Crush

[NicksIllume]

Several weeks ago, I was in the art studio talking to Dr. Evans. He teaches Biology. Somehow, we started talking about Fleetwood Mac. He informed me that he had a crush on Christine for years. My friend said, "Christine as in keyboards, Songbird...Christine McVie?" He said, "Yes! I love her. She's beautiful." I was in shock. He was the first real live McVie crusher I'd met. I said, "You sure you don't have her mixed up with Stevie?" "No, never cared much for Stevie. Christine's much hotter." Dr. Evans scored many, many points with me. I had to share while I had the time. :)

[SteveMacD]

Actually, I know a lot of guys who feel the same way.

[macfan 57]

Dr. Evans has wonderful taste. :thumbsup: I also personally know several men who have had crushes on Christine through the years.

[GateandGarden]

How cool! I've never met anyone who had a crush on Christine. She is most definitely worthy, though! :nod::nod:

[HomerMcvie]

Not trying to get any Chiffon feathers ruffled, but Christine is a real woman. Strong, beautiful, extremely talented, funny, sexy. Everything a man could hope for. (I forgot rich, too!)
Stevie, to me, just seems so.......weird. Too much a fairy princess. If that's your cup of tea, fine. Me, I'll take "REAL", anyday.

[ThePenguin]

Not trying to get any Chiffon feathers ruffled, but Christine is a real woman. Strong, beautiful, extremely talented, funny, sexy. Everything a man could hope for. (I forgot rich, too!)
Stevie, to me, just seems so.......weird. Too much a fairy princess. If that's your cup of tea, fine. Me, I'll take "REAL", anyday.

I agree w/ all of the above.

Heck, I'm straight, but I've had a crush on Chris forever! :D She just seems like a really beautiful person.

-Lis

[strandinthewind]

I agree w/ all of the above.

Heck, I'm straight, but I've had a crush on Chris forever! :D She just seems like a really beautiful person.

-Lis

I would LOVE to go out drinking with CM. I have a feeling we would be great pub friends :eek:

As for looks, CM is a pretty woman with a distinctive look and she still looks damn good. I love her.

[GateandGarden]

Not trying to get any Chiffon feathers ruffled, but Christine is a real woman. Strong, beautiful, extremely talented, funny, sexy. Everything a man could hope for. (I forgot rich, too!)
Stevie, to me, just seems so.......weird. Too much a fairy princess. If that's your cup of tea, fine. Me, I'll take "REAL", anyday.You don't have to diss Stevie to appreciate Christine. :p

I think they're both incredibly sexy in different ways. I don't like to pit them against each other because it's not fair. We could spend all night talking about things that each has that the other doesn't. They both amaze me. The end. :D

[GypsySorcerer]

You don't have to diss Stevie to appreciate Christine. :p

I think they're both incredibly sexy in different ways. I don't like to pit them against each other because it's not fair. We could spend all night talking about things that each has that the other doesn't. They both amaze me. The end. :D

Ditto. :D I think they're both beautiful.

[SteveMacD]

I would LOVE to go out drinking with CM. I have a feeling we would be great pub friends :eek:
That's funny. I was actually going to say that Christine would make a great drinking buddy, too.

Christine really has that "girl next door" quality about her. Most of us guys have known a girl like Christine: the girl who's one of the guys, but is also a beautiful woman. Still, the beauty isn't necessarily the first thing one notices right away. It's like an added bonus.

[GypsySorcerer]

I would LOVE to go out drinking with CM. I have a feeling we would be great pub friends :eek:

As for looks, CM is a pretty woman with a distinctive look and she still looks damn good. I love her.

If would be tons of fun to drink with Chris. :nod:

[GateandGarden]

If would be tons of fun to drink with Chris. :nod:Yeah, I've been entertaining the weirdest of fantasies lately, and that's another good one that I now have stuck in my head. :laugh: (I think I'd have to do better than the Arbor Mist with Christine, though. :lol: ) I can picture myself having a few drinks with her while she wows me with that beautiful accent and I melt. :nod: :blob1:

[GypsySorcerer]

Yeah, I've been entertaining the weirdest of fantasies lately, and that's another good one that I now have stuck in my head. :laugh: (I think I'd have to do better than the Arbor Mist with Christine, though. :lol: ) I can picture myself having a few drinks with her while she wows me with that beautiful accent and I melt. :nod: :blob1:


We've got to get you off that Arbor Mist. :lol: I need to introduce you to Kentucky bourbon. :nod:

[GateandGarden]

We've got to get you off that Arbor Mist. :lol: I need to introduce you to Kentucky bourbon. :nod:All right! Next time you come down we'll have to get totally wasted! :laugh::lol: :xoxo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

All right! Next time you come down we'll have to get totally wasted! :laugh::lol: :xoxo:



I need invited.

[HomerMcvie]

You don't have to diss Stevie to appreciate Christine. :p

No one said you did. I said Stevie was a little weird, and too much a fairy princess, for me. It was a very civil opinion, IMO. Not dissing. Unless anything other than the highest praise cannot be offered here.

[HomerMcvie]

I would LOVE to go out drinking with CM. I have a feeling we would be great pub friends :eek:
As for looks, CM is a pretty woman with a distinctive look and she still looks damn good. I love her.
Hell, I'm having a drink with her right now. Well, sort of.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's always been how I'd like to meet her. Over a bottle or two of wine. We'd get half lit, play music together, laugh our asses off......
Hey, a fella can dream.....

[macfan 57]

Ah, everybody wants to go out drinking with Christine and now she no longer drinks. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

No one said you did. I said Stevie was a little weird, and too much a fairy princess, for me. It was a very civil opinion, IMO. Not dissing. Unless anything other than the highest praise cannot be offered here.Fairy princess seems condescending. What does that mean, really? I also don't like weird to have a negative connotation. I think I'm a hell of a lot weirder than Stevie (does she have seventeen stethoscopes that she names and is not a medical professional?), and I think it's one of my (few :laugh: ) good qualities that I'm weird. :shrug:

Oh yeah, and you said certainly implied that Christine was the only one who was a "real" woman. That's quite an insult to woman. I'd hate for some chick to say to me, "I want to date someone else, someone who's a real woman." :eek:

Aside from all of that, it's totally unnecessary to bring Stevie into it at all. Why do that? I could talk about Stevie's greatness in her forum and I wouldn't have to say "Yeah, she totally does such and such better than Christine does," or whatever. It's gratuitious. You can say how wonderful Christine is and Stevie does not even need to be mentioned.

[GateandGarden]

I need invited.Let's have a threesome! :woohoo: Oh, wait. Not quite what I meant. :o :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Ah, everybody wants to go out drinking with Christine and now she no longer drinks. :laugh:Wait, she doesn't drink anymore at all? Or she only does it occasionally?

[ThePenguin]

Wait, she doesn't drink anymore at all? Or she only does it occasionally?

I was under the impression she 'quit drinking' a few years ago, didn't she say that in a pretty recent interview?

I'd think that one would be aware of consuming a bit more than one should to begin with, in order to feel the need to 'quit' altogether. She did have a bit of a reputation for being a big wine-drinker for many years...maybe it was more of a problem than was spoken/written about.

I'm very glad both John and Chris have stopped all that. They probably both still smoke like chimneys (chimnies? how do you spell that LOL), but at least the alcohol is out of the equation! ;) (Fingers crossed it always will be, I worry for them too much....)

-Lis

[ontheEdgeof17]

Let's have a threesome! :woohoo: Oh, wait. Not quite what I meant. :o :laugh:


You know you want me. :lol:

[macfan 57]

Chris mentioned in several interviews last year that she quit drinking three years before(2001). I also read a little interview that her manager, Martin Wyatt did & he said exactly the same thing. She never said anything about how she stopped, whether on her own or with professional help. I was shocked, but very happy when she said that she had stopped. I never thought she'd ever stop.

She first quit smoking around 1994 or so, then started up again around 1999 or so, due she said to the stress from her marriage ending. She did mention in that VH1 Classic interview that her voice was in such good shape because she had quit smoking. I'm hoping that she has quit again or at least gives it another try. Whenever I see old pictures of her drinking or smoking, I always worry about her lungs & liver.

[HomerMcvie]

Fairy princess seems condescending.
I meant fairy princess as in: All that mystical crap. Spirit catchers, and all that balogna.
Oh yeah, and you said certainly implied that Christine was the only one who was a "real" woman. That's quite an insult to woman. I'd hate for some chick to say to me, "I want to date someone else, someone who's a real woman." :eek:
By real, I mostly meant REGULAR. NORMAL. Has ANYONE ever called Stevie regular, or normal????? :lol: I think not.

Aside from all of that, it's totally unnecessary to bring Stevie into it at all. Why do that? I could talk about Stevie's greatness in her forum and I wouldn't have to say "Yeah, she totally does such and such better than Christine does," or whatever. It's gratuitious. You can say how wonderful Christine is and Stevie does not even need to be mentioned.
Whew. I'm glad we've got Post Police here to set me straight! :wavey: If I want to include a comparison in my assessment of Chris, that's my right, isn't it? ;) :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

I meant fairy princess as in: All that mystical crap. Spirit catchers, and all that balogna.I can't understand dismissing all of that as "crap," as that seems like a very narrow view, but that's your call.

By real, I mostly meant REGULAR. NORMAL. Has ANYONE ever called Stevie regular, or normal????? :lol: I think not.She's normal enough for me. A lot of the singers I listen to are a lot stranger. Ani DiFranco, par example. Stevie is pretty normal in that she writes about true love, unrequited love, and all that stuff that's a part of your life if you're a human being. I certainly don't call any of her recent material "out there."

Whew. I'm glad we've got Post Police here to set me straight! :wavey: If I want to include a comparison in my assessment of Chris, that's my right, isn't it? ;) :xoxo:Yes, it is your right. I don't mean to say that it isn't your right to do that. But I can't see why it's necessary in the least. When I say that I love my Mom, I just say that I love her. I don't have to talk about how she's better than other people's mothers in order to prove my point. :shrug: I'll say the same thing to someone who goes into Stevie's forum and starts talking about how Stevie so great and Christine is too something or other. It's not fair. I'm not trying to be a bitch in saying all of this, nor am I trying to be so obnoxious that you decide you don't want to talk to me anymore, but I can't help but have a problem with it. And there's so much Stevie bashing going on on her own forum that it's not all that nice for people to be saying she's not normal enough in Christine's forum.

On the other hand, I can't deny that this seems to be what The Ledge is for. We say whatever we think about these people and we shouldn't have to be afraid that someone's going to persecute us for doing so. We don't have to pretend like they're perfect. But by the same token, I can criticize your criticisms because we have that freedom of speech here, right? :D ;) :xoxo:

[amber]

I meant fairy princess as in: All that mystical crap. Spirit catchers, and all that balogna.

By real, I mostly meant REGULAR. NORMAL. Has ANYONE ever called Stevie regular, or normal????? :lol: I think not.

For the record, that "bologna" is part of some peoples religion.
Also? I think Stevie's pretty normal. For instance, right now, I'm sure she'd be referring you to the bun...
And I bet Christine's got some quirks we don't know about... ;)
Also, normal can be boring. Do you really want to talk to someone who always thinks "normal" things, makes "normal" jokes, only ever acts normal, etc.? Dullerific.

