Tom Petty talks about Stevie

[blinker12]

There's a new book coming out in November called "Conversations with Tom Petty," by Paul Zollo. I got an early copy at work.
Stevie comes up a few times, and I thought I'd transcribe the sections where she's discussed at any length. I never knew Tom made an attempt at producing her first record!
There's a small photo included of Tom and Stevie, from what appears to be the "Insider" video.

Q: A lot of people thought you crafted SDMHA to be a hit single for the two of you.
A: The song wasn't crafted for Stevie. If you hear the original on the boxed set, all they did was take that track and overdub Stevie onto it.

Q: Which is surprising because it seems like she is singing the melody but she is really singing harmony and you are singing the melody, right?
A: Yes, on the choruses I am. They put her in singing the verses. But in the choruses I'm really singing the melody and she is singing harmony.
Stevie came to me around '78. And she was this absolutely stoned-gone huge fan. And it was her mission in life that I should write her a song. And we were a little wary of Stevie. We didn't quite know whether to like Stevie or not, because we kind of saw this big corporate rock band, Fleetwood Mac, which was wrong, they were actually artistic people. But in those days, nobody trusted that sort of thing and we just kept thinking, 'What does she want from us?' And then, of course, she turned into one of my great, great friends forever. But Stevie was really adamant about me writing her a song.
And so I think that around late '78, she approached me about producing her first solo record. Now Stevie, there's a Cecil B. DeMille movie. This is a person that's larger than life in a hundred ways. And I loved her voice. I thought she sang great. And I said okay and I went down to the session to produce a record for her. I went down and I did one track and it was a completely different world from anything I had seen. Dealing with girls was a whole different thing and Stevie was in a whole different place than we were.

Q: Emotionally?
A: [Laughs] Every kind of way. She was very sweet and we liked her. But she had just a whole different kind of work ethic than we had, and there were a lot of people, a lot of hangers-on. The whole Elvis kind of theme of a big entourage. We'd never been a very big fan of that. And so after a track I went, 'Look, I can't do this. I don't have the time. I'm too busy and I don't think that I'm going to be a big help to you. But I know a guy who might be good for you named Jimmy Iovine.' And so, as time went by, and we hung out a bit, we got to know her more and more, she would come over to my house and just hang out and play records or whatever. And we'd sing a bit. We used to sit around and play the guitar and sing.

Q: Harmony?
A: Yeah, just anything.

Q: She's a great harmony singer.
A: She's incredible. We could make a pretty good sound, singing with the acoustic guitar. And so finally I wrote her this song called "Insider" and I brought it down and Jimmy just flipped over the song. He thought it was incredible. Really great, and I really liked it. I was really proud of it.

Q: Had you ever written a song for someone else?
A: No.

Q: Did you write it with her voice in mind?
A: Yeah. And I loved it. I thought it was one of my best songs to that point and I cut it there, just me and my guitar. And then Stevie sang it with me. And then we put the band on after. And by the time the track was coming to fruition with the band and everything, I was getting a little depressed about giving away this song. [Laughs]

Q: I understand you felt your single "A Woman in Love" would have done better if not for the duet for Stevie.
A: I'm sure of it. 'Cause they came out roughly the same time, and Stevie's record was huge. And so it was an awkward position for us because it was billed as Stevie Nicks with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers and a lot of the radio programmers didn't want to have two TP&H songs around the same period. Especially while one was getting this extreme amount of airplay. So it was a little awkward for us.

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More about "Insider":

Q: "Insider" is a cool title. Was that one you had before writing the song?
A: No. It came as I was writing, if I remember correctly. It just came out of the verse. I wrote that on my own at home. I remember spending a good day on it. And I was just knocked out with it when I got done. And Iovine was really knocked out with it. Extremely excited about it.

Q: Did you tell him it was for Stevie Nicks?
A: Yeah. He asked for a song. He was going to produce [Stevie's album, Bella Donna]. He wanted one desperately. I remember bringing it to him, and he said, 'God, when I asked for a song, I didn't expect this!' And I was really attached to it. And it really hurt me when I did the track and the vocals. And I said, [softly] 'Stevie, I can't give you this.' And she said, 'Well, I can relate to that. I completely understand. I'll take something else.'

Q: Was there any thought of making "Insider" a single?
A: No, they always wanted something more upbeat for singles. Very rarely did they put out a ballad for a single. I don't think ever. "Free Fallin'" was the first time, I think, that I ever had a ballad out for a single. And even then it was the third single from the album.

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"The Apartment Song" (from the Playback box set)

Q: The boxed set has a wonderful home demo of "The Apartment Song" with Stevie Nicks singing the harmonies.
A: [Stevie and I] used to do that from time to time, just sit around and sing. And sometimes run a tape recorder, and we'd play it back, have some drinks. She used to visit me quite often. Come over, and we'd always wind up singing. So I love to sing with Stevie.

Q: You recorded that song for Full Moon Fever. Was there the thought of bringing Stevie in to sing on it?
A: No. I think at that point, I wanted it to be solo. I had never really pictured it being a duet. But Stevie was there, and I showed her the song I'd written. And she liked it, and sang along on it. Probably only got recorded once.

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"Don't Come Around Here No More"

Tom: I met [Dave Stewart] in the Eighties. When music really turned to ****. People were trying to do something, but it was all these fakey keyboard sounds. A lot of prancing and posing. So Jimmy Iovine was looking for songs for Stevie Nicks. And he came to me. I said, 'I don't really have anything left over. I don't have anything I can give away.'
And he said, 'Well, you know I'm frustrated, I'm trying to find writers. Who do you think would be a good writer?' And Dave had just come out with that "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)," which I thought was a really good song. And then I heard one or two more that I thought were really good. I said, 'You should try this guy Dave Stewart. He's in England. I don't know him, but he seems consistent as a writer. He seems really good.' So the next thing I know, not many weeks later the phone rings, and it's Dave Stewart. And he says, 'Hey, I'm here, and Jimmy told me I got the gig from you. I've come over to write some stuff for Stevie and other people. And why don't you come down? Let's get together. I'd like to see you.'
[They wrote "Don't Come" in the studio, and they spent a month producing it.]

