 yr. The age of the child is generally <= 13 yr. For older adolescents with pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified; clinical judgment is relied on. When the victim is postpubertal, the disorder is frequently labeled child molestation or ephebophilia (attraction to youths) rather than pedophilia.

Pedophiles prefer opposite-sex to same-sex children 2:1. Heterosexually oriented males tend to prefer girls aged 8 to 10 yr; in most cases, the adult is known to the child. Looking or touching seems more prevalent than genital contact. Homosexually oriented males prefer boys aged 10 to 13 yr, and their acquaintanceship with the child is more casual than that of heterosexually oriented males. Bisexual adult pedophiles usually choose children < 8 yr. Exclusive pedophiles are attracted only to children; nonexclusive types may also be attracted to adults.

Pedophiles may limit their sexual activities to their own children or close relatives (incest) or may also victimize other children. Predatory pedophiles may use force and threaten to physically harm the children or their pets if they disclose the sexual abuse. The course of pedophilia is chronic and may be complicated by substance abuse or dependence, depression, marital conflict, or antisocial personality disorder.

Sexual offenses against children constitute a significant proportion of reported criminal sexual acts. The recidivism rate for homosexual pedophilia is second only to exhibitionism, ranging from 13 to 28% of those apprehended--roughly twice the rate of heterosexual pedophilia.

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/CVMHighLight?file=/mrkshared/mmanual/section15/chapter192/192d.jsp%3Fregion%3Dmerckcom&word=pedophilia&domain=www.merck.com#hl_anchor


Hang on a mo. I really dont see the relevance of this. According to trackaghost "Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it" - Im not entirely sure where this falls into your definition of a paedophile? Im sure anything MJ does from now on people will say "Oh yeah, classic paedophile behaviour that is"

[skcin]

Out of curiousity, how many copies did it sell in the U.S.?


Just repeating my question. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Hang on a mo. I really dont see the relevance of this. According to trackaghost "Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it" - Im not entirely sure where this falls into your definition of a paedophile? Im sure anything MJ does from now on people will say "Oh yeah, classic paedophile behaviour that is"


You said:

"I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know . . . ."

So, I published that info. from the Merck Manual so you would know. I mean if you are going to say MJ is not a pedophile and then say "I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays 'Classic symptoms of a paedophile'" - well, that is inconsistent as the former presumes you know what a ped. is.

But, to the current point - MJ is an adult hanging around with kids in the range that info. suggested and he exhibits control over them or their parents by buying them things. Moreover, MJ has a pattern of kids accusing him of Ped. behavior, some of which he has paid to make go away - thus a pattern exists. That is how that info. was relevant.

[Moony]

Out of curiousity, how many copies did it sell in the U.S.?
Well, the RIAA website lists it as selling 2 million, and I think they only count US sales :)

[Moony]

And Im pretty sure he will make a comeback. There may be a lot of MJ haters but there's also still a helluva lot of people who like him and his music.
Nope. He's pretty much a talentless hack at this point, except for his freakish dancing which I never saw the appeal in anyway.

[dissention]

Nope. He's pretty much a talentless hack at this point, except for his freakish dancing which I never saw the appeal in anyway.

:nod:

But I need valium, according to golddustboi, so what do I know... In the span of two hours, I've been accused of being a cooter that needs valium. :D

[Moony]

:nod:

But I need valium, according to golddustboi, so what do I know... In the span of two hours, I've been accused of being a cooter that needs valium. :D
don't we all need valium? :laugh: Stop complaining you pill-popping cooter!!!

:xoxo:

[skcin]

Well, the RIAA website lists it as selling 2 million, and I think they only count US sales :)


Thanks for answering my question. This boi doesn't seem to want to acknowledge my posts, he's ignored all of them. :shrug: Maybe I'm on ignore.

[Moony]

Thanks for answering my question. This boi doesn't seem to want to acknowledge my posts, he's ignored all of them. :shrug: Maybe I'm on ignore.
No prob bob...I mean paula ;) . I'd just ignore golddustboi if I were you. Seems like a troll to me.

[skcin]

:nod:

But I need valium, according to golddustboi, so what do I know... In the span of two hours, I've been accused of being a cooter that needs valium. :D


That just doesn't sound safe - valium in a cooter? :o Be careful, Harry. :cool:

[goldustboi]

You said:

"I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know . . . ."

So, I published that info. from the Merck Manual so you would know. I mean if you are going to say MJ is not a pedophile and then say "I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays 'Classic symptoms of a paedophile'" - well, that is inconsistent as the former presumes you know what a ped. is.

But, to the current point - MJ is an adult hanging around with kids in the range that info. suggested and he exhibits control over them or their parents by buying them things. Moreover, MJ has a pattern of kids accusing him of Ped. behavior, some of which he has paid to make go away - thus a pattern exists. That is how that info. was relevant.