[GateandGarden]

For the record, that "bologna" is part of some peoples religion.
Also? I think Stevie's pretty normal. For instance, right now, I'm sure she'd be referring you to the bun...
And I bet Christine's got some quirks we don't know about... ;)
Also, normal can be boring. Do you really want to talk to someone who always thinks "normal" things, makes "normal" jokes, only ever acts normal, etc.? Dullerific.I agree on all accounts. :nod: :xoxo:

I also think it discredits Christine to a degree to compare her to Stevie. I think you are inadvertently doing to her what has been done to her by countless others since the 70s. It's almost as though Christine needs to be compared to Stevie, like she can't ecape that, even with those who love her. She will always be "the other one," and if you have to use Stevie to prove that there's something special about Christine, well is she really so special, then? Let Christine stand alone.

When Stevie said of her, "You'll go on forever--you're that good," she didn't add, "You're so good that you're way better than me," she just left it at that. That was enough.

[HomerMcvie]

It's not fair. I'm not trying to be a bitch in saying all of this, nor am I trying to be so obnoxious that you decide you don't want to talk to me anymore, but I can't help but have a problem with it.
I like you. :xoxo: I said the Stevie remark. I don't over analyze every remark I make(I'm a guy!). I typed it, and stand by my opinion. If it upset you, I'm sorry for that. And there's so much Stevie bashing going on on her own forum that it's not all that nice for people to be saying she's not normal enough in Christine's forum.
Hmmm. I've never been there, but it sounds like a nice place to visit. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wavey:

[COLOR=Blue]On the other hand, I can't deny that this seems to be what The Ledge is for. We say whatever we think about these people and we shouldn't have to be afraid that someone's going to persecute us for doing so. We don't have to pretend like they're perfect. But by the same token, I can criticize your criticisms because we have that freedom of speech here, right? :D ;) :xoxo:
Critisize away. Freedom of speech. Isn't that what I was exercising? :shrug:
:xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

For the record, that "bologna" is part of some peoples religion.
Religion (shudder).
Also? I think Stevie's pretty normal. For instance, right now, I'm sure she'd be referring you to the bun...
Now 25 years ago, I'd have welcomed that referral(if I'd been old enough).
And I bet Christine's got some quirks we don't know about... ;)
Quirks, kinks, etc bring em on. :laugh:
Also, normal can be boring. Do you really want to talk to someone who always thinks "normal" things, makes "normal" jokes, only ever acts normal, etc.? Dullerific.
You know, when I was a freshman in college, I had a girlfriend who was really into Stevie. She herself was very much like Stevie, with all the spacy stuff. Kind of even had Stevie's look. She really, over time, drove me crazy with that stuff. When I broke up with her, she tried to commit suicide, taking a bottle of pills and locking herself in her room. Her friends came and got me. I talked her out of her room, got her to the hospital for a stomach pump, and RAN LIKE HELL. I think that moment is when I developed an aversion to all things mystical. THAT, is why I prefer REAL and NORMAL. :wavey:

[amber]

Religion (shudder).

Now 25 years ago, I'd have welcomed that referral(if I'd been old enough).

Quirks, kinks, etc bring em on. :laugh:

You know, when I was a freshman in college, I had a girlfriend who was really into Stevie. She herself was very much like Stevie, with all the spacy stuff. Kind of even had Stevie's look. She really, over time, drove me crazy with that stuff. When I broke up with her, she tried to commit suicide, taking a bottle of pills and locking herself in her room. Her friends came and got me. I talked her out of her room, got her to the hospital for a stomach pump, and RAN LIKE HELL. I think that moment is when I developed an aversion to all things mystical. THAT, is why I prefer REAL and NORMAL. :wavey:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stevie is normal.

[HomerMcvie]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Stevie is normal.
See? WHY must you talk about Stevie in Christine's forum? Isn't there enough Stevie talking in the Stevie forum? I don't think it's necessary to bring Stevie up in every Christine thread!!! Stevie, Stevie, Stevie!!!! :D :D


btw, normal my ass. :wavey:

[GateandGarden]

I like you. :xoxo: I said the Stevie remark. I don't over analyze every remark I make(I'm a guy!). I typed it, and stand by my opinion. If it upset you, I'm sorry for that.Oh no. I'm not upset. I just disagree. But thanks for clarifying and all, 'cause I wasn't sure if you were okay with us debating. I was afraid I might be pissing you off by continuing it. I'm glad we can do that.
Hmmm. I've never been there, but it sounds like a nice place to visit. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wavey:If you like being critical of Stevie, it's the place for you! Other Stevie message boards? Not so much.
Religion (shudder).:lol::lol::lol::lol:

You know, when I was a freshman in college, I had a girlfriend who was really into Stevie. She herself was very much like Stevie, with all the spacy stuff. Kind of even had Stevie's look. She really, over time, drove me crazy with that stuff. When I broke up with her, she tried to commit suicide, taking a bottle of pills and locking herself in her room. Her friends came and got me. I talked her out of her room, got her to the hospital for a stomach pump, and RAN LIKE HELL. I think that moment is when I developed an aversion to all things mystical. THAT, is why I prefer REAL and NORMAL. :wavey: I can understand your aversion, then. That must have been really, really frustrating and painful. That being said, I don't think it makes it okay to make generalizations, even though I do understand where you're coming from. It's not the same, but it's comparable to someone I know who was raped by two black guys. Ever since, she has had an aversion to black guys and makes a point of staying away from them. I understand why she's afraid but I still don't think it's okay. I hope she gets past it one day so that a whole group of people doesn't have to be held responsible for the actions of two.

[SteveMacD]

Amber and Gateandgarden, get real. This whole thread started when somebody's college professor said he had a crush on Christine. The poster even clarified that the professor did in fact mean Christine, not Stevie, which was a surprise to said poster. So, essentially, this is a thread about why some guys have a crush on Christine and not Stevie. And, Homer, being a GUY, is simply expressing why he has a crush on Christine and not Stevie.

Sorry to burst your chiffon bubble, but Stevie is NOT normal. Normal women don't go around in public always wearing chiffon and platforms (or Reeboks with rhinestones glued to them :rolleyes: ). Normal women don't have a huge entourage. Normal women wear jeans and sneakers, or slacks and blazers, or dresses. In other words, most women are like Christine, not Stevie. But who cares? Do you think Stevie WANTS to be normal? No, she wants to be a star. She wants to be a recognizable celebrity, and the only way to be THAT is to be different. I mean, Mick is different and is easily recognized while John is normal and could easily get lost in a crowd.

Yes, dream catchers are part of certain people's religions, but not Stevie's. She's gone on record as being a born-again Christian. But, that's not why most people think of her as a fragil, fairy princess type. Stevie has her schtick. She's become this caricature that she created YEARS ago, and a lot of people don't buy it. A lot of people also have issues with her twirling and her song topics, which feed into the caricature (and, please note, I'm not saying I don't like the songs listed, because I like most of them):
Rhiannon
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Sisters Of The Moon
Gypsy
Seven Wonders
Paper Doll
Sweet Girl
Illume (9/11)
Running Through The Garden
Bella Donna
Wild Heart
Gate And Garden
Enchanted
Nightbird
Sable On Blond
Beauty And The Beast
Ghosts
Alice
Juliet
Trouble In Shangri-La
Candlebright
Sorcerer
Planets Of The Universe
Bombay Sapphires

While Christine's songs are usually the safest on record, and can be dull, she sings normal, pop love songs. Nothing out of the ordinary. Pretty straight-forward. That's why people can relate to her more on a human level. You'll never see a Christine fan call her "the queen of rock" or refer to her as a "rock godess." Christine is just a normal woman who was asked to join her buddy's blues band, then fell into Fleetwood Mac, and then fell into rock stardom. Christine didn't ask for any of it. She's the antithesis of a rock star. She's one of us, and happened to get lucky. Stevie is almost like a diva. I think she's too nice a person and cares too much about her fans to be called a diva, but she does have that superstar quality about her. She is/was the superstar and the sex symbol of Fleetwood Mac. Christine was just the cute girl next door.

In any event, if you don't want to know why some guys prefer Christine over Stevie, then ignore a thread called "Crush" on the Christine board. You chiffon heads can be so insecure if somebody says they prefer ANYBODY over Stevie.

[amber]

Amber and Gateandgarden, get real. This whole thread started when somebody's college professor said he had a crush on Christine. The poster even clarified that the professor did in fact mean Christine, not Stevie, which was a surprise to said poster. So, essentially, this is a thread about why some guys have a crush on Christine and not Stevie. And, Homer, being a GUY, is simply expressing why he has a crush on Christine and not Stevie.

Sorry to burst your chiffon bubble, but Stevie is NOT normal. Normal women don't go around in public always wearing chiffon and platforms (or Reeboks with rhinestones glued to them :rolleyes: ). Normal women don't have a huge entourage. Normal women wear jeans and sneakers, or slacks and blazers, or dresses. In other words, most women are like Christine, not Stevie. But who cares? Do you think Stevie WANTS to be normal? No, she wants to be a star. She wants to be a recognizable celebrity, and the only way to be THAT is to be different. I mean, Mick is different and is easily recognized while John is normal and could easily get lost in a crowd.

Yes, dream catchers are part of certain people's religions, but not Stevie's. She's gone on record as being a born-again Christian. But, that's not why most people think of her as a fragil, fairy princess type. Stevie has her schtick. She's become this caricature that she created YEARS ago, and a lot of people don't buy it. A lot of people also have issues with her twirling and her song topics, which feed into the caricature (and, please note, I'm not saying I don't like the songs listed, because I like most of them):
Rhiannon
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Sisters Of The Moon
Gypsy
Seven Wonders
Paper Doll
Sweet Girl
Illume (9/11)
Running Through The Garden
Bella Donna
Wild Heart
Gate And Garden
Enchanted
Nightbird
Sable On Blond
Beauty And The Beast
Ghosts
Alice
Juliet
Trouble In Shangri-La
Candlebright
Sorcerer
Planets Of The Universe
Bombay Sapphires

While Christine's songs are usually the safest on record, and can be dull, she sings normal, pop love songs. Nothing out of the ordinary. Pretty straight-forward. That's why people can relate to her more on a human level. You'll never see a Christine fan call her "the queen of rock" or refer to her as a "rock godess." Christine is just a normal woman who was asked to join her buddy's blues band, then fell into Fleetwood Mac, and then fell into rock stardom. Christine didn't ask for any of it. She's the antithesis of a rock star. She's one of us, and happened to get lucky. Stevie is almost like a diva. I think she's too nice a person and cares too much about her fans to be called a diva, but she does have that superstar quality about her. She is/was the superstar and the sex symbol of Fleetwood Mac. Christine was just the cute girl next door.