Q: I like the stops in it, where you sing the word, "Stop!"
A: That was [Dave's] idea. To go, 'Stop!' And we used girls, which was kind of an accident. Because when we started it, we were working at Sunset Sound, and Stevie had booked the time. And the girls that sing with her had turned up for the session, but Stevie had cancelled the session. So the girls were still there. Dave said, 'Let's get them out here and see what they can do.' And then they did that great bit. [Sings "Ah ah ah ooh ooh."] And then there's a girl named Stephanie who we brought in to sing that really high, wailing thing at the end.

(Note: I'm assuming Stephanie is NOT Stevie. ;) Also, there's no mention of the song being offered to Stevie.)

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Only mention of Lindsey, discussing "Walls":

Q: You have one version of it called "Walls (Circus)" with amazing vocal harmonies by Lindsey Buckingham.
A: He's amazing. He was kind enough to come down and sing that.

Q: Was it your idea to call him?
A: Yeah, yeah. I'm a big fan of Lindsey's. And I called him and was really knocked out that he came down and helped me with that. [Having two versions of the song] was Ed Burns' idea. He wanted one version of "Walls" to start the movie, and another arrangement to end the movie. So I did two different arrangements of it. And Lindsey's just amazing on that track.

Q: Did he come up with those harmonies?
A: Yeah, it was all him. He came down and did it all in one session. I kind of just sat back and watched him go. Just going, 'Yep--that's what I would've done!' [Laughs]

Q: It's cool you've worked with both Stevie Nicks and Lindsey.
A: Yeah. I worked with [Lindsey] again on The Last DJ. He sang on "The Man Who Loves Women."

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I don't see a single mention of "I Will Run to You," unfortunately; I love that song. He also doesn't mention Stevie's involvement in the Australia tour with Dylan, nor her live performances on "Pack Up the Plantation." So that's pretty much all, folks!

[lagringader&r]

There's a new book about to come out called "Conversations with Tom Petty," by Paul Zollo. I got an early copy at work.
Stevie comes up a few times, and I thought I'd transcribe the longest section about her. I never knew Tom made an attempt at producing her first record!

Q: A lot of people thought you crafted SDMHA to be a hit single for the two of you.
A: The song wasn't crafted for Stevie. If you hear the original on the boxed set, all they did was take that track and overdub Stevie onto it.

Q: Which is surprising because it seems like she is singing the melody but she is really singing harmony and you are singing the melody, right?
A: Yes, on the choruses I am. They put her in singing the verses. But in the choruses I'm really singing the melody and she is singing harmony.
Stevie came to me around '78. And she was this absolutely stoned-gone huge fan. And it was her mission in life that I should write her a song. And we were a little wary of Stevie. We didn't quite know whether to like Stevie or not, because we kind of saw this big corporate rock band, Fleetwood Mac, which was wrong, they were actually artistic people. But in those days, nobody trusted that sort of thing and we just kept thinking, 'What does she want from us?' And then, of course, she turned into one of my great, great friends forever. But Stevie was really adamant about me writing her a song.
And so I think that around late '78, she approached me about producing her first solo record. Now Stevie, there's a Cecil B. DeMille movie. This is a person that's larger than life in a hundred ways. And I loved her voice. I thought she sang great. And I said okay and I went down to the session to produce a record for her. I went down and I did one track and it was a completely different world from anything I had seen. Dealing with girls was a whole different thing and Stevie was in a whole different place than we were.

Q: Emotionally?
A: [Laughs] Every kind of way. She was very sweet and we liked her. But she had just a whole different kind of work ethic than we had, and there were a lot of people, a lot of hangers-on. The whole Elvis kind of theme of a big entourage. We'd never been a very big fan of that. And so after a track I went, 'Look, I can't do this. I don't have the time. I'm too busy and I don't think that I'm going to be a big help to you. But I know a guy who might be good for you named Jimmy Iovine.' And so, as time went by, and we hung out a bit, we got to know her more and more, she would come over to my house and just hang out and play records or whatever. And we'd sing a bit. We used to sit around and play the guitar and sing.

Q: Harmony?
A: Yeah, just anything.

Q: She's a great harmony singer.
A: She's incredible. We could make a pretty good sound, singing with the acoustic guitar. And so finally I wrote her this song called "Insider" and I brought it down and Jimmy just flipped over the song. He thought it was incredible. Really great, and I really liked it. I was really proud of it.

Q: Had you ever written a song for someone else?
A: No.

Q: Did you write it with her voice in mind?
A: Yeah. And I loved it. I thought it was one of my best songs to that point and I cut it there, just me and my guitar. And then Stevie sang it with me. And then we put the band on after. And by the time the track was coming to fruition with the band and everything, I was getting a little depressed about giving away this song. [Laughs]
[Elsewhere he talks about how he then decided to keep the song and that Stevie understood.]

Q: I understand you felt your single "A Woman in Love" would have done better if not for the duet for Stevie.
A: I'm sure of it. 'Cause they came out roughly the same time, and Stevie's record was huge. And so it was an awkward position for us because it was billed as Stevie Nicks with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers and a lot of the radio programmers didn't want to have two TP&H songs around the same period. Especially while one was getting this extreme amount of airplay. So it was a little awkward for us.

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Later in the book Tom talks about how in the mid-1980s Iovine came to him again looking for material for Stevie, but he didn't have any. Instead Tom recommended Dave Stewart of Eurythmics, then unknown, to come write some stuff for her. So Iovine brought Stewart to the States, and he and Petty wrote "Don't Come Around Here No More" -- though apparently still nothing materialized for Stevie!

I have to get this book! I love this: "Now Stevie, there's a Cecil B. DeMille movie. This is a person that's larger than life in a hundred ways." :laugh: I can just visualize her hanging around Tom and him not knowing what to think of her and just kind of looking at her sideways. Also, how he felt depressed at the thought of giving up Insider. I love "A Woman In Love", too. Awesome Petty song.

Thanks for posting this! When is the book out in stores? Is there much more on Stevie in it? :cool:

[blinker12]

Thanks for posting this! When is the book out in stores? Is there much more on Stevie in it? :cool:

You're welcome! I just checked the book, and actually it doesn't come out til November. :shrug:
This is by far the biggest chunk about Stevie. It seems there are random mentions elsewhere, but nothing else major.

[lagringader&r]

You're welcome! I just checked the book, and actually it doesn't come out til November. :shrug:
This is by far the biggest chunk about Stevie. It seems there are random mentions elsewhere, but nothing else major.

