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Alan Olson

05-02-2005, 11:31 PM

Hi Everybody,
Just Joined, 1st post!!!

With everything that I've read saying that the Splinter Group is over, what direction is Peter going to go with his music? Stick with straight forward modern blues (Splinter Group style), or maybe go with something with a bit more percussion (congas & bongos etc...) I just love songs like "Just For You", "Slabo Day", "Rubbing My Eyes" from his comeback era of 1979 thru 1983. Of course anything in any style will be worth listening to if the Green God is playing on it.

Anybody hear any news??

Alan Olson

05-05-2005, 11:27 PM

Thanks for the info Zero,

I feel I was lucky to see Splinter Group 3 times in the U.S. & each time was about the same as far as Peter's playing goes. It was good to see him smile once or twice on stage when he hit a note just right. His health and well being are by far the most important thing. I think he should just take his time and whatever comes out in his playing will be just fine. I think to many people expected to see the playing level of Peter in the old days of the Mac. I do agree with you about the Splinter Group being a great setup for Peter to begin playing again, and not having to be under the spotlight, the Splinter Group had some great songs in the short time they were a unit, but like it or not I think Peter will always be in the spotlight in any band he is playing in. I'm just happy to hear him play again and hope that he is enjoying it as well.

Al

sharksfan2000

05-06-2005, 09:56 AM

what i'd most like to know at this point is that peter is doing well and, if he is so inclined, is playing regularly.
Zero, that's a really good question as to whether Peter is playing regularly these days. We know he's not performing regularly, but hopefully he does have an opportunity to play and keep his skills sharp. Mario or anyone else here have any idea whether he plays regularly these days?

chiliD

05-06-2005, 02:36 PM

I do agree with you about the Splinter Group being a great setup for Peter to begin playing again, and not having to be under the spotlight, the Splinter Group had some great songs in the short time they were a unit, but like it or not I think Peter will always be in the spotlight in any band he is playing in.

I think the PGSG ended up being more work than Peter bargained for in the beginning. Once that first album came out, it was "record, tour, record, tour" almost endlessly until Peter bailed out. Nigel (I'm assuming) was the "evil task-master" and workaholic of the band. I think Peter just needed a break from the constant working environment.

Wouter Vuijk

05-06-2005, 05:25 PM

Thanks for the info Zero,

II do agree with you about the Splinter Group being a great setup for Peter to begin playing again, and not having to be under the spotlight, the Splinter Group had some great songs in the short time they were a unit, but like it or not I think Peter will always be in the spotlight in any band he is playing in.

Al
Concerning the PGSG lasting a short time as a unit: It lasted a hell of a lot longer than PG's Fleetwood Mac!!!!

Wouter

SteveMacD

05-06-2005, 06:56 PM

Concerning the PGSG lasting a short time as a unit: It lasted a hell of a lot longer than PG's Fleetwood Mac!!!!
Hell, they lasted twice as long as PG's time with the Bluesbreakers AND Fleetwood Mac.

Alan Olson

05-06-2005, 10:21 PM

I found a web site with a lot of photos of Peter in a recording session with some people that I don't know. The photos look to be recent, but it's hard to tell when the pictures were taken. So maybe he is playing / practicing.

Not being the most computer savvy person around here is the address.....

http://www.rudyrotta.com/depot/041109PeterGreen_2

www.rudyrotta.com/depot/041109PeterGreen_2 (http://)

dino

05-07-2005, 03:39 AM

Hello Alan,
we were alerted to the R. Rotta sessions some time ago by Mario. The took place fall 2004 I think.
Peter's playing and singing "Black magic woman" on Ruddy's new album, sounding great, playing
with a jazzy feel! Seems to be his last documented trip to the studios though...

Alan Olson

05-08-2005, 12:16 AM

Thanks dino,
I was excited to see the photos, seems like it was old news....

Oh Well

Tom

05-08-2005, 11:16 AM

Nice pics Alan. I had actually seen only one of them before. Thanks for posting.

Kyoshi

05-26-2005, 04:04 AM

Hi MZero. Very interesting points. Have been abroad for a while hence no postings.
Position is this. The litigation you mention is an action by the government minders on Nigel Watson. This is still ongoing. The minders extracted PG from Splinter by enforcing a clause in the mental health act which allows them to remove anyone from where they work and what this means is that if, for example, someone in PGs condition was an architect and the minders felt inclined to do so for whatever reason they could remove him from the practice. Using the same analogy, if the architect was the creative and senior partner and was removed the question is what happens to the business without the leader: collapse. This is amazing since it is enshrined in the minders procedures to absolutely protect the income of their client, so by removing someone from their income source is a really big step to take. There are dark forces lurking behind all these shenanigans and who nows what the real reasons are.

As it happens PG, Splinter and other people connected with them have all lost loads of future money. Splinter guys have all gone their separate ways and PG is doing his thing in Scandinavia where I guess he is happy, and that is all that matters. Whatever people's views on Watson (the fine line between help and exploitation) I think the point is that he drove the whole shebang forward and everyone benefitted. His reward was to get whacked by the minders. I was talking to PG at their penultimate performance and he was really looking forward to the proposed yankee tour.

For some reason martin celmins who was a sort of live in carer for PG for a while and was very close in with the band and watson seems to have gone over to the side of the government minders. Im not sure where hes coming from but gotta give him credit for thinking of PG. whatever ! So long as we dont forget that PG is not well and needs to be cared for and if that is what is happing in scandinavia somewhere then thats OK with me. There were rumours that the minders wanted him to have a solo career but i think thats a bit of a non starter and I guess he will play as and when it suits him.

dino

05-26-2005, 05:45 AM

Thanks for the info!!

I've read that Nigel is "bad-mouthing" Peter...Why would he do that if there are no hard feelings
and Peter was whisked away against his will?

/dino

bretonbanquet

05-26-2005, 02:37 PM

I've read that Nigel is "bad-mouthing" Peter...
/dino

Where did you read that? It doesn't sound very reasonable...

Thanks Kyoshi, for all the info - it's so hard to find out what's going on :confused:

Kyoshi

05-31-2005, 03:56 AM

Where did you read that? It doesn't sound very reasonable...

Thanks Kyoshi, for all the info - it's so hard to find out what's going on :confused:

You're right, it isnt reasonable. It's all 'Rumours' !!
Where Watson stands is that he is really peeved at what the government minders did, effectivley breaking up the business and putting a lot of people out of work.
From what I know he hasnt been slagging Greeny off as Dino has heard but he certainly intensely dislikes the lawyers and mindersw involved but then so would anybody if your livelihood had been taken away from you and you had a young family to look after.
I think he just wants to move on and put all this behind him cos its been a nightmare, but its also been a nightmare for the other guys who have had to get their working lives back together again, although perhaps not Cotton because he has got a small studio.
What affected all of them was the accusations, so called proof, lack of proof, secret agendas, fear of courts and legal stuff, what are middle aged guys going to do with their lives without Greeny to give them credibility and so on and so on.
there are lots of people out there who think they know what has been going on and urban myths abound, but if you want to drink the cleanest water you have to go the source of the stream................

dino

05-31-2005, 05:03 AM

sharksfan2000

05-31-2005, 09:27 AM

You look at how the Splinter Group disintegrated after Peter left them, and think how easy it would have been for the same thing to have happened to Fleetwood Mac 35 years ago.....

....what are middle aged guys going to do with their lives without Greeny to give them credibility....You are spot-on with this observation, Kyoshi. As much as Peter leaned on the other members of SG to take some of the spotlight off of him, their very existence depended entirely on Peter's presence in the group. You could argue that at the beginning, FM was the same way, but by the time Peter left in 1970 the rest of the band had grown and developed musically to the point where they could survive without him. To me, SG never showed any real musical growth or development so it's no surprise that the band fell apart without Peter.

Kyoshi

05-31-2005, 12:13 PM

Well, it's not a rumour, I read it in a Ledge post:

Mario
09-03-2004, 12:16 PM

"So, please keep on spreading the truth, because it seems that NW's dirty tricks and badmouthing will continue"

But what do i know?
/dino

The history of all this over the years says that rumours and 'truths' will always abound. I spose if its in a ledge post it must be the truth then ?

Kyoshi

05-31-2005, 12:22 PM

You look at how the Splinter Group disintegrated after Peter left them, and think how easy it would have been for the same thing to have happened to Fleetwood Mac 35 years ago.....

You are spot-on with this observation, Kyoshi. As much as Peter leaned on the other members of SG to take some of the spotlight off of him, their very existence depended entirely on Peter's presence in the group. You could argue that at the beginning, FM was the same way, but by the time Peter left in 1970 the rest of the band had grown and developed musically to the point where they could survive without him. To me, SG never showed any real musical growth or development so it's no surprise that the band fell apart without Peter.

And you're spot on yourself Sharkfan. We al apreciate that Peter needed SG as much as they needed him, but for different reasons. We all know that Peter is a genius, but an ill genius. We al know the group were OK musicians but not up to his standard. Thats OK with me as it was with all of them. Its probably an unfair comparison but if you take like for like illnesses and compare Peter to Brian Wilson you can see that Brian travels the road with a group of musicians who are, no doubt, delighted to be playing with him. Same goes for splinter and Greeny. But theres always an endgame and unfortunately because of his illness Peter is in the control of the court, which incidentally it was Watson who placed him in their care in the first place, which holds complete sway, and their view was that he was best out of splinter, gawd knows why, but there it is. Its done. People can discuss around and around with so called insider info and draw a zillion conclusions, but there's only one truth.

Kyoshi

05-31-2005, 12:29 PM

I think the PGSG ended up being more work than Peter bargained for in the beginning. Once that first album came out, it was "record, tour, record, tour" almost endlessly until Peter bailed out. Nigel (I'm assuming) was the "evil task-master" and workaholic of the band. I think Peter just needed a break from the constant working environment.

Just spottd your note. Yes, it was tour, record, tour, record and yes perhaps Watson ws the evil taskmaster, but that is business. Everyone benefitted and the court was happy that Greeny was making good money, more than hed made for years and it is their lawful duty to care for his money, so what weve got is NW pushing the band (and why not ? its business and anyone would do the same) and pushing bookers and promoters and record companies. No one else in the band would do it and the court wouldnt even get involved with that sort of thing - running a business. Petger didnt bail out, he was pulled out by the court. he was really looking forward to the US tour that was lined up just before he was pulled, although it was possible he had had enough and wanted a change. Anyway from what Ive read he's appy so thats fine.

SteveMacD

05-31-2005, 05:04 PM

The history of all this over the years says that rumours and 'truths' will always abound. I spose if its in a ledge post it must be the truth then ?
If it's from Mario, it's true. :nod:

SteveMacD

05-31-2005, 05:08 PM

You look at how the Splinter Group disintegrated after Peter left them, and think how easy it would have been for the same thing to have happened to Fleetwood Mac 35 years ago.....
My favorite point today :thumbsup:

For as much **** as Mick Fleetwood takes on this board, we should never forget that he pretty much has held Fleetwood Mac together for nearly forty years, a task for which he should be commended. Think of ALL the personalities that have graced this band and all the BS that went along with it. That couldn't have been easy.

mzero

06-01-2005, 10:32 AM

... incidentally it was Watson who placed him in their care in the first place...

great to have you back posting kyoshi.

i had forgotten this. this is a telling thing about nigel watson. in this it's clear that he had peter's interests in mind. and they were close friends. without nigel i'd have never seen pete play live. and god only knows where pete would be now without nigel and experience in the splinter group. remember what pete said after he started playing out with splinter, 'I'll never stop playing again". we have a lot to thank nigel for. it is really very sad for everyone involved.

but life goes on. the splinter group were working pros before they joined and since. pete stroud has been playing with papa george and is now touring with kim simmonds. roger cotton has his studio (http://www.roundelstudios.co.uk) and has since worked with lots of people, alan glen, dave walker. i don't know where larry or nigel are. well i hope.

zero

chiliD

06-01-2005, 12:22 PM

Larry played with Joe Jackson for years BEFORE his time with the PGSG. He's probably caught on with SOMEBODY at this point. He's WAY too good of a drummer to go unemployed.

Mario

06-01-2005, 05:11 PM

monkeydevil

06-01-2005, 05:28 PM

PGO? Do you mean Greeny, or somebody else?

Of course nobody wants do make things worse for Peter! I sure hopes this court thing will work out the best possible way for Peter.

Mario

06-01-2005, 05:57 PM

No sorry,

PGO are the so-called government minders!

Mario.

chiliD

06-01-2005, 06:49 PM

You look at how the Splinter Group disintegrated after Peter left them, and think how easy it would have been for the same thing to have happened to Fleetwood Mac 35 years ago.....

Or maybe the Splinter Group could get a female blues keyboardist who writes really catchy pop tunes, like Fleetwood Mac did...{hint, hint}...then get a new guitarist/songwriter/lead singer every 18 months for three or four years and then sign on a married (or pseudo-married) couple from California to take up to the top of the charts for a few years. :laugh:

SteveMacD

06-01-2005, 06:54 PM

PGO are the so-called government minders!
Is it short for Public Guardian Organization?

mzero

06-01-2005, 07:11 PM

Is it short for Public Guardian Organization?

hi smd - public guardian office

http://www.guardianship.gov.uk/about/aboutthepgo.htm

mario - i'm very sorry. it didn't occur to me that posts to the forum could cause a problem for peter.

zero

SteveMacD

06-01-2005, 07:42 PM

hi smd - public guardian office
Hey, I was close! :thumbsup:

mzero

06-01-2005, 08:36 PM

Hey, I was close! :thumbsup:

yes you were close. i got it wrong, and i supplied the link. it's public guardianship office. more evidence that zero is an idiot.

zero

Tom

06-01-2005, 09:30 PM

My favorite point today :thumbsup:

For as much **** as Mick Fleetwood takes on this board, we should never forget that he pretty much has held Fleetwood Mac together for nearly forty years, a task for which he should be commended. Think of ALL the personalities that have graced this band and all the BS that went along with it. That couldn't have been easy.

I was wondering if I was the only pro-Mick person around. Maybe I don't know enough about the situation. Have you folks read his book? As I've stated before, I really got the feeling that Mick truly cares about FM, it's legacy, and anyone that has been in the band from the start right up to now.
What don't I know? I'm not looking to start a Mick Fleetwood bashing session. I'm just curious.

chiliD

06-02-2005, 10:08 AM

hi smd - public guardian office

http://www.guardianship.gov.uk/about/aboutthepgo.htm

mario - i'm very sorry. it didn't occur to me that posts to the forum could cause a problem for peter.

zero

PGO....jeez, I thought it meant "Peter Green's Overlords".

Kyoshi

06-03-2005, 05:30 AM

Please

W A R N I N G!!!!!

I hate to write this, but please stop to post about Peter's Courte Case and the current litigation.

I know for sure that PGO checks this forum, and this kind of posting just causes problems!

It's a delicate legal stuff, so please understand the situation!!

Thanks,

Mario.

Hi Mario

Yeah, absolutely. Nobody wants to get involved in interfering with any court case for sure. Some of the history that is not involved is interesting though and its interesting to read posts of other peoples thoughts so long as it doesnt impinge on whats currently going on.

Kyoshi

06-06-2005, 10:49 AM

Kyoshi

06-06-2005, 10:51 AM

Kyoshi

06-06-2005, 10:58 AM

Where did you read that? It doesn't sound very reasonable...

Thanks Kyoshi, for all the info - it's so hard to find out what's going on :confused:

"In the book of life the answers aint in the back". Everyones got a take on it and weve all got observations and thoughts and some have a little bit more info than others, but its never the complete picture and as with all legends we mix up what we expect and dream about and what actually may be the truth, or not dependin' where you stand.