Star Wars Episode III is awesome [Archive]

DrummerDeanna

05-18-2005, 01:12 PM

Oy, I'll wait for this weekend because the crazies will be out in full-force the first couple of days. I remember when I saw The Phantom Menace back in '99, cripes. I wanted to beat some of them over the head with their plastic lightsabers. That's why I only saw Attack of the Clones for the first time a few days ago, I didn't want to see it in the theater. But the new one? Looks yummy enough for me to go see it.

Actually I've become much more patient these days in terms of waiting to see movies :nod: when the first two came out? I HAD to see them opening night - same with the Harry Potters...

Now? I really don't actually mind waiting too much :D

Although - the bits I'm seeing from EP III just have me drooling to see it....

Ah well my aversion to crowds AND crazies will probably keep me waiting til NEXT week anyway...

jbrownsjr

05-18-2005, 06:40 PM

cool! :nod: :woohoo: :nod:

ryan8472

05-18-2005, 06:55 PM

I can't wait to see it.....unfortunatly, I probably won't get the chance until next week. :(

No spoilers plz! Tho we all know what happens...

Dark Angel

05-18-2005, 07:41 PM

ontheEdgeof17

05-18-2005, 08:07 PM

No spoilers plz! Tho we all know what happens...

I don't. I have never seen a Star Wars flick. Does that make me UnAmerican?

GypsySorcerer

05-18-2005, 08:09 PM

I don't. I have never seen a Star Wars flick. Does that make me UnAmerican?

Me neither, save a few scenes from the first one. I just have no interest.

GardenStateGirlie

05-18-2005, 08:30 PM

I don't. I have never seen a Star Wars flick. Does that make me UnAmerican?

Merf made me watch one of them...I thought they kind of dragged the film out :shrug: Not a fan.

dissention

05-18-2005, 08:34 PM

I wanted to go the midnight showing tonight, but tickets are sold out. :( No I have to wait till tomorrow. I'm taking my four year-old, so this should be interesting. :lol: Is it sad that she already wants all the Star Wars toys? :laugh:

Ha! I called six of the theaters in my area about an hour ago and got sick of hearing they were sold out, so I just bought tix online for Saturday.

Have fun. :)

Dark Angel

05-18-2005, 10:10 PM

Ha! I called six of the theaters in my area about an hour ago and got sick of hearing they were sold out, so I just bought tix online for Saturday.

Have fun. :)

I tried buying online, and even all those for the midnight showing were gone. Here's hoping for better luck tomorrow. :thumbsup:
Btw...Ditto! :)

dissention

05-18-2005, 10:13 PM

I tried buying online, and even all those for the midnight showing were gone. Here's hoping for better luck tomorrow. :thumbsup:
Btw...Ditto! :)

Thanks! :xoxo:

The earliest I showing I could find was Saturday after five, every other one was sold out at the sites I checked, so I grabbed it. I kind of get a kick out of having to search for seats to see a freaking movie, as if it's some hot-selling concert. :laugh:

estranged4life

05-19-2005, 12:37 PM

dissention

05-19-2005, 12:56 PM

were showing people lined up outside the large theaters in downtown OKC to watch Snore Wars 3-Lucas Ran Outta Ideas, I meant the newest Star Wars movie...

Glad I'm not a fan, Havent watched a Star Wars movie since the one ("Return of the Lazy Eye") with the hairy trolls in it (aka the f**kin Ewoks)

Brian "Havent decided which I hate worse, Snore Wars or Snore Trek...MST3K rulz!!!" j.

Well...I like them. :laugh:

I'm a late convert. Never was a big fan of them (even though I had the two Ewok movies when I was little :eek: ), then I saw Episode I in the theater and thought it was okay but nothing special. I just watched Episode II not long ago and loved it, so I've been watching the old ones and realized how good they are. I? Am salivating to see the new one. It looks great and I've heard it's one of the best.

estranged4life

05-19-2005, 01:01 PM

Well...I like them. :laugh:

I'm a late convert. Never was a big fan of them (even though I had the two Ewok movies when I was little :eek: ), then I saw Episode I in the theater and thought it was okay but nothing special. I just watched Episode II not long ago and loved it, so I've been watching the old ones and realized how good they are. I? Am salivating to see the new one. It looks great and I've heard it's one of the best.

That you like 'em, I once was a fan, Now I hate it (Have yet to see any of the 'prequels' nor do I want to...) as much as Star Drek!

Especially annoying is all the marketing tie-ins to the movie, Which grate my nerves to no end...Lucas must be in need of the almighty $$$$ moreso than any :nod:

dissention

05-19-2005, 01:03 PM

That you like 'em, I once was a fan, Now I hate it (Have yet to see any of the 'prequels' nor do I want to...) as much as Star Drek!

Especially annoying is all the marketing tie-ins to the movie, Which grate my nerves to no end...Lucas must be in need of the almighty $$$$ moreso than any :nod:

Lucas is a whore. I just read yesterday that he's going to be releasing all six Star Wars movies together in a box set in 3-D. :laugh: How absurd.

DrummerDeanna

05-19-2005, 01:06 PM

Lucas is a whore. I just read yesterday that he's going to be releasing all six Star Wars movies together in a box set in 3-D. :laugh: How absurd.

I KNEW There'd be some over-priced crazy big DVD box-set :rolleyes:

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On the happy side I am going on Friday *I hope* :blob1:

estranged4life

05-19-2005, 01:07 PM

Lucas is a whore. I just read yesterday that he's going to be releasing all six Star Wars movies together in a box set in 3-D. :laugh: How absurd.

is gonna milk the nerds for their parents cash the same way the multiple DVD versions of LOTR did...Big yawn!

macfanken

05-19-2005, 01:19 PM

I KNEW There'd be some over-priced crazy big DVD box-set :rolleyes:

Ha! He'll probably mess with the originals again before he releases the Big Box Set. I wish he had left them alone and released the first three on DVD as they were originally, no Special Editions, no new effects, etc. He doesn't get that part of the charm of the first three was that they weren't perfect. Grrr... I really do hate George Lucas! :laugh:

WizNicks

05-19-2005, 06:54 PM

ryan8472

05-19-2005, 06:57 PM

Wow!
Amazing movie! Probably the best of all three! But it was really bad when there were the 2 parallel fights (Joda & Darth Sidius and Obi-Wan & Anakin) and you know that all 4 will survive! Anyone wanna know how it ends? :laugh:
My friend already told me. :mad: :distress: But I pretty much assumed the movie would end the way it does.

dissention

05-19-2005, 07:03 PM

My friend already told me. :mad: :distress: But I pretty much assumed the movie would end the way it does.

What an ass. :laugh: But, then again, is anyone really going to be surprised? It's just like Titanic, we know how the bloody thing is going to end.

I can't tell you how much I'm fighting the urge to download it...

Janet

05-19-2005, 07:05 PM

ryan8472

05-19-2005, 07:10 PM

It's sold out until Sunday around here...and I'm sure it will keep being that way.

I want to see it but I guess I'll have to wait until July or something LOL. I hear it's really good, way up there with Empire and the original.
I really hope so. Empire Strikes Back is a masterpiece. :nod: It'd be awesome if Ep. III is just as good. According to my friend, it is. :D

WizNicks

05-19-2005, 07:12 PM

I was at the premiere in my city (we only have one cinema) and it was only like 50 people there (it has about 200 seats)! So it was okay here!

dissention

05-19-2005, 07:21 PM

I was at the premiere in my city (we only have one cinema) and it was only like 50 people there (it has about 200 seats)! So it was okay here!

Must not be as a big phenomenon in Germany, I suppose. A web design company that my friend works for treats all of it's employees to seeing each Star Wars movie when it comes out, complete with soda and popcorn. :laugh:

Amy Y

05-19-2005, 07:57 PM

Whooo-hooooo!!! I just watched III. Wow wow wow wow wow!!! That was amazing. I couldn't stand 1 & 2, but whooo, was this one great! I was bawling during the fight between Darth and Obi.

I can't decided which one I love the best, #3 or #6.

I was a late Jedi bloomer, too. The first Star Wars I watched was the first episode. I'm so glad that I was convinced to watch the other episodes, or else I wouldn't have seen the third today, and wouldn't be as happy as I am right now.

:blob2: :thumbsup:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 11:11 PM

'Star Wars' midnight showings total $16.5 million
Thursday May 19 8:34 PM ET

The grand finale to the "Star Wars" saga opened in sold-out theaters on Thursday to legions of fans dressed in their Jedi finest, generating an estimated $16.5 million at debut midnight showings alone.

The unprecedented tally reported by distributor 20th Century Fox from some 2,900 midnight screenings fueled anticipation that "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith" would mark one of the biggest film openings of all time.

An official studio estimate for the entire first day of the movie was not expected until Friday. And Paul Dergarabedian, president of box office tracking service Exhibitor Relations, said there was nothing to compare it to.

"This is a huge number," he added. "It portends a huge opening day number. I think the sky's the limit right now."

At the same time, the blistering pace of advance ticket orders accelerated. One leading online and telephone box office service, Fandango Inc., reported that tickets to "Revenge of the Sith" were selling at a record rate of six per second, up from four per second on Wednesday.

The top distribution executive for News Corp.-owned Fox, Bruce Snyder, said he "would be pleased" if "Sith" matched the $110 million grossed by its immediate predecessor, "Attack of the Clones," through its first weekend.