I love the way he is with her. He seems so matter-of-fact and so practical and Stevie is such a storm..like a little tornado blowing in. They were so meant to be friends. I love this line too: "Stevie came to me around '78. And she was this absolutely stoned-gone huge fan." That is priceless! :laugh:

[blinker12]

I love the way he is with her. He seems so matter-of-fact and so practical and Stevie is such a storm. :laugh:

I know! I think it's that tension between their personalities that made for some great music.
He also seems like one of the very few people in her life who is totally straight with her. He doesn't feel the need to dance around her or treat her like a star, and I love that. I think Lindsey is the only other person like that -- though even he seems cowed by her at times in "Destiny Rules." Maybe Don.

[trackaghost]

Oh wow, I love to read Tom talking about Stevie! Love it!

Thanks so much for typing all that out for us!

I just wish they would work together again. There's so much more potential for that musical relationship.

And if the two of them went on tour together, I'd be over to the States in a shot.

[lagringader&r]

I know! I think it's that tension between their personalities that made for some great music.
He also seems like one of the very few people in her life who is totally straight with her. He doesn't feel the need to dance around her or treat her like a star, and I love that. I think Lindsey is the only other person like that -- though even he seems cowed by her at times in "Destiny Rules." Maybe Don.

I think Tom might still look at her sideways sometimes. :laugh:

I just watched the Destiny Rules thing again recently and I saw something I never noticed before. It was the scene where Lindsey is *instructing* her on the rules of grammar :rolleyes: and I always watched Stevie when she said "you wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan." It's a split screen and I never looked at Lindsey while she was saying that, but the look on his face is precious! He gets this expression like he's about to come unglued, like "here we go again." :lol: I'm not sure if he was cowing down to her. I think he was probably gritting his teeth a lot. That's probably one of the reasons they don't get along. She gets on his last nerve and vice versa. Tom just knows what's coming and how to handle it. :laugh:

[desertangel]

I love the way he is with her. He seems so matter-of-fact and so practical and Stevie is such a storm..like a little tornado blowing in. They were so meant to be friends. I love this line too: "Stevie came to me around '78. And she was this absolutely stoned-gone huge fan." That is priceless! :laugh:

This part gets me too because I was dating this biker 1976-1977 and his dad's friend gave us an advance copy of TP&THB first album. The guy said he was promoting them or knew some record guy... something like that. Wish I could remember that guy's name. Anyway, I remember looking at the cover and saying I thought TP looked kinda geeky but like he was trying to be cool by wearing the leather, a la Fonzie. Like I was sooo bad back then, yanno? But we gave it a listen and instantly fell in love with it. Even recorded it onto 8 track so we could listen to it in the van. We listened to it everywhere we went. So my bf and I quickly became big fans too. I don't recall that TP&THB came smashing onto the scene tho. It really wasn't until 1979 that they "took off." So ... I dunno... I just always thought it was kinda cool that the dude gave us the promo LP and we loved TP immediately and then they became huge and long lasting and I was a fan ever since andd the whole Stevie connection l... sigh... life is kinda cool that way.

Laura

[blinker12]

Thanks so much for typing all that out for us!
I just wish they would work together again. There's so much more potential for that musical relationship.

No problem on the typing! Though my fingers are a bit sore, lol.
I would like to see them work together again too. But I admire Tom for maintaining limits on their musical relationship -- as he did during the infamous "That Made Me Stronger" conversation. I think Stevie tends to be a little too dependent on him when he lets her be, and he recognizes that and therefore keeps some distance. After all, his saying "no" to writing songs for her in the late 90s is what got Stevie writing again -- even if she couldn't quite come up with music for the actual song about that exchange! :laugh:
As a Stevie fan I thank him for that...

[Mari]

What Sharon said. :thumbsup:

I love Tom Petty's (early) stuff, this was a great read...

(now I'm wondering, would the joint-thing be something Stevie picked up from Tom or the other way around?)

[blinker12]

Mari, your signature file... It's so vicious, but so GOOD! :lol:

[Mari]

thanks :D
it's my favorite 'homemade' banner sofar :cool:

[lagringader&r]

This part gets me too because I was dating this biker 1976-1977 and his dad's friend gave us an advance copy of TP&THB first album. The guy said he was promoting them or knew some record guy... something like that. Wish I could remember that guy's name. Anyway, I remember looking at the cover and saying I thought TP looked kinda geeky but like he was trying to be cool by wearing the leather, a la Fonzie. Like I was sooo bad back then, yanno? But we gave it a listen and instantly fell in love with it. Even recorded it onto 8 track so we could listen to it in the van. We listened to it everywhere we went. So my bf and I quickly became big fans too. I don't recall that TP&THB came smashing onto the scene tho. It really wasn't until 1979 that they "took off." So ... I dunno... I just always thought it was kinda cool that the dude gave us the promo LP and we loved TP immediately and then they became huge and long lasting and I was a fan ever since andd the whole Stevie connection l... sigh... life is kinda cool that way.

Laura

Gawd, you have the coolest stories! So, you heard Tom before he became big.. :thumbsup: He is kind of geeky, but in a sexy, I'm-a-huge-rock-star kind of way. :nod:

[lagringader&r]

thanks :D
it's my favorite 'homemade' banner sofar :cool:

I love it! I've never heard of Mick referred to as a *twat*. So appropriate. :lol:

[Mari]

The inspiration came from a movie poster for 24 hr Party People, so that's where the 'twat' comes from.. but it is very appropriate, yeah :D

[desertangel]

Gawd, you have the coolest stories! So, you heard Tom before he became big.. :thumbsup: He is kind of geeky, but in a sexy, I'm-a-huge-rock-star kind of way. :nod:

:) It's because I grew up in OC... SoCali is where all the sh*t happens, man. Too bad I left. Ya... I'll always remember that about TP. I saw 'em live for the first time here in town a few years ago. When they were playing American Girl... the album, that guy, the van, the 8 track... big flashback. When I see him on talk shows... gawd he was such a geeky looking guy on that album cover, now he's just an older geeky looking guy. But he is sooo cool... isn't he?

When you imagine people and their friends... I can sooo see Stevie and Tom as being great friends for years. I loved the "dealing with girls" part. Can you picture that in your mind? I can. :lol:

Laura

[GODDESS6]

wow thanx 4 posting, how cool is that?!?!?~ i can't wait 2 read it!!!~

[LiquidBlue5000]

After all, his saying "no" to writing songs for her in the late 90s is what got Stevie writing again -- even if she couldn't quite come up with music for the actual song about that exchange!

