Multiple Mac shows - why?

[Jyqm]

Feels like I haven't posted anything here in quite a while...

Anyway, I know a lot of folks here went to quite a number of shows on the Say You Will tour, and Mick's apparent mention of a possible 2006 tour already has a coupe of people speculating about how many shows they'll hit up next time. But I must admit, I don't really understand the appeal. Even putting aside the issue of having enough disposable income for going to multiple shows, what is it that makes you want to attend multiple Mac shows?

I ask not because I think a Fleetwood Mac concert isn't a great show - it is. But on any given tour, it's more or less exactly the same show every time. Doesn't that get boring? I think if I went to two identical shows within such a short span of time, it'd lose quite a bit of the magic.

I did have a ticket to what would have been the Chicago-area show on the second leg of the SYW tour, which I bought because I was excited to hear five different songs. Once "Destiny Rules" and DYLMDA were dropped, though, I was kind of annoyed, and I have to say I wasn't too disappointed when the show ended up being cancelled.

The only artists I've ever seen multiple times on the same tour are Springsteen, Dylan and Elvis Costello, but those are all guys who are notorious for really mixing things up from show to show. (Dylan, for one, just did a five-night stand in Chicago, playing fourteen-song sets, and managed to perform over 60 unique songs.) I can always get excited for one of their shows, because I know I'm going to hear something new, or somethign I didn't expect, or least something different from the night before.

So, for the folks who go to multiple Mac shows, what's the appeal? What keeps you coming back?

[Regina]

I was thinking about this last night.

I went to a concert last night, which I enjoyed tremendously--but I wouldn't go again on this tour. The same holds true for a concert I went to two months ago. Had a good time, thanks. See you next time around. Maybe.

With FM--I went to 10 SYW shows (which isn't even all that many according to the bylaws of the FM mania handbook :) A couple of them were either the next night or with a night in-between.

I ADORE Fleetwood Mac. Not just like. Not just love. ADORE. As people, as musicians and as performers. And, even though the setlist doesn't change very much--each night is different to me. I think they are just that expressive. You know when one of them is a little tired, a little pissy, or feeling completely "on." It's written all over them and I love witnessing as much as I feel I can financially afford. And when they are all "on," it's a sight to behold.

But I don't necessarily think that it's something that can be explained by anyone. I think you can only "get it" when you experience it with a singer or a band or someone you do want to see multiple times yourself. It's just some odd cosmic connection or something;-)

[wondergirl9847]

Lindsey Buckingham. At least, for me. If Lindsey weren't with them, I would have seen maybe a Dallas show, if that. The fact that I had great tickets to 99% of the shows I went to helped for sure. LOL I'm not alone in saying if Lindsey weren't the guitarist, I wouldn't be into FM that much. I love Miss Stevie, but am not a Chiffonhead. ;) I think that a lot of people went to multiple shows for not FM collectively, but Stevie or Lindsey. If Danny Kirwan had re-joined the band, I would most DEF have gone to see them 8 or more times like I did, but he's probably the only person besides Lindsey.

Yes, the shows were pretty much the same, setlist wise, and even their antics, but I don't give two craps about so-called love affairs and that crap, I go to hear the songs I love. It's very frustrating they didn't do some very rare stuff, but I think that's expected with FM. There was always a (slim LOL) chance they would add a song or do something different. :shocked:

Also, it's the threat that they are getting on in age and you may not get another chance, so see them as much as you can. :(

It's Mr. Buckingham that caused my insanity, your honor. :]

Perhaps Pattie (our resident super multiple FM concert attender) should answer this one. :laugh:

[dissention]

I don't see how anyone could go to more than one or two Mac shows, I'd be bored out of my mind. Stagnant setlists, canned speeches, rehearsed movements, etc. Great band, but not great enough for me to spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds to see the same show over and over. :laugh: I like to go to multiple concerts of artists and bands that change things around on a constant basis.

[StevieNicksEO17]

I did have a ticket to what would have been the Chicago-area show on the second leg of the SYW tour, which I bought because I was excited to hear five different songs. Once "Destiny Rules" and DYLMDA were dropped, though, I was kind of annoyed, and I have to say I wasn't too disappointed when the show ended up being cancelled.

That still makes me mad that they cancelled that show. I had third row tickets :mad:

[SteveMacD]

In general, I tend to agree with you on this one, Jyqm. However, I have to say that I went to three shows, and saw three different sets. I went to the first show of the tour, a show in August, 2003 (which was the typical SYW set), and the last night of the tour. Truth be told, I would go to see them whenever they would be within a reasonable drive. I mean, it's not like Fleetwood Mac comes to town all that often, and I'd rather see them too much than not enough. I think that just being in the presence of my favorite band is reason enough, really.

I DID go to Detroit to see the last gig, but Windsor is like my second home, so it was no big deal. Also, I have family in the Detroit area, so I got to see them and was able to take care of some family business while I was there. Still, I probably wouldn't go to say Camden to go see Fleetwood Mac.

[wondergirl9847]

I'd also like to add that I've never loved an artist like I do Lindsey. He's inspired me and his music has helped me through a seriously tough time in my life. I've been obsessed with bands/groups/singers/actors before (LOL), but this obsession will stick with me for life. :)

[WelshWitchPMD]

I was thinking about this last night.

I went to a concert last night, which I enjoyed tremendously--but I wouldn't go again on this tour. The same holds true for a concert I went to two months ago. Had a good time, thanks. See you next time around. Maybe.

With FM--I went to 10 SYW shows (which isn't even all that many according to the bylaws of the FM mania handbook :) A couple of them were either the next night or with a night in-between.

I ADORE Fleetwood Mac. Not just like. Not just love. ADORE. As people, as musicians and as performers. And, even though the setlist doesn't change very much--each night is different to me. I think they are just that expressive. You know when one of them is a little tired, a little pissy, or feeling completely "on." It's written all over them and I love witnessing as much as I feel I can financially afford. And when they are all "on," it's a sight to behold.

But I don't necessarily think that it's something that can be explained by anyone. I think you can only "get it" when you experience it with a singer or a band or someone you do want to see multiple times yourself. It's just some odd cosmic connection or something;-)

I have to say that I agree with your post 100%. I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel a spiritual connection to them that don't with any other artist.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Perhaps Pattie (our resident super multiple FM concert attender) should answer this one. :laugh:
:lol: See my post above.

[amber]

I ask not because I think a Fleetwood Mac concert isn't a great show - it is. But on any given tour, it's more or less exactly the same show every time. Doesn't that get boring? I think if I went to two identical shows within such a short span of time, it'd lose quite a bit of the magic.

Well, firstly, I've been listening to the same songs by them for 10 years, over and over, so there is one piece of evidence that they are not boring to me. I only got to go to two shows, but I would have gone to many more had I been able to afford it. I don't think it does lose magic, for me. Maybe after 10-20. Maybe. And in fact, after my shows, I was very depressed. I just wanted to watch Mac all the time, wanted it to go on forever. Perhaps I'm somewhat of an anomoly, but that's how I felt. And still feel. Only if I'm in the first few rows, though!!! :laugh:

[catinthedark]

I have to say that I agree with your post 100%. I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel a spiritual connection to them that don't with any other artist.

Yup - Regina pretty much said it exactly as I would have, too. Fleetwood Mac is my band, and Stevie sings to me like no one else. I love her words, I love her passion. And every night is different to me - depending on where I'm sitting (or standing). I tend to watch Stevie the closest - I love to see every different nuance from show to show. I love standing up against the stage at Stevie's feet, thinking, "I am mere inches from Stevie Nicks." I love singing along with her. I love when she catches me singing along with her. I love the feeling of being there, hearing my favourite songs, among other people who love them the way I do. The reason I go to as many shows as possible is because I feel like they aren't going to tour forever... and I have to see them and hear them and experience them as much as possible while they are here. Sure, there are moments I don't care for (Mick's bored as ass drum solo), and I wish they'd shake up the speeches, but I'm not about to complain. Beyond that, I can't explain it. Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks just hold a different place in my heart than any other band or singer I've ever loved. They're on a different level. And they are the only artists I travel to see.

[Serrart]

Feels like I haven't posted anything here in quite a while...

Anyway, I know a lot of folks here went to quite a number of shows on the Say You Will tour, and Mick's apparent mention of a possible 2006 tour already has a coupe of people speculating about how many shows they'll hit up next time. But I must admit, I don't really understand the appeal. Even putting aside the issue of having enough disposable income for going to multiple shows, what is it that makes you want to attend multiple Mac shows?

I ask not because I think a Fleetwood Mac concert isn't a great show - it is. But on any given tour, it's more or less exactly the same show every time. Doesn't that get boring? I think if I went to two identical shows within such a short span of time, it'd lose quite a bit of the magic.

I did have a ticket to what would have been the Chicago-area show on the second leg of the SYW tour, which I bought because I was excited to hear five different songs. Once "Destiny Rules" and DYLMDA were dropped, though, I was kind of annoyed, and I have to say I wasn't too disappointed when the show ended up being cancelled.

The only artists I've ever seen multiple times on the same tour are Springsteen, Dylan and Elvis Costello, but those are all guys who are notorious for really mixing things up from show to show. (Dylan, for one, just did a five-night stand in Chicago, playing fourteen-song sets, and managed to perform over 60 unique songs.) I can always get excited for one of their shows, because I know I'm going to hear something new, or somethign I didn't expect, or least something different from the night before.

So, for the folks who go to multiple Mac shows, what's the appeal? What keeps you coming back?

Unfortunately I haven't seen FM in concert yet :distress: , but I've watched something like 30 concerts of my favourite Italian artist, and I still hope to see many more. All his concerts even on the same tour and without big changes in the setlist are totally different to me, communicate to my emotions with a different voice. I can only speak of the bootlegs till now, but FM give me the same sensations.

Romy

[ThePenguin]

Yup - Regina pretty much said it exactly as I would have, too. Fleetwood Mac is my band, ... Beyond that, I can't explain it. Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks just hold a different place in my heart than any other band or singer I've ever loved. They're on a different level. And they are the only artists I travel to see.