Some box office analysts said "Sith," by virtue of its generally superior reviews and status as the final chapter in George Lucas' "Star Wars" double trilogy, could surpass the opening-weekend tally of "Clones."

"Sith" also opened on more screens -- some 9,400 domestic prints in all -- than any previous installment in the "Star Wars" franchise, and ticket prices have climbed since "Clones" came out three years ago.

Experts said they expected "Sith" to easily gross between $35 million and $40 million on its first day in North American theaters alone. That would put it in the same league as "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" "The Matrix Reloaded," "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," "Spider-Man" and its sequel.

By comparison, "Attack of the Clones," which also opened on a Thursday, grossed $30.1 million its first day.

"Spider-Man 2" boasts the biggest first-day box office ever, $40.4 million, while "Shrek 2" holds the record for highest single-day gross -- $44.8 million earned in its fourth day of release. The original "Spider-Man" is the all-time weekend box office champ, grossing nearly $115 million in its first Friday-through-Sunday frame.

In the vacuum of official estimates of first-day business for "Sith," advance ticket orders offered the best evidence that the film was a blockbuster in the making.

"There are hundreds of sold-out shows across America, and demand is increasing, not subsiding," Fandango Chief Executive Art Levitt told Reuters. "It has picked up significantly even over yesterday's sales, and with this momentum (the sales rate) could grow even higher tomorrow."

The brisk pace of advance sales and the sight of "Star Wars" devotees lined up in costumes hours before midnight showings warmed the hearts of Hollywood executives everywhere looking for "Sith" to snap a 12-week box office lull.

Both Fandango and rival Moviefone.com said "Sith" has accounted for some 98 percent of all advance ticket orders during the past two days.

Moviefone.com said its movie trailer for "Sith" has been streamed 3.1 million times from its Web site, more than double the number of "Return of the King" two years ago.

wondergirl9847

05-19-2005, 11:31 PM

Lucas is a whore. I just read yesterday that he's going to be releasing all six Star Wars movies together in a box set in 3-D. :laugh: How absurd.

Frickin frack! I can't get Wings on frickin DVD, but they are putting out this on DVD in 3D....bite me. :mad:

Moony

05-19-2005, 11:34 PM

trackaghost

05-20-2005, 04:55 AM

is gonna milk the nerds for their parents cash the same way the multiple DVD versions of LOTR did...Big yawn!

I like LOTR and Star Wars :shrug: I guess I'm a nerd according to you.
A big yawn to you but a little bit of happiness for others.

WizNicks

05-20-2005, 08:25 AM

A cinema which was a few miles away showed the episodes I&II and then at midnight they showed episode III and afterwards for the hradcore fans they showed the "new" digital episodes IV&V&VI again! I actually wanted to do that, but then I remembered my Lord Of The Rings experience in 2003, where I had to see the first two movies at the premiere and slept during the third part!

estranged4life

05-20-2005, 11:01 AM

I like LOTR and Star Wars :shrug: I guess I'm a nerd according to you.

yer a nerd, just those folk who believe they should buy every known possible version of the movies that are released on video.

Dark Angel

05-20-2005, 05:21 PM

I went to see it yesterday, and absoloutely loved it! It's definitely the best of this trilogy, and I think I'm at the point where I think it even blows 'Empire' out of the water. :shocked:
Very dark, lots of action starting at the beginning, and going throughout, lots of emotions of all kinds, and I cried during some scenes. :o For those who have seen it, is it bad to be emphatic as to the main reason why Anakin wanted to learn the dark side of the Force? Then again, I doubt his vision would have come true had he not turned. :shrug:
All in all, an excellent movie, possibly the the best of both trilogies, and if I'm a Star Wars 'nerd', so be it. :p :laugh:

sodascouts

05-20-2005, 05:29 PM

I like the original three, (Empire Strikes back is my fav.), thought the newer two sucked mucho asso, but I'm still excited to see this one. I wanna see it tmw, but who knows with the lines and such.

I'm glad to see that a lot of you ledgies liked it though, it's encouraging.

I felt the same way - as much as I adored the originals, that was how much I hated the prequels. But this one was much better, although of course nothing compared to the REAL Star Wars movies. I wasn't able to get the midnight showing (sold out) but by getting my tickets three weeks in advance, I was able to go on opening day.

Yes, I am geek, and PROUD OF IT, and all those who look down on me can SUCK IT. ;)

SuzeQuze

05-20-2005, 11:33 PM

I felt the same way - as much as I adored the originals, that was how much I hated the prequels. But this one was much better, although of course nothing compared to the REAL Star Wars movies. I wasn't able to get the midnight showing (sold out) but by getting my tickets three weeks in advance, I was able to go on opening day.

Yes, I am geek, and PROUD OF IT, and all those who look down on me can SUCK IT. ;)

:gasp: Nancy! Such language! ;) I never thought I would like Star Wars, when I was a girl and it came out I had no interest. But I finally did see it and loved it. Episodes 1 and 2, not so much. Although 2 was neat at the Imax. I did enjoy them, they just didn't reach me as deeply as the others. I am looking forward to this one. :nod:

CreepingDeath

05-20-2005, 11:44 PM

I like LOTR and Star Wars :shrug: I guess I'm a nerd according to you.
A big yawn to you but a little bit of happiness for others.

Same here. Not Star Wars as much (Hayden is very yummy though), but I do love me some LOTR. :thumbsup:

seeker007nmss

05-21-2005, 01:01 AM

It's sold out until Sunday around here...and I'm sure it will keep being that way.

I want to see it but I guess I'll have to wait until July or something LOL. I hear it's really good, way up there with Empire and the original.

I went today (friday) while my car was being repaired. Only 8 of us in the theatre. 10:25am show. LAs Vegas must not be a Star Wars headquarters city I guess. :shrug:

I went to the grocery store afterwards... Good Lord star wars is a TON of products from cereal to crackers to you name it!

Moony

05-21-2005, 02:03 AM

Yes, I am geek, and PROUD OF IT, and all those who look down on me can SUCK IT. ;)
Me too, though I'm strictly a LOTR geek. :laugh: I'm OBSESSED with that chit. I'm just a casual movie fan of SW.

estranged4life

05-21-2005, 02:14 AM

and I will clarify again I dont think anyone is a nerd for liking either Star Wars or LOTR (I was once a Star Wars fan...I still prefer the original 3 movies over the prequels).

Moony

05-21-2005, 02:52 AM

and I will clarify again I dont think anyone is a nerd for liking either Star Wars or LOTR (I was once a Star Wars fan...I still prefer the original 3 movies over the prequels).
I wouldn't worry about it, Brian. I dont' think anyone was taking it that way :)

:wavey:

dissention

05-21-2005, 10:49 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/film_star_wars_box_office

'Star Wars' Breaks Single-Day Sales Mark

LOS ANGELES - The last of the "Star Wars" movies has done what no movie in history has ever accomplished — sold $50 million worth of tickets in a single day.

"Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith" grossed $50,013,859 from showings at 3,661 theaters and more than 9,000 screens around the country on Thursday, including special midnight shows, according to box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations. That beat the one-day record set in May 2004 by "Shrek 2," which sold $44.8 million on a single Saturday — its fourth day in theaters.

"It's staggering," said Bruce Snyder, president of domestic distribution at Twentieth Century Fox. "It's probably 20 percent more than I thought we could do."

The George Lucas film, which features the transformation of Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker into the evil Darth Vader, also beat the opening day record held by "Spider-Man 2," which grossed $40.4 million when it opened on a Wednesday last June.

"Fifty million is a good opening weekend, let alone a single day," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Exhibitor Relations. "This is the box office equivalent of a 100-year flood."

The news comes as a relief to Hollywood, which has seen a box office slump for 12 straight weeks.

Theater owners, studios and marketing partners had their hopes pinned on "Star Wars," to kick-start the summer movie season and they weren't disappointed.

The film debuted on 2,900 screens at midnight Thursday. The take from that one showing alone was $16.5 million, which beat the previous record of $8 million set by "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" in 2003.

Thursday's take dwarfed the next highest film, and last week's box office champ, "Monster-in-Law," starring Jane Fonda and Jennifer Lopez. That film grossed $1.5 million on Thursday, according to BoxOfficeMojo.com.

It is almost assured "Star Wars" will push past the $100 million mark for its opening weekend. The record for a three-day weekend is held by the first "Spider-Man," which grossed $114.8 million in May 2002.

DrummerDeanna

05-21-2005, 11:50 AM

IT is F***ING AWESOME!!!!!

OMG...I can't wait to see it again :nod: I enjoyed it so much - def. the best one yet (out of the prequels)

CreepingDeath

05-21-2005, 02:29 PM

I wouldn't worry about it, Brian. I dont' think anyone was taking it that way :)

:wavey:

Agreed.

I admit my love for LOTR is very geeky. :nod: So, no worries, Brian.

estranged4life

05-21-2005, 03:30 PM

is what I consider a nerd:

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dissention

05-21-2005, 04:01 PM

IT is F***ING AWESOME!!!!!

OMG...I can't wait to see it again :nod: I enjoyed it so much - def. the best one yet (out of the prequels)

Gah, how depressing. o_O Utterly fabulous movie, but I cry at everything these days it seems and this was no exception. It was just so so so sad, I couldn't help it. :laugh:

Definitely the best of the prequels and close to my favorite one. Natalie Portman looked so beautiful with that long curly hair and for once I loved Ewan McGregor. Hayden looked the hottest I've ever seen him, too, and there was actually some good acting in a Star Wars movie. Go figure. Lucas certainly saved the best prequel for last, it blew away the other two.