"can you write this for me, he said no you write your songs yourself" :rolleyes: ::sigh:: :lol:

[vermicious knid]

[Elsewhere he talks about how he then decided to keep the song and that Stevie understood.]
That's interesting, because I had heard rumors that Stevie recognized how personal the song was and said she couldn't sing it. Guess not.

I went down and I did one track and it was a completely different world from anything I had seen.
Do we know what this song is?
I wish we had gotten the full scoop on "Don't Come Around Here No More" as well since that story probably has more drama. What with Stevie's petulant attitude towards Tom recording the song.

[Miss Vicky]

Just out of curiosity, are there any LB mentions in the book? I know they've only worked together twice (She's the One and The Last DJ), but their collaboration has always fascinated me much more than TP and SN. Those two guys are so totally different. On one hand you have the eccentric introverted genius freak and on the other you have the much more laid back old redneck (not my words, he's described himself as a redneck). Mind you, both of them epitomize cool in their own way (and I've been a Petty fan far longer than I've been an LB fan) but they're just so different. And while SN and TP's voices harmonize well, LB and TP... don't. As much as I love "Walls" and "The Man Who Loves Women" they still sound a bit odd to me. But I'm starting to ramble now so I'll stop. :sorry:

[strandinthewind]

Thanks for posting that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:angel:

[golden braid]

Thanks for transcribing! I love Tom and I can hardly wait to read the book now. What did Tom say later in the book about Insider and why he kept it?

[dissention]

Later in the book Tom talks about how in the mid-1980s Iovine came to him again looking for material for Stevie, but he didn't have any. Instead Tom recommended Dave Stewart of Eurythmics, then unknown, to come write some stuff for her. So Iovine brought Stewart to the States, and he and Petty wrote "Don't Come Around Here No More" -- though apparently still nothing materialized for Stevie!

If you read the book that comes with Petty's boxed set, it says that Stevie "balked" at recording Don't Come Around Here No More and that her and Dave Stewart didn't get along. :laugh:

Thanks for the transcription! I'll have to get this book since I'm a huge Petty fan.

[catinthedark]

Thanks for the long transcription! I love it - especially the Cecil B. De Mille line. Hilarious. That? would make a great signature...

I love and adore Tom Petty. I would love to see Stevie and Tom do a joint tour next summer. After Lindsey, I think Tom is the voice she just melts with the best. She wraps her voice around Lindsey's like no one else, but the partnering of her voice and Tom's is just as heavenly.

[Livia]

Thanks for the long transcription! I love it - especially the Cecil B. De Mille line. Hilarious. That? would make a great signature...

I love and adore Tom Petty. I would love to see Stevie and Tom do a joint tour next summer. After Lindsey, I think Tom is the voice she just melts with the best. She wraps her voice around Lindsey's like no one else, but the partnering of her voice and Tom's is just as heavenly.

:thumbsup: And thanks for transcribing!

[all the same]

The Insider is such a beautiful song. I would cry when I listen to it, but I have a heart of stone! :laugh:

[Rickypt]

Oh how I wish the Two Voices Tour was with a different voice

[skcin]

The Insider is such a beautiful song. I would cry when I listen to it, but I have a heart of stone! :laugh:


My heart is made of mush, encased in a crunchy shell (like a Dove ice cream bar. I want ice cream now...)

Ooops - anyway - Insider has made me cry. I love everything about it - their voices together, the music, the lyrics.

[amber]

My heart is made of mush, encased in a crunchy shell (like a Dove ice cream bar. I want ice cream now...)

Ooops - anyway - Insider has made me cry. I love everything about it - their voices together, the music, the lyrics.
:xoxo: :xoxo:
Me, too. Except the crunchy shell has nuts....mmmmm, nuts...
anyway, Insider is my most fave, made my cry lots of times, just from the beauty.
Thanks for posting that, I like how Tom answered "She's incredible" When the guy talked about her harmonies. It's just exactly what I think. :)
Hi, Paula! One more day..... :]

[rbs3676]

WOW!
I am a huge TP fan and have been since the YOU'RE GONNA GET IT release.
The admiration that Tom and Stevie have for each other is so sincere -- and the magic they create together truly is something money can't buy. It's one of my wishes that they find a project to do together... :]

When can I buy this book??!!

rbs

[skcin]

:xoxo: :xoxo:
Me, too. Except the crunchy shell has nuts....mmmmm, nuts...
anyway, Insider is my most fave, made my cry lots of times, just from the beauty.
Thanks for posting that, I like how Tom answered "She's incredible" When the guy talked about her harmonies. It's just exactly what I think. :)
Hi, Paula! One more day..... :]


Hey Amby! :wavey: Been missing you lately - seems when you're on, I'm not & vice versa. :shrug:

[Nixxxed]

If you read the book that comes with Petty's boxed set, it says that Stevie "balked" at recording Don't Come Around Here No More and that her and Dave Stewart didn't get along. :laugh:

Thanks for the transcription! I'll have to get this book since I'm a huge Petty fan.
Dave seems to have that effect on women, considering all the nasty fights with Annie Lennox that I've read/heard about over the years... :laugh:

But I still love him. And I'm glad he didn't work with Stevie (although I really couldn't tell you why).

[cliffdweller]

My heart is made of mush, encased in a crunchy shell (like a Dove ice cream bar.

Your heart sounds delicious :laugh:.

I wonder what Tom meant about Stevie's work ethic. He said it was completely different from his, and after 1 track he decided he couldn't produce the album. Leads me to believe that Stevie was, if anything, slow at getting the job done (I wonder what caused this: drama? perfection? not sure what sound she wanted? etc..).

I bet Tom wasn't used to working with someone who started work at 9:00 p.m. either :laugh:

[skcin]

Your heart sounds delicious :laugh:.

I wonder what Tom meant about Stevie's work ethic. He said it was completely different from his, and after 1 track he decided he couldn't produce the album. Leads me to believe that Stevie was, if anything, slow at getting the job done (I wonder what caused this: drama? perfection? not sure what sound she wanted? etc..).

I bet Tom wasn't used to working with someone who started work at 9:00 p.m. either :laugh:

Thanks, I want ice cream now...

Maybe it was the cocaine? :D

[dissention]

I wonder what Tom meant about Stevie's work ethic.

