Drawing by Lindsey? [Archive]

wondergirl9847

05-09-2005, 07:23 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=552&item=7321062350&rd=1

This looks like BS because that doesn't look like his usual drawings. They are usually not as normal as that. :laugh: Great photo of Liddy though.

glitter_fades

05-10-2005, 01:47 AM

amber

05-10-2005, 01:55 AM

Did you check the former user id of the seller? :eek:
What is it?

face of glass

05-10-2005, 04:44 AM

Did you check the former user id of the seller? :eek:
Uh, Carol Ann? :o

DownOnRodeo

05-10-2005, 05:06 AM

$1500! I'd want it sent back to Lindsey for him to finish off, first! :p

Josh2003

05-10-2005, 08:55 AM

ontheEdgeof17

05-10-2005, 10:40 AM

<b>"The unfinished hand holding the ring at the bottom of the drawing is not filled in because Lindsey had to stop work on it to leave for that night's concert performance."</b>

That part of the description made me laugh. :laugh:

:laugh:

I guess he couldn't finish it afterwards? It was prolly swiped for profit before he could. :rolleyes:

wondergirl9847

05-10-2005, 01:30 PM

Why does she have all this crap to sell? :mad: $1500....disgusting.

koop1975

05-10-2005, 05:53 PM

Why does she have all this crap to sell? :mad: $1500....disgusting.

What has she done with her life post-LB? Anyone know? I've only read interviews that mention her in the past tense. For a while, I figured she just died or something.

Kelly

05-14-2005, 07:01 AM

Well...wouldn't you think she had all this stuff to peddle cause she lived with him for eight years??? I swear they must have had some sort of confidentiality agreement that ended in recent years...which is why she tried to write her tell all etc. I guess she just saved up drawings and papers and stuff and realized she could make a boatload selling it to fans. Apparently she has zero loyalty and needs money. Sad. I do like this drawing though. We should save it to the various sites that have his doodling etc. :thumbsup:

goldie

05-14-2005, 02:29 PM

oh my.

This was funny too:

"There are a few small tears at the top of the drawing which were caused when Lindsey tore it from his sketch pad."

oh wait ... lol ... I was reading it as in crying tears ... I thought he shed some tears when he tore it off his sketch pad. Duh !!

Lee

05-14-2005, 05:27 PM

Well, I didn't even know that Lindsey drew. I thought Stevie was the artist. :shrug:

Too pricey for me!

Lee :)

goldie

05-14-2005, 08:18 PM

I can't seem to picture him sitting down with a sketch pad. He's more likely to sit down and mess around with the guitar and create things in his spare time that way, I would think. But what do I know? :shrug:

GardenStateGirlie

05-14-2005, 09:16 PM

Maybe Carol Ann's cheek implants slipped and she needs to pay for new ones.

DownOnRodeo

05-14-2005, 10:59 PM

Nico

05-15-2005, 12:15 AM

I think it's a great drawing. I had no idea he was so multi-talented. Too expensive, though. And who is Carol Ann, by the way? And please don't laugh if it's some significant Fleetwood Mac person I was supposed to be aware of. I'm getting there. ;)

DownOnRodeo

05-15-2005, 07:51 AM

And who is Carol Ann, by the way? And please don't laugh if it's some significant Fleetwood Mac person I was supposed to be aware of. I'm getting there. ;)
An ex of Lindsey's from the early 80s..ish?

thea

05-17-2005, 02:37 AM

Did anyone else get an email back from her?
I emailed her and she replied. It's really weird getting an email in your inbox that says Carol Harris...

wondergirl9847

05-17-2005, 10:48 AM

If you don't mind sharing with us, what did she say? If not, that's cool.

thea

05-17-2005, 04:10 PM

Well, I hate to break people's privacy and it's not very interesting at all, but I asked her why she would sell something like that. And she said that she wanted to offer the online FM community some of the treasures she has kept all this time. And that she got so many wonderful messages. ;-)
It sounded like maybe it wasn't the complete truth. ;-)

Nico

05-18-2005, 12:08 AM

An ex-girlfriend. Should have known. But she's a bit pricey, my gawd. That's not an offer, that's like straight-up robbery...not that Lindsay's art work isn't highly valuable but still... :shocked:

What's with all these ex-significant other's cashing in on their famous formers? For example, this year marks the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's death and (from what I've read/heard) his ex-wife, ex-girlfriend, widow, and former housekeeper all have books coming out on their memories of him. I think it will be the the ex-wife and ex-girlfriend's second book and Yoko's 789000873th.

So much for keeping things sacred.

Gwillaker

05-18-2005, 06:11 PM

Lindsey does like to draw :shocked:

1500 is a ridiculous price though! Maybe if it was by somebody dead, like John Lennon...

Actually that would probably go for 15,000. But still, 1500 is too much I think. Especially for something we have no way of knowing is genuine!

dissention

05-18-2005, 08:58 PM

Janet

05-20-2005, 10:02 PM

sodascouts

05-20-2005, 10:39 PM

So it is Carol Ann? How sad.

When she downright accused Lindsey of hurting her and beating her and losing his temper I lost any respect I may have had for her because she was Lindseys girlfriend. I mean really.

Now, I'm sure he doesn't even think of her. She can't stand that it goes from Stevie to Kristen and all the other girls are just forgotten. She was a messed up thing who cheated on him ( with Dennis Wilson, right?) and then became a drug addict. No wonder he left and went "insane".

Really, he was only with her to get over Stevie. She DID look like Stevie. I'm sure she worshipped him and at the time he needed that for his ego and I'm sure they didn't connect on any deeper level.

It's just sad she can't let it go and stop selling his ****.

This might sound strange coming from me but I just hate to be so judgmental of Carol Ann. I'm sure Lindsey did lose his temper and was at least verbally abusive with her. These were his "angry" years where he acted out a lot. I also got the impression from Lindsey's BTM and a 1984 RS article that she was messed up because of buying into the "fast life" of cocaine and promiscuity. It sounded like he even blamed himself a bit. When someone is a cokehead, cheating is par for the course (it occured after she became addicted, not before), and unfortunately at the time that's what she became. Hopefully she's cleaned up now, though. Remember even Stevie was a cokehead at one time.

And frankly since she got an entire album dedicated to her she'll never be completely forgotten. It's poor Cheri who has that curse. Look at his BTM - Carol Ann got a whole segment. Cheri's named wasn't even mentioned. She's the "Time" album of Lindsey's relationships. lol

And who knows, maybe if you were in dire financial straits and were dumped by a famous guy, you might not be so adverse to selling some of his things to pay the rent. :shrug:

Nico

05-20-2005, 10:47 PM

When she downright accused Lindsey of hurting her and beating her and losing his temper I lost any respect I may have had for her because she was Lindseys girlfriend. I mean really.

:shocked: Woah. I better not ask.

(lol! I see someone else quoted the exact same thing as me, before me.)

dissention

05-20-2005, 10:48 PM

And who knows, maybe if you were in dire financial straits and was dumped by a famous guy, you might not be so adverse to selling some of his things to pay the rent. :shrug:

If she can't pay the rent, don't go to a plastic surgeon. :shrug:

I know next to nothing about her and don't have an opinion on her one way or the other, I just find her constant hocking of his personal stuff on eBay to be the epitome of tackiness. Last year she sold one of his old checkbooks and a stack of old bills, for cripes sake.

dissention

05-20-2005, 10:50 PM

Regardless of opinions about the decency of making money off of an ex, what do you mean by that?

