New Bushism

[strandinthewind]

I was just listening to an excerpt from the Pres's speech in which he defended the treatment of prisoners at Guantanomo, saying we have to realize that these are people who "disassemble' -- then he paused and I wondered what could possbly follow--bombs, societies, security measures? --then he said "that means they don't tell the truth."

[dissention]

I was just listening to an excerpt from the Pres's speech in which he defended the treatment of prisoners at Guantanomo, saying we have to realize that these are people who "disassemble' -- then he paused and I wondered what could possbly follow--bombs, societies, security measures? --then he said "that means they don't tell the truth."

Did you hear that Cheney is "offended" over that report? :laugh:

They run a gulag, nothing more.

[strandinthewind]

Did you hear that Cheney is "offended" over that report? :laugh:

They run a gulag, nothing more.


I would not call it that because it is far more humane - do I have to haul out gulag stories like I did when you compared W to Hitler - ya know you are prone to embellishing and exaggerating :wavey:

But, back to the point, this is classic Rove/Cheney deny deny deny because most of America will believe it because they hate all Arabs. Sad - very true.

[dissention]

I would not call it that because it is far more humane - do I have to haul out gulag stories like I did when you compared W to Hitler - ya know you are prone to embellishing and exaggerating :wavey:

And you're prone to understating. We're evenly matched, I suppose. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

And you're prone to understating. We're evenly matched, I suppose. :wavey:


I usually haul out facts to demonstrate my points :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[amber]

You both are prone to taking something literally that was meant to be comparative, but not literal - meant to spice up the sentence with a little fun, not be a literal fact. :wavey: :laugh:
You've both done it billions of times... ;)

[strandinthewind]

You both are prone to taking something literally that was meant to be comparative, but not literal - meant to spice up the sentence with a little fun, not be a literal fact. :wavey: :laugh:
You've both done it billions of times... ;)


Who the hell asked you MISSY :p :p :p

[amber]

Who the hell asked you MISSY :p :p :p
Oh, I guess this is another one of those private conversations you guys like to have in the middle of chat? :D Sorreh! :wavey:
:xoxo:

[irishgrl]

Oh, I guess this is another one of those private conversations you guys like to have in the middle of chat? :D Sorreh! :wavey:
:xoxo:

*AHEM* I'd suggest recording somehow/somewhere EVERY argument you EVER have with dear old Jason because he attributes things to you you didnt say (as in thinking I liked the UN or something, or the time he thought I said W started the war in Iraq all by himself, when all I ever said was that W had an agenda before he ever got into the White house! :laugh: Its a sure bet HE has these things bookmarked and catalogued! :nod:

**but wait! I disassemble!** :D

[amber]

*AHEM* I'd suggest recording somehow/somewhere EVERY argument you EVER have with dear old Jason because he attributes things to you you didnt say (as in thinking I liked the UN or something, or the time he thought I said W started the war in Iraq all by himself, when all I ever said was that W had an agenda before he ever got into the White house! :laugh: Its a sure bet HE has these things bookmarked and catalogued! :nod:

**but wait! I disassemble!** :D
That may be a good plan, but of course I would never do that. I just like to take the occasional teasing poke at My Dear Mr. Jason, the occasional short argument to whatever he has posted, and move along. :) He's much too prone to whipping out enormous articles for me to really invest that much.... :laugh:

[The Tower]

He's much too prone to whipping out enormous............
:eek: :shocked: :eek: :shocked:

My mind was the Disneyland Autopia and it just went right down that track with no stopping. :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

:eek: :shocked: :eek: :shocked:

My mind was the Disneyland Autopia and it just went right down that track with no stopping. :laugh: :laugh:
:lol: Ah, I can always count on you, Towie. :woohoo:

[The Tower]

:lol: Ah, I can always count on you, Towie. :woohoo:
Or as Shirley said to Laverne, "You just rode that rubber raft right in to Filthtown, didn't you!?!?"

:thumbsup:

[amber]

Or as Shirley said to Laverne, "You just rode that rubber raft right in to Filthtown, didn't you!?!?"

:thumbsup:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
I can always count on Laverne and Shirl, too.

[SuzeQuze]

Or as Shirley said to Laverne, "You just rode that rubber raft right in to Filthtown, didn't you!?!?"