Tom meant that her work ethic was good, but would have been stronger if she substituted the coke for Vitamin C tablets. ;)

[amber]

Your heart sounds delicious :laugh:.

I wonder what Tom meant about Stevie's work ethic. He said it was completely different from his, and after 1 track he decided he couldn't produce the album. Leads me to believe that Stevie was, if anything, slow at getting the job done (I wonder what caused this: drama? perfection? not sure what sound she wanted? etc..).

I bet Tom wasn't used to working with someone who started work at 9:00 p.m. either :laugh:
He mentioned her "entourage" as well, so there was probably a lot of futzing around with whatever in between working. Chatting, hemming, hawing, etc. :)

[Serrart]

He mentioned her "entourage" as well, so there was probably a lot of futzing around with whatever in between working. Chatting, hemming, hawing, etc. :)

I also think the big Stevie entourage was a main problem. People like Tom Petty or Bruce Springsteen get nervous (at least) having 20 strangers around doing nothing but distracting them. That's another reason why his friendship with Stevie seems so special, they're so different but there's this strong and deep connection between them. I hope they'll work together again soon. :)

Romy

[amber]

I also think the big Stevie entourage was a main problem. People like Tom Petty or Bruce Springsteen get nervous (at least) having 20 strangers around doing nothing but distracting them. That's another reason why his friendship with Stevie seems so special, they're so different but there's this strong and deep connection between them. I hope they'll work together again soon. :)

Romy
well said. I agree.
I don't think Stevie's the kind of person who likes to be alone much, either. Maybe more, now, but still.

[Serrart]

well said. I agree.
I don't think Stevie's the kind of person who likes to be alone much, either. Maybe more, now, but still.

Yes now the entourage seems less a corporate convention. I guess having all those people around especially for someone who suffers of stage fright could have been reassuring, but courtiers are unfaithful and deadly... Stevie must have realized it after klonopin years.

Romy

[SapphireSister]

Insider has to be one of the most beautiful songs ever written. It was given to me on a Stevie Nicks mix cd a friend sent to me several years ago and I fell in love instantly. It's a live recording and Tom introuduces Stevie and the crowd goes wild and then at the end he says "Stevie Nicks!". I have no idea what it's from (I'm assuming early 80's) and come to think of it I've never heard the album version. Wonder how it compares to the live one I'm so in love with.

[amber]

Insider has to be one of the most beautiful songs ever written. It was given to me on a Stevie Nicks mix cd a friend sent to me several years ago and I fell in love instantly. It's a live recording and Tom introuduces Stevie and the crowd goes wild and then at the end he says "Stevie Nicks!". I have no idea what it's from (I'm assuming early 80's) and come to think of it I've never heard the album version. Wonder how it compares to the live one I'm so in love with.
The album version is not as good as the live, but it is still good, and they made a video. As far as I know, there is no video of that live performance. That song obsesses me, I think it's wondrously beautiful, it's probably my favorite song and my favorite stevie voice. Talking about the live version you have. And, yes, at the end, I always go...."STEVIE NICKS! *ROOOOOOOOAAAAARRRR OF CROWD*" :nod: :nod: I really can't express how much I love that live version.

[Nightbirdjel]

Ooops - anyway - Insider has made me cry. I love everything about it - their voices together, the music, the lyrics.

I'm sure everyone has seen this by now: remember TPs "Going Home" doc on the Disney channel back in the mid-90s? It showed TP presenting "Insider" to his band. If I remember right (haven't seen it in a while), he sits on the floor and plays acoustic guitar and sings it while the others look on. It's a really intense personal and beautiful moment. I would absolutely KILL to see SN and TP sing this (or anything else) live in person. Hell, I'd just like to see them on VIDEO together singing live at this point!

[trackaghost]

Insider has to be one of the most beautiful songs ever written. It was given to me on a Stevie Nicks mix cd a friend sent to me several years ago and I fell in love instantly. It's a live recording and Tom introuduces Stevie and the crowd goes wild and then at the end he says "Stevie Nicks!". I have no idea what it's from (I'm assuming early 80's) and come to think of it I've never heard the album version. Wonder how it compares to the live one I'm so in love with.


Inside live is from Tom's mid-80s live album Pack Up The Plantation, Live!, which you should all really buy - it's great. Plus it has Stevie and Tom's version of Needles And Pins.

The studio version is on Hard Promises from 1981. I think both versions are great although I know Amber prefers the live version.
The video (for the studio version) is simple but effective too.

[trackaghost]

I'm sure everyone has seen this by now: remember TPs "Going Home" doc on the Disney channel back in the mid-90s? It showed TP presenting "Insider" to his band. If I remember right (haven't seen it in a while), he sits on the floor and plays acoustic guitar and sings it while the others look on. It's a really intense personal and beautiful moment. I would absolutely KILL to see SN and TP sing this (or anything else) live in person. Hell, I'd just like to see them on VIDEO together singing live at this point!

Yep, everyone has this look of awe. It sounded amazing right from the start.

That programme also has footage of Tom teaching Stevie how to sing Stop Draggin' My Heart Around in the studio, which is very cool too.

[SapphireSister]

The album version is not as good as the live, but it is still good, and they made a video. As far as I know, there is no video of that live performance. That song obsesses me, I think it's wondrously beautiful, it's probably my favorite song and my favorite stevie voice. Talking about the live version you have. And, yes, at the end, I always go...."STEVIE NICKS! *ROOOOOOOOAAAAARRRR OF CROWD*" :nod: :nod: I really can't express how much I love that live version.

I cannot express how much I love it either (has anyone told you lately you have great taste, Amber?;)) It made such an impact on me I had to make a copy of it for my co-worker who is a singer/songwriter and went on and on about how much I adore it. I don't really consider it a Stevie song though for some odd reason.

[catinthedark]

My heart is made of mush, encased in a crunchy shell (like a Dove ice cream bar. I want ice cream now...)

Ooops - anyway - Insider has made me cry. I love everything about it - their voices together, the music, the lyrics.

Paula - I LOVE the picture in your sig!!

[amber]

Yep, everyone has this look of awe. It sounded amazing right from the start.

That programme also has footage of Tom teaching Stevie how to sing Stop Draggin' My Heart Around in the studio, which is very cool too.
:eek: :eek: :eek: God, I would kill to see that. As well as the INsider live video...