DrummerDeanna

05-21-2005, 04:33 PM

Gah, how depressing. o_O Utterly fabulous movie, but I cry at everything these days it seems and this was no exception. It was just so so so sad, I couldn't help it. :laugh:

Definitely the best of the prequels and close to my favorite one. Natalie Portman looked so beautiful with that long curly hair and for once I loved Ewan McGregor. Hayden looked the hottest I've ever seen him, too, and there was actually some good acting in a Star Wars movie. Go figure. Lucas certainly saved the best prequel for last, it blew away the other two.

OMG - same here - I totally cried :nod:

It was the best prequel by far - I think I'll just sort of disregard the other two :laugh:

Glad you enjoyed it - I had a nerd "breakdown of how this movie fits w/ eps 4-6" talk with the friend I went with last night...

I was a pretty big Star Wars geek in high school - it still comes out once in a while :p

dissention

05-21-2005, 04:46 PM

OMG - same here - I totally cried :nod:

It was the best prequel by far - I think I'll just sort of disregard the other two :laugh:

Glad you enjoyed it - I had a nerd "breakdown of how this movie fits w/ eps 4-6" talk with the friend I went with last night...

I was a pretty big Star Wars geek in high school - it still comes out once in a while :p

*SPOILERS*

I wept like a baby when Anakin was burning alive and Obi Wan said "You were like a brother, I loved you," and then Anakin cried and screamed "I hate you!"

Gah, I'm such a dork. :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 05:06 PM

*SPOILERS*

I wept like a baby when Anakin was burning alive and Obi Wan said "You were like a brother, I loved you," and then Anakin cried and screamed "I hate you!"

Gah, I'm such a dork. :laugh:

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The acting was HORRID and that, for want of a better term, "dialogue" OY :shocked: - but I liked the movie and thought it was cool.

BTW - does anyone remember if Chewy ever referenced knowing Yoda or vice vera in the first three edisodes?

Serrart

05-21-2005, 05:22 PM

OMG - same here - I totally cried :nod:

It was the best prequel by far - I think I'll just sort of disregard the other two :laugh:

Glad you enjoyed it - I had a nerd "breakdown of how this movie fits w/ eps 4-6" talk with the friend I went with last night...

I was a pretty big Star Wars geek in high school - it still comes out once in a while :p

Apparently there are still 20 years that need to be covered. According to the producer Rick McCallum, they're probably going to do it an a TV series of something like 100 episodes. Lucas would decide in 3-4 months if the project would start.

Romy

thepoetinmyhear

05-21-2005, 06:14 PM

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The acting was HORRID and that, for want of a better term, "dialogue" OY :shocked: - but I liked the movie and thought it was cool.

BTW - does anyone remember if Chewy ever referenced knowing Yoda or vice vera in the first three edisodes?

Like c3p0 and Vader, Chewy and Yoda never have a scene together.

I saw the movie yesterday and here are my thoughts:

The most important part: I enjoyed Sith, it was entertaining. It works nicely just as a transition piece. Everything that had to happen in this installment, did.

It was not, however, a good film. There were no characters except for Anakin and Obi-wan. Everyone else relied on viewers to provide characterization from previous films which is all right sometimes, but in this case lines were essentially interchangeable between all characters that weren't anakin and obi-wan as long as the switching took place on the same sides (good or evil)

This "movie" was not really a movie but rather a collection of scenes that seemed to rattle off as George Lucas went through the list of things he had to resolve to tie the films (and cartoon) together:

1. Gotta resolve dooko (check)
2. Gotta resolve revelation of palpatine (check)
3. Anakin has to turn completely to dark side (check)...

There was no consistency. He moved from one item on the check list to the next without really working to tie it together. By doing so he did create an entertaining collection but not a film.

dissention

05-21-2005, 06:24 PM

dissention

05-21-2005, 06:43 PM

Did anyone see the trailer for Mr. and Mrs. Smith before Star Wars? I loathe to admit it, but it looks good. :laugh: Angelina Jolie looks absolutely jawdropping in it.

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 07:05 PM

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 07:06 PM

Did anyone see the trailer for Mr. and Mrs. Smith before Star Wars? I loathe to admit it, but it looks good. :laugh: Angelina Jolie looks absolutely jawdropping in it.

I did too - they are both just so beautiful, esp. her - though the story line looks contrived to me. I will see it though :cool:

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 07:08 PM

My review: (HAS SPOILERS)

I admit I’m not the biggest fan of the new trilogy and largely went to see them as an extension of my adoration of the original trilogy. The first one was laughably bad, with its 8-year old hero and climactic imitation of the Ben-Hur chariot race, only with digitization instead of drama. There was no real humor (unless you count the infamous JarJar Binks). The second one was better, but dull.

The third one had no dull moments and was emotionally affecting. It even had some really cute humor in the beginning (largely due to R2D2), reminiscent of all the laughs we got in the original trilogy. JarJar Binks was reduced to a one-minute non-speaking cameo (George Lucas heard our prayers)!

We all knew how it would end, that it would be tragic, so it says something that Lucas was still able to surprise me. I was curious as to how he would make us hate a character that we’d grown to care about (theoretically, at least. I hadn’t really grown to care much about Anakin in the previous movies because they were so flat). He did it effectively by having Anakin kill children without blinking and choke Padme, establishing that while his turn might have began as a quasi-noble romantic move, it was nothing like that in the end. The Dark side cannot coexist with true love, and I’m glad he took care to establish that. I was disappointed in the abruptness of the turn. Anakin’s killing of the Samuel Jackson character was contextually understandable, as was his immediate reaction: “What have I done?!” However, in the next second, it’s “I will do whatever you command. I pledge my allegiance” and he goes and kills some kids. I just don’t understand how he went from being remorseful to amoral in a heartbeat.

The romance was indeed flat, but at least I did feel something when Padme cried out “You’re breaking my heart!” Therefore, while there wasn’t much chemistry, at least the lack of it didn’t kill the emotional power.

In the previous prequels, the special effects had been largely gratuitous and distracting. Here, that was not the case. They enhanced rather than detracted from the plot. The opening fighter sequence, while not very believable (they just fly into the ship, no prob! Come on!) was very effective visually. The greatest visual coup was the fight over the lava. That was spectacular – very realistic. It was also suspenseful. I keep thinking that at any minute Anakin would fall into the lava, but in the end it was Kenobi who brought him down after all. The fire was only secondary, as horrifying as it was (I had to look away when the flames reached his face). I still don’t understand why Kenobi didn’t put him out of his misery then and there but oh well, I guess it was necessary for the plot (although they could have made him believe Anakin was dead, which would be more believable).

Consistency gripes:

1) If Chewbacca had seen the power of the Force through Yoda, why did he join Han in dissing Ben as an “old fossil” with a bunch of “socerer’s tricks”?

2) Why wasn’t R2D2’s memory wiped clean? If he knew so much, why didn’t he speak up at any time during the original trilogy? (I did appreciate the inclusion of Captain Antilles). And I know this is leftover from Ep. 2, but why does he have rocket blasters here? He didn't in Ep. 4-6. Not to mention that Obi-Wan claims never to have owned a droid, but we see him with an R-4 unit.

3) The biggest one: Having Padme die in childbirth, even though Leia talks about memories of her mother in ROTJ. “Beautiful but sad.” She didn’t get any more face time than Luke did, and I find it hard to believe she got those impressions in the milisecond where Padme named her.

Overall I was satisfied. I went in knowing it could never be as good as the originals, but in comparison with the other two and even other current sci-fi movies, it came out on top. Action-packed and moving, it gets my vote as a movie definitely worth seeing.

dissention

05-21-2005, 07:12 PM

I did too - they are both just so beautiful, esp. her - though the story line looks contrived to me. I will see it though :cool:

It looks like a complete rip-off of True Lies to me.

macfanken

05-21-2005, 07:12 PM

Again, compared to the previous two prequels, the acting was outstanding in this one, imo. I've yet to see a Star Wars movie with truly good acting, even the old ones. I mean, Mark Hamill in Return of the Jedi is painful and everyone comes off as amateurs because Lucas is such a bad director. Samuel L. Jackson was still horrific, though. Unwatchable. It's all due to Lucas because these are all talented and capable actors.

"The Empire Strikes Back" is the only Star Wars movie with decent acting IMO. I saw it recently on DVD, the first time I had seen it in years... compared to the new trilogy, the acting in "Empire" is almost Oscar-worthy! I think by "Return of the Jedi" most of the actors had gotten lazy in their roles or were under the influence of something and it definitely shows in their performances. As far as the new trilogy is concerned, all of the blame goes to Lucas... he really had some great, talented actors to work with. He seems to have a knack for getting the worst possible performance from his actors.

ps. I'm saying all of this without having seen the new movie... the theaters here are sold out until Monday. :distress:

Moony

05-21-2005, 07:12 PM

*SPOILERS*

I wept like a baby when Anakin was burning alive and Obi Wan said "You were like a brother, I loved you," and then Anakin cried and screamed "I hate you!"