Oh you guys are making me choke up! This is all so true, and SOOO hard to explain to people who don't get it. I have felt like they were 'mine' forever. The first time I saw one of them in person-- I was about 14, at Christine's 1984 solo show-- I took a huge gulp of air and swallowed it just to keep some of the air Chris had breathed inside me LOL. When I saw Lindsey's solo show in '93, I cried most of the way through it and almost all the way home. Marty took a funny picture of me in the parking lot after the show, all weepy. :p

I never thought I'd see all 5 of them together. So when I saw the Dance shows, forget it, I was crying the minute they were all on that stage in front of me, and several times throughout.

I am so jealous of people that get to trail after them and see several shows! $ and childcare is an issue for us, so we can't do stuff like that, much as I'd love to. If they toured again, we'd try our damndest to get there!! There is no other band like this band. Granted, it's lost a bit without Chris there...but still, I adore them all, no matter where in the world they are and what they're doing. I wish for their good health and happiness as much as I wish it for my own family, and that is sort of odd, but by now I am used to it! :rolleyes:

-Lis

[Livia]

No offense to anyone, but that's like asking a bible thumper why they go to church EVERY Sunday.

Music is like a religion to me. It's very spiritual, uplifting and healing. And for me, going to concerts is like church (or temple, in my case). So, I guess it's a good thing that I live in the Live Music Capital of the World. Seeing Del Castillo, on the first anniversary of 9-11, who does all their songs in Spanish - was still one of the most profound live music experiences I've ever had. As for FM, well, everyone else has already said it so perfectly! Ditto!

However, I DO see your point about the varied set lists. Dead-heads get a different show every night. Chiffon-heads get not only the same set list, but LB in the same white shirt, and Stevie in the same black cardigan. :D

[SteveMacD]

No offense to anyone, but that's like asking a bible thumper why they go to church EVERY Sunday.
:lol:

That made my day! :thumbsup:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Thats a interesting question..it IS hard to explain

I saw them 6 times over 2003-2004 and wish i wouldve seen more..every experience was different for me..it's great fun, awesome show..even with the same set list (although the 2 i saw in 04 had some diff songs than the 03 ones of course)...

It's also not ONLY about the songs, for myself, and I think for many..it's about being able to see them IN PERSON, as well...and of course being on the front row is a totally different experience in itself..and if you go there's always that chance that you could get up there, or something reallly cool would happen..

I definetely could not say my June 1 2003 show in Greenville where I was row 20, was ANYTHING like my May 23, 04 show where i was on the front row, shaking hands, playing lindseys guitar, etc etc

Chris

[MacMan]

I saw 3 shows... 2 in 03, 1 in 04... All of them were great... All of them were pretty convenient for me to get to considering I'm in Canada. The first was Chicago in June '03 which and I had points so airfare cost me like $30 bucks for tax... so it was cheap! The second was a 2 hour drive south of me in Grand Forks in August '03, and was as close as they came to my actual city, so to NOT go... I just had to, I would have regrets for a life time if I didn't... The third was in Calgary in 04 and I just made a holiday out of it, flew in for the day... saw the concert, left the next day and flew to my parents in Vancouver for the rest of the holiday - plus there were new tunes to be heard.. so that was more motivation... I would say overall convenience was a main factor in me seeing them multiple times. If they hadn't gone to Grand Forks or Calgary... I may have taken in the Toronto show in Sept o3, but other then that I probably would have only seen the one in Chicago.

And I was bound and determined to see at least one show, cause like someone said earlier... they aren't out there that often and who knows if they will be again...

3 was plenty...

[chiliD]

No offense to anyone, but that's like asking a bible thumper why they go to church EVERY Sunday.

:lol:

That made my day! :thumbsup:

Well, there was a time when I would try to see them EVERY show (how else would I have racked up seeing them over 50 x's since 1974? And most of those before the end of the Tusk tour)...BECAUSE of the "who knows what'll happen" factor of their set list...even if it was just ONE song difference. But, for the most part, since the latter part of the Rumours tour, their set lists didn't/don't change all that much from show to show...maybe over the course of a tour, yeah, they'll add & drop songs here & there, but in a 3 or 4 night stay in town, they'll play the same set all 3 or 4 nights. The only way I'd do the multiple show per tour again is 1) I win the friggin' lottery and had millions of expendable dollars; 2) I was personally invited by one of the band members and had all-access passes (or was given a job within the band's tour entourage); or 3) they start changing the set list again from night to night (ala Dylan, Grateful Dead, Little Feat, Allman Bros, and even the Rolling Stones, too!).

The problem seems to be that they just don't seem to be able to pull off making each audience feel that they're seeing a unique show. Take someone like Paul McCartney...he pretty much plays the same songs, in the same order, and says the same things between each song...BUT, somehow, he has the ability to make each concert seem unique. Like your particular show is the only time he'd ever said those things or played those songs. THAT is a talent unto itself. I saw him 3 out of 5 nights in LA on his Flowers In The Dirt tour and that third show SEEMED as unique as the first one.

[GateandGarden]

I would be more inclined to see them over and over again despite the fact that the shows don't differ much if money wasn't an issue. IMO, it costs too much to attend one show! (Not that it's any better with other legendary artists). The music is very important to me and seeing them is very important to me, but once I've seen them once on a tour, I figure I can get enough fulfillment from playing the music in my room for free. :shrug:

[amber]

I would be more inclined to see them over and over again despite the fact that the shows don't differ much if money wasn't an issue. IMO, it costs too much to attend one show! (Not that it's any better with other legendary artists). The music is very important to me and seeing them is very important to me, but once I've seen them once on a tour, I figure I can get enough fulfillment from playing the music in my room for free. :shrug:
Did you see them this tour, Hillary?

[GateandGarden]

Did you see them this tour, Hillary?No, I've never seen any of them live. :( If they tour again, I want to go to a show. I need to go to a show. :blob1:

[ontheEdgeof17]

need to go to a show. :blob1:


.....With me. :D

[amber]

No, I've never seen any of them live. :( If they tour again, I want to go to a show. I need to go to a show. :blob1:
yeah, you might change your opinion if you did. ;) You really do. I think I used to think a little more like you. No more. I really was depressed after, and just wanted to watch the Mac, from the front, for all the rest of my life after I saw the shows...

[chiliD]

The music is very important to me and seeing them is very important to me, but once I've seen them once on a tour, I figure I can get enough fulfillment from playing the music in my room for free. :shrug:

Very good! Nowdays, seeing them once a tour is fulfilling enough.

I think it would be different if they were also changing personnel every-so-often like in the old days, too. Just when I was getting complacent with the Rumours crew, Lindsey bailed...Rick & Billy joined up and fired up my desire to see Fleetwood Mac again...then when Behind The Mask came out, it was refreshing to see how that lineup had gelled live. Then Christine & Stevie announced their departures, Rick subsequently departed, Bekka & Dave Mason hopped aboard and new excitement reigned. I saw the "apocalypse" sign when The Dance happened without a full album of new material. Christine had enough...so sure, I never got to see Buckingham Nicks, so the SYW tour was exciting in some ways, but kind of drag in others...until the houselights dimmed...I was riveted. Gave me a whole new appreciation for the SYW album...but, alas, they let the watershed go dry. I'm finding new appreciation (through reminiscing via bootlegs) of the 1975-1977 and 1987-1990 shows. I think I've become David.

As I've said over & over...

"Fleetwood Mac is dead...long live Fleetwood Mac".

[GateandGarden]

.....With me. :DThat would rock! :thumbsup: :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

yeah, you might change your opinion if you did. ;) You really do. I think I used to think a little more like you. No more. I really was depressed after, and just wanted to watch the Mac, from the front, for all the rest of my life after I saw the shows...I might wind up feeling the way you do after I've been to a show. Who knows?

I think it would be different if they were also changing personnel every-so-often like in the old days, too. Just when I was getting complacent with the Rumours crew, Lindsey bailed...Rick & Billy joined up and fired up my desire to see Fleetwood Mac again...then when Behind The Mask came out, it was refreshing to see how that lineup had gelled live. Then Christine & Stevie announced their departures, Rick subsequently departed, Bekka & Dave Mason hopped aboard and new excitement reigned. I saw the "apocalypse" sign when The Dance happened without a full album of new material. Christine had enough...so sure, I never got to see Buckingham Nicks, so the SYW tour was exciting in some ways, but kind of drag in others...until the houselights dimmed...I was riveted. Gave me a whole new appreciation for the SYW album...but, alas, they let the watershed go dry.Yes! I know that if they had a Buckingham Nicks show, and then they said that Peter would join them for some shows, and then Bob Welch would be at some shows and so on, I'd have to see more than one! :blob2: That would be an incredible experience!

[slnrox]

Yup - Regina pretty much said it exactly as I would have, too. Fleetwood Mac is my band, and Stevie sings to me like no one else. I love her words, I love her passion. And every night is different to me - depending on where I'm sitting (or standing). I tend to watch Stevie the closest - I love to see every different nuance from show to show. I love standing up against the stage at Stevie's feet, thinking, "I am mere inches from Stevie Nicks." I love singing along with her. I love when she catches me singing along with her. I love the feeling of being there, hearing my favourite songs, among other people who love them the way I do. The reason I go to as many shows as possible is because I feel like they aren't going to tour forever... and I have to see them and hear them and experience them as much as possible while they are here. Sure, there are moments I don't care for (Mick's bored as ass drum solo), and I wish they'd shake up the speeches, but I'm not about to complain. Beyond that, I can't explain it. Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks just hold a different place in my heart than any other band or singer I've ever loved. They're on a different level. And they are the only artists I travel to see.

Well said--I saw them 4 times on the last tour, and would probably have seen them even more if not for financial and geographic limitations.

[xxxmx]

i caught the SYW tour thrice and each time was just emotional overload, i'm with amber! after the 09.30.03 MSG show, i had a nervous breakdown that required weeks of bedrest and a year of therapy (matt can back me up on that one :nod: )... no i'm not completely insane, it was just waaay too much. then we were front row at the borgata and we spent... we're actually still raving about that show!

that feeling where everyone else is gone, and it's just you and the band, and you're the only person they're singing for... that's magic... i think everyone has someone/something that makes them feel that way, it's just my luck that i ended up with fleetwood mac ;) ...

[GypsySorcerer]

I saw them four times on the SYW tour. Those are the only times I've seen any of them. However, two of those times were from nosebleeds. :rolleyes:

I loved going to the shows, but I'm really tired of that damn setlist. The addition of "Sara" didn't do much for me........ (ducks, hides)

[Jyqm]

IMO, it costs too much to attend one show! (Not that it's any better with other legendary artists).