[SapphireSister]

I would absolutely KILL to see SN and TP sing this (or anything else) live in person. Hell, I'd just like to see them on VIDEO together singing live at this point!

ANYTHING is better than Waddy Watchell singing Tom's part on SDMHA. You think someone would have put a stop to that after all these years...

[amber]

I cannot express how much I love it either (has anyone told you lately you have great taste, Amber?;)) It made such an impact on me I had to make a copy of it for my co-worker who is a singer/songwriter and went on and on about how much I adore it. I don't really consider it a Stevie song though for some odd reason.
:laugh: You, too! :xoxo: But, I think everyone likes that song quite a bit. Except, I know Diss thinks Needles and Pins in that same live performance is better. So, maybe not everyone, but....
I know, I kept making my friends, aquaintances, and parents listen to it. "But you HAVE to hear this harmony, it's so strange, and so beautiful!!!" I would say....of course, no one else quite saw the otherworldly brilliance of it that I did, but, I got a few ok responses... :lol:

Catinthedark - I love paula's sig, too, isn't it great!!!?

[strandinthewind]

:eek: :eek: :eek: God, I would kill to see that. As well as the INsider live video...


if you get it, I want a copy!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[SapphireSister]

:laugh: You, too! :xoxo: But, I think everyone likes that song quite a bit. Except, I know Diss thinks Needles and Pins in that same live performance is better. So, maybe not everyone, but....
I know, I kept making my friends, aquaintances, and parents listen to it. "But you HAVE to hear this harmony, it's so strange, and so beautiful!!!" I would say....of course, no one else quite saw the otherworldly brilliance of it that I did, but, I got a few ok responses... :lol:

Catinthedark - I love paula's sig, too, isn't it great!!!?

You're such a great Stevie fan. Too bad you live in the wrong part of California :( We could have so much fun!

[catinthedark]

:eek: :eek: :eek: God, I would kill to see that. As well as the INsider live video...

OMG, I literally get the shivers everytime I listen to the live version of Insider - when the applause suddenly suuuurge, and you know Stevie has just walked out on stage....

[amber]

if you get it, I want a copy!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I heard one doesn't exist, no one's ever heard that there was one. :distress:

You're such a great Stevie fan. Too bad you live in the wrong part of California We could have so much fun!
Actually, sweetie, it's YOU that lives in the wrong part of California... ;)

[catinthedark]

You're such a great Stevie fan. Too bad you live in the wrong part of California :( We could have so much fun!

I agree!! Amber, you gotta move northeast... I am EXACTLY like that with Insider. "You have to hear this... listen... hold on... listen for the harmonies... it's coming... the word right.... HERE!!"

Sigh. :o Isn't it beautiful?

[SapphireSister]

OMG, I literally get the shivers everytime I listen to the live version of Insider - when the applause suddenly suuuurge, and you know Stevie has just walked out on stage....

Awww so everybody really does love it! It's so cool to meet people who are affected the same way that I am by these songs. I don't know anyone in real life who gives a darn which is why I love the Ledge!

[trackaghost]

The clip isn't that long, but it just shows Stevie singing a part and then Tom stopping her and saying no, do it more like this...
Still cool to see.

I wish I could make copies for you both, but it's the PAL video problem thing again. I wish I knew how to record it to DVD :(

I've also got a great Stevie interview from 1989 from UK's Sky News, that I've NEVER seen on any trade list anywhere, on video. I bet I could get some good trades with that but alas I know nothing about technology.

[dissention]

Inside live is from Tom's mid-80s live album Pack Up The Plantation, Live!, which you should all really buy - it's great. Plus it has Stevie and Tom's version of Needles And Pins.

Try to find the cassette of Pack Up the Plantation, Live!, though, because the CD cuts songs out. :rolleyes:

[trackaghost]

I heard one doesn't exist, no one's ever heard that there was one. :distress:



I don't think Tom and Stevie performed it more than a few times. I'd love to see them performing I Will Run To You live as well.
Ah, all this footage we'll never see :(

[skcin]

Paula - I LOVE the picture in your sig!!


Catinthedark - I love paula's sig, too, isn't it great!!!?

Thanks guys! Vegas Wed 5-11....ah, I remember it well (and so does Amber.)

[SapphireSister]

Ok we all need to listen to Insider live tonight...

[trackaghost]

Try to find the cassette of Pack Up the Plantation, Live!, though, because the CD cuts songs out. :rolleyes:

I have the double vinyl that I bought back in the 1980s :thumbsup:

[dissention]

I have the double vinyl that I bought back in the 1980s :thumbsup:

Lucky you. :p :laugh: I have the casstte and the crappy CD, but not the vinyl. I suppose I should try to find it one of these days.

[catinthedark]

Lucky you. :p :laugh: I have the casstte and the crappy CD, but not the vinyl. I suppose I should try to find it one of these days.

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[BombaySapphire3]

I always have loved 'Insider' from PUTPL surely one of her most chilling non FM moments ever ,but the duet with her and Henley on 'Hotel California' is running a close second right now.I wonder if that comment where Tom likens her to 'the odd sister that eveyone loves but no one really talks about' that he once made about La Nicks made the new book.

[blinker12]

Hey all,
By popular demand ;), I transcribed a few more sections of the book where Stevie comes up at any length and added them to my original post so they're all in one place. Also a discussion of Lindsey. This pretty much covers everything that's said about either.
I love that Tom and Stevie used to hang out at home, drinking and singing. How sweet. :p
I didn't realize the amount of love for "Insider" around here! I adore it, too; one of my favorites.

[amber]

Hey all,
By popular demand ;), I transcribed a few more sections of the book where Stevie comes up at any length and added them to my original post so they're all in one place. Also a discussion of Lindsey. This pretty much covers everything that's said about either.
I love that Tom and Stevie used to hang out at home, drinking and singing. How sweet. :p
I didn't realize the amount of love for "Insider" around here! I adore it, too; one of my favorites.
Thank you!!!
That's song's a frickin masterpiece, I tell you what. It's my self control. It will become my legacy. My quiet world of white and....
ooops.
Thanks again. :xoxo:

[David]

I heard one doesn't exist, no one's ever heard that there was one. :distress: I think the Petty fans have some of that stuff. The "Insider" & "Needles & Pins" on the Pack Up The Plantation album were recorded at the Forum in Los Angeles in September 1981. Stevie was a guest at about ten different Tom Petty concerts in 1981, & I think she sang "Insider" at several of them because it was part of his tour set since it was on the album that year. I think there's footage of some of those shows -- Irvine Meadows, the Forum, the Cow Palace, the Meadowlands, St. Petersburg, etc.

It would be great to see it surface. I think Stevie fans can "make" it surface -- they now have enough super-rare studio stuff with Tom & the Heartbreakers, thanks to the reel-to-reels. We need to have a summit meeting between the Stevie Nicks fans & the Heartbreaker fans.

[AliP]

I think the Petty fans have some of that stuff. The "Insider" & "Needles & Pins" on the Pack Up The Plantation album were recorded at the Forum in Los Angeles in September 1981. Stevie was a guest at about ten different Tom Petty concerts in 1981, & I think she sang "Insider" at several of them because it was part of his tour set since it was on the album that year. I think there's footage of some of those shows -- Irvine Meadows, the Forum, the Cow Palace, the Meadowlands, St. Petersburg, etc.

It would be great to see it surface. I think Stevie fans can "make" it surface -- they now have enough super-rare studio stuff with Tom & the Heartbreakers, thanks to the reel-to-reels. We need to have a summit meeting between the Stevie Nicks fans & the Heartbreaker fans.

Are you talking about audio recordings of these shows?? Cause I have a bootleg CD with all Stevie's performances with Tom on his 1981 tour. She sings Insider, Stop Draggin' and Woman in Love ( a few times).

As far as bootleg video of Stevie and Tom from his 1981 tour - I've never seen anything, and I'm always looking for Tom stuff.

[Kelly]

I love Insider and always have. It is just gorgeous and Stevie's harmonies.....oh my god. Incredible.
It is interesting to read that Tom wrote the song FOR Stevie because I have long wondered if she wasn't the Dark Angel in the song. As for who's "masterpiece" she is........hmm..... :angel: The lyrics are amazing.

[lagringader&r]

There's a new book coming out in November called "Conversations with Tom Petty," by Paul Zollo. I got an early copy at work.
Stevie comes up a few times, and I thought I'd transcribe the sections where she's discussed at any length. I never knew Tom made an attempt at producing her first record!
There's a small photo included of Tom and Stevie, from what appears to be the "Insider" video...

Q: A lot of people thought you crafted SDMHA to be a hit single for the two of you.
A: The song wasn't crafted for Stevie. If you hear the original on the boxed set, all they did was take that track and overdub Stevie onto it.

Q: Which is surprising because it seems like she is singing the melody but she is really singing harmony and you are singing the melody, right?
A: Yes, on the choruses I am. They put her in singing the verses. But in the choruses I'm really singing the melody and she is singing harmony.
Stevie came to me around '78. And she was this absolutely stoned-gone huge fan. And it was her mission in life that I should write her a song. And we were a little wary of Stevie. We didn't quite know whether to like Stevie or not, because we kind of saw this big corporate rock band, Fleetwood Mac, which was wrong, they were actually artistic people. But in those days, nobody trusted that sort of thing and we just kept thinking, 'What does she want from us?' And then, of course, she turned into one of my great, great friends forever. But Stevie was really adamant about me writing her a song.
And so I think that around late '78, she approached me about producing her first solo record. Now Stevie, there's a Cecil B. DeMille movie. This is a person that's larger than life in a hundred ways. And I loved her voice. I thought she sang great. And I said okay and I went down to the session to produce a record for her. I went down and I did one track and it was a completely different world from anything I had seen. Dealing with girls was a whole different thing and Stevie was in a whole different place than we were.

Q: Emotionally?
A: [Laughs] Every kind of way. She was very sweet and we liked her. But she had just a whole different kind of work ethic than we had, and there were a lot of people, a lot of hangers-on. The whole Elvis kind of theme of a big entourage. We'd never been a very big fan of that. And so after a track I went, 'Look, I can't do this. I don't have the time. I'm too busy and I don't think that I'm going to be a big help to you. But I know a guy who might be good for you named Jimmy Iovine.' And so, as time went by, and we hung out a bit, we got to know her more and more, she would come over to my house and just hang out and play records or whatever. And we'd sing a bit. We used to sit around and play the guitar and sing.

Q: Harmony?
A: Yeah, just anything.

Q: She's a great harmony singer.
A: She's incredible. We could make a pretty good sound, singing with the acoustic guitar. And so finally I wrote her this song called "Insider" and I brought it down and Jimmy just flipped over the song. He thought it was incredible. Really great, and I really liked it. I was really proud of it.

Q: Had you ever written a song for someone else?
A: No.

Q: Did you write it with her voice in mind?
A: Yeah. And I loved it. I thought it was one of my best songs to that point and I cut it there, just me and my guitar. And then Stevie sang it with me. And then we put the band on after. And by the time the track was coming to fruition with the band and everything, I was getting a little depressed about giving away this song. [Laughs]

Q: I understand you felt your single "A Woman in Love" would have done better if not for the duet for Stevie.
A: I'm sure of it. 'Cause they came out roughly the same time, and Stevie's record was huge. And so it was an awkward position for us because it was billed as Stevie Nicks with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers and a lot of the radio programmers didn't want to have two TP&H songs around the same period. Especially while one was getting this extreme amount of airplay. So it was a little awkward for us.

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More about "Insider":

Q: "Insider" is a cool title. Was that one you had before writing the song?
A: No. It came as I was writing, if I remember correctly. It just came out of the verse. I wrote that on my own at home. I remember spending a good day on it. And I was just knocked out with it when I got done. And Iovine was really knocked out with it. Extremely excited about it.

Q: Did you tell him it was for Stevie Nicks?
A: Yeah. He asked for a song. He was going to produce [Stevie's album, Bella Donna]. He wanted one desperately. I remember bringing it to him, and he said, 'God, when I asked for a song, I didn't expect this!' And I was really attached to it. And it really hurt me when I did the track and the vocals. And I said, [softly] 'Stevie, I can't give you this.' And she said, 'Well, I can relate to that. I completely understand. I'll take something else.'

Q: Was there any thought of making "Insider" a single?
A: No, they always wanted something more upbeat for singles. Very rarely did they put out a ballad for a single. I don't think ever. "Free Fallin'" was the first time, I think, that I ever had a ballad out for a single. And even then it was the third single from the album.