I believe she's referring to the Geraldo show that she guested on where she said Lindsey was abusive. It gels with other stuff that's been said about him, but I certainly wouldn't take anything she says at face value.

sodascouts

05-20-2005, 10:50 PM

If she can't pay the rent, don't go to a plastic surgeon. :shrug:

I know next to nothing about her and don't have an opinion on her one way or the other, I just find her constant hocking of his personal stuff on eBay to be the epitome of tackiness. Last year she sold one of his old checkbooks and a stack of old bills, for cripes sake.

True, she obviously has not made good financial choices, lol.

Nico

05-20-2005, 10:54 PM

Checkbook and old bills is bad. I guess it could be worse, though. I mean locks of hair, old underwear, used deodorant containers, half-eaten sandwiches...at least she kept it nice and boring.

Unless of course there were other, more pitiful, stuff.

This lady has suddenly got me interested. Does anyone have a picture of her? Where did he meet her?

xxxmx

05-20-2005, 11:00 PM

Last year she sold one of his old checkbooks and a stack of old bills, for cripes sake.

hey nance, how much did these cost you? ;)

totally kidding. anyone: how much did they go for?

GateandGarden

05-20-2005, 11:19 PM

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 12:03 AM

hey nance, how much did these cost you? ;)

totally kidding. anyone: how much did they go for?

I didn't know they were being sold or who knows, I might have bid! I put $20 down for that robe, didn't I? lol

sodascouts

05-21-2005, 12:47 AM

I'm interested too. This thread is the most I've ever read about her. Anyone want to give us a brief, possibly illustrated summary? :wavey:

Not-so-brief summary, relying heavily on the Rolling Stone 1984 article:

Lindsey met Carol Ann in 1977, fresh off of his breakup with Stevie. In fact I believe it was about six months after the breakup that he picked her up. From a 1982 interview in People:

“Oklahoma-born Carol Harris, 28, [was] a part-time fashion model. They met in a Los Angeles recording studio in 1976 where Carol was a receptionist, and they moved in together the following year.”

From Rolling Stone, 1984:

“An attractive blond who grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Harris was a twenty-three-year-old receptionist at Producer's Workshop, a Hollywood recording studio, when Buckingham met her while recording Rumours in 1977. ‘At first, she was just another conquest,’ he says, sipping a light beer. ‘And then later, obviously not.’"
[....]
"I had been in Europe, and it was my first day back at work," says Harris in a separate interview, recalling how they met. "I walked in and saw Lindsey and that was it."

Lindsey brought Carol Ann on the Rumours tour; she’s attached to his hip in the Rumours Japan backstage tapes. She comes off as rather clingy. She also comes off as being head over heels in love with Lindsey.

From RS:

“Buckingham and Harris kept to themselves. ‘We lived in seclusion a great deal of the time,’ she says. ‘Even on the road, when everyone would be out partying, Lindsey and I would close ourselves off and be together. He needs a lot of peace and quiet.’”

“But living with a rock star who spent so much of his time in the studio became difficult – especially for a woman who didn't have a life of her own. ‘It was very lonely,’ says Harris. ‘I think I lived my life for Lindsey. I really felt it was important for me to be there for him, whether or not he was there physically, but for him to know I was there at home. He needed me there emotionally. It was rough. I don't think I can remember relaxing the whole time I was with him.’”
[....]
“Friends say the relationship was an intense one. The two were inseparable, and as Fleetwood Mac producer Richard Dashut, a close friend of Lindsey's for over ten years, puts it, "They were both very much in love. They saw things in a very serious way. I can't say either one of them had a real sense of humor together. For the first two or three years they were very, very happy and very close. In fact, I think that was one of the happiest times in his life."

Unfortunately, she become involved in other things, too – and they didn’t have much to do with seclusion and peace and quiet.

Again to RS 1984:
“Life in the rock & roll fast lane also took its toll. There were ‘personal problems’ that neither Harris nor Buckingham will talk about. There were drugs, especially cocaine. ‘That was a problem,’ admits Harris. ‘For him, too. It's very easy to get lost, and I'm sure I did. But I'm in much better shape now than I've ever been. And I still like cocaine. I must admit to that vice.’ (Buckingham says cocaine was never a problem for him.)

‘She was a sweet young girl, very pleasant,’ recalls Lindsey's brother Jeff. ‘But she changed to a music [scene]-hardened, drug-hardened person. It just wasn't the same.’

‘Probably, if I had known what I was getting into, I would have thought twice about it,’ says Harris. ‘That was right before Rumours broke. So when I met him, it was entering a world that was, to say the least, a little bit hard-core. But I fell in love with him. I had no choice. It's not a life I would have chosen for myself. Thinking back, I've been through the worst of times and the best of times. But it is a very rough world. Especially at the top. A lot of people are changed by it, not in a good way. It leaves a lot of victims. A lot of it's not very pretty. It's easy to get very cut off from reality. Trying to keep one foot in the real world and one foot in the rock & roll world is not easy.’"

"’She got pulled into this whole little world that maybe she wasn't ready for,’ agrees Lindsey. ‘She's a girl from a small town who found herself in a world of people who were not particularly responsible.’ He is silent for a few moments. ‘I don't really want to talk about that. I don't think it would be very fair. I think it would hurt her.’

Despite the problems, Lindsey professed in interviews to be very serious about his relationship with Carol Ann. He said that one of the reasons for the title “Law and Order” was to demonstrate that things like relationships weren’t disposable and people should try hard to make them work.

From a 1982 interview:

“Everything seems so disposable today. If you're in a relationship and it starts confronting you with any sort of pain, you just chuck it - most people these days just move onto [sic] somebody else. I have been with the same girl for five years. And I have been faithful to her all that time. Can you believe that? I think it creates a deeper meaning for a relationship if you can do that; put all that energy into writing another song.”

It’s not a stretch to apply that to Carol Ann and see that they were already having issues. I think Lindsey tried hard to involve her in his “other life.” Besides taking her on tour, he wrote “Save Me a Place” for her and included her in the Tusk insert. He included her vocally on “It Was I” as well as in the video, and once again she appears in the album insert. The fact that he mentions her in several interviews promoting the album also seems to me to be gestures to try to make it work. He even considered marrying her, but he realized before it was too late what a big mistake that would be. Months later the relationship was crumbling to the degree that she cheated on him with Dennis Wilson. By the time the next solo album came around, Carol Ann’s mentions in interviews were of an entirely different nature. Go Insane was a documentation of the unravelling of the “happy couple” into dysfunction and misery.

Lindsey ended it like a gentleman. From RS 1984:

“About a year ago, after much soul-searching, they separated. Buckingham helped Harris move into a place of her own. She has been studying acting and, as she puts it, ‘finding myself.’ ‘It got to the point where she had to move out,’ he says quietly. ‘She's still not working. I'm still supporting her, for the time being. We worked out an agreement where I would sort of keep her afloat for a couple of years. I don't mind doing that.’"