In any event, if you don't want to know why some guys prefer Christine over Stevie, then ignore a thread called "Crush" on the Christine board. You chiffon heads can be so insecure if somebody says they prefer ANYBODY over Stevie.
Easy, big fella. sheesh. I love that someone had a crush on Christine, i think she is a standup laydeh. I think we were just addressing how Homie felt the need to compare her to Stevie, ie, he started it. :laugh: And quit calling us "insecure", we were just standing up for our girl. Homie's the one who felt the need to compare. And Stevie still doesn't seem that weird to me. I understand her quite well. I guess that makes me weird, then so be it. Get a grip yourownself. And P.S.? just for the record, Stevie does wear normal clothes around. See Destiny Rules doc.- just some nice slacks and jackets. :wavey:

[SteveMacD]

I think we were just addressing how Homie felt the need to compare her to Stevie, ie, he started it. :laugh:
But, the whole point is that the initial poster seemed intrigued that some guys have a crush on Christine, but not Stevie. Now, we guys can't explain why we prefer Christine over Stevie without stating what it is that turns us on to Christine and what turns us off to Stevie.
And quit calling us "insecure", we were just standing up for our girl.
The fact that you feel the need to stick up for your girl on another girl's board is why people call you insecure. :nod:
Homie's the one who felt the need to compare.
Again, you can't tell somebody why you like apples more than oranges without describing what it is about apples you like and oranges you don't like.
And Stevie still doesn't seem that weird to me. I understand her quite well. I guess that makes me weird, then so be it. Get a grip yourownself.
I never said that you or anybody else is weird. (You're still sounding insecure, BTW.) Abnormal, for me, is not at all weird. 'Twould be a boring world without the eccentrics. I love Fleetwood Mac because it's such an unusual mix of normal people and eccentrics. But, if I had to choose between Stevie and Christine for a bride, well, Christine would win, because I want a fairly normal wife. (Of course, if I had to choose a Mac lady for a bride, I'd have to pick Bekka by default, as she's only five years older than I.)
And P.S.? just for the record, Stevie does wear normal clothes around. See Destiny Rules doc.- just some nice slacks and jackets. :wavey:
And, I said that there aren't that many examples of her dressing in anything other than chiffon in public. There are only a handful of pictures I've seen. The recording studio does not constitute being in public. And, this also gets to the heart of what I was saying. That's Stevie's casual, but Christine's semi-formal! There's the difference. Because, Christine is usually in jeans and a casual button down in the studio.

[HomerMcvie]

But, the whole point is that the initial poster seemed intrigued that some guys have a crush on Christine, but not Stevie. Now, we guys can't explain why we prefer Christine over Stevie without stating what it is that turns us on to Christine and what turns us off to Stevie.

The fact that you feel the need to stick up for your girl on another girl's board is why people call you insecure. :nod: But Steven, these opinions aren't allowed in the Chiffonese world. They simply will not TOLERATE any opinion other than pure Stevie worship. Even a mild comparison, with Stevie not being the more enamored, ruffles their feathers into a Chiffonese tizzy. Why they frequent Chris' forum, with their obvious biases, is beyond me. :wavey:

[amber]

But Steven, these opinions aren't allowed in the Chiffonese world. They simply will not TOLERATE any opinion other than pure Stevie worship. Even a mild comparison, with Stevie not being the more enamored, ruffles their feathers into a Chiffonese tizzy. Why they frequent Chris' forum, with their obvious biases, is beyond me. :wavey:
Why do you guys even care? Now you're making up stories about us living in a special "Chiffonese" world? geez. You're the one who started comparing, and yet you don't understand when we say something? Right now, by calling us names, you are the ones getting all upset because we stood up for Stevie. And, by the way, I don't think any of us said anything negative at all about Chris. :shrug: And you're saying we shouldn't look at Chris's forum, cause we like Stevie? :lol: that's so dumb, we like Chris and Stevie. And, if I'm not mistaken, Hillary really likes Chris. :lol: seriously, you're cracking me up right now!

[HomerMcvie]

Why do you guys even care? Now you're making up stories about us living in a special "Chiffonese" world? geez. You're the one who started comparing, and yet you don't understand when we say something? Right now, by calling us names, you are the ones getting all upset because we stood up for Stevie. And, by the way, I don't think any of us said anything negative at all about Chris. :shrug: And you're saying we shouldn't look at Chris's forum, cause we like Stevie? :lol: that's so dumb, we like Chris and Stevie. And, if I'm not mistaken, Hillary really likes Chris. :lol: seriously, you're cracking me up right now!
AMber, this IS Chris' forum. We came here praising her personality in this thread. I love you dear, but you're a little out of place in this thread. Let it go. Perhaps you have a little too much free time.... :xoxo:

[amber]

AMber, this IS Chris' forum. We came here praising her personality in this thread. I love you dear, but you're a little out of place in this thread. Let it go. Perhaps you have a little too much free time.... :xoxo:
Seriously, you're high. Anyone who likes Chris, or anyone at all, can come here. Get a grip, you do not own the Chris forum. And I encourage you to read back. I never said anything bad about Chris. Thank you, that is all.

[Johnny Stew]

But Steven, these opinions aren't allowed in the Chiffonese world. They simply will not TOLERATE any opinion other than pure Stevie worship.I think the fellow who said "We are all so loyal to our Queen, she can do no wrong," in regards to Christine, probably shouldn't take pot-shots at Stevie's fans. ;)

While I'm here, I'd also like to take the opportunity to comment on this:Stevie has her schtick. She's become this caricature that she created YEARS ago, and a lot of people don't buy it.As I've said before, I find the discussions of Stevie's "worn-out schtick" from Christine's and Lindsey's fans to be highly ironic.

To me, Stevie's persona is no more unbelievable than Christine's four decades worth of singing love songs to guys who done her wrong but for whom she'd still sit at home and wait.
Or Lindsey's three decades of selling himself as a quirky "artiste" who's outside the mainstream, while readily alligning himself to big-ticket record companies who can get him the biggest cash advance.

Sure, Stevie's a middle-aged "fairy princess" who still writes about a relationship that broke up 25 years ago, but then Christine's a middle-aged co-dependent who still writes love songs to guys who only call her when they need a ride to the airport, and Lindsey's a middle-aged millionaire mansion-dweller who writes songs chastizing "the man" and his bureaucracies.

Someone can call all of that "schtick," but I call it part of what makes them each interesting as people and songwriters.

[SteveMacD]

Why do you guys even care? Now you're making up stories about us living in a special "Chiffonese" world? geez.
Huh??? I referred to you as a chiffon head, which is a term for Stevie die-hards. I also refer to myself as a Byrdmaniac, as I'm a fan of the Byrds, and "Byrdmaniax" was the title of one of their albums, and of course I'm a Mac Head. Why do chiffon heads read WAY too much into things?
You're the one who started comparing, and yet you don't understand when we say something? Right now, by calling us names, you are the ones getting all upset because we stood up for Stevie.
Because it wasn't appropriate. The very nature of this thread was to compare Christine and Stevie in a way that is more complimentary to Christine, which is something one would expect on a thread called CRUSH on a CHRISTINE board! :nod:
And, by the way, I don't think any of us said anything negative at all about Chris. :shrug:
No, but your comments took away from the discussion we were having about Christine. In other words, you couldn't let Christine have her moment. You had to start defending Stevie's honor in a way that was really unnecessary. Homer was just explainging why he liked Christine more than Stevie, and was actually using some specifics.
And you're saying we shouldn't look at Chris's forum, cause we like Stevie? :lol: that's so dumb,
Indeed it is dumb, which is why nobody ever said it. All we're saying is that if you cannot accept the fact that folks on the Christine forum have a different attitude towards Stevie sometimes, then maybe you should refrain from taking part in certain discussions. To put it another way, I'm a huge Bekka fan. I learned years ago that if I were going to defend Bekka's honor every time Stevie fans made an off-color comment on a Stevie message board, I'd be typing all day long. And for what? I certainly wasn't going to convert any chiffon heads, just as you're not going to convert Homer. So I learned to just bite my lip every once in a while.

[amber]

whatev, dude. you are wrong. rock on.

[Johnny Stew]

I don't think Amber and Hillary were so much "defending Stevie's honor," as wondering why the two women need to be compared.
Yes, Erica mentioned wondering if perhaps her professor meant "Stevie" when he said "Christine," but it really didn't have to lead into a comparison of the two.

From what I read in their posts, all Hillary and Amber were trying to say... which is something I'd think all Christine fans would be on board with... is that Christine does not need to be compared to Stevie in order to be praised or complimented. Nor does Stevie's appeal need to be dissmissed in order for Christine to look good.

Christine can, and should, stand on her own merits. :nod:

And if Homer's tired of hearing about Stevie so often on Christine's Forum, he shouldn't take so many opportunities to mention her. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

I think the fellow who said "We are all so loyal to our Queen, she can do no wrong," in regards to Christine, probably shouldn't take pot-shots at Stevie's fans. ;)
If I know Homer as well as I think I do, I think he was being just a little sarcastic. It was tounge-and-cheek.
As I've said before, I find the discussions of Stevie's "worn-out schtick" from Christine's and Lindsey's fans to be highly ironic.
Ah, but your assuming I'm a Christine or Lindsey fan. My top two are Mick and John, although I love all of the singers/songwriters who've been in Fleetwood Mac. Hey, I'm a sucker for a really good rhythm section.
To me, Stevie's persona is no more unbelievable than Christine's four decades worth of singing love songs to guys who done her wrong but for whom she'd still sit at home and wait.
Or Lindsey's three decades of selling himself as a quirky "artiste" who's outside the mainstream, while readily alligning himself to big-ticket record companies who can get him the biggest cash advance.

Sure, Stevie's a middle-aged "fairy princess" who still writes about a relationship that broke up 25 years ago, but then Christine's a middle-aged co-dependent who still writes love songs to guys who only call her when they need a ride to the airport, and Lindsey's a middle-aged millionaire mansion-dweller who writes songs chastizing "the man" and his bureaucracies.

Someone can call all of that "schtick," but I call it part of what makes them each interesting as people and songwriters.
I can't say I disagree about Lindsey. I think he wants to be an indy rocker, but damn he gets a lot of zeros in his Fleetwood Mac royalties! But people can relate to chastizing "the man." We're all part of some system in which we don't have much control. So his actions speak louder than his words. His words tend to be more in line with John Q. Public's feelings.

I will say that I disagree about Christine. As a social worker, and a co-dependent, I've noticed over the years that once a co-dependent, always a co-dependent. Maybe that's a reason why I like Christine so much. I can personally relate to wanting whoever to finally do the right thing. I could get screwed a thousand times, but I'd still hope for a happy ending. So that's not so much schtick, but a personality flaw. Sadly many have this flaw, which is again another reason why so many can relate to her words.

Personally, I don't really try to understand or analyze what Stevie's saying in a lot of her songs. I just sit back and enjoy it. To do otherwise would require a few beers and a Little Orphan Annie decoder ring, and I don't have that kind of time. Instead, I enjoy her songs like I would an abstract painting, and just appreciate it for what it is. However, I do that because I really enjoy her music. For some it's just a taste they never acquire. Her music is just something they really don't understand and can't relate to.

[SteveMacD]

I don't think Amber and Hillary were so much "defending Stevie's honor," as wondering why the two women need to be compared.
But why was it necessary on a Christine board? If it were on a Fleetwood Mac board, it would be a different story.
Yes, Erica mentioned wondering if perhaps her professor meant "Stevie" when he said "Christine," but it really didn't have to lead into a comparison of the two.
The fact that there was the "oh, you really DON'T mean Stevie" element of surprise on Erica's part in some way set the stage. It's the logical next step in the discussion. It's the "here's why I have a crush on Christine, but not Stevie" explanation that was really bound to follow. Let's be honest, when talking about crushes and Fleetwood Mac, the top two mentioned are Lindsey and Stevie. Chris is often called "the other woman in Fleetwood Mac," and I think that's how a lot of people view her. So it may seem odd to some why they would have the crush on the "plain" woman over the sex symbol. This thread was trying to explain why, and to do that we have to look at the plain vs. the sex symbol.
From what I read in their posts, all Hillary and Amber were trying to say... which is something I'd think all Christine fans would be on board with... is that Christine does not need to be compared to Stevie in order to be praised or complimented. Nor does Stevie's appeal need to be dissmissed in order for Christine to look good.
And what we're saying is that Stevie doesn't always have to be defended, especially on a Christine McVie board. It was inappropriate to come to Stevie's defense in this particular instance. I appreciate that she's their favorite, but we don't go on the Stevie board and throw a fit every time Stevie's called "the Queen of Rock" or a "rock godess." If this discussion were on the Stevie board or the Fleetwood Mac board, that would be a different story. Furthermore, the twisting of what was said and then making a federal case out of it was pretty unwarranted. I agree that people are entitled to their opinions, but they're also entitled to NOT have their words twisted around so that it appears they said or implied something they did not so that somebody else can win an argument.
Christine can, and should, stand on her own merits. :nod:
And if we want to state all the reasons we love her, we should without somebody coming to Stevie's defense.
And if Homer's tired of hearing about Stevie so often on Christine's Forum, he shouldn't take so many opportunities to mention her. :laugh:
Well, maybe. But in this instance, I don't think he was wrong.