Gah, I'm such a dork. :laugh:

OMG ME Too! I just saw it with my little bro.... awesome movie. I LOVED it. So sad and depressign though.

and for once I loved Ewan McGregor.
What? Can this be? *dies* Are you finally going to come around now ? ;)

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 07:13 PM

I did too - they are both just so beautiful, esp. her - though the story line looks contrived to me. I will see it though :cool:

I got kind of squeamish seeing Brad Pitt hit Angelina Jolie. I know they're supposed to be "evenly matched" and she was giving as good as she was getting, but it still makes me uncomfortable.

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 07:16 PM

thepoetinmyhear

05-21-2005, 07:16 PM

My review: (HAS SPOILERS)

3) The biggest one: Having Padme die in childbirth, even though Leia talks about memories of her mother in ROTJ. “Beautiful but sad.” She didn’t get any more face time than Luke did, and I find it hard to believe she got those impressions in the milisecond where Padme named her.

That one isn't even the biggest one for me as it could just be the way Leia's jedi-ness works. The biggest one for me is when Ben says (in ESB) "That boy is our last hope." and yoda responds, "no there is another." O-k-a-y, noe we see that Ben was actually AT the birth of the twins. Did he just forget suddenly?

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 07:17 PM

I though the Jimmy Smits character said to wipe the droids memories in that scene on the ship -- but I could be wrong here :cool:

He just said the protocol droid, unless I heard wrong.

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 07:18 PM

. . .
That one isn't even the biggest one for me as it could just be the way Leia's jedi-ness works. The biggest one for me is when Ben says (in ESB) "That boy is our last hope." and yoda responds, "no there is another." O-k-a-y, noe we see that Ben was actually AT the birth of the twins. Did he just forget suddenly?

I got the feeling when he said that in ESB that Ben knew and was thinking the same thing. But, it has been awhile since I saw it.

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 07:18 PM

That one isn't even the biggest one for me as it could just be the way Leia's jedi-ness works. The biggest one for me is when Ben says (in ESB) "That boy is our last hope." and yoda responds, "no there is another." O-k-a-y, noe we see that Ben was actually AT the birth of the twins. Did he just forget suddenly?

Good catch! Although maybe Ben is a sexist. ;)

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 07:19 PM

He just said the protocol droid, unless I heard wrong.

You probably heard it correctly and misheard the word protocol :cool: But, didn't R2 have something done to him by the sand people on Tatooine?

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 07:21 PM

You probably heard it correctly and misheard the word protocol :cool: But, didn't R2 have something done to him by the sand people on Tatooine?

They fitted him with a restraining bolt but that did not affect his memory. It simply forced him to comply with their remote-control gadget. lol

dissention

05-21-2005, 07:32 PM

OMG ME Too! I just saw it with my little bro.... awesome movie. I LOVED it. So sad and depressign though.

I felt a little uncomfortable watching it with three year olds in the audience, though. :cool:

What? Can this be? *dies* Are you finally going to come around now ? ;)

Never. I just thought he was good in it. ;)

dissention

05-21-2005, 07:40 PM

"The Empire Strikes Back" is the only Star Wars movie with decent acting IMO. I saw it recently on DVD, the first time I had seen it in years... compared to the new trilogy, the acting in "Empire" is almost Oscar-worthy! I think by "Return of the Jedi" most of the actors had gotten lazy in their roles or were under the influence of something and it definitely shows in their performances. As far as the new trilogy is concerned, all of the blame goes to Lucas... he really had some great, talented actors to work with. He seems to have a knack for getting the worst possible performance from his actors.

ps. I'm saying all of this without having seen the new movie... the theaters here are sold out until Monday. :distress:

He's much like Demille in that he couldn't direct an actor if his life depended on it. In the end, a bad performance is mostly due to the director and Lucas is the pits. Granted, it doesn't help that his actors have to spew out those horrid scripts that he writes. :eek: But I was pleasantly surprised with the acting in this new one, and hopefully you are, too.

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 07:41 PM

Serrart

05-21-2005, 07:46 PM

Did anyone see the trailer for Mr. and Mrs. Smith before Star Wars? I loathe to admit it, but it looks good. :laugh: Angelina Jolie looks absolutely jawdropping in it.

I've seen it on Apple site some days ago, and I have to say that Brad Pitt with a short haircut looks even more beautiful :thumbsup: , but as an actor unfortunately no improvements. The story doesn't seem that original (there's written True Lies all over it), but it looks funny, the tango scene was great and they're a stunning couple. Besides I've seen 3-Iron (one of my 2004 favourites) has been finally released there, did anyone see it?

Romy

DrummerDeanna

05-21-2005, 07:50 PM

I? HATE Angelina Jolie.

Just thought I'd share :D

Serrart

05-21-2005, 07:53 PM

[QUOTE=dissention]He's much like Demille in that he couldn't direct an actor if his life depended on it . . . . QUOTE]

IMO - he did MUCH better in the silents than in talkies - but he did pretty well in the non epic talkies :cool:

Well... he did well in Sunset Boulevard. Maybe he just needed someone directing him directing. :D

Romy

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 07:59 PM

Well... he did well in Sunset Boulevard. Maybe he just needed someone directing him directing. :D

Romy

One of my fav. movies EVER - Swanson was a case study in understated overstatement. She deserved to win the Oscar, but it went to Judy Holiday for "Born Yesterday," which she was great in, but come on Swanson was up for SB and Bette Davis for her brilliant performace and reciting of that brilliant, brilliant script in "All About Eve" :eek:

amber

05-21-2005, 08:05 PM

I? HATE Angelina Jolie.

Just thought I'd share :D
:xoxo: :xoxo: :thumbsup:

Serrart

05-21-2005, 08:07 PM

One of my fav. movies EVER - Swanson was a case study in understated overstatement. She deserved to win the Oscar, but it went to Judy Holiday for "Born Yesterday," which she was great in, but come on Swanson was up for SB and Bette Davis for her brilliant performace and reciting of that brilliant, brilliant script in "All About Eve" :eek:

One of my favourites too, it's one of those movies you're never tired of. I loved Swanson in it, but honestly for the Oscar I would have chosen Bette Davis. And Von Stroheim shuld have won too.

Romy

strandinthewind

05-21-2005, 08:11 PM

One of my favourites too, it's one of those movies you're never tired of. I loved Swanson in it, but honestly for the Oscar I would have chosen Bette Davis. And Von Stroheim shuld have won too.

Romy

BD was magnificent in AAE, but Swanson should have won it for her career, she had been nominated twice before - Sadie Thompson (first AA ever) and The Tresspaser (her first talkie which was a huge hit) - so, though BD was good, Swanson was on par and I think the career should have closed the deal for her. I think JH won because of the voting split BD and GS caused.

Serrart

05-21-2005, 08:23 PM

BD was magnificent in AAE, but Swanson should have won it for her career, she had been nominated twice before - Sadie Thompson (first AA ever) and The Tresspaser (her first talkie which was a huge hit) - so, though BD was good, Swanson was on par and I think the career should have closed the deal for her. I think JH won because of the voting split BD and GS caused.

I agree Swanson was totally on par with Davis, and strangely they were nominated for roles with a strong autobiographical component. It's just that emotionally Davis involved me more, her performance is just larger than life.

Romy

estranged4life

05-21-2005, 08:30 PM

I? HATE Angelina Jolie.

Just thought I'd share :D

cant say I ever cared for her either :nod:

strandinthewind

05-22-2005, 12:09 AM

I agree Swanson was totally on par with Davis, and strangely they were nominated for roles with a strong autobiographical component. It's just that emotionally Davis involved me more, her performance is just larger than life.

Romy

Most assuredly, Bette Davis played Margo Channing in a superb way. I think that year, it was just too hard a choice as they both deserved it. I also think had they both not been so generally disliked by their peers because they were considered tyrants, one would have won the statute.

GypsySorcerer

05-22-2005, 12:21 AM

Most assuredly, Bette Davis played Margo Channing in a superb way. I think that year, it was just too hard a choice as they both deserved it. I also think had they both not been so generally disliked by their peers because they were considered tyrants, one would have won the statute.

Bette deserved the Oscar for All About Eve, IMO. Celeste Holm also gave a great, understated performance in that flick. I need to get out that DVD and watch it again. :nod:

strandinthewind

05-22-2005, 12:24 AM

Bette deserved the Oscar for All About Eve, IMO. Celeste Holm also gave a great, understated performance in that flick. I need to get out that DVD and watch it again. :nod:

I know - I love it and both of their performaces. I also LOVED Marilyn Monroe's performance (she ALMOST upstages BD in the party scene :eek: ) and the guy who played Addison Dewitt was FAB., though he always played that kind of role.

As for the Oscar, I think Swanson deserved it more because Norma Desmond was a more complicated role that required more nuance to play than the power house all of time bravada of Margot Channing - and Swanson did it in spades - watch her hands in the scene where she is talking to a sleeping Joe Gillis about where he has been that night and how she needs him - no actual dialogue is required as the pleading with a sense of desparation and twisted psychosis is told via the hands. But, to be sure, both were undoubtably perfection - that is why I think the Academy Awards are a little silly sometimes.

GypsySorcerer

05-22-2005, 12:27 AM

I know - I love it and both of their performaces. I also LOVED Marilyn Monroe's performance (she ALMOST upstages BD in the party scene :eek: ) and the guy who played Addison Dewitt was FAB., though he always played that kind of role.

As for the Oscar, I think Swanson deserved it more because Norma Desmond was a mor complicated role that required more nuance to play than the power house all of time bravada of Margot Channing - and Swanson did it in spades. But, both were undoubtably perfection - that is why I think the Academy Awards are a little silly sometimes.

MM did a nice job.....you could already see the charisma she brougt to the screen. :thumbsup:

Swanson was great, no doubt. I still would go with Bette, though. But that's probably because I love Bette more.

The Oscars are silly. Their inability to honor a comedy drives me insane. :rolleyes:

strandinthewind

05-22-2005, 12:32 AM

. . .

The Oscars are silly. Their inability to honor a comedy drives me insane. :rolleyes:

ITA - I think the "serious" actors slight comedy because they know they cannot -- or at least few can - why you ask - well because comedy requires timining and nuance which are talents IMO beyond drama - which is also difficult.

GypsySorcerer

05-22-2005, 12:41 AM

ITA - I think the "serious" actors slight comedy because they know they cannot -- or at least few can - why you ask - well because comedy requires timining and nuance which are talents IMO beyond drama - which is also difficult.

Agreed. It's a crime that Paul Giamatti was not nominated for Sideways this year.

strandinthewind

05-22-2005, 12:44 AM

Agreed. It's a crime that Paul Giamatti was not nominated for Sideways this year.

Well, I fell asleep in Sideways and in general thought is amateurist and not worthy of much - though the scene when they visited his mother was fab. :laugh: But, many liked it - so what do I know :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-22-2005, 12:48 AM

Well, I fell asleep in Sideways and in general thought is amateurist and not worthy of much - though the scene when they visited his mother was fab. :laugh: But, many liked it - so what do I know :laugh:

Whatever will we do with you, Jason? :laugh: It's moved into my top ten favorite movies. :woohoo:

strandinthewind

05-22-2005, 12:59 AM

Whatever will we do with you, Jason? :laugh: It's moved into my top ten favorite movies. :woohoo:

I'm much more of a sweeping epic, rescue the girl while swinging on a vine kind of guy :eek: But, I really like all kinds of film, esp. film noir and things like John Waters who is just so out there for me :laugh:

trackaghost

05-22-2005, 09:22 AM

3) The biggest one: Having Padme die in childbirth, even though Leia talks about memories of her mother in ROTJ. “Beautiful but sad.” She didn’t get any more face time than Luke did, and I find it hard to believe she got those impressions in the milisecond where Padme named her.

I thought that too but was she just remembering her adopted mother? I need to go back and watch it again because I can't remember exactly what Luke asks her.

Dark Angel

05-22-2005, 05:57 PM

2) Why wasn’t R2D2’s memory wiped clean? If he knew so much, why didn’t he speak up at any time during the original trilogy? (I did appreciate the inclusion of Captain Antilles). And I know this is leftover from Ep. 2, but why does he have rocket blasters here? He didn't in Ep. 4-6. Not to mention that Obi-Wan claims never to have owned a droid, but we see him with an R-4 unit.

3) The biggest one: Having Padme die in childbirth, even though Leia talks about memories of her mother in ROTJ. “Beautiful but sad.” She didn’t get any more face time than Luke did, and I find it hard to believe she got those impressions in the milisecond where Padme named her.

Having Padme die in childbirth was a major screw-up, as when Luke asks Leia to tell him about her mom, "her real mom", she describes her as "beautiful, but sad".

I was told R2 wasn't bothered with a memory wipe because he wasn't a protocol droid. He can't technically 'speak' , so there was no need for a memory wipe.

No idea on Chewbacca, except, perhaps in the 20 years between , there may have been so much going on with the Empire and his home planet, that the memory of Yoda's use of the Force had faded.

Also, Obi-Wan never owned R-4, he was just a droid used on his fighter, much like the R2 and R4 units seen on the X-Wings in "Star Wars".

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 01:56 PM

Well I finally saw Star Wars. Ho****. It is sooo good. But it's so sad at the same time. :nod: I actually thought they did a good job answering a lot of the questions the fans had.

dissention

05-27-2005, 02:09 PM

Well I finally saw Star Wars. Ho****. It is sooo good. But it's so sad at the same time. :nod: I actually thought they did a good job answering a lot of the questions the fans had.

Glad you liked it. :) It makes the other prequels look amateurish.

macfanken

05-27-2005, 02:18 PM

I finally saw it yesterday, I thought it was good... there were only a few cringe-inducing moments. :lol: I like the way it sets up Episode IV... so, it takes 20 years to build a Death Star?! In "Return of the Jedi" it took, what, five years and the thing was operational! :lol:

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 09:29 PM

Glad you liked it. :) It makes the other prequels look amateurish.
Is that who I think it is in your new avatar? Cause I can't quite tell. :wavey:

Hayden and Natalie are absolute knock-outs in this movie. Seriously. :shocked: :nod:

dissention

05-27-2005, 09:32 PM

Is that who I think it is in your new avatar? Cause I can't quite tell. :wavey:

Hayden and Natalie are absolute knock-outs in this movie. Seriously. :shocked: :nod:

Of course it is, silly. :p Natalie Portman looks perfect in that movie. I'm convinced that the stars aligned when she was given that face of hers. Same with him. They don't exactly have the best onscreen chemistry around, but they're still gorgeous to look at. :laugh:

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 09:32 PM

I finally saw it yesterday, I thought it was good... there were only a few cringe-endusing moments. :lol: I like the way it sets up Episode IV... so, it takes 20 years to build a Death Star?! In "Return of the Jedi" it took, what, five years and the thing was operational! :lol:
I did giggle a little bit at that dialogue from the 1st half of the movie, but it got better. :laugh:

As for the Death Star, maybe the 2nd time's a charm? :shrug:

dissention

05-27-2005, 09:34 PM

I did giggle a little bit at that dialogue from the 1st half of the movie, but it got better. :laugh:

C'mon! Nothing is worse than in Episode II when Obi Wan pulls that dart out of the changeling's neck, holds it up to the camera, and says "Toxic dart."

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 09:36 PM

Of course it is, silly. :p Natalie Portman looks perfect in that movie. I'm convinced that the stars aligned when she was given that face of hers. Same with him. They don't exactly have the best onscreen chemistry around, but they're still gorgeous to look at. :laugh:
I even thought she looked hot dead. :shrug: :laugh:

And, call me shallow, but the only thing I could think about when they showed what happened to Anakin/Vader was "how could Hayden look so ugly? Is that even possible?" ":laugh:

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 09:37 PM

C'mon! Nothing is worse than in Episode II when Obi Wan pulls that dart out of the changeling's neck, holds it up to the camera, and says "Toxic dart."

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Aww, that's the best part of the movie! :p :laugh:

dissention

05-27-2005, 09:38 PM

I even thought she looked hot dead. :shrug: :laugh:

And, call me shallow, but the only thing I could think about when they showed what happened to Anakin/Vader was "how could Hayden look so ugly? Is that even possible?" ":laugh:

You're a sicko. :laugh: Nothing like a Star Wars flick to bring out your necrophiliac tendencies.

I was too busy sobbing to pay attention to his ugliness as he burned alive. Sue me. :laugh:

dissention

05-27-2005, 09:40 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Aww, that's the best part of the movie! :p :laugh:

I'm sure George Lucas thought so, too, when he scribbled it down one night. He's a regular Shakespeare of the cinema, that man.

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 09:43 PM

You're a sicko. :laugh: Nothing like a Star Wars flick to bring out your necrophiliac tendencies.

I was too busy sobbing to pay attention to his ugliness as he burned alive. Sue me. :laugh:
Yeah, that was a little rough to watch. :nod: At least he was his usual heart-throb self for 80% of the movie.

dissention

05-27-2005, 09:47 PM

Yeah, that was a little rough to watch. :nod: At least he was his usual heart-throb self for 80% of the movie.

Don't make me bust out the pictures again. :laugh:

I'm kinda bummed that I got into Star Wars so late and now I have no new ones to look forward to. Such is life.

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 09:59 PM

Don't make me bust out the pictures again. :laugh:

I'm kinda bummed that I got into Star Wars so late and now I have no new ones to look forward to. Such is life.
I was just sifting through the galleries. :laugh:

<img src="http://tinypic.com/5eftsk" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">
Why can't *I* wake up to that? :laugh: :distress: :laugh:

dissention

05-27-2005, 10:03 PM

You slut. :laugh: The lips. It's all in the lips.

I only went to that site once, I was too overwhelmed by the 12,000+ photos they boasted. The chick that runs it must have cash and bandwith coming out of her ass.

dissention

05-27-2005, 10:06 PM

Just one.

http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/haydenchristensengq1.jpg

That one's my fabrit.

ryan8472

05-27-2005, 10:14 PM

Just one.

http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/haydenchristensengq1.jpg

That one's my fabrit.
Hate the outfit, but god he's hot. :laugh:

dissention

05-27-2005, 10:16 PM

Hate the outfit, but god he's hot. :laugh:

The outfit is part of the hotness. :cool: I want me one of those outfits. I'd certainly wear it!

strandinthewind

05-28-2005, 08:43 AM

The outfit is part of the hotness. :cool: I want me one of those outfits. I'd certainly wear it!

That outfit is a tragedy that prob. cost hundreds of dollars. I weep for the future of fashion when I see utter crap like that.

dissention

05-28-2005, 10:05 AM

That outfit is a tragedy that prob. cost hundreds of dollars. I weep for the future of fashion when I see utter crap like that.