Sure it is. Certainly not all of them, and there are plenty who charge truly despicably high ticket prices, but there are also a number of "legendary" artists who don't feel the need to gouge their fans who wants to see them live. Tom Petty being probably the best example.

[Merf]

For me, it was originally all about the band, specifically Stevie & Lindsey. And even though every show is basically the same, something always happens to make it unique. As time went on, it was still about the band for me, but also about traveling and hanging out with people I rarely got to see.... or people I met for the first time. Atlanta (the Chastain show) was an especially great fan gathering and probably one of my fave shows because of it. The last show I went to in Camden, NJ, was also a great show because of all the diehards up front. I had a ball with everyone. We were also recognized personally by Lindsey since it was the next to the last show. It was really special.

[Jyqm]

For me, it was originally all about the band, specifically Stevie & Lindsey. And even though every show is basically the same, something always happens to make it unique.

Like what? Are we just talking about little things and intangibles? Lindsey said two words differently in one of his speeches? Stevie sang a line or two with a different inflection?

I'm having a hard time telling how serious some people are being in their expressions of their Lindsey or Stevie worship. Honestly, I'm finding some of it a little bit frightening.

[wondergirl9847]

Worship? I don't worship ANYBODY except God. We are all expressing how much we love this band. You asked why we go to so many shows, and everyone is sharing those reasons. Love for Stevie/Lindsey/FM, etc is one of the reasons why we go to so many shows. Love for music does not = worship.

:confused:

[Jyqm]

Worship? I don't worship ANYBODY except God. We are all expressing how much we love this band. You asked why we go to so many shows, and everyone is sharing those reasons. Love for Stevie/Lindsey/FM, etc is one of the reasons why we go to so many shows. Love for music does not = worship.

:confused:

No, not necessarily, it doesn't. And I certainly didn't single you out; I said "some people." I don't recall who exactly said what, and I don't want to wade through every post again, but a few responses were really almost frightening in their level of fanboy/girl worship. (By the way, no need to get hung up on semantics; the word "worship" has both religious and secular connotations.)

[wondergirl9847]

I know you didn't single anyone out, but I'm awake (unfortunately) and wanted to respond. :laugh:

I know it means secular and religious connotations, but I was just stating that I don't worship (secularly) this band or it's members. I think people are just passionate about FM and music in general. The music they have made has touched our lives and we want to share that. Some people are more passionate than others, that's cool. I did use the word obsessed in one of my posts, but it was more joke than anything. I'm not obsessed with anything or anyone, but I do love Lindsey's/FM's music and it's special to me.

When people start talking about stalking a member or when their life revolves around the band and the band only....then, I think it's serious. :shocked: Other than that, it's just passion for music. :)

[xxxmx]

I said "some people." I don't recall who exactly said what, and I don't want to wade through every post again, but a few responses were really almost frightening in their level of fanboy/girl worship.

no need to clarify on your part because i'm not offended, but i'm rather sure that i'm 'some people' in this situation. what i probably should have included in my post is that i identify some songs so greatly with one special person or one special moment in time, i know i'm not alone in that. just seeing some of those songs performed live, be it FM or whoever, can be a really heavy thing. the first time i got 'silver springs' live was such a huge thing, and i knew even from waaay far away in my crap seats that it was special.

enter a collegiate thesis and a crumbling relationship and... yeah, too much all at once... i'm finished with that though, i don't feel the need to justify myself or my post to you.

and as for fanboy/fangirl worship, i would advise treading lightly on that issue. a lot of us come to this board because it gives us a chance to connect with other fans, ledgies have devleoped a very real 'community' here! so just as we come here to connect with fans, some go to shows to connect with the band. i have no problem with people who drop cash to see FM (or anyone) several times on a tour. if people aren't feeding their kids or paying their electric bills in order to get to that extra show, well, i'll take issue with that. otherwise, to each his own.

and just for the record, your (Jyqm) level of fanboy/fangirl judgement is frightening... even more so because you're on the Ledge for *F*sake!

[Kelly]

I saw many shows on the SYW tour as I have on most tours. The first time I saw Stevie live was on the Wild Heart tour and I have been going strong ever since. I connect with their music like no other artist and seeing them live is very very enjoyable to me. It does not get old or boring because even though the songs are the same night after night, I still find new interesting things to enjoy from each show. I flew to Atlanta to see the show in May of 04, who knew that would be the last time I would get to see Silver Springs? Each and every show was different and unique to me. Stevie was sick in Holmdel and Lindsey was adorable to us. In Jones Beach, Stevie and Lindsey were on FIRE and it rained on all of us, including the band. I have special memories from each show, some more so than others.
I have spent alot of money but for me, it is worth it. I am afraid that there are not many more times to see them live before they semi retire. This is my one vice, the one thing I spend money on that is a luxury. The husband doesn't get it and doesnt always like it but he knows it makes me happy. He sees how excited I am and how much comfort their music brings me. He knows how long I have loved Stevie and how personal certain songs are to events in my life...so he encourages me to see them whenever I want. Call it scary if you want but I am not hurting anyone...just my own bank account. I don't stalk the band members at their hotels because I feel it is inappropriate. I take what they give me onstage and it inspires me in ways I cannot explain. Maybe it is scary and over the top but I can think of many other things more worthy of that description. Seeing a dozen Mac shows hardly qualifies as scary....it is my money, my hobby and my life. If no one else "gets it" that is ok, because I do.

[Vianna]

If I had the money, I'd be like a FM fan I know who trails them around the country. I love them that much. I don't care that the set list is the same that much-of course I'd like some variation-but I really go to the show to see <b> them</b>. I can hear the music at home after all. I love watching the Lindsey Stevie interaction, and Mick making faces, and John playing. I missed seeing Chris last time-she adds such class to the show.

If I could meet any one of them in person (but Lindsey especially) it would be
a life's dream come true...I dream about meeting them..I know, I am obsessed :)

[Gailh]

I saw them twice in London in Nov/Dec 03.

I didn't particularly enjoy the first time but went again because I believed a rumour I read that Christine would be making an appearance!

If Chris had been with them I would have gone to more shows because living in England you always get the feeling that this might be the last time and you want to make the most of it.

I think the same lines that they spout between songs gets boring after a while but most times there are subtle differences in the way they do the songs so that is interesting.

Gail

[Sorceress]

For me, it was originally all about the band, specifically Stevie & Lindsey. And even though every show is basically the same, something always happens to make it unique. As time went on, it was still about the band for me, but also about traveling and hanging out with people I rarely got to see.... or people I met for the first time.


I agree. For me it started out being only about the music and the band, but it became about the entire experience--the travel, hanging out with friends, seeing new places, taking a break from real life for just a little while. I started out as a Deadhead, so I guess it seemed natural to me to see my favorite band as many times as I could afford. I love the music enough that it never became boring to me, even though I wished for a changeup now and then . I apologize for forgetting who made this point earlier, but I also found it fun to notice the little things that were different each night--who was on and who wasn't, Stevie changing up her outfit just a bit, maybe getting to have a brief interaction with Lindsey... Damn, SYW was fun.
Oh, and I second what Kelly said too--we're not hurting anyone but our own bank accounts. :)

[GateandGarden]

Sure it is. Certainly not all of them, and there are plenty who charge truly despicably high ticket prices, but there are also a number of "legendary" artists who don't feel the need to gouge their fans who wants to see them live. Tom Petty being probably the best example.I didn't even realize that. Well, that just makes it even more of an injustice. :rolleyes:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Like what? Are we just talking about little things and intangibles? Lindsey said two words differently in one of his speeches? Stevie sang a line or two with a different inflection?

I'm having a hard time telling how serious some people are being in their expressions of their Lindsey or Stevie worship. Honestly, I'm finding some of it a little bit frightening.

It was a different experience every time for me, different seats..different interactions with the band....and believe me we are VERY serious in our "worship" lol...it's a great time, plenty of ppl spending hundreds of dollars or thousands on football and other sports events, go to multiple game..but that's NORMAL? I think it's no different than that..

Chris

[Jyqm]

It was a different experience every time for me, different seats..different interactions with the band....and believe me we are VERY serious in our "worship" lol...it's a great time, plenty of ppl spending hundreds of dollars or thousands on football and other sports events, go to multiple game..but that's NORMAL? I think it's no different than that..

Well, it's significantly different just in the fact that a sporting event is a completely different game each time, but I certainly never claimed that spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on sports tickets was "normal."

[Jyqm]

and as for fanboy/fangirl worship, i would advise treading lightly on that issue. a lot of us come to this board because it gives us a chance to connect with other fans, ledgies have devleoped a very real 'community' here! so just as we come here to connect with fans, some go to shows to connect with the band. i have no problem with people who drop cash to see FM (or anyone) several times on a tour. if people aren't feeding their kids or paying their electric bills in order to get to that extra show, well, i'll take issue with that. otherwise, to each his own.

and just for the record, your (Jyqm) level of fanboy/fangirl judgement is frightening... even more so because you're on the Ledge for *F*sake!

Yes, god forbid.

[sodascouts]

Like what? Are we just talking about little things and intangibles? Lindsey said two words differently in one of his speeches? Stevie sang a line or two with a different inflection?

I'm having a hard time telling how serious some people are being in their expressions of their Lindsey or Stevie worship. Honestly, I'm finding some of it a little bit frightening.

So, you ask people to talk about why they go to a lot of shows, then judge them and act condescending when they answer you honestly. Nice.

[dissention]

No, not necessarily, it doesn't. And I certainly didn't single you out; I said "some people." I don't recall who exactly said what, and I don't want to wade through every post again, but a few responses were really almost frightening in their level of fanboy/girl worship. (By the way, no need to get hung up on semantics; the word "worship" has both religious and secular connotations.)

Don't confuse the people on this board with the likes of 4buck and Babs McLuin, dear. I certainly wouldn't spend my hard earned money following the band around, but I don't begrudge or look down on anyone that does, especially if it brings them joy.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I went to 6 shows when they came to the UK in 2003. The fact they very rarely come here added to the need to go to multiple shows! We have to grab what we can!

Pip

[strandinthewind]

I went to a few shows on each leg. I had a blast. I met some really really cool people that I am still friends with after a few years and we do things outside of FM events. So, for me, it was worth it in spades :cool:

[Jyqm]

So, you ask people to talk about why they go to a lot of shows, then judge them and act condescending when they answer you honestly. Nice.