[HomerMcvie]

And if Homer's tired of hearing about Stevie so often on Christine's Forum, he shouldn't take so many opportunities to mention her. :laugh:
I'm soooo sleepy, and just checked back in, before hitting the hay. If you didn't take Stevie, Stevie, Stevie,....... for Marcia, Marcia, Marcia, well, you need to go study some pop culture, Brian. Where's my football? :rolleyes:
And, for the record, I WAS comparing my favorite Mac woman to the one that nearly everyone else raves about. That's my right. And this IS Chris' forum. I NEVER bother anyone on the What's Her Name forum(never even opened it). I literally couldn't care less.
You guys are dorks. :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

Amber and Gateandgarden, get real. This whole thread started when somebody's college professor said he had a crush on Christine. The poster even clarified that the professor did in fact mean Christine, not Stevie, which was a surprise to said poster. So, essentially, this is a thread about why some guys have a crush on Christine and not Stevie. And, Homer, being a GUY, is simply expressing why he has a crush on Christine and not Stevie.

Sorry to burst your chiffon bubble, but Stevie is NOT normal. Normal women don't go around in public always wearing chiffon and platforms (or Reeboks with rhinestones glued to them :rolleyes: ). Normal women don't have a huge entourage. Normal women wear jeans and sneakers, or slacks and blazers, or dresses. In other words, most women are like Christine, not Stevie. But who cares? Do you think Stevie WANTS to be normal? No, she wants to be a star. She wants to be a recognizable celebrity, and the only way to be THAT is to be different. I mean, Mick is different and is easily recognized while John is normal and could easily get lost in a crowd.

Yes, dream catchers are part of certain people's religions, but not Stevie's. She's gone on record as being a born-again Christian. But, that's not why most people think of her as a fragil, fairy princess type. Stevie has her schtick. She's become this caricature that she created YEARS ago, and a lot of people don't buy it. A lot of people also have issues with her twirling and her song topics, which feed into the caricature (and, please note, I'm not saying I don't like the songs listed, because I like most of them):
Rhiannon
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Sisters Of The Moon
Gypsy
Seven Wonders
Paper Doll
Sweet Girl
Illume (9/11)
Running Through The Garden
Bella Donna
Wild Heart
Gate And Garden
Enchanted
Nightbird
Sable On Blond
Beauty And The Beast
Ghosts
Alice
Juliet
Trouble In Shangri-La
Candlebright
Sorcerer
Planets Of The Universe
Bombay Sapphires

While Christine's songs are usually the safest on record, and can be dull, she sings normal, pop love songs. Nothing out of the ordinary. Pretty straight-forward. That's why people can relate to her more on a human level. You'll never see a Christine fan call her "the queen of rock" or refer to her as a "rock godess." Christine is just a normal woman who was asked to join her buddy's blues band, then fell into Fleetwood Mac, and then fell into rock stardom. Christine didn't ask for any of it. She's the antithesis of a rock star. She's one of us, and happened to get lucky. Stevie is almost like a diva. I think she's too nice a person and cares too much about her fans to be called a diva, but she does have that superstar quality about her. She is/was the superstar and the sex symbol of Fleetwood Mac. Christine was just the cute girl next door.

In any event, if you don't want to know why some guys prefer Christine over Stevie, then ignore a thread called "Crush" on the Christine board. You chiffon heads can be so insecure if somebody says they prefer ANYBODY over Stevie.I'm not going to argue with everything here because I agree with some of what you've said. BUT, I don't see how you can call me or Amber "chiffonheads," considering we both criticize Stevie openly. Or maybe I don't understand exactly what a chiffonhead is. Maybe I don't have to be crazy to be a chiffonhead. Nevertheless, I don't really appreciate it being used in a derogatory way (sp?) to categorize me. About Stevie being normal, I agree that in comparison to the average person she is not normal, but she is normal for a superstar, in my opinion. She is also normal for a rich person. She owns some things that some of us consider unnecessary or even tacky, but don't most people with lots of money? You said that she's different, and she has to be in order to be famous. But does being different making someone abnormal? I don't think so. :shrug:

I think you misread me when you say that I'm upset because someone prefers Christine over Stevie. I feel like you're not reading my posts very thoroughly. But, I will give you this--it is unfair of me to fault Homie for bringing Stevie into when Stevie was in it from the first post. I let that slip my mind--you're right.

About the song list...lots of people have creative bones in their bodies. Lots of people are even more "out there" (sorry that this is overused by me at this point) than Stevie is. What do those songs prove? That she's capable of using metaphors? Imagery? That makes her a writer. That doesn't really make her abnormal, IMO.

Oh yeah, and my name's Hillary. It's in my sig. ;) :) :wavey:

[GateandGarden]

But Steven, these opinions aren't allowed in the Chiffonese world. They simply will not TOLERATE any opinion other than pure Stevie worship. Even a mild comparison, with Stevie not being the more enamored, ruffles their feathers into a Chiffonese tizzy. Why they frequent Chris' forum, with their obvious biases, is beyond me. :wavey:I don't agree with any of this stuff about 'not tolerating any opinion other than Stevie worship.' I've admitted that I was wrong about some of the things I said, but, like Steven, I don't think you're really reading my posts, either. :shrug:

EDIT: And another thing, I frequent Chris' forum because I love her, her voice, her style, her beauty, and on and on...not because of what you said.

[GateandGarden]

I never said that you or anybody else is weird. (You're still sounding insecure, BTW.) Abnormal, for me, is not at all weird. 'Twould be a boring world without the eccentrics.Okay, well, you and Homie appear to disagree there. You say that Stevie is not weird, just abnormal because she's not like the rest of us plain folk. Earlier, Homie said that Stevie is. 'Tis me being nit-picky, though.

And this is not relevant to what I just said, really, but why are Amber and I being persecuted for defending Stevie here? I would defend Christine in an instant if I saw someone putting her down in the Stevie forum. :nod:

I don't know why you're painting me and Amber as people who live in fantasy worlds, because I think we're both "real" people. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

And you're saying we shouldn't look at Chris's forum, cause we like Stevie? :lol: that's so dumb, we like Chris and Stevie. And, if I'm not mistaken, Hillary really likes Chris. :lol: seriously, you're cracking me up right now!Sorry that I'm being repetitive but I'm just now going through all of these posts. Amber's right about me. (Hence the lovely Stevie & Chris banner that Mikki made me). Stevie was my first love from the Mac but I fell in love with Christine last summer when I got all into her Mirage songs, particularly "Only Over You," which no one but me likes. :laugh: I don't know why my devotion to her is in question. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

Seriously, you're high. Anyone who likes Chris, or anyone at all, can come here. Get a grip, you do not own the Chris forum. And I encourage you to read back. I never said anything bad about Chris. Thank you, that is all.Agreed. :nod:

But I think we should start a thread about Stevie in her forum, and then let it develop into something all about Chris. :laugh:

[amber]

Agreed. :nod:

But I think we should start a thread about Stevie in her forum, and then let it develop into something all about Chris. :laugh:
:laugh:
I guess that's fair. But most Stevie threads go off topic anyway, so no skin off my nose.

[GateandGarden]

:laugh:
I guess that's fair. But most Stevie threads go off topic anyway, so no skin off my nose.True, true. It's just arguing, flirting, and sexual inneudendo (sp?--I can't spell today) instead of Christine McVie. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

I'm not going to argue with everything here because I agree with some of what you've said. BUT, I don't see how you can call me or Amber "chiffonheads," considering we both criticize Stevie openly. Or maybe I don't understand exactly what a chiffonhead is. Maybe I don't have to be crazy to be a chiffonhead.

Well, again, it's just a term that is used to describe Stevie die-hards. A chiffonhead is to Stevie what a Deadhead is to the Grateful Dead. You don't have to be crazy.
About Stevie being normal, I agree that in comparison to the average person she is not normal, but she is normal for a superstar, in my opinion. She is also normal for a rich person. She owns some things that some of us consider unnecessary or even tacky, but don't most people with lots of money? You said that she's different, and she has to be in order to be famous. But does being different making someone abnormal? I don't think so. :shrug:
Okay, I think I see where the difference is. You're talking more about Stevie the person, where we're talking about Stevie the persona. I agree that compared to most celeberties, she's normal. However, Christine is normal in comparison to the average person, hence why people refer to Christine as being normal, regular, real, etc. What we're saying is that Christine is one of us. I could totally picture running into Christine at the grocery store. Stevie, not so much. By all accounts, Stevie ALWAYS had that superstar quality. She was even prom queen. To us a "That '70s Show" analogy, Christine is to Donna what Stevie is to Jackie. Incidentally, I still say the tackiest thing I've seen Stevie with in recent times is that plastic singing fish!
I think you misread me when you say that I'm upset because someone prefers Christine over Stevie. I feel like you're not reading my posts very thoroughly. But, I will give you this--it is unfair of me to fault Homie for bringing Stevie into when Stevie was in it from the first post. I let that slip my mind--you're right.

And, that is what I had the issue with, more than anything. Keep in mind that I have been a part of the Fleetwood Mac on-line community for about ten years and have seen certain patterns over that time. One, the biggest snobs, truth be told, are the Peter Green-only fans. If Pete's not on it, it's got cooties. Second, most people have some type of issue with Mick. Of course, I still say the band was better off when he was the manager. Over 25 million albums sold can't be wrong! And third, whenever somebody says something about Stevie that is not complimentary, there will always be a Stevie fan to come to her defense, no matter how minor what was actually said, and another to give the "you go girl" supportive response. So, after nearly a decade, many of us have taken to assuming certain things here and there. Maybe we're assuming correctly, maybe not. And, let's be honest, what Homer said was pretty minor. Look at the first reply to said post. In any event, I just thought it funny that people would critique a GUY for explaining why some GUYS have a crush on Christine. His answer was honest, and was fairly common. It's not the first time I've heard that comparison.
About the song list...lots of people have creative bones in their bodies. Lots of people are even more "out there" (sorry that this is overused by me at this point) than Stevie is. What do those songs prove? That she's capable of using metaphors? Imagery? That makes her a writer. That doesn't really make her abnormal, IMO.
But her use of metaphores and imagry is lost on a lot of people. WE get it, but then WE're fans. Yes, there are even more out there writers, but they are often not in a situation where they're getting equal time with two other songwriters. In the context of Fleetwood Mac, where she was working with writers who wrote about issues that were pretty straight-forward, her songs can sound silly to the unanointed. Here's a love song, here's an angry song, here's a song about a witch/gypsy/bird...you get my point. In that context, Christine almost always comes out as the normal one.