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"The Apartment Song" (from the Playback box set)

Q: The boxed set has a wonderful home demo of "The Apartment Song" with Stevie Nicks singing the harmonies.
A: [Stevie and I] used to do that from time to time, just sit around and sing. And sometimes run a tape recorder, and we'd play it back, have some drinks. She used to visit me quite often. Come over, and we'd always wind up singing. So I love to sing with Stevie.

Q: You recorded that song for Full Moon Fever. Was there the thought of bringing Stevie in to sing on it?
A: No. I think at that point, I wanted it to be solo. I had never really pictured it being a duet. But Stevie was there, and I showed her the song I'd written. And she liked it, and sang along on it. Probably only got recorded once.

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"Don't Come Around Here No More"

Tom: I met [Dave Stewart] in the Eighties. When music really turned to ****. People were trying to do something, but it was all these fakey keyboard sounds. A lot of prancing and posing. So Jimmy Iovine was looking for songs for Stevie Nicks. And he came to me. I said, 'I don't really have anything left over. I don't have anything I can give away.'
And he said, 'Well, you know I'm frustrated, I'm trying to find writers. Who do you think would be a good writer?' And Dave had just come out with that "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)," which I thought was a really good song. And then I heard one or two more that I thought were really good. I said, 'You should try this guy Dave Stewart. He's in England. I don't know him, but he seems consistent as a writer. He seems really good.' So the next thing I know, not many weeks later the phone rings, and it's Dave Stewart. And he says, 'Hey, I'm here, and Jimmy told me I got the gig from you. I've come over to write some stuff for Stevie and other people. And why don't you come down? Let's get together. I'd like to see you.'
[They wrote "Don't Come" in the studio, and they spent a month producing it.]

Q: I like the stops in it, where you sing the word, "Stop!"
A: That was [Dave's] idea. To go, 'Stop!' And we used girls, which was kind of an accident. Because when we started it, we were working at Sunset Sound, and Stevie had booked the time. And the girls that sing with her had turned up for the session, but Stevie had cancelled the session. So the girls were still there. Dave said, 'Let's get them out here and see what they can do.' And then they did that great bit. [Sings "Ah ah ah ooh ooh."] And then there's a girl named Stephanie who we brought in to sing that really high, wailing thing at the end.

(Note: I'm assuming Stephanie is NOT Stevie. ;) Also, there's no mention of the song being offered to Stevie.)

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Only mention of Lindsey, discussing "Walls":

Q: You have one version of it called "Walls (Circus)" with amazing vocal harmonies by Lindsey Buckingham.
A: He's amazing. He was kind enough to come down and sing that.

Q: Was it your idea to call him?
A: Yeah, yeah. I'm a big fan of Lindsey's. And I called him and was really knocked out that he came down and helped me with that. [Having two versions of the song] was Ed Burns' idea. He wanted one version of "Walls" to start the movie, and another arrangement to end the movie. So I did two different arrangements of it. And Lindsey's just amazing on that track.

Q: Did he come up with those harmonies?
A: Yeah, it was all him. He came down and did it all in one session. I kind of just sat back and watched him go. Just going, 'Yep--that's what I would've done!' [Laughs]

Q: It's cool you've worked with both Stevie Nicks and Lindsey.
A: Yeah. I worked with [Lindsey] again on The Last DJ. He sang on "The Man Who Loves Women."

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I don't see a single mention of "I Will Run to You," unfortunately; I love that song. He also doesn't mention Stevie's involvement in the Australia tour with Dylan, nor her live performances on "Pack Up the Plantation." So that's pretty much all, folks!

You rock! Thanks for transcribing all of that. Even though those are all the Stevie mentions, I might still get this book. Petty is fascinating. :nod:

[blinker12]

As for what the track is that Tom tried to produce for Stevie, I'm thinking maybe "Sanctuary." There are reels of that dating from 1980, and they feature a lot of banter between Tom and Stevie about how the song is written. (Tom's rather critical at points, lol.) It just sounds like Tom is "at the helm" on those sessions.

[David]

As for what the track is that Tom tried to produce for Stevie, I'm thinking maybe "Sanctuary." There are reels of that dating from 1980, and they feature a lot of banter between Tom and Stevie about how the song is written. (Tom's rather critical at points, lol.) It just sounds like Tom is "at the helm" on those sessions.Sanctuary's a possibility, as are The Dealer, Baby Doll, Starshine, Gypsy & Outside the Rain, all of which were Heartbreaker sessions (maybe in more ways than one).

[David]

Are you talking about audio recordings of these shows?Audio or video -- both would be great.
Cause I have a bootleg CD with all Stevie's performances with Tom on his 1981 tour. She sings Insider, Stop Draggin' and Woman in Love ( a few times).Except for the Pack Up The Plantation songs from L.A., all I have on tape of Stevie & Tom in 1981 is the Irvine Meadows show from September, audience-recorded, with Insider & Stop Dragging My Heart Around. She also did Stop Dragging in L.A., but they didn't include it on the Plantation album.
As far as bootleg video of Stevie and Tom from his 1981 tour - I've never seen anything, and I'm always looking for Tom stuff.Summit!! We have crystal-clear studio material of the Heartbreakers playing weird things like "I'll Be There" & "Keep Me Hanging On" & all sorts of bizarre stuff that the Tom Petty fans would probably kill for.

[PenguinHead]

Has anyone seen the Insider video? It looks like it was filmed at the same time as the video for Stop Draggin' My Heart Around. Same set. Same clothes. I like the understated approach they took.

[golden braid]

Has anyone seen the Insider video? It looks like it was filmed at the same time as the video for Stop Draggin' My Heart Around. Same set. Same clothes. I like the understated approach they took.
Both videos were filmed at the same time. I think Stevie looks so pretty in the Insider video. I love her hair. It has a little braid in it or something. It looks cute.

[catinthedark]

Both videos were filmed at the same time. I think Stevie looks so pretty in the Insider video. I love her hair. It has a little braid in it or something. It looks cute.

Me, too! I think this is my favourite period for Stevie. She looked pretty and feminine, but she was still rockin'. (Oh, which I guess would be a good description for today, too). :)

[amber]

Me, too! I think this is my favourite period for Stevie. She looked pretty and feminine, but she was still rockin'. (Oh, which I guess would be a good description for today, too). :)
I love it too, her hair that is. It's very long there, too. :) She looks breathtaking. (again! :laugh:)