The relationship lasted a total of six years. Carol Ann appears to have had a very hard time getting over Lindsey. She was calling him as late as 1992 and it was around that time that she appeared on "Geraldo" saying that after a concert, they got into an argument and he pulled the car over and started choking her, screaming “You’re all the same!” She also said that she still loved him, though. It almost seemed like a cry for his attention, although that’s just my speculation.

Lately, Carol Ann’s become more visible again. She appeared on the Health Network getting plastic surgery, she’s sold a great deal of miscellaneous items on Ebay, and she apparently had a book in the works, although it appears that’s been shelved.

And that’s all I know about Carol Ann Harris. :) here are a couple photos:

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckRS1984CA.html

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckPeople02.html

glitter_fades

05-21-2005, 02:14 AM

That pretty well describes them, Nancy. I feel sorry for Carol. I don't think she had much of a chance. She always seemed to be a very dependant type girl. He was good to her once he decided to get rid of her, but I don' think he was the best boyfriend for anyone during the 70's or 80's. When I heard about the car incident I believed it to a degree, especially the utterance he is said to have made. He obviously had issues, but the relationship worked for him until she cheated and got coked out. After that I'm sure he figured she was a lot like...nevermind.

:wavey:

Janet

05-21-2005, 02:29 AM

Oh I am sorry. I just thought going on Geraldo and saying what she said was just not a classy move. Did she do it for any other reason but for some publicity for herself? Did it go anywhere?

I just think it was a cheap shot.

glitter_fades

05-21-2005, 03:04 AM

I agree. The Geraldo thing was tacky. So is her hawking his stuff on ebay. I give him credit for not talking trash about Carol, as he's also declined to do with Stevie. He's taken shots at her work, but never at her personally like so many others have. I still think Carol was in over her head from day one and never had a chance. His little deamon was probably always flaring up in their relationship so it was only a matter of time before she realized it was never going to go anywhere. She needed to find a life of her own. Sadly, she turned to drugs. That's what happens to lonely people in rocknroll with too much time on their hands.

GateandGarden

05-21-2005, 04:06 PM

Not-so-brief summary, relying heavily on the Rolling Stone 1984 article:

Lindsey met Carol Ann in 1977, fresh off of his breakup with Stevie. In fact I believe it was about six months after the breakup that he picked her up. From a 1982 interview in People:

“Oklahoma-born Carol Harris, 28, [was] a part-time fashion model. They met in a Los Angeles recording studio in 1976 where Carol was a receptionist, and they moved in together the following year.”

From Rolling Stone, 1984:

“An attractive blond who grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Harris was a twenty-three-year-old receptionist at Producer's Workshop, a Hollywood recording studio, when Buckingham met her while recording Rumours in 1977. ‘At first, she was just another conquest,’ he says, sipping a light beer. ‘And then later, obviously not.’"
[....]
"I had been in Europe, and it was my first day back at work," says Harris in a separate interview, recalling how they met. "I walked in and saw Lindsey and that was it."

Lindsey brought Carol Ann on the Rumours tour; she’s attached to his hip in the Rumours Japan backstage tapes. She comes off as rather clingy. She also comes off as being head over heels in love with Lindsey.

From RS:

“Buckingham and Harris kept to themselves. ‘We lived in seclusion a great deal of the time,’ she says. ‘Even on the road, when everyone would be out partying, Lindsey and I would close ourselves off and be together. He needs a lot of peace and quiet.’”

“But living with a rock star who spent so much of his time in the studio became difficult – especially for a woman who didn't have a life of her own. ‘It was very lonely,’ says Harris. ‘I think I lived my life for Lindsey. I really felt it was important for me to be there for him, whether or not he was there physically, but for him to know I was there at home. He needed me there emotionally. It was rough. I don't think I can remember relaxing the whole time I was with him.’”
[....]
“Friends say the relationship was an intense one. The two were inseparable, and as Fleetwood Mac producer Richard Dashut, a close friend of Lindsey's for over ten years, puts it, "They were both very much in love. They saw things in a very serious way. I can't say either one of them had a real sense of humor together. For the first two or three years they were very, very happy and very close. In fact, I think that was one of the happiest times in his life."

Unfortunately, she become involved in other things, too – and they didn’t have much to do with seclusion and peace and quiet.

Again to RS 1984:
“Life in the rock & roll fast lane also took its toll. There were ‘personal problems’ that neither Harris nor Buckingham will talk about. There were drugs, especially cocaine. ‘That was a problem,’ admits Harris. ‘For him, too. It's very easy to get lost, and I'm sure I did. But I'm in much better shape now than I've ever been. And I still like cocaine. I must admit to that vice.’ (Buckingham says cocaine was never a problem for him.)

‘She was a sweet young girl, very pleasant,’ recalls Lindsey's brother Jeff. ‘But she changed to a music [scene]-hardened, drug-hardened person. It just wasn't the same.’

‘Probably, if I had known what I was getting into, I would have thought twice about it,’ says Harris. ‘That was right before Rumours broke. So when I met him, it was entering a world that was, to say the least, a little bit hard-core. But I fell in love with him. I had no choice. It's not a life I would have chosen for myself. Thinking back, I've been through the worst of times and the best of times. But it is a very rough world. Especially at the top. A lot of people are changed by it, not in a good way. It leaves a lot of victims. A lot of it's not very pretty. It's easy to get very cut off from reality. Trying to keep one foot in the real world and one foot in the rock & roll world is not easy.’"

"’She got pulled into this whole little world that maybe she wasn't ready for,’ agrees Lindsey. ‘She's a girl from a small town who found herself in a world of people who were not particularly responsible.’ He is silent for a few moments. ‘I don't really want to talk about that. I don't think it would be very fair. I think it would hurt her.’

Despite the problems, Lindsey professed in interviews to be very serious about his relationship with Carol Ann. He said that one of the reasons for the title “Law and Order” was to demonstrate that things like relationships weren’t disposable and people should try hard to make them work.

From a 1982 interview:

“Everything seems so disposable today. If you're in a relationship and it starts confronting you with any sort of pain, you just chuck it - most people these days just move onto [sic] somebody else. I have been with the same girl for five years. And I have been faithful to her all that time. Can you believe that? I think it creates a deeper meaning for a relationship if you can do that; put all that energy into writing another song.”

It’s not a stretch to apply that to Carol Ann and see that they were already having issues. I think Lindsey tried hard to involve her in his “other life.” Besides taking her on tour, he wrote “Save Me a Place” for her and included her in the Tusk insert. He included her vocally on “It Was I” as well as in the video, and once again she appears in the album insert. The fact that he mentions her in several interviews promoting the album also seems to me to be gestures to try to make it work. He even considered marrying her, but he realized before it was too late what a big mistake that would be. Months later the relationship was crumbling to the degree that she cheated on him with Dennis Wilson. By the time the next solo album came around, Carol Ann’s mentions in interviews were of an entirely different nature. Go Insane was a documentation of the unravelling of the “happy couple” into dysfunction and misery.