[jbrownsjr]

We've got to get you off that Arbor Mist. :lol: I need to introduce you to Kentucky bourbon. :nod:

u guys are pro drinkers! u would drink me under the table with that stuff :nod:

[jbrownsjr]

I agree on all accounts. :nod: :xoxo:

I also think it discredits Christine to a degree to compare her to Stevie. I think you are inadvertently doing to her what has been done to her by countless others since the 70s. It's almost as though Christine needs to be compared to Stevie, like she can't ecape that, even with those who love her. She will always be "the other one," and if you have to use Stevie to prove that there's something special about Christine, well is she really so special, then? Let Christine stand alone.

When Stevie said of her, "You'll go on forever--you're that good," she didn't add, "You're so good that you're way better than me," she just left it at that. That was enough.


haha!! great one

[chiliD]

:laugh:
I guess that's fair. But most Stevie threads go off topic anyway, so no skin off my nose.

Actually, just about ALL threads go off topic.

[jbrownsjr]

Here's my opinion for what its worth.

Who cares what board we are in when the conversation morph's into a Stevie/Christine discussion. I like talking about Stevie Nicks in comparison to Christine and vice versa. All these topics go off subject all the time.
I love Christine McVie and I like Stevie Nicks and I don't give a rats ass who thinks what about them. I don't find the need to defend McVie because she's solid. As for Stevie, she gets a lot more credit because she has that American Dollface and her songs had the Janis Joplin "light up the stage" type singing. Both woman are very happy with their lives. Christine never wanted fame, just money. Stevie wanted both money and fame. Both have written fantastic and bad music. Both deserve every penny they got. Both helped each other survive in the music world. B&N would have flopped and FMac would have eventually disbanded after a solid showing of 10 or so albums. (probably)

Everything else is personal preference. I never find the need to attack someone else's opinion, just the need to disagree or agree. Everything else after that is just pushing buttons.

And Johnny Stew, you need to stare at ur Stevie Nicks poster for 2 more hours today for getting involved! :D

[Gailh]

:laugh:
so no skin off my nose.

As the man who'd just been circumcised said! :laugh:

Gail

[amber]

As the man who'd just been circumcised said! :laugh:

Gail
*groan* :lol: :lol: :laugh:

[NicksIllume]

For the love of a songbird, I didn't mean to cause any arguments or conflict with the post.

[SteveMacD]

For the love of a songbird, I didn't mean to cause any arguments or conflict with the post.
:laugh: It happens all the time.

[GateandGarden]

Well, again, it's just a term that is used to describe Stevie die-hards. A chiffonhead is to Stevie what a Deadhead is to the Grateful Dead. You don't have to be crazy.Okay.

Okay, I think I see where the difference is. You're talking more about Stevie the person, where we're talking about Stevie the persona. I agree that compared to most celeberties, she's normal. However, Christine is normal in comparison to the average person, hence why people refer to Christine as being normal, regular, real, etc. What we're saying is that Christine is one of us. I could totally picture running into Christine at the grocery store. Stevie, not so much. By all accounts, Stevie ALWAYS had that superstar quality. She was even prom queen. To us a "That '70s Show" analogy, Christine is to Donna what Stevie is to Jackie. Incidentally, I still say the tackiest thing I've seen Stevie with in recent times is that plastic singing fish!Yeah, the plastic fish is pretty bad! :eek: But I don't know about Christine. It seems like people think they have her figured out, but I wonder sometimes. She's so private. She purposefully put herself in the background. She didn't want fame, as we've said many times. To me, this implies that there's a whole lot more to her than any of us will ever know. I tend to be attracted to personalities like hers because I think, Won't it be great if I'm the one person who really gets to know her? People who are like puzzles are thrilling to know, IMO. Maybe there are all kinds of private aspects of her life that are more bizarre than we think, and they would be fascinating, but the point is that we're not supposed to know because she never really wanted us to, right? She didn't want to be "the star" of the band. Am I making sense? I've been thinking about this for awhile but have never voiced it on this board. (Or any board).
And, that is what I had the issue with, more than anything. Keep in mind that I have been a part of the Fleetwood Mac on-line community for about ten years and have seen certain patterns over that time. One, the biggest snobs, truth be told, are the Peter Green-only fans. If Pete's not on it, it's got cooties. Second, most people have some type of issue with Mick. Of course, I still say the band was better off when he was the manager. Over 25 million albums sold can't be wrong! And third, whenever somebody says something about Stevie that is not complimentary, there will always be a Stevie fan to come to her defense, no matter how minor what was actually said, and another to give the "you go girl" supportive response. So, after nearly a decade, many of us have taken to assuming certain things here and there. Maybe we're assuming correctly, maybe not. And, let's be honest, what Homer said was pretty minor. Look at the first reply to said post. In any event, I just thought it funny that people would critique a GUY for explaining why some GUYS have a crush on Christine. His answer was honest, and was fairly common. It's not the first time I've heard that comparison.I know. I would probably jump to conclusions if I were you, too. I imagine that the same kinds of people pop up over and over again. It's inevitable. I still just have a problem with the whole comparison thing. I really do think it takes something away from both people, if the one you're praising can't stand alone and you have to make the other one look bad. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that I like Stevie more than Lindsey and I have since day one, but I would feel bad if I said something like "I love such and such about Stevie because it's better than such and such about Lindsey." I just don't think it's fair. These people are so different from each other that they can't be compared. And why do you keep saying "GUYS" in all caps like that? Some of us chicks only like chicks! :laugh: :] Are we qualified to talk about that at all? :D (I usually make out with people I don't know, but I think I could make out with both of those ladies if they wanted to! :laugh: )
But her use of metaphores and imagry is lost on a lot of people. WE get it, but then WE're fans. Yes, there are even more out there writers, but they are often not in a situation where they're getting equal time with two other songwriters. In the context of Fleetwood Mac, where she was working with writers who wrote about issues that were pretty straight-forward, her songs can sound silly to the unanointed. Here's a love song, here's an angry song, here's a song about a witch/gypsy/bird...you get my point. In that context, Christine almost always comes out as the normal one.Yeah, I see your point there.

[Johnny Stew]

And Johnny Stew, you need to stare at ur Stevie Nicks poster for 2 more hours today for getting involved! :DDangit, John... have you been peeking in my windows again?! :xoxo: :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I NEVER bother anyone on the What's Her Name forum(never even opened it). I literally couldn't care less.It's ok, Homie, you don't have to visit the Stevie Forum... you talk about her enough everywhere else (even in your sig lines)! :laugh: :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

Well, again, it's just a term that is used to describe Stevie die-hards. A chiffonhead is to Stevie what a Deadhead is to the Grateful Dead. You don't have to be crazy.By the way, David recently explained the origins of "Chiffonhead," and it definitely wasn't meant to be a term of endearment. Over the years, many of Stevie's fans have taken on the appellation with good humour, but it's still often used by others as a derogatory write-off.

[jbrownsjr]

:xoxo: For the love of a songbird, I didn't mean to cause any arguments or conflict with the post.


hell no, i welcome ur opinions!! :xoxo:

[jbrownsjr]

It's ok, Homie, you don't have to visit the Stevie Forum... you talk about her enough everywhere else (even in your sig lines)! :laugh: :xoxo:


hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was good :lol:

[SteveMacD]

I still just have a problem with the whole comparison thing. I really do think it takes something away from both people, if the one you're praising can't stand alone and you have to make the other one look bad.
Actually, in most contexts, I would completely agree. I ALWAYS get a little miffed when people start trashing Billy, Rick, Bekka, and Dave (the nineth member of the Mac to be inducted, albeit with Traffic). Some Green fans get on my nerves when they dismiss everything after Peter. Lindsey/Stevie fans annoy me when they say things like there was no Mac before Stevie and Lindsey, or that Fleetwood Mac was just a blues band prior to 1975. (Wow, I bet Bob Welch would be shocked to learn he's a blues man.) For me, it's all good. But this is a little different in that we are talking about human attraction.
And why do you keep saying "GUYS" in all caps like that? Some of us chicks only like chicks! :laugh: :] Are we qualified to talk about that at all? :D
Actually, I keep saying GUYS because, well, I've seen the guys Christine has gone for, and honestly, if I were twenty years older, I'd have a shot. I mean, what a wonderful woman. She's pretty, she's down-to-earth, she's talented, she likes dogs, she's rich and famous, she has (or had) a boat, and she likes men of the two-to-three-beers-before-they-seem-like-a-good-idea variety. She's everything I've ever wanted in a woman! But, yes, I guess girls who like girls can talk about that, too.
(I usually make out with people I don't know, but I think I could make out with both of those ladies if they wanted to! :laugh: )
:] :thumbsup: YOU GO GIRL!!!

[chiliD]

Well, again, it's just a term that is used to describe Stevie die-hards. A chiffonhead is to Stevie what a Deadhead is to the Grateful Dead.
Mmm-hmmmm....sure, Steve. Nice gloss job. :D

By the way, David recently explained the origins of "Chiffonhead," and it definitely wasn't meant to be a term of endearment. Over the years, many of Stevie's fans have taken on the appellation with good humour, but it's still often used by others as a derogatory write-off.
Actually, I'd say that Steve is closer to "the origins" of the term...the derrogatory intent came later. Just 180 degrees OPPOSITE of "Deadhead"...which STARTED as a derrogatory term and evolved into an endearment...because those who WERE described as "Deadheads" TOOK it as a compliment, in SPITE of and in the face of how it was intended. And, we see where it has gotten.

So, for those who take offense at the "chiffonhead" label...toss aside the offense and wear the moniker proudly...you deserve it. I used to be one YEARS before the term was coined...so, from 1975 to about 1983 were my "chiffonhead" years...I'm proud of 'em. :shrug:



You don't have to be crazy.
But...it helps! :]

[SteveMacD]

But...it helps! :]
It ALWAYS helps :D

[Johnny Stew]

So, for those who take offense at the "chiffonhead" label...toss aside the offense and wear the moniker proudly...you deserve it. I used to be one YEARS before the term was coined...so, from 1975 to about 1983 were my "chiffonhead" years...I'm proud of 'em. :shrug:I've always been extremely proud to be a Stevie fan, no matter what someone else might call me in the process. :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

It ALWAYS helps :DHell, you have to be a little crazy just to survive life!

Or, as I always say: Everyone is crazy -- some people are just better at hiding it.

[jbrownsjr]

u guys are a lot of fun today! :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

Homer!! go post in the stevie thread

i set up a thread just for you!!


please do it for a good laugh!!! :angel:

[HomerMcvie]

Homer!! go post in the stevie thread

i set up a thread just for you!!


please do it for a good laugh!!! :angel:
I'd rather not. I prefer my official position of never having inhaled, I mean partaken.
Gawddamned DSL's been down since I woke up today. Hillbilly phone company! It doesn't work 1-2 days a month, usually on a rainy day(not the case today).
All these reference to me! I'm almost flattered. I want to make a tiny Stevie slur, but I find it's not worth the publicity. :xoxo: :D :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

It's ok, Homie, you don't have to visit the Stevie Forum... you talk about her enough everywhere else (even in your sig lines)! :laugh: :xoxo:
Well, Brian, Lard knows I love her. Sorry, I meant loathe her. I DON'T loathe her, only her army... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[amber]

Well, Brian, Lard knows I love her. Sorry, I meant loathe her. I DON'T loathe her, only her army... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We are not an army, we are ambassadors of dreams,goodwill, and good lighting for everyone! :lol: :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Well, Brian, Lard knows I love her. Sorry, I meant loathe her. I DON'T loathe her, only her army... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:I know, Homie... it's just fun to tease you, because you usually sound more obsessed with her than we do! ;) :laugh:

Stevie! Stevie! Stevie!

