Katie Holmes embracing Scientology [Archive]

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 01:26 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/13/people.holmes.ap/index.html

LONDON, England (AP) -- Katie Holmes says she's converting to the Church of Scientology, embracing the religion of her boyfriend, Tom Cruise.

Holmes, in London to promote her new film, "Batman Begins," said Monday that she's excited about her lessons in Scientology, a religion founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

The 26-year-old actress and Cruise went public with their romantic relationship in April. The former Catholic and star of television's "Dawson's Creek" grew up with a poster of Cruise on her bedroom wall and has said she grew up wanting to marry him.

"We all keep dreaming, and luckily, dreams come true," Holmes said.

Cruise was in Tokyo Monday for the premiere of his new film, "War of the Worlds."

In an interview in the June 17 issue of Entertainment Weekly, the 42-year-old actor was asked if Holmes is curious about Scientology.

"Yeah, absolutely. She digs it," he tells the magazine.

In response to a question about whether he'd asked Holmes not to do "Factory Girl" -- about Edie Sedgwick and Andy Warhol -- because of the drug use in the movie, Cruise says: "I don't even know what 'Factory Girl' is."

He adds: "Listen, the thing you've got to know about Katie is that she's an incredibly bright and self-determined woman. She makes her own decisions."

Cruise was previously married to Mimi Rogers and Nicole Kidman, and dated Penelope Cruz for several years.

Holmes and actor Chris Klein recently called off their engagement, after dating for five years.

When asked by Entertainment Weekly if he plans to propose to Holmes, Cruise replies: "It's gonna happen, man. It'll happen."

skcin

06-13-2005, 01:26 PM

I was just about to post this! :eek:

RUN KATIE! RUN LIKE THE WIND!

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 01:27 PM

The virgin sacrifice. Run, Katie run!!! :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17

06-13-2005, 01:28 PM

They have shirts out now that say FREE KATIE.

Poor girl is being brainwashed. :distress:

sparky

06-13-2005, 01:31 PM

Yikes. She's been sucked into the cult.

I think journalists should stop referring to that thing as a church.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 01:38 PM

estranged4life

06-13-2005, 01:40 PM

a handgrenade, pull the pin and then pull Tom Cruise close before the "count of 10" :nod:

chiliD

06-13-2005, 01:41 PM

CreepingDeath

06-13-2005, 01:42 PM

"Yeah, absolutely. She digs it," he tells the magazine.

Oookay. :rolleyes:

On Saturday got the new Entertainmemt Weekly in the mail, and to my horror none other than Toothy Cruise was on the cover. :eek:

I hope his movie bombs. :woohoo:

chiliD

06-13-2005, 01:43 PM

So, I guess he must like her, which is just bizarre in its own roght because she is almost half his age...

Age is relative:

mentally" , "emotionally" & "chronologically" don't always meet. Katie & Tom no doubt meet in the first two, but obviously not the latter.

amber

06-13-2005, 01:50 PM

I love Tom, but, i gotta say....TROUBLE! (No, I don't love his religion. I love to watch him on screen).
Did anyone see her on Letterman? she was very, very dull. It was weird. I hope she was just nervous, or shy, or something, cause poor ol' Dave was really working... :distress:

jannieC

06-13-2005, 02:16 PM

wondergirl9847

06-13-2005, 02:43 PM

I just now saw that on Yahoo and was like "She is one of the stupidest people alive right now." Sesly, Katie, we get the joke...now RUN!!!!

Yeah, I'm gonna go make up my own religion so I can be a trazillionaire. See ya'll later. :wavey:

:rolleyes:

DrummerDeanna

06-13-2005, 02:46 PM

FrIIIIIIIIghtening!!!!!

Yikes. :eek:

sparky

06-13-2005, 03:28 PM

But, it makes no sense. Why would Scientology care about Katie Holmes. She is far from a big name star earining $20 or so million a picture. She is a relative no name in the big scheme of things. Moreover, Batman, of which she is not the star, seemingly will do well on its own as will War of the Worlds. So, I guess he must like her, which is just bizarre in its own roght because she is almost half his age, though that does happen all of the time I guess.

If anything, I think she has far more to gain by dating and/or marrying him.

They care about money Any money. And evidently, she is stupid enough to jump in and start spilling her guts on tape and paying them for the privelege.

Like her ? :laugh:

I'm sure he likes her well enough. Well enough to use her as a prop and full
time beard anyway...

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 03:37 PM

. . . . Well enough to use her as a prop and full
time beard anyway...

:nod:

Some of the stories I have heard from highly reliable sources are just incredible :eek:

amber

06-13-2005, 03:40 PM

:nod:

Some of the stories I have heard from highly reliable sources are just incredible :eek:
Why don't you outsource them for us right now? Hmmmm?

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 03:41 PM

Why don't you outsource them for us right now? Hmmmm?

I plead the Fifth!!!!!!

SuzeQuze

06-13-2005, 03:58 PM

Scientology IS NOT a "religion"...it's a "way of life", yeah; in the same way that doing the Landmark Forum or Werner Erhard's "EST" is a way of life...but to give scientology status as a "religion" is just wrong. L. Ron Hubbard is no messiah...just a well-funded sociologist.

Exactly, the Landmark people are the ones who run the forum, as you mentioned, which made my friend snap. Granted she probably had a predisposition but she never would have suffered from this "break" if she hadn't attended the forum. I felt awful for her. I went through it too and it was the most bizarre experience of my life. *Runs to get Free Katie t-shirt*

Jason, I think she is doing this more to please her boyfriend than anything else. Scientology just wants bodies and its just a plus if they are famous. They'll try and recruit anyone.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 04:00 PM

. . . Jason, I think she is doing this more to please her boyfriend than anything else. Scientology just wants bodies and its just a plus if they are famous. They'll try and recruit anyone.

I think so too.

SuzeQuze

06-13-2005, 04:01 PM

I think so too.

I knew she was going to do this too. :distress: My first thought was also that she is just dumb dumb dumb. Poor dear.

GateandGarden

06-13-2005, 04:09 PM

I just wanted to echo everyone else's sentiments and say that I agree-this is not good at all. :distress:

sparky

06-13-2005, 04:11 PM

:nod:

Some of the stories I have heard from highly reliable sources are just incredible :eek:

Oh, me too. Scandalous.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 04:11 PM

Oh, me too. Scandalous.

Where oh Where (he says in a Southern lilt) is Billy Masters and his Filth to Go when we need him :laugh:

amber

06-13-2005, 04:12 PM

Oh, me too. Scandalous.
Spill or Hush! You know I'm dying! :mad:

sparky

06-13-2005, 04:21 PM

Spill or Hush! You know I'm dying! :mad:

I knew you would be.

amber

06-13-2005, 04:23 PM

I knew you would be.
Why do you torment me when I write such great material for you?

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 04:58 PM

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 04:59 PM

I'm sure he likes her well enough. Well enough to use her as a prop and full
time beard anyway...

I'm sure they reached some sort of agreement before their very first date.

amber

06-13-2005, 05:02 PM

I saw the Letterman performance. Did you notice she was unable to answer the question of how they met?
Really? I kind of remember. I thought Dave quickly rephrased the question. And then she said something else like, reinacted how it was love at first site. Using only eye expressions. Yeah, guess you are right. :)

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 05:06 PM

Really? I kind of remember. I thought Dave quickly rephrased the question. And then she said something else like, reinacted how it was love at first site. Using only eye expressions. Yeah, guess you are right. :)

She launched into a story about swimming with dolphins.

amber

06-13-2005, 05:11 PM

She launched into a story about swimming with dolphins.
That was a bit later. Dave switched the question to "how long have you known him" I think. Anyway, wasn't she dull? Sheesh.

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 05:20 PM

That was a bit later. Dave switched the question to "how long have you known him" I think. Anyway, wasn't she dull? Sheesh.

I think that's why she was chosen. She's got the consistency of soggy bread, from what I've seen.

amber

06-13-2005, 05:25 PM

I think that's why she was chosen. She's got the consistency of soggy bread, from what I've seen.
:lol: :lol:
I'm suprised, her eyes look intelligent when she acts. in fact, I thought she was a fair actress. Anyway.

Serrart

06-13-2005, 05:26 PM

amber

06-13-2005, 05:29 PM

trackaghost

06-13-2005, 05:37 PM

skcin

06-13-2005, 05:37 PM

I just saw Batman Begins and decided that I really do hate Katie Holmes.
She has a wonky mouth, weird teeth and a weird child's face on a grown-up model's body. It just freaks me out.
I always thought she was a decent actress too but her role as Tom's new girlfriend ain't too convincing I must say.

What's wonky? I've never heard that word, but I think I love it!

trackaghost

06-13-2005, 05:38 PM

I disagree about his intelligence. I think that man has had more hits than anyone.

And War Of The World will be massive. I think he's good at picking his movies personally. He's generally had more hits than misses.

amber

06-13-2005, 05:39 PM

amber

06-13-2005, 05:40 PM

And War Of The World will be massive. I think he's good at picking his movies personally. He's generally had more hits than misses.
generally? Hasn't he had, like, 1 1/2 misses? Shrewd a loo, that's what.

trackaghost

06-13-2005, 05:41 PM

What's wonky? I've never heard that word, but I think I love it!

From the Cambridge dictionary:

Definition
wonky
adjective
1 UK INFORMAL shaky, weak or unsatisfactory:
One of the legs on this chair is a bit wonky.
He may have to stop playing cricket because of his wonky knee.
The jury system may be a bit wonky but nobody's ever thought of anything better.

2 INFORMAL not straight or level:
wonky teeth
a wonky picture
I don't enjoy those programmes with wonky camera angles and pop music.

:D

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 05:41 PM

I disagree about his intelligence. I think that man has had more hits than anyone.

I agree - he is far from unintelligent.

and - he is not really a one kind of act actor. Rainman, Cocktail, Collateral, Vanilla Sky, etc. were all very different types of parts :shrug:

trackaghost

06-13-2005, 05:43 PM

So...you hate her? I think she's pretty.