Lindsey ended it like a gentleman. From RS 1984:

“About a year ago, after much soul-searching, they separated. Buckingham helped Harris move into a place of her own. She has been studying acting and, as she puts it, ‘finding myself.’ ‘It got to the point where she had to move out,’ he says quietly. ‘She's still not working. I'm still supporting her, for the time being. We worked out an agreement where I would sort of keep her afloat for a couple of years. I don't mind doing that.’"

The relationship lasted a total of six years. Carol Ann appears to have had a very hard time getting over Lindsey. She was calling him as late as 1992 and it was around that time that she appeared on "Geraldo" saying that after a concert, they got into an argument and he pulled the car over and started choking her, screaming “You’re all the same!” She also said that she still loved him, though. It almost seemed like a cry for his attention, although that’s just my speculation.

Lately, Carol Ann’s become more visible again. She appeared on the Health Network getting plastic surgery, she’s sold a great deal of miscellaneous items on Ebay, and she apparently had a book in the works, although it appears that’s been shelved.

And that’s all I know about Carol Ann Harris. :) here are a couple photos:

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckRS1984CA.html

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckPeople02.htmlWow. That was a really interesting read. Thanks for posting all of that. She looks beautiful in those pics, too. Does Lindsey almost always go for the blondes? :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-21-2005, 04:23 PM

Wow. That was a really interesting read. Thanks for posting all of that. She looks beautiful in those pics, too. Does Lindsey almost always go for the blondes? :laugh:

Forget her, look at the smoldering look of Lindsey's in the first photo! :laugh: :woohoo:

No, I think she's pretty as well.

gldstwmn

05-21-2005, 05:58 PM

Not-so-brief summary, relying heavily on the Rolling Stone 1984 article:

Lindsey met Carol Ann in 1977, fresh off of his breakup with Stevie. In fact I believe it was about six months after the breakup that he picked her up. From a 1982 interview in People:

“Oklahoma-born Carol Harris, 28, [was] a part-time fashion model. They met in a Los Angeles recording studio in 1976 where Carol was a receptionist, and they moved in together the following year.”

From Rolling Stone, 1984:

“An attractive blond who grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Harris was a twenty-three-year-old receptionist at Producer's Workshop, a Hollywood recording studio, when Buckingham met her while recording Rumours in 1977. ‘At first, she was just another conquest,’ he says, sipping a light beer. ‘And then later, obviously not.’"
[....]
"I had been in Europe, and it was my first day back at work," says Harris in a separate interview, recalling how they met. "I walked in and saw Lindsey and that was it."

Lindsey brought Carol Ann on the Rumours tour; she’s attached to his hip in the Rumours Japan backstage tapes. She comes off as rather clingy. She also comes off as being head over heels in love with Lindsey.

From RS:

“Buckingham and Harris kept to themselves. ‘We lived in seclusion a great deal of the time,’ she says. ‘Even on the road, when everyone would be out partying, Lindsey and I would close ourselves off and be together. He needs a lot of peace and quiet.’”

“But living with a rock star who spent so much of his time in the studio became difficult – especially for a woman who didn't have a life of her own. ‘It was very lonely,’ says Harris. ‘I think I lived my life for Lindsey. I really felt it was important for me to be there for him, whether or not he was there physically, but for him to know I was there at home. He needed me there emotionally. It was rough. I don't think I can remember relaxing the whole time I was with him.’”
[....]
“Friends say the relationship was an intense one. The two were inseparable, and as Fleetwood Mac producer Richard Dashut, a close friend of Lindsey's for over ten years, puts it, "They were both very much in love. They saw things in a very serious way. I can't say either one of them had a real sense of humor together. For the first two or three years they were very, very happy and very close. In fact, I think that was one of the happiest times in his life."

Unfortunately, she become involved in other things, too – and they didn’t have much to do with seclusion and peace and quiet.

Again to RS 1984:
“Life in the rock & roll fast lane also took its toll. There were ‘personal problems’ that neither Harris nor Buckingham will talk about. There were drugs, especially cocaine. ‘That was a problem,’ admits Harris. ‘For him, too. It's very easy to get lost, and I'm sure I did. But I'm in much better shape now than I've ever been. And I still like cocaine. I must admit to that vice.’ (Buckingham says cocaine was never a problem for him.)

‘She was a sweet young girl, very pleasant,’ recalls Lindsey's brother Jeff. ‘But she changed to a music [scene]-hardened, drug-hardened person. It just wasn't the same.’

‘Probably, if I had known what I was getting into, I would have thought twice about it,’ says Harris. ‘That was right before Rumours broke. So when I met him, it was entering a world that was, to say the least, a little bit hard-core. But I fell in love with him. I had no choice. It's not a life I would have chosen for myself. Thinking back, I've been through the worst of times and the best of times. But it is a very rough world. Especially at the top. A lot of people are changed by it, not in a good way. It leaves a lot of victims. A lot of it's not very pretty. It's easy to get very cut off from reality. Trying to keep one foot in the real world and one foot in the rock & roll world is not easy.’"

"’She got pulled into this whole little world that maybe she wasn't ready for,’ agrees Lindsey. ‘She's a girl from a small town who found herself in a world of people who were not particularly responsible.’ He is silent for a few moments. ‘I don't really want to talk about that. I don't think it would be very fair. I think it would hurt her.’

Despite the problems, Lindsey professed in interviews to be very serious about his relationship with Carol Ann. He said that one of the reasons for the title “Law and Order” was to demonstrate that things like relationships weren’t disposable and people should try hard to make them work.

From a 1982 interview:

“Everything seems so disposable today. If you're in a relationship and it starts confronting you with any sort of pain, you just chuck it - most people these days just move onto [sic] somebody else. I have been with the same girl for five years. And I have been faithful to her all that time. Can you believe that? I think it creates a deeper meaning for a relationship if you can do that; put all that energy into writing another song.”

It’s not a stretch to apply that to Carol Ann and see that they were already having issues. I think Lindsey tried hard to involve her in his “other life.” Besides taking her on tour, he wrote “Save Me a Place” for her and included her in the Tusk insert. He included her vocally on “It Was I” as well as in the video, and once again she appears in the album insert. The fact that he mentions her in several interviews promoting the album also seems to me to be gestures to try to make it work. He even considered marrying her, but he realized before it was too late what a big mistake that would be. Months later the relationship was crumbling to the degree that she cheated on him with Dennis Wilson. By the time the next solo album came around, Carol Ann’s mentions in interviews were of an entirely different nature. Go Insane was a documentation of the unravelling of the “happy couple” into dysfunction and misery.

Lindsey ended it like a gentleman. From RS 1984:

“About a year ago, after much soul-searching, they separated. Buckingham helped Harris move into a place of her own. She has been studying acting and, as she puts it, ‘finding myself.’ ‘It got to the point where she had to move out,’ he says quietly. ‘She's still not working. I'm still supporting her, for the time being. We worked out an agreement where I would sort of keep her afloat for a couple of years. I don't mind doing that.’"

The relationship lasted a total of six years. Carol Ann appears to have had a very hard time getting over Lindsey. She was calling him as late as 1992 and it was around that time that she appeared on "Geraldo" saying that after a concert, they got into an argument and he pulled the car over and started choking her, screaming “You’re all the same!” She also said that she still loved him, though. It almost seemed like a cry for his attention, although that’s just my speculation.