[HomerMcvie]

I know, Homie... it's just fun to tease you, because you usually sound more obsessed with her than we do! ;) :laugh:

Stevie! Stevie! Stevie!
Trust me, my JOB is defending my Christine to the army. Why didn't Stevie retire? She's the one who can't sing out of a 5 note scale anymore.(I TRY to avoid this kind of comment, but this one is for you, Bri Bri). :rolleyes:

[Johnny Stew]

Why didn't Stevie retire?Because more people would miss her! :laugh:

That one was just for you, Homie. ;) :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Because more people would miss her! :laugh:

That one was just for you, Homie. ;) :xoxo:
That's okay. Popularity is for the masses. I have no interest in that. The road less taken, or some poetic crap like that... :xoxo:

[amber]

That's okay. Popularity is for the masses. I have no interest in that. The road less taken, or some poetic crap like that... :xoxo:
Christine doesn't like poetic crap.










:lol: :lol: :lol:





I'm toooooootally teasing you. :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Christine doesn't like poetic crap.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm toooooootally teasing you. :xoxo:
I love you darlin', even if you belong to the Army. :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

Popularity is for the masses. I have no interest in that.The masses that made all of those Christine songs Top 40 hits?

Don't see ya complaining about that popularity. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

The masses that made all of those Christine songs Top 40 hits?

Don't see ya complaining about that popularity. :laugh:
MOST of what I like isn't popular. Popularity is/was merely a side effect, and has NO bearing on my affection.
I, for the most part (with the exception of FM), listen to indie artists only. Anymore, if it's MASS marketed, it surely sucks. If it appeals to everybody, something must be wrong with it. Lowest common denominator.....

[HomerMcvie]

AND, I'm happy that she made a mint in FM. She paid her dues, much more than any other Rumours songwriters. She's earned every penny.

[amber]

MOST of what I like isn't popular. Popularity is/was merely a side effect, and has NO bearing on my affection.
I, for the most part (with the exception of FM), listen to indie artists only. Anymore, if it's MASS marketed, it surely sucks. If it appeals to everybody, something must be wrong with it. Lowest common denominator.....
So general, and seemingly so cool, yet so wrong, somehow. Ah, mass generalizations. How I loathe thee....Also, it seems weird coming from someone who says they like normal, plain, regular, everyday things. Confuse Me? Seems a bit dichotomous.
hehehehehehe. :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

I'm very much like you... most of what I like isn't popular or is only marginally popular. And, of course, there are the artists I adore who were once popular, but would now be considered "has-beens."

I just listen to what turns me on, and I ignore whether or not anyone else likes it. (Well, ok, I will admit that I take pride in Fleetwood Mac/Stevie/Christine/Lindsey having a hit album or song... because, to me, it feels like the hometeam won the World Series.)

If it appeals to everybody, something must be wrong with it. Lowest common denominator.....Well, I don't necessarily agree with that. Some songs are hugely successful because they're just so damned incredible, it's hard to not love them. And some very intelligently crafted, artistic and moving pieces of music have also had the good fortune of being adored by the masses.

I mean, I certainly don't think there's anything "wrong" with "You Make Loving Fun" or "Little Lies," or other massively popular songs like that.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that Fleetwood Mac has been monstrously successful, but I don't see that as a fault of theirs or their music. And, yeah, Stevie's had the more popular solo career, but to write off that music as simply appealing to the lowest common dominator (if that is what you were doing -- and you've made similar comments about her solo career in the past, so I don't think I'm necessarily jumping to conclusions here as to how you feel about her success), is to implicate Christine as well.
Especially when you consider she's had such a large number of hit singles. So let's not do that double-standard thing here.

Some popular artists stand apart from the crowd... the ones who are enduring, and who reach "icon" and "legend" status. They're popular, but their ability to reach mass audiences goes way beyond any appeals to the lowest common denominator. They have talent AND that... je ne sais quoi... and that's why they endure.

[Vianna]

Chris is classy. I love her, always have.

[chiliD]

The masses that made all of those Christine songs Top 40 hits?

Don't see ya complaining about that popularity. :laugh:

Ahh..yeah...but, how many of those "masses" KNOW those were Christine songs and was Christine singing?? I'll wager my great-great-grandkid's inheritance that they "assume" it is Stevie...that when they HEAR the songs, they get a mental picture of Stevie singing them, not Christine.

[GateandGarden]

Well, Brian, Lard knows I love her. Sorry, I meant loathe her. I DON'T loathe her, only her army... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:That reminds me of one of the magnets on my fridge. It says "I've got nothing against God--it's his fan club I can't stand." :laugh::laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I'm very much like you... most of what I like isn't popular or is only marginally popular. And, of course, there are the artists I adore who were once popular, but would now be considered "has-beens."

I just listen to what turns me on, and I ignore whether or not anyone else likes it. (Well, ok, I will admit that I take pride in Fleetwood Mac/Stevie/Christine/Lindsey having a hit album or song... because, to me, it feels like the hometeam won the World Series.)

Well, I don't necessarily agree with that. Some songs are hugely successful because they're just so damned incredible, it's hard to not love them. And some very intelligently crafted, artistic and moving pieces of music have also had the good fortune of being adored by the masses.

I mean, I certainly don't think there's anything "wrong" with "You Make Loving Fun" or "Little Lies," or other massively popular songs like that.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that Fleetwood Mac has been monstrously successful, but I don't see that as a fault of theirs or their music. And, yeah, Stevie's had the more popular solo career, but to write off that music as simply appealing to the lowest common dominator (if that is what you were doing -- and you've made similar comments about her solo career in the past, so I don't think I'm necessarily jumping to conclusions here as to how you feel about her success), is to implicate Christine as well.
Especially when you consider she's had such a large number of hit singles. So let's not do that double-standard thing here.

Some popular artists stand apart from the crowd... the ones who are enduring, and who reach "icon" and "legend" status. They're popular, but their ability to reach mass audiences goes way beyond any appeals to the lowest common denominator. They have talent AND that... je ne sais quoi... and that's why they endure.This. Post. Rocks.

[GateandGarden]

...But I don't know about Christine. It seems like people think they have her figured out, but I wonder sometimes. She's so private. She purposefully put herself in the background. She didn't want fame, as we've said many times. To me, this implies that there's a whole lot more to her than any of us will ever know. I tend to be attracted to personalities like hers because I think, Won't it be great if I'm the one person who really gets to know her? People who are like puzzles are thrilling to know, IMO. Maybe there are all kinds of private aspects of her life that are more bizarre than we think, and they would be fascinating, but the point is that we're not supposed to know because she never really wanted us to, right? She didn't want to be "the star" of the band. Am I making sense? I've been thinking about this for awhile but have never voiced it on this board. (Or any board).Sorry to quote myself in a lame attempt for attention, but I was hoping someone would address this and offer opinions and such.

[cliffdweller]

I fell in love with Christine last summer when I got all into her Mirage songs, particularly "Only Over You," which no one but me likes.

I like it too!! :wavey:

I love her Mirage songs, however, Tusk has my favorite Christine material. Brown Eyes, Think About Me, Honey Hi...LOVE THESE SONGS. I never understood why everyone on the Tusk survivor thread back in the day hated Honey Hi---what's wrong with this song?!?!?! I think it's understated brilliance. And those harmonies!?!? ~swoon~ love 'em.

How about we change the subject of this thread to "the brilliance of Christine McVie and why it's not hard to understand a professor's crush on her?" :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I like it too!! :wavey:

I love her Mirage songs, however, Tusk has my favorite Christine material. Brown Eyes, Think About Me, Honey Hi...LOVE THESE SONGS. I never understood why everyone on the Tusk survivor thread back in the day hated Honey Hi---what's wrong with this song?!?!?! I think it's understated brilliance. And those harmonies!?!? ~swoon~ love 'em.

How about we change the subject of this thread to "the brilliance of Christine McVie and why it's not hard to understand a professor's crush on her?" :laugh:Glad someone else likes "Only Over You"! :)

I never got into "Honey Hi," though. :sorry: I've tried many times but it just doesn't work out. :shrug: I adore her other Tusk songs, though. "Brown Eyes" and "Never Forget" are my faves. "Never Forget" never gets enough love, IMO.

[GypsySorcerer]

I like it too!! :wavey:

I love her Mirage songs, however, Tusk has my favorite Christine material. Brown Eyes, Think About Me, Honey Hi...LOVE THESE SONGS. I never understood why everyone on the Tusk survivor thread back in the day hated Honey Hi---what's wrong with this song?!?!?! I think it's understated brilliance. And those harmonies!?!? ~swoon~ love 'em.

How about we change the subject of this thread to "the brilliance of Christine McVie and why it's not hard to understand a professor's crush on her?" :laugh:

I love "Honey Hi." :nod:

[cliffdweller]

"Never Forget" never gets enough love, IMO.

It's a great album closer, and on such a hopeful note too. I think I'm going to listen to some Christine tomorrow before I take my final exam for my master's degree. Just sit back and soak in Christine's positive, hopeful vibes. Then, I'll walk in there and get my head handed to me. LOL!

[cliffdweller]

I love "Honey Hi." :nod:

Finally!! Some mad props for this one, even if it is about Dennis Wilson! :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

It's a great album closer, and on such a hopeful note too. I think I'm going to listen to some Christine tomorrow before I take my final exam for my master's degree. Just sit back and soak in Christine's positive, hopeful vibes. Then, I'll walk in there and get my head handed to me. LOL!She'll put you in a good mood! :thumbsup: Best of luck to you! (I'm sure there will be no handing over of heads). :)

[cliffdweller]

She'll put you in a good mood! :thumbsup: Best of luck to you! (I'm sure there will be no handing over of heads). :)

I hope not!

And thanks for the luck! I'm gonna need it.

[GypsySorcerer]

Sorry to quote myself in a lame attempt for attention, but I was hoping someone would address this and offer opinions and such.

I don't think great showmanship is in Christine's personality. She's just not as comfortable as being on stage as Stevie or Lindsey. So while she may not have wanted to be the "star," I think she was jealous of Stevie's popularity and all the attention she got. (Note: that's not a Christine bash. It's perfectly understandable.)

But anyway, if Stevie and Christine were able to coexist peacefully and even beyond that, become good friends, that speaks volumes about their character. I actually kind of think the arguing about them is disrespectful to them. Women are portrayed often enough in society as catty bitches who can't get along. Sorry, didn't mean to go off subject........ :)

[cliffdweller]

GateandGarden, I was just wondering...you said a few posts back that you have a thing for stethoscopes. What's the deal-io with that!?!? :laugh: Why steths and why name them? This is in no way a dig, I'm just curious. Sorry this is off topic everyone else!

[GateandGarden]

I don't think great showmanship is in Christine's personality. She's just not as comfortable as being on stage as Stevie or Lindsey. So while she may not have wanted to be the "star," I think she was jealous of Stevie's popularity and all the attention she got. (Note: that's not a Christine bash. It's perfectly understandable.)

But anyway, if Stevie and Christine were able to coexist peacefully and even beyond that, become good friends, that speaks volumes about their character. I actually kind of think the arguing about them is disrespectful to them. Women are portrayed often enough in society as catty bitches who can't get along. Sorry, didn't mean to go off subject........ :)I always assumed she wasn't jealous because I figured she was comfortable in her position, but I know that sometimes even when you're generally comfortable, it still annoys you when someone else gets more attention. :(

I'm really glad that they were friends. I would hate it if they hadn't gotten along. I think the competition and comparisons and such are just bad for women. I think if it was a Peter/Jeremy or Peter/Lindsey or whatever thing, it probably wouldn't bother me as much. It's just that it takes so little to break a woman's spirit because our society sucks. It seems to me that women are always plagued with some kinds of insecurities, and I hate it when people perpetuate it by comparing them to each other. I'm just really sensitive to that. And I think it applies when we're talking about anything from physical attractiveness to musical talents and everything in between. And I know this is going too far, but it's in my head, so God knows I'm going to say it on this board! I know it's nearly impossible to avoid, but I just think that when someone says they prefer Christine's looks, it makes people who look more like Stevie feel insecure, and vice versa. But I guess I'm to blame as well because I've said many, many times that I prefer curvy, voluptuous women and not the really skinny type, and that's not nice to say when there are skinny women who are going to read it. But I think people like me are so rare. So many people, I think, would prefer a skinny lady if they were being completely honest, and that's depressing. Okay, now I'm just rambling.

So, what about the other things I said in my last post? About there being more to Christine than any of us will ever know because she doesn't intend for us to know because that's part of how she is? (I'm kind of kidding in that I'm not telling you you must address it. I just had to bring it up again because I'm surprised that no one else ever addressed it).

[GateandGarden]

GateandGarden, I was just wondering...you said a few posts back that you have a thing for stethoscopes. What's the deal-io with that!?!? :laugh: Why steths and why name them? This is in no way a dig, I'm just curious. Sorry this is off topic everyone else!Ooooooooooh, thanks for asking! I did this big long explanation thingy in some thread in the Chit-Chat forum but it's so lost now! I have no idea where it is.

So here's a shorter version. When I was a little kid, about four or five, I had one of those Fisher-Price doctor's kits and I was obsessed with the stethoscope in it. I was constantly listening to my heart and was fascinated by its sounds...so soothing and comforting. As soon as I got out into the world and started going to school, I just wanted to listen to other people's hearts. It's quite an obsession. It's how I choose to celebrate life itself. I love to hear people's hearts and try to memorize them in an effort to keep those people with me always. I wanted to be a cardiologist for awhile, but I realized that not only do I suck at math and science, I have a sort of romantic (romantic like Hawthorne, Wordsworth, Melville, etc., not candy and flowers) fascination with the heart that I can't allow to be tainted by some of the realities. Also, I can't deal with the idea of listening to random people's hearts all day because that would take something away from it for me. It's really only something I do with people I know. It's not so meaningful to me if it's an every day, commonplace thing.

Okay, I feel myself beginning to ramble. My life revolves around the music of the heart, okay? :laugh: (Sorry, I just get so annoyed with myself when I say I'm going to tell someone the "short version" and that turns out to be so untrue!) :laugh: I own a Yahoo group dedicated to listening to hearts called perfect_iambic_rhythm (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perfect_iambic_rhythm). It's doesn't get a lot of action but it's there. :laugh:

Oh yeah, and call me Hillary. Although I just realized that I don't know what else to call you besides cliffdweller.

EDIT: Had to change the link 'cause it was wrong.

[macfan 57]

How about we change the subject of this thread to "the brilliance of Christine McVie and why it's not hard to understand a professor's crush on her?" :laugh:

Now there's a great idea! :D This is the Christine McVie forum, afterall. :)

[macfan 57]

But I don't know about Christine. It seems like people think they have her figured out, but I wonder sometimes. She's so private. She purposefully put herself in the background. She didn't want fame, as we've said many times. To me, this implies that there's a whole lot more to her than any of us will ever know. I tend to be attracted to personalities like hers because I think, Won't it be great if I'm the one person who really gets to know her? People who are like puzzles are thrilling to know, IMO. Maybe there are all kinds of private aspects of her life that are more bizarre than we think, and they would be fascinating, but the point is that we're not supposed to know because she never really wanted us to, right? She didn't want to be "the star" of the band. Am I making sense? I've been thinking about this for awhile but have never voiced it on this board.[/COLOR]

I'll tackle this. :) I've always thought of Christine as pretty much what you see is what you get. Everybody who knows her usually describes her as warm, down to earth & unpretentious. So I assume that's the way she really is. I'd be shocked if there is anything bizarre in her private life, although she has described her Dennis Wilson years as the most bizarre period of her life. I think of her as just a normal person. She is very private & in alot of ways I'm glad that she is that way. There are some things I'd rather not know.

[ThePenguin]

So, what about the other things I said in my last post? About there being more to Christine than any of us will ever know because she doesn't intend for us to know because that's part of how she is? (I'm kind of kidding in that I'm not telling you you must address it. I just had to bring it up again because I'm surprised that no one else ever addressed it).[/COLOR]

Maybe she'll write a tell-all book someday.

*lis falls over dead*

oh dear god that would truly be the end of me. :D She did sort of consider it on that recent VH1 thing, but I think she was just saying it to please the pushy host.

If she wrote a book I wouldn't want to know her deepest darkest secrets.... I'd just love to hear how she felt about things, different periods in her life and decisions she made. what was going on in that head of hers ?? questions questions.

-Lis

[cliffdweller]

[COLOR=Navy]Also, I can't deal with the idea of listening to random people's hearts all day

Whew! For a minute there I thought you were just going up to people on the street! LOL! I was obsessed with those doctor's kits too, although I never played doctor, you know, in the Biblical sense? :laugh:

Nice to meet you Hillary! You can call me Tracye, btw.

:wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

Ahh..yeah...but, how many of those "masses" KNOW those were Christine songs and was Christine singing?? I'll wager my great-great-grandkid's inheritance that they "assume" it is Stevie...that when they HEAR the songs, they get a mental picture of Stevie singing them, not Christine.


Actually when Mirage came out the word "Christine McVie" was becoming a household name. I remember hearing here is Christy McVie and Fleetwood Mac on MTV. Mainly because she was the beautiful blonde on the "Hold Me" Video. They said her name so much on MTV that people were calling her Christy. Chris was quite popular in the 80's. So much so that "Got a Hold On Me" was played every 10 min on the radio from Classic Rock to AC. She did get a lot of exposure as the lead in her videos.

[macfan 57]

Maybe she'll write a tell-all book someday.

*lis falls over dead*

oh dear god that would truly be the end of me. :D She did sort of consider it on that recent VH1 thing, but I think she was just saying it to please the pushy host.

If she wrote a book I wouldn't want to know her deepest darkest secrets.... I'd just love to hear how she felt about things, different periods in her life and decisions she made. what was going on in that head of hers ?? questions questions.

-Lis

I'm hoping she didn't say that just to please the host. :) That would be the ultimate for me, reading an entire book written by Christine McVie. :D However, if she were to write a book, she'd have to tell at least a few of her secrets & that might lead to the end of a few friendships. Remember Mick's book? But, I'll still hope for that book anyway.

[cliffdweller]

If she wrote a book I wouldn't want to know her deepest darkest secrets.... I'd just love to hear how she felt about things, different periods in her life and decisions she made. what was going on in that head of hers ?? questions questions.

-Lis

Me too Lis. I love to hear Christine talk, {I like the way you talk--Slingblade :laugh:} I think she's very eloquent and linear in her speech---she doesn't "fragmentize" and free associate. Not that there's anything wrong with "chunks" of speech to describe things that are difficult to put into words...we all do it. It's just that she seems to really put thought into what she's going to say and always sounds like she's imparting some great bit of wisdom or something. It's hard to describe!

[ThePenguin]

I'm hoping she didn't say that just to please the host. :) That would be the ultimate for me, reading an entire book written by Christine McVie. :D However, if she were to write a book, she'd have to tell at least a few of her secrets & that might lead to the end of a few friendships. Remember Mick's book? But, I'll still hope for that book anyway.

I think maybe Chris could write a book with enough tact that she wouldn't end any friendships...? :) She seems the type who'd keep any real 'dirt' to herself and just share the safer stuff. Which is fine with me!

But then I guess you never know what might upset someone...Mick obviously thought the stuff in his book was all oK.. but some of it sure did hurt LB and SN..and even though he had only glowing things to say about Chris, he gave John a few digs as well. But really it all happened so long ago....I hope folks could accept that it was a crazy time, and all of us make mistakes, and not get all peeved about it...but that's easy for me to say, no one's writing sh*t about me LOL. :D

-Lis

[macfan 57]

I think maybe Chris could write a book with enough tact that she wouldn't end any friendships...? :) She seems the type who'd keep any real 'dirt' to herself and just share the safer stuff. Which is fine with me!
-Lis

I agree, but you know those book publishers. They want the dirt. I'd be happy with anything she'd want to write, even if it were only the safe stuff. :)

[GateandGarden]

Whew! For a minute there I thought you were just going up to people on the street! LOL! I was obsessed with those doctor's kits too, although I never played doctor, you know, in the Biblical sense? :laugh:

Nice to meet you Hillary! You can call me Tracye, btw.

:wavey:Hey Tracye! Nice to meet you! :wavey:

[SteveMacD]

So while she may not have wanted to be the "star," I think she was jealous of Stevie's popularity and all the attention she got.
I've never read anything from either to suggest that at all. If you can, look at the Don Kirchner show from 1974. Bob Welch sang four songs, while Chris sang only one. So, I think she would probably have been more happy that the spotlight would have been off of her.

Christine's main concern was the money. After nearly losing everything in 1974, I think she was just happy to be in a hugely popular band. And Stevie's popularity ensured that the money would keep coming in. It secured her financial future. I think they all had their place: Mick was the leader, John was the anchor, Lindsey was the guru, Christine was the hitmaker, and Stevie was the star. It was a combination that seemed to work for them.

[GateandGarden]

I've never read anything from either to suggest that at all. If you can, look at the Don Kirchner show from 1974. Bob Welch sang four songs, while Chris sang only one. So, I think she would probably have been more happy that the spotlight would have been off of her. Would you say that Christine typically spent less time in the spotlight than her other vocalists/instrumentalist/writer bandmates throughout the pre-BN era?

[ThePenguin]

Would you say that Christine typically spent less time in the spotlight than her other vocalists/instrumentalist/writer bandmates throughout the pre-BN era?

In the shows w/ Bob Welch, she's practically invisible. I think she was happy to let him 'take the stage'.

-Lis

[GateandGarden]

In the shows w/ Bob Welch, she's practically invisible. I think she was happy to let him 'take the stage'.

-LisThis is interesting. I guess I never realized that Bob was that interested in being a "frontman." I've kind of been assuming all this time that neither one of them had that kind of personality. Or maybe Bob doesn't have it as much as, say, Stevie, but he had it more so than Chris did/does.

[jbrownsjr]

I've never read anything from either to suggest that at all. If you can, look at the Don Kirchner show from 1974. Bob Welch sang four songs, while Chris sang only one. So, I think she would probably have been more happy that the spotlight would have been off of her.

