My Opinion on this Vegas Arguement

[kato]

Now I am kinda new here and I know this has been beat to death but here is my take on the Vegas shows,if anyone cares.

Back when this was first announced Stevie made a few statements about how the show was going to be,we all know what she said.
So the shows have came and went and there are mixed reactions.
The set was not much different.
She didn't take the mic out.(big deal)
The Shirts sucked.(agreed)
These are some of the arguements going on here.
Oh and some critic wasn't totally blown away as if we care.
On the plane ride over myself and some of the "real" fans were discussing how we think the show will go.
We all came to the conclusion that there would be a few surprises but not the entire set rearranged,which is what happened.
Guess what,we all loved the show and all had a great time.
There seem to be some people here that have a HUGE problem with the set list.Get over it.It's her show and she is gonna do what she wants.
So it wasn't to much different.She looked and sounded great.What do want to do? Have her shot?
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
I don't know many people here but it seems that all the negativity is coming from people who are not the real fans just trouble makers who have nothing better to do than come on a message board and steam others up.
That's all I got to say about that,and whoever doesn't like it,tough ****.

[Janet]

The last thread was closed for a reason. Please let it go. Thanks:)

[GateandGarden]

It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?"Well, that's a woman's right, they say." :nod:

Seriously though, thanks for telling us what you thought of it.

[High Priestess]

Now I am kinda new here and I know this has been beat to death but here is my take on the Vegas shows,if anyone cares.

Back when this was first announced Stevie made a few statements about how the show was going to be,we all know what she said.
So the shows have came and went and there are mixed reactions.
The set was not much different.
She didn't take the mic out.(big deal)
The Shirts sucked.(agreed)
These are some of the arguements going on here.
Oh and some critic wasn't totally blown away as if we care.
On the plane ride over myself and some of the "real" fans were discussing how we think the show will go.
We all came to the conclusion that there would be a few surprises but not the entire set rearranged,which is what happened.
Guess what,we all loved the show and all had a great time.
There seem to be some people here that have a HUGE problem with the set list.Get over it.It's her show and she is gonna do what she wants.
So it wasn't to much different.She looked and sounded great.What do want to do? Have her shot?
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
I don't know many people here but it seems that all the negativity is coming from people who are not the real fans just trouble makers who have nothing better to do than come on a message board and steam others up.
That's all I got to say about that,and whoever doesn't like it,tough ****.
Thank GOD..we live in a country where we are free to speak our truth just as you just did..DO NOT make the mistake of condeming others for expressing theirs! Thanks! :p

[kato]

The last thread was closed for a reason. Please let it go. Thanks:)
Sorry I didn' realize this,feel free to delete it if you wish.

[kato]

Not condeming anyone,I should have put this in the original post but if you are fans why **** all over her?

[Janet]

No I won't delete this...

It is a wonderful thing to share opinions, but there are ways to do it. Some people just seem to want to share their feelings as rashly as they know how to push buttons.

Whatever, I just don't want the personal attacks to keep happening that is all.

[kato]

No personal attacks,that's kid stuff.
It's just puzzling to me that people that are fans would come on here and raise such a **** storm.

[AliceLover]

I was one of the idiots here Tuesday night at 12 o clock at night when i had to be in school the next morning. Was I disappointed? yes. Was I completeley let down? no. After hearing If Anyone Falls I feel that this made the show for me and I am quite happy with it. Yes beauty and the beast was great, but i like IAF more.


Overall, I thought these were great shows and im happy to see a favorite of mine be performed :)

[kato]

"How Still My Love" did it for me.

[dissention]

It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?

That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"

[GateandGarden]

That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"Are you delirious? :laugh:

[CreepingDeath]

That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"

Alright. How the hell did Whitney get in here?

[ontheEdgeof17]

Alright. How the hell did Whitney get in here?


Bobby punched her so hard it knocked her out of the Crack Chat into here. :shrug:

[dissention]

Are you delirious? :laugh:


NO! It's not like I smoke crack. Crack is cheap. Crack is too cheap for me. I'm too good for crack. Because crack is whack.

[glitter_fades]

NO! It's not like I smoke crack. Crack is cheap. Crack is too cheap for me. I'm too good for crack. Because crack is whack.

Didn't she say that after swiping some weed out of Stevie's purse at Diva's Las Vegas? :lol:

[Livia]

That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"

Was that your monologue in drama class? Brilliant! :laugh:

[dissention]

Didn't she say that after swiping some weed out of Stevie's purse at Diva's Las Vegas? :lol:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

Was that your monologue in drama class? Brilliant! :laugh:

Honey, I do the best Whitney in the world. No one compares to me. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Was that your monologue in drama class? Brilliant! :laugh::lol::lol:

[eyemakeupdark]

NOW I know Well I was wrong to listen to the jim ladd interview
If i had my trip to live over I would never Dream I still wish u gone and i will hire back up dancers !


difference of opinion is good
chronic whining is not but no one is on these that much anyway and if it was nt for the debates between ledge Z All we would be left with is banal narratives on how so and so checked in to their hotel and ate 3 steaks before going to the concert and then went to margaritaville etc etc etc

[Janet]

The difference of opinion between High Priestess and the other ledgies was not the reason the thread was closed. It would be nice if we all loved Stevie no matter what, but we all have different opinions which are welcome.

The problem came with personal attacks. We really don't want anyone personally attacking anyone else. These boards should be a place we feel "safe" and no one should be singled out and "attacked".

Also, when threads are started just to start trouble, it's best to close them and forget it before anything really verbal starts. There is arguing and there are unecessary verbal attacks and fighting.

Threads are closed very rarely and we try always to keep them open...

Hopefully it won't happen again for a very long time!:)

[amber]

Bobby punched her so hard it knocked her out of the Crack Chat into here. :shrug:
:lol: :laugh: :lol:
"Crack Chat! You bet we're up all night!"
I've mentioned I love you, right? :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I'm sorry I wasn't around earlier today, to intervene... but I thank Janet for handling matters.

Just to reiterate... slandering and defaming other Ledgies will NOT be tolerated. Neither will personal feuds.

As always, those who don't want to follow our rules and guidelines are free to leave. But if you stay and continue causing trouble, it'll no longer be your choice to leave.
It's as easy as that.

[Kelly]

Hi Kato! How are you? We will look for you in Philly...where are you sitting? Riss and I have second row..but hopefully we will be standing.
I totally agree with everything you have said. I felt sorry for Stevie yesterday reading what some of her "fans" had to say about her. This stuff filters back to her eventually, perhaps that was the intent..to inform Stevie she was a miserable disappointment? I loved the show and do not need stupid boas or video clips to make me happy. She did not give me crumbs....she gave me joy.

[High Priestess]

Kato
No one is causing a "****storm"...
I have had much support on this subject here and on other sites that many felt letdown. We are simply pointing out her inacuracies in what she claimed to be presenting.I thought we were seeing something new..exciting and never seen before as she claimed in several Pre Show Interviews..so yes many who took of work..paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see this REHASH are not pleased. We have the right as fans to express our opinions.We do not all have to agree that she was wonderful in this particular Venue! I have received so much mail of support too..from fans that were there!

[High Priestess]

OR - Maybe Stevie just might learn something from this..Wow..Imagine that?

[High Priestess]

I'm sorry I wasn't around earlier today, to intervene... but I thank Janet for handling matters.

Just to reiterate... slandering and defaming other Ledgies will NOT be tolerated. Neither will personal feuds.

As always, those who don't want to follow our rules and guidelines are free to leave. But if you stay and continue causing trouble, it'll no longer be your choice to leave.
It's as easy as that.
Johnny
Yes it got a bit out of hand.
It is important that both sides of the Vegas debate are presented.
I do LOVE Stevie! But..I feel letdown by the show..that's all.
It is hard not to respond to childish nonesense and baiting.
We are not all as fans required to agree she is wonderful 100% of the time!

[SuzeQuze]

Kato
No one is causing a "****storm"...
I have had much support on this subject here and on other sites that many felt letdown. We are simply pointing out her inacuracies in what she claimed to be presenting.I thought we were seeing something new..exciting and never seen before as she claimed in several Pre Show Interviews..so yes many who took of work..paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see this REHASH are not pleased. We have the right as fans to express our opinions.We do not all have to agree that she was wonderful in this particular Venue! I have received so much mail of support too..from fans that were there!

Yes, a lot of people do have that opinion. But to call it a "REHASH" is overstating things. There was footage behind Stevie which we've never seen before, she did use a couple of new and some old clothing on stage, she did pull out some old songs (3) that she hasn't done in a long time, that I have never seen live. You are exaggerating your case. Did the show live up to the hype in the Jim Ladd interview? No. I think everyone agrees with you on that. Is Stevie a "liar"? I don't think so! As someone else stated, she's a bit flaky (I mean that in a loving way :) ) and she can get excited and get ahead of herself, in a kind of child like way. Her dream of the show and the reality of what she could accomplish just didn't match up. However, I had one of the best times in my life going to those 2 shows. She was on fire and performed better than I've ever seen her perform. That's all that matters to me.

[High Priestess]

NOW I know Well I was wrong to listen to the jim ladd interview
If i had my trip to live over I would never Dream I still wish u gone and i will hire back up dancers !


difference of opinion is good
chronic whining is not but no one is on these that much anyway and if it was nt for the debates between ledge Z All we would be left with is banal narratives on how so and so checked in to their hotel and ate 3 steaks before going to the concert and then went to margaritaville etc etc etc
I agree..Thank you for listening to the Jim Ladd Interview..she gave many more in Vegas that week saying the same & more..
Just creating a healthy reality check!

[High Priestess]

Yes, a lot of people do have that opinion. But to call it a "REHASH" is overstating things. There was footage behind Stevie which we've never seen before, she did use a couple of new and some old clothing on stage, she did pull out some old songs (3) that she hasn't done in a long time, that I have never seen live. You are exaggerating your case. Did the show live up to the hype in the Jim Ladd interview? No. I think everyone agrees with you on that. Is Stevie a "liar"? I don't think so! As someone else stated, she's a bit flaky (I mean that in a loving way :) ) and she can get excited and get ahead of herself, in a kind of child like way. Her dream of the show and the reality of what she could accomplish just didn't match up. However, I had one of the best times in my life going to those 2 shows. She was on fire and performed better than I've ever seen her perform. That's all that matters to me.
Suze
I agree that the show had some merit..I never said it didn't. But thank you
for supporting my point. It went beyond the Jim Ladd Interview..she gave many more in Vegas too proceeding the opening.Again..I love & support Stevie.I agree she does get caught up in her visions.. :nod:

[skcin]

Kato
No one is causing a "****storm"...
I have had much support on this subject here and on other sites that many felt letdown. We are simply pointing out her inacuracies in what she claimed to be presenting.I thought we were seeing something new..exciting and never seen before as she claimed in several Pre Show Interviews..so yes many who took of work..paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see this REHASH are not pleased. We have the right as fans to express our opinions.We do not all have to agree that she was wonderful in this particular Venue! I have received so much mail of support too..from fans that were there!

Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

It's one thing to state your opinion in an intelligent, thought-out, well written manner. It's quite another to scream at people through every single post (you do know that typing IN ALL CAPS is considered poor netiquette since it implies that you are screaming the words you type, don't you?) and disregard others' opinions completely. You have been ranting about "freedom of speech" but you don't want to hear it if someone has a difference of opinion? :shrug:

Also - yes, Amber & Jill were offended by your screaming posts and they may have responded in a way that you perceived as inappropriate, but claiming that a person neglects their children or is an "ignorant slut" is way over the line. Flipping the bird is one thing - slandering a person's reputation is quite another.

I don't know why you became so enraged that people were offended by what they perceived as your rude & agressive posts - what did you expect? :shrug: I don't really care if you didn't like the show - you have the right to your opinions. What I don't appreciate is you name-calling & putting people down for having a different opinion than you.

Johnny
Yes it got a bit out of hand.
It is important that both sides of the Vegas debate are presented.
I do LOVE Stevie! But..I feel letdown by the show..that's all.
It is hard not to respond to childish nonesense and baiting.
We are not all as fans required to agree she is wonderful 100% of the time!

If you had written a post such as what you just wrote above, maybe it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. You did NOT merely say "I love Stevie, but I felt let down by the show."

You did, however, yell about how Stevie "promised" us something and how "we deserved better." I don't recall Stevie promising anything - and I also read/heard the interviews, as you did.) And the "I always tell the truth" and "I just want to set the record straight?" Those are your opinions, feelings, thoughts. NOT fact, NOT truth. Nobody here said that their positive review was "the truth" - they just wanted to express how they felt about the shows.

And since this is a free country & we are all allowed to express our opinions (sound familiar?), then you must understand that that goes for everyone, whether you agree with them or not. A person is not lying, or trying to cover up the truth, or sugar-coating anything just because they had a great time & thought it was a great show & told us about it here - that's their opinion. I've read all reviews - good and bad. I like to read what others think, whether I agree with them or not :nod: .

I don't want to argue with people (you included, High Priestess.) I come here to chat, have fun, express my opinions, get info about Stevie & Mac. I have enough stress in my life without worrying about this place :rolleyes: .

Love you guys! :xoxo:

[cliffdweller]

Is Stevie a "liar"? I don't think so! As someone else stated, she's a bit flaky (I mean that in a loving way :) ) and she can get excited and get ahead of herself, in a kind of child like way. Her dream of the show and the reality of what she could accomplish just didn't match up.

...and she never promised specific things like, "I'm definitely gonna do this song, and I'm definitely going to put this footage up on the screen, etc.." From the Ladd interview, I got the general impression that she was going to do songs that she hadn't done in a while, which she did. I think if anyone was under the false impression that she was gonna sing songs she's never sung before live, then that's a bit of one's own delusion. I mean, do you really think that's gonna happen for the Vegas crowd?? And Stevie's inclination to play it safe with her setlists is another clue that that wasn't gonna happen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Ladd interview she was just throwing out suggestions of what she might sing not necessarily what she was definitely singing. From the pictures, her outfits were GORGEOUS!! What more could you ask for there? And the footage, well, she did mention some things she wanted to show, but she never promised anything 100%. I guess you just have to know that with Stevie, nothing's ever certain but what is certain is that she's going to play it safe doing things and singing songs that she feels comfortable with. I don't know...I just think everyone was expecting too much, Stevie's never gonna go out on a limb, I think we should all just get used to that. Just $.02 from someone who wished she could've gone :angel:.

[GateandGarden]

It is hard not to respond to childish nonesense and baiting.You know, that's true. That's why people like Amber and Jill responded to your posts.

I have no problems with your opinion of the show. None whatsoever. It just baffles me how you don't see how you've baited and yelled at people with all-caps and such and that caused a "****storm," as kato said. Also, your insistence that we're all bootlegging scumbags was so disturbing to a poster in another thread that the poster is now loath to post on The Ledge.

[Rickypt]

This all really boils down quite simply. Some were disappointed in the show, sounds like the majority thought it was great. Some had the time of their lives. I think the setlist was crap, others are just fine with it. I will never know why Stevie wastes her encore with the Petty song, others think it "rocks".

I get the sense that some people are furious that not everyone sees it their way, either positive of negative. And that's what is leading to these really dumb flame wars.

However, no one denies that Stevie looked and sounded great. If I were Stevie, that's what I'd want to know from my fans. She knows she can't please everyone with her setlist, but if they can all go away saying that she looked and sounded great...sounds like a great success to me.

[BTFLCHLD]

some of the wording stevie used reminded me of perhaps a vegas bobbytrendy-type employee bolstering her appearance prior to the show.."this show will be fabbbulous...like nothing you've ever done before!" id repeat that statement too...especially since it's true ;)

her vegas show is/was something stevie wants/wanted to do...
IMO more power to her...and i pray everything is/was as she wished.

bottom line...IMO...stevie didn't/doesn't ever disappoint me...
no matter the song...no matter the venue...no matter...what?

:wavey: rockon

[strandinthewind]

BTFLCHLD

You sig. video is waaaayyyyyyy cool!

[BTFLCHLD]

BTFLCHLD You sig. video is waaaayyyyyyy cool! :cool: thanks! :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

It's one thing to state your opinion in an intelligent, thought-out, well written manner. It's quite another to scream at people through every single post (you do know that typing IN ALL CAPS is considered poor netiquette since it implies that you are screaming the words you type, don't you?) and disregard others' opinions completely. You have been ranting about "freedom of speech" but you don't want to hear it if someone has a difference of opinion? :shrug:

Also - yes, Amber & Jill were offended by your screaming posts and they may have responded in a way that you perceived as inappropriate, but claiming that a person neglects their children or is an "ignorant slut" is way over the line. Flipping the bird is one thing - slandering a person's reputation is quite another.

I don't know why you became so enraged that people were offended by what they perceived as your rude & agressive posts - what did you expect? :shrug: I don't really care if you didn't like the show - you have the right to your opinions. What I don't appreciate is you name-calling & putting people down for having a different opinion than you.



If you had written a post such as what you just wrote above, maybe it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. You did NOT merely say "I love Stevie, but I felt let down by the show."

You did, however, yell about how Stevie "promised" us something and how "we deserved better." I don't recall Stevie promising anything - and I also read/heard the interviews, as you did.) And the "I always tell the truth" and "I just want to set the record straight?" Those are your opinions, feelings, thoughts. NOT fact, NOT truth. Nobody here said that their positive review was "the truth" - they just wanted to express how they felt about the shows.

And since this is a free country & we are all allowed to express our opinions (sound familiar?), then you must understand that that goes for everyone, whether you agree with them or not. A person is not lying, or trying to cover up the truth, or sugar-coating anything just because they had a great time & thought it was a great show & told us about it here - that's their opinion. I've read all reviews - good and bad. I like to read what others think, whether I agree with them or not :nod: .

I don't want to argue with people (you included, High Priestess.) I come here to chat, have fun, express my opinions, get info about Stevie & Mac. I have enough stress in my life without worrying about this place :rolleyes: .

Love you guys! :xoxo:

What a great post, Paula. :) You rock! :nod: :xoxo:

[SuzeQuze]

BTFLCHLD

You sig. video is waaaayyyyyyy cool!

Agreed! That was definitely new since I have never seen Stevie sing from inside the blue lamp before! :D Love it!

[skcin]

What a great post, Paula. :) You rock! :nod: :xoxo:


Your new title is sexy cool sweet bitch. :xoxo:

[PenguinHead]

Not condeming anyone,I should have put this in the original post but if you are fans why **** all over her?

You can love someone -- but not love everything they do or the choices they make.

There is nothing wrong with having a critical analysis among fans.

Accusing us of "****ting all over her" is inflammatory and misguided.

Fans are hyper-informed to all aspects of her career. As such, our frustrations arise from our expections.

[GODDESS6]

What a great post, Paula. :) You rock! :nod: :xoxo:
she does rock, gr8 post paula!!!~

[dissention]

Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

Christ, yes. I want to erase the word "Vegas" from the English language at this point.

[dissention]

some of the wording stevie used reminded me of perhaps a vegas bobbytrendy-type employee bolstering her appearance prior to the show.."this show will be fabbbulous...like nothing you've ever done before!" id repeat that statement too...especially since it's true ;)

LUUUUUUXXXXXXUUUURRRRRRRRIIIIIOOOOOOUUUUUSSSSSS.

[GateandGarden]

Christ, yes. I want to erase the word "Vegas" from the English language at this point.:laugh::lol::laugh:

Aw, now you know you're jealous. ;)

[dissention]

Not condeming anyone,I should have put this in the original post but if you are fans why **** all over her?

Because the plumbing in my apartment sucks.

[SapphireSister]

Because the plumbing in my apartment sucks.

Or how about "Don't eat where you ****".

[amber]

Christ, yes. I want to erase the word "Vegas" from the English language at this point.
I feel your pain, in a way, that's just how I feel about the words "Star Wars" :wavey:
I just don't care, okay? I don't want to see them, alright?!

[GateandGarden]

I feel your pain, in a way, that's just how I feel about the words "Star Wars" :wavey:
I just don't care, okay? I don't want to see them, alright?!Yeah, that's how I feel about them, too. :wavey:

Carrie Fisher was ON FIRE back in the day, though. :nod:

[CreepingDeath]

Carrie Fisher was ON FIRE back in the day, though. :nod:


:nod: That slave ensemble was smokin' in Return of the Jedi.

Plus, I think when she was younger she resembled La Nicks. :thumbsup:

[cliffdweller]

Yeah, that's how I feel about them, too. :wavey:

Carrie Fisher was ON FIRE back in the day, though. :nod:


LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Carrie Fisher. I will always fondly remember her character in "When Harry Met Sally," which I might add, is one of the best supporting performances ever.

[dissention]

I feel your pain, in a way, that's just how I feel about the words "Star Wars" :wavey:
I just don't care, okay? I don't want to see them, alright?!

Well, poo to you. ;) I am more excited to see Episode III tomorrow than I have been to see anything else in ages (next to Lars Von Trier's Manderlay, of course). Yes, that's a tad embarrassing for me to admit but it? Will rock.

[amber]

Well, poo to you. ;) I am more excited to see Episode III tomorrow than I have been to see anything else in ages (next to Lars Von Trier's Manderlay, of course). Yes, that's a tad embarrassing for me to admit but it? Will rock.
well, it's okay, apparently this one is good. I might rent it. I just never liked the stories much, they seem very, very, simple to me. But then, I watch movies for acting, usually, and more specifically, actressing, so. I want to see gobby emotions all over my screen, or funny things. It really irritates me when puppets and stuff are characters, too. I don't know why...But, yes, this new one is voted "most likely to be seen by me out of all of them."
Enjoy! :wavey:

[High Priestess]

Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

It's one thing to state your opinion in an intelligent, thought-out, well written manner. It's quite another to scream at people through every single post (you do know that typing IN ALL CAPS is considered poor netiquette since it implies that you are screaming the words you type, don't you?) and disregard others' opinions completely. You have been ranting about "freedom of speech" but you don't want to hear it if someone has a difference of opinion? :shrug:

Also - yes, Amber & Jill were offended by your screaming posts and they may have responded in a way that you perceived as inappropriate, but claiming that a person neglects their children or is an "ignorant slut" is way over the line. Flipping the bird is one thing - slandering a person's reputation is quite another.

I don't know why you became so enraged that people were offended by what they perceived as your rude & agressive posts - what did you expect? :shrug: I don't really care if you didn't like the show - you have the right to your opinions. What I don't appreciate is you name-calling & putting people down for having a different opinion than you.



If you had written a post such as what you just wrote above, maybe it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. You did NOT merely say "I love Stevie, but I felt let down by the show."

You did, however, yell about how Stevie "promised" us something and how "we deserved better." I don't recall Stevie promising anything - and I also read/heard the interviews, as you did.) And the "I always tell the truth" and "I just want to set the record straight?" Those are your opinions, feelings, thoughts. NOT fact, NOT truth. Nobody here said that their positive review was "the truth" - they just wanted to express how they felt about the shows.

And since this is a free country & we are all allowed to express our opinions (sound familiar?), then you must understand that that goes for everyone, whether you agree with them or not. A person is not lying, or trying to cover up the truth, or sugar-coating anything just because they had a great time & thought it was a great show & told us about it here - that's their opinion. I've read all reviews - good and bad. I like to read what others think, whether I agree with them or not :nod: .

I don't want to argue with people (you included, High Priestess.) I come here to chat, have fun, express my opinions, get info about Stevie & Mac. I have enough stress in my life without worrying about this place :rolleyes: .

Love you guys! :xoxo:
You're response was a crack up..stop being SO CONTROLLING!!!
oops..did I scream at you....grow up!

[High Priestess]

...and she never promised specific things like, "I'm definitely gonna do this song, and I'm definitely going to put this footage up on the screen, etc.." From the Ladd interview, I got the general impression that she was going to do songs that she hadn't done in a while, which she did. I think if anyone was under the false impression that she was gonna sing songs she's never sung before live, then that's a bit of one's own delusion. I mean, do you really think that's gonna happen for the Vegas crowd?? And Stevie's inclination to play it safe with her setlists is another clue that that wasn't gonna happen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Ladd interview she was just throwing out suggestions of what she might sing not necessarily what she was definitely singing. From the pictures, her outfits were GORGEOUS!! What more could you ask for there? And the footage, well, she did mention some things she wanted to show, but she never promised anything 100%. I guess you just have to know that with Stevie, nothing's ever certain but what is certain is that she's going to play it safe doing things and singing songs that she feels comfortable with. I don't know...I just think everyone was expecting too much, Stevie's never gonna go out on a limb, I think we should all just get used to that. Just $.02 from someone who wished she could've gone :angel:.
That is exactly the point..You were not there!

[High Priestess]

You know, that's true. That's why people like Amber and Jill responded to your posts.

I have no problems with your opinion of the show. None whatsoever. It just baffles me how you don't see how you've baited and yelled at people with all-caps and such and that caused a "****storm," as kato said. Also, your insistence that we're all bootlegging scumbags was so disturbing to a poster in another thread that the poster is now loath to post on The Ledge.
Stevie's disgust with bootleggers is well documented..how anyone can perpetuate theft and feel good about themselves is beyond me..must not be "true fans"

[High Priestess]

This all really boils down quite simply. Some were disappointed in the show, sounds like the majority thought it was great. Some had the time of their lives. I think the setlist was crap, others are just fine with it. I will never know why Stevie wastes her encore with the Petty song, others think it "rocks".

I get the sense that some people are furious that not everyone sees it their way, either positive of negative. And that's what is leading to these really dumb flame wars.

However, no one denies that Stevie looked and sounded great. If I were Stevie, that's what I'd want to know from my fans. She knows she can't please everyone with her setlist, but if they can all go away saying that she looked and sounded great...sounds like a great success to me.
Then she should not do Pre Show Interviews..then there are no expectations.

[High Priestess]

You can love someone -- but not love everything they do or the choices they make.

There is nothing wrong with having a critical analysis among fans.

Accusing us of "****ting all over her" is inflammatory and misguided.

Fans are hyper-informed to all aspects of her career. As such, our frustrations arise from our expections.
EXCELLENT POINT..MANY WERE DISAPOINTED!!!
Too much Propaganda out there!

[High Priestess]

Christ, yes. I want to erase the word "Vegas" from the English language at this point.
What happened in Vegas..Did not stay in VEGAS.... :laugh:

[CreepingDeath]

EXCELLENT POINT..MANY WERE DISAPOINTED!!!
Too much Propaganda out there!

Maybe all the old blue hairs and high rollers. Which I don't give a flying f*ck if they were disappointed.

Meh, I'm getting out of this thread.

[diamondsnake]

My 2 cents:

I consider myself a huge fan, but this was my first time seeing her solo. So the setlist was great because I had never, ever heard songs like "Edge of 17" and "Stop Dragin My Heart Around" live, but I still got to hear some rare gems like "Beauty and the Beast" and "If Anyone Falls In Love". And as far as energy and vocal performance go, we couldn't ask for more. And I think a good performer is the meat and potatos of a concert. Even if it was the best setlist in the world, a circa 1990 Stevie wouldn't put on a great show. The Stevie of today put on a great show.

[GateandGarden]

:nod: That slave ensemble was smokin' in Return of the Jedi.

Plus, I think when she was younger she resembled La Nicks. :thumbsup:Yeah, I can see that. :nod:

[SapphireSister]

"It's alright you big babies she's doing the best that she can" lol.

[GateandGarden]

Stevie's disgust with bootleggers is well documented..how anyone can perpetuate theft and feel good about themselves is beyond me..must not be "true fans"So I should just ignore them despite the fact that they're going to be there whether I download them or not? Does it make a difference in the long run to anyone but me? It doesn't make them not stolen if I refuse to download them because she made those comments. If that unlawful act made many, many people appreciate and admire her even more than they already did, I can't see how it's harmful.

It kind of befuddles my dumb cracker mind ("Mystery Science Theater 3000" reference there) that we're talking about issues of morality when you tactlessly and tastelessly hit Jill where it hurts. Not to mention what you said about Amber.

Aside from that, how can you judge whether or not someone is a "true" fan without even knowing the first thing about the vast majority of these posters? Is that like how you just knew that Amber is apparently a slut and you don't even know her?

[MoonChilde]

What happened in Vegas..Did not stay in VEGAS.... :laugh:

ITSSSSSSSSSSSSsss Backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk :lol:

[Serrart]

Well, I guess the truth is...
She shouldn't speak, because expressing a desire becomes immediately a statement set in stone. She shouldn't perform in Vegas because it's so cheap... but wait, no, it can be a fun city, the theatre has a great acoustic, so okay. And she must be glamourous, but hey, no more that 50 hats, 35boas and 20 dress changes, it doesn't have to be excessive. And come on, risk Stevie risk, with the setlist, but remember all the guys who fell in love listening to Dreams and want rock'n roll with a touch of country and a hint of blues. And why the heck isn't she working on her solo album? She promised! No, she prefers to tour and not alone :rolleyes: well, she can do it, but what is she thinking? Choosing to share the stage with that thing? And what's this noise that we all keep listening to?

Back to normal programming now.

Romy

[High Priestess]

Not condeming anyone,I should have put this in the original post but if you are fans why **** all over her?
So dramatic... :laugh:

[High Priestess]

Because the plumbing in my apartment sucks.
Touche! :D

[High Priestess]

Yeah, that's how I feel about them, too. :wavey:

Carrie Fisher was ON FIRE back in the day, though. :nod:

As was Stevie...

[amber]

Well, I guess the truth is...
She shouldn't speak, because expressing a desire becomes immediately a statement set in stone. She shouldn't perform in Vegas because it's so cheap... but wait, no, it can be a fun city, the theatre has a great acoustic, so okay. And she must be glamourous, but hey, no more that 50 hats, 35boas and 20 dress changes, it doesn't have to be excessive. And come on, risk Stevie risk, with the setlist, but remember all the guys who fell in love listening to Dreams and want rock'n roll with a touch of country and a hint of blues. And why the heck isn't she working on her solo album? She promised! No, she prefers to tour and not alone :rolleyes: well, she can do it, but what is she thinking? Choosing to share the stage with that thing? And what's this noise that we all keep listening to?

Back to normal programming now.

Romy
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :thumbsup:

[High Priestess]

Maybe all the old blue hairs and high rollers. Which I don't give a flying f*ck if they were disappointed.

Meh, I'm getting out of this thread.
nice language...

[dissention]

nice language...

:laugh:

That's hypocrisy, dear.

[GypsySorcerer]

I feel your pain, in a way, that's just how I feel about the words "Star Wars" :wavey:
I just don't care, okay? I don't want to see them, alright?!

I'd also like to add "Jim Ladd interview" as words I'm sick of. :nod:

[High Priestess]

My 2 cents:

I consider myself a huge fan, but this was my first time seeing her solo. So the setlist was great because I had never, ever heard songs like "Edge of 17" and "Stop Dragin My Heart Around" live, but I still got to hear some rare gems like "Beauty and the Beast" and "If Anyone Falls In Love". And as far as energy and vocal performance go, we couldn't ask for more. And I think a good performer is the meat and potatos of a concert. Even if it was the best setlist in the world, a circa 1990 Stevie wouldn't put on a great show. The Stevie of today put on a great show.
Your thoughts were worth about 2 cents...

[ontheEdgeof17]

I'd also like to add "Jim Ladd interview" as words I'm sick of. :nod:

:lol: and Beauty and the Beast


I kid.

[High Priestess]

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :thumbsup:
Stevie dfinitely got called on this Venue!
Black Widow:Web Of Lies Tour

[GateandGarden]

As was Stevie...The difference is that Stevie is on fire to this day. :nod:

[GateandGarden]

Your thoughts were worth about 2 cents...Now you see, Christopher is a perfectly nice person who addressed you politely and you had to be unncessarily mean.

[GypsySorcerer]

Your thoughts were worth about 2 cents...

You epitomize class, don't you?

[ontheEdgeof17]

Time for another Thread Block. :rolleyes:

[xxxmx]

how about a voluntary thread block? you know, where we all just stop paying attention to the unpleasantries of the ledge?

[paleshadow]

Now you see, Christopher is a perfectly nice person who addressed you politely and you had to be unncessarily mean.


Yeah, I was going to mention something about that too, but it seems like others have said that it only is fueling this person. It's funny too because they made a comment in this thread about how hard it is not to be baited by childish comments. Go figure? Anyway, I've decided to just add that user to my ignore list and I won't have to read any more posts from them. Ought of sight, out of mind. :thumbsup:

[kato]

Your thoughts were worth about 2 cents...
Hey sis,how about giving it a rest already?
I'm sorry I brought it up again.

[GateandGarden]

Yeah, I was going to mention something about that too, but it seems like others have said that it only is fueling this person. It's funny too because they made a comment in this thread about how hard it is not to be baited by childish comments. Go figure? Anyway, I've decided to just add that user to my ignore list and I won't have to read any more posts from them. Ought of sight, out of mind. :thumbsup:That's totally logical and I understand it completely, but I have this personal deal. In my real life, I tend to let people walk all over me, so I've sort of made this decision that I'm rarely going to keep my mouth shut on the internet when I have a problem with the way someone's treating me or others. Irrational, yeah, but aren't women in general? :woohoo:

[High Priestess]

Now I am kinda new here and I know this has been beat to death but here is my take on the Vegas shows,if anyone cares.

Back when this was first announced Stevie made a few statements about how the show was going to be,we all know what she said.
So the shows have came and went and there are mixed reactions.
The set was not much different.
She didn't take the mic out.(big deal)
The Shirts sucked.(agreed)
These are some of the arguements going on here.
Oh and some critic wasn't totally blown away as if we care.
On the plane ride over myself and some of the "real" fans were discussing how we think the show will go.
We all came to the conclusion that there would be a few surprises but not the entire set rearranged,which is what happened.
Guess what,we all loved the show and all had a great time.
There seem to be some people here that have a HUGE problem with the set list.Get over it.It's her show and she is gonna do what she wants.
So it wasn't to much different.She looked and sounded great.What do want to do? Have her shot?
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
I don't know many people here but it seems that all the negativity is coming from people who are not the real fans just trouble makers who have nothing better to do than come on a message board and steam others up.
That's all I got to say about that,and whoever doesn't like it,tough ****.
Please speak for yourself! Not everone loved this show and had a great time!

[High Priestess]

"It's alright you big babies she's doing the best that she can" lol.
Then she should just promote it as the rehash 23 year old set that it was.

[CelticGypsy]

:nod: That slave ensemble was smokin' in Return of the Jedi.

Plus, I think when she was younger she resembled La Nicks. :thumbsup:


OMG :laugh: :laugh: I was thinking the same thing when I watched a Star Wars special last night on VH-1. Carrie did resemble Stevie a little bit. I think it was her eyes and flawless skin/face shape. Can you imagine Stevie with Princess Leia cinnamon roll hairdo and outfit???? How cute would that be :D :angel: How about that one for the next album cover :lol:

[amber]

OMG :laugh: :laugh: I was thinking the same thing when I watched a Star Wars special last night on VH-1. Carrie did resemble Stevie a little bit. I think it was her eyes and flawless skin/face shape. Can you imagine Stevie with Princess Leia cinnamon roll hairdo and outfit???? How cute would that be :D :angel: How about that one for the next album cover :lol:
Stevie with leia buns. I.Would.Die!!!! They should be high up, though, not right by her ears... :p

[GateandGarden]

Then she should just promote it as the rehash 23 year old set that it was.
"This simple thought repeating
Over and over again..."

[dissention]

well, it's okay, apparently this one is good. I might rent it. I just never liked the stories much, they seem very, very, simple to me. But then, I watch movies for acting, usually, and more specifically, actressing, so. I want to see gobby emotions all over my screen, or funny things. It really irritates me when puppets and stuff are characters, too. I don't know why...But, yes, this new one is voted "most likely to be seen by me out of all of them."
Enjoy! :wavey:

I could never watch a Star Wars movie for the acting. :lol:

George Lucas has to be the worst director of actors in the world. I mean, it's scary. But Episode III is supposed to have some good acting (I never understood why everyone said Christensen was so bad in Episode II, I thought Samuel L. Jackson and Natalie Portman were the ones who stunk up the screen in that one) and have a much diferent tone than the others, so it should be interesting.

[High Priestess]

Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

It's one thing to state your opinion in an intelligent, thought-out, well written manner. It's quite another to scream at people through every single post (you do know that typing IN ALL CAPS is considered poor netiquette since it implies that you are screaming the words you type, don't you?) and disregard others' opinions completely. You have been ranting about "freedom of speech" but you don't want to hear it if someone has a difference of opinion? :shrug:

Also - yes, Amber & Jill were offended by your screaming posts and they may have responded in a way that you perceived as inappropriate, but claiming that a person neglects their children or is an "ignorant slut" is way over the line. Flipping the bird is one thing - slandering a person's reputation is quite another.

I don't know why you became so enraged that people were offended by what they perceived as your rude & agressive posts - what did you expect? :shrug: I don't really care if you didn't like the show - you have the right to your opinions. What I don't appreciate is you name-calling & putting people down for having a different opinion than you.



If you had written a post such as what you just wrote above, maybe it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. You did NOT merely say "I love Stevie, but I felt let down by the show."

You did, however, yell about how Stevie "promised" us something and how "we deserved better." I don't recall Stevie promising anything - and I also read/heard the interviews, as you did.) And the "I always tell the truth" and "I just want to set the record straight?" Those are your opinions, feelings, thoughts. NOT fact, NOT truth. Nobody here said that their positive review was "the truth" - they just wanted to express how they felt about the shows.

And since this is a free country & we are all allowed to express our opinions (sound familiar?), then you must understand that that goes for everyone, whether you agree with them or not. A person is not lying, or trying to cover up the truth, or sugar-coating anything just because they had a great time & thought it was a great show & told us about it here - that's their opinion. I've read all reviews - good and bad. I like to read what others think, whether I agree with them or not :nod: .

I don't want to argue with people (you included, High Priestess.) I come here to chat, have fun, express my opinions, get info about Stevie & Mac. I have enough stress in my life without worrying about this place :rolleyes: .

Love you guys! :xoxo:
You need Prozac :laugh:

[High Priestess]

So I should just ignore them despite the fact that they're going to be there whether I download them or not? Does it make a difference in the long run to anyone but me? It doesn't make them not stolen if I refuse to download them because she made those comments. If that unlawful act made many, many people appreciate and admire her even more than they already did, I can't see how it's harmful.

It kind of befuddles my dumb cracker mind ("Mystery Science Theater 3000" reference there) that we're talking about issues of morality when you tactlessly and tastelessly hit Jill where it hurts. Not to mention what you said about Amber.

Aside from that, how can you judge whether or not someone is a "true" fan without even knowing the first thing about the vast majority of these posters? Is that like how you just knew that Amber is apparently a slut and you don't even know her?

Jill & Amber jumped into a conversation and were inappropriate first.
I'm sure they are big girls and can fight their own battles.Secondly bootlegging is "theft"..Stevie is receiving no money or royalties on her unfinished work..is that fair?Is your passion for this theft product more important than her well documented feelings on this subject?Did you know that it is against the law?Sounds scummy & selfish to me.
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[High Priestess]

ITSSSSSSSSSSSSsss Backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk :lol:
Take 2 klonopin and call me in the morning. :laugh:

[dissention]

I'd extend that to being simply the worst director.

No, he's competing with Spielberg and Schumacher for that title.

[High Priestess]

:laugh:

That's hypocrisy, dear.
Take 2 Klonopin and call me in the morning Dear.

[amber]

I could never watch a Star Wars movie for the acting. :lol:

George Lucas has to be the worst director of actors in the world. I mean, it's scary. But Episode III is supposed to have some good acting (I never understood why everyone said Christensen was so bad in Episode II, I thought Samuel L. Jackson and Natalie Portman were the ones who stunk up the screen in that one) and have a much diferent tone than the others, so it should be interesting.
Yeah, I'm sure it will be good, everyone's been saying they like it. I dolike "effects" sometimes, so, maybe some day. Overall, though, It's pretty far down on my list. Especially since I haven't seen so many movies. if I were you, though, I would give all the love I....oh, wait, no...I would want to see it, cause you've probably already seen most other movies that are out... :laugh:

[paleshadow]

I could never watch a Star Wars movie for the acting. :lol:

George Lucas has to be the worst director of actors in the world. I mean, it's scary. But Episode III is supposed to have some good acting (I never understood why everyone said Christensen was so bad in Episode II, I thought Samuel L. Jackson and Natalie Portman were the ones who stunk up the screen in that one) and have a much diferent tone than the others, so it should be interesting.

I saw Episode III yesterday and I enjoyed it. I don't know if that was because the acting was actually better, or just because there was so little of it. It was mostly fight scenes. I think Sumuel L. Jackson is a good actor, but he just never seemed to fit into the Star Wars universe to me. He always seemed out of place. My favorite actors in this one are Yoda, and R2D2! They both had skills, and cracked me up!

[High Priestess]

I'd also like to add "Jim Ladd interview" as words I'm sick of. :nod:
So does Stevie

[High Priestess]

:lol: and Beauty and the Beast


I kid.
Beauty & The Beast was very OVERATED!! TRUST ME!

[dissention]

Yeah, I'm sure it will be good, everyone's been saying they like it. I dolike "effects" sometimes, so, maybe some day. Overall, though, It's pretty far down on my list. Especially since I haven't seen so many movies. if I were you, though, I would give all the love I....oh, wait, no...I would want to see it, cause you've probably already seen most other movies that are out... :laugh:

Nah, there aren't many good flicks out right now. Just The Interpreter and Monster-In-Law, but I've seen both of them. The good and cheesy ones are coming this summer. Manderlay (set a release date already!), Batman Begins, Bewitched, Haute Tension, Willy Wonka, etc. Those are the ones on my list. :nod:

[High Priestess]

The difference is that Stevie is on fire to this day. :nod:

not this time...

[High Priestess]

You epitomize class, don't you?
You guys can't handle the truth.. :distress:

[High Priestess]

Time for another Thread Block. :rolleyes:
They should have "blocked" the Dreams Tour...

[dissention]

That's right, a fellow Spielberg despiser. Although I'll give him the credit for not being the absolute worst, I mean I wouldn't know their names (the shuddering rendering me unable to read the credits) but I've witnessed trash that is beyond the horrors of a Spielberg film. Actually, I would put Lucas below Spielberg.

Spielberg is so ridiculously incompetent that it's kind of funny in a perverse way. He's just...bad. Lucas is equally bad, too, but Star Wars is entertaining, so I give him a slight break. He's a hack and I think he knows it, whereas Spielberg considers himself to be the God of Cinema.

[High Priestess]

how about a voluntary thread block? you know, where we all just stop paying attention to the unpleasantries of the ledge?
And allow people to have different opinions?? THAT IS CRAZY!!! :laugh:

[High Priestess]

Hey sis,how about giving it a rest already?
I'm sorry I brought it up again.
So grow up & give it a rest then....

[GateandGarden]

Spielberg is so ridiculously incompetent that it's kind of funny in a perverse way. He's just...bad. Lucas is equally bad, too, but Star Wars is entertaining, so I give him a slight break. He's a hack and I think he knows it, whereas Spielberg considers himself to be the God of Cinema.
Do you think Schindler's List was bad?

[High Priestess]

That's totally logical and I understand it completely, but I have this personal deal. In my real life, I tend to let people walk all over me, so I've sort of made this decision that I'm rarely going to keep my mouth shut on the internet when I have a problem with the way someone's treating me or others. Irrational, yeah, but aren't women in general? :woohoo:
.."too trusting..yes..but then women usually are"

[High Priestess]

This person thrives on personal insults and the reactions to such. To resopnd at all is to fuel so it'll be closed shortly, you may aswell walk away before someone has to enforce it. I guess you just accept that you can't change or even reason with the insane (or just those who get on off on being insulted).
Not everyone thinks The Empress Has New Clothes!

[Serrart]

I could never watch a Star Wars movie for the acting. :lol:

George Lucas has to be the worst director of actors in the world. I mean, it's scary. But Episode III is supposed to have some good acting (I never understood why everyone said Christensen was so bad in Episode II, I thought Samuel L. Jackson and Natalie Portman were the ones who stunk up the screen in that one) and have a much diferent tone than the others, so it should be interesting.

Luckily there's Ian McDarmid, even in Star Wars there must be at least a real actor.

Romy

[High Priestess]

"This simple thought repeating
Over and over again..."
"It goes on and on and on and on again..again." :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Do you think Schindler's List was bad?

As bad as Shoah (which I could NEVER finish when it was shown in college and I wouldn't finish it for ten million bucks) and that says a helluva lot. There were some scenes that were truly heartbreaking, but as a film, it was wretched. I know it's some sort of taboo to call any film on the Holocaust "wretched," but oh well. From the black and white to the manipulation on the audience at the end to the Oscar bait feel to all of the proceedings, it does nothing for me.

[Serrart]

I have no idea what's out at the moment. All I know is that I'm going to see the German film Downfall on Monday and that will be the first time I've ventured into a cinema in quite a while (for a reason other than escaping the Australian summer).

It's a good movie, conventional but good. Bruno Ganz is spectacular and also the two leading actresses, Alexandra Maria Lara (The secretary) and Juliane Köhler (Eva Braun).

Romy

[GypsySorcerer]

Ya'll and your Speilberg hate. :laugh: I don't think he's brilliant, but he makes thoroughly enjoyable, entertaining flicks. IMHO, of course. :)

[GateandGarden]

As bad as Shoah (which I could NEVER finish when it was shown in college and I wouldn't finish it for ten million bucks) and that says a helluva lot. There were some scenes that were truly heartbreaking, but as a film, it was wretched. I know it's some sort of taboo to call any film on the Holocaust "wretched," but oh well. From the black and white to the manipulation on the audience at the end to the Oscar bait feel to all of the proceedings, it does nothing for me.I've heard that Shoah was good but I never sat through it.

So, are there any Speilberg films you like? As a whole?

My Mom's fave movie is Jaws. It's just her thing. :woohoo: But she will not speak of the sequels. :laugh:

[dissention]

Luckily there's Ian McDarmid, even in Star Wars there must be at least a real actor.

Romy

But the thing is that I think Jackson, Portman, and Christensen are all fabulous actors. Just not necessarily in Star Wars. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Somehow I took a wrong turn and ended up in the school cafeteria.

High Priestess, as you have been told by several people several times, differences of opinion are accepted and welcomed here, but the continual baiting and harassment of Ledgies is not.

Either learn to interact with other Ledgies more respectfully and tactfully, or you won't have the option of posting here much longer.

[GypsySorcerer]

As bad as Shoah (which I could NEVER finish when it was shown in college and I wouldn't finish it for ten million bucks) and that says a helluva lot. There were some scenes that were truly heartbreaking, but as a film, it was wretched. I know it's some sort of taboo to call any film on the Holocaust "wretched," but oh well. From the black and white to the manipulation on the audience at the end to the Oscar bait feel to all of the proceedings, it does nothing for me.

I can see why you think it's overrated, but I thought Neeson, and especially, Kingsley, were excellent.

[amber]

But the thing is that I think Jackson, Portman, and Christensen are all fabulous actors. Just not necessarily in Star Wars. :laugh:
I'm, uh, thinking there's not a lot to work with there, script wise... :shocked: :laugh:

[dissention]

I've heard that Shoah was good but I never sat through it.

So, are there any Speilberg films you like? As a whole?

My Mom's fave movie is Jaws. It's just her thing. :woohoo: But she will not speak of the sequels. :laugh:

Shoah is utter ****. Bless the soul of the individual that can watch it, because I certainly can't. :laugh: It's simply bad filmmaking.

I like Empire of the Sun simply for Christian Bale, I like AI because his incompetence magically made a somewhat decent movie (albeit unintentionally), and I like parts of The Color Purple, even though he gave it a white man's touch that is entirely inexcusable and offensive.

[Serrart]

That's a good point. Not only does Spielberg but a certain sector of film-goers. I don't think Lucas nor his audience are claiming brilliance. I think the fans realise this and atleast the first three (released) were entertaining despite his incompetence. Spielberg on the other hand draws attention to himself as the director, which many others pull off with their brilliance however if you've got nothing to show, it's better to disguise your directing within the film.

I think Spielberg can be a wonderful director when he wants; even if sometimes he's manipulative, distracted by the message he wants the people to get, full part of a corporate way of thinking cinema, but great. He always runs for the balance between art and industry, not a sin, but boring though.

Romy

[Serrart]

But the thing is that I think Jackson, Portman, and Christensen are all fabulous actors. Just not necessarily in Star Wars. :laugh:

Jackson does his homework, Portman and Christensen together are poisoning to me. Separately she's very good, he's cute but has one face and one tone of voice, IMO.

Romy

[xxxmx]

Shoah is utter ****. Bless the soul of the individual that can watch it, because I certainly can't. :laugh: It's simply bad filmmaking.

it is bad filmmaking, but it's the content that counts. i've seen it twice, the whole thing twice. then again, i was writing a rather daunting paper for a semester on the Holocaust.

[GateandGarden]

As for Spielberg himself, someone ought to tell him that shots of people looking does not constitute a decent film. The only thing I like about him was his ability to have Ralph Fiennes in one of his films.:laugh: When they did the "Mystery Science Theater 3000 Summer Blockbuster Review" the summer when The Lost World came out, that was the big joke. They did a whole montage of what they said Spielberg did best--"scenes of people looking" :laugh: :lol:

[amber]

Jackson does his homework, Portman and Christensen together are poisoning to me. Separately she's very good, he's cute but has one face and one tone of voice, IMO.

Romy
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I hate one face actors.

[GypsySorcerer]

:laugh: When they did the "Mystery Science Theater 3000 Summer Blockbuster Review" the summer when The Lost World came out, that was the big joke. They did a whole montage of what they said Spielberg did best--"scenes of people looking" :laugh: :lol:

"Lost World" was a crummy movie. Was that the one with Vince Vaughn? I can't remeber, though Vince is always cute. :laugh:

[dissention]

Jackson does his homework, Portman and Christensen together are poisoning to me. Separately she's very good, he's cute but has one face and one tone of voice, IMO.

Romy

I think Jackson is one of the greatest living actors, even if he picks the absolute worst trash imaginable. I've loved Portman since I saw her in Leon, and Christensen sold me with Shattered Glass. He's very good, IMO.

[GateandGarden]

"Lost World" was a crummy movie. Was that the one with Vince Vaughn? I can't remeber, though Vince is always cute. :laugh:Yeah, Vince Vaughn was in that one. I think it was the worst of the Jurassic Park movies, though the third was one was really bad to me, too.

[Serrart]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I hate one face actors.

Same here, even if I don't hate Christensen, I just turn off the volume when he speaks. ;)

Romy

[amber]

I think Jackson is one of the greatest living actors, even if he picks the absolute worst trash imaginable. I've loved Portman since I saw her in Leon, and Christensen sold me with Shattered Glass. He's very good, IMO.
Hey, did you see that basketball movie about Richmond? I've wanted to see that, but I like sports movies.

[GypsySorcerer]

Yeah, Vince Vaughn was in that one. I think it was the worst of the Jurassic Park movies, though the third was one was really bad to me, too.

Well, that's two out of three that are bad. :laugh:

BTW, I love your new avatar. That's a great picture of her.

[DrummerDeanna]

First off - can I just say...I? LOVE the Ledge :laugh:

This thread - which for some reason I've been keeping up on (it's like the car accident you can't look away from) has gone all over the place...:laugh:

Oh and I'm going to see Star Wars III one hour from now :blob1:

[GypsySorcerer]

I think Jackson is one of the greatest living actors, even if he picks the absolute worst trash imaginable...

I think Jackson is top-notch too, but you're right -- he does pick lousy roles for the most part.

[GateandGarden]

Well, that's two out of three that are bad. :laugh:Yeah, I liked the first Jurassic Park movie a lot, though. I remember going to see it with my whole family and everyone thought it was great. Of course I was eleven then. :laugh:

BTW, I love your new avatar. That's a great picture of her.Thanks! :)

[amber]

Same here, even if I don't hate Christensen, I just turn off the volume when he speaks. ;)

Romy
:lol:
I just realized one of my favorite actresses can be a bit one facey. :shocked: But there's depth in that one face, and the one eye expression is very expressive, so I forgive her... :D And, she does have a couple movies where she uses a bunch of face, so...

[GypsySorcerer]

Yeah, I liked the first Jurassic Park movie a lot, though. I remember going to see it with my whole family and everyone thought it was great. Of course I was eleven then. :laugh:

Thanks! :)


I went and saw the first Jurassic Park with one of my friends (I think I was 13) and I thought it was the best movie I'd ever seen. That, and Free Willy. :lol: :laugh:

[Serrart]

I think Jackson is one of the greatest living actors, even if he picks the absolute worst trash imaginable. I've loved Portman since I saw her in Leon, and Christensen sold me with Shattered Glass. He's very good, IMO.

I love Jackson as an actor but I don't understand what he's doing in Star Wars; I got he's accepted the role for the money, but what about enrich his character with some personality? He should have looked better at Alec Guinnness class act.

Romy

[Janet]

Oh Lord. This is now a Star Wars thread and does not belong on the Stevie boards.

So let's talk about Star Wars on Chit Chat and not talk about HP anymore. No more baiting, it will just die without anyone of us closing it.

I have a headache after this thread!!!! :distress:

[Serrart]

:lol:
I just realized one of my favorite actresses can be a bit one facey. :shocked: But there's depth in that one face, and the one eye expression is very expressive, so I forgive her... :D And, she does have a couple movies where she uses a bunch of face, so...

Who is she?

Romy

[amber]

Oh Lord. This is now a Star Wars thread and does not belong on the Stevie boards.

So let's talk about Star Wars on Chit Chat and not talk about HP anymore. No more baiting, it will just die without anyone of us closing it.

I have a headache after this thread!!!! :distress:
But, Janet, we've successfully turned a lame thread with a baiter into a rollicking, innocent, movie thread! Kudos to us!!!! :thumbsup:

[amber]

Who is she?

Romy
La Adjani. :D You know, the Adjani deep stare? :laugh: It's a Cancer stare, though, so I totally get it... :cool:

[dissention]

That taboo grates at my nerves so much. Any idiot can make a film about a touchy subject, doesn't mean the film is any good and you should be able to call it trash if you felt it was. I remember watching Saving Private Ryan in school and being the only one who said I didn't like it and suddenly disliking a film became a reason to accuse me of disrespecting dead people. Bleh, what a load of crap.

As for Spielberg himself, someone ought to tell him that shots of people looking does not constitute a decent film. The only thing I like about him was his ability to have Ralph Fiennes in one of his films.

Just look at Pauline Kael and her review of Shoah wherein she savaged it. Her editor didn't even want to print it and when he finally did, she was called everything from a Nazi to an anti-semite. All because she said it was a **** film. Which it is.

[Janet]

But, Janet, we've successfully turned a lame thread with a baiter into a rollicking, innocent, movie thread! Kudos to us!!!! :thumbsup:

LOL rock on then...rock on!

[dissention]

Same here, even if I don't hate Christensen, I just turn off the volume when he speaks. ;)

Romy

:shocked: :laugh:

[dissention]

it is bad filmmaking, but it's the content that counts. i've seen it twice, the whole thing twice. then again, i was writing a rather daunting paper for a semester on the Holocaust.

Yes, but it was badly presented. And that's an understatement. Just because it has substantial content, it doesn't make the movie itself any more substantial if the presentation is lousy and one gets the overwhelming feeling that the filmmaker should find another job.

Consider yourself blessed...twice. :laugh:

[jwd]

My opinion....F*** Vegas! Sorry for those of you who were disappointed, but I'm glad the rest of you had a great time seeing Stevie. I'm seeing "my girl" in Cincy in June, where I snagged awesome seats today! I CAN'T WAIT to listen to her do the standards, along with a few she hasn't done in awhile. I'm gonna have a GOOD TIME! :woohoo:

[Serrart]

La Adjani. :D You know, the Adjani deep stare? :laugh: It's a Cancer stare, though, so I totally get it... :cool:

She's a great actress, IMO, her screen presence is amazing.

Romy

[dissention]

First off - can I just say...I? LOVE the Ledge :laugh:

This thread - which for some reason I've been keeping up on (it's like the car accident you can't look away from) has gone all over the place...:laugh:

Oh and I'm going to see Star Wars III one hour from now :blob1:

Have fun! I see it tomorrow at 1:30. :D

[amber]

She's a great actress, IMO, her screen presence is amazing.

Romy
yes, I agree. it's her deep, stare-y eyes... :laugh:

[dissention]

Hey, did you see that basketball movie about Richmond? I've wanted to see that, but I like sports movies.

No, I haven't. I can't bring myself to watch anything from MTV Films or anything starring Ashanti. :laugh:

Ever seen Jackie Bronw (my favorite Tarantino flick!)? He was fabulous in that one.

[Johnny Stew]

I just realized one of my favorite actresses can be a bit one facey. :shocked: Melanie Hutsell? :laugh:

(Yikes, talk about an old reference. :o )

[amber]

No, I haven't. I can't bring myself to watch anything from MTV Films or anything starring Ashanti. :laugh:

Ever seen Jackie Bronw (my favorite Tarantino flick!)? He was fabulous in that one.
yeah, that was good. My favorite as well.
Um "starring" Ashanti? I don't remember that. Still, it looked good, I want to see it. Not, like, earth shattering deep, but just, you know, enjoyable. :nod: did i say I loved sports movies? mmkay.

[dissention]

Melanie Hutsell? :laugh:

(Yikes, talk about an old reference. :o )

:eek: Thank the stars she was only on it for a few years!!!! I couldn't stand her!

[amber]

Melanie Hutsell? :laugh:

(Yikes, talk about an old reference. :o )
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I totally forgot about her! But you are right. :nod: That face was pretty funny, though...

[Johnny Stew]

:eek: Thank the stars she was only on it for a few years!!!! I couldn't stand her!Delta-Delta-Delta... can I help ya, help ya, help ya!

[dissention]

Delta-Delta-Delta... can I help ya, help ya, help ya!

Uggggggghhhhhhhh. :laugh:

You know who I absolutely loved? Jan Hooks. She'll always be one of my favorites.

[GateandGarden]

I went and saw the first Jurassic Park with one of my friends (I think I was 13) and I thought it was the best movie I'd ever seen. That, and Free Willy. :lol: :laugh:I thought that was a wonderful movie, too! :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

You know who I absolutely loved? Jan Hooks. She'll always be one of my favorites.Me too. :nod:

Too bad her talents were completely and utterly wasted on those last two painful seasons of 'Designing Women' though. :distress:

[dissention]

Me too. :nod:

Too bad her talents were completely and utterly wasted on those last two painful seasons of 'Designing Women' though. :distress:

I liked some of the last season because I thought Judith Ivey was a riot, but you're right. Hooks is FABULOUS opposite Martin Short as Dixie Glick, though. :laugh:

And her scene in Pee Wee's Big Adventure always make me laugh. "The Alamo doesn't have a basement!"

[GateandGarden]

And her scene in Pee Wee's Big Adventure always make me laugh. "The Alamo doesn't have a basement!"I <3 that scene!

[Johnny Stew]

I liked some of the last season because I thought Judith Ivey was a riot, but you're right.Overall, the Judith Ivey season was definitely better than the Julia Duffy (who I actually quite like) season, but compared to earlier seasons, the quality was beyond subpar and everything felt forced. :distress:

And her scene in Pee Wee's Big Adventure always make me laugh. "The Alamo doesn't have a basement!""...under the command of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. *hiccup*" :laugh:

[paleshadow]

I love Jackson as an actor but I don't understand what he's doing in Star Wars; I got he's accepted the role for the money, but what about enrich his character with some personality? He should have looked better at Alec Guinnness class act.

Romy

Actually, I either read an article, or saw an interview with him where he said that he called and begged to be in the movie, and that they wrote the character in for him. I guess he had loved the previous films and wanted to be part of it.

[SuzeQuze]

And allow people to have different opinions?? THAT IS CRAZY!!! :laugh:

It has nothing to do with differing opinions. You have been consistently rude and insulting to Ledgies. This is a fan forum. We get that you were disappointed with Vegas. Some of us weren't. Do you have to say something nasty everytime someone says something nice about Stevie and this Vegas gig?

[GateandGarden]

It has nothing to do with differing opinions. You have been consistently rude and insulting to Ledgies. This is a fan forum. We get that you were disappointed with Vegas. Some of us weren't. Do you have to say something nasty everytime someone says something nice about Stevie and this Vegas gig?Eh, this person will be banned soon, right? :shrug:

[Janet]

Star Wars rocks!

:) he he he

[dissention]

Star Wars rocks!

:) he he he

Have you seen the documentary on the bonus disc of the boxed set, Janet? I'm about to watch it, but I want to know if it's going to bore me to death. :laugh:

[amber]

Star Wars rocks!

:) he he he
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[High Priestess]

It has nothing to do with differing opinions. You have been consistently rude and insulting to Ledgies. This is a fan forum. We get that you were disappointed with Vegas. Some of us weren't. Do you have to say something nasty everytime someone says something nice about Stevie and this Vegas gig?
Many agree across The Forum Boards..here and beyond.
You need to stop the propaganda! :D

[High Priestess]

Oh Lord. This is now a Star Wars thread and does not belong on the Stevie boards.

So let's talk about Star Wars on Chit Chat and not talk about HP anymore. No more baiting, it will just die without anyone of us closing it.

I have a headache after this thread!!!! :distress:
Thank you!

[High Priestess]

But, Janet, we've successfully turned a lame thread with a baiter into a rollicking, innocent, movie thread! Kudos to us!!!! :thumbsup:
Actually you proved you are being a child...

[High Priestess]

My opinion....F*** Vegas! Sorry for those of you who were disappointed, but I'm glad the rest of you had a great time seeing Stevie. I'm seeing "my girl" in Cincy in June, where I snagged awesome seats today! I CAN'T WAIT to listen to her do the standards, along with a few she hasn't done in awhile. I'm gonna have a GOOD TIME! :woohoo:
Enjoy the Web Of Lies Tour!

[Johnny Stew]

Enjoy the Web Of Lies Tour!Now your record's just skipping.

[jwd]

Enjoy the Web Of Lies Tour!

Okay....whatever, but I WILL!:lol: I can see where this is going to leave some serious scars on you for the rest of your life. :sorry: :p

[sodascouts]

Why are you guys wasting your time? This person is obviously not for real. You're providing entertainment for a poser who's stirring up crap and then laughing at you for getting upset. There really are people that lame. Don't fall for their trick.

BTW, it may be OT, but if you're only going to see one Star Wars movie, see the original Ep 4. Ep. 3 is meaningless without the knowledge of what occurred in the original triology.

[eyemakeupdark]

[QUOTE



I agree Janet Stevie has given so much over the years ! There is no need to get down right ugly

I like this sight

[Johnny Stew]

Why are you guys wasting your time? This person is obviously not for real. You're providing entertainment for a poser who's stirring up crap and then laughing at you for getting upset. There really are people that lame. Don't fall for their trick.Good advice, Nance. :xoxo:

At this point though, I get the feeling that people aren't really upset about anything that's being said... but, rather, are enjoying the entertainment value of it all themselves. :nod:

[eyemakeupdark]

This is true Even though i was upset a little about the show I deep down think she is kind of hilarious that she tells white lies to get out of a uncomfortable situation She is so funny in alot of these interviews in how she pulls dates and numbers out of her ass ! she remembers every encounter and detail and tells the interview what they want to hear so she doesnt have to deal with pressure I love this about her but i think she deserves more for her and her show ! one of my all time favorite interviews is when she is telling vh1 how many time the redid the demos to bombay sapphires i think 10x she said until she was finally happy with it lol hilarious

[GateandGarden]

Good advice, Nance. :xoxo:

At this point though, I get the feeling that people aren't really upset about anything that's being said... but, rather, are enjoying the entertainment value of it all themselves. :nod:Yeah, I was upset about the comment about Jill at first but I then realized there was no reason to take any of this very seriously. There's some definite entertainment value here.

This is true Even though i was upset a little about the show I deep down think she is kind of hilarious that she tells white lies to get out of a uncomfortable situation She is so funny in alot of these interviews in how she pulls dates and numbers out of her ass ! she remembers every encounter and detail and tells the interview what they want to hear so she doesnt have to deal with pressure I love this about her but i think she deserves more for her and her show ! one of my all time favorite interviews is when she is telling vh1 how many time the redid the demos to bombay sapphires i think 10x she said until she was finally happy with it lol hilariousBy the way, you're High Priestess, aren't you? :laugh:

[Beachwood Mac]

Yeah, I was upset about the comment about Jill at first but I then realized there was no reason to take any of this very seriously. There's some definite entertainment value here.

By the way, you're High Priestess, aren't you? :laugh:

That is exactly what I thought Hillary! They are never signed on at the same time.

Terry

[catinthedark]

Beauty & The Beast was very OVERATED!! TRUST ME!

I should trust you... why?

[amber]

I should trust you... why?
Dont.Talk.to.It.! :laugh:

[seeker007nmss]

Dont.Talk.to.It.! :laugh:


When I read some of these posts the best reply seems to be that MeowMix commercial - Meowmeowmeowmeow...Meowmeowmeowmeow...MeowmeowmeowmeowMeowmeowmeowmeow... Maybe its the pink cat on the ceiling again....Dumb Cleaning Vapors.... :lol:

[High Priestess]

This is true Even though i was upset a little about the show I deep down think she is kind of hilarious that she tells white lies to get out of a uncomfortable situation She is so funny in alot of these interviews in how she pulls dates and numbers out of her ass ! she remembers every encounter and detail and tells the interview what they want to hear so she doesnt have to deal with pressure I love this about her but i think she deserves more for her and her show ! one of my all time favorite interviews is when she is telling vh1 how many time the redid the demos to bombay sapphires i think 10x she said until she was finally happy with it lol hilarious
Stevie is a crack up when she gets going like in all her Vegas Pre Show Interviews..She should keep her visions to herself..yea.

[catinthedark]

Dont.Talk.to.It.! :laugh:

I just can't stop!! It's so, so, SO hilarious. And a little sad, at the same time. This "High Priestess" clearly has little to no life. I can't imagine spending as much time as he/she is spending on this. Every single post from her/him is further proof of that. And the very idea that he/she actually thinks that any one of us is taking him/her seriously at this point makes me just roll on the floor laughing.

Come ooooon. It's FUNNY!

LOOK! I CAN YELL TOO!!

THE EMPRESS HAS NO CLOTHES!!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :] :] :lol: :lol: :lol:

[amber]

I just can't stop!! It's so, so, SO hilarious. And a little sad, at the same time. This "High Priestess" clearly has little to no life. I can't imagine spending as much time as he/she is spending on this. Every single post from her/him is further proof of that. And the very idea that he/she actually thinks that any one of us is taking him/her seriously at this point makes me just roll on the floor laughing.

Come ooooon. It's FUNNY!

LOOK! I CAN YELL TOO!!

THE EMPRESS HAS NO CLOTHES!!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :] :] :lol: :lol: :lol:
Look, you've made it come out again! :laugh:

[seeker007nmss]

Look, you've made it come out again! :laugh:


Here...Kitty Kitty Kitty..... :wavey: :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Look, you've made it come out again! :laugh:


It's like Stephen King's It.

That's what you get for going down in the sewer.

[amber]

Here...Kitty Kitty Kitty..... :wavey: :laugh:
:laugh: :lol: :confused: :lol:

[High Priestess]

It has nothing to do with differing opinions. You have been consistently rude and insulting to Ledgies. This is a fan forum. We get that you were disappointed with Vegas. Some of us weren't. Do you have to say something nasty everytime someone says something nice about Stevie and this Vegas gig?
Many of us beg to differ... :cool:

[High Priestess]

Okay....whatever, but I WILL!:lol: I can see where this is going to leave some serious scars on you for the rest of your life. :sorry: :p
Just setting the record straight for all the uninformed who were not there.
Vegas was an embarresment for her.

[catinthedark]

Look, you've made it come out again! :laugh:

Bwahahahaha!

Okay - I'm going back to my litter box.

[High Priestess]

Now your record's just skipping.
Johnny Stew..I Love Yew :p

[catinthedark]

Just setting the record straight for all the uninformed who were not there.
Vegas was an embarresment for her.

Do us all a favour - go check your online dictionary and get your spelling right.

And exactly who died and left you to "set the record straight" for us? I missed that part.

Newsflash, baby: your opinion means nothing.

[High Priestess]

Yeah, I was upset about the comment about Jill at first but I then realized there was no reason to take any of this very seriously. There's some definite entertainment value here.

By the way, you're High Priestess, aren't you? :laugh:
No hon..I am..but she speaks the truth :xoxo:

[paleshadow]

It's like Stephen King's It.

That's what you get for going down in the sewer.

From the sewer to this one aint up!

[High Priestess]

That is exactly what I thought Hillary! They are never signed on at the same time.

Terry
Oh no 2 people not praising Stevie...It must be a scandalous Coup

[High Priestess]

Good advice, Nance. :xoxo:

At this point though, I get the feeling that people aren't really upset about anything that's being said... but, rather, are enjoying the entertainment value of it all themselves. :nod:
"We are the world..." ;)

[High Priestess]

I should trust you... why?
She threw everyone a crumb..big deal! :shrug:

[catinthedark]

"We are the world..." ;)

Quick show of hands: this make sense to anyone??

(Who let it out of its cage again??)

[amber]

Quick show of hands: this make sense to anyone??

(Who let it out of its cage again??)
You!! :laugh:

[catinthedark]

She threw everyone a crumb..big deal! :shrug:

I should trust you because she threw everyone a crumb.

:confused:

It's really too bad you make no sense whatsoever. Actually, no. It just makes it all that much more hilarious.

[High Priestess]

[QUOTE=sodascouts]Why are you guys wasting your time? This person is obviously not for real. You're providing entertainment for a poser who's stirring up crap and then laughing at you for getting upset. There really are people that lame. Don't fall for their trick.

THIS IS MY ORIGINAL REVIEW:


I was in Las Vegas for the Opening of "Dreams" at Ceasars Palace. I was so thrilled as I am a Vegas Native traveling from Los Angeles back to my home town to support Stevie.I was excited after hearing the Jim Ladd Interview that she was going all out in this Venue to create an evening never seen before.In the Interview she spoke of "pulling out old songs never or rarely performed live"..maybe Storms..maybe Sisters Of The Moon..maybe Highwayman..old Video Clips playing behind her...vintage costumes from past tours..and major production..taking full advantage of the huge IMAX Screens used currently by Celine & Elton. There were also several Interviews Stevie gave to local radio stations saying that "Talk To Me is my favorite Video and I intend to open the show with it."
Unfortunately none of the above occured.
Stevie was wonderful as always! She was in good voice despite dodging many high notes.
The set was brief..and there were really no surprises for anyone who follows her solo set lists.
The Highlights were If Anyone Falls..were she used a brief ballet clip from the video and her Finale of Beauty & The Beast..(her best performance of the evening).She had a cool opening clip from I Can't Wait Video..(breaking through the wall). Other than that 90% of the show
was her usual set list. She was only shown once on the large screen towards the end..which I found odd..I would have preferred to see her than the psycadelic projections behind her through most of the show. She did not spin at all..not even on Stand Back..not one. No Boots.And she never even mentioned anything about being in Las Vegas.There were no new or old costumes. Only black. Lori looked and sounded amazing as did the whole band!!! It was great to see Waddy Wachtel up there again! I have seen every Stevie solo & FM show..I love, admire and respect her tremendously and always will. It seemed thrown together very fast. What was promised and what was delivered were two different things.

[catinthedark]

You!! :laugh:

Damn.


(But I just can't stop!! It's killin' me!! Come oooon! It's just a little funny, don't ya think?)

[High Priestess]

Now I am kinda new here and I know this has been beat to death but here is my take on the Vegas shows,if anyone cares.

Back when this was first announced Stevie made a few statements about how the show was going to be,we all know what she said.
So the shows have came and went and there are mixed reactions.
The set was not much different.
She didn't take the mic out.(big deal)
The Shirts sucked.(agreed)
These are some of the arguements going on here.
Oh and some critic wasn't totally blown away as if we care.
On the plane ride over myself and some of the "real" fans were discussing how we think the show will go.
We all came to the conclusion that there would be a few surprises but not the entire set rearranged,which is what happened.
Guess what,we all loved the show and all had a great time.
There seem to be some people here that have a HUGE problem with the set list.Get over it.It's her show and she is gonna do what she wants.
So it wasn't to much different.She looked and sounded great.What do want to do? Have her shot?
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
I don't know many people here but it seems that all the negativity is coming from people who are not the real fans just trouble makers who have nothing better to do than come on a message board and steam others up.
That's all I got to say about that,and whoever doesn't like it,tough ****.


I was in Las Vegas for the Opening of "Dreams" at Ceasars Palace. I was so thrilled as I am a Vegas Native traveling from Los Angeles back to my home town to support Stevie.I was excited after hearing the Jim Ladd Interview that she was going all out in this Venue to create an evening never seen before.In the Interview she spoke of "pulling out old songs never or rarely performed live"..maybe Storms..maybe Sisters Of The Moon..maybe Highwayman..old Video Clips playing behind her...vintage costumes from past tours..and major production..taking full advantage of the huge IMAX Screens used currently by Celine & Elton. There were also several Interviews Stevie gave to local radio stations saying that "Talk To Me is my favorite Video and I intend to open the show with it."
Unfortunately none of the above occured.
Stevie was wonderful as always! She was in good voice despite dodging many high notes.
The set was brief..and there were really no surprises for anyone who follows her solo set lists.
The Highlights were If Anyone Falls..were she used a brief ballet clip from the video and her Finale of Beauty & The Beast..(her best performance of the evening).She had a cool opening clip from I Can't Wait Video..(breaking through the wall). Other than that 90% of the show
was her usual set list. She was only shown once on the large screen towards the end..which I found odd..I would have preferred to see her than the psycadelic projections behind her through most of the show. She did not spin at all..not even on Stand Back..not one. No Boots.And she never even mentioned anything about being in Las Vegas.There were no new or old costumes. Only black. Lori looked and sounded amazing as did the whole band!!! It was great to see Waddy Wachtel up there again! I have seen every Stevie solo & FM show..I love, admire and respect her tremendously and always will. It seemed thrown together very fast. What was promised and what was delivered were two different things.

[catinthedark]

[QUOTE=sodascouts]Why are you guys wasting your time? This person is obviously not for real. You're providing entertainment for a poser who's stirring up crap and then laughing at you for getting upset. There really are people that lame. Don't fall for their trick.

THIS IS MY ORIGINAL REVIEW:


I was in Las Vegas for the Opening of "Dreams" at Ceasars Palace. I was so thrilled as I am a Vegas Native traveling from Los Angeles back to my home town to support Stevie.I was excited after hearing the Jim Ladd Interview that she was going all out in this Venue to create an evening never seen before.In the Interview she spoke of "pulling out old songs never or rarely performed live"..maybe Storms..maybe Sisters Of The Moon..maybe Highwayman..old Video Clips playing behind her...vintage costumes from past tours..and major production..taking full advantage of the huge IMAX Screens used currently by Celine & Elton. There were also several Interviews Stevie gave to local radio stations saying that "Talk To Me is my favorite Video and I intend to open the show with it."
Unfortunately none of the above occured.
Stevie was wonderful as always! She was in good voice despite dodging many high notes.
The set was brief..and there were really no surprises for anyone who follows her solo set lists.
The Highlights were If Anyone Falls..were she used a brief ballet clip from the video and her Finale of Beauty & The Beast..(her best performance of the evening).She had a cool opening clip from I Can't Wait Video..(breaking through the wall). Other than that 90% of the show
was her usual set list. She was only shown once on the large screen towards the end..which I found odd..I would have preferred to see her than the psycadelic projections behind her through most of the show. She did not spin at all..not even on Stand Back..not one. No Boots.And she never even mentioned anything about being in Las Vegas.There were no new or old costumes. Only black. Lori looked and sounded amazing as did the whole band!!! It was great to see Waddy Wachtel up there again! I have seen every Stevie solo & FM show..I love, admire and respect her tremendously and always will. It seemed thrown together very fast. What was promised and what was delivered were two different things.

Yeah, Nice try. Here's your first post (simply a copy of part of a review):

May 16, 2005

A Legit Review From Critic Who Was There!
By Spencer Patterson

LAS VEGAS SUN

For me, however, Friday's concert felt a bit lacking, failing to live up to the potential of matching a first-rate performer with an exceptional venue.

In pre-show interviews, Nicks promised to deliver a visually spectacular set, taking advantage of the massive Colosseum stage and giant LED screen.

Instead, she and her band grouped near the middle of the stage in a relatively bare arrangement and used a scaled-back video screen -- in the shape of a half-circle -- with mixed results.

And here's your second post:

THE POINT IS OBVIOUS ....Stevie did not fair well in Vegas..despite much PROPAGANDA
that she did!!! I agree with The Las Vegas Sun Critic..AS I WAS THERE! Stevie promised a show that she simply could not deliver! It was a total REHASH! NOTHING NEW..NO RISKS!!! I also paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see it! BEAUTY & THE BEAST..BIG DEAL..SHE THREW US A CRUMB..WE DESERVED A FEAST!!!
CASE CLOSED!
P.S. Opening Night was 70% Full..LOTS OF EMPTY SEATS!

Like I said, nice try.

Buh bye.

[High Priestess]

[QUOTE=High Priestess]

Yeah, Nice try. Here's your first post (simply a copy of part of a review):

May 16, 2005

A Legit Review From Critic Who Was There!
By Spencer Patterson

LAS VEGAS SUN

For me, however, Friday's concert felt a bit lacking, failing to live up to the potential of matching a first-rate performer with an exceptional venue.

In pre-show interviews, Nicks promised to deliver a visually spectacular set, taking advantage of the massive Colosseum stage and giant LED screen.

Instead, she and her band grouped near the middle of the stage in a relatively bare arrangement and used a scaled-back video screen -- in the shape of a half-circle -- with mixed results.

And here's your second post:

THE POINT IS OBVIOUS ....Stevie did not fair well in Vegas..despite much PROPAGANDA
that she did!!! I agree with The Las Vegas Sun Critic..AS I WAS THERE! Stevie promised a show that she simply could not deliver! It was a total REHASH! NOTHING NEW..NO RISKS!!! I also paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see it! BEAUTY & THE BEAST..BIG DEAL..SHE THREW US A CRUMB..WE DESERVED A FEAST!!!
CASE CLOSED!
P.S. Opening Night was 70% Full..LOTS OF EMPTY SEATS!

Like I said, nice try.

Buh bye.
Cat
You are obviously an uneducated CHILD..keeping score. Those were subsequent postings honey..so get your facts straight! That was my original review. Period. Everyone freaked out because I spoke the truth about what really happened In vegas! I stand by every post..now go put on your floaties and swim to the other end of the pool..YOU ARE IN OVER YOUR HEAD!!! MEOW!

[High Priestess]

[QUOTE=High Priestess]

Yeah, Nice try. Here's your first post (simply a copy of part of a review):

May 16, 2005

A Legit Review From Critic Who Was There!
By Spencer Patterson

LAS VEGAS SUN

For me, however, Friday's concert felt a bit lacking, failing to live up to the potential of matching a first-rate performer with an exceptional venue.

In pre-show interviews, Nicks promised to deliver a visually spectacular set, taking advantage of the massive Colosseum stage and giant LED screen.

Instead, she and her band grouped near the middle of the stage in a relatively bare arrangement and used a scaled-back video screen -- in the shape of a half-circle -- with mixed results.

And here's your second post:

THE POINT IS OBVIOUS ....Stevie did not fair well in Vegas..despite much PROPAGANDA
that she did!!! I agree with The Las Vegas Sun Critic..AS I WAS THERE! Stevie promised a show that she simply could not deliver! It was a total REHASH! NOTHING NEW..NO RISKS!!! I also paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see it! BEAUTY & THE BEAST..BIG DEAL..SHE THREW US A CRUMB..WE DESERVED A FEAST!!!
CASE CLOSED!
P.S. Opening Night was 70% Full..LOTS OF EMPTY SEATS!

Like I said, nice try.

Buh bye.
Look everyone lil Cat learned how to cut and paste at school today..goood giiirl :laugh:

[High Priestess]

[QUOTE=High Priestess]

Yeah, Nice try. Here's your first post (simply a copy of part of a review):

May 16, 2005

A Legit Review From Critic Who Was There!
By Spencer Patterson

LAS VEGAS SUN

For me, however, Friday's concert felt a bit lacking, failing to live up to the potential of matching a first-rate performer with an exceptional venue.

In pre-show interviews, Nicks promised to deliver a visually spectacular set, taking advantage of the massive Colosseum stage and giant LED screen.

Instead, she and her band grouped near the middle of the stage in a relatively bare arrangement and used a scaled-back video screen -- in the shape of a half-circle -- with mixed results.

And here's your second post:

THE POINT IS OBVIOUS ....Stevie did not fair well in Vegas..despite much PROPAGANDA
that she did!!! I agree with The Las Vegas Sun Critic..AS I WAS THERE! Stevie promised a show that she simply could not deliver! It was a total REHASH! NOTHING NEW..NO RISKS!!! I also paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see it! BEAUTY & THE BEAST..BIG DEAL..SHE THREW US A CRUMB..WE DESERVED A FEAST!!!
CASE CLOSED!
P.S. Opening Night was 70% Full..LOTS OF EMPTY SEATS!

Like I said, nice try.

Buh bye.
I guess I'm a Rock Star..We are not nice!!! :D

[Janet]

Again, ahem, Star Wars ROCKS!!!

[Kelly]

Johnny Stew...I agree with Lux, how and why is this person not banned yet? Certainly she has racked up three strikes with the amount of personal insults she has been hurling. That is not even including the baiting etc. Lux has two strikes and I do not recall her ever calling anyone a slut, a hoe, a child neglecter, yada yada.
The saddest thing HP has posted is that Stevie could actually learn something from her hurtful, meaningless meanderings. Imagine that? She thinks she has offered Stevie constructive criticism. She feels it is morally wrong to hurt Stevie by listening to her demos..even when Stevie said she was ok with us knowing Sorcerer from years ago! Y So, we have compassion for the demos, but no compassion or empathy for Stevie regarding the Vegas shows whatsoever. Hypocritical much?
Ooopss..sorry back to the Star Wars discussion! I thought the love scenes in the Sith were atrocious! Yikes....the most unbelievable acting of the flick.

[GateandGarden]

Johnny Stew...I agree with Lux, how and why is this person not banned yet? Certainly she has racked up three strikes with the amount of personal insults she has been hurling. That is not even including the baiting etc. Lux has two strikes and I do not recall her ever calling anyone a slut, a hoe, a child neglecter, yada yada.
The saddest thing HP has posted is that Stevie could actually learn something from her hurtful, meaningless meanderings. Imagine that? She thinks she has offered Stevie constructive criticism. She feels it is morally wrong to hurt Stevie by listening to her demos..even when Stevie said she was ok with us knowing Sorcerer from years ago! Y So, we have compassion for the demos, but no compassion or empathy for Stevie regarding the Vegas shows whatsoever. Hypocritical much?And in addition to the sorcere thing...I heard the bootleg on which she performed POTU and she prefaced it by saying "Some of you probably know this song already" or something to that effect. She didn't really sound mad; it sounded to me like it was something she was allowing herself to laugh about. :shrug:

I'm all out of stuff to say about Star Wars. Sorry! :laugh:

[kato]

I am really starting to feel sorry for this girl,I guess it's a girl.
It is now 10:15 Saturday morning and I notice that she has been sitting in front of the pc all night long posting a response to just about every post in this thread and repeating herself over and over,it really is quite pathetic.
Listen up people when ever you find yourself having a bad day or get down or yourself just think of this and thank God you aren't her and you will feel much better about yourself.

[dissention]

I'm all out of stuff to say about Star Wars. Sorry! :laugh:

Then maybe Nancy or Janet can tell me if the doc on the bonus disc of the DVD set is worth watching, dammit. :laugh:

[catinthedark]

How is it that they're not banned? Maybe it's simply because it's the middle of the night over there. I know from the two strikes I'm sitting on that it only takes someone making a legitimate complaint for a strike. Surely they're all up? I feel like giving them some change, like with others who wander in circles talking to themself.

Bwahahaha. My thoughts exactly.

I gotta say, I'm taking no offense from any of the hurlin'. I mean, look, I just got THREE responses to my one little post. I'm feeling quite proud. Quite honoured. :lol: And as Lux points out, it's really more a pity thing I'm feeling for HP. That she/he has nothing better to do with her life. That really is quite sad.

Oh, and I haven't seen Star Wars yet.

[Serrart]

Actually, I either read an article, or saw an interview with him where he said that he called and begged to be in the movie, and that they wrote the character in for him. I guess he had loved the previous films and wanted to be part of it.

I had no idea, so probably he was only too happy to be in it to remember he was supposed to portray someone. Oh well, he remains a great actor.

Romy

[Serrart]

How is it that they're not banned? Maybe it's simply because it's the middle of the night over there. I know from the two strikes I'm sitting on that it only takes someone making a legitimate complaint for a strike. Surely they're all up? I feel like giving them some change, like with others who wander in circles talking to themself.

What I find peculiar it's the use in the landslide of posts of "pluralis maiestatis"...
Allons enfants de la patrie... ;)

Romy

[DrummerDeanna]

Yeah so Star War III did, indeed, KICK A$$....I? LOVED IT!!! :blob1:

[Serrart]

Yeah so Star War III did, indeed, KICK A$$....I? LOVED IT!!! :blob1:

And It also has the new record at the box office. I guess now Lucas will make that tv series about it. :nod:

Romy

[David]

[QUOTE=catinthedark]
Cat
You are obviously an uneducated CHILD..keeping score. Those were subsequent postings honey..so get your facts straight! That was my original review. Period. Everyone freaked out because I spoke the truth about what really happened In vegas! I stand by every post..now go put on your floaties and swim to the other end of the pool..YOU ARE IN OVER YOUR HEAD!!! MEOW!Why do you keep meowing?

[sodascouts]

Then maybe Nancy or Janet can tell me if the doc on the bonus disc of the DVD set is worth watching, dammit. :laugh: The doc is, but not the piece promoting Ep.3. Like I need to see Hayden going "I get to wear the suit! WAY COOL!!!" :rolleyes:

[dissention]

The doc is, but not the piece promoting Ep.3. Like I need to see Hayden going "I get to wear the suit! WAY COOL!!!" :rolleyes:

I watched that last night and if it weren't for his gorgeous face, it would have been totally without merit. :laugh: There is no entertainment value in watching him and Ewan McGregor practice their big duel, nor is their any in watching the tech dorks talk about how asymmetrical the original mask was. That thing was dull dull dull beyond belief.

[strandinthewind]

. . . the tech dorks talk . . . .

HEY BUCKO - I am a little bit of a tech dork my self :eek: :p

[dissention]

HEY BUCKO - I am a little bit of a tech dork my self :eek: :p

Sorry, love, that stuff bores the hell out of me. :laugh: I was falling asleep when they were showing the Vader mask being cut and shellacked and painted. Though I did get a kick out of seeing that cast of Hayden's head. I want a cast of my head before I die, dammit. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I want a cast of my head before I die, dammit.Hendrix apparently said the same thing.

[glitter_fades]

Hendrix apparently said the same thing.


:eek: :lol:

[rianbay1]

After wading deeper into this thread, I decided to delete 2 of my posts in response to HP just out of sheer terror...I spy with my little eye someone who needs a padded room. :lol: Egads. I have a bad habit of posting responses after reading 1 or 2 pages into a 16 page thread. :rolleyes: Lesson learned.

However, I will simply say this...
I went to Friday & Saturday's LV shows. After hearing about SOME peoples dismay (maybe just HP's, I'm not sure at this point) after Tuesday's show, I went with fairly low expectations. I walked away from those two shows (Saturday's especially) remembering why I fell in love with Stevie Nicks in the first place.

On with the Star Wars discussion! :D


Brian

[GODDESS6]

we r goin' 2 c star wars on friday, i can't wait, i have a thing 4 yoda!!! :thumbsup: :laugh: :nod: :lol: ~