Lately, Carol Ann’s become more visible again. She appeared on the Health Network getting plastic surgery, she’s sold a great deal of miscellaneous items on Ebay, and she apparently had a book in the works, although it appears that’s been shelved.

And that’s all I know about Carol Ann Harris. :) here are a couple photos:

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckRS1984CA.html

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckPeople02.html

She does look like Stevie. The similar use of phrases that made it into Stevie's songs is remarkable. "You're all the same?" Weird.
I don't fault her for what she's doing now. I think she was in way over her head. Some people never recover from experiences like that.
Can anyone explain what all these women saw in Dennis Wilson? :laugh:

glitter_fades

05-21-2005, 06:23 PM

She does look like Stevie.

A lot of people thought the picture of Carol on Walter Egan's Not Shy album was Stevie.
I've argued with people over it who say it's Stevie because she sings on the album.

GardenStateGirlie

05-21-2005, 06:25 PM

She does look like Stevie. The similar use of phrases that made it into Stevie's songs is remarkable. "You're all the same?" Weird.

Well, you know what Lindsey said..."she's alot like you..." :nod:

glitter_fades

05-21-2005, 06:27 PM

Well, you know what Lindsey said..."she's alot like you..." :nod:

;)

:wavey:

dudden22

05-21-2005, 06:35 PM

Can anyone explain what all these women saw in Dennis Wilson? :laugh:

Not only that but the Beach Boys had a major impact on him. That is like cheating on him with one of his idols. :distress:

Nico

05-21-2005, 10:21 PM

Not-so-brief summary, relying heavily on the Rolling Stone 1984 article:

Lindsey met Carol Ann in 1977, fresh off of his breakup with Stevie. In fact I believe it was about six months after the breakup that he picked her up. From a 1982 interview in People:

“Oklahoma-born Carol Harris, 28, [was] a part-time fashion model. They met in a Los Angeles recording studio in 1976 where Carol was a receptionist, and they moved in together the following year.”

From Rolling Stone, 1984:

“An attractive blond who grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Harris was a twenty-three-year-old receptionist at Producer's Workshop, a Hollywood recording studio, when Buckingham met her while recording Rumours in 1977. ‘At first, she was just another conquest,’ he says, sipping a light beer. ‘And then later, obviously not.’"
[....]
"I had been in Europe, and it was my first day back at work," says Harris in a separate interview, recalling how they met. "I walked in and saw Lindsey and that was it."

Lindsey brought Carol Ann on the Rumours tour; she’s attached to his hip in the Rumours Japan backstage tapes. She comes off as rather clingy. She also comes off as being head over heels in love with Lindsey.

From RS:

“Buckingham and Harris kept to themselves. ‘We lived in seclusion a great deal of the time,’ she says. ‘Even on the road, when everyone would be out partying, Lindsey and I would close ourselves off and be together. He needs a lot of peace and quiet.’”

“But living with a rock star who spent so much of his time in the studio became difficult – especially for a woman who didn't have a life of her own. ‘It was very lonely,’ says Harris. ‘I think I lived my life for Lindsey. I really felt it was important for me to be there for him, whether or not he was there physically, but for him to know I was there at home. He needed me there emotionally. It was rough. I don't think I can remember relaxing the whole time I was with him.’”
[....]
“Friends say the relationship was an intense one. The two were inseparable, and as Fleetwood Mac producer Richard Dashut, a close friend of Lindsey's for over ten years, puts it, "They were both very much in love. They saw things in a very serious way. I can't say either one of them had a real sense of humor together. For the first two or three years they were very, very happy and very close. In fact, I think that was one of the happiest times in his life."

Unfortunately, she become involved in other things, too – and they didn’t have much to do with seclusion and peace and quiet.

Again to RS 1984:
“Life in the rock & roll fast lane also took its toll. There were ‘personal problems’ that neither Harris nor Buckingham will talk about. There were drugs, especially cocaine. ‘That was a problem,’ admits Harris. ‘For him, too. It's very easy to get lost, and I'm sure I did. But I'm in much better shape now than I've ever been. And I still like cocaine. I must admit to that vice.’ (Buckingham says cocaine was never a problem for him.)

‘She was a sweet young girl, very pleasant,’ recalls Lindsey's brother Jeff. ‘But she changed to a music [scene]-hardened, drug-hardened person. It just wasn't the same.’

‘Probably, if I had known what I was getting into, I would have thought twice about it,’ says Harris. ‘That was right before Rumours broke. So when I met him, it was entering a world that was, to say the least, a little bit hard-core. But I fell in love with him. I had no choice. It's not a life I would have chosen for myself. Thinking back, I've been through the worst of times and the best of times. But it is a very rough world. Especially at the top. A lot of people are changed by it, not in a good way. It leaves a lot of victims. A lot of it's not very pretty. It's easy to get very cut off from reality. Trying to keep one foot in the real world and one foot in the rock & roll world is not easy.’"

"’She got pulled into this whole little world that maybe she wasn't ready for,’ agrees Lindsey. ‘She's a girl from a small town who found herself in a world of people who were not particularly responsible.’ He is silent for a few moments. ‘I don't really want to talk about that. I don't think it would be very fair. I think it would hurt her.’

Despite the problems, Lindsey professed in interviews to be very serious about his relationship with Carol Ann. He said that one of the reasons for the title “Law and Order” was to demonstrate that things like relationships weren’t disposable and people should try hard to make them work.

From a 1982 interview:

“Everything seems so disposable today. If you're in a relationship and it starts confronting you with any sort of pain, you just chuck it - most people these days just move onto [sic] somebody else. I have been with the same girl for five years. And I have been faithful to her all that time. Can you believe that? I think it creates a deeper meaning for a relationship if you can do that; put all that energy into writing another song.”

It’s not a stretch to apply that to Carol Ann and see that they were already having issues. I think Lindsey tried hard to involve her in his “other life.” Besides taking her on tour, he wrote “Save Me a Place” for her and included her in the Tusk insert. He included her vocally on “It Was I” as well as in the video, and once again she appears in the album insert. The fact that he mentions her in several interviews promoting the album also seems to me to be gestures to try to make it work. He even considered marrying her, but he realized before it was too late what a big mistake that would be. Months later the relationship was crumbling to the degree that she cheated on him with Dennis Wilson. By the time the next solo album came around, Carol Ann’s mentions in interviews were of an entirely different nature. Go Insane was a documentation of the unravelling of the “happy couple” into dysfunction and misery.

Lindsey ended it like a gentleman. From RS 1984:

“About a year ago, after much soul-searching, they separated. Buckingham helped Harris move into a place of her own. She has been studying acting and, as she puts it, ‘finding myself.’ ‘It got to the point where she had to move out,’ he says quietly. ‘She's still not working. I'm still supporting her, for the time being. We worked out an agreement where I would sort of keep her afloat for a couple of years. I don't mind doing that.’"

The relationship lasted a total of six years. Carol Ann appears to have had a very hard time getting over Lindsey. She was calling him as late as 1992 and it was around that time that she appeared on "Geraldo" saying that after a concert, they got into an argument and he pulled the car over and started choking her, screaming “You’re all the same!” She also said that she still loved him, though. It almost seemed like a cry for his attention, although that’s just my speculation.