Christine's main concern was the money. After nearly losing everything in 1974, I think she was just happy to be in a hugely popular band. And Stevie's popularity ensured that the money would keep coming in. It secured her financial future. I think they all had their place: Mick was the leader, John was the anchor, Lindsey was the guru, Christine was the hitmaker, and Stevie was the star. It was a combination that seemed to work for them.

I really agree with this, good points.

[chiliD]

I've never read anything from either to suggest that at all. If you can, look at the Don Kirchner show from 1974. Bob Welch sang four songs, while Chris sang only one. So, I think she would probably have been more happy that the spotlight would have been off of her.

But, that's only what got aired. It was about a 2/3-1/3 split in the entire set. Bob sang his tunes & the Peter Green tunes, Christine sang hers. The full concert set for '74 was pretty much a combo of the Sausalito & Hempstead bootlegs PLUS "Station Man", "Jewel Eyed Judy", "Bad Loser", "Jumping At Shadows" (Chris on vocals), "Morning Rain" & "Night Watch" (which was Mick's solo vehicle ala "World Turning" later on)...with some other variations from night to night (i.e., "I Loved Another Woman", "Coming Home", "Show Me A Smile", "Revelation", "Miles Away")...remember, THAT incarnation didn't stick to a set playlist every night. ;)

[SteveMacD]

But, that's only what got aired. It was about a 2/3-1/3 split in the entire set.
True. Still, it wasn't exactly 50-50, and the stuff Bob was singing was more apt to go into extended jams where he would do his Sly Stone-esq thing.

[jbrownsjr]

But, that's only what got aired. It was about a 2/3-1/3 split in the entire set. Bob sang his tunes & the Peter Green tunes, Christine sang hers. The full concert set for '74 was pretty much a combo of the Sausalito & Hempstead bootlegs PLUS "Station Man", "Jewel Eyed Judy", "Bad Loser", "Jumping At Shadows" (Chris on vocals), "Morning Rain" & "Night Watch" (which was Mick's solo vehicle ala "World Turning" later on)...with some other variations from night to night (i.e., "I Loved Another Woman", "Coming Home", "Show Me A Smile", "Revelation", "Miles Away")...remember, THAT incarnation didn't stick to a set playlist every night. ;)


oh yeah well ....... speechless! :lol:

[SteveMacD]

This is interesting. I guess I never realized that Bob was that interested in being a "frontman." I've kind of been assuming all this time that neither one of them had that kind of personality. Or maybe Bob doesn't have it as much as, say, Stevie, but he had it more so than Chris did/does.
Bob was a chatterbox. He did a lot of things to get the audience into the show (i.e. "clap your hands" or "everybody sing 'shake your moneymaker'"). He'd also spend some time explaining his songs. Mick said in his book that Bob is pretty high-strung, and I can honestly see where Mick was coming from. Part of the reason why Bob quit the band is because they really kept him from going completely hog wild. From what I saw on the "Live From The Roxy" video, his schtick appeared to get on Christine's nerves.

[GateandGarden]

Bob was a chatterbox. He did a lot of things to get the audience into the show (i.e. "clap your hands" or "everybody sing 'shake your moneymaker'"). He'd also spend some time explaining his songs. Mick said in his book that Bob is pretty high-strung, and I can honestly see where Mick was coming from. Part of the reason why Bob quit the band is because they really kept him from going completely hog wild. From what I saw on the "Live From The Roxy" video, his schtick appeared to get on Christine's nerves.I probably know the answer, but was this "Live from the Roxy" video officially released and could I buy it somewhere?

[macfan 57]

I probably know the answer, but was this "Live from the Roxy" video officially released and could I buy it somewhere?

The video version of the Live From The Roxy show has only been officially released on laser disc. You can get a VHS bootleg version from various traders. I have that & would definitely recommend it. The CD version of the show was officially released on CD last year. I got my copy from Amazon U.K. I would also recommend that. :)

[macfan 57]

Would you say that Christine typically spent less time in the spotlight than her other vocalists/instrumentalist/writer bandmates throughout the pre-BN era?

Chris was the same way when she was in Chicken Shack. Stan Webb did most of the vocals. She has said she was happy about this since everybody focused on Stan, then she could relax. She just never wanted to be out front, whether it was Chicken Shack, Bob Welch era Fleetwood Mac or Rumours era Fleetwood Mac. By the way, she did sort of front the band in 1975, right after Stevie & Lindsey joined. Just watch that 1975 Largo video.

[macfan 57]

But, that's only what got aired. It was about a 2/3-1/3 split in the entire set. Bob sang his tunes & the Peter Green tunes, Christine sang hers. The full concert set for '74 was pretty much a combo of the Sausalito & Hempstead bootlegs PLUS "Station Man", "Jewel Eyed Judy", "Bad Loser", "Jumping At Shadows" (Chris on vocals), "Morning Rain" & "Night Watch" (which was Mick's solo vehicle ala "World Turning" later on)...with some other variations from night to night (i.e., "I Loved Another Woman", "Coming Home", "Show Me A Smile", "Revelation", "Miles Away")...remember, THAT incarnation didn't stick to a set playlist every night. ;)

I wish they'd aired the whole show. What a set list! :cool:

[GateandGarden]

The video version of the Live From The Roxy show has only been officially released on laser disc. You can get a VHS bootleg version from various traders. I have that & would definitely recommend it. The CD version of the show was officially released on CD last year. I got my copy from Amazon U.K. I would also recommend that. :)Cool. Thanks! :)

[chiliD]

By the way, she did sort of front the band in 1975, right after Stevie & Lindsey joined. Just watch that 1975 Largo video.

Ya know, even John used to talk quite a bit between songs in 1975-77...they used to have a mic set up for him...basically it was the one that Christine would use for "World Turning" when she'd come out from behind the keyboards, but John would use it quite a bit during those years.

Also, if you listen to the boots from way back in 1971/72, Christine does most of the between song patter then, as well. Danny doesn't really say a word between songs, Bob Welch shows only a tiny bit of the signs of his "out frontness" which really came to the fore in '74 (you gotta read that last line out loud for effect :D )...so it mainly was left to Christine.

[Johnny Stew]

Ahh..yeah...but, how many of those "masses" KNOW those were Christine songs and was Christine singing?? I'll wager my great-great-grandkid's inheritance that they "assume" it is Stevie...that when they HEAR the songs, they get a mental picture of Stevie singing them, not Christine.You really think so? I've always thought that, even though Stevie had more overall visibility, the general public still knew which songs Stevie did and which Christine did.

Although, unfortunately, I have heard a few DJs over the years say, "that was Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac," when they just finished playing a song like "Little Lies," but I don't think people typically confused the two ladies, even in their mind's eye.

[Johnny Stew]

Glad someone else likes "Only Over You"! :)Another "Only Over You" lover here. :wavey:
I love "Wish You Were Here," too, and am always surprised when people diss either of those two songs.

Truly, the only Christine song that I'm not wild about, is "One More Night." Outside of that one lame tune (IMO), she really can't do any wrong in my eyes. Even songs that I didn't love when I first became an FM fan, have become favorites. (Quick confession here: when I first became a fan, outside of Christine's familiar radio hits, I tended to view her songs as the speed-bumps between Lindsey's and Stevie's material... which is what I was the bigger fan of... but over the years, my appreciation of Christine and all of her songs has grown by leaps and bounds. :nod: )

[GateandGarden]

Another "Only Over You" lover here. :wavey:
I love "Wish You Were Here," too, and am always surprised when people diss either of those two songs.Yay! I love both of those! :nod:

[Sugar]

Another "Only Over You" lover here. :wavey:
I love "Wish You Were Here," too, and am always surprised when people diss either of those two songs.


Ditto. AND I like both Honey Hi and *gasp* Sugar Daddy! So there!

[CFR]

I've had a crush on Christine for what....30 years or so now. How can one NOT? She's stunning and beautiful and gorgeous and talented and classy and elegant and...and...well, you get the point. ;)

[SteveMacD]

The video version of the Live From The Roxy show has only been officially released on laser disc.
This may really boarder on minutia, but technically, it was RCA SelectaVision CED (Capacitance Electronic Disc) Video Disc. It's not really a laser disc. It was a consumer video format on grooved vinyl discs that was marketed by RCA in the 1980's. They had the same resolution as a typical VHS tape.

I found this out the hard way about six weeks ago when I bought one after I found "Live At The Roxy" the "Tusk" documentary, the "Mirage" video, and the Beatles' "Let It Be." (Guess which disc was the most exensive!) It's interesting, but the discs or players have a nasty habbit of skipping. The picture quality isn't great, either.

But, at least I finally got to see "Roxy." It was okay. I was a bit bummed that there wasn't at least ONE song with the "Mystery" band in full, or ONE song that just featured the six who were actually in Fleetwood Mac at some point. Oh well. It's still interesting for any Mac fan. The video makes me wish Fleetwood Mac would have kept playing old Christine songs (esp. "Remember Me"). I will say that the member of the "Rumours" band who looked the best was, and I'm as surprised by this as anyone, Mick Fleetwood :eek:

[Johnny Stew]

Ditto. AND I like both Honey Hi and *gasp* Sugar Daddy! So there!"Honey Hi" is simply awesome, and "Sugar Daddy" is so infectious and fun. Love 'em!

[strandinthewind]

"Honey Hi" is simply awesome, and "Sugar Daddy" is so infectious and fun. Love 'em!

Amen Brother Stew!!!! :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[ontheEdgeof17]

"Honey Hi" is simply awesome, and "Sugar Daddy" is so infectious and fun. Love 'em!


Sugar Daddy is my favorite White Album track.

Her 'daddy' songs are in my top 5....which is...


Oh Daddy
YMLF
Sugar Daddy
Everywhere (Dance)
Why

[macfan 57]

But, at least I finally got to see "Roxy." It was okay. I was a bit bummed that there wasn't at least ONE song with the "Mystery" band in full, or ONE song that just featured the six who were actually in Fleetwood Mac at some point. Oh well. It's still interesting for any Mac fan. The video makes me wish Fleetwood Mac would have kept playing old Christine songs (esp. "Remember Me").

But, the Mystery To Me line-up does do one song in full, "Remember Me". :) Mick, John, Chris, Bob Welch AND Bob Weston all play on that song, granted there are other musicians playing as well. Bob Welch never introduced Bob Weston, but you can see him playing guitar on stage.

The highlight of the Roxy concert for me is "Sentimental Lady", "Hypnotized" & of course, "Remember Me". I wish they had done more of those songs from that era in the set.

[SteveMacD]

But, the Mystery To Me line-up does do one song in full, "Remember Me". :) Mick, John, Chris, Bob Welch AND Bob Weston all play on that song, granted there are other musicians playing as well. Bob Welch never introduced Bob Weston, but you can see him playing guitar on stage.
Mick and John are not on "Remember Me," just Christine and the Bobs. Heck, Alvin leads the song off with the rather silly "One, two, you know what to do." The "Heroes" band does "Hypnotized," but that's the only song that features John. :nod:

[macfan 57]

Mick and John are not on "Remember Me," just Christine and the Bobs. Heck, Alvin leads the song off with the rather silly "One, two, you know what to do." The "Heroes" band does "Hypnotized," but that's the only song that features John. :nod:

Hmm...I'm going to have to check my video again. I thought Mick & John played on "Remember Me". I also thought John played on "Sentimental Lady".

Yeah, now I remember that silly "one, two and you know what to do". Chris also says "I hope this goes OK", almost like they may had problems with the song during rehearsals. It sounded great to me!