Which part of my post are you saying was condescending? The first part definitely was not intended to be. A number of people have brought up that when they go to multiple shows there's always "something" that makes each show unique, even though it's the same songs played in the same order in the same arrangements, and I was asking what that something is. And a few people offered some answers, whether it was one band member just being more or less "on" or even just having different seats. Hey, if that does it for you and you've got that kind of money, more power to you.

The second part of my post wasn't really meant to be condescending, per se, but yeah, I thought a couple of responses were a bit over-the-top in the level of adoration for various band members. I certainly not taking issue with it as some kind of problem or calling out people to justify themselves, I'm just saying I find it a little out there.

[SteveMacD]

Like what? Are we just talking about little things and intangibles? Lindsey said two words differently in one of his speeches? Stevie sang a line or two with a different inflection?
Actually, I could justify going to a lot of Mac shows just to hear McVie change up the bass lines in the songs. John is probably 40% of why I go see Fleetwood Mac.

[strandinthewind]

Actually, I could justify going to a lot of Mac shows just to hear McVie change up the bass lines in the songs. John is probably 40% of why I go see Fleetwood Mac.

John is just greatness :nod:

[GateandGarden]

The second part of my post wasn't really meant to be condescending, per se, but yeah, I thought a couple of responses were a bit over-the-top in the level of adoration for various band members. I certainly not taking issue with it as some kind of problem or calling out people to justify themselves, I'm just saying I find it a little out there.I don't even know what you're talking about, really. This is nothing to me. I've been frightened by people who are overzealous for various reasons, but I don't think this thread is anything to speak of. :shrug:

[Serrart]

John is just greatness :nod:

Definitely, great man and amazing bass player. :nod:

Romy

[dissention]

John is just greatness :nod:

Not worth hundreds of my dollars, though. Once or twice a tour is enough for me. :laugh:

[MirrorInTheSky]

I saw them 4 times on the SYW tour, discouraged from seeing more only by geography. I think the "what if" point has been made, but I was so excited to be in the audience during the second Houston show where she led the entire amphitheater in the last part of "Landslide". She seemed really tickled, and she hadn't done it at any of the previous 3 shows. Of course, a better time to ask me this question would be when I'm standing up front, the crickets come on, and I hear the first notes of "The Chain". I think the expression on my face would say it all. :nod:

[wondergirl9847]

That is one of my favorite shows (that stupid, drunk beyotch aside :rolleyes: ) because I was front row and gave Lindsey the book and poster I made for him. Lots of people told me (that includes Ledgies AND strangers) that he showed it to Stevie too! Sigh.....that was such a great show.

Anyways, that's another reason to see them over and over (dammit, pun intended! LOL)....the audience. Some audiences suck a$$ (Dallas), and some totally rule (Woodlands...again, stupid, drunk beyotch aside. LOL). The audience can make a show miserable or tons of fun. :nod:

[ThePenguin]

Actually, I could justify going to a lot of Mac shows just to hear McVie change up the bass lines in the songs. John is probably 40% of why I go see Fleetwood Mac.

I hear ya; same here. Plus he's a cutie patootie. :woohoo:

-Lis

[ChrystalGypsey]

I know that many of you are comforted by their music in general, but I am comforted too, by the familiarity of it all. I know the set list, I know what Stevie and Lindsey will say, and I like it.

That's why we like songs that we know the words to...FAMILIARITY. And why we see a movie more than once. I'd rather do something (concerts, experiences, etc.) than regret I never had the chance. The prices are very high, and many of us can't fit it in to the budget. And, if you consider flying to a show...wellll...that's quite expensive.

That being said, I paid $277 for a round trip flight to Las Vegas and 4 nights at the Excaliber Hotel!!! Quite worth it!!! And...MY BOYFRIEND WANTS TO MARRY ME IN VEGAS!!! Thank you Fleetwood Mac. :xoxo:

[MirrorInTheSky]

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=2][FONT=Microsoft Sans Serif]That is one of my favorite shows COLOR]

Yay! Woodlands totally rocked. Though, I had a blast in Dallas too. Not sure why you had such a bad time. The people around Stevie and me were great!

[strandinthewind]

I know that many of you are comforted by their music in general, but I am comforted too, by the familiarity of it all. I know the set list, I know what Stevie and Lindsey will say, and I like it.

That's why we like songs that we know the words to...FAMILIARITY. And why we see a movie more than once. I'd rather do something (concerts, experiences, etc.) than regret I never had the chance. The prices are very high, and many of us can't fit it in to the budget. And, if you consider flying to a show...wellll...that's quite expensive.

That being said, I paid $277 for a round trip flight to Las Vegas and 4 nights at the Excaliber Hotel!!! Quite worth it!!! And...MY BOYFRIEND WANTS TO MARRY ME IN VEGAS!!! Thank you Fleetwood Mac. :xoxo:

OMG - that is FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!

You MUST post pics from the 24 hour wedding chapel!!!!!! :)

[diamondsnake]

I know that many of you are comforted by their music in general, but I am comforted too, by the familiarity of it all. I know the set list, I know what Stevie and Lindsey will say, and I like it.

That's why we like songs that we know the words to...FAMILIARITY. And why we see a movie more than once. I'd rather do something (concerts, experiences, etc.) than regret I never had the chance. The prices are very high, and many of us can't fit it in to the budget. And, if you consider flying to a show...wellll...that's quite expensive.

That being said, I paid $277 for a round trip flight to Las Vegas and 4 nights at the Excaliber Hotel!!! Quite worth it!!! And...MY BOYFRIEND WANTS TO MARRY ME IN VEGAS!!! Thank you Fleetwood Mac. :xoxo:
OMG! A Vegas Wedding- how cool is that? Congrats!

[wondergirl9847]

Yay! Woodlands totally rocked. Though, I had a blast in Dallas too. Not sure why you had such a bad time. The people around Stevie and me were great!

One lady made my night miserable. She wouldn't shut her frickin' mouth all freakin' night. She screamed at Stevie and Lindsey while they sang and would go from side to side. She almost pulled Lindsey off stage when he went down to let people play his guitar. She was clearly drunk and bothered me all dang night. :mad:

Wish they would ban alcohol at ALL concerts.

[Kelly]

Was Miss Stevie quite pissed when the drunk chick tried to pull Liddy off the stage? I seem to remember a review from one of the SYW shows where Stevie appeared highly agitated by the drunken antics of one lady. (not overseas when someone yelled "you're no Peter Green" at him and Stevie supposedly flapped said person the bird) (did she really do that or is that one of those Mac myths?)
It is interesting because even though Stevie appears to being looking over the front row and does not interact with the fans down there nearly as much as LB..she ALWAYS seems to know what is going on. She is watching out of the corner of her eye or something! She knows what is up~

[WildInTheWind]

That being said, I paid $277 for a round trip flight to Las Vegas and 4 nights at the Excaliber Hotel!!! Quite worth it!!! And...MY BOYFRIEND WANTS TO MARRY ME IN VEGAS!!! Thank you Fleetwood Mac. :xoxo:

I'm not going to Vegas. I proposed to my boyfriend this weekend...on the grounds that we got married in Vegas in May. :D He didn't fall for that one....I got shot down!

[cliffdweller]

I don't see how anyone could go to more than one or two Mac shows, I'd be bored out of my mind. Stagnant setlists, canned speeches, rehearsed movements, etc. Great band, but not great enough for me to spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds to see the same show over and over. :laugh: I like to go to multiple concerts of artists and bands that change things around on a constant basis.

:nod: I agree completely. And being a student, disposable cash is hard to come by. If they're not going to change it up, I can't justify the expenditure.

That's why it makes me mad that I missed David Bowie when he played Austin. I found out after the fact that he changes up the setlist every night! Ugh. I have a feeling though that this won't be his last tour. I think a lot of people thought that this might be the Mac's last outing so they oversaturated themselves. Totally understandable! If I had had the money, I would have been at the Boston DVD taping show no doubt about it!

[dissention]

:nod: I agree completely. And being a student, disposable cash is hard to come by. If they're not going to change it up, I can't justify the expenditure.

That's why it makes me mad that I missed David Bowie when he played Austin. I found out after the fact that he changes up the setlist every night! Ugh. I have a feeling though that this won't be his last tour. I think a lot of people thought that this might be the Mac's last outing so they oversaturated themselves. Totally understandable! If I had had the money, I would have been at the Boston DVD taping show no doubt about it!

Personally, I don't foresee Fleetwood Mac ever touring again, but that's just one blokes opinion. I think we might get one more studio album in about five years, but not much else. The Boston show (the 24th) was one of the best concerts I've ever been to, though. The crowd and the band were in overdrive. I was *exhausted* when it was over.

I always try to catch as many Bowie shows as possible (same with Blondie). :nod: The Heathen tour was my favorite because he played the entire Low and Heathen albums at one of the shows I went to, then played the entire Heathen album with a bunch of different songs at another show. His live shows kick ass. I mean, I have a bootleg from last June where he actually plays Lyzza Jane and The Supermen! :eek:

[sodascouts]

Was Miss Stevie quite pissed when the drunk chick tried to pull Liddy off the stage? I seem to remember a review from one of the SYW shows where Stevie appeared highly agitated by the drunken antics of one lady. (not overseas when someone yelled "you're no Peter Green" at him and Stevie supposedly flapped said person the bird) (did she really do that or is that one of those Mac myths?)
It is interesting because even though Stevie appears to being looking over the front row and does not interact with the fans down there nearly as much as LB..she ALWAYS seems to know what is going on. She is watching out of the corner of her eye or something! She knows what is up~

I think you're talking about the Machester show. Pip was there, so she'd be more detailed, but I believe the problem was that there was a fight in the front row. Lindsey stopped playing, yelled something to the effect of "get the f*ck out of our concert", and they got mad and flipped him off as they were "escorted" out. Stevie flipped them the bird right back.

[seeker007nmss]

That being said, I paid $277 for a round trip flight to Las Vegas and 4 nights at the Excaliber Hotel!!! Quite worth it!!! And...MY BOYFRIEND WANTS TO MARRY ME IN VEGAS!!! Thank you Fleetwood Mac. :xoxo:


You are getting married and seeing Stevie? Maybe the ledgies should crash the wedding?!? :eek: (Or atleast help Elvis sing Blue Hawaii. You ARE getting the Elvis marriage ceremony aren't you?) :D

[wondergirl9847]

Was Miss Stevie quite pissed when the drunk chick tried to pull Liddy off the stage?

I have no clue regarding Stevie, but I was pi$$ed. LOL I mean, if she would have pulled him down into the crowd or onto the ground, he could have been seriously hurt, and then we would have had to have paramedics...because I would have beat the living sh*t outta her!! :mad:

She kept saying to me "He's so beautiful. Isn't he beautiful?" regarding Lindsey....and Mick. :shocked: I was like "Um, no." when she was talking about Mick. LOL

[amber]

I think you're talking about the Machester show. Pip was there, so she'd be more detailed, but I believe the problem was that there was a fight in the front row. Lindsey stopped playing, yelled something to the effect of "get the f*ck out of our concert", and they got mad and flipped him off as they were "escorted" out. Stevie flipped them the bird right back.
*sigh*...I would love to see Stevie flip someone the bird... :lol: Cause I'm a fanwhore!!! :)

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I think you're talking about the Machester show. Pip was there, so she'd be more detailed, but I believe the problem was that there was a fight in the front row. Lindsey stopped playing, yelled something to the effect of "get the f*ck out of our concert", and they got mad and flipped him off as they were "escorted" out. Stevie flipped them the bird right back.
I was at the other Manchester show so missed all the action. My friend was there though and rang me right after. Stevie was seriously pissed

Pip

[cliffdweller]

His live shows kick ass. I have a bootleg from last June where he actually plays Lyzza Jane and The Supermen! :eek:


:eek: :eek: Get OUT!!! I would have LOVED to have seen/heard this!

I bet the casual fans were pissed when he only played Heathen and Low at one of the shows!! :laugh: :laugh: They were probably like, wtf is this ****?!!?!?!? :laugh: I am seriously rolling just thinking about it!

[cliffdweller]

Stevie flipped them the bird right back.

Awesome! For some reason this makes me giggle with glee. :laugh:


Edit: I just had a thought after I posted this. How horrible would one feel the next day (after much sobering up) to know that the Stevie Nicks :eek: flipped you the bird at the Fleetwood Mac show that you were fan enough to pay money for and get right up front for?!?!? Mortified I tell you, MORTIFIED!!!! I think I would go hide out in a cave for the rest of my life to know that I pissed STEVIE NICKS off so badly that she gave me the bird! And not mention the stuff with Lindsey!! I'm sorry but this totally freaks me out to think about! :laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

I guess the reason why I went to multiple shows (three to be exact - spending approx $1500 between them) is probably the same reason why I see movies over and over again - If I really love it, I don't get bored.

Besides that, I wasn't around or was very young during most of the band's career and I never got the opportunity to see them on the Dance tour. There's no telling if they will ever tour again, so I figured I'd better see as much of them as I can while I still can. They're not the most prolific of artists and they're not getting any younger.

[dissention]

:eek: :eek: Get OUT!!! I would have LOVED to have seen/heard this!

I noticed that someone uploaded it on EasyTree last night, so there should be tons of seeders if you want to grab it. :nod: It's the same show where he rips one of the security guards a new asshole during Man Who Sold the World and tells him to get out of his show. :laugh:

I bet the casual fans were pissed when he only played Heathen and Low at one of the shows!! :laugh: :laugh: They were probably like, wtf is this ****?!!?!?!? :laugh: I am seriously rolling just thinking about it!

He opened with Speed of Life and there were quite a few people scratching their heads, but I think they either got used to the set or just sulked in disappointment by the time he reached Warszawa. :laugh: When he was done with both albums, he did some other ones like Hallo Spaceboy (which I *love* live and never get sick of) and Fashion. His sets are loooooooooooong.

[cliffdweller]

His sets are loooooooooooong.

And worthy every g.d. penny! I paid less for the Bowie show than any show on the SYW tour and Bowie delivers night after night, after night, after night, after night...amazing. He's like the Energizer Bunny. And dude's up there in age too yet there's nothing "tired" about his shows at all . To echo your sentiment, Hallo Spaceboy is my favorite live song hands down.

[Jyqm]

I bet the casual fans were pissed when he only played Heathen and Low at one of the shows!! :laugh: :laugh: They were probably like, wtf is this ****?!!?!?!? :laugh: I am seriously rolling just thinking about it!

Hey, no pity for casual fans who go to a Bowie show expecting just the hits! ;) Kids oughta do their homework before they buy their tickets. That goes double for casual Neil Young fans...

I mean, hey, if you want to see a concert that plays to the lowest common denominator, just wait until Fleetwood Mac rolls back into town...

[Jyqm]

And worthy every g.d. penny! I paid less for the Bowie show than any show on the SYW tour and Bowie delivers night after night, after night, after night, after night...amazing. He's like the Energizer Bunny. And dude's up there in age too yet there's nothing "tired" about his shows at all .

Not to mention he had heart surgery right in the middle of the tour!

I actually managed to pay less for Fleetwood Mac than for Bowie in 2003/2004 since I was able to get up to Milwaukee for the Mac at Summerfest.

[dissention]

I mean, hey, if you want to see a concert that plays to the lowest common denominator, just wait until Fleetwood Mac rolls back into town...

Ain't that the truth... :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Ain't that the truth... :laugh:

esp. when she sang Beautiful Child and he played Come :rolleyes:

[dissention]

esp. when she sang Beautiful Child and he played Come :rolleyes:

Hehe. Yeah, those two songs really elevate the setlist from pandering to the lowest common denominator to being an adventurous and inventive one. :laugh:

:rolleyes:

[wondergirl9847]

I guess the reason why I went to multiple shows (three to be exact - spending approx $1500 between them) is probably the same reason why I see movies over and over again - If I really love it, I don't get bored.


Also, why do people watch reruns of TV shows? They know what's gonna happen! Because, if you love something a lot, you don't get sick of it. I've probably seen all 29 Twin Peaks episodes more than 5 times. LOL

Plus, I'd rather see Stevie sing Dreams for the trillionth time or Lindsey act crazy on stage than go see most of the bands that are on the radio today.

[strandinthewind]

Hehe. Yeah, those two songs really elevate the setlist from pandering to the lowest common denominator to being an adventurous and inventive one. :laugh:

:rolleyes:

snob :p ;) :wavey:

[dissention]

snob :p ;) :wavey:

:nod::nod::nod:

Especially when it involves paying over a hundred to hear such a crap setlist.

[amber]

:nod::nod::nod:

Especially when it involves paying over a hundred to hear such a crap setlist.
crap? uh, don't you like most of those songs?

[HomerMcvie]

crap? uh, don't you like most of those songs?
The first 10,000 times I heard them. They might as well lip sync the show.

[dissention]

crap? uh, don't you like most of those songs?

Yeah, but I don't need to pay all that money to see or hear them performed more than once. The Mac comes up with the most boring setlists known to mankind. It's nice once, albeit a bit dull because you've heard most of the songs a million times and you know that they're just saying the same thing they've said at every other show, but I couldn't do it over and over and over and over like some can.

[dissention]

The first 10,000 times I heard them. They might as well lip sync the show.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

+10.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I just wonder did most fans complain this much about the set during the dance tour? Or was everyone so excited just to have them back, that they didnt care that it was always the same...with EVEN less rarities than the SYW Tour (which atleast contained some songs never performed live, other than my little demon, sweet girl, bleed to love her and temporary one) unlike the dance..

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I think this tour had more odd songs in the set, than any of their other tours..

Total songs not NORMALLY performed on previous tours :

say goodbye, whats the world coming to, red rover, say you will, destiny rules, running through the garden, come, goodbye baby, beautiful child, eyes of the world, i know im not wrong, dont let me down again, sara, world turning (atleast not performed on the dance tour), second hand news (only performed a few times on dance tour), etc..not a bad set list at all IMO, for a band with MANY hits

Chris

[estranged4life]

it's just that I am a concert junkie, And I like to hang out with my fellow Ledgies who attend the same shows I attend (ie-Livia & wondergirl).

Cannot wait to get back down to Dallas this summer for my annual Mac related show to hang with some more Ledgies and just un-f**kin-wind!!!

[dissention]

say goodbye

A highlight.

whats the world coming to

It was alright.

red rover

My favorite and the only saving grace at the Mansfield show.

say you will

Dullsville. No surprise it was played since it was a single.

destiny rules

Quckly dropped. Twice. Rightfully so.

running through the garden

Dropped after one night. A pity.

come

Great live, sucky on the record. A rarity!

goodbye baby

Fabulous when her voice was up to snuff.

beautiful child

Always great.

eyes of the world

Shouldn't have been dropped.

i know im not wrong

Was missing lots of spark, but it was shocking to hear it live in 2004.

dont let me down again

Dropped after one night.

sara

Whoreanus.

world turning (atleast not performed on the dance tour)

Yet not even close to being a rarity. One of my favorite songs and even though the SYW version didn't bowl me over, I'd like to see it stick because I don't tire of it much.

second hand news (only performed a few times on dance tour)

Was performed quite a bit after they got rid of Eyes of the World after one night.

etc..not a bad set list at all IMO, for a band with MANY hits

Their problem isn't so much that they pick the same dull songs over and over to play (though that is quite a problem, imo), it's that they essentially stick with the same dull setlist for their entire tour. It's rather maddening and, to bring this back to the original topic, not worth my spending hundreds to see over and over. Don't they ever get the urge to just cut loose on something like Tango In the Night or Straight Back? I could care less if I ever heard the following songs again in concert:

The Chain (the chain has been broken, stop singing it)
Dreams
Second Hand News
Rhiannon
Gypsy
Big Love
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
Sara
I'm So Afraid
Silver Springs (ESPECIALLY Silver Springs)
Tusk
Stand Back
Go Your Own Way
Don't Stop

But it's unrealistic for me to think they'll haul out with Storms, Save Me A Place, Crystal, Oh Diane, Tango In the Night, That's Alright, Smile At You, Straight Back, Monday Morning, I Don't Want To Know, etc.

[amber]

I think I would die if I didn't hear the Chain live at the concerts. DIE!!!! I love it so much, and it is so pumpalicious live. Makes me wanna holla.

[SteveMacD]

I just wonder did most fans complain this much about the set during the dance tour? Or was everyone so excited just to have them back, that they didnt care that it was always the same...with EVEN less rarities than the SYW Tour (which atleast contained some songs never performed live, other than my little demon, sweet girl, bleed to love her and temporary one) unlike the dance..
Well, there were complaints, but not this much. You have to remember that "The Dance" was the live "reunion" album made up of mostly greatest hits and other well known songs, and it was expected that the tour was going to be the big hits show. They only played 40 shows on that tour over three months, so that tour wasn't nearly on the same scale as SYW. If they made interesting changes after every 40 shows, I doubt there would be this many complaints. Another way to keep things interesting would be to have three set-lists which they could alternate from show to show.

[SteveMacD]

I could care less if I ever heard the following songs again in concert:

The Chain (the chain has been broken, stop singing it)
Dreams
Second Hand News
Rhiannon
Gypsy
Big Love
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
Sara
I'm So Afraid
Silver Springs (ESPECIALLY Silver Springs)
Tusk
Stand Back
Go Your Own Way
Don't Stop
I mostly agree with you, but getting rid of most of these songs is pretty unrealistic. They'll always play The Chain, Dreams, Rhiannon, Big Love, Landslide, Go Your Own Way, and Don't Stop. My guess is that Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Stand Back, and Tusk are also sacred cows in their minds. Especially Tusk, as I think Lindsey wants to play all three of his hits he had with Fleetwood Mac. Personally, I'm all for them not playing anything from the second group of songs I listed in favor of some more obscure stuff.

[HomerMcvie]

Well, there were complaints, but not this much. You have to remember that "The Dance" was the live "reunion" album made up of mostly greatest hits and other well known songs, and it was expected that the tour was going to be the big hits show. They only played 40 shows on that tour over three months, so that tour wasn't nearly on the same scale as SYW. If they made interesting changes after every 40 shows, I doubt there would be this many complaints. Another way to keep things interesting would be to have three set-lists which they could alternate from show to show.
And I've never understood this. :confused: Are they not CAPABLE of remembering a few more songs, so even they don't get bored? I don't understand why they INSIST on playing the same setlist, night after night.

For example, my band is playing tonight and tomorrow night, at the same club. 43-45 songs per night. Only probably 15 of the songs will be played both nights. And the variety is more for us, than them.

[Jyqm]

Also, why do people watch reruns of TV shows? They know what's gonna happen! Because, if you love something a lot, you don't get sick of it. I've probably seen all 29 Twin Peaks episodes more than 5 times. LOL

Reruns are free, though. So I guess I'll modify my original question to why do folks pay money (especially so much money) to see the same show over and over again, since I think the money issue is really what makes in unfathomable to me.

Somebody mentioned seeing a good movie multiple times. At least for me, unless it's a truly amazing film, I don't feel like spending ten bucks a pop to see it multiple times in the theater in the span of a few weeks. I'd rather wait a few months and buy the DVD; pay twice the cost of a movie ticket and get to watch it as many times as I want.

And I think I view concerts in the same way. Even if a Fleetwood Mac show only cost $20, I don't know that I'd go to multiple shows on a single tour. I don't want to pay the same price to see the same thing again.


Plus, I'd rather see Stevie sing Dreams for the trillionth time or Lindsey act crazy on stage than go see most of the bands that are on the radio today.

Me too. Then again, I'd rather go see dozens of other artists who aren't necessarily on the radio and who play fresh and exciting shows, than see Stevie sing Dreams for the trillionth time.

[Jyqm]

And I've never understood this. :confused: Are they not CAPABLE of remembering a few more songs, so even they don't get bored? I don't understand why they INSIST on playing the same setlist, night after night.

I don't get it either. Certainly they're capable of performing dozens of songs that don't make it into the setlist, and I simply can't believe that, by the end of the tour, it wasn't just maddeningly boring to be playing the exact same set night after night after night after night.

[strandinthewind]

crap? uh, don't you like most of those songs?


again, he is a SNOB - but a loveable one :xoxo:

I think the important thing to remember is a band like FM HAS to play the hits - we may get tired of them, but the judging by the applause factor, the rest of the public (which is 99% of the other concert attendees) do not. Interestingly, La Nicks did play an exceptional and somewhat remote setlist on the Enchanted tour.

[dissention]

again, he is a SNOB - but a loveable one :xoxo:

I think the important thing to remember is a band like FM HAS to play the hits - we may get tired of them, but the judging by the applause factor, the rest of the public (which is 99% of the other concert attendees) do not. Interestingly, La Nicks did play an exceptional and somewhat remote setlist on the Enchanted tour.

They don't HAVE to, they choose to. There's a difference. :D

[strandinthewind]

They don't HAVE to, they choose to. There's a difference. :D

If they want to sell an arena, they have to. Personally, I think La Nicks and LB would LOVE to do an unknown set. But, I think they add some into it and when the audience does not react, they drop it a la DR and DLMDA.

[Jyqm]

I mostly agree with you, but getting rid of most of these songs is pretty unrealistic. They'll always play The Chain, Dreams, Rhiannon, Big Love, Landslide, Go Your Own Way, and Don't Stop. My guess is that Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Stand Back, and Tusk are also sacred cows in their minds.

Of course they'll always play these songs, but if we're even hypothetically going to hold Fleetwood Mac to the standards of many other bands, there's no reason they have to play ALL of them EVERY night. When nearly half your setlist is all but set in stone every tour, it just makes things ridiculously stagnant.

I really wonder why they feel they have to pander so much. I don't think it's necessarily that they don't want to mix things up, but that they feel they can't or they shouldn't. I remember on the Enchanted tour, before Stevie would do her little acoustic rarities mini-set (Glitter/Garbo/Rose Garden/Sleeping Angel), she'd mention how excited she was to be playing these songs, but she couldn't do something like that on any other tour. And I just wanted to throw up my hands and shout, "Why not?!"

[chiliD]

They don't HAVE to, they choose to. There's a difference. :D


EXACTLY!

I think it hilarious that with all their SYW album promotional hype they kept harping that "it is the best material we've ever done", blah, blah, blah...then only play 4 of the 18 songs on the album in concert. Come out, play the whole damned album if it's so f*ing great...then play an entire set of the hits as "an encore". Like Pink Floyd used to do...and The Who, when they'd do Tommy, and Brian Wilson recently with both Pet Sounds and SmiLe; and Neil Young with Greendale

[dissention]

But, I think they add some into it and when the audience does not react, they drop it a la DR and DLMDA.

Which is how they shoot themselves in the foot: by introducing new songs, dropping them, and being stuck playing the same stale ****.

[strandinthewind]

EXACTLY!

I think it hilarious that with all their SYW album promotional hype they kept harping that "it is the best material we've ever done", blah, blah, blah...then only play 4 of the 18 songs on the album in concert. Come out, play the whole damned album if it's so f*ing great...then play an entire set of the hits as "an encore". Like Pink Floyd used to do...and The Who, when they'd do Tommy, and Brian Wilson recently with both Pet Sounds and SmiLe.

Interestingly, Diana Ross (who usually is anything but interesting unless she is being arrested :laugh: ) - did that with her Supremes stuff. She did a 15 or so minute medley. It worked okay for her. I am not suggesting the Mac do anything that drastic, but the Grammy thing was okay and trunkated :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Which is how they shoot themselves in the foot: by introducing new songs, dropping them, and being stuck playing the same stale ****.

I agree and wish they would vary, but I think we are in the VAST minority. I cannot tell you how many people were literally PISSED she did not play Landslide for TISL. I was relieved because she played a TISL song - she actually played a lot of them prior to the sickness (Everyday, POTU, BS ( :laugh: ) , FFG, Sorcerer, and maybe one more I cannot think of) - five of 13 is pretty big in that set. Yet, I would love for her to have played TTM or ROF - which she did not. Anyway, they should vary, but they never will and never really have.

[Jyqm]

If they want to sell an arena, they have to.

That's simply not true. There are a number of artists out there who sell out arena shows without playing stagnant, hits-only setlists every night.

Nobody's saying that Fleetwood Mac should simply stop playing all their hit songs altogether and just play obscure album tracks and b-sides. But there is a middle ground here. It's entirely possible to put on a concert that includes enough hits to appease the casual fans while still mixing things up and throwing in enough more obscure songs to keep things fun and interesting for the more dedicated fans.

The most obvious example that comes to my mind is Bruce Springsteen. When he tours with the band, he fills lots of big venues, and while he always includes a number of hits (at the very least, you're all but guaranteed to hear Born To Run and Badlands, and depending on the tour, you might have Thunder Road or Dancing In The Dark or Born In The USA popping up almost every night as well), he also continually mixes things up and throws in lesser-known songs. I don't think anyone could really complain that Springsteen's last tour was light on hits and well-known songs, but he still managed to play 150 unique songs over the course of fifteen months.

Of course, Fleetwood Mac (at least the current line-up) doesn't quite have the catalogue that Springsteen has, but they certainly could mix things up a hell of a lot more than they currently do.

[dissention]

EXACTLY!

I think it hilarious that with all their SYW album promotional hype they kept harping that "it is the best material we've ever done", blah, blah, blah...then only play 4 of the 18 songs on the album in concert. Come out, play the whole damned album if it's so f*ing great...then play an entire set of the hits as "an encore". Like Pink Floyd used to do...and The Who, when they'd do Tommy, and Brian Wilson recently with both Pet Sounds and SmiLe; and Neil Young with Greendale

Yup, but the band has said that they're essentially terrified of playing new songs for audiences, which begs the question of why they even bother making new music. I suspect they do it for a reason to tour, but I doubt anyone will really agree with that assertion. If you don't think your audience can handle your music, stop making it and just embrace being the nostalgia act that you've become.

I also find it rather ridiculous that the likes of Stevie Nicks is afraid to play new songs. All she has to do is one unbalanced twirl during the course of a new song and the majority of her paying fans will feign orgasmic.

[strandinthewind]

Plus, Stevie does play new songs. I mean look at the setlist for TISL. Personally, I think they are nervous as to how they will go over, but they like playing them.

[chiliD]

Oh, I'm not EVEN suggesting a "Medley"...I say play the ENTIRE new album (whatever it is...something like SYW being 18 tunes, I'll even let 'em slide with playing only 12-15 songs from it)...then take a 15-20 minute "intermission", come back and play a set of the "hits & favorites"...switching which tunes of those are played from night to night. Such as:

1st set: 12-15...or all...from Say You Will

2nd set: (not in order...those in italics played every show, the rest are pick & choose...3 each of L & S, 2 of the "others", but no song to be played on consecutive nights)

The Chain
Dreams
Oh Well
I'm So Afraid
Go Your Own Way
Don't Stop
Tusk

Stevie:
Rhiannon
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
Sisters Of The Moon
Stand Back
Planets Of The Universe
Sorcerer
Sara
Gypsy
Seven Wonders

Lindsey:
Blue Letter
Not That Funny
Don't Let Me Down Again
Trouble
Go Insane
Eyes Of The World
Second Hand News
Monday Morning
Never Going Back Again
Big Love

Non-Lindsey/Stevie era tunes:
Green Manalishi
Station Man
Hypnotized
Why

[chiliD]

Yup, but the band has said that they're essentially terrified of playing new songs for audiences, which begs the question of why they even bother making new music.

Word.

If they were afraid of playing new songs in 1975, why join the band? The only way your audience is going to be familiar with new material is to play it.

Their whole "afraid of new songs" EXCUSE is lame...by August of 1977, they were playing all but two songs from Rumours...they'd played quite a bit of Tusk during 1979/80. This whole minimal new songs philosophy pretty much started with the Mirage tour. Then for Tango they'd gotten new blood, so new songs (and ressurrecting OLD songs) were given lots of leeway.

The reason for touring in the first place IS TO PROMOTE YOUR LATEST ALBUM. If it is not a GREATEST HITS album, then playing the hits isn't necessary.

They're supposedly "artists"...be artistic with the concert sets, not a friggin' jukebox.

[amber]

I imagine the saturation of Rumours is hard to get out from under. After it became the most monster album ever, I'm sure they found it harder and harder not to play it. :shrug: FM, FM, was pretty monster, too, mainly Rhiannon, which totally catapulted that band, and Stevie's whole deal - her image, stardom, etc, blah.

[SteveMacD]

1st set: All of Say You Will
That would be interesting, but that may be too much to the other extreme. Maybe a majority of SYW, but ALL would be a lot to take in. There are tunes I would have loved to have heard from SYW: Steal Your Heart Away, Thrown Down, Miranda, and Smile At You, in addition to what was already in the set.

[chiliD]

That would be interesting, but that may be too much to the other extreme. Maybe a majority of SYW, but ALL would be a lot to take in. There are tunes I would have loved to have heard from SYW: Steal Your Heart Away, Thrown Down, Miranda, and Smile At You, in addition to what was already in the set.

As you were posting this, I was revising my post. :)

[strandinthewind]

. . . Non-Lindsey/Stevie era tunes:
Green Manalishi
Station Man
Hypnotized
Why

I would faint AND long for the days when La Nicks was a size zero, sang soprano esq - and danced sensually. Sheebus, I need a cold shower :eek: :laugh:

[Jyqm]

I imagine the saturation of Rumours is hard to get out from under. After it became the most monster album ever, I'm sure they found it harder and harder not to play it.

Why? Nobody was forcing them to play all those songs all the time. Certainly there's always been a very high demand for those songs from fans, but the bottom line is, the band decides what they want to play. They decide whether they want to completely pander to hits-hungry fans or to be a bit more adventurous in their song selections. The excuse that it's somehow "hard" for them not to play the same songs from Rumours all the time just doesn't wash.

And again, there are many other bands out there who released one album that was head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of sales and popularity, but who still manage to mix things up in concert and play the rest of their catalogues and not rest on those laurels for thirty years. Springsteen is again the first artist who comes to mind.

Or, perhaps even more relevant at present: U2. Whatever issues a lot of fans may have with them these days in terms of pomposity and ticket prices and fan club shenanigans, they don't go out there and play 2/3 of The Joshua Tree every night. They play their new songs, they play some hits, and they throw in some more obscure stuff for the longtime diehard fans. And this year they're also apparently mixing up their setlists from night to night more than they have in the recent past. By Fleetwood Mac fan logic, you'd think they'd be playing to empty theaters for being oh-so-daring. But they're selling out huge arenas faster than they can add shows to their schedule.

[trackaghost]

The only difference it with U2 is that they are still having hits. Kids going to see their shows want to hear them play Vertigo and Beautiful Day as much as they want to hear Sunday Bloody Sunday or I Still Having Found What I'm Looking For. Radio still plays the newest tunes from U2 and the Boss whereas they are more likely to play Go Your Own Way than Say You Will.
I'm not saying I wouldn't like the Mac to mix it up a little, because I honestly would - its something we've talked about a lot here on the Ledge, how uninspired the setlist is - but I do know people around me sat down when the the band played songs from SYW (while I cheered obviously) and I also spoke to others who went to the shows purely based on owning the greatest hits or Rumours.

And as for the original question, I don't find it at all odd that people want to see more than one show containing the same setlist etc. I've listened to Gypsy a million times for instance, but I've only had to opportunity of hearing it live and seeing the band in front of me in the flesh performing it, a few times. What's wrong with that?

[amber]

Why? Nobody was forcing them to play all those songs all the time. Certainly there's always been a very high demand for those songs from fans, but the bottom line is, the band decides what they want to play. They decide whether they want to completely pander to hits-hungry fans or to be a bit more adventurous in their song selections. The excuse that it's somehow "hard" for them not to play the same songs from Rumours all the time just doesn't wash.

.
I think they are inclined to play what the fans want to hear. "High demand. from the fans" that is probably important to them. No, they don't have to cater to the fans, but it looks like they wanted to. It washes for me. Not to say I like it, but it still "washes". And I think Rumours is just too overpowering and overshadowing. :shrug: Even compared to other bands' big hits. It really is constantly playing somewhere, still.

[chiliD]

And I think Rumours is just too overpowering and overshadowing.

Which is really a shame, since they've created a whole lot of material that is much better than what was on Rumours...both before AND after.

[SteveMacD]

I think it hilarious that with all their SYW album promotional hype they kept harping that "it is the best material we've ever done", blah, blah, blah...then only play 4 of the 18 songs on the album in concert.

Actually, they played six in the standard set (Peacekeeper, Say You Will, Come, Say Goodbye, What's The World Coming To, and Goodbye Baby). When 1/3 of the new album makes up 25% of the set, I think the band actually did the album justice. That having been said, I think they could still have mixed things up a helluvalot more.

[SteveMacD]

I think they are inclined to play what the fans want to hear. "High demand. from the fans" that is probably important to them. No, they don't have to cater to the fans, but it looks like they wanted to.
Yeah, but is it art?

[amber]

Yeah, but is it art?
it was art. now it's art that you don't want to hear anymore, cause you've heard it billions of times, apparently. Not me, though. I could listen forevah and evah.
Sides, we weren't talking about whether it was art or not, were we? :shrug:

[amber]

Which is really a shame, since they've created a whole lot of material that is much better than what was on Rumours...both before AND after.
It is a shame, but I don't think all the material is much better. I think some is better, some is equal, some is worse. etc. except that most of mirage is worse.... :lol: oh, and the before - i'm sure you're right, but i don't care about BSAL. Sounds fine and good to me (the one album I have) but without Stevie, i'm just not going to listen much. I know you like a lot of the previous work, though. :)

[HomerMcvie]

Selling OUT the arenas (or trying to) is job #1.
Don't kid yourselves. This ain't about art anymore. If it were, they WOULD be taking chances. This is a cash cow. Moo.

[chiliD]

It is a shame, but I don't think all the material is much better.

I didn't say "all", I said "a whole lot".

oh, and the before - i'm sure you're right, but i don't care about BSAL.

If there wasn't a BSAL of Fleetwood Mac, there wouldn't have been a SAL, period.

[amber]

I didn't say "all", I said "a whole lot".
sorry. okay, I don't think a whole lot, either... :D

[chiliD]

sorry. okay, I don't think a whole lot, either... :D

Expand your Fleetwood Mac horizons. You might amaze yourself. :D

[amber]

Expand your Fleetwood Mac horizons. You might amaze yourself. :D
I have, a bit. The whole reason i like Mac is because of Stevie's voice. I am addicted to it. Also, I don't like blues that much. Thanks for the advice - I have one pre LAS album - like i said, it's ok, pretty good, but not my taste. I'm glad you like it, though. Now leave me alone!!!! :mad: :lol:

[desertangel]

I ask not because I think a Fleetwood Mac concert isn't a great show - it is. But on any given tour, it's more or less exactly the same show every time. Doesn't that get boring? I think if I went to two identical shows within such a short span of time, it'd lose quite a bit of the magic.

So, for the folks who go to multiple Mac shows, what's the appeal? What keeps you coming back?

I went to two shows on the SYW tour. There were a few reasons: they were within driving distance (one was a stretch, but doable,) one show was an outdoor venue, I had 3rd row seats for both but one of them I was able to go to the stage for the entire show and play guitar on Go Your Own Way. That made it very worth it.

I went to two TISL shows; one was within driving distance, the other I took a 3 hour flight. Someone scored a front row ticket for me, so I pretty much knew I would get to shake Stevie's hand. That made it very worth it.

Scoring seats in the first few rows is not easy, it takes extra planning, extra energy and in some cases extra money beyond the ticket cost. I probably would not do it again. I had my 15 minutes of front row fame. Lately I've been opting for "nosebleed" seats, mostly in venues where I know there's not a bad seat in the house. No camping in line, no sweating bullets at the last minute, no paying extra money to join clubs and no flood of disappointment afterwards if you don't get the brass ring. It's a lot cheaper and the music sounds just as good, if not better.

Overall, I think I'm pretty much done with multiple shows on the same tour. It IS a lot of money and while the band members are expanding their IRA accounts, mine is not. After shaking STevie's hand and playing Lindsey's guitar, I feel there is not much left after that... unless STevie started throwing pieces of her wardrobe into the audience. :lol:

Laura

PS: Even if they started mixing up the set lists, I'm not sure it would be enough for me to go to mulitple shows. With airfare and hotel, it becomes cost prohibitive for me being 12 years from retirement. As long as there are tapers, I would probably opt for buying an audience shot DVD of whatever shows I wanted.

Laura

[chiliD]

...unless Stevie started throwing pieces of her wardrobe into the audience. :lol:

She's about 25 years too late to start THAT. :D

[SteveMacD]

Also, I don't like blues that much. Thanks for the advice - I have one pre LAS album - like i said, it's ok, pretty good, but not my taste. I'm glad you like it, though. Now leave me alone!!!! :mad: :lol:
Fleetwood Mac stopped being a blues band in 1970. I'm curious as to which album you have. I know many fans of the "Rumours" band also have taken a great liking to "Bare Trees" (which has been described as the white Fleetwood Mac album's twin) and "Mystery To Me." I'd also recommend "Then Play On" (which really inspired Lindsey) and "Kiln House." Personally, I say it's all good. :thumbsup:

[catinthedark]

Reruns are free, though. So I guess I'll modify my original question to why do folks pay money (especially so much money) to see the same show over and over again, since I think the money issue is really what makes in unfathomable to me.

Somebody mentioned seeing a good movie multiple times. At least for me, unless it's a truly amazing film, I don't feel like spending ten bucks a pop to see it multiple times in the theater in the span of a few weeks. I'd rather wait a few months and buy the DVD; pay twice the cost of a movie ticket and get to watch it as many times as I want.

And I think I view concerts in the same way. Even if a Fleetwood Mac show only cost $20, I don't know that I'd go to multiple shows on a single tour. I don't want to pay the same price to see the same thing again.

Then again, I'd rather go see dozens of other artists who aren't necessarily on the radio and who play fresh and exciting shows, than see Stevie sing Dreams for the trillionth time.

And there's the beauty of living in a free country. No one's forcing you to.

We all make our choices - you asked us why - you got our answers. They aren't right or wrong - they just are. Get over it already.

[Jyqm]

And there's the beauty of living in a free country. No one's forcing you to.

We all make our choices - you asked us why - you got our answers. They aren't right or wrong - they just are. Get over it already.

Ahhh, good, I was wondering how long it would take before the good ol' "Get over it" showed up. Always a fitting comment on a discussion board. I think it's my second favorite, actually, losing out only to, "No one's forcing you," which has a truly amazing ability to sneak its way into a discussion in which no one has evened hinted at the idea of being coerced into doing something.

I'll assume that irony's not your strong suit and remind you that no one's forcing you to read this thread, either.

[desertangel]

She's about 25 years too late to start THAT. :D


Heck, I figured it she's gonna become a Vegas act, sooner or later she'll have to, won't she? Elvis did it and I think Liberace did too. Oh wait, you're right... that WAS 25 years and then some ago. But if Lindsey can throw sweaty towels, why can't Stevie throw a few shawls or scarves? I'd pay $100 for a chance to catch one! :blob2: ;)


Laura

[catinthedark]

Ahhh, good, I was wondering how long it would take before the good ol' "Get over it" showed up. Always a fitting comment on a discussion board. I think it's my second favorite, actually, losing out only to, "No one's forcing you," which has a truly amazing ability to sneak its way into a discussion in which no one has evened hinted at the idea of being coerced into doing something.

I'll assume that irony's not your strong suit and remind you that no one's forcing you to read this thread, either.

Actually, my comment had nothing to do with reading the thread. Read it, don't read it. I could care less. I was referring to your admonitions of spending so much to see the same show over and over. I said, no one's forcing you to.

And I'm not surprised you've come to expect the "good ol' 'get over it'." Not surprised at all.

:wavey:

[GardenStateGirlie]

I know i'm jumping in rather late here but it's without a doubt the musical bond of these people for years and years that's kept me wanting more. They're all amazingly talented musicians that fascinate and of course, have the ability to move people (i think we're all included) with their music. I could listen to SYW over and over again but there's nothing like being at an actual concert and hearing the music they've recorded, live. Lindsey Buckingham really blew me away this tour and I enjoyed watching him as much as I enjoyed hearing him.

Aside from the music, I think about all of the incredible people I've met over the years because of this band. When Fleetwood Mac or Stevie tour, it's a chance for us to all get together and have a blast. I traveled to DC twice and Atlanta once during the SYW tour and each time, met up with lots of people from The Ledge and elsewhere. Fleetwood Mac fans are generally great people and I love hanging out with them. Turns out, we have a lot more in common than love and adoration for a band.

Much like each show is different for the artist, each show has been different for me because of the people i've gotten to see the shows with :nod:

[strandinthewind]

I know i'm jumping in rather late here but it's without a doubt the musical bond of these people for years and years that's kept me wanting more. They're all amazingly talented musicians that fascinate and of course, have the ability to move people (i think we're all included) with their music. I could listen to SYW over and over again but there's nothing like being at an actual concert and hearing the music they've recorded, live. Lindsey Buckingham really blew me away this tour and I enjoyed watching him as much as I enjoyed hearing him.

Aside from the music, I think about all of the incredible people I've met over the years because of this band. When Fleetwood Mac or Stevie tour, it's a chance for us to all get together and have a blast. I traveled to DC twice and Atlanta once during the SYW tour and each time, met up with lots of people from The Ledge and elsewhere. Fleetwood Mac fans are generally great people and I love hanging out with them. Turns out, we have a lot more in common than love and adoration for a band.

Much like each show is different for the artist, each show has been different for me because of the people i've gotten to see the shows with :nod:

esp. MOI :xoxo: :D :xoxo: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[GardenStateGirlie]

esp. MOI :xoxo: :D :xoxo: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

You know I love you more than my luggage :xoxo: ;)

[David]

I actually managed to pay less for Fleetwood Mac than for Bowie in 2003/2004 since I was able to get up to Milwaukee for the Mac at Summerfest.Hi, Jyqm! Your question is a good one. A long time ago, I used to see Fleetwood every time, probably because I was young. Today, I'm not, so I don't see the band. They play nearby at Irvine Meadows but I just blow it off. My fanaticism is nothing but embers by now, feeding off its own char & nitrogen; the phalanx of Time & Circumstance have trodden it into the desert sands of a live already lived.

My memories of sultry summer evenings watching the band play outdoors (you couldn't see the stars or the moon because Los Angeles is too smoggy) seem like millennia ago -- not just a different time in my life but a different lifetime altogether. Cold are the Hands of Time, Jyqm, in their relentless, inexorable march across the Face of Life's Fortunes.

[SteveMacD]

Hi, Jyqm! Your question is a good one. A long time ago, I used to see Fleetwood every time, probably because I was young. Today, I'm not, so I don't see the band. They play nearby at Irvine Meadows but I just blow it off. My fanaticism is nothing but embers by now, feeding off its own char & nitrogen; the phalanx of Time & Circumstance have trodden it into the desert sands of a live already lived.

My memories of sultry summer evenings watching the band play outdoors (you couldn't see the stars or the moon because Los Angeles is too smoggy) seem like millennia ago -- not just a different time in my life but a different lifetime altogether. Cold are the Hands of Time, Jyqm, in their relentless, inexorable march across the Face of Life's Fortunes.
In other words, you miss Christine. :thumbsup:

[desertangel]

Hi, Jyqm! Your question is a good one. A long time ago, I used to see Fleetwood every time, probably because I was young. Today, I'm not, so I don't see the band. They play nearby at Irvine Meadows but I just blow it off. My fanaticism is nothing but embers by now, feeding off its own char & nitrogen; the phalanx of Time & Circumstance have trodden it into the desert sands of a live already lived.

My memories of sultry summer evenings watching the band play outdoors (you couldn't see the stars or the moon because Los Angeles is too smoggy) seem like millennia ago -- not just a different time in my life but a different lifetime altogether. Cold are the Hands of Time, Jyqm, in their relentless, inexorable march across the Face of Life's Fortunes.


Good gravy!! Philosophical Waxing... it takes me back. I was born and raised near the Meadows. The Mac does play a LOT down there. If I would have stayed down there, I prolly would be feeling the same way. There was a little club in Costa Mesa where The Cramps, The Bangles, Social Distortion and The Circle Jerks used to play regularly, back when KROQ was first taking off. They used to have Sunday BBQs. I can't remember the name of it, but that was the end of the line for me down there. Shortly thereafter I became a reside of the GNW. Sigh... say hello to the sun for me willya? :wavey:


Laura

[amber]

Hi, Jyqm! Your question is a good one. A long time ago, I used to see Fleetwood every time, probably because I was young. Today, I'm not, so I don't see the band. They play nearby at Irvine Meadows but I just blow it off. My fanaticism is nothing but embers by now, feeding off its own char & nitrogen; the phalanx of Time & Circumstance have trodden it into the desert sands of a live already lived.

My memories of sultry summer evenings watching the band play outdoors (you couldn't see the stars or the moon because Los Angeles is too smoggy) seem like millennia ago -- not just a different time in my life but a different lifetime altogether. Cold are the Hands of Time, Jyqm, in their relentless, inexorable march across the Face of Life's Fortunes.
Could I be more depressed now? :(

[chiliD]

There was a little club in Costa Mesa where The Cramps, The Bangles, Social Distortion and The Circle Jerks used to play regularly, back when KROQ was first taking off.

Ahhh, yes..."The Cuckoo's Nest" on Placentia Ave between 17th & 18th Streets...across the parking lot from Zubie's bar. Lived around the corner from it back in 1980/81. My old roommate actually BOUGHT the house we were renting and he still lives there to this day...and what is really odd, he still has the same phone number! :nod:

[desertangel]

Ahhh, yes..."The Cuckoo's Nest" on Placentia Ave between 17th & 18th Streets...across the parking lot from Zubie's bar. Lived around the corner from it back in 1980/81. My old roommate actually BOUGHT the house we were renting and he still lives there to this day...and what is really odd, he still has the same phone number! :nod:


That's right... Cuckoo's Nest!! That's the same time period I used to go there. It was WILD! Too bad they tore the place down. I lived in the apartments on Sunflower by the South Coast Plaza. Those were fun times. I used to hang out at McConahay's on the other side of SCP when they had KROQ parties. Richard Blade and Rodney Bingenheimer would DJ. They also had parties at Kingdom of the Dancing Stallions in Buena Park and Old World near Huntington Center. Lots of hairspray, black clothing and the smell of clove cigarettes wafting thru the air. Your old roommate must really love it there also. Last time I was at SCP was a hot summer day in '97 (I was in town for HS reunion) - that place was CRAWLING with people.

Thanks for the unintentional stroll down memory lane. :D

Laura

[chiliD]

...the smell of clove cigarettes wafting thru the air.

OMIGOD! Cloves!! :eek: Just READING that, I could smell 'em.