A tragedy? I don't see how, it isn't flannel. And I like it. :laugh:

amber

05-29-2005, 04:10 PM

Did everyone already see this? LMAO!!!
http://www.milkandcookies.com/stuff/triumphvsw.asx

dissention

05-29-2005, 08:57 PM

Did everyone already see this? LMAO!!!
http://www.milkandcookies.com/stuff/triumphvsw.asx

:lol:

"You get to pick from all these guys who don't know how to please you."

amber

05-29-2005, 10:11 PM

:lol:

"You get to pick from all these guys who don't know how to please you."
:lol:

Or what about the pregnant lady?
"It will be the last time he sees female genitals." :laugh:

dissention

05-29-2005, 10:16 PM

:lol:

Or what about the pregnant lady?
"It will be the last time he sees female genitals." :laugh:

:laugh:

I was DYING watching that thing. It was hilarious, thanks. :wavey:

amber

05-29-2005, 10:19 PM

:laugh:

I was DYING watching that thing. It was hilarious, thanks. :wavey:
Oh, good - me, too, I thought it was scrumtrulescent.

cliffdweller

05-31-2005, 11:27 AM

I also cried when Padme started sobbing after the Jedi massacre. :(

Me too, and when Anakin (now Vader) put the strangle-hold on Padme toward the end and shouted something to the effect of, "you've turned against me." That was intense :shocked:.

Now for some critiques of Lucas's plotting:
I just saw the movie last night, and please forgive me for coming in late on this discussion, but one thing that didn't sit well with me was Anakin's rather uncomplicated, or shall I say, uncalculating move to the dark side. It starts out that Anakin needs the Emporer in order to save Padme from certain death, but after he kills Mace Windu, he immediately turns into Vader and starts killing younglings and doing all sorts of heinous sh*t. There was no build up, and little complication. If Anakin was going to be calculating about the whole thing, he should have struck a deal with the Emporer, kind of playing both sides against the middle, and then gradually become Vader instead of vowing immedate alligiance to the Emporer. Maybe this was done sloppily due to time constraints, but I could have used 30 more minutes of Anakin's psychology: frustration, confusion, anger, remorse, conflicting feelings, etc that slowly brings him to the dark side. I mean, lines like, "I'm so mad!" are not complicated enough for me in relaying Anakin's emotion :laugh: yikes! Also, I don't think Anakin should have become Vader until the helmet/mask was put on. Again, not enough emotional build up from Lucas. And the "NOOOOOOOOOO!" from Vader toward the end had me rolling in the aisles.

Two more things: Isn't it ironic how Anakin wanted the Emporer's knowledge of immortality in order to save Padme but in the end tried to murder her? I suppose that is to lead us further to believe that Anakin was really only looking out for #1 the whole time. His tragic flaws of arrogance, greed, and power-hunger surface above his love for Padme. Also, why would Padme die of the unwillingness to live after giving birth to two children that need her? Just things to ponder.

dissention

05-31-2005, 11:32 PM

Me too, and when Anakin (now Vader) put the strangle-hold on Padme toward the end and shouted something to the effect of, "you've turned against me." That was intense :shocked:.

Now for some critiques of Lucas's plotting:
I just saw the movie last night, and please forgive me for coming in late on this discussion, but one thing that didn't sit well with me was Anakin's rather uncomplicated, or shall I say, uncalculating move to the dark side. It starts out that Anakin needs the Emporer in order to save Padme from certain death, but after he kills Mace Windu, he immediately turns into Vader and starts killing younglings and doing all sorts of heinous sh*t. There was no build up, and little complication. If Anakin was going to be calculating about the whole thing, he should have struck a deal with the Emporer, kind of playing both sides against the middle, and then gradually become Vader instead of vowing immedate alligiance to the Emporer. Maybe this was done sloppily due to time constraints, but I could have used 30 more minutes of Anakin's psychology: frustration, confusion, anger, remorse, conflicting feelings, etc that slowly brings him to the dark side. I mean, lines like, "I'm so mad!" are not complicated enough for me in relaying Anakin's emotion :laugh: yikes! Also, I don't think Anakin should have become Vader until the helmet/mask was put on. Again, not enough emotional build up from Lucas. And the "NOOOOOOOOOO!" from Vader toward the end had me rolling in the aisles.

Two more things: Isn't it ironic how Anakin wanted the Emporer's knowledge of immortality in order to save Padme but in the end tried to murder her? I suppose that is to lead us further to believe that Anakin was really only looking out for #1 the whole time. His tragic flaws of arrogance, greed, and power-hunger surface above his love for Padme. Also, why would Padme die of the unwillingness to live after giving birth to two children that need her? Just things to ponder.

I thought the way he turned to the Dark Side was laughable, too. He kills Jackson, can't believe what he did, and then becomes Palpatine's henchman in all of three seconds. It was ridiculous. But this IS George Lucas, dear. I totally agree that it could have used a half hour more of development, especially since they barely developed Anakin in Episode II even. Just look at the "romance" between him and Padme. It was so forced and seemed so absurd from the beginning. But I still loved it for the fluff that it is.

Moony

05-31-2005, 11:41 PM

I thought the way he turned to the Dark Side was laughable, too. He kills Jackson, can't believe what he did, and then becomes Palpatine's henchman in all of three seconds. It was ridiculous. But this IS George Lucas, dear. I totally agree that it could have used a half hour more of development, especially since they barely developed Anakin in Episode II even. Just look at the "romance" between him and Padme. It was so forced and seemed so absurd from the beginning. But I still loved it for the fluff that it is.
I agree, but thank god he killed Windu when he did. I couldn't take any more of him. Horrendous.

Was anyone else yelling at Anakin when he was talking to Palpatine? "Don't listen to him! IDIOT!!!!!" :laugh: I was getting so pissed off. Thankfully when I went there weren't too many people in the theatre.

Also, after Yoda fell during his battle with Palpatine....why didn't he get back up and finish him off? Instead of saying, "into exile I must go, failed I have" crap. :shrug:

dissention

05-31-2005, 11:45 PM

I agree, but thank god he killed Windu when he did. I couldn't take any more of him. Horrendous.

Jackson is whoreanus in the Star Wars movies. He deserves a Razzie for EVERY one.

Was anyone else yelling at Anakin when he was talking to Palpatine? "Don't listen to him! IDIOT!!!!!" :laugh: I was getting so pissed off. Thankfully when I went there weren't too many people in the theatre.

I was too busy rolling my eyes at how fast it all happened, actually.

Also, after Yoda fell during his battle with Palpatine....why didn't he get back up and finish him off? Instead of saying, "into exile I must go, failed I have" crap. :shrug:

Because it wouldn't have gelled with the old Star Wars flicks, silly. :laugh:

macfanken

05-31-2005, 11:49 PM

Me too, and when Anakin (now Vader) put the strangle-hold on Padme toward the end and shouted something to the effect of, "you've turned against me." That was intense :shocked:.

Now for some critiques of Lucas's plotting:
I just saw the movie last night, and please forgive me for coming in late on this discussion, but one thing that didn't sit well with me was Anakin's rather uncomplicated, or shall I say, uncalculating move to the dark side. It starts out that Anakin needs the Emporer in order to save Padme from certain death, but after he kills Mace Windu, he immediately turns into Vader and starts killing younglings and doing all sorts of heinous sh*t. There was no build up, and little complication. If Anakin was going to be calculating about the whole thing, he should have struck a deal with the Emporer, kind of playing both sides against the middle, and then gradually become Vader instead of vowing immedate alligiance to the Emporer. Maybe this was done sloppily due to time constraints, but I could have used 30 more minutes of Anakin's psychology: frustration, confusion, anger, remorse, conflicting feelings, etc that slowly brings him to the dark side. I mean, lines like, "I'm so mad!" are not complicated enough for me in relaying Anakin's emotion :laugh: yikes! Also, I don't think Anakin should have become Vader until the helmet/mask was put on. Again, not enough emotional build up from Lucas. And the "NOOOOOOOOOO!" from Vader toward the end had me rolling in the aisles.

Two more things: Isn't it ironic how Anakin wanted the Emporer's knowledge of immortality in order to save Padme but in the end tried to murder her? I suppose that is to lead us further to believe that Anakin was really only looking out for #1 the whole time. His tragic flaws of arrogance, greed, and power-hunger surface above his love for Padme. Also, why would Padme die of the unwillingness to live after giving birth to two children that need her? Just things to ponder.

I really enjoyed the movie but I thought the plot was kind of sloppy towards the end. You can tell that Lucas knew where the story had to go but wasn't sure how to get there. Or, more likely, didn't want to be bothered with the details. :lol: He could have spent more than just the last hour of the third movie focusing on Anakin's turn to the dark side, especially since the first two movies basically went nowhere!

I agree with you about Vader's "NOOOOO!", I wasn't rolling in the aisle but my eyes were definitely rolling! :distress: The scene where he gets up and starts walking like Frankenstein was just stupid!

Moony

05-31-2005, 11:50 PM

Because it wouldn't have gelled with the old Star Wars flicks, silly. :laugh:
:laugh: I know! But I'm just saying...it didn't make any sense. Yoda was just like, oh well, I fell, I failed, I go now. If Lucas was going to have him give up, he should've been injured badly or something. Oh well.

And Vader's "nooooooooooooooo"....that was the worst.

amber

05-31-2005, 11:54 PM

:laugh: I know! But I'm just saying...it didn't make any sense. Yoda was just like, oh well, I fell, I failed, I go now. If Lucas was going to have him give up, he should've been injured badly or something. Oh well.

And Vader's "nooooooooooooooo"....that was the worst.
:laugh: :lol: :laugh:
I love a good, cheesy, B movie "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!". Almost makes me want to see it....

dissention

05-31-2005, 11:54 PM

:laugh: I know! But I'm just saying...it didn't make any sense. Yoda was just like, oh well, I fell, I failed, I go now. If Lucas was going to have him give up, he should've been injured badly or something. Oh well.

And Vader's "nooooooooooooooo"....that was the worst.

I was laughing at the fact that Palpatine was throwing chairs at Yoda. :laugh:

dissention

05-31-2005, 11:56 PM

:laugh: :lol: :laugh:
I love a good, cheesy, B movie "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!". Almost makes me want to see it....

You should, it's a fun time. I don't think anyone who went to see it was expecting Citizen Kane. Except for those sexually inexperienced Jedi knights that you posted the video of. :laugh:

Moony

05-31-2005, 11:57 PM

I was laughing at the fact that Palpatine was throwing chairs at Yoda. :laugh:
LOL...

On a totally different note, does Hayden not have the sexiest voice? I don't know...something about the rhythm of his speech was HOT.

maybe it's just me :laugh:

amber

05-31-2005, 11:58 PM

You should, it's a fun time. I don't think anyone who went to see it was expecting Citizen Kane. Except for those sexually inexperienced Jedi knights that you posted the video of. :laugh:
I will. :) DVD.
Although, I forgot Yoda talks like that. I saw a four second clip of that in a commercial or something, and it drove me mad! :(

dissention

06-01-2005, 12:03 AM

LOL...

On a totally different note, does Hayden not have the sexiest voice? I don't know...something about the rhythm of his speech was HOT.

maybe it's just me :laugh:

It's not just you. But anything could come out of those luscious lips and I'd swoon.

I will. :) DVD.
Although, I forgot Yoda talks like that. I saw a four second clip of that in a commercial or something, and it drove me mad! :(

I think it's cute. :laugh: I was in Circuit City yesterday and they had this Yoda dolls that were a foot tall and when you pushed his hand, he said all kinds of different phrases and his mouth moved. I almost bought one. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-01-2005, 12:15 AM

I cannot believe I am feeding the obsession, but he was in wither People or US this week.

GODDESS6

06-01-2005, 06:30 AM

It's not just you. But anything could come out of those luscious lips and I'd swoon.

I think it's cute. :laugh: I was in Circuit City yesterday and they had this Yoda dolls that were a foot tall and when you pushed his hand, he said all kinds of different phrases and his mouth moved. I almost bought one. :laugh:
lololol :nod: i saw those also~ they were cute~ my hubby knows i love yoda & talks yosa 2 me, i can NEVER keep a straight face!!! :eek: ~
anyways i finally saw the movie last friday~ well, i loved it, i thought it the best of the 6~ i loved all of it & 2 finally have everything tied in2 1 another & know why annikan went bad...~ i saw "star wars" when i was 9, when it came out in theaters, the only 1 of all 6 i didn't c at the theaters was "return of the jedi", i saw it on video, the only thing good about that 1 was, leia & her gold bikini~ but i do love this final installment & was glad i went 2 c it!!!~

dissention

06-01-2005, 11:23 AM

I cannot believe I am feeding the obsession, but he was in wither People or US this week.

Oy, I hate both of those rags. No thanks. Those are the ones to read in the checkout aisle and then toss aside. I did see him in People last week and I'd just die to go clothes shopping with him. :laugh: Juicy Couture Men gets me hot and bothered. I could drop thousands on that **** and not bat an eyelash.

The only mags I buy are Entertainment Weekly, The Enquirer, and sometimes Star. And Psychology Today, that's a good one. I used to buy NME for a couple of months, but I got sick of reading about the Scissor Sisters and The Killers because I abhor both of them.

Janet

06-01-2005, 11:57 AM

Star Wars episode 3 was amazing!

I will put in my two cents and say this movie is totally worth it. I have told everyone to see it.

It REALLY freaked me out and it made me cringe and of course it made me cry.

:)

The Tower

06-01-2005, 12:06 PM

dissention

06-01-2005, 12:23 PM

I have yet to see it. Maybe I'll be able to stomach it while I'm in Hawaii. I saw one little eentsy-weentsy snippet and the acting was so bad I couldn't deal AT ALL.

Attack of the Clones is in my top ten worst movies ever, so needless to say, I'm gun shy. Yes, Miss Dissy, I know you ejaculated all over Miss Hayden- however, I don't have the same lusty desires for him as you do. And I have some suspicion that those desires covered up for some baaaaaaaaad acting......... :laugh: :laugh:

Bite my ass. :laugh: Everyone is horrific in the Star Wars prequels. Samuel L. Jackson is one of the greatest living actors (in my opinion) and he stinks up the screen so badly that you need to go in armed with a gas mask. Same with Portman and McGregor and Christensen. But at least Portman and Christensen are gorgeous to look at, and the acting was mucho improved for the last one.

And I simply cannot believe that the man who voluntarily watched Boom! has the gall to say that he can't "deal" with Star Wars. ;)

The Tower

06-01-2005, 12:32 PM

And I simply cannot believe that the man who voluntarily watched Boom! has the gall to say that he can't "deal" with Star Wars. ;)
Ouch!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (that was awesome!)
At least Boom! had drunken and/or hungover Liz Taylor to laugh at. Boom! is in the same league as Showgirls.

Even though George Lucas is completely pathetic, I still expect a lot more from Star Wars movies. I mean, that kid who played Anakin in The Phantom Menace?!??!?!?!? Jar Jar Binks?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? The Yoda light saber battle?!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!

dissention

06-01-2005, 12:38 PM

Ouch!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (that was awesome!)

Did you expect anything less from me? :P

At least Boom! had drunken and/or hungover Liz Taylor to laugh at. Boom! is in the same league as Showgirls.

**** on your mother!

Even though George Lucas is completely pathetic, I still expect a lot more from Star Wars movies. I mean, that kid who played Anakin in The Phantom Menace?!??!?!?!? Jar Jar Binks?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? The Yoda light saber battle?!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!

He's a hack, I expect nothing but to be entertained. They do the job for me. I think it's a known fact that George Lucas should stay away from pens, paper, and cameras, but since that'll never happen, I'll take entertaining mediocrity over utter **** like The Aviator. :D

strandinthewind

06-01-2005, 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=The Tower] . . . At least Boom! had drunken and/or hungover Liz Taylor to laugh at . . . . [\QUOTE]

For the LAST time - I was NOT in that movie :wavey:

strandinthewind

06-01-2005, 12:41 PM

. . . I'll take entertaining mediocrity over utter **** like The Aviator. :D

Bless Your Heart :D

dissention

06-01-2005, 12:44 PM

Bless Your Heart :D

The way I see it, Scorsese has only made three great films: Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Taxi Driver, and After Hours. The rest can be flushed down the ****ter for all I care. :laugh:

The Tower

06-01-2005, 01:16 PM

For the LAST time - I was NOT in that movie :wavey:
Yeah, right..... :rolleyes:

If memory serves me correct, I believe Tennessee Williams based the Sissy Goforth role on you, my dear.

The Tower

06-01-2005, 01:20 PM

**** on your mother!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Actually, I can't watch Showgirls anymore... it hurts WAY too much. Jeezus, Joe Esterhaus sucks balls. I actually made the mistake the other day of thinking that revisiting the atrocious Basic Instinct would be an interesting trip. :eek: :eek: :eek: I can't believe that movie made any money (!!!). What's even worse is they are making the sequel to it as we speak- starring Sharon Stone- again!!!

No wonder I never leave the house anymore....

dissention

06-01-2005, 01:26 PM

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Actually, I can't watch Showgirls anymore... it hurts WAY too much. Jeezus, Joe Esterhaus sucks balls.

Oh, I love Showgirls. I even bought the boxed set that came with pasties. :thumbsup:

I actually made the mistake the other day of thinking that revisiting the atrocious Basic Instinct would be an interesting trip. :eek: :eek: :eek: I can't believe that movie made any money (!!!). What's even worse is they are making the sequel to it as we speak- starring Sharon Stone- again!!!

I know!!!!!!!!!!!! The first one was bad enough! But she just had more work done to her tits, so she has to show them off, silly. The funny thing is that Sharon Stone is a decent actress, but she picks utter swill to star in. Sliver, Basic Instinct, Cold Creek Manor, CATWOMAN, etc. Christ. Her and Halle Berry are the dumbest actresses in Hollywood, that's for damn sure. A few sandwiches shy of a picnic.

No wonder I never leave the house anymore....

That's strange. If my television was playing the likes of Basic Instinct and Boom!, I'd be running out of the house faster than Sally Struthers runs towards a Ding Dong cart.

strandinthewind

06-01-2005, 01:30 PM

Yeah, right..... :rolleyes:

If memory serves me correct, I believe Tennessee Williams based the Sissy Goforth role on you, my dear.

****TARD :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I was Heavenly Finely or, depending on the hour, Alexandra Del Lago (Princess Cosmonopolous) - "CHANCE - CHANCE - WHERE'S MY STASH" :eek:

Sweet Bird of Youth - INDEED

amber

06-01-2005, 02:16 PM

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Actually, I can't watch Showgirls anymore... it hurts WAY too much. Jeezus, Joe Esterhaus sucks balls. I actually made the mistake the other day of thinking that revisiting the atrocious Basic Instinct would be an interesting trip. :eek: :eek: :eek: I can't believe that movie made any money (!!!). What's even worse is they are making the sequel to it as we speak- starring Sharon Stone- again!!!

No wonder I never leave the house anymore....
WHAT?!!!
I love that movie, I still watch it whenever it is on. Just cause Esterhaus mainly sucks, don't diss the instinct.... :distress: I remember I first saw it in the same week with Henry and June. I was 18. That was quite a week.... :laugh: However, I'm with you on Showgirls. It was on while I was in Vegas, and I was like "ooo!" and then, after about 4 lame words came out of what's her saved by the's mouth, I was like "yaaarrrgggggggh! Mariel, turn it!!!" :laugh:

dissention

06-01-2005, 02:34 PM

WHAT?!!!
I love that movie, I still watch it whenever it is on. Just cause Esterhaus mainly sucks, don't diss the instinct.... :distress: I remember I first saw it in the same week with Henry and June. I was 18. That was quite a week.... :laugh: However, I'm with you on Showgirls. It was on while I was in Vegas, and I was like "ooo!" and then, after about 4 lame words came out of what's her saved by the's mouth, I was like "yaaarrrgggggggh! Mariel, turn it!!!" :laugh:

Ugh, Henry and June. :rolleyes: It's so baaaaaaad. Why that movie is rated NC-17 is a mystery to me, too. I've seen much worse in R-rated flicks. You can show some skin and get an NC-17, yet you can be as violent as possible and get an R. Go figure.

amber

06-01-2005, 02:38 PM

Ugh, Henry and June. :rolleyes: It's so baaaaaaad. Why that movie is rated NC-17 is a mystery to me, too. I've seen much worse in R-rated flicks. You can show some skin and get an NC-17, yet you can be as violent as possible and get an R. Go figure.
I'm not sure about the rating either, but at the time it made sense to me. :laugh: But not really, but ratings are always like that. I didn't think it was that baaaaaaad.

dissention

06-01-2005, 02:40 PM

I'm not sure about the rating either, but at the time it made sense to me. :laugh: But not really, but ratings are always like that. I didn't think it was that baaaaaaad.

I thought it was HORRIBLE. Fred Ward and Uma Thurman were so miscast that it was painful to watch. :laugh:

And it had Kevin Spacey, so it's automatically docked 100 points.

SuzeQuze

06-01-2005, 02:41 PM

Oy, I hate both of those rags. No thanks. Those are the ones to read in the checkout aisle and then toss aside. I did see him in People last week and I'd just die to go clothes shopping with him. :laugh: Juicy Couture Men gets me hot and bothered. I could drop thousands on that **** and not bat an eyelash.

The only mags I buy are Entertainment Weekly, The Enquirer, and sometimes Star. And Psychology Today, that's a good one. I used to buy NME for a couple of months, but I got sick of reading about the Scissor Sisters and The Killers because I abhor both of them.

I get Psych Today by subscription. The Enquirer? :eek: Yuck.

amber

06-01-2005, 02:43 PM

I thought it was HORRIBLE. Fred Ward and Uma Thurman were so miscast that it was painful to watch. :laugh:

And it had Kevin Spacey, so it's automatically docked 100 points.
well, I do not like Uma, and I did not know Kevin Spacey at the time, and can not remember him now. +500 for the entrancing Maria de Madeiros. :cool: I liked it, though I wish Uma was someone else.

dissention

06-01-2005, 02:45 PM

I get Psych Today by subscription. The Enquirer? :eek: Yuck.

Don't diss The Enquirer. It's worth it for Anna Nicole's column alone. :thumbsup:

(And I have a subscription to it...)

SuzeQuze

06-01-2005, 02:45 PM

Oh, I love Showgirls. I even bought the boxed set that came with pasties. :thumbsup:

I know!!!!!!!!!!!! The first one was bad enough! But she just had more work done to her tits, so she has to show them off, silly. The funny thing is that Sharon Stone is a decent actress, but she picks utter swill to star in. Sliver, Basic Instinct, Cold Creek Manor, CATWOMAN, etc. Christ. Her and Halle Berry are the dumbest actresses in Hollywood, that's for damn sure. A few sandwiches shy of a picnic.

That's strange. If my television was playing the likes of Basic Instinct and Boom!, I'd be running out of the house faster than Sally Struthers runs towards a Ding Dong cart.

Sharon Stone is a Mensa with no common sensa She is looking good these days though and looks happy. I'd love to see her in something good! She was so gorgeous in BI I could barely take my eyes off of her.

dissention

06-01-2005, 02:47 PM

Sharon Stone is a Mensa with no common sensa

:laugh:

+10!

strandinthewind

06-01-2005, 02:48 PM

Sharon Stone is a Mensa with no common sensa . . . .

You'd be SHOCKED at how many that applies to - :laugh:

SuzeQuze

06-01-2005, 02:49 PM

:laugh:

+10!

:D If you subscribe to the Enquirer that may explain why you treat gossip as gospel.

SuzeQuze

06-01-2005, 02:51 PM

You'd be SHOCKED at how many that applies to - :laugh:

:lol: I used to work with a project manager with this affliction. This person was painful to work for. Everything was dissected into it's tiniest parts and nothing ever got completed, it was maddening! She would go on and on about nothing for hours. Gah! :eek: So of course, she became "Densa" to my team :lol:. Cuz we were wicked smaht, ya see? Not to mention mature. :cool:

dissention

06-01-2005, 02:51 PM

:D If you subscribe to the Enquirer that may explain why you treat gossip as gospel.

I don't believe half of it, I just think it's entertaining. :D

I do believe the Desperate Housewives dish, though. No one with any common sense could believe for a minute that all those women put together are gracious, kind, and sweet to each other. I'd bet my life that they fight like cats and dogs and talk so much **** about each other.

amber

06-01-2005, 02:56 PM

Sharon Stone is a Mensa with no common sensa She is looking good these days though and looks happy. I'd love to see her in something good! She was so gorgeous in BI I could barely take my eyes off of her.
:laugh: :laugh:
I agree, and her new boobs look really good, suprisingly. Anyway, though, I don't think she's a very good actress. High B movie skills, I would call. But she sure is good at that. I think all her roles should be bitchy/sexy temptresses. So that she can shine. :D

SuzeQuze

06-01-2005, 02:59 PM

I don't believe half of it, I just think it's entertaining. :D

I do believe the Desperate Housewives dish, though. No one with any common sense could believe for a minute that all those women put together are gracious, kind, and sweet to each other. I'd bet my life that they fight like cats and dogs and talk so much **** about each other.

I can hear it now, "Why is Eva on everything? She ain't all THAT! Maxim's #1, whatever, she's always wearing padding! That little twit, how am I going to continue seeing her face every day without wanting to smack it? MEOOOW."

Serrart

06-01-2005, 04:49 PM

The way I see it, Scorsese has only made three great films: Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Taxi Driver, and After Hours. The rest can be flushed down the ****ter for all I care. :laugh:

He's not my favourite director but you'd flush Mean Streets or Casino?

By the way I think The Aviator wasn't a complete waste of time, I went to see it mostly for Cate Blanchett playing my all time favourite actress and she was fantastic... and her press conference (http://mfile.akamai.com/8629/asf/clips.download.akamai.com/8629/ActressSupporting_100k_2005.asx) after the Oscars was great too. :thumbsup:

Romy

The Tower

06-01-2005, 05:02 PM

Oh, I love Showgirls. I even bought the boxed set that came with pasties. :thumbsup:
How often do you wear them?
CATWOMAN
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That's strange. If my television was playing the likes of Basic Instinct and Boom!, I'd be running out of the house faster than Sally Struthers runs towards a Ding Dong cart.
It's more in reference to the type of people that exist these days. I mean, HELLO!!! It's the 21st Century people- y'all should know not to sink money into unpolishable turds like Basic Instinct II. At least the late 80's/early 90's could blame their stupidity on post-cocaine stress disorder and Aqua Net Hair Band recovery. My TiVo is programmed with only the choicest morsels, hence my hermitdom.
****TARD :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Zoing!!!!
"Ah, yes, these are the moments that make life worth living" -Meryl Streep, Death Becomes Her after blowing a hole in that bitch Goldie Hawn with a shotgun.
Just cause Esterhaus mainly sucks, don't diss the instinct....
Bleeeecccchhhhhh........
However, I'm with you on Showgirls. It was on while I was in Vegas, and I was like "ooo!" and then, after about 4 lame words came out of what's her saved by the's mouth, I was like "yaaarrrgggggggh! Mariel, turn it!!!"
OY!!! I know that feeling.... It's like "hey, gimme a bromide!" Yeah, Showgirls gives me heartburn. Elizabeth Berkeley doesn't even qualify as an actress, so I can't say she's a bad one. It was interesting to see any possibility of her having a viable career go {insert sound of Obi Wan Kenobi turning off the tractor beam of the death star here} (staying on topic!!).
And it had Kevin Spacey, so it's automatically docked 100 points.
:laugh: :laugh: Pay It Forward was on the screen at my vet's office while I had to wait for almost 30 minutes!!! With the sound on!!!!!!! It took a couple of days to recover from that one......