I used to like her. I will shamefully admit I was a Dawson's Creek addict at one point.
BUT in Batman Begins she bugged the hell out of me. Maybe it was seeing her wonky mouth on the big screen.
She looks so wrong playing a grown-up.

CreepingDeath

06-13-2005, 05:45 PM

From the Cambridge dictionary:

Definition
wonky
adjective
1 UK INFORMAL shaky, weak or unsatisfactory:
One of the legs on this chair is a bit wonky.
He may have to stop playing cricket because of his wonky knee.
The jury system may be a bit wonky but nobody's ever thought of anything better.

2 INFORMAL not straight or level:
wonky teeth
a wonky picture
I don't enjoy those programmes with wonky camera angles and pop music.

:D

Ah yes, wonky. My bf is English and uses that word often. Not to describe me of course. :p It's perfect for Katie though.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 05:49 PM

I really like Cruise's films personally.
I haven't seen The Last Samurai, but stuff like M:I-2, Minority Report, Collateral, all great films in my opinion.
AND I can't wait for War Of The Worlds.
I know some people here look down on Spielberg, but honestly Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, the Indy films - I grew up loving those films, I don't understand the hate at all.

I think it is the whole thing that FM went through after Rumors. I think people who are too cool for the room like to disassociate themselves from the popular things. But - to each their own :cool:

amber

06-13-2005, 05:50 PM

I used to like her. I will shamefully admit I was a Dawson's Creek addict at one point.
BUT in Batman Begins she bugged the hell out of me. Maybe it was seeing her wonky mouth on the big screen.
She looks so wrong playing a grown-up.
Actually, I had a little cognitive dissonance as well with that whole age thing, just watching her on Letterman. She was good in Ice Storm. :D

sparky

06-13-2005, 05:52 PM

I really like Cruise's films personally.
I haven't seen The Last Samurai, but stuff like M:I-2, Minority Report, Collateral, all great films in my opinion.
AND I can't wait for War Of The Worlds.
I know some people here look down on Spielberg, but honestly Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, the Indy films - I grew up loving those films, I don't understand the hate at all.

I thought Spielberg's first few films were good, but that he has turned into a feel good hack. Everything is always wrapped up in a neat little bow. I find him very formulaic and boring. But, I don't expect his movies to make me think. I saw Minority Report against my better judgement and hated it. Didn't see Schindler's List, and won't. I have had it up to my eyeballs with Holocaust movies.

amber

06-13-2005, 05:53 PM

I really like Cruise's films personally.
I haven't seen The Last Samurai, but stuff like M:I-2, Minority Report, Collateral, all great films in my opinion.
AND I can't wait for War Of The Worlds.
I know some people here look down on Spielberg, but honestly Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, the Indy films - I grew up loving those films, I don't understand the hate at all.
I thought his performances in Collateral and Interview w/A Vamp. were especially good. And I haven't seen BOTFOJ, but he got an Oscar Nod, right? And A Few Good Men is really, really, really, one of my very favorite movies. I didn't like him in Eyes Wide Shut, though. I thought that was a less than good performance.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 05:55 PM

I thought his performances in Collateral and Interview w/A Vamp. were especially good. And I haven't seen BOTFOJ, but he got an Oscar Nod, right? And A Few Good Men is really, really, really, one of my very favorite movies. I didn't like him in Eyes Wide Shut, though. I thought that was a less than good performance.

I thought the failure of EWS was mostly Kubricks and the subject matter or more Kubrick's interpretation of it. The story was very dated and outlandish. I thought he was okay in it, but horribly miscast. He does not play meek in a Kubrick fu&k fest very well :laugh:

amber

06-13-2005, 05:57 PM

Serrart

06-13-2005, 06:08 PM

I disagree about his intelligence. I think that man has had more hits than anyone.

I think his acting reflects his lack of intelligence. He doesn't learn, he's repetitive, the only thing he's good at is to exaggerate and luckily for him two great directors like Stone e P.T. Anderson and a good one, Michael Mann have been able to transform a defect in a quality, at least for three movies. He doesn't even try to build a character, there's no deepness, or creativity. Kubrick has built a statue to his incapacity to see, to react, to be an actor. That doesn't mean he can't be successful. I didn't say he was stupid, he knows what he can and what he can't do. But what he does hasn't for most of the time any interest for me. About the actual situation: if the story is true, he's proving to be incapable to protect from himself the woman he loves; if it isn't true he's been dull enough to accept this farce. In both cases he's not showing intelligence to me.

Romy

P.S Hmm... I guess now I can wait for my honorary Tom Cruise fan card. :woohoo:

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 08:03 PM

Tom Cruise is becoming a joke in Hollywood anyway... I mean a scientology tent on the set? He's never been intelligent but now he's becoming pathetic. And I don't see a long future for the story with Katie Holmes... she will be saved sooner or later. :)

Romy

Oh, I think she's in deeper than that. She's probably promised the next 5-10 years of her life to him in order to become a huge star ala Nicole Kidman. Not a bad gig.
He really needs to let Pat Kingsley handle his PR again because IMO, his sister just doesn't get it. She's not objective enough.

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 08:05 PM

I just saw Batman Begins and decided that I really do hate Katie Holmes.
She has a wonky mouth, weird teeth and a weird child's face on a grown-up model's body. It just freaks me out.
I always thought she was a decent actress too but her role as Tom's new girlfriend ain't too convincing I must say.

The Letterman appearance was a little pathetic. The really need to prompt her on the details of her and Tom's relationship. She looked quite blank when asked about it.

Serrart

06-13-2005, 08:19 PM

Oh, I think she's in deeper than that. She's probably promised the next 5-10 years of her life to him in order to become a huge star ala Nicole Kidman. Not a bad gig.
He really needs to let Pat Kingsley handle his PR again because IMO, his sister just doesn't get it. She's not objective enough.

I say it would be over in less than a year. I hope she really didn't buy she could become a star like Nicole Kidman only staying with Cruise. There's a whole world of class between them. I think Katie Holmes has a potential, but to renounce to a controversial role to make his Beverly Hills prophet happy doesn't show that kind of courage that a real actress should have, IMO.

Romy

thepoetinmyhear

06-13-2005, 08:31 PM

She was good in Ice Storm. :D

I can't believe someone else has seen this movie! Isn't the cast just great?

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:45 PM

amber

06-13-2005, 08:46 PM

I can't believe someone else has seen this movie! Isn't the cast just great?
Yes, it's one of my fave movies ever. The cast is spectacular. But, actually, I think most people here have seen it... :)

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:49 PM

I agree - he is far from unintelligent.

and - he is not really a one kind of act actor. Rainman, Cocktail, Collateral, Vanilla Sky, etc. were all very different types of parts :shrug:

And he essentially did the same thing in each without showing a hint of range. :laugh:

He was the lone embarrassment in the incredible Magnolia. That movie showed what a truly amateurish actor he is.

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:50 PM

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:51 PM

And I haven't seen BOTFOJ, but he got an Oscar Nod, right?

Yup, and Julia Roberts won an Oscar. :lol:

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:53 PM

I thought the failure of EWS was mostly Kubricks and the subject matter or more Kubrick's interpretation of it. The story was very dated and outlandish. I thought he was okay in it, but horribly miscast. He does not play meek in a Kubrick fu&k fest very well :laugh:

No, it failed because the studio promoted it as a film about eroticism when it was anything but. The mainstream movie-going public went into it expecting a Tom Cruise skin flick and didn't get that at all.

macfanken

06-13-2005, 08:54 PM

Sociologist, my ass. He admitted back in the sixties that he founded Scientology to get tax breaks.

Yeah, sociologist is a bit generous... more like sci-fi hack/scammer.

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:54 PM

I think his acting reflects his lack of intelligence. He doesn't learn, he's repetitive, the only thing he's good at is to exaggerate and luckily for him two great directors like Stone e P.T. Anderson and a good one, Michael Mann have been able to transform a defect in a quality, at least for three movies. He doesn't even try to build a character, there's no deepness, or creativity. Kubrick has built a statue to his incapacity to see, to react, to be an actor. That doesn't mean he can't be successful. I didn't say he was stupid, he knows what he can and what he can't do. But what he does hasn't for most of the time any interest for me. About the actual situation: if the story is true, he's proving to be incapable to protect from himself the woman he loves; if it isn't true he's been dull enough to accept this farce. In both cases he's not showing intelligence to me.

Romy

P.S Hmm... I guess now I can wait for my honorary Tom Cruise fan card. :woohoo:

:woohoo: That's the Romy I know and love. Preach it!

dissention

06-13-2005, 08:56 PM

I can't believe someone else has seen this movie! Isn't the cast just great?

Anything with Sigourney, Joan, and Kevin is bound to be more than watchable. :nod: That movie is flawless.

dissention

06-13-2005, 09:15 PM

Yeah, sociologist is a bit generous... more like sci-fi hack/scammer.

Awwww, you're not a Dianetics fan? :o

dissention

06-13-2005, 09:21 PM

This is just so distressing to me. I swear, I wish that people could understand how harmful scientology is in the substance abuse world. I wonder if these stupid celebrities have any idea what goes on in these facilities. Of course, as we know, Tom himself has saved hundreds of people from drugs, so maybe he does know.

I hate to sound rambly, but this motherf*cker just burns me up.

It doesn't when Kirstie Alley, who usually keeps mum about that cult, goes to TV Guide to praise that disgusting Narconon program to the skies. It makes me physically ill to think that people are getting recruited to this cult because their favorite celeb is involved with it.

SuzeQuze

06-13-2005, 09:33 PM

I thought the failure of EWS was mostly Kubricks and the subject matter or more Kubrick's interpretation of it. The story was very dated and outlandish. I thought he was okay in it, but horribly miscast. He does not play meek in a Kubrick fu&k fest very well :laugh:

This is kind of how I saw it too, it was Kubrick's folly moreso.

The Tower

06-13-2005, 09:35 PM

I thought Spielberg's first few films were good, but that he has turned into a feel good hack. Everything is always wrapped up in a neat little bow. I find him very formulaic and boring. But, I don't expect his movies to make me think. I saw Minority Report against my better judgement and hated it. Didn't see Schindler's List, and won't. I have had it up to my eyeballs with Holocaust movies.
Bleecccchhhh..... Spielberg is pure treacle. I can't watch any of his crap. E.T. made me wanna puke and it was all downhill from there. Don't even get me started on the Indiana Jones movies..... OY!!!

I thought his performances in ... Interview w/A Vamp. were especially good.
Loved the movie (although it IS a guilty pleasure- mainly for its production design), but the performances were gawdawful. Brad Pitt??!?!? Antonio Banderas?!?!!??!? Kirsten Dunst overacting allllll over the place. Needless to say, Cruise was soooo trying too hard to "act".

Yup, and Julia Roberts won an Oscar. :lol:
Honey, please.... I'd like to keep my dinner in my stomach.....

Anything with Sigourney, Joan, and Kevin is bound to be more than watchable. :nod: That movie is flawless.
I loved it, loved it, loaoaoaoaoaoaoved it! Perfectly 70's creepy.

I'm so tired of Tom Cruise. He needs to go, go, go. He's so transparent and smarmy..... A one-trick pony who's trick was up twenty years ago. Methinks he dost protest too much- okay we get it! You're a manly heterosexual... you're not gay..... you're in love, love, love!!

dissention

06-13-2005, 09:38 PM

This is kind of how I saw it too, it was Kubrick's folly moreso.

You should read Traumnovelle, the Schnitzler story Kubrick based it on. I, personally, thought he did an absolutely brilliant job with the material. Tom Cruise was horrific (and while I usually lay a lot of blame on directors for bad performances, not even Kubrick could get water out of a stone...), but I didn't expect him to be even adequate in the first place. :laugh: The reason it flopped so badly was because it was marketed so badly. Just look at the first week returns and then the STEEP decline in ticket sales for the second week. It was promoted as an erotic T&A flick, which was a crime.

SuzeQuze

06-13-2005, 09:42 PM

You should read Traumnovelle, the Schnitzler story Kubrick based it on. I, personally, thought he did an absolutely brilliant job with the material. Tom Cruise was horrific (and while I usually lay a lot of blame on directors for bad performances, not even Kubrick could get water out of a stone...), but I didn't expect him to be even adequate in the first place. :laugh: The reason it flopped so badly was because it was marketed so badly. Just look at the first week returns and then the STEEP decline in ticket sales for the second week. It was promoted as an erotic T&A flick, which was a crime.

Yes because expecting that it left you extremely cold :shudder:. Where there was a lack of dialog I'm sure the book was much better since you can get into the character's heads, I love that about books.

dissention

06-13-2005, 09:48 PM

Bleecccchhhh..... Spielberg is pure treacle. I can't watch any of his crap. E.T. made me wanna puke and it was all downhill from there. Don't even get me started on the Indiana Jones movies..... OY!!!

:laugh:

I like some of what he did with The Color Purple, but looking back on it, he gave it such a white man's touch that it's actually quite offensive to the source material. Empire of the Sun was watchable only because Christian Bale was so ****ing fantastic in it. That man was one hell of an actor even at such a young age, they could have put him in a red wig and he would have singlehandedly saved Annie. :laugh:

Loved the movie (although it IS a guilty pleasure- mainly for its production design), but the performances were gawdawful. Brad Pitt??!?!? Antonio Banderas?!?!!??!? Kirsten Dunst overacting allllll over the place. Needless to say, Cruise was soooo trying too hard to "act".

Remember when all the Rice fans and Rice herself were in a tizzy over Cruise being cast? Rice ate her words when it was released on video for who knows why, but he was still crap in it. Everyone was, but Dunst was still the best. That says a lot, when a ten year old is the best actor in a movie.

Honey, please.... I'd like to keep my dinner in my stomach.....

Not a fan of Mr. Ed? ;)

I'm so tired of Tom Cruise. He needs to go, go, go. He's so transparent and smarmy..... A one-trick pony who's trick was up twenty years ago. Methinks he dost protest too much- okay we get it! You're a manly heterosexual... you're not gay..... you're in love, love, love!!

Tom Cruise makes Nathan Lane look butch.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 09:49 PM

No, it failed because the studio promoted it as a film about eroticism when it was anything but. The mainstream movie-going public went into it expecting a Tom Cruise skin flick and didn't get that at all.

I'd say 40 minutes or so of over a 100 people fu&*ing and women romping around buck naked and in feathers in a masked ball of hedonism was nothing but erotic :nod: Even Tom and Nicole showed a lot of skin for them :shrug:

In the end, the story from which it was derived ( Arthur Schnitzler's "Traumnovelle" ) was melodramatic domestic strife in a shocking Marcel waved bob when it was written (1926) - but whose 20's morality played understandably dated in Kubrick's malingned telling of it almost 80 years later. Plus, that AWFUL one chord "score" - OY Kubrick was deaf as well as dying :eek:

As for Cruise as an actor, he will never be great, but I like his movies and he has played a wide varitey of parts, for which I give him credit.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 09:50 PM

Yup, and Julia Roberts won an Oscar. :lol:

Lord - you just never let go of bitter do you :p :p :p

JULIA ROBERTS WON - get over it :laugh:

dissention

06-13-2005, 09:50 PM

I'd say 40 minutes or so of over a 100 people fu&*ing and women romping around buck naked and in feathers in a masked ball of hedonism was nothing but erotic :nod: Even Tom and Nicole showed a lot of skin for them :shrug:

Then you missed the whole point of the movie and I question your taste if you found any of it erotic. :o

dissention

06-13-2005, 09:58 PM

Lord - you just never let go of bitter do you :p :p :p

JULIA ROBERTS WON - get over it :laugh:

I can't help it if one of the greatest performances of all time was shafted for that horse, and I simply can't help it if I'm still bitter over it. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 10:08 PM

Then you missed the whole point of the movie and I question your taste if you found any of it erotic. :o

Well and again, he goes to an orgy where many are romping around naked and doing all sorts of sex acts. The visual of that (and Kubrick was brazen there) is erotic regardless of the strife the protagonist is feeling. So, yes, it was an erotic setting. I am really unsure how you could argue it was not. Even the author of the book admitted to its erotic nature :shrug: But, in the end, the book was a study of human sexuality and the domestic problems that occur within that. But, the setting most def. is erotic :shrug:

dissention

06-13-2005, 10:21 PM

Well and again, he goes to an orgy where many are romping around naked and doing all sorts of sex acts. The visual of that (and Kubrick was brazen there) is erotic regardless of the strife the protagonist is feeling. So, yes, it was an erotic setting. I am really unsure how you could argue it was not. Even the author of the book admitted to its erotic nature :shrug: But, in the end, the book was a study of human sexuality and the domestic problems that occur within that. But, the setting most def. is erotic :shrug:

Naked bodies do not necessarily equate eroticism, nor do they make a movie that isn't erotic erotic. The violent and disturbing theme of the sex in it was more disturbing and unsettling than anything else, and it only served to underscore the idea that Bill (Cruise's character) was dreaming up all of it as an expression of his repressed sexuality, but that the dark nature of it was his mind telling him that it was a sort of shadow that he should not act on in the real world. His wife expressed her shadow to him early on in the film and the rest of it is the expression of his, the scene where he confesses to her when he sees the mask next to her pillow suggests as much. When she says at the end that they have to go home and "f*ck," it's indicative of the two of deciding to move forward and put their "dark" urges behind them; that they've successfully integrated their urges into their minds.

The fact remains that it flopped because people expected a hot sex flick, when it turned out to be a cold and steely flick about marriage and sexual repression. The campaign was all about "See Tom nude!" "See SEX SEX SEX!" Well, people saw that, but it wasn't erotic and it was presented in a disturbing manner that probably repulsed more than it turned on.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 10:25 PM

Naked bodies do not necessarily equate eroticism, nor do they make a movie that isn't erotic erotic.

Perhaps - but Kubrick most certainly did not film it that way.

The violent and disturbing theme of the sex in it was more disturbing and unsettling than anything else, and it only served to underscore the idea that Bill (Cruise's character) was dreaming up all of it as an expression of his repressed sexuality, but that the dark nature of it was his mind telling him that it was a sort of shadow that he should not act on in the real world. His wife expressed her shadow to him early on in the film and the rest of it is the expression of his, the scene where he confesses to her when he sees the mask next to her pillow suggests as much. When she says at the end that they have to go home and "f*ck," it's indicative of the two of deciding to move forward and put their "dark" urges behind them.

I know that - but his thoughts were erotic in nature :shrug: Thus, the fliming of that is inherently erotic despite any larger message that goes along with that. I think we are arguing the same thing though. You assert the true meaning of the image, which is not erotic; it is cerebral - which I agree with and that is what the movie is about. My point is despite that, the images are erotic in nature despite the deeper underlying dark nature of them. The movie 8MM always depicts this double meaning - only in a far darker way.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 10:27 PM

. . . The fact remains that it flopped because people expected a hot sex flick, when it turned out to be a cold and steely flick about marriage and sexual repression. The campaign was all about "See Tom nude!" "See SEX SEX SEX!" Well, people saw that, but it wasn't erotic and it was presented in a disturbing manner that probably repulsed more than it turned on.

True - though I think you give the average person more credit than they derserve. I saw it in the theater and the only time most guys even watched it was during the tittie scenes :laugh: :shrug:

dissention

06-13-2005, 10:35 PM

Perhaps - but Kubrick most certainly did not film it that way.

No, he didn't film naked bodies in an erotic manner, at least not that I could see. He filmed naked bodies as objects for the sake of the movie, which robbed the nudity of any eroticism or "sexiness." The use of nudity was cold.

I know that - but his thoughts were erotic in nature :shrug: Thus, the fliming of that is inherently erotic despite any larger message that goes along with that. I think we are arguing the same thing though. You assert the true meaning of the image, which is not erotic; it is cerebral - which I agree with and that is what the movie is about. My point is despite that, the images are erotic in nature despite the deeper underlying dark nature of them. The movie 8MM always depicts this double meaning - only in a far darker way.

And I'm not arguing that the mere sight of naked bodies isn't erotic to someone. I'm sure there were a few that were turned on by the disturbing sexuality in the movie. The whole movie was built on the desires of the married couple, which are erotic in nature. But to say that the movie itself is erotic simply because of that comes across as inane to me.

dissention

06-13-2005, 10:36 PM

True - though I think you give the average person more credit than they derserve. I saw it in the theater and the only time most guys even watched it was during the tittie scenes :laugh: :shrug:

And those people are the reason the movie bombed. Because they didn't comprehend it and told other people that other than some titties, it was boring and pointless.

Personally, I think that the reason it got such TERRIBLE reviews was because the studio promoted it as a hot sex romp, but when the critics saw it, they were desperately looking for all of it but found none. Instead of looking any further than for tits and ass, they lashed out at it as being unsexy and boring. They were too preoccupied with trying to get their own rocks off that they ignored literally every aspect of it.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 10:40 PM

No, he didn't film naked bodies in an erotic manner, at least not that I could see. He filmed naked bodies as objects for the sake of the movie, which robbed the nudity of any eroticism or "sexiness." The use of nudity was cold.

And I'm not arguing that the mere sight of naked bodies isn't erotic to someone. I'm sure there were a few that were turned on by the disturbing sexuality in the movie. The whole movie was built on the desires of the married couple, which are erotic in nature. But to say that the movie itself is erotic simply because of that comes across as inane to me.

that some found it erotic pretty much means it was erotic despite any deeper message, which I agree was there, though Kubrick IMO failed to demonstrate that message to any significant degree. Compare this flick to A Clockwork Orange, which had the same erotic feel/tension, but the message of violence was far stronger. Like in the scene in A Clockwork Orange where he takes the two girls home for a high speed romp, EWS had intimate moments between the Harford's. Same with the violent scenes in both - but the violence in the former was far stronger. These two films are different storylines, but both deal with inner demons and the violence that can result from that. I just think Kubrick lost his edge in EWS, though I actually like the movie.

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 10:49 PM

I thought the failure of EWS was mostly Kubricks and the subject matter or more Kubrick's interpretation of it. The story was very dated and outlandish.

Agreed. But this was also Kubrick's last film and he was dying. And IMO, there is no way anyone could have created any chemistry between Kidman and Cruise because I think it was all over at that point.

amber

06-13-2005, 10:49 PM

dissention

06-13-2005, 10:51 PM

that some found it erotic pretty much means it was erotic despite any deeper message, which I agree was there, though Kubrick IMO failed to demonstrate that message to any significant degree.

Did he have to spell it out for the audience? :laugh: I thought he did it superbly. It all culminated so well with his confession and her exclaiming that they needed to "f*ck" in order to put it behind them that I was surprised at how well Kubrick pulled it off. And I usually LOATHE him. If you just go into it expecting a topical thriller, you're going to be bored stuff and not understand a lick of it.

Compare this flick to A Clockwork Orange, which had the same erotic feel/tension, but the message of violence was far stronger. Like in the scene in A Clockwork Orange where he takes the two girls home for a high speed romp, EWS had intimate moments between the Harford's. Same with the violent scenes in both - but the violence in the former was far stronger. These two films are different storylines, but both deal with inner demons and the violence that can result from that. I just think Kubrick lost his edge in EWS, though I actually like the movie.

I despise A Clockwork Orange and I've only seen it once, so I can't really get into a discussion of it, but you can't really get into a debate over the use of violence in either because they're so wildly different in presentation. In EWS, the violence was sexual violence that wasn't overt to the average moviewatcher. In ACO, it beat you over the head to the point where you couldn't escape the message of it all. I found it very poor, but I know I'm in the minority. MacDowell acted on his urges, Cruise didn't and they simply manifested in his dream where he STILL didn't act on them (and whether Kidman did is up to interpretation, but I don't believe she did).

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 10:53 PM

I really like Cruise's films personally.

I liked Jerry Maguire and I even liked Vanilla Sky but IMO, Cruise is playing himself, with certain variations in all of these films.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 10:53 PM

. . . I despise A Clockwork Orange and I've only seen it once, so I can't really get into a discussion of it . . . .

But ya did Blanche - ya did :laugh:

dissention

06-13-2005, 10:54 PM

Agreed. But this was also Kubrick's last film sand he was dying. And IMO, there is no way anyone could have created any chemistry between Kidman and Cruise because I think it was all over at that point.

Well, it did take almost three years to shoot. I mean, it took so long that Jennifer Jason Leigh and Harvey Keitel had to drop out after filming all of their scenes but couldn't fit in reshoots two years later. Kubrick was probably trying to get Cruise to respond to women sexually all those years. :laugh:

amber

06-13-2005, 10:55 PM

I liked Jerry Maguire and I even liked Vanilla Sky but IMO, Cruise is playing himself, with certain variations in all of these films. It started to become evident after a while that he was playing variations of Tom Cruise after a while.
His rendition of Tom Cruise is very charming and good. I also thought he was way different in Interview with a Vampire, and Collateral. I think he's pretty good. Even if he plays Tom Cruise, at least Tom Cruise has the appropriate and compelling emotion at the appropriate time.

dissention

06-13-2005, 10:56 PM

But ya did Blanche - ya did :laugh:

The use of violence isn't exact something one forgets, it's still as clear as the first day I saw that piece of ****. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 10:57 PM

The use of violence isn't exact something one forgets, it's still as clear as the first day I saw that piece of ****. :laugh:

I LOVED A Clockwork Orange and I usually do not like literal violence in movies :eek:

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:00 PM

I LOVED A Clockwork Orange and I usually do not like literal violence in movies :eek:

I thought it was just torturous to sit through. If I had masochistic tendencies, I would have been having multiple orgasms.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:01 PM

I thought it was just torturous to sit through. If I had masochistic tendencies, I would have been having multiple orgasms.

Thus, Kubrick's point in that movie. It was almost as if it was his version of saturation therapy :laugh:

amber

06-13-2005, 11:03 PM

I thought it was just torturous to sit through. If I had masochistic tendencies, I would have been having multiple orgasms.
That movie is really icky, I didn't like it either. I don't think I watched the whole thing. Blergh. My repuls-O-meter was reading dangerously high right away.

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 11:05 PM

Plus, that AWFUL one chord "score" - OY Kubrick was deaf as well as dying :eek:

Ah, yes, the deaf piano player. Let's hope he is set for life now. :lol:

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:06 PM

Ah, yes, the deaf piano player. Let's hope he is set for life now. :lol:

Even I play better than that :laugh:

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:06 PM

Thus, Kubrick's point in that movie. It was almost as if it was his version of saturation therapy :laugh:

BULL****. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:07 PM

BULL****. :laugh:

I thought you could not discuss it :shrug: :p :p

seeker007nmss

06-13-2005, 11:08 PM

One thing for Katie.....Stay away from the Koolaid. :wavey:

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 11:08 PM

Well, it did take almost three years to shoot. I mean, it took so long that Jennifer Jason Leigh and Harvey Keitel had to drop out after filming all of their scenes but couldn't fit in reshoots two years later. Kubrick was probably trying to get Cruise to respond to women sexually all those years. :laugh:

It wouldn't surprise me. His scene with the prostitute is...forced.

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:08 PM

That movie is really icky, I didn't like it either. I don't think I watched the whole thing. Blergh. My repuls-O-meter was reading dangerously high right away.

It was a revolting experience, right up there with 8MM. I read the book in high school and loved it, but I thought the movie was reprehensible.

Here's Kael's review of it, which I find to be spot-on and utterly fabulous:

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0051.html

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:10 PM

I thought you could not discuss it :shrug: :p :p

Not at length or else I'd start banging my head against a wall. :p

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:10 PM

Not at length or else I'd start banging my head against a wall. :p

So, what do you think about the movie :wavey:

Joy!
Joy, beautiful spark of God,
Daughter of Elysium,

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:11 PM

It wouldn't surprise me. His scene with the prostitute is...forced.

Is that really any different from any of his other scenes in that movie? :laugh:

amber

06-13-2005, 11:12 PM

It wouldn't surprise me. His scene with the prostitute is...forced.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:13 PM

So, what do you think about the movie :wavey:

"An abhorrent viewing experience." :woohoo:

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:14 PM

"An abhorrent viewing experience." :woohoo:

care to go on? Where's that wall :laugh:

Joy!
Joy, beautiful spark of God,
Daughter of Elysium,
We enter, fire-drunk,
Heavenly, your shrine.
Your magic reunites
That which custom has strongly split;
All humans will become brothers

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 11:21 PM

Even I play better than that :laugh:

You play like a virtuoso compared to that person. :lol:

gldstwmn

06-13-2005, 11:22 PM

Is that really any different from any of his other scenes in that movie? :laugh:
Um..no, actually. :lol:

Moony

06-13-2005, 11:39 PM

I can't help it if one of the greatest performances of all time was shafted for that horse, and I simply can't help it if I'm still bitter over it. :laugh:
Preach it, brotha!!!

..you are talking about Ms. Burstyn, right? :o

Tom Cruise needs to go away.

amber

06-13-2005, 11:41 PM

Preach it, brotha!!!

..you are talking about Ms. Burstyn, right? :o

Tom Cruise needs to go away.
*ahem*
*AHEM, AHEM!* :mad:

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:43 PM

Preach it, brotha!!!

..you are talking about Ms. Burstyn, right? :o

Of course I am! :eek: Probably the greatest performance I've ever seen in my life. That woman is an actress.

Tom Cruise needs to go away.

And quickly.

Moony

06-13-2005, 11:45 PM

*ahem*
*AHEM, AHEM!* :mad:
um....go away and head straight for Amber's apartment, I meant ;)

That better? :p

Of course I am! Probably the greatest performance I've ever seen in my life. That woman is an actress.
I couldn't agree more.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:45 PM

Of course I am! :eek: Probably the greatest performance I've ever seen in my life. That woman is an actress. . . .

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dissention

06-13-2005, 11:47 PM

and Julia Roberts beat her
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And isn't it rotten?

Did you see Burstyn in that movie? My gawd. I still hadn't recovered from Sally Kirkland losing the Oscar, and then that. :rolleyes:

Moony

06-13-2005, 11:47 PM

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Which shows what a joke the Academy Awards have become.

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:48 PM

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Which shows what a joke the Academy Awards have become.

When Denzel wins for Training Day and Tom Cruise is even nominated, you know it's utter ****. :laugh:

amber

06-13-2005, 11:48 PM

um....go away and head straight for Amber's apartment, I meant ;)

That better? :p

You're on the watch list.
On the upside, all week my radio station has the chance to win Stevie tickets. :) They will be lawn, but still. Unfortunately, I'm at work most of that time. But not all of it.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:49 PM

And isn't it rotten?

Did you see Burstyn in that movie? My gawd. I still hadn't recovered from Sally Kirkland losing the Oscar, and then that. :rolleyes:

I agre EB deserved it though. Actually, anyone but Roberts because though I like her enough, that movie was just not that great.

strandinthewind

06-13-2005, 11:50 PM

When Denzel wins for Training Day and Tom Cruise is even nominated, you know it's utter ****. :laugh:

Well, I will always think that was solely because he is black because his performance was not that great either. Such is politics.

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:53 PM

I agre EB deserved it though. Actually, anyone but Roberts because though I like her enough, that movie was just not that great.

Julia Roberts trying to emote is akin to watching another person sleep. :laugh:

I mean, if those awards are for acting, they should go to the people who give the best performances. If they were for acting, Bill Murray would have an Oscar, as would Burstyn for Requiem, Sally Kirkland, Don Cheadle, Julianne Moore, Patricia Clarkson, etc. I mean, C'MON.

Moony

06-13-2005, 11:53 PM

You're on the watch list.
On the upside, all week my radio station has the chance to win Stevie tickets. :) They will be lawn, but still. Unfortunately, I'm at work most of that time. But not all of it.
No!! Not the watch list!!! Say it ain't sooo.......

:p

Lawn tickets? I thought we said we were too good for the lawn? :cool:

When Denzel wins for Training Day and Tom Cruise is even nominated, you know it's utter ****.
What are you talking about?

"King Kong ain't got **** on me!!""

If that's not worthy of an Oscar, I don't know what is.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

dissention

06-13-2005, 11:55 PM

Well, I will always think that was solely because he is black because his performance was not that great either. Such is politics.

Of course it was because he was black, which I found to be repugnant. His performance was nothing memorable and I don't see the big deal over him. Even Halle Berry, who was utterly amazing, didn't wholly deserve that Oscar, but she got it because she was black. Miss Goldberg should've won that Best Actress Oscar back in '85, but they waited for Halle Berry? :laugh: Bitch plz.

amber

06-13-2005, 11:59 PM

No!! Not the watch list!!! Say it ain't sooo.......

:p

Lawn tickets? I thought we said we were too good for the lawn? :cool:

What are you talking about?

"King Kong ain't got **** on me!!""

If that's not worthy of an Oscar, I don't know what is.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
We are too good for lawn, but I just want to have some tickets, just in case. Last time I won lawn, I sold them for cost. Just in case, grasshoppa, just in case. :cool:

Moony

06-14-2005, 12:36 AM

We are too good for lawn, but I just want to have some tickets, just in case. Last time I won lawn, I sold them for cost. Just in case, grasshoppa, just in case. :cool:
Ah, thank you sensei. I understand now.

:lol:

desertangel

06-14-2005, 01:38 AM

As far as Katie and Scientology... there's a famous saying... "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything." She was ripe for the picking. Talk about Stepford Wife. What Evah :shrug:

Laura

GODDESS6

06-14-2005, 06:24 AM

katie was quite out there when i saw her giving tom the generation award on the mtv movie awards the other night~ & i believe it was letterman where she kept calling him "her man"~ she seems totally diff from before~ i feel the same way "Run Katie, Run" :lol: ~

skcin

06-14-2005, 06:58 AM

GODDESS6

06-14-2005, 07:23 AM

You saw the MTV thing too? THAT, was weird. :shrug:
yeppers, & i like her, but that whole thing freaked me out :shrug: ~

SuzeQuze

06-14-2005, 07:45 AM

Well, it did take almost three years to shoot. I mean, it took so long that Jennifer Jason Leigh and Harvey Keitel had to drop out after filming all of their scenes but couldn't fit in reshoots two years later. Kubrick was probably trying to get Cruise to respond to women sexually all those years. :laugh:

Wow, that sucks for the movie because those two are so spooky they would certainly have enhanced it. I love JJL even though she frightens me sometimes. :laugh:

dissention

06-14-2005, 07:48 AM

Wow, that sucks for the movie because those two are so spooky they would certainly have enhanced it. I love JJL even though she frightens me sometimes. :laugh:

:laugh:

I looooooooooooove Jennifer Jason Leigh, too. She's another one that I'm surprised she hasn't gotten an Oscar. Such a phenomenal actress.

SuzeQuze

06-14-2005, 07:54 AM

:laugh:

I looooooooooooove Jennifer Jason Leigh, too. She's another one that I'm surprised she hasn't gotten an Oscar. Such a phenomenal actress.

She frightened single girls everywhere as the SWF. Her film The Anniversary Party was creepariffic. And I loved her in Dolores Claiborne. The movie also has one of my fav movie lines "Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has to hold onto."

dissention

06-14-2005, 08:13 AM

She frightened single girls everywhere as the SWF. Her film The Anniversary Party was creepariffic. And I loved her in Dolores Claiborne. The movie also has one of my fav movie lines "Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has to hold onto."

:laugh:

Good movies. :nod:

Did you ever see her in Washington Square? I thought she was really fab in that one. My favorites are Dorothy Parker and the Vicious Circle and The Hudsucker Proxy, she was just DIVINE in those.

The Tower

06-14-2005, 11:17 AM

I like some of what he did with The Color Purple, but looking back on it, he gave it such a white man's touch that it's actually quite offensive to the source material.
I really liked the book. I initially liked the movie, however, looking back on it after a year or two it was "The Song of the South" of the 80's. Oprah Winfrey was shameless in her Aunt Jemima impersonation.

Not a fan of Mr. Ed? ;)
She has never given a good performance in anything. Abysmal.

I liked Jerry Maguire and I even liked Vanilla Sky but IMO, Cruise is playing himself, with certain variations in all of these films. It started to become evident after a while that he was playing variations of Tom Cruise after a while.
He can't play a character. It's always Tom Cruise as a race car driver, Tom Cruise as a vampire, Tom Cruise as a psycho, Tom Cruise as a Vietnam vet. He blows.

gldstwmn

06-14-2005, 11:33 AM

As far as Katie and Scientology... there's a famous saying... "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything." She was ripe for the picking. Talk about Stepford Wife. What Evah :shrug:

Laura

That is one of my favorite sayings.

SuzeQuze

06-14-2005, 11:35 AM

:laugh:

Good movies. :nod:

Did you ever see her in Washington Square? I thought she was really fab in that one. My favorites are Dorothy Parker and the Vicious Circle and The Hudsucker Proxy, she was just DIVINE in those.

No, I haven't seen WS, I am going to have to get Netflix or something. I've got lots of catching up to do! :laugh:

What was the fairly recent movie where she gets her head chopped off? That was a shocker. I don't remember the movie being good but she was.

SuzeQuze

06-14-2005, 11:38 AM

That is one of my favorite sayings.

It rocks. Clearly she has an identity issue if she is taking on his religion so quickly. Those cults make people almost robotic in their adoration while they cannot explain why they love it. B-R-A-I-N-W-A-S-H-E-D. I feel sorry for her. Hopefully she will get out of this sooner rather than later. Like as soon as the press stops talking about her. :laugh:

gldstwmn

06-14-2005, 11:42 AM

He can't play a character. It's always Tom Cruise as a race car driver, Tom Cruise as a vampire, Tom Cruise as a psycho, Tom Cruise as a Vietnam vet. He blows.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

gldstwmn

06-14-2005, 11:46 AM

It rocks. Clearly she has an identity issue if she is taking on his religion so quickly. Those cults make people almost robotic in their adoration while they cannot explain why they love it. B-R-A-I-N-W-A-S-H-E-D. I feel sorry for her. Hopefully she will get out of this sooner rather than later. Like as soon as the press stops talking about her. :laugh:

The whole thing is too fast. She cut a deal with him. All of a sudden she's being repped by his agents? That's some pretty powerful stuff. There are people who want fame so badly they are willing to sell their soul for it. Apparently, she was willing. He's a control freak to be sure but I don't think it's like he's going to beat her or anything. She could've ended up with someone much worse, IMO.

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 11:46 AM

She frightened single girls everywhere as the SWF. Her film The Anniversary Party was creepariffic. And I loved her in Dolores Claiborne. The movie also has one of my fav movie lines "Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has to hold onto."

SWF was predictable horror tripe IMO. The other two were great though!!!!!!! my fav. was Delores, "Sometimes you have to be a high-riding bitch to survive. Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has to hang onto." Husbands die in accidents all of the time -- brakes fail - I should know :eek:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 11:48 AM

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 11:52 AM

No, I haven't seen WS, I am going to have to get Netflix or something . . . .

That newer one is okay if not good. But, do yourself a favor and get the original one "The Heiress" with Olivia de Havilland as Catherine Sloper and Montgomery Clift as Morris Townsend - SHEEEBUS!!!!!!!!!!

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:00 PM

I really liked the book. I initially liked the movie, however, looking back on it after a year or two it was "The Song of the South" of the 80's. Oprah Winfrey was shameless in her Aunt Jemima impersonation.

Feh, I thought Oprah was good enough. She's not an actress by any stretch, but she put Rae Dawn Chong to shame. :laugh: Goldberg and Avery were simply magnificent, though.

Spielberg's version of it is just awful to me. He laid waste to the relationship between Celie and Shug to the point where it was laughable and one wondered if he had ever even read the book. His take on it was a sanitized, children's story, devoid of any of the depth and emotion that the novel had.

sparky

06-14-2005, 12:12 PM

Bleecccchhhh..... Spielberg is pure treacle. I can't watch any of his crap. E.T. made me wanna puke and it was all downhill from there. Don't even get me started on the Indiana Jones movies..... OY!!!

Welllllllll, I was under 12 when I saw the first few.

Loved the movie (although it IS a guilty pleasure- mainly for its production design), but the performances were gawdawful. Brad Pitt??!?!? Antonio Banderas?!?!!??!? Kirsten Dunst overacting allllll over the place. Needless to say, Cruise was soooo trying too hard to "act".

It was beautiful to look at, but the acting was heinous. Does ANYONE understand anything Banderas says ? He might as well have a mouthful of Melanie when he acts. His accent is ridiculous and all he does is mutter, mumble, and speedtalk.
Dunst gave the performance of a lifetime though, IMO. She grew up and sure got ugly. Man is she a dog now.

I'm so tired of Tom Cruise. He needs to go, go, go. He's so transparent and smarmy..... A one-trick pony who's trick was up twenty years ago. Methinks he dost protest too much- okay we get it! You're a manly heterosexual... you're not gay..... you're in love, love, love!!

YOU ROCK.

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 12:15 PM

sparky

06-14-2005, 12:17 PM

Remember when all the Rice fans and Rice herself were in a tizzy over Cruise being cast? Rice ate her words when it was released on video for who knows why

THREE WORDS : BACK END DEAL. :wavey:

Tom Cruise makes Nathan Lane look butch.

Reason number 358 that I want to marry you. :xoxo:

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:19 PM

He might as well have a mouthful of Melanie when he acts.

Words would fail me if I tried to describe how hysterical I found this. :laugh:

Dunst gave the perfromance of a lifetime though, IMO. She grew up and sure got ugly. Man is she a dog now.

I think she's a marginally talented actress, but she's the cinematic equivalent of wet crackers. Boring as all get out and she makes the ****tiest flicks around.

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:21 PM

I have to say I love the Indiana Jones movies and anyone who doesn't like them can jump off a cliff and hope they are as talented at surviving that as Indy was :laugh: Seriously, they are not great works of dramatic art, but come on, you gotta admit they are a little fun to watch :cool: :wavey:

I didn't like them even as a kid. :sorry: I'm not a Ford fan, save Working Girl and the Star Wars movies (because no one watches those for the acting). I thought his performance in Presumed Innocent was one of the most embarrassing I've ever seen. And don't even get me started on his flick with Anne Heche Lafoon, oy vey.

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:25 PM

THREE WORDS : BACK END DEAL. :wavey:

The same thing she must have gotten to keep her name on Exit To Eden. Cripes, that's the scariest movie I've ever seen in my life. After seeing Dan Aykroyd and Rosie O'Donnell in bondage gear, I'm quite amazed that blood still flows into my penis. That one is destined for midnight screening stardom.

Reason number 358 that I want to marry you. :xoxo:

:laugh: That's a lot of reasons. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 12:25 PM

Rice ate her words long before the release to video. After she saw a screening of it, she remarked that Cruise's Lestat would be remembered like Olivier's Hamlet. She even took out an ad in heavily circulated papers like, I think, USA Today.

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:26 PM

After she saw a screening of it, she remarked that Cruise's Lestat would be remembered like Olivier's Hamlet.

I always thought she was ****ing nuts, but I didn't know the true extent of it.

gldstwmn

06-14-2005, 12:27 PM

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 12:28 PM

I loved those flicks too. :)

They were just a whole lotta fun for $3.00 (at the time) :D

gldstwmn

06-14-2005, 12:29 PM

The same thing she must have gotten to keep her name on Exit To Eden. Cripes, that's the scariest movie I've ever seen in my life. After seeing Dan Aykroyd and Rosie O'Donnell in bondage gear, I'm quite amazed that blood still flows into my penis.

THUD. :lol:

gldstwmn

06-14-2005, 12:31 PM

They were just a whole lotta fun for $3.00 (at the time) :D

Exactly. :nod:

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:35 PM

THUD. :lol:

http://www.guiadelaradio.com/dana/Undercover_Cops.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 12:45 PM

http://www.guiadelaradio.com/dana/Undercover_Cops.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

I have to say, though that movie was pretty bad, some of the scenes were hysterical and Rosie never looked better in her life, which is a little scary on its own :laugh:

DrummerDeanna

06-14-2005, 12:46 PM

I loved those flicks too. :)

Just to pipe in w/ my $0.02. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Indy!!!!

I loved the Indy movies as a kid and I love them now! I remember seeing The Last Crusade in the theater (like three times) lol - and that one does remain my favorite.

man- I just LOVE Indiana Jones :nod:

dissention

06-14-2005, 12:55 PM

I have to say, though that movie was pretty bad, some of the scenes were hysterical and Rosie never looked better in her life, which is a little scary on its own :laugh:

"HEY! No panting after 2 a.m.!"

"How can I fulfill your fantasy?"
"Go paint my house."

Nah, that movie was just awful. :laugh: The sex scenes were hysterical, though, because they were so bad. Especially that one where the Australian is tied up and Dana Delany is beating him in the ass with her brush. Priceless.

trackaghost

06-14-2005, 01:16 PM

Just to pipe in w/ my $0.02. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Indy!!!!

I loved the Indy movies as a kid and I love them now! I remember seeing The Last Crusade in the theater (like three times) lol - and that one does remain my favorite.

man- I just LOVE Indiana Jones :nod:

I couldn't be bothered to read all this thread since I last popped my head in (too many pages of stuff to look thru!), so I don't know who is dissing Indy, but I love Indy too.
Such awesome movies! I can't think of one adventure movie like them that surpasses them today.
Ah, shame Harrison is too old (and weird) to play Indy now, although George Lucas apparently is still working on a script for Indy 4, so ya never know.

DrummerDeanna

06-14-2005, 01:20 PM

I couldn't be bothered to read all this thread since I last popped my head in (too many pages of stuff to look thru!), so I don't know who is dissing Indy, but I love Indy too.
Such awesome movies! I can't think of one adventure movie like them that surpasses them today.
Ah, shame Harrison is too old (and weird) to play Indy now, although George Lucas apparently is still working on a script for Indy 4, so ya never know.

I heard the Indy 4 was already in the works :shrug:

I wish they would just leave well enough alone though - Ford IS too old now...I want to just have the original three Indy's and remember them as they were :)

The Tower

06-14-2005, 01:38 PM

I thought she played that character pretty much true to the book :shrug:
The part was alright, but I expected more from her.

She's not an actress by any stretch, but she put Rae Dawn Chong to shame.
Well, DUH... Julia Roberts puts Rae Dawn Chong to shame :eek: :eek: :eek: (...that's the worst insult I could come up with...)

Goldberg and Avery were simply magnificent, though.
:nod: Especially Margaret Avery- she was brilliant.

Welllllllll, I was under 12 when I saw the first few.
I was an adolescent as well, but I still knew crapola when I saw it.

I have to say I love the Indiana Jones movies and anyone who doesn't like them can jump off a cliff and hope they are as talented at surviving that as Indy was. Seriously, they are not great works of dramatic art, but come on, you gotta admit they are a little fun to watch.
Nah. :wavey: Too goody-goody Spielbergy hero-worship treacle. Just the thought of John Williams' score makes me go into a diabetic coma.

Nah, that movie was just awful. :laugh: The sex scenes were hysterical, though, because they were so bad. Especially that one where the Australian is tied up and Dana Delany is beating him in the ass with her brush. Priceless.
The tone of the whole movie was just like a Lifetime movie of the week. It is terrible.

trackaghost

06-14-2005, 01:43 PM

It's in the works yes, and George apparently has just okayed the script. He rejected several before that including one by Frank Darabont that Spielberg was fond of.
It's up to Spielberg and Ford now, if they want to do it.
But yeah, I think it's a bad idea. Harrison looks like an old man these days - older than Sean Connery I think. I want to remember Indy as he was as well.
:nod:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 01:48 PM

. . . I was an adolescent as well, but I still knew crapola when I saw it . . . .

or it could be your a raging cynic even then :p :p :p :xoxo:

trackaghost

06-14-2005, 01:49 PM

I was an adolescent as well, but I still knew crapola when I saw it.

Nah. :wavey: Too goody-goody Spielbergy hero-worship treacle. Just the thought of John Williams' score makes me go into a diabetic coma.

What's wrong with a little "goody-goody" hero-worship? :shrug: Especially when you're a kid. I guess you were a cynical child.
Sometimes a little escapism is fun.

SuzeQuze

06-14-2005, 02:28 PM

SWF was predictable horror tripe IMO. The other two were great though!!!!!!! my fav. was Delores, "Sometimes you have to be a high-riding bitch to survive. Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has to hang onto." Husbands die in accidents all of the time -- brakes fail - I should know :eek:

I loved that actress in that part in Dolores, she was chillingly brilliant.

cliffdweller

06-14-2005, 02:32 PM

I hope his movie bombs. :woohoo:

:laugh:

My sentiment exactly. And if Katie Holmes wants to get wrangled into that wacky "religion" let her. Like Tom said, she's a big girl, she can make her own decisions, and if she can't, then she's just gonna get everything that's coming to her. When those two split up in a couple of years she's gonna shake her head and wonder just what in the hell she was thinking.

The Tower

06-14-2005, 02:32 PM

or it could be your a raging cynic even then :p :p :p :xoxo:
Well..... yes! :p :p :p
What's wrong with a little "goody-goody" hero-worship? Especially when you're a kid. I guess you were a cynical child.
Sometimes a little escapism is fun.
There are different shades of hero-worship/escapism for me. Indiana Jones = bleccch / Lord of the Rings = swoooooooonnnnnn

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 02:35 PM

. . . Lord of the Rings = swoooooooonnnnnn

Ah Ha - you are redeemed!!!!!

dissention

06-14-2005, 02:49 PM

Ah Ha - you are redeemed!!!!!

But he's lost a few points with me. :laugh:

I loathe Viggo, but his new movie from Cronenberg looks fantastic. I can't wait to see that one.

cliffdweller

06-14-2005, 03:01 PM

I loathe Viggo

:eek: We can't be friends. :laugh::xoxo:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:02 PM

:eek: We can't be friends. :laugh::xoxo:

I love it when there is dissention amongst the ranks :cool:

skcin

06-14-2005, 03:07 PM

But he's lost a few points with me. :laugh:

I loathe Viggo, but his new movie from Cronenberg looks fantastic. I can't wait to see that one.

Oh, hush! You don't like anyone that the mainstream thinks is hawt. :mad:

I'd bang him. Hard. Really hard. :nod:

cliffdweller

06-14-2005, 03:07 PM

I love it when there is dissention amongst the ranks :cool:

No pun intended right? :cool:

Diss knows I could never leave him, no matter how much he hates one of my most beloved Hollywood crushes.

cliffdweller

06-14-2005, 03:09 PM

I'd bang him. Hard. Really hard. :nod:

:laugh:

What she said.

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 03:12 PM

I'd bang him. Hard. Really hard. :nod:

:lol: :lol:

Me too. In bad Lord of the Rings attire and all. Woot.

GateandGarden

06-14-2005, 03:14 PM

When those two split up in a couple of years she's gonna shake her head and wonder just what in the hell she was thinking.A couple of years! :eek: Well, for her sake, I hope it's over before then. Of course at this point I'm thinking that it's only matter of time before I don't give a damn about what she does, either. :laugh:

cliffdweller

06-14-2005, 03:16 PM

A couple of years! :eek:

Yeah, I wrote that thinking, hmmm....it'll probably only last like a year but hey, I'm in a generous mood so...

amber

06-14-2005, 03:18 PM

Oh, hush! You don't like anyone that the mainstream thinks is hawt. :mad:

I'd bang him. Hard. Really hard. :nod:
Yo, get in line. :cool:

GateandGarden

06-14-2005, 03:20 PM

Yo, get in line. :cool:It always seems like everyone on here disses Orlando Bloom endlessly, but I think he's beyond HOT. He doesn't need to be able to act! :lol: Damn, he was hot in LOTR.

amber

06-14-2005, 03:22 PM

It always seems like everyone on here disses Orlando Bloom endlessly, but I think he's beyond HOT. He doesn't need to be able to act! :lol: Damn, he was hot in LOTR.

I don't like LOTR. Even for Viggo. My Viggo is forever in A Walk on the Moon. Orlando Bloom is too fey for me. I would crush him with....nevermind....

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 03:25 PM

It always seems like everyone on here disses Orlando Bloom endlessly, but I think he's beyond HOT. He doesn't need to be able to act! :lol: Damn, he was hot in LOTR.

Mmm. I'm one of the few here that loves Orlando too. There- I'm pretty sure Diss is totally disgusted. :thumbsup:

skcin

06-14-2005, 03:28 PM

Mmm. I'm one of the few here that loves Orlando too. There- I'm pretty sure Diss is totally disgusted. :thumbsup:

He's awight. But I don't think he could handle me. :cool:

GateandGarden

06-14-2005, 03:29 PM

He's awight. But I don't think he could handle me. :cool::laugh::laugh:

I wouldn't misunderestimate him. :laugh:

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:32 PM

No pun intended right? :cool:

Diss knows I could never leave him, no matter how much he hates one of my most beloved Hollywood crushes.

:xoxo:

I just don't care for him. The chin is what seals the deal for me. :laugh:

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:33 PM

Oh, hush! You don't like anyone that the mainstream thinks is hawt. :mad:

Now, that's not true. I turn into a fawning little schoolgirl when I see Jude Law and Hayden Christensen. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:35 PM

Now, that's not true. I turn into a fawning little schoolgirl when I see Jude Law and Hayden Christensen. :laugh:

For some reason, I just have trouble with the notion that Hayden Christensen is mainstream :laugh:

skcin

06-14-2005, 03:37 PM

Now, that's not true. I turn into a fawning little schoolgirl when I see Jude Law and Hayden Christensen. :laugh:

Turn into? :lol:

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:39 PM

Mmm. I'm one of the few here that loves Orlando too. There- I'm pretty sure Diss is totally disgusted. :thumbsup:

I am. :cool:

I remember when they had just begun shooting that Kingdom of Heaven flick and there were stories in the rags about him not being able to grow chest hair, so they had to put a chest wig on him. :laugh: That? Cracked me up.

SuzeQuze

06-14-2005, 03:40 PM

:laugh:

My sentiment exactly. And if Katie Holmes wants to get wrangled into that wacky "religion" let her. Like Tom said, she's a big girl, she can make her own decisions, and if she can't, then she's just gonna get everything that's coming to her. When those two split up in a couple of years she's gonna shake her head and wonder just what in the hell she was thinking.

Well, that's the thing about cults is they somehow get you to suspend critical thought and then stick their ideas in your head. So in a way she is somewhat powerless. But it's a certain kind of person who's attracted to this in the first place. Ah well, she is probably where she's supposed to be to learn a lesson about identity or something.

The Tower

06-14-2005, 03:40 PM

Ah Ha - you are redeemed!!!!!
I am the first to admit that I am a jaded, bitter old queen. However, my heart leapt with inspired joy when I saw the Balrog scene in the theatre for the first time. :nod: Very few things get me anymore- but that (and many others from LOTR) got me good.

But he's lost a few points with me. :laugh:
Oh please.... no one can be Dissentastic all the time. :p

I'd bang him. Hard. Really hard. :nod:
:wavey: Hella, yeah babeeee!! Viggo is mucho ****able. He is allllll man.

Yo, get in line. :cool:
"To be standing in a line
Welllll, I would!!!!!"

I would accept thirsty thirds or flatulent fourths on Mister Viggo.

Damn, he was hot in LOTR.
I'll take Dominic Monaghan... I wouldn't throw Orlando outta bed, but I prefer him out of his LOTR getup.

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:40 PM

For some reason, I just have trouble with the notion that Hayden Christensen is mainstream :laugh:

If he's not, he should be. Dude is one hot mother. :laugh:

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:43 PM

I'll take Dominic Monaghan... I wouldn't throw Orlando outta bed, but I prefer him out of his LOTR getup.

Is he the shorty on Lost? I've never seen a LOTR movie in its entirety. :laugh:

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 03:45 PM

I am. :cool:

I remember when they had just begun shooting that Kingdom of Heaven flick and there were stories in the rags about him not being able to grow chest hair, so they had to put a chest wig on him. :laugh: That? Cracked me up.

Ah well, it's for the best. I'm not into overly hairy guys anyway. Now, Hayden looked mighty fine in that shirtless scene in Stars Wars, and he didn't have much chest hair either. Woot.

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:45 PM

. . . or flatulent fourths on Mister Viggo . . . .

:eek: :eek: :eek:

That is just so wrong on so many levels :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:46 PM

Is he the shorty on Lost? I've never seen a LOTR movie in its entirety. :laugh:

Then you are NEVER allowed to comment on it again. It was greatness and I will not brook a bad word against it from an uninformed :laugh:

GateandGarden

06-14-2005, 03:47 PM

I'll take Dominic Monaghan...He's very hot too! :nod:

Moony

06-14-2005, 03:48 PM

Then you are NEVER allowed to comment on it again. It was greatness and I will not brook a bad word against it from an uninformed :laugh:
I agree!

*LOTR MAFIA* :cool:

amber

06-14-2005, 03:49 PM

I agree!

*LOTR MAFIA* :cool:
ooooo, is Mariah in it, too? I'm so scared!

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:50 PM

Ah well, it's for the best. I'm not into overly hairy guys anyway. Now, Hayden looked mighty fine in that shirtless scene in Stars Wars, and he didn't have much chest hair either. Woot.

I find bears repugnant, but I'm not opposed to a little bit of chest hair. :laugh: He was so built in that scene that I couldn't pay attention to anything other than his bod.

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 03:50 PM

*LOTR MAFIA* :cool:

I'm so in that group. My LOTR geekiness is out of control. :cool:

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:51 PM

Then you are NEVER allowed to comment on it again. It was greatness and I will not brook a bad word against it from an uninformed :laugh:

I couldn't help it, I fell asleep. No need for Nyquil, just pop in one of those movies. I did manage to see about two hours of the last one, though, before I succumbed to the Sandman. Why it won over Mystic River is a mystery to me....

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:54 PM

I couldn't help it, I fell asleep. No need for Nyquil, just pop in one of those movies. I did manage to see about two hours of the last one, though, before I succumbed to the Sandman. Why it won over Mystic River is a mystery to me....

Because you have no taste in movies :p :p :p I mean an epic or that overwraught tripe in that celluloid nightmare going "that's my daughter" (or whatever the hell he spews in that emotional sive) - so I say oh boo hoo - go back and try to bang Madonna if she'll have you you talentless hack.

LOTR Mafia indeed :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:55 PM

I find bears repugnant, but I'm not opposed to a little bit of chest hair. :laugh: He was so built in that scene that I couldn't pay attention to anything other than his bod.

Okay - HELLLO Mr. I do not like so many muscles :rolleyes: :mad: :mad:

WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Moony

06-14-2005, 03:55 PM

ooooo, is Mariah in it, too? I'm so scared!
OMG you are never going to live that down are you?!!!!!!

I will get you back, you just wait :laugh:

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck05.gif

amber

06-14-2005, 03:55 PM

Because you have no taste in movies :p :p :p I mean an epic or that overwraught tripe in that celluloid nightmare going "that's my daughter" (or whatever the hell he spews in that emotional sive) - so I say oh boo hoo - go back and try to bang Madonna if she'll have you you talentless hack.

LOTR Mafia indeed :laugh:
Yo, I tried to like it, too, and fell asleep as well. :cool:

GateandGarden

06-14-2005, 03:56 PM

Well, looks like you two are even. Jsaon falls asleep during Sideways and Josh during LOTR. Great movies. :shrug:

amber

06-14-2005, 03:57 PM

OMG you are never going to live that down are you?!!!!!!

I will get you back, you just wait :laugh:

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck05.gif
No, YOU are never going to live it down.... :) You're going to get me back? Oh, no! Watch out for the LOTR mafia! They'll corner you, and be so boring that you fall asleep! Help! :lol:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:57 PM

Yo, I tried to like it, too, and fell asleep as well. :cool:

Well, your from Calif. and y'all are all nuts out there :eek:

:p :p :p

LONG LIVE MIDDLE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:58 PM

Because you have no taste in movies :p :p :p I mean an epic or that overwraught tripe in that celluloid nightmare going "that's my daughter" (or whatever the hell he spews in that emotional sive) - so I say oh boo hoo - go back and try to bang Madonna if she'll have you you talentless hack.

LOTR Mafia indeed :laugh:

:rolleyes:

I like Clint Eastwood and fantastic acting, sue me.

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:58 PM

Well, looks like you two are even. Jsaon falls asleep during Sideways and Josh during LOTR. Great movies. :shrug:

That is because Sideways was an amateur day at the filming pond - LOTR was a masterpiece - YOU WILL SUCCOMB TO THE POWER OF THE ONE RING :laugh:

amber

06-14-2005, 03:58 PM

Well, your from Calif. and y'all are all nuts out there :eek:

:p :p :p

LONG LIVE MIDDLE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moony lives mere 1 1/2 hrs. from me. Explain that. Oh, I'M nuts? I met you, dude, remember that.

dissention

06-14-2005, 03:59 PM

Okay - HELLLO Mr. I do not like so many muscles :rolleyes: :mad: :mad:

WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hon, he's nowhere near as disgustingly musclebound as Sabato, and thank the stars for that. :woohoo: :laugh:

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 03:59 PM

No, YOU are never going to live it down.... :) You're going to get me back? Oh, no! Watch out for the LOTR mafia! They'll corner you, and be so boring that you fall asleep! Help! :lol:

You like Tom Cruise. Therefore your opinion= invalid.

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 03:59 PM

:rolleyes:

I like Clint Eastwood and fantastic acting, sue me.

I will give Mystic River its props except for Penn, who I found overwraught, stoned, or in a histrionic fit that would have made a silent film star jealous :laugh:

Moony

06-14-2005, 04:00 PM

No, YOU are never going to live it down.... :) You're going to get me back? Oh, no! Watch out for the LOTR mafia! They'll corner you, and be so boring that you fall asleep! Help! :lol:
http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/mad/1335.gif

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:01 PM

Moony lives mere 1 1/2 hrs. from me. Explain that. Oh, I'M nuts? I met you, dude, remember that.

Moony likes LOTR - thus, no lunacy applies in that regard. See how easy it is :lol: :lol: :lol:

Moony

06-14-2005, 04:01 PM

You like Tom Cruise. Therefore your opinion= invalid.
Ho****!!!

I'd say I agree but I'm afraid of the reprocussions from miss Bun.... :lol:

;)

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:02 PM

Hon, he's nowhere near as disgustingly musclebound as Sabato, and thank the stars for that. :woohoo: :laugh:

ummm I do not know about that. CH was ripped in that pic. Also, what are you gonna do about Bale at like 212 pounds :eek:

amber

06-14-2005, 04:02 PM

You like Tom Cruise. Therefore your opinion= invalid.
Do not speak of him in my presence, hater. You like all kinds of crap, therefore, your opinion = invalid. :)

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:04 PM

Do not speak of him in my presence, hater. You like all kinds of crap, therefore, your opinion = invalid. :)

Of course, if you like LOTR - then you can publicly admit to a liking of Cruise - who was I beleive considered to play Aragorn - SHIVERS from that horror.

dissention

06-14-2005, 04:04 PM

ummm I do not know about that. CH was ripped in that pic.

Ummm, I do. You're arguing with the person who sat there and oogled over and studied every frame of that scene?! Silly boy.

Also, what are you gonna do about Bale at like 212 pounds :eek:

I'm going to swoon because he's so beautiful. :p

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:06 PM

Ummm, I do. You're arguing with the person who sat there and oogled over and studied every frame of that scene?! Silly boy.

How many times did you almost die :cool:

I'm going to swoon because he's so beautiful. :p

Dissention like musclemen

Dissention like musclemen

Dissention like musclemen

:laugh: :rolleyes:

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 04:06 PM

Of course, if you like LOTR - then you can publicly admit to a liking of Cruise - who was I beleive considered to play Aragorn - SHIVERS from that horror.

So was Russell Crow. :eek:

Moony

06-14-2005, 04:07 PM

So was Russell Crow. :eek:
Good GAWD!
:eek: :eek:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:08 PM

So was Russell Crow. :eek:

Well, I could sort of see that in that RC dirties up pretty good. The problem with Crowe IMO would be he would look too much older than the rest. But, i could have seen it. Actually, Stewart Townsend (sp.?) had the roll but had to back out :eek:

amber

06-14-2005, 04:08 PM

Of course, if you like LOTR - then you can publicly admit to a liking of Cruise - who was I beleive considered to play Aragorn - SHIVERS from that horror.
I'm not really sure what this sentence means. Look, most of the country for 20 years has liked Cruise. We all (all the people my age) fell in love with Risky Business, Top Gun, (though of course there was always a Cruise/Kilmer debate. I say, why pick? I'll have them both! :lol: ) and that show me the money film. He's so likeable. That's just it. So, I have no shame in liking him. Plus, he has features that I, personally, find handsome. Nice jaw, gorgeous smile, green eyes, cheekbones, kinda short and stocky. He's like the boy version of Demi Moore, who is also most gorgeous ever. :) :woohoo:
Good Day!

dissention

06-14-2005, 04:08 PM

How many times did you almost die :cool:

Too many to count, silly boy.

Dissention like musclemen

Dissention like musclemen

Dissention like musclemen

:laugh: :rolleyes:

As long as they ain't Sabato. :lol: :woohoo:

Moony

06-14-2005, 04:10 PM

Demi Moore, who is also most gorgeous ever. :) :woohoo:

I think Demi looks like a skanky, white-trash whore.

Which in fact, she is!

:laugh:

amber

06-14-2005, 04:12 PM

I think Demi looks like a skanky, white-trash whore.

Which in fact, she is!

:laugh:
She's prettier than you.... :laugh:
I think she's gorgeous. But hey, I love green eyes, dark hair, and cheekbones you can cut *whatever* with.
GOOD DAY, MOONY!!!

dissention

06-14-2005, 04:12 PM

I'm not really sure what this sentence means. Look, most of the country for 20 years has liked Cruise. We all (all the people my age) fell in love with Risky Business, Top Gun, (though of course there was always a Cruise/Kilmer debate. I say, why pick? I'll have them both! :lol: ) and that show me the money film. He's so likeable. That's just it. So, I have no shame in liking him. Plus, he has features that I, personally, find handsome. Nice jaw, gorgeous smile, green eyes, cheekbones, kinda short and stocky. He's like the boy version of Demi Moore, who is also most gorgeous ever. :) :woohoo:
Good Day!

I actually like quite a few of his movies. Risky Business, Legend, A Few Good Men, Collateral, Magnolia, etc. I'm just not a fan of his acting, if that makes any sense. :laugh:

But at a mere 5'7", the man needs to wear stilts!!

amber

06-14-2005, 04:13 PM

I actually like quite a few of his movies. Risky Business, Legend, A Few Good Men, Collateral, Magnolia, etc. I'm just not a fan of his acting, if that makes any sense. :laugh:

But at a mere 5'7", the man needs to wear stilts!!
Not to kiss me! :laugh: Not that he would, because he's gay, but still. I thought he was 5'10"? Not that I care. Well, see there then, you are at least somewhat a fan of his script picking.

Moony

06-14-2005, 04:13 PM

She's prettier than you.... :laugh:
I think she's gorgeous. But hey, I love green eyes, dark hair, and cheekbones you can cut *whatever* with.
GOOD DAY, MOONY!!!
Of course she is! If I were pretty, I'd be horrified. I don't go for the fem look :laugh:

CreepingDeath

06-14-2005, 04:14 PM

Well, I could sort of see that in that RC dirties up pretty good. The problem with Crowe IMO would be he would look too much older than the rest. But, i could have seen it. Actually, Stewart Townsend (sp.?) had the roll but had to back out :eek:

I thought they just tossed Stewart Townsend because he was "working out in the role". I think he looked too young to play Aragorn. He's supposed to be 80+ during the war of the ring. I know he has the blood of Numenor and all, but still....

dissention

06-14-2005, 04:15 PM

I think Demi looks like a skanky, white-trash whore.

Which in fact, she is!

:laugh:

:eek:

I think she's beautiful. Her tit job makes her look like a Colombian drug mule, but she's beautiful nonetheless.

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:16 PM

Not to kiss me! :laugh: Not that he would, because he's gay, but still. I thought he was 5'10"? Not that I care. Well, see there then, you are at least somewhat a fan of his script picking.

Darling - I like almost all of his movies - I am just saying that because I love LOTR - I can say that publicly :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:17 PM

:eek:

I think she's beautiful. Her tit job makes her look like a Colombian drug mule, but she's beautiful nonetheless.

I do too

AND Ashton looks just like she did 30 years ago LOL

amber

06-14-2005, 04:17 PM

Of course she is! If I were pretty, I'd be horrified. I don't go for the fem look :laugh:
You know what? I'm going to buy 2 awesome pit tickets, not tell you, and just fricking HOLD the other one, and go by myself. :woohoo: Oh, by the way, I will be looking like a skanky white trash whore at the time, too. :woohoo:

strandinthewind

06-14-2005, 04:18 PM

I thought they just tossed Stewart Townsend because he was "working out in the role". I think he looked too young to play Aragorn. He's supposed to be 80+ during the war of the ring. I know he has the blood of Numenor and all, but still....

I agree - ST looks too young and he is too pretty for the roll, esp. when Legolas is the clean and pretty elf and Aragorn is the dirty human.