You're right, a pattern does exist - the parents are all after money. If your child was sexually molested would you be happy with a money settlement? I know Id want justice. Its funny how Evan Chandler wasnt too bothered about justice, as long as he got his film business up and running (which is why he approached MJ for money in the first place. MJ said no and lo and behold, the accusations begin.)

[skcin]

No prob bob...I mean paula ;) . I'd just ignore golddustboi if I were you. Seems like a troll to me.


What I want to know is why none of the trolls who come here can seem to post a complete sentence that makes sense? :shrug: Maybe he knows High Priestess.

[amber]

What I want to know is why none of the trolls who come here can seem to post a complete sentence that makes sense? :shrug: Maybe he knows High Priestess.
Trolls can't, because they don't like to read, or type, or spell. Mainly read. This is also partly why they grow into generally trollish type people. Their brains are, possibly, 3 sizes to small. See how it all fits together? :lol:

[strandinthewind]

You're right, a pattern does exist - the parents are all after money. If your child was sexually molested would you be happy with a money settlement? I know Id want justice. Its funny how Evan Chandler wasnt too bothered about justice, as long as he got his film business up and running (which is why he approached MJ for money in the first place. MJ said no and lo and behold, the accusations begin.)

The first victim identified markings on Jackson's penis. It is hard to get away from that because MJ had no business letting anyone see his penis in his bedroom if that person was an underage child.

Plus, though the current jurors did not convict MJ as to these facts, they pretty much all said MJ was a ped. that the prosecution did not present a case strong enough to convict.

Finally, MJ had porn in his bedroom, where he entertained in some fashion these young kids, and one of their fingerprints was on the porn. I mean that is also pretty hard to get away from.

So, I think it is unfair of you to imply if not state that every person who thinks MJ is a ped. is nuts :shrug:

On edit - did all of the victims ask for money as well. I know the first one and this last one did, but there were others.

[strandinthewind]

:nod:

But I need valium, according to golddustboi, so what do I know... In the span of two hours, I've been accused of being a cooter that needs valium. :D


it will dialate your cooter :eek: :laugh:

[skcin]

Trolls can't, because they don't like to read, or type, or spell. Mainly read. This is also partly why they grow into generally trollish type people. Their brains are, possibly, 3 sizes to small. See how it all fits together? :lol:



Awwww. Almost makes you feel bad for the little critters. But not really. :rolleyes:

[Street Angel]

Invincible sold 10 million copies worldwide

I'm still wondering where those other 8 million (!?) copies outside the US are supposed to have been sold. It certainly wasn't Europe. :confused:

[skcin]

I'm still wondering where those other 8 million (!?) copies outside the US are supposed to have been sold. It certainly wasn't Europe. :confused:


Really? I thought he was still pretty popular over there, at least compared to here in the U.S.

[Street Angel]

You're right, He IS still more popular in Europe than in the US, however, his sales in Europe have considerably declined since the late 90's nevertheless. "Invincible" definitely didn't sell much (let alone EIGHT million copies!) over here. :)

[goldustboi]

1. Invincible did in fact sell 10 million copies worldwide despite what StreetAngel may think.

2. 2 out of 12 jurors thought MJ had molested boys - I would hardly describe 2 out of 12 as being 'most'.

[gldstwmn]

2. 2 out of 12 jurors thought MJ had molested boys - I would hardly describe 2 out of 12 as being 'most'.

I don't recall the other 10 being asked.

[The Tower]

Your post is simply RIDDLED with misinformed statements. E.g. when MJ has settled out of court in the past its because of advice he has taken from his people, if you could see through this bizarre hatred induced obsession with Michael Jackson you apparantly have, and do some research (No, I dont mean watching Court TV) then you'll have a clearer understanding of what went on and discover that the settlements were not his ideas - another example of how, being so naive, has gotten himself into trouble, by listening to people who make bad decisions FOR him.
I wonder who advised him to have oral sex with Jordie Chandler in a Monaco hotel?

[strandinthewind]

1. Invincible did in fact sell 10 million copies worldwide despite what StreetAngel may think.

2. 2 out of 12 jurors thought MJ had molested boys - I would hardly describe 2 out of 12 as being 'most'.


They directly polled all twelve on that question? I do not think so. So, do not state a fact that is not. In fact, the foreperson said "we" thought he was guilty of being a ped. but the facts of this case were too weak to convict on the exact charges. If you have proof otherwise, let's see it.

Also, you have yet to refute:

The first victim identified markings on Jackson's penis. It is hard to get away from that because MJ had no business letting anyone see his penis in his bedroom if that person was an underage child.

...

Finally, MJ had porn in his bedroom, where he entertained in some fashion these young kids, and one of their fingerprints was on the porn. I mean that is also pretty hard to get away from.

...

On edit - did all of the victims ask for money as well. I know the first one and this last one did, but there were others.

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