:thumbsup:

:lol: :laugh: :lol: That is the best! I'll go out on a limb here and say Amber intended for minds to go down that road. :D

And I agree with you Amber that a certain person, who I like and admire :), pulls things out of context and uses them to prove a middle of the road point. I prefer the extreme of being a liberal lefty loon. :thumbsup:

[irishgrl]

:lol: :laugh: :lol: That is the best! I'll go out on a limb here and say Amber intended for minds to go down that road. :D

And I agree with you Amber that a certain person, who I like and admire :), pulls things out of context and uses them to prove a middle of the road point. I prefer the extreme of being a liberal lefty loon. :thumbsup:

Im with you :blob2: much too difficult trying to be neutral all the time :]

but Amber, I seem to recall you enjoying an overlong article or three that I posted on Creationism/Darwinism not too long ago, so Jason isnt the only one who takes research seriously :nod:

[strandinthewind]

*AHEM* I'd suggest recording somehow/somewhere EVERY argument you EVER have with dear old Jason because he attributes things to you you didnt say (as in thinking I liked the UN or something, or the time he thought I said W started the war in Iraq all by himself, when all I ever said was that W had an agenda before he ever got into the White house! :laugh: Its a sure bet HE has these things bookmarked and catalogued! :nod:

**but wait! I disassemble!** :D


My friends shutter when I go "didn't you say like ten years ago that you . . . " :eek: I was HELL when I used to cross examine :laugh: and BTW - I fairly depicted what you said dear :nod:

[strandinthewind]

:lol: :laugh: :lol: That is the best! I'll go out on a limb here and say Amber intended for minds to go down that road. :D

And I agree with you Amber that a certain person, who I like and admire :), pulls things out of context and uses them to prove a middle of the road point. I prefer the extreme of being a liberal lefty loon. :thumbsup:

and you wear that loony hat well ;) :p :p :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

I would not call it that because it is far more humane - do I have to haul out gulag stories like I did when you compared W to Hitler - ya know you are prone to embellishing and exaggerating :wavey:With all due respect to everyone, I can't help but recall Lux's comment recently that they are one in the same, basically. She seems to believe that what's going on is far more severe than you do, so I'd like to see the two of you debate that. I honestly didn't know what to say when she said our country was 'involved in a scheme to take over the world' or something similar to that.

[SuzeQuze]

With all due respect to everyone, I can't help but recall Lux's comment recently that they are one in the same, basically. She seems to believe that what's going on is far more severe than you do, so I'd like to see the two of you debate that. I honestly didn't know what to say when she said our country was 'involved in a scheme to take over the world' or something similar to that.

Go to amazon.com and check out Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

[strandinthewind]

With all due respect to everyone, I can't help but recall Lux's comment recently that they are one in the same, basically. She seems to believe that what's going on is far more severe than you do, so I'd like to see the two of you debate that. I honestly didn't know what to say when she said our country was 'involved in a scheme to take over the world' or something similar to that.


Well, here is a def of a Russian gulag from http://www.answers.com/topic/gulag :

Gulag, system of forced-labor prison camps in the USSR, from the Russian acronym [GULag] for the Main Directorate of Corrective Labor Camps, a department of the Soviet secret police (originally the Cheka; subsequently the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD, and finally the KGB). The Gulag was first established under Vladimir Lenin during the early Bolshevik years (c.1920). The vast penal network, which ultimately included 476 camp complexes, functioned throughout Russia, many in the wastes of Siberia and the Soviet Far East. The system reached its peak after 1928 under Joseph Stalin, who used it to maintain the Soviet state by keeping its populace in a state of terror. Gulag deaths of both political prisoners and common criminals from overwork, starvation, and other forms of maltreatment are estimated to have been in the millions during Stalin's years in power.

Perhaps the best known of the Gulag camp complexes was Kolyma, an area in the Far East about six times the size of France that contained more than 100 camps. About three million are thought to have died there from its establishment in 1931 to 1953, the year of Stalin's death. The Gulag scheme was adapted into the infamous concentration camp system used during World War II, especially as Nazi death factories. The Soviet system was publicized in the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, particularly in his book The Gulag Archipelago (1973, tr. 1974). Millions were released from the Gulag under Nikita Khrushchev, and the system was finally abolished by Mikhail Gorbachev.

Bibliography

See A. Shifrin, The First Guidebook to Prisons and Concentration Camps of the Soviet Union (tr. 1980), A. Applebaum, Gulag: A History (2003).
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The chief difference is in this sentence Gulag deaths of both political prisoners and common criminals from overwork, starvation, and other forms of maltreatment are estimated to have been in the millions during Stalin's years in power. Last I checked, that was not happening in any way at Gitmo, which we have one of compared to the system of hundreds in Russia. Thus, Gitmo is FAR from a Russian Gulag.

Here are some more articles:

http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/applebaum.html

http://www.orwelltoday.com/gulagbook.shtml

http://www.paulmitchinson.com/gulag.html

To be clear - I think what is happening at Gitmo is horrible. I think the US should be the "bigger party" and grant all of these people the rights the Geneva Convention grants enemy soldiers captured in battle, though many if not most of those captured do not qualify for that status as it is defined in the Geneva Convention because they were not fighting in a uniform, under the color of a state, etc., as required by the express language of the Geneva Convention. So, please do not mistake my saying that what goes on at Gitmo is not as severe as what happened in a Russian Gulag as saying I approve of Gitmo in any way.

I hope that helped.

In the end, I think it does people no good to make such patently false comparisons because to do so belies the credibility of any serious argument and shows the side making the argument is interested only in tading insults instead of sticking to the facts, which are really all that interest me in such debates.

[SuzeQuze]

Im with you :blob2: much too difficult trying to be neutral all the time :]

but Amber, I seem to recall you enjoying an overlong article or three that I posted on Creationism/Darwinism not too long ago, so Jason isnt the only one who takes research seriously :nod:

Hmm, I never would have guessed you were with me on that. ;) Well, it is who I am. I yam what I yam. :D

[amber]

Im with you :blob2: much too difficult trying to be neutral all the time :]

but Amber, I seem to recall you enjoying an overlong article or three that I posted on Creationism/Darwinism not too long ago, so Jason isnt the only one who takes research seriously :nod:
Yes, I did happen to read and enjoy that one. Yes, you are another article prone one... ;) And I'm far from neutral, but I rarely have lengthy articles at my disposal...in fact, I think I'm even more liberal than y'all! :cool:

[GateandGarden]

Yes, I see your point but I think that Lux was implying that there are worse atrocities happening (led by the U.S.) that we do not yet know about and won't know until it's too late.

But I see your point that assumptions are worth far less than facts, and I'm guessing that was an assumption on her part.

I don't know. I hate putting words in her mouth. I kind of wanted you two to get it on. ( :laugh: ) I was going to sit back and watch. :eek:

EDIT: This was directed at Jason. I realized it may not have been clear.

[amber]

In the end, I think it does people no good to make such patently false comparisons because to do so belies the credibility of any serious argument and shows the side making the argument is interested only in tading insults instead of sticking to the facts, which are really all that interest me in such debates.
Oh, it does not always do that. Connotative comparisons are what bring the English language alive!!! I wouldn't recommend doing it in more serious academic writings, or whatever, but I think it often helps underscore the connotations of your point. :cool:
P.S.
Nannynannybooboo!!!:sticks out tongue: :laugh: :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

Oh, it does not always do that. Connotative comparisons are what bring the English language alive!!! I wouldn't recommend doing it in more serious academic writings, or whatever, but I think it often helps underscore the connotations of your point. :cool:
P.S.
Nannynannybooboo!!!:sticks out tongue: :laugh: :xoxo:


Well, I agree it can be funny, but sometimes when in a serious conv., which we have had around here, it is unwarranted. Having said that, Dissention is the same as Mussolini - though he he is not bald - and Lux is his Eva Braun :] :]

[amber]

Well, I agree it can be funny, but sometimes when in a serious conv., which we have had around here, it is unwarranted. Having said that, Dissention is the same as Mussolini - though he he is not bald - and Lux is his Eva Braun :] :]
:lol:
I see your point, but I think the comparison to a Gulag, while not technically perfectly correct, was apropos, and a good use of comparisons. :cool: Sorry, that's just what I think!!! Darnit!
Plus, on another note, I like when serious discussions are peppered with jokes, it helps me pay attention and stay interested.... :p

[strandinthewind]

. . . but I think the comparison to a Gulag, while not technically perfectly correct, was apropos, and a good use of comparisons . . . .

Actually it is far from factually accurate in any way and, therefore, inappropriate :wavey: I mean the Russians used the some of the people in the Gulag's as slave labor to build their Communist society's infrastructure. That is just no happening at Gitmo.

[amber]

Actually it is far from accurate and inappropriate :wavey:
Alright, alright. :rolleyes: The common connotation of the Gulag worked for me. But I will take your point. Guess where I will put it??? :laugh: Now where's that damn Margarita I ordered!!!?

[strandinthewind]

Alright, alright. :rolleyes: The common connotation of the Gulag worked for me. But I will take your point. Guess where I will put it??? :laugh: Now where's that damn Margarita I ordered!!!?


No shiite - I would LOVE to have one now - but have to wait for the weekend :mad:

[amber]

No shiite - I would LOVE to have one now - but have to wait for the weekend :mad:
Good boy!!! I just jump roped, and would love one. I have to wait till I have more than 89 cents! :laugh: Look how good we are, though? :angel: For very different reasons.... :p

[strandinthewind]

Good boy!!! I just jump roped, and would love one. I have to wait till I have more than 89 cents! :laugh: Look how good we are, though? :angel: For very different reasons.... :p

Well, not really, I just paid my American Express bill, which was, quite frankly, an outrage :eek: and I have an onsalught of bills until July 1 that will keep me on the straight and narrow for awhile - damnitalltohell :laugh:

[amber]

Well, not really, I just paid my American Express bill, which was, quite frankly, an outrage :eek: and I have an onsalught of bills until July 1 that will keep me on the straight and narrow for awhile - damnitalltohell :laugh:
I hope this isn't some horrible conspiracy to get us to quit drinking!!! :mad: :lol: Yeah, my landlord had a fierce May 31st deadline for me. :distress: That's funny, I'll be on the straight and narrow till at least then, as well!!! Hey, maybe we'll be thinner and look better because of it! Maybe it will be a whole new lease on life! Or maybe we'll just keep bitching like we are now!.... :lol:

[GateandGarden]

Is no one going to respond to my post? I guess I should throw in the towel and quit trying to be funny. *sighs*

[SuzeQuze]

Well, not really, I just paid my American Express bill, which was, quite frankly, an outrage :eek: and I have an onsalught of bills until July 1 that will keep me on the straight and narrow for awhile - damnitalltohell :laugh:

:lol: My friend used to call that American Depressed. My ex called it American Distress. :lol: That card is the devil. Okay, not really, I was just never so good with the pay it all off right away bit. Which I wish weren't the case. I'm happy right now to finally be caught up, for the most part. Stevie had me in hock for a while!

Also, I would totally be in on the margs but I had drinks yesterday, wine to be specific, Kendall Jackson pinot noir to be more specific, yes it was yummy, so today I am detoxing. :) Hehe. Plus, I went to the gym which keeps me motivated to eat well afterward. After all that work I don't want to cancel it out! Or do I? :laugh: No! No dammit! :D I had my Dove promises and some green tea and that was pretty yummy and good for me. Yay.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Is no one going to respond to my post? I guess I should throw in the towel and quit trying to be funny. *sighs*


Mission: Completed.


Good Job Ledgies! Great Teamwork! :woohoo:

[amber]

:lol: My friend used to call that American Depressed. My ex called it American Distress. :lol: That card is the devil. Okay, not really, I was just never so good with the pay it all off right away bit. Which I wish weren't the case. I'm happy right now to finally be caught up, for the most part. Stevie had me in hock for a while!

Also, I would totally be in on the margs but I had drinks yesterday, wine to be specific, Kendall Jackson pinot noir to be more specific, yes it was yummy, so today I am detoxing. :) Hehe. Plus, I went to the gym which keeps me motivated to eat well afterward. After all that work I don't want to cancel it out! Or do I? :laugh: No! No dammit! :D I had my Dove promises and some green tea and that was pretty yummy and good for me. Yay.
Way to go, Suze!!!!
Look at it this way, at least you guys have american expresses... :lol:
I've been doing good with excercise as well. :woohoo: But, I'm on the all corndog diet again this week. :distress: (16 corndogs for 3.99!!! Wow!! :laugh: )
keep up the good work!

[GateandGarden]

Mission: Completed.


Good Job Ledgies! Great Teamwork! :woohoo::p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[amber]

Is no one going to respond to my post? I guess I should throw in the towel and quit trying to be funny. *sighs*
I'm sorry, i didn't really see it! Oh, and by the way, welcome to my world. :rolleyes:
sorry! :xoxo:

Mission: Completed.


Good Job Ledgies! Great Teamwork

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

Way to go, Suze!!!!
Look at it this way, at least you guys have american expresses... :lol:
I've been doing good with excercise as well. :woohoo: But, I'm on the all corndog diet again this week. :distress: (16 corndogs for 3.99!!! Wow!! :laugh: )
keep up the good work!

Thank you :xoxo: You too. The jumping rope thing is impressive cuz it's really hard. I don't do it. Hehe. But I loved it as a kid, sometimes people do it at the gym but I would be too self conscious. Today it was the elliptical trainer and then my weights.

Speaking of, do you weight train at all and, if so, how many sets do you do? I only do two because I read somewhere that was all that was really necessary. But now I don't remember where I got that and I'm thinking of going up to 3.

[strandinthewind]

Is no one going to respond to my post? I guess I should throw in the towel and quit trying to be funny. *sighs*


I did answer it :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Way to go, Suze!!!!
Look at it this way, at least you guys have american expresses... :lol:
I've been doing good with excercise as well. :woohoo: But, I'm on the all corndog diet again this week. :distress: (16 corndogs for 3.99!!! Wow!! :laugh: )
keep up the good work!


I LOVE Corndogs - LOVE THEM I SAY :D :D

[GateandGarden]

Oh, and by the way, welcome to my world. :rolleyes: :laugh::laugh: At least I'm in good company. :)

[GateandGarden]

I did answer it :shrug:Actually you didn't--http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=319717&postcount=24

But it doesn't matter! I was just being whiny. :cool:

[strandinthewind]

:lol: My friend used to call that American Depressed. My ex called it American Distress. :lol: That card is the devil. Okay, not really, I was just never so good with the pay it all off right away bit. Which I wish weren't the case. I'm happy right now to finally be caught up, for the most part. Stevie had me in hock for a while! . . .

I actually am carrying a little credit card debt right now. I should get a wad o cash in July that will help me a great deal. I do not like to touch my savings and like to put some away every month. Well, the latter aint gonna happen until the end of the Summer. My prob. was I travelled a great deal in the first half of this year and I paid for my Summer travel last month. So, that was a hefty bill to swallow :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Actually you didn't--http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=319717&postcount=24

But it doesn't matter! I was just being whiny. :cool:


LOL - WHINER :p :p :p

[amber]

Thank you :xoxo: You too. The jumping rope thing is impressive cuz it's really hard. I don't do it. Hehe. But I loved it as a kid, sometimes people do it at the gym but I would be too self conscious. Today it was the elliptical trainer and then my weights.

Speaking of, do you weight train at all and, if so, how many sets do you do? I only do two because I read somewhere that was all that was really necessary. But now I don't remember where I got that and I'm thinking of going up to 3.
Yeah, I prefer the gym, but...you know...jumprope is hard on my ankles, I've been alternating it with hourlong bike rides into the berkeley hills (puff, puff, wheeze)
Heck yeah, I weight train. Two sets it probably fine, providing your weights are heavy enough. You need some fairly good resistance, none of that "just for toning" lightweight thing. At least that's what I've gleaned from my studies. Of course, 3 will burn that many more calories, but 2 is fine. You didn't look like you were prone to being bulky, to me, though, so if I were you I might go ahead and do three, when you feel like you can.
Miss skinny jeans! :woohoo: :thumbsup:

[amber]

Actually you didn't--http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=319717&postcount=24

But it doesn't matter! I was just being whiny. :cool:
I'm sorry, I totally understand. Lots of times it hurts my little feelings when people don't answer me, either. :nod: :xoxo: Don't worry about it. :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

I'm sorry, i didn't really see it! Oh, and by the way, welcome to my world. :rolleyes:
sorry! :xoxo:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Question.

When you :lol: :lol: :lol:, do you really laugh or just trying to make us think we are funny?

Just a random thought.

[amber]

I actually am carrying a little credit card debt right now. I should get a wad o cash in July that will help me a great deal. I do not like to touch my savings and like to put some away every month. Well, the latter aint gonna happen until the end of the Summer. My prob. was I travelled a great deal in the first half of this year and I paid for my Summer travel last month. So, that was a hefty bill to swallow :laugh:
Okay, now you're making me a tiny bit sick.... :lol: :mad: :lol: I literally have 89 cents.... :lol: :xoxo: just teasing you.
No big, cause I sing for the things, that money can't buy.... :cool: :cool: I'm gonna have to, aren't I? :laugh:

[amber]

Question.

When you :lol: :lol: :lol:, do you really laugh or just trying to make us think we are funny?

Just a random thought.
well, sometimes I really laugh like that. Lots, actually. I never do it to make someone think they are funny. Well, maybe once in a very, very great while. And if I didn't laugh out loud, I usually still think it is incredibly clever. usually I really laugh, though. :wavey:

[GateandGarden]

Question.

When you :lol: :lol: :lol:, do you really laugh or just trying to make us think we are funny?

Just a random thought.When I use those, I laugh but my head doesn't actually bounce up and down like that.

[SuzeQuze]

Yeah, I prefer the gym, but...you know...jumprope is hard on my ankles, I've been alternating it with hourlong bike rides into the berkeley hills (puff, puff, wheeze)
Heck yeah, I weight train. Two sets it probably fine, providing your weights are heavy enough. You need some fairly good resistance, none of that "just for toning" lightweight thing. At least that's what I've gleaned from my studies. Of course, 3 will burn that many more calories, but 2 is fine. You didn't look like you were prone to being bulky, to me, though, so if I were you I might go ahead and do three, when you feel like you can.
Miss skinny jeans! :woohoo: :thumbsup:

Thank you :D I tried on size 10 at the Gap too and they fit. So it's for real, and I've admitted my size, but a 10 seems tiny to me now, when it used to seem so big. Anyway, I didn't like the "distressed" jeans, they fit perfectly but the washed out parts accentuate everything a woman doesn't want to accentuate. :lol:

Thanks for the info on the sets. I figured too if I did 2 that I would be more likely to stick with my routine and less likely to quit, which has been going well. 3 just seems so overwhelming. :eek:

[GateandGarden]

I'm sorry, I totally understand. Lots of times it hurts my little feelings when people don't answer me, either. :nod: :xoxo: Don't worry about it. :)Thanks. :xoxo:

[amber]

Thank you :D I tried on size 10 at the Gap too and they fit. So it's for real, and I've admitted my size, but a 10 seems tiny to me now, when it used to seem so big. Anyway, I didn't like the "distressed" jeans, they fit perfectly but the washed out parts accentuate everything a woman doesn't want to accentuate. :lol:

Thanks for the info on the sets. I figured too if I did 2 that I would be more likely to stick with my routine and less likely to quit, which has been going well. 3 just seems so overwhelming. :eek:
Wow, you looked smaller than that when I saw you, but that is great. I would think you were...an 8?
Anyway, just make sure your weights are heavy enough.

[SuzeQuze]

When I use those, I laugh but my head doesn't actually bounce up and down like that.

:lol: Yes I really did laugh too.

[amber]

When I use those, I laugh but my head doesn't actually bounce up and down like that.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
(yes, I really laughed out loud)

[GateandGarden]

Thank you :D I tried on size 10 at the Gap too and they fit. So it's for real, and I've admitted my size, but a 10 seems tiny to me now, when it used to seem so big.Wow, 10? That's a great size. You go girl!

I wear a 16/18, proudly. :thumbsup:

[ontheEdgeof17]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
(yes, I really laughed out loud)


Poking fun at my questions! Pfttt.....

Now everyone's going to :laugh: and then type "I really did".

[amber]

Poking fun at my questions! Pfttt.....

Now everyone's going to :laugh: and then type "I really did".
I wasn't poking fun. Just clarifying, cause now maybe people will think I don't really laugh when I use those, and I just couldn't stand that. *snick*
God, I hope people don't do that. Maybe you should delete that question.... :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Poking fun at my questions! Pfttt.....

Now everyone's going to :laugh: and then type "I really did".What's better is to say that I really did this. :]

[strandinthewind]

What's better is to say that I really did this. :]



I think Amber has actually seen me do that IN PUBLIC :eek:

[ontheEdgeof17]

What's better is to say that I really did this. :]



That's better than the blobs.

A-bouncy-bounce :blob1:

[GateandGarden]

I think Amber has actually seen me do that IN PUBLIC :eek::laugh::laugh:

Note: I am really laughing. :cool:

[amber]

I think Amber has actually seen me do that IN PUBLIC :eek:
:lol: :laugh:
That's right. It was cute. And, Curtis is right, at least you didn't look like this :blob2: :cool:

[SuzeQuze]

Wow, you looked smaller than that when I saw you, but that is great. I would think you were...an 8?
Anyway, just make sure your weights are heavy enough.

This is the advantage of being a pear shape, you look smaller because you are smaller on top. :cool: :laugh:

[irishgrl]

and BTW - I fairly depicted what you said dear :nod:

No Jason you didnt! All I said was (again) W had an agenda before he ever got to the White House, that he had two main objectives: eliminate any traces of Clinton or his policies, and two: get Saddam Hussein. W had scores to settle.
THAT is what I said, not that W started the war in Iraq all by himself. (although I still think he was prepared to go into Iraq whether we had any other allies or not, and to the rest of the world he appeared to be acting unilaterally--with the exception of Britain) I never had any opinion on the UN being a partial cause and I dont believe I made any comment on your assertion that it was. Therefore, your previous statement years ago that the UN was partly to blame is NOT the reason I hate the UN now.

[strandinthewind]

No Jason you didnt! All I said was (again) W had an agenda before he ever got to the White House, that he had two main objectives: eliminate any traces of Clinton or his policies, and two: get Saddam Hussein. W had scores to settle.
THAT is what I said, not that W started the war in Iraq all by himself. (although I still think he was prepared to go into Iraq whether we had any other allies or not, and to the rest of the world he appeared to be acting unilaterally--with the exception of Britain) I never had any opinion on the UN being a partial cause and I dont believe I made any comment on your assertion that it was. Therefore, your previous statement years ago that the UN was partly to blame is NOT the reason I hate the UN now.


No - I did fairly depict what you said, which you are now spinning - but who the hell cares anyway - I do not anymore.

[irishgrl]

No - I did fairly depict what you said, which you are now spinning - but who the hell cares anyway - I do not anymore.
FYI: I dont engage in spin. If you'll go back and research the thread you are referring to, you'll see I repeated my original comments here. It amazes me that you would trot out the "spin" card when all I am doing is reminding you of what I DID say. You may have me confused with another poster? Alternatively, you may have indeed made the UN comments but I can tell you that at no time did I ever refute them because I have no info on the UN involvement in the Iraq war, nor did I ever.

[strandinthewind]

FYI: I dont engage in spin. If you'll go back and research the thread you are referring to, you'll see I repeated my original comments here. It amazes me that you would trot out the "spin" card when all I am doing is reminding you of what I DID say. You may have me confused with another poster? Alternatively, you may have indeed made the UN comments but I can tell you that at no time did I ever refute them because I have no info on the UN involvement in the Iraq war, nor did I ever.


Didn't I just say I do not care anymore - Ms. Spinmeister :wavey:

[irishgrl]

Didn't I just say I do not care anymore - Ms. Spinmeister :wavey:

Jason, you have yet to prove anything, from your first comment to your last.

and I do NOT engage in spin. Im glad you dont care, but when someone accuses me of something I havent done, I DO care. :distress:

btw: I dont want hard feelings, I remain open to honest dialogue... :angel:

[strandinthewind]

Jason, you have yet to prove anything, from your first comment to your last.

and I do NOT engage in spin. Im glad you dont care, but when someone accuses me of something I havent done, I DO care. :distress:

btw: I dont want hard feelings, I remain open to honest dialogue... :angel:


Spinmiester :p :p :p :p

[irishgrl]

Spinmiester :p :p :p :p

whatever :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

whatever :shrug:


Lord have mercy and bless your heart - do you ever lighten up :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

I remember it differently and those threads are all gone now - they were way before the ones on this topic that still remain here. So, no one can prove anything. So, I no longer care. Yet, you continue to beat a dead horse. Fine - I am wrong and you are right - you never spin anything and are Mother Theresa incarnate. Feel better :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

Lord have mercy and bless your heart - do you ever lighten up :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

I remember it differently and those threads are all gone now - they were way before the ones on this topic that still remain here. So, no one can prove anything. So, I no longer care. Yet, you continue to beat a dead horse. Fine - I am wrong and you are right - you never spin anything and are Mother Theresa incarnate. Feel better :rolleyes:

Can't you just admit you might be wrong without the sarcasm even if you are convinced you are right? Remember it is better to be loved than to be right. :D :xoxo:

BTW, do you ever stop being a lawyer "no one can prove anything"? Geez Louise!!! :lol: Sorry, my nose is in where it doesn't belong but I couldn't help myself here. [/exitnose]

[strandinthewind]

Can't you just admit you might be wrong without the sarcasm even if you are convinced you are right? Remember it is better to be loved than to be right. :D :xoxo:

BTW, do you ever stop being a lawyer "no one can prove anything"? Geez Louise!!! :lol: Sorry, my nose is in where it doesn't belong but I couldn't help myself here. [/exitnose]


all noses welcome - but isn't it ironic that you do not ask Mary "Can't you just admit you might be wrong" :wavey:

AND - the only reason I mentioned proof is she mentioned it first when she said "Jason, you have yet to prove anything, from your first comment to your last." So, once again, I think you should ask her that same question :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

all noses welcome - but isn't it ironic that you do not ask Mary "Can't you just admit you might be wrong" :wavey:

AND - the only reason I mentioned proof is she mentioned it first when she said "Jason, you have yet to prove anything, from your first comment to your last." So, once again, I think you should ask her that same question :wavey:

I know I could do that, but I was asking you. I guess you can't. Question answered! :lol:

[strandinthewind]

I know I could do that, but I was asking you. I guess you can't. Question answered! :lol:

I admitted I was wrong and she was right :shrug: I restate it herein and for the record:

I misquoted Mary. I was wrong.

[chiliD]

Well, here is a def of a Russian gulag from http://www.answers.com/topic/gulag :

Gulag, system of forced-labor prison camps in the USSR, from the Russian acronym [GULag] for the Main Directorate of Corrective Labor Camps, a department of the Soviet secret police (originally the Cheka; subsequently the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD, and finally the KGB). The Gulag was first established under Vladimir Lenin during the early Bolshevik years (c.1920). The vast penal network, which ultimately included 476 camp complexes, functioned throughout Russia, many in the wastes of Siberia and the Soviet Far East. The system reached its peak after 1928 under Joseph Stalin, who used it to maintain the Soviet state by keeping its populace in a state of terror. Gulag deaths of both political prisoners and common criminals from overwork, starvation, and other forms of maltreatment are estimated to have been in the millions during Stalin's years in power.

Perhaps the best known of the Gulag camp complexes was Kolyma, an area in the Far East about six times the size of France that contained more than 100 camps. About three million are thought to have died there from its establishment in 1931 to 1953, the year of Stalin's death. The Gulag scheme was adapted into the infamous concentration camp system used during World War II, especially as Nazi death factories. The Soviet system was publicized in the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, particularly in his book The Gulag Archipelago (1973, tr. 1974). Millions were released from the Gulag under Nikita Khrushchev, and the system was finally abolished by Mikhail Gorbachev.

Bibliography

See A. Shifrin, The First Guidebook to Prisons and Concentration Camps of the Soviet Union (tr. 1980), A. Applebaum, Gulag: A History (2003).



Getting close to what could happen in the US under the guise of the "Patriot Act".

[SuzeQuze]

I admitted I was wrong and she was right :shrug: I restate it herein and for the record:

I misquoted Mary. I was wrong.

Sorry, I shouldn't have stuck my nose in. :sorry:

[strandinthewind]

Sorry, I shouldn't have stuck my nose in. :sorry:

No it was fine and in that last one I was being tongue in cheek about the restatement - I am not aggravated or anything like that. I just did not understand what you were saying and wasnted to clarify what I said and why I said it :angel: :angel: :angel: I love your comments darlin' :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

No it was fine and in that last one I was being tongue in cheek about the restatement - I am not aggravated or anything like that. I just did not understand what you were saying and wasnted to clarify what I said and why I said it :angel: :angel: :angel: I love your comments darlin' :wavey:

It's a limitation of this medium that I can't express what I am trying to. Thanks for being so gracious. I'm trying to express how sometimes it is better to leave someone with "you are probably right" just because there's always that possibility and why hold onto something so tightly? That is all.

[strandinthewind]

It's a limitation of this medium that I can't express what I am trying to. Thanks for being so gracious. I'm trying to express how sometimes it is better to leave someone with "you are probably right" just because there's always that possibility and why hold onto something so tightly? That is all.

I think you do a fine job young lady :D

As an aside, Mary and I go waaaayyyyyyy back with this kind of bickering and believe me she can give as good as I can, even better at times (puff puff) :laugh: In the end, Mary and I mostly agree on things big though - as do you and I - the biggest being W is to me a bumbling jerk and needs not to be our President. But, Lord Child - you should have seen the time I told her she was wrong :eek: Hell hath no fury :laugh:

WE LOVE YOU MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GateandGarden]

OMG! Jason, your new Bushism was on "The Daily Show" tonight! They played a video of it and Jon said that "disassemble" was what we did to Iraq.

[strandinthewind]

Seeeeeeeeeeeee :laugh: