Greg!

[dissention]

I just read that the Spice Girls are back together. :laugh: They're going to play at Live Aid II in London this summer.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I just read that the Spice Girls are back together. :laugh: They're going to play at Live Aid II in London this summer.

Greg can't answer your post right now...he's too busy whoring himself out for money to get to London :laugh: I'd actually like to see them (but i'll so deny I said it later :shocked: )

[ontheEdgeof17]

YAYZ!

Viva Forever!


Greg, need a plane and concert partner? I'm da man for da job.

[ryan8472]

I didn't even know there was another Live Aid happening. Do you know who else will play?

[dissention]

I didn't even know there was another Live Aid happening. Do you know who else will play?

Robbie Williams, Elton John, U2 (*gag*), Joss Stone (*double gag*), Coldplay, Oasis, and The Who. A few others, too, I'm sure.

[GateandGarden]

Is this including Geri? 'Cause they're nothing without Geri. :cool:

[dissention]

Is this including Geri? 'Cause they're nothing without Geri. :cool:

Yes, with Geri.

[GateandGarden]

Yes, with Geri.Well, that's something. I mean, they still can't sing but they're no worse than those Backstreet Boys and they actually made a comeback. :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well, that's something. I mean, they still can't sing but they're no worse than those Backstreet Boys and they actually made a comeback. :laugh:


:shrug: :( :shrug:

I like both of these groups. You should thank them for leading us out of the grunge era.......

....but that lead into the TRL era. (Which is still better to me)

[dissention]

:shrug: :( :shrug:

I like both of these groups. You should thank them for leading us out of the grunge era.......

....but that lead into the TRL era. (Which is still better to me)

Fech, grunge was over by '96, thankfully. Flannel shirts are a crime against humanity.

[amber]

Fech, grunge was over by '96, thankfully. Flannel shirts are a crime against humanity.
:xoxo: to my brother in grunge hate.
And, BTW, I think the spice girls are nothing without...scary spice. Mel.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Fech, grunge was over by '96, thankfully.


Exactly....when these groups emerged.

Wow. That was a long time ago.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Flannel shirts are a crime against humanity.

:xoxo: thanks for that - I feel redeemed and vindicated because I have been saying that for years. I mean on a farm - maybe. At SFA :eek:

[dissention]

Exactly....when these groups emerged.

Wow. That was a long time ago.

Backstreet Boys ain't that old!

[ontheEdgeof17]

Backstreet Boys ain't that old!

Just about. They been together almost 9 years. :eek:

[dissention]

:xoxo: to my brother in grunge hate.
And, BTW, I think the spice girls are nothing without...scary spice. Mel.

:xoxo: thanks for that - I feel redeemed and vindicated because I have been saying that for years. I mean on a farm - maybe. At SFA :eek:

Flannel shirts make me see stars and vomit. I mean, they are just so fugly that even the words fugly or whoreanus are understatements when applied to them. You know you're in the presence of someone who must dress in the dark if they're wearing one of those bastards.

And the music is just as wretched. I fail to see the big whoop-de-doo over Kurt Cobain. His music was obnoxious to the Nth degree.

[strandinthewind]

Flannel shirts make me see stars and vomit. I mean, they are just so fugly that even the words fugly or whoreanus are understatements when applied to them. You know you're in the presence of someone who must dress in the dark if they're wearing one of those bastards.

And the music is just as wretched. I fail to see the big whoop-de-doo over Kurt Cobain. His music was obnoxious to the Nth degree.
I like some of it. I also thought the band with the bee girl deserved to be exhalted just for that brilliance :laugh:

[dissention]

Just about. They been together almost 9 years. :eek:

That has a dirty connotation to it. :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

That has a dirty connotation to it. :laugh:


Just Howie and Kevin ;)

[strandinthewind]

That has a dirty connotation to it. :laugh:


In fact, they never really separated :eek: - just been walking together for all those years :laugh: :wavey:

[diamondsnake]

Spice Girls back together... Yippeee!!!! I'm actually being serious here. There has been no good music on the charts in a real long time and I think one of their fun songs would be pretty refreshing right now.

[amber]

Flannel shirts make me see stars and vomit. I mean, they are just so fugly that even the words fugly or whoreanus are understatements when applied to them. You know you're in the presence of someone who must dress in the dark if they're wearing one of those bastards.

And the music is just as wretched. I fail to see the big whoop-de-doo over Kurt Cobain. His music was obnoxious to the Nth degree.
I "did" the clothes for a minute, until I realized I looked ugly... :laugh: Never, ever, ever, did I "do" the music, though. That's the time when I first turned heavily to Mac. Unfortunately the "new" purchases that started that out was "Timespace" and "Street Angel"... :shocked:

[SuzeQuze]

Well I loved grunge and my boyfriend and I would crank it and drive and drive and it was cool. After a few years though I was so ready for it to be over, you can only stay depressed for so long! After C killed himself I wouldn't listen to Nirvana at all anymore, I was so pissed off at him for being so selfish. I still won't put in the CDs and usually change the channel if I hear them. Can't do it.

I figured the backlash to grunge would be shiny happy music which was cool in some regards (No Doubt) and not as cool in others (Spice Girls - even though some of their stuff is pretty fun).

[WizNicks]

Just about. They been together almost 9 years. :eek:
Way longer! I have been to a concert in January 1996 and at that time they already had their debut album and like 4 singles released here! (I was 10 at that time, does that count as an excuse?)
I wonder when the Spice Girls break up again?

[GateandGarden]

:shrug: :( :shrug:

I like both of these groups. You should thank them for leading us out of the grunge era.......

....but that lead into the TRL era. (Which is still better to me)I don't like grunge either but I have this thing about groups/artists with no vocal/songwriting skills. None of those people can carry a tune in a bucket and whenever I think about that I get all angry (just like I do when I think of Britney) because those people got money for no talent and there are so many talented singers who aren't rolling in it like they are. Like I said in another thread, I'd like to give all of Britney's money to Mikki because she's SO much more talented.

It's one of those things in life I take too seriously, which is almost everything. :laugh: Of course, I had the Spice Girls' first two CDs and the Backstreet Boys' second two. I wasn't immune to the appeal of either group at the time. I liked the catchy tunes but now I can't take the lack of talent.

[/end pointless rant]

[GateandGarden]

After C killed himself I wouldn't listen to Nirvana at all anymore, I was so pissed off at him for being so selfish. I still won't put in the CDs and usually change the channel if I hear them. Can't do it.One of my students (a Nirvana fanatic) wrote a very convincing paper arguing that Courtney Love hired someone to kill Cobain and that he never intended to kill himself. I guess y'all will think I'm crazy for even suggesting it, but all I know about the situation is what I read in her paper, basically. :shrug:

I figured the backlash to grunge would be shiny happy music which was cool in some regards (No Doubt) and not as cool in others (Spice Girls - even though some of their stuff is pretty fun).I have to agree with you, though I think No Doubt leaned toward the grunge a bit to a degree near the beginning (definitely more so than the Spice Girls, which isn't hard :laugh: ), especially in Beacon Street Collection. Whatever the case, Gwen could outsing and write better than all of them.

[SuzeQuze]

One of my students (a Nirvana fanatic) wrote a very convincing paper arguing that Courtney Love hired someone to kill Cobain and that he never intended to kill himself. I guess y'all will think I'm crazy for even suggesting it, but all I know about the situation is what I read in her paper, basically. :shrug:



Well, I've never read much about the theory of his murder because it just seemed preposterous. I think Courtney was too much of a mess to think about life without him. I'm sure she felt she needed him. But I'm researching that stuff a bit right now.

Courtney's surgery has started to look heinous. She had a few things done at first that improved her appearance a lot. It was a good job. But she has since also gone too far. :distress: She has trout pout and her nose is too narrow. Her face is off balance now.

[dissention]

Awww, my own thread. I feel all verklempt. :')

Anyway. This news is SO last week, Diss. :rolleyes: Get with the times, dude. <3 I first heard it was going to be in Vegas, so I got super excited. But I've always been up for a trip to London... ;) I'm amped for this because they put on awesome shows - especially when you're in the fifth row :laugh:

Well, pardon me, your highness. I've yet to recover from Geri's cover of "It's Raining Men" for Bridget Jones, so you'll just have to take it easy on me this time. ;)

For some strange reason, I giggle at the thought of you flying halfway around the world to see the Spice Girls. :laugh: Are they coming out with a new album or anything?

[SteveMacD]

:shrug: :( :shrug:

I like both of these groups. You should thank them for leading us out of the grunge era.......

....but that lead into the TRL era. (Which is still better to me)
See, I'm more of the ilk that wants to flip 'em the bird for that. Love it or hate it, at least the grunge artists actually wrote all of their own material AND played their own instruments! Nirvana especially gave rock a much needed kick in the ass. But, I live in Dayton, which is home to one of the big groups of the grunge/alternative era, the Breeders. I graduated from high school in 1993 and started college a few months later, so this musical movement was really all the more significant for me. Good times. BTW, the movement was ending more like in 1994, with the onset of Sheryl Crowe, Hootie & The Blowfish, and Dave Matthews, to name a few, and with the death of Kurt Cobain. But, honestly, by 1995 I really stopped paying attention to popular music altogether.

[amber]

AND played their own instruments!
I would use the phrase "played instruments" in only the very, very, loosest sense. :wavey:

[SteveMacD]

One of my students (a Nirvana fanatic) wrote a very convincing paper arguing that Courtney Love hired someone to kill Cobain and that he never intended to kill himself. I guess y'all will think I'm crazy for even suggesting it, but all I know about the situation is what I read in her paper, basically. :shrug:
I've heard that theory, so I don't think you're crazy. My only problem is that Kurt had been playing chicken with death for a few months before he died. He O.D.ed a few times and had even gone into a coma once during a Hole tour. Plus, look at the lyrics. "When I swear that I don't have a gun, no I don't have a gun" or "He's the one who writes all are pretty songs and he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun." In the end, there were signs. I wasn't surprised when it happened, though I was shocked.

[SteveMacD]

I would use the phrase "played instruments" in only the very, very, loosest sense. :wavey:
You would :p

[SuzeQuze]

I've heard that theory, so I don't think you're crazy. My only problem is that Kurt had been playing chicken with death for a few months before he died. He O.D.ed a few times and had even gone into a coma once during a Hole tour. Plus, look at the lyrics. "When I swear that I don't have a gun, no I don't have a gun" or "He's the one who writes all are pretty songs and he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun." In the end, there were signs. I wasn't surprised when it happened, though I was shocked.

Well, I just did some research on this and apparently there were no fingerprints found on the shotgun he killed himself with, which would be pretty impossible. He had taken a dose of heroin 3x the amount of a lethal dose which would have rendered him unconscious within seconds. He also had a valium type drug in his system. Also, the scene was neat as a pin and his hair appeared to have been combed (heresay). The PI that was hired by Courtney to find Kurt when he escaped rehab is still investigating his death because he is so convinced it was fishy. Also, when this PI told the police of evidence they should follow up on (was Kurt's hair combed? was there any residue on his hands?) they said case closed it's a suicide end of story without following up. So I can see why people are so fascinated by all of this. Even if he did commit suicide and that seemed obvious investigators should have scrutinized every piece of evidence, right? So the jury is still out IMO.

It's all here http://www.justiceforkurt.com/

http://www.justiceforkurt.com/images/index_singing.jpg

[GateandGarden]

But, honestly, by 1995 I really stopped paying attention to popular music altogether.That's kind of how I feel. I guess I don't really care that much who brings us out of what era and how much better the new era is and all. I quit paying a whole lot of attention to popular music around 2000. It's been a bit of a slow process. There got to be fewer and fewer artists who were on VH-1 and MTV that I genuinely cared about. Right now I think there's one or two.

[GateandGarden]

Oh, and I meant to say thanks for the link, Suze.

[SteveMacD]

Man, if it's found that Courtney DID kill him, am I the only one who will be creeped out by "Gold Dust Woman," especially during "The Dance" video?

[dissention]

He had taken a dose of heroin 3x the amount of a lethal dose which would have rendered him unconscious within seconds. He also had a valium type drug in his system.

That's what I always found suspicious, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Courtney did it.

Or maybe I'm just saying that because I like Hole. :laugh:

[dissention]

Officially? Around 2002. A lot of people say they jumped the shark when Geri left, but they put out an album in November of 2001 (Election Day, actually). It's.. different, but I like it.

Now for a timeline. Awww, I'm a geek. :woohoo:

The ad in the newspaper was placed in 1994. That's when they had all the auditions (which are hilarious, I might add). Out of everyone who came, five girls were picked: Geri, Melanie C, Melanie B, Victoria, and Michelle Stephenson. They would form a band called Touch.

Michelle leaves to either pursue her education or because her mum had cancer -- I've heard both and I'm not sure which is more accurate.

Emma gets called in, and they all move into a house together in England to become a more coherent group as opposed to five girls from five different walks of life. They practiced there, ate there, slept there, fought there, etc. There are a good amount of demos that may or may not be from this era of the band. Sooo crazy. They weren't yet a "unit" at this point, all the girls were still doing their own thing, but you could see where they were headed.

They have a few shows for some record companies, and Simon Fuller ends up signing them to Virgin. In 1996, they change their name to the Spice Girls (I think it was Geri's idea -- it came out of an exercise routine, I think. They were going to call themselves "Spice" but there was a rapper in America called "Spice One" or something, so they went for "The Spice Girls").

In July of 1996, they release "Wannabe," and everyone goes crazy, etc. A magazine gives them the Scary/Baby/Ginger (Sexy)/Posh nicknames and they stick with it. "Say You'll Be There" is released, and in late 1996 "Spice," the debut album, is released. It was apparently the 13th highest-selling album of all time in England at some point! Woot. :woohoo:

In 1997, "Who Do You Think You Are" and "Mama" are released as a double A-side to benefit Comic Relief.

They do a few shows here & there, most notably one in Istanbul (advertised as their first concert). It was a Pay-Per-View thing and ended up being played on Fox Family ALL THE TIME. It was also released on VHS. Mmm, VHS. They did songs from "Spice," some new ones from "Spice World," and some b-sides. It was glorious.

So in autumn of 1997, they released the first single from "Spice World," "Spice Up Your Life." I remember it being a big deal on MTV at the time. The second/Christmas single was "Too Much," which had a really neat video. All the girls acted as a character in a film.. Victoria was Catwoman, Geri was Ilsa from Casablanca, Melanie B was Mad Max, Emma was that girl from Poltergeist, and Melanie C was in some Chinese film. :shrug: Later, the video would have an alternate version with clips from Spice World, the Spice Girls movie.

"Spice World" (the album) was released toward the end of 1997 and ended up at #3. Aww, The Dance. It didn't sell quite as well as "Spice" had, but it's an awesome album. /personal opinion.

So they do the movie and all. That was a pretty big deal in England. I remember seeing it in theaters. Heee. That was fun.

A little after they released "Stop" as a single and in the middle of their tour in 1998, Geri stops showing up with the girls on TV shows. She says it's because of a "blazing row" or because of a stomach illness. Whatever, Geri. What apparently happened was Melanie B got in a fight with Geri and Geri just left. The statement is released in June of 1998 and MTV shows a bunch of Spice Girls clips and stuff. Geri finishes the statement with "I'll be back!"

The Spice Girls release their final single from "Spice World" called "Viva Forever," which is totally their best song ever. It was the last video of theirs to have Geri in it, although she's in doll form (the girls don't show up in the video aside from little fairy dolls made of tin. it's really pretty, actually). The video is only shown in the States as part of a VH1 special on the American tour. The girls go on tour without Geri and they rearrange their routine to fill in for Geri's vocals. A VHS of the tour was released (Live At Wembley) and a documentary about their stay in America is released (Spice Girls In America: A Tour Story).

After the tour, they cool it down a bit. By this time, a couple of the girls had experimented with solo stuff, namely Melanie C. As a foursome, they released "Goodbye" in 1998, which would end up on their 2001 album (and as yet final) "Forever." No Geri in the song, no Geri in the video. Instead, we got a pregnant Victoria and Melanie B.

So everyone goes solo. Melanie C releases "Northern Star," Melanie B releases "Hot," Emma releases "A Girl Like Me," and I'm not sure if Victoria released anything here or if it was a little later. Geri released her debut solo album, "Schizophonic" in 2001. Geri also writes an autobiography called If Only, which is actually a pretty good read.

In 2001, the girls get back together and go for a more urban, soulful sound. The demos from this era are AMAZING, and what we got was sort of bland. It's still decent, though. So "Forever" is released. "Holler" is on it, which was released as a double A-side with "Let Love Lead The Way." It didn't do so hot over here, but it did okay in England. Worldwide, though, it's considered a flop. Awrrr. <3

So the girls end it. Boooo. They all do more solo stuff, some get TV shows, Victoria becomes a baby factory, Melanie B gets divorced from her husband (she was Melanie G for a while), Emma... I don't really know what she did, since she's not my favorite. Geri was all over the place. Melanie C releases "Reason" and most recently "Beautiful Intentions." Geri releases "Scream If You Wanna Go Faster" and most recently "Passion." She writes ANOTHER autobiography (an "update") called Just For The Record.

Melanie B does some broadway work as Mimi in Rent in New York and she's working on her solo album right now. She wrote an autobiography called Catch A Fire.

Victoria's just weird. She has an album out (maybe two, I don't care). She wrote an autobiography. Etc.

Emma released "Free Me" a while ago. Fun album. She's apprently going to play Emma Frost in XMen 4! Fun times.

As of right now, there are talks of a Greatest Hits album, but they've been talking about that for ages. A while ago, there were rumours of a foruth album (there was even a tracklisting) and a ton of demos surfaced, like "Walking On Air" and "Do You Think About Me" as well as a couple from Touch and stuff. So the GH package might be the driving force behind this.

And now you know... the rest of the story. :wavey:

Ho****. Did you write that, sweetie? :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

That's what I always found suspicious, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Courtney did it.

Or maybe I'm just saying that because I like Hole. :laugh:

I do too. And the name of their album was "Live through this" and the song was pleading. She just seems too vulnerable to have that kind of intent.

There is also a rebuttal on that site pointing out that, although Kurt had 3x the lethal dose, there is such a thing as tolerance. This allows a regular user of a substance to ingest much larger quantities while remaining conscious than a new user could. I didn't actually read the whole rebuttal though.

[strandinthewind]

All this grunge hate! It wasn't the greatest era of music but I'm glad I squeezed into the last generation to have worthy musicial icons. Since grunge died there's been nothing in the mainstream music that the masses can follow with a conscience, in my opinion. The last slightly original popular music. And so what if they weren't masters of their instruments? As a whole they were probably better than the punk scene in that sense. I don't think music is just about being a speedy guitarist, but then you have the other extreme which is modern popular music that lacks not only great (any) musicians but originality, progression and a basic good sound. I show you my middle finger and put on some Pearl Jam.


I have to agree. I liked the grunge era, though some of it was to racaus (sp.?) for me. I also thought their videos marked a clear transition to really almost film noiresq. tidbits like the bee girl. Now and really since then and with few excpetions, it is all pre fab crap designed to produce one or two records and then see ya.

[Sapphire Girl]

They have a few shows for some record companies, and Simon Fuller ends up signing them to Virgin.
Would this be the same Simon Fuller who created American Idol?
A magazine gives them the Scary/Baby/Ginger (Sexy)/Posh nicknames
There was also Sporty (Melanie C.)

[hayley]

-_-. I hate myself for forgetting about her. She's my fayyybriiiitttt.
Aww, don't hate yourself, Emo (http://www.dobi.nu/emo/) Boy. (http://www.fourfa.com/)

[Merf]

Aww, don't hate yourself, Emo (http://www.dobi.nu/emo/) Boy. (http://www.fourfa.com/)

Help me, Hayley! He tastes like emo sadness! :shocked:

Greg, that's the second manifesto of Spice I've read from you. Have you ever considered going into journalism? I could totally see you working for Rolling Stone or something.

[SteveMacD]

Don't knock emo. I used to be in an emo-esq band. Actually, we were Emobilly. (j/k)

[SteveMacD]

All this grunge hate! It wasn't the greatest era of music but I'm glad I squeezed into the last generation to have worthy musicial icons. Since grunge died there's been nothing in the mainstream music that the masses can follow with a conscience, in my opinion.
Sheryl Crow :shrug: I was iffy about her until I heard her duet with Emmylou Harris on the Flying Burrito Bros. song "Juanita" on the Gram Parsons tribute album. After that, I knew she was the real deal.

[chiliD]

After C killed himself...


Kurt Cobain didn't commit suicide...he was murdered. It was a "hit for hire"...Courtney had him offed.

[amber]

All this grunge hate! It wasn't the greatest era of music but I'm glad I squeezed into the last generation to have worthy musicial icons. Since grunge died there's been nothing in the mainstream music that the masses can follow with a conscience, in my opinion. The last slightly original popular music. And so what if they weren't masters of their instruments? As a whole they were probably better than the punk scene in that sense. I don't think music is just about being a speedy guitarist, but then you have the other extreme which is modern popular music that lacks not only great (any) musicians but originality, progression and a basic good sound. I show you my middle finger and put on some Pearl Jam.
You can make a great intellectual case for grunge all you want, until the cows come home, in fact. I still won't like the way it sounds. :wavey: Good points you have there, though, I'm sure. :woohoo:

[hayley]

Help me, Hayley! He tastes like emo sadness! :shocked:
Here, this should help:

http://www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/200769.jpg

[SteveMacD]

Help me, Hayley! He tastes like emo sadness! :shocked:
Mmmmm...Emo sadness...

http://www.macdesktops.com/Previews/BC01HomerPreview240.jpg