Lately, Carol Ann’s become more visible again. She appeared on the Health Network getting plastic surgery, she’s sold a great deal of miscellaneous items on Ebay, and she apparently had a book in the works, although it appears that’s been shelved.

And that’s all I know about Carol Ann Harris. :) here are a couple photos:

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckRS1984CA.html

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/lbphotos/LBuckPeople02.html

Thanks so much for the detailed write-up. That was very interesting. I felt like I learned some new things about Lindsey, given the fact I don't necessarily read too much about him. It seems that the Carol girl really did love him, but that whole rock and roll world is so out of my league. I have enough to deal with in my own relationship and it's fairly normal in comparison.

That's a little disturbing about the choking thing...I was watching Lindsey on that "Destiny Rules" DVD and he just SO does not look like someone who had/has aggressive tendencies...more docile if anything. But, hey, I don't live with him.

Thanks for the pics. She *kind of* looks like Stevie, but I think Stevie's more glamorous/pretty. My opinion. :)

gldstwmn

05-21-2005, 11:35 PM

Not only that but the Beach Boys had a major impact on him. That is like cheating on him with one of his idols. :distress:

Well, Stevie supposedly dated him before his relationship with Chris.

gldstwmn

05-21-2005, 11:38 PM

That's a little disturbing about the choking thing...I was watching Lindsey on that "Destiny Rules" DVD and he just SO does not look like someone who had/has aggressive tendencies...more docile if anything.

Watch some of the Japan footage from '77 (I think it's '77) and you'll see a different Lindsey.
Some of his Tusk tour performances are not pretty either.

GateandGarden

05-21-2005, 11:56 PM

What exactly do people with tempers and agressive tendencies look like?I think they're referring to the way he acts on those DVDs/videos.

sodascouts

05-22-2005, 12:00 AM

I think they're referring to the way he acts on those DVDs/videos.

He're more whiny than frightening in the backstage footage. In fact sometimes he acts really sweet (like when he's at the piano). Onstage he looks fierce, but he's playing his heart out. And BTW he is SMOKIN' HOT.

Nico

05-22-2005, 09:04 AM

Really? I wouldn't have guessed. I wouldn't think that people with tempers actually thrash people about while being filmed for documentary. I was just saying that they come in all forms.

True enough. But I am going strictly by superficial interpretation- which is the only thing I use when observing someone I really don't know personally. From what I saw of Lindsey on the surface level, he just seems kind of calm/laid-back.

Now, it could all be a facade and he could be a wild beast of a man, slapping people around and throwing punches at women left and right- but it doesn't look that way to me. His voice was really quiet and he just seemed like a person I would probably feel comfortable around.

You like playing devil's advocate, eh? (Not being cruelly sarcastic, I totally like it when people have different opinons than myself. Makes things more interesting.)

GateandGarden

05-22-2005, 04:09 PM

I <3 Lux and Jen. :wavey:

Nico

05-22-2005, 07:06 PM

I love ya too Hil! :xoxo: (I'm still serious about the PJ comp, if you want one. And I'll reply to your email asap as well!)

Lux...I don't disagree about him having a temper, seeing as there is enough written description to at least assume he has one, but it was just my observation of his behavior from that particular DVD, which is by the way the only Lindsey documentary-style thing I have to go by. I have no idea about this 1970s "Tusk" footage because, hey, I have never seen it...

So I am going to presume, because that's the only thing I can do concerning this topic, that he has somewhat "mellowed" with age. I don't know...Anyway, I think I am becoming repetitive with my explanation, so hopefully this will end the Lindsey=violent/non-violent? discussion. Honestly, I don't know enough to say more anyway. :)

GateandGarden

05-22-2005, 07:30 PM

I love ya too Hil! :xoxo: (I'm still serious about the PJ comp, if you want one. And I'll reply to your email asap as well!)Yeah, I totally forgot to mention that in my e-mail. I really appreciate the offer but I'm going to buy her CDs eventually so I'll get the music that way. I'm looking forward to collecting them, just as I've been doing with FM for almost two years now. The next one I'm going to get will probably be Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea, but I have to say that the next CD on my list of CDs to buy is Lindsey's Out of the Cradle, since I've deprived myself of Lindsey's solo material (except GOS) all this time and I need to finally buy one of them. Anyway, I'm rambling but the point is that it's really sweet of you to make the CDs but I'm planning to buy all of them. (Except maybe Is This Desire? because some say it's her worst and not worth it. I don't know). By the way, you've got to tell me what you thought about "Without You" and "Down Endless Street." I love them both so much, but I won't die if you don't like them, I promise. :)

And, uh, Lux, if you're reading this thread...have you read Kortni's blog lately by any chance? :angel:

Nico

05-22-2005, 09:27 PM

Yeah, I totally forgot to mention that in my e-mail. I really appreciate the offer but I'm going to buy her CDs eventually so I'll get the music that way. I'm looking forward to collecting them, just as I've been doing with FM for almost two years now. The next one I'm going to get will probably be Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea, but I have to say that the next CD on my list of CDs to buy is Lindsey's Out of the Cradle, since I've deprived myself of Lindsey's solo material (except GOS) all this time and I need to finally buy one of them. Anyway, I'm rambling but the point is that it's really sweet of you to make the CDs but I'm planning to buy all of them. (Except maybe Is This Desire? because some say it's her worst and not worth it. I don't know). By the way, you've got to tell me what you thought about "Without You" and "Down Endless Street." I love them both so much, but I won't die if you don't like them, I promise. :)

Coolness! I so agree with you collecting slowly. I'm the same way. Oh, and def. get SFTCSFTS, but yeah after OOTC because that is seriously one of the most perfect albums I have ever heard in my life. I still play it all the way through and it's just as enjoyable the millionth time.

Oh and Is This Desire became my fave PJ album last summer. It's a gorgeous piece of work, but it really takes time to grow on you because her stuff on there is quite dark. I woudn't pass it up, but you could make it one of your later purchases.

Oh! And I will excitedly tell you whet I think of those songs in an email since I'm already using so much of this open forum space for private BS as is. Thanks so much for sending them! You are the greatest. :angel:

GateandGarden

05-22-2005, 11:37 PM

I'm confused, why did you ask that?:laugh: Uh, you just need to read it, I guess. Wait, never mind...don't read it. I'm so embarrassed now. :o

dissention

05-22-2005, 11:43 PM

He're more whiny than frightening in the backstage footage.

Precisely. My favorite has to be from the Rumours tour vids where he whines that he's hungry and Stevie says that she'll make him an omelette, to which he replies "I don't wannnnnnnnnt an omelette." What a whiny little ****.

GypsySorcerer

05-22-2005, 11:45 PM

Precisely. My favorite has to be from the Rumours tour vids where he whines that he's hungry and Stevie says that she'll make him an omelette, to which he replies "I don't wannnnnnnnnt an omelette." What a whiny little ****.

:laugh:

He is such a whiny little bitch. :cool:

amber

05-22-2005, 11:47 PM

dissention

05-22-2005, 11:47 PM

:laugh:

He is such a whiny little bitch. :cool:

I wonder if Stevie ever tried to slip him a tampon.

GateandGarden

05-22-2005, 11:49 PM

GateandGarden

05-22-2005, 11:54 PM

Oh I see, it says I'm shy. Well that would be true. Oh, I have a secret internet lover? Those things are complete rubbish but um....hello Jeff. Well it was smooth until it became apparent that I look about 6 years old so perhaps "goodbye" is more appropriate. Wait, who did you mean? Was that even what you were referring to? I'm completely lost and now also reminded of the rejection.I'm referring to the comments I made in it. :o

amber

05-22-2005, 11:54 PM

:laugh::laugh: I haven't seen that. :lol:
It's funny. Though, to be fair, I don't like omelets much, either.... :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-22-2005, 11:55 PM

I wonder if Stevie ever tried to slip him a tampon.

Who knows, but he probably suffered from PMS more than Stevie or Christine. :laugh: Love him anyway. :)

dissention

05-22-2005, 11:57 PM

It's funny. Though, to be fair, I don't like omelets much, either.... :laugh:

But he was sooooooo whiny and annoying back then. Even in interviews. He never struck me as a likable person until Out of the Cradle, but even now, he comes across as a snob who likes to look up big words in the dictionary and then pepper everyday sentences with them, leaving people perplexed and leaving himself satisfied for being so intellectually superior. :laugh:

amber

05-22-2005, 11:59 PM

But he was sooooooo whiny and annoying back then. Even in interviews. He never struck me as a likable person until Out of the Cradle, but even now, he comes across as a snob who likes to look up big words in the dictionary and then pepper everyday sentences with them, leaving people perplexed and leaving himself satisfied for being so intellectually superior. :laugh:
Der. :laugh: But there's the simple fact, too, that his actual voice is whiny. I like him, though, still. Except when he's being a tool on the destiny rules doc.... :laugh: yeah, he's not as likeable as he could be, I guess. Poor guy....

dissention

05-22-2005, 11:59 PM

Who knows, but he probably suffered from PMS more than Stevie or Christine. :laugh: Love him anyway. :)

That man probably had stock in Kotex. :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:00 AM

Der. :laugh: But there's the simple fact, too, that his actual voice is whiny. I like him, though, still. Except when he's being a tool on the destiny rules doc.... :laugh: yeah, he's not as likeable as he could be, I guess. Poor guy....

He was a total diva on that doc. :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:02 AM

That man probably had stock in Kotex. :laugh:

But apparently he didn't take Midol to level his moods. ;)

dissention

05-23-2005, 12:03 AM

He was a total diva on that doc. :laugh:

You'd be a whiny brat if you had to work with Nicks, too. He wasn't the only tool on full display in that doc. :laugh:

amber

05-23-2005, 12:03 AM

He was a total diva on that doc. :laugh:
:laugh: Yep. He's cute though. Too bad about his voice. I liked when he was all "whine, whine, something, whine, etc." and Stevie was all exasperated "Oh, Lindsey, she did not!"

dissention

05-23-2005, 12:04 AM

But apparently he didn't take Midol to level his moods. ;)

It would have worked against his lithium. :lol:

amber

05-23-2005, 12:05 AM

You'd be a whiny brat if you had to work with Nicks, too. He wasn't the only tool on full display in that doc. :laugh:
Which parts? I thought she came out okay. Only watched it twice, though.

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:05 AM

You'd be a whiny brat if you had to work with Nicks, too. He wasn't the only tool on full display in that doc. :laugh:

Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick are all drama queens. Poor John. :lol:

GateandGarden

05-23-2005, 12:07 AM

I liked when he was all "whine, whine, something, whine, etc." and Stevie was all exasperated "Oh, Lindsey, she did not!":laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

dissention

05-23-2005, 12:08 AM

Which parts? I thought she came out okay. Only watched it twice, though.

Her ridiculous and annoying display for the Warners execs (I would have reached for the duct tape, myself), her subtle yet still catty remarks about the mixing of her songs (which I found masterful in such a bitchy way, she gets props from me), her always having her staff around like she needed her ass wiped, etc. Homegirl is a diva, but so eccentric that she's likable. Same deal with Lindsey.

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:09 AM

:laugh: Yep. He's cute though. Too bad about his voice. I liked when he was all "whine, whine, something, whine, etc." and Stevie was all exasperated "Oh, Lindsey, she did not!"

Was that the segment with Karen? I haven't watched it recently.

amber

05-23-2005, 12:11 AM

Her ridiculous and annoying display for the Warners execs (I would have reached for the duct tape, myself), her subtle yet still catty remarks about the mixing of her songs (which I found masterful in such a bitchy way, she gets props from me), her always having her staff around like she needed her ass wiped, etc. Homegirl is a diva, but so eccentric that she's likable. Same deal with Lindsey.
I totally don't remember the display for the Warner's execs. :confused: Yeah, she does have Staff. :laugh: I liked how she was more down to earth about the marketing and stuff, though. I used to think she was, uh, less grounded, but that doc actually made me think she was more grounded and practical. Hey, every smart diva has a staff! :laugh: But tell me about the warner's thing?

Yes, Krista, that was the part about Karen. Just the tone of her voice and the way she says it is so funny. like "Lindsey, you are such a whiny tool, why don't you shut it?" :laugh:

GateandGarden

05-23-2005, 12:14 AM

Yes, Krista, that was the part about Karen. Just the tone of her voice and the way she says it is so funny. like "Lindsey, you are such a whiny tool, why don't you shut it?" :laugh:Sometimes I like to watch just that scene. :woohoo:

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:14 AM

Yes, Krista, that was the part about Karen. Just the tone of her voice and the way she says it is so funny. like "Lindsey, you are such a whiny tool, why don't you shut it?" :laugh:

That was hysterical. Another favorite moment was when Mick quipped that Lindsey had never lived in a two bedroom apartment. :lol: :lol: :lol:

dissention

05-23-2005, 12:15 AM

But tell me about the warner's thing?

"I PRAY TO THE COMMERCIAL GODS!"

:rolleyes:

Gag me. She was such a tool in that segment, I would have picked up one of the demo tapes and thrown it at her if I had been Lindsey. :laugh:

GateandGarden

05-23-2005, 12:18 AM

Whoops, sorry about the last, rather innappropriate comment.

H: "You know, I quite like like you......"
L: "I say, this weather is nice isn't it?"

I'm not particularly familiar with the homosexual lifestyle but I can pretend.Did you say the "l" word in relation to homosexuality? :distress: :p

Anyway, I just think you're really unique and appealing to me. And I love how blunt you are. And I want to convince you that you are significant! :nod: (Remember that debate?) No huge deal, like you don't have to go hide in a closet because some lesbian chick's after you. :laugh: Don't worry. I won't show up at your doorstep. Not that I have the money for that plane ticket, anyway. :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:18 AM

Gag me. She was such a tool in that segment, I would have picked up one of the demo tapes and thrown it at her if I had been Lindsey. :laugh:

Which demo? :lol:

amber

05-23-2005, 12:20 AM

"I PRAY TO THE COMMERCIAL GODS!"

:rolleyes:

Gag me. She was such a tool in that segment, I would have picked up one of the demo tapes and thrown it at her if I had been Lindsey. :laugh:
Is that what she said? Perhaps that was one of the parts where I thought she was practical, canny, and down to earth.... :D But, I, like everyone but Lindsey, don't have the luxury of being idealistic, so perhaps I identified. :laugh:

amber

05-23-2005, 12:22 AM

Sometimes I like to watch just that scene. :woohoo:

Yes, indeed, it's a fine moment of Stevie cinema...

That was hysterical. Another favorite moment was when Mick quipped that Lindsey had never lived in a two bedroom apartment.
That was HILARIOUS. You could tell there was a lot of eye rolling about Lindsey during this whole thing. Poor guy. Just trying to have vision, but no.... :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:27 AM

Yes, indeed, it's a fine moment of Stevie cinema...

That was HILARIOUS. You could tell there was a lot of eye rolling about Lindsey during this whole thing. Poor guy. Just trying to have vision, but no.... :laugh:

Indeed. But as mentioned previously in other discussions, SYW probably would have sold the same number had it been released as a double album as Lindsey wanted.

amber

05-23-2005, 12:29 AM

Indeed. But as mentioned previously in other discussions, SYW probably would have sold the same number had it been released as a double album as Lindsey wanted.
That's probably true, I guess. I mean, I don't think the people who wanted it and bought it would have been dissuaded because it was 23 bucks rather than 15, or whatever. But everyone else seemed to think it would've sold less, including warners and the marketing people, so who knows? Although i tend to think these people are generally clueless...

wondergirl9847

05-23-2005, 12:29 AM

What type of housing did they live in before FM? A one bedroom apartment? Her parents? His parents? I'm not sure.

Anyways, we ALL have whiney moments, don't we?

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:30 AM

That's probably true, I guess. I mean, I don't think the people who wanted it and bought it would have been dissuaded because it was 23 bucks rather than 15, or whatever. But everyone else seemed to think it would've sold less, including warners and the marketing people, so who knows? Although i tend to think these people are generally clueless...

I just think their days of multi-platinum albums are over. The die-hards would purchase it regardless of album length, and IMO, the die-hards are who bought SYW.

GateandGarden

05-23-2005, 12:33 AM

Anyways, we ALL have whiney moments, don't we? Oh yeah. I can totally relate to him there. I'm a quite a whiner, and I'm sure that if I were taped enough, I would come off that way.

I just think their days of multi-platinum albums are over. The die-hards would purchase it regardless of album length, and IMO, the die-hards are who bought SYW.I agree with you there. I think they actually mentioned how to get young people to buy it and such, and I was thinking, [I]Only the old fans are going to buy it anyway![/I} (And by "old" I don't mean agewise but people who have been fans for years and such).

amber

05-23-2005, 12:35 AM

I just think their days of multi-platinum albums are over. The die-hards would purchase it regardless of album length, and IMO, the die-hards are who bought SYW.
Right.
And I don't think I have as many whiny moments as Lindsey... :laugh: Course, my voice is much deeper.... :lol: Also, no one cares when I do it... :D

GypsySorcerer

05-23-2005, 12:38 AM

Right.
And I don't think I have as many whiny moments as Lindsey... :laugh: Course, my voice is much deeper.... :lol: Also, no one cares when I do it... :D

:laugh: My voice is deeper than Lindsey's too. :lol: I consider myself more internally broodish than whiny. :D

amber

05-23-2005, 12:39 AM

:laugh: My voice is deeper than Lindsey's too. :lol: I consider myself more internally broodish than whiny. :D
:lol: :laugh:
Yeah, maybe i'd be more whiny if I had more money...as it is I'm more "pouty and surly" :lol:

GateandGarden

05-23-2005, 12:44 AM

I'm confused again.It's one of my pet peeves, and a pet peeve of most gays I've met. Do you call heterosexuality a "lifestyle"? You know, it's one of those words we hate, since it really doesn't make any sense when applied to sexual orientation. A lifestyle is something you choose to live, right? And it's often used in a derogatory way. (sp?)

Shucks. I must warn that although perhaps unique, I'm also somewhat violently agressive and I sleep with my bunny. I'll have to ask my father first aswell.What about your bunny's ear, though? Whatever happened to him or her must've been traumatic.

Eh, asking parents first is overrated. :laugh:

glitter_fades

05-23-2005, 12:57 AM

I liked how she was more down to earth about the marketing and stuff, though. I used to think she was, uh, less grounded, but that doc actually made me think she was more grounded and practical.

Demerits for you, girl! :p You can't be talking about that drivel she babbled about selling records to 10-27 year olds. :lol: :lol: :lol:

She had me with the part about people our age not being on the floor smoking dope or reading Billboard. I know for myself that's true.
She should have stopped talking after that. :sorry: :laugh:

amber

05-23-2005, 01:01 AM

Demerits for you, girl! :p You can't be talking about that drivel she babbled about selling records to 10-27 year olds. :lol: :lol: :lol:

She had me with the part about people our age not being on the floor smoking dope or reading Billboard. I know for myself that's true.
She should have stopped talking after that. :sorry: :laugh:
I thought she was saying they won't be selling records to 10-27 year olds? Well, get ready to rescind my demerits, cause I'm starting it again, RIGHT NOW!!! I will pay special attention to parts where stevie seems to be acting like a tool! :laugh: Uh...on the DVD, do you know which scene it is?

glitter_fades

05-23-2005, 01:32 AM

I thought she was saying they won't be selling records to 10-27 year olds? Well, get ready to rescind my demerits, cause I'm starting it again, RIGHT NOW!!! I will pay special attention to parts where stevie seems to be acting like a tool! :laugh: Uh...on the DVD, do you know which scene it is?

Nooooooooo. She said we have to sell to 10-27 year olds. Then a short time later you see the kiddie chorus ruining Say You Will. :(

She says that in the same scene as the statement I love about people our age not sitting on the floor anymore smoking dope and reading Billboard. :laugh:

That statement is priceless...but then she keeps talking. Ugh! :]

amber

05-23-2005, 01:57 AM

Nooooooooo. She said we have to sell to 10-27 year olds. Then a short time later you see the kiddie chorus ruining Say You Will. :(

She says that in the same scene as the statement I love about people our age not sitting on the floor anymore smoking dope and reading Billboard. :laugh:

That statement is priceless...but then she keeps talking. Ugh! :]
Yeah, I watched that. I actually thought the whole thing was pretty cool, though I think she was wrong about who will be buying her albums. :wavey:
Why does Lindsey have a lighter? Yep, that's right... :laugh:

glitter_fades

05-23-2005, 11:59 PM

Why does Lindsey have a lighter? Yep, that's right... :laugh:

That tension release clicky thing? :lol:

doobiedoobiedoooooo :lol:

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 12:03 AM

. . .

doobiedoobiedoooooo :lol:

let me smoke you

we're gonna have some purple haze now

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

amber

05-24-2005, 12:55 AM

That tension release clicky thing? :lol:

doobiedoobiedoooooo :lol:
:lol: :lol:
Scooby dooby doo...
I love a man who
has some bud for you now...
C'mon LIndsey doo
we need you
To light the bong for us now...
You know there's got to be some music tracks so Lindsey doo get ready for the spark
don't hold back...

You're not foolin me cause I can see
the way you hold that lighter...
oops, sorry, just my Lindsey/Scooby doo/bud stylings... :wavey: