Underrated Albums

[xdreamsunwindx]

So this is a bit of a spinoff of Dissention's thread... Which albums do you find underrated? I'm talking stuff like OSOTM, Heroes Are Hard to Find, the bastard red-headed stepchild that is the second album... etc. Albums you love but they don't get the love they deserve, or hated albums you love. Including but not limited to Fleetwood Mac.

Here's some of mine -

Blondie - Plastic Letters
U2 - October
The Pretenders - Viva El Amor
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Peepshow (any SATB, really)
No Doubt - The Beacon Street Collection
Garbage - BeautifulGarbage
Stevie - OSOTM
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - You're Gonna Get It!
FM - Mirage

Just out of boredom. We have no work to do today in school, and yet they make us come in. Wtf.

[dissention]

Telling Stories- Tracy Chapman
No Exit- Blondie
Heathen- David Bowie
Foreign Affair- Tina Turner
Nancy Sinatra- Nancy Sinatra
Stevie- Other Side of the Mirror
Alfie soundtrack- Mick Jagger and Dave Stewart
Medusa- Annie Lennox
No Frills- Bette Midler

[ryan8472]

U2 - October

I totally agree. Might as well stick Boy in there too. :nod:

Talking Heads - Little Creatures
Led Zeppelin - In Through The Out Door (everyone always says how it wasn't as good as the earlier ones...I think it's just as good or better :shrug: )
Fleetwood Mac - Tusk (Of course :p )
Pink Floyd - Animals (For some reason, never really gets the attention that WYWH, DSOTM and The Wall get)

[trackaghost]

This one:

Into Light (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001K2KQQ/qid=1112111276/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-8641222-3869231)

And this one:

On Discovering Fire (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QIUY/qid=1112111368/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_8_1/026-8641222-3869231)

Both exceptional albums that I recommend you all buy now.

[hayley]

Is Heathen underrated? If it is, it shouldn't be. It's one of his best.

U2- Zooropa
Beatles- Let It Be
Bruce Springsteen- Tunnel of Love & Human Touch
Jeff Buckley- Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk
Marilyn Manson- Mechanical Animals
MC5- Back in the USA
Morrissey- Your Arsenal
Nine Inch Nails- The Fragile
Patti Scialfa- 23rd Street Lullaby & Rumble Doll

[Miss Vicky]

The Pretenders - Viva El Amor
Stevie - OSOTM
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - You're Gonna Get It!
FM - Mirage



When it comes to music, I don't really think along the lines of underrated albums - I usually think in terms of underrated artists, so this thread is a bit difficult for me. It would take a great deal of thought to come up with a list of my own.

Of those you've mentioned-
As much as I love the Pretenders, I wasn't particularly impressed with "Viva El Amor" none of the tracks really stood out to me and I didn't find the album particularly memorable.
"Other Side of the Mirror" - I am of the not so popular opinion that Stevie's solo career started great and then went progressively downhill with each new album. This one, being the fourth solo release, is no exception.
"You're Gonna Get It" - I suppose this one is a little underrated and tends to get lost in the shadow of the album that followed it, "Damn the Torpedoes," but when I think of underrated Petty, I usually think "Let Me Up (I've Had Enough)" - which tends to be ignored because it is stylistically very different from anything else Petty has done.
"Mirage" - I'm sorry but I really can't stand this album. It's reheated Rumours but without the magic. Don't get me wrong, I like "Gypsy," "Hold Me" and some of the others, but as a whole I just don't like it.

[trackaghost]

Beatles- Let It Be


That's actually my favourite Beatles album.

[hayley]

That's actually my favourite Beatles album.

Mine too! A lot of it is sentimental, for me. I remember my dad picking me up and dancing with me to Let It Be when I was a kid, and my grandma used to do this great, hilarious dance whenever "Get Back" would come on- her name was Loretta, and she loved bopping around whenever they'd sing "Get back, Loretta!"

It's a great album.

[trackaghost]

Mine too! A lot of it is sentimental, for me. I remember my dad picking me up and dancing with me to Let It Be when I was a kid, and my grandma used to do this great, hilarious dance whenever "Get Back" would come on- her name was Loretta, and she loved bopping around whenever they'd sing "Get back, Loretta!"

It's a great album.


Definitely :nod: I remember loving it as a kid too.

It's not too many people's favourite Beatles album, so I was pleased when you mentioned it.

[dissention]

Is Heathen underrated? If it is, it shouldn't be. It's one of his best.

Yeah, at least in Bowie circles. I don't understand the dislike for it one bit, it truly is one of his best albums. It doesn't get much better than Sunday and Heathen (The Rays) in terms of Bowie.

[DeadliestPoison]

Blondie - Autoamerican, the Hunter (both are always ignored in favor of friggin Parallel Lines)
Stevie - OSOTM
Siouxsie & Co - Peepshow dopa[soda <3
Poe - Hello (everyone always looks over it in favor of Haunted, but Hello's awesome in it's own right)

[hayley]

Yeah, at least in Bowie circles. I don't understand the dislike for it one bit, it truly is one of his best albums. It doesn't get much better than Sunday and Heathen (The Rays) in terms of Bowie.

I'm such a fan of his cover of "Cactus." It's teh sex. RIGHT, GREG? :)

"Slow Burn," "Slip-Away," "Sunday," and "Cactus" are my favorites.

[DeadliestPoison]

I'm such a fan of his cover of "Cactus." It's teh sex. RIGHT, GREG? :)
That would be correct, Hayley.

*continues making love to your mix CDs*

[hayley]

That would be correct, Hayley.

*continues making love to your mix CDs*

Oh HO OHOHOH, don't stop. Don't ever stop.

Oh, and let's add Rock A Little to my list. Because I lurve it.

[trackaghost]

I'm such a fan of his cover of "Cactus." It's teh sex. RIGHT, GREG? :)

"Slow Burn," "Slip-Away," "Sunday," and "Cactus" are my favorites.

Well the Pixies rawk! So cool Bowie covered that song.

Heathen wasn't underrated here in the UK. It was even nominated for the Mercury Music award in 2002.
He was beaten by Ms Dynamite that year I think.

[wondergirl9847]

Hunting High and Low - A-Ha (Take On Me is a great tune, but that entire album is greatness!!)

Nouveaux - Beginnings (Terrific Christian rock album..one of my faves)


Rumours - Fleetwood Mac (dayum, they just can't catch a break, huh?)

Buckingham Nicks - Buckingham Nicks (whatever happened to those two?)

:lol:

[DeadliestPoison]

Oh, and let's add Rock A Little to my list. Because I lurve it.
pd[a]sfoa]s[d RAL <3<3<3

*whisks Hayley away for a week of HOT LURVE* Age ain't nothing but a number!!

[hayley]

pd[a]sfoa]s[d RAL <3<3<3

*whisks Hayley away for a week of HOT LURVE* Age ain't nothing but a number!!

Even in my old age, I still have skin like a baby's ass. And don't you forget it.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Rumours - Fleetwood Mac (dayum, they just can't catch a break, huh?)


Yeah. Too bad they don't perform any of the songs from the album live.

[wondergirl9847]

I would KILL to hear Dreams live...KILL I SAY!!

[ontheEdgeof17]

I would KILL to hear Dreams live...KILL I SAY!!


For real! I bet Stevie could really pull off that airy voice she has on that track these days.

How about The Chain? It would make a great opener.

[dissention]

Well the Pixies rawk! So cool Bowie covered that song.

Heathen wasn't underrated here in the UK. It was even nominated for the Mercury Music award in 2002.
He was beaten by Ms Dynamite that year I think.

He desperately needed a good album after the monstrosity that is the Hours... album. :laugh:

[trackaghost]

He desperately needed a good album after the monstrosity that is the Hours... album. :laugh:

You know I actually really like the Hours album. I totally love the track Thursday's Child and Seven and Survive are pretty good too.
The one I've never liked is Earthling. I just didn't get Bowie doing the jungle/dance thing. I like I'm Afraid Of Americans (great lyrics) but the rest I can't take to.
The only other Bowie albums to get a thumbs down from me are Tonight (apart from Blue Jean and Loving The Alien) and Never Let Me Down (no redeeming tracks at all!).

I do love Bowie though, I even like the first Tin Machine album!

[dissention]

You know I actually really like the Hours album. I totally love the track Thursday's Child and Seven and Survive are pretty good too.
The one I've never liked is Earthling. I just didn't get Bowie doing the jungle/dance thing. I like I'm Afraid Of Americans (great lyrics) but the rest I can't take to.
The only other Bowie albums to get a thumbs down from me are Tonight (apart from Blue Jean and Loving The Alien) and Never Let Me Down (no redeeming tracks at all!).

I do love Bowie though, I even like the first Tin Machine album!

Hours, Tonight, and Never Let Me Down are the only ones I do not and can not listen to. I rushed out to get Hours the day it was released and practically cried when I listened to it. I just find it...dull. It's so uninteresting and middle of the road adult contemporary crap, I never would have expected anything quite like it. I'm glad he scrapped the Toy album, lawd knows what it must have sounded like. :shocked:

I like Earthling quite a bit, but I also like Black Tie White Noise, so...:laugh:

[John Run]

U2 The Unforgettable Fire
John Mellencamp Human Wheels
Bruce Springsteen Tunnel of Love
Alanis Morrisette Under Rug Swept
Van Morrison Days Like This
Tori Amos A Sorta Fairy Tale
Rodney Crowell Fate's Right Hand

[gldstwmn]

So this is a bit of a spinoff of Dissention's thread... Which albums do you find underrated?

The Smiths-Louder Than Bombs.

[hayley]

John Mellencamp Human Wheels
Rodney Crowell Fate's Right Hand

I'm WORD'ing you on those two!

[trackaghost]

Hours, Tonight, and Never Let Me Down are the only ones I do not and can not listen to. I rushed out to get Hours the day it was released and practically cried when I listened to it. I just find it...dull. It's so uninteresting and middle of the road adult contemporary crap, I never would have expected anything quite like it. I'm glad he scrapped the Toy album, lawd knows what it must have sounded like. :shocked:

I like Earthling quite a bit, but I also like Black Tie White Noise, so...:laugh:


I like Black Tie White Noise. I remember when it came out, it was like phew, he can still make good music! Jump They Say is awesome.

I think you should give Hours another go, or at least Thursday's Child. It really is a grower believe me. :nod:

[hayley]

I like Black Tie White Noise. I remember when it came out, it was like phew, he can still make good music! Jump They Say is awesome.

I think you should give Hours another go, or at least Thursday's Child. It really is a grower believe me. :nod:

I love Hours too and am iffy on Earthling. "Thursday's Child" is one of my favorite Bowie songs.

[John Run]

I'm WORD'ing you on those two!

A lot of Mellencamp's later stuff is overlooked. The self-titled album of a few years ago is very good.

[hayley]

A lot of Mellencamp's later stuff is overlooked. The self-titled album of a few years ago is very good.

I was actually meaning to include it on my initial list! I love "Your Life Is Now" and "Eden Is Burning" especially. Some of the albums I only like certain songs off of, but they're still good. I really like the Rough Harvest album, too.

[trackaghost]

Me too Hayley! The video for Thursday's Child is great as well.

I think Josh just needs to give it a chance and he'd love it as much as us.

Go listen to it now Josh!!!!

[dissention]

Me too Hayley! The video for Thursday's Child is great as well.

I think Josh just needs to give it a chance and he'd love it as much as us.

Go listen to it now Josh!!!!

I've tried, dammit. :laugh:

I probably will give it a spin tonight, though. I'll give it a shot. :p

[DrummerDeanna]

Ooh! I thought of one...

Julian Lennon - Photograph Smile...I LOVE this album...

[amber]

Michelle N. - Peace Beyond Passion - I love this album

[CreepingDeath]

Pink Floyd- Animals
Pink Floyd- The Division Bell
The Cult- Beyond Good and Evil
Black Sabbath- Heaven & Hell
Black Sabbath- Mob Rules
Aerosmith- Draw The Line
U2- October
Anthrax- Volume 8: The Threat is Real
Anthrax- Persistence of Time
Led Zeppelin- In Through the Out Door
Alice Cooper- Brutal Planet
Bruce Dickinson- Accident of Birth
Possessed- Seven Churches
Amon Amarth- Versus the World
Stevie Nicks- OSOTM
Stevie Nicks- Rock a Little

[madformac]

The Division Bell - Pink Floyd
Sailing To Philadelphia - Mark Knopfler
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason - Pink Floyd
Definitely Maybe - Oasis
Dancing Down The Stony Road - Chris Rea
This Is Where I Came In - The Bee Gees
Pilgrim - Eric Clapton
A Funk Oydessy - Jamiroquai
Sing When You're Winning - Robbie Williams
Waiting For My Rocket to Come - Jason Mraz

[TheBlueLamp]

American Life - Madonna
Erotica - Madonna
The Dreaming - Kate Bush
The Hunter - Blondie
Eat To The Beat - Blondie

[skcin]

Hole - Live Through This
Hole - Celebrity Skin
Fiona Apple - When the Pawn...
Skid Row - Slave to the Grind
FM - Tusk
Stevie - RAL
Nirvana - Incesticide (so much better than Nevermind)

[dissention]

Hole - Celebrity Skin

How weird, I just popped that in and was about to post it in this thread!

It's a great album, I love it. I've had Malibu on repeat for, like, twenty minutes. :laugh:

[skcin]

How weird, I just popped that in and was about to post it in this thread!

It's a great album, I love it. I've had Malibu on repeat for, like, twenty minutes. :laugh:

Your post on the listening thread made me think of it. :laugh: I like Hole a lot - always have.

"And I knew, that love could tear you apart, and I knew, the darkest secrets of your heart..." I'm gonna have to pop that one in later. :nod:

[TheBlueLamp]

I'd add Courtney's America's Sweetheart. That album has some truly amazing songs

Nick

[NaiveMelody23]

I am a little late, but mine are:

Fear of Music- Talking Heads(remain in light gets all the credit)
Berlin Trilogy(Lodger, Low, Heroes)- David Bowie
From A Choirgirl Hotel- Tori Amos
Either/Or- Elliot Smith
Doolittles- Pixies

[all the same]

Yeah, at least in Bowie circles. I don't understand the dislike for it one bit, it truly is one of his best albums. It doesn't get much better than Sunday and Heathen (The Rays) in terms of Bowie.

A lot of Pixies/Bowie fans don't like this album because of the two (or are there three?) Pixies covers. I'm not a Pixies fan (there, I said it!). So, I really liked his versions and truth be told, didn't even know that there were any Pixies covers on it at all! Heathen is a great record. The man gets better and better with every release, although, I have to say I didn't like his last one, Reality too much.

[all the same]

The Dreaming - Kate Bush


Phenomenal record! Kate Bush levels me!

[dissention]

A lot of Pixies/Bowie fans don't like this album because of the two (or are there three?) Pixies covers. I'm not a Pixies fan (there, I said it!). So, I really liked his versions and truth be told, didn't even know that there were any Pixies covers on it at all! Heathen is a great record. The man gets better and better with every release, although, I have to say I didn't like his last one, Reality too much.

There's only the one Pixies cover, Cactus. The other covers are Gemini and I've Been Waiting For You (Neil Young song, surprisingly). Love that album. :nod:

I like Reality a lot, too. The only songs I'm not keen on are The Loneliest Guy and Pablo Picasso. I really like Bring Me the Disco King, but he needs to learn that less is more; it's too ****ing long and made for a boring song live. My favorites are Reality, Fall Dog Bombs the Moon, and New Killer Star (*love* the "Jesus on Dateline" line).

[all the same]

Some of the albums that you guys are posting are surprising to me. A lot of them aren't underrated at all. U2? Seriously? Do they have a single underrated record? I have no time for U2 but almost everyone else on the planet thinks they're still brilliant. I think after Zooropa, they fell apart. A lot of people thought Zooropa stunk, but I liked it.

My underrated albums are:
Sarah Slean- Day One
Jane Siberry - Maria
Those are the only two I have disagreed with the critics on

Overrated albums are :
Morrissey - You Are the Quarry (critics loved this one. I think it's a good album but half of it is skip-worthy)
Radiohead - everything after Kid A. I think they have been stuck in a routine since Kid A. Their music has lost its magic in my mind
Bjork - Medula. I was really excited about the release of this record, but it was such a let down for me. The critics were peeing themselves over it but I find it a very difficult album to listen to.

That's all I got right now.

[dissention]

Bjork - Medula. I was really excited about the release of this record, but it was such a let down for me. The critics were peeing themselves over it but I find it a very difficult album to listen to.

Oy, talk about awful. I sold that one back to a used music shop. No thanks.

[NaiveMelody23]

To Be Honest, I beleive Bowies worst album was Space oddity..I really dont go for the whole Mammas and Poppas thing.

Plus why the albums from Outside to Relaity, really is udneratted is because, Bowie messed up when he did his lovely Tin Machine movement which I guess lsot his fans, but Never Let me Down and Black Tie White Nose..sort of let younger fans leave. Its sad becuase he seems to be coming back with bigger and better stuff. If he does a new album, i hope it is oriented like Low or Lodgher was. Who knows.

[wondergirl9847]

Supernatural - DC Talk
Jesus Freak - DC Talk

i2eye - Michael W. Smith

Unguarded - Amy Grant

Angels of Mercy - Susan Ashton

These albums are HUGE in the Christian music arena, but probably not known outside of that, unfortunately.

[hayley]

I like Reality a lot, too. The only songs I'm not keen on are The Loneliest Guy and Pablo Picasso. I really like Bring Me the Disco King, but he needs to learn that less is more; it's too ****ing long and made for a boring song live. My favorites are Reality, Fall Dog Bombs the Moon, and New Killer Star (*love* the "Jesus on Dateline" line).

I love Reality. I think it's an awesome record. I like Pablo Picasso, but I love the Modern Lovers so I was thrilled when I heard he was doing it. My favorites are New Killer Star and She'll Drive the Big Car. I LOVE that song.

As for other choices for underrated albums, Is Elliott Smith's either/or considered underrated? I've always considered it his best album, by far. I spent high school being so emo to that record before people were emo.

I also like Morrissey's You Are The Quarry quite a bit. It's uneven, but most of his records are. First of the Gang to Die, Irish Blood English Heart, and Let Me Kiss You are great, great songs. I've been listening to the new Live at Earl's Court CD on repeat for the last week. I've wanted Morrissey to be my boyfriend since I was like ten.

[estranged4life]

to at this moment is very underrated:

Saigon Kick-Saigon Kick

A great album all these years later :nod:

[all the same]

I love Reality. I think it's an awesome record. I like Pablo Picasso, but I love the Modern Lovers so I was thrilled when I heard he was doing it. My favorites are New Killer Star and She'll Drive the Big Car. I LOVE that song.

As for other choices for underrated albums, Is Elliott Smith's either/or considered underrated? I've always considered it his best album, by far. I spent high school being so emo to that record before people were emo.

I also like Morrissey's You Are The Quarry quite a bit. It's uneven, but most of his records are. First of the Gang to Die, Irish Blood English Heart, and Let Me Kiss You are great, great songs. I've been listening to the new Live at Earl's Court CD on repeat for the last week. I've wanted Morrissey to be my boyfriend since I was like ten.

I hate to say it, but Elliott Smith is way too ugly for me to like him. I sound like a total dick, I know, but seriously, look at the man!

The Morrissey album. I know. Some songs are amazing. But a song like All the Lazy Dykes and that crappy Take me back to Camden (is that the title?). Barf!!! The good songs are ridiculously good though. And the new Live At Earls Court is so so good! When he played in Toronto, we went back stage and met all the band. It's cool to see them all in the sleeve of the album. They're super nice guys. Didn't meet Morrissey, but I gripped his hand tight from the front of the stage. Didn't get up to hug him. Lots of people did.

I better give Reality another listen. It didn't move me but you guys obviously think it's really good. So, I'll give it another shot.

[amber]

I hate to say it, but Elliott Smith is way too ugly for me to like him. I sound like a total dick, I know, but seriously, look at the man!

Not to interrupt, but I often don't watch things because of the very same reason. Ugly ugliness. :shrug:

[trackaghost]

I hate to say it, but Elliott Smith is way too ugly for me to like him. I sound like a total dick, I know, but seriously, look at the man!




Sorry you do sound like a total dick. What difference does that make when listening to the music? The music itself is beautiful.
Plus he's dead now so he shouldn't offend you with his ugliness any more.
Seriously though what an idiotic comment.

[skcin]

to at this moment is very underrated:

Saigon Kick-Saigon Kick

A great album all these years later :nod:

What was their ballad? It was one of the best "hair band" tunes & I never hear it anymore.

[hayley]

Sorry you do sound like a total dick. What difference does that make when listening to the music? The music itself is beautiful.
Plus he's dead now so he shouldn't offend you with his ugliness any more.
Seriously though what an idiotic comment.
Agreed.

He was one of the greatest, if not the greatest songwriter of his generation. I'm so glad he stabbed himself in the chest so that you don't have to see him anymore.

I think you should post your picture so that we can all evaluate whether or not we should bother paying attention to any of your posts.

[estranged4life]

What was their ballad? It was one of the best "hair band" tunes & I never hear it anymore.

album ("The Lizard") their hit was the ballad "Love Is On the Way"...But the self-titled disc absolutely smokes that release and 99.9% of the releases from the period when "hair metal" ruled!

Bad thing is that Saigon Kick was wrongly called "hair metal", When their debut disc is a combination of David Bowie type lead vocals, The Beatles backing vocals/instrumentation & a heavy rock/alternative vibe :nod:

Just find their debut and if you dont like the second track "What You Say" you may need a brain transplant cause yer brain has gone "buh-bye!" :lol:

[all the same]

Agreed.

He was one of the greatest, if not the greatest songwriter of his generation. I'm so glad he stabbed himself in the chest so that you don't have to see him anymore.

I think you should post your picture so that we can all evaluate whether or not we should bother paying attention to any of your posts.

Oh no! Such hostility! It's not only his unattractiveness that I disliked about him. I found the songs that I heard of his to be a little boring. One of my friends loved him and lent me a record. I wasn't moved. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. The comment definitely had a tone of humour to it. I guess that doesn't come through when it's typed. Oh and by the way, I'm glad he stabbed himself in the chest too! JUST KIDDING!!! Maybe this guy will help to carry the message ------> :lol:

[all the same]

Oh, and also, I'm hideously deformed. So, you might not want to read my posts. Amber and I both have serious birth defects! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

I love Reality. I think it's an awesome record. I like Pablo Picasso, but I love the Modern Lovers so I was thrilled when I heard he was doing it. My favorites are New Killer Star and She'll Drive the Big Car. I LOVE that song.

Have you heard Queen of All the Tarts? I couldn't believe he left that one off of Reality, it would have sounded perfect nestled between New Killer Star and Pablo Picasso. Just like I was shocked that he left Conversation Piece off of Heathen.

Pablo Picasso is great live, but it doesn't excite me on the record. Not a bad song by any means, though.

[dissention]

To Be Honest, I beleive Bowies worst album was Space oddity..I really dont go for the whole Mammas and Poppas thing.

I'm not a huge fan of Space Oddity, but it's nowhere near the awfulness of Tonight, Never Let Me Down, and Hours. Those are the only albums that I simply cannot stand. Everything else is listenable. :laugh:

Plus why the albums from Outside to Relaity, really is udneratted is because, Bowie messed up when he did his lovely Tin Machine movement which I guess lsot his fans, but Never Let me Down and Black Tie White Nose..sort of let younger fans leave. Its sad becuase he seems to be coming back with bigger and better stuff. If he does a new album, i hope it is oriented like Low or Lodgher was. Who knows.

I quite like a lot of the Tin Machine material and I *love* Black Tie White Noise. They reissued BTWN about a year ago as a boxed set with the album, a disc of rarities (that weren't all that rare, unfortunately), and the makin-of doc on DVD. Gave me a new appreciation for it. Never Let Me Down was good vocally because he stretched his voice instead of using that low baritone all the time, but gawd, what an atrocious album. :laugh: I can't wait for a new album. I do wish the tracks from Toy would surface, though.

[chiliD]

Fleetwood Mac:
all pre-1975 albums
Time
All non-Rumours era members' solo albums

Eric Clapton:
461 Ocean Blvd
Money & Cigarettes
Behind The Sun
August

Badfinger:
all of 'em

I quite like a lot of the Tin Machine material...

Ok, trivia time...what's the link (or "degrees of separation") between Tin Machine & Fleetwood Mac?

[trackaghost]

Oh no! Such hostility! It's not only his unattractiveness that I disliked about him. I found the songs that I heard of his to be a little boring. One of my friends loved him and lent me a record. I wasn't moved. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. The comment definitely had a tone of humour to it. I guess that doesn't come through when it's typed. Oh and by the way, I'm glad he stabbed himself in the chest too! JUST KIDDING!!! Maybe this guy will help to carry the message ------> :lol:


I don't care if it was said in jest or not, it's still a extremely stupid comment.

[amber]

I don't care if it was said in jest or not, it's still a extremely stupid comment.
I thought it was funny. Not the stabbing part, the ugly part. But i don't know anything about who you are talking about, so that's probably why I didn't care. But, it's not the first time someone has called a singer/actor/whoever ugly on the ledge... :shrug:

[trackaghost]

I thought it was funny. Not the stabbing part, the ugly part. But i don't know anything about who you are talking about, so that's probably why I didn't care.

To each their own I guess.
I still think it's an outrageous statement and he did in fact mean it.

[amber]

To each their own I guess.
I still think it's an outrageous statement and he did in fact mean it.
To call him ugly?

[dissention]

To call him ugly?

No, to initially belittle the mans talent because he was "ugly." :shrug:

[amber]

No, to initially belittle the mans talent because he was "ugly." :shrug:
mkay. .......seems like I see stuff like that all the time, here. perhaps not.

[trackaghost]

No, to initially belittle the mans talent because he was "ugly." :shrug:

Exactly. It's like saying, I don't care for Stephen King's books because he's not nice on the eye. What difference does it make? It's not like he's an actor.
And he did mean it, because he later clarified his statement by saying that it was not only that he was ugly but also that he was boring.
Anyway, whatever, I'm out of this argument now.

[Neal]

Stevie Nicks - The Other Side of the Mirror

Duran Duran - Medazzaland

Madonna - Bedtime Stories

Erasure - Cowboy

Depeche Mode - Ultra

Kylie Minogue - Impossible Princess

Collective Soul - Disciplined Breakdown

Pat Benatar - Seven The Hard Way

[NaiveMelody23]

I wouldnt call Elliot Smith ugly, but everyone has their opinion. I want to be a singer/songwriter, but i really dont need people looking at my looks, cause then i wont have any fans lol. Either way, he was a good artist.

[all the same]

Funny that a little statement about someone being ugly can start something. So, if I say I'll tapdance on the Pope's grave when he dies, are you going to flip out too? I AM TOTALLY KIDDING ABOUT THAT BY THE WAY. I was raised catholic, and though I hate all the Catholic church stands for, I still think it is very sad that he is dying. It's sad to see anyone deteriorate like that. The whole Schaivo fiasco nearly killed me. It was so sad, though she was in all probability unaware of what was happening to her, knowing what she was going through.

I have this sort of thing with musicians. I have to be somewhat attracted to them to really appreciate them to their fullest. I know it's a shallow outlook, but I is what I is. I'll give you that Elliott Smith was talented. I can see that. I don't dig what he did. And I hate to break it to you, but physical beauty seems to matter in the world whether we like it or not. People want to see beautiful people like this guy ------> :cool:

[hayley]

Elliott was one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, and his death is a loss to the world. Period. He struggled with an enormous amount of issues- and he's gone now, and it's terribly, terribly sad for people like me who are gigantic fans of his work. You certainly have a right to your opinion- I just think it's a stupid and callous one, especially in light of the fact that he's no longer here.

And it's unfortunate that you earlier intimated that your opinion of his talent is based solely on what he looked like. That's so, so, so shallow. And as much as people bitch about the current state of the music business today, it's statements like that- I can't appreciate their talent or enjoy their music because they're UGLY- that perpetuates the commercial availability of image over talent. So pat yourself on the back for that one.

I'm gonna bust out the Elliott banner I was rocking several months ago, so I hope everyone can stomach looking at considering how ugly he is.

[all the same]

Elliott was one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, and his death is a loss to the world. Period. He struggled with an enormous amount of issues- and he's gone now, and it's terribly, terribly sad for people like me who are gigantic fans of his work. You certainly have a right to your opinion- I just think it's a stupid and callous one, especially in light of the fact that he's no longer here.

And it's unfortunate that you earlier intimated that your opinion of his talent is based solely on what he looked like. That's so, so, so shallow. And as much as people bitch about the current state of the music business today, it's statements like that- I can't appreciate their talent or enjoy their music because they're UGLY- that perpetuates the commercial availability of image over talent. So pat yourself on the back for that one.

I'm gonna bust out the Elliott banner I was rocking several months ago, so I hope everyone can stomach looking at considering how ugly he is.

Fair enough. I just think some of you guys need to understand my sense of humour a bit better. It's dry. It's cynical. It's sarcastic. Seriously, calm down! This is really not that big of a deal!

[amber]

Fair enough. I just think some of you guys need to understand my sense of humour a bit better. It's dry. It's cynical. It's sarcastic. Seriously, calm down! This is really not that big of a deal!
Just remember not to make fun of anyone if:
A) They are dead
B) Someone else, anywhere, thinks they are good
C) Never, ever, say anyone is ugly
:thumbsup:
got it? ;)

[xdreamsunwindx]

Fair enough. I just think some of you guys need to understand my sense of humour a bit better. It's dry. It's cynical. It's sarcastic. Seriously, calm down! This is really not that big of a deal!

Oh wow. I wouldn't have realized you were funny if you didn't tell us. Thanks for the helpful reminder! :wavey:

[amber]

Oh wow. I wouldn't have realized you were funny if you didn't tell us. Thanks for the helpful reminder! :wavey:
I got it. Maybe it's just one of those emoticon things. ;)

[all the same]

Just remember not to make fun of anyone if:
A) They are dead
B) Someone else, anywhere, thinks they are good
C) Never, ever, say anyone is ugly
:thumbsup:
got it? ;)

Got it! What about fat people? Oh god! The flood gates have opened again I'm sure! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[xdreamsunwindx]

I got it. Maybe it's just one of those emoticon things. ;)

Yeah. I forgot people needed lame 1x1 pixel buttons to realize the humor in things.

[amber]

Got it! What about fat people? Oh god! The flood gates have opened again I'm sure! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, I don't think it's very funny to make fun of fat people, in fact i'm against it, so... :shrug: Others have done it, but I would put it on the "watch list" if I were you, lest you incure my awesome wrath!!!!! :mad: :) YOu just never know. I guess it's best to be really nice, all the time. *sigh*.

[DeadliestPoison]

I got it. Maybe it's just one of those emoticon things. ;)
Ah, but emoticons do not a funny post make. Unless they're used ironically. Which is the only apropos use for the bouncing smileys, etc.

This goes the same for typing ~*!like so... with the whynd thru ur ha1r...!*~.

[all the same]

Oh wow. I wouldn't have realized you were funny if you didn't tell us. Thanks for the helpful reminder! :wavey:

what? what is going on? why this incredible hostility? :shrug: i didn't realize i was so offensive to you people? hmmm... :mad:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Ah, but emoticons do not a funny post make. Unless they're used ironically. Which is the only apropos use for the bouncing smileys, etc.

This goes the same for typing ~*!like so... with the whynd thru ur ha1r...!*~.

LE SWOOOOOOON.

Greg. Let's get married. <3333

[amber]

Yeah. I forgot people needed lame 1x1 pixel buttons to realize the humor in things.
Or maybe some things just aren't funny to some people, but they are funny to others. It's all very confusing, I'm sure. emoticons, none, some mean things are funny, some aren't. It's like a riddle, wrapped in a fajita, surrounded by mushroom sauce.... :shrug: (oops! I used a "lame" emoticon! damn me to hell!)

[DeadliestPoison]

Got it! What about fat people? Oh god! The flood gates have opened again I'm sure! :lol: :lol: :lol:
...... No.

[xdreamsunwindx]

what? what is going on? why this incredible hostility? :shrug: i didn't realize i was so offensive to you people? hmmm... :mad:

Oh, no, I meant what I said. I was trying to thank you for making me realize it was funny to disrespect people because of their looks. That is funny. That's piss-worthy laughter, there! Almost as funny as Jeff Foxworthy!

[DeadliestPoison]

Or maybe some things just aren't funny to some people, but they are funny to others. It's all very confusing, I'm sure. emoticons, none, some mean things are funny, some aren't. It's like a riddle, wrapped in a fajita, surrounded by mushroom sauce.... :shrug: (oops! I used a "lame" emoticon! damn me to hell!)
Owww. The rampant abuse of sarcasm. -_-

[amber]

what? what is going on? why this incredible hostility? :shrug: i didn't realize i was so offensive to you people? hmmm... :mad:
Don't worry, again, some people only think a few people are funny. And you might have to talk in just the right way. But even if you do, it might not matter, cause those people are only nice to people who are already their friends anyway. It's very confusing, and you're bound to offend someone, sometime, no matter what, so just let it slide right on by, like a big turd, I would say. :)

[all the same]

Or maybe some things just aren't funny to some people, but they are funny to others. It's all very confusing, I'm sure. emoticons, none, some mean things are funny, some aren't. It's like a riddle, wrapped in a fajita, surrounded by mushroom sauce.... :shrug: (oops! I used a "lame" emoticon! damn me to hell!)

I can't think about mushrooms the same way since that whole mushroom soup thing. BARFFFF!!!

[amber]

Owww. The rampant abuse of sarcasm. -_-
that wasn't sarcastic. :confused: sorry if my emoticon confused you. Or maybe I picked the wrong one?

[amber]

Oh, no, I meant what I said. I was trying to thank you for making me realize it was funny to disrespect people because of their looks. That is funny. That's piss-worthy laughter, there! Almost as funny as Jeff Foxworthy!
People do it alllll the time on here. No, that doesn't make it right, but i've never heard you speak up about it, before.

[all the same]

Oh, no, I meant what I said. I was trying to thank you for making me realize it was funny to disrespect people because of their looks. That is funny. That's piss-worthy laughter, there! Almost as funny as Jeff Foxworthy!

Jeff Foxworthy. Yes. :shrug:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Don't worry, again, some people only think a few people are funny. And you might have to talk in just the right way. But even if you do, it might not matter, cause those people are only nice to people who are already their friends anyway. It's very confusing, and you're bound to offend someone, sometime, no matter what, so just let it slide right on by, like a big turd, I would say. :)

Yeah. Some people are only nice to their friends because everyone else is just ****ing annoying and not funny at all. But hey, to each their own.

[hayley]

Jeff Foxworthy. Yes. :shrug:

Wait, you mean Kate's sarcasm isn't as crystal clear as yours was??

[DeadliestPoison]

that wasn't sarcastic. :confused: sorry if my emoticon confused you. Or maybe I picked the wrong one?
It was clearly sarcasm.

You:
Maybe it's just one of those emoticon things. ;)
Kate, re: your post:
Yeah. I forgot people needed lame 1x1 pixel buttons to realize the humor in things.
You, re: Daniel's post, clearly referring to Kate's:
:shrug: (oops! I used a "lame" emoticon! damn me to hell!)

Emoticons don't confuse me. I'm not dazzled by annoying, bright bouncy things. Sorry.

[amber]

Yeah. Some people are only nice to their friends because everyone else is just ****ing annoying and not funny at all. But hey, to each their own.
Guess so. Thanks for gracing us with your presence?

[chiliD]

C) Never, ever, say anyone is ugly


Not even Yoko? :lol: :eek: :sorry:


Just kidding, of course. Just reliving some old Beatle mythology.

[amber]

It was clearly sarcasm.

You:

Kate, re: your post:

You, re: Daniel's post, clearly referring to Kate's:


Emoticons don't confuse me. I'm not dazzled by annoying, bright bouncy things. Sorry.
It was not sarcasm. I should know. I wrote it. I was actually saying that some people think some things are funny, others don't, and you can never tell when you might offend someone. Which is true. Case in point - Daniel offended some people, but not me, by saying that guy was ugly. See?

[xdreamsunwindx]

Guess so. Thanks for gracing us with your presence?

Any time, sweets. I figured since my bright, sunshiney personality just lights up a room, my presence here would be much appreciated, since y'all like bright stuff so much.

:blob2:

Hey look! A bouncing thing! That's funny!

[DeadliestPoison]

Any time, sweets. I figured since my bright, sunshiney personality just lights up a room, my presence here would be much appreciated, since y'all like bright stuff so much.
I am always touched by your presence, dear. <3

:blob2:

Hey look! A bouncing thing! That's funny!
OMGLOL. LOLOLOLZ. ITZ SO FUNNIE OMGZ I CAN WATCH TAHT 4EVAR N IT WILL NEVAR GIT OLDE!!@!#!~~

OGM K8 I M JSUT DAZELD BY TEH BOWNSE LOLZ. OMGZ!!!#!!!41!!1!1

[all the same]

Wait, you mean Kate's sarcasm isn't as crystal clears as yours was??

it was clear

[all the same]

Yeah. Some people are only nice to their friends because everyone else is just ****ing annoying and not funny at all. But hey, to each their own.

This one time in college, I was in a lecture where this guest graphic designer was talking about how great he was and how brilliant his work was. It was really obnoxious. So, my friend and I were talking to each other about how lame he was and this guy sitting in front of us turned around and said "You guys are being really f*cking annoying!" Like that kind of annoying?

[xdreamsunwindx]

This one time in college, I was in a lecture where this guest graphic designer was talking about how great he was and how brilliant his work was. It was really obnoxious. So, my friend and I were talking to each other about how lame he was and this guy sitting in front of us turned around and said "You guys are being really f*cking annoying!" Like that kind of annoying?

Wow. Deja vu'D.

[hayley]

Wow. Deja vu'D.

Hee.

Marry me.

[DeadliestPoison]

Hee.

Marry me.
But Hayley!! :(

3m0 t34rz.

[amber]

This one time in college, I was in a lecture where this guest graphic designer was talking about how great he was and how brilliant his work was. It was really obnoxious. So, my friend and I were talking to each other about how lame he was and this guy sitting in front of us turned around and said "You guys are being really f*cking annoying!" Like that kind of annoying?
yeah, exactly. ;) Cept in this case, the guest graphic designer is more b*****/snobby, and there's a group of them.

[hayley]

But Hayley!! :(

3m0 t34rz.

We'll move to Utah, dear heart, where we can all be together without prejudice. Or haters.

:blob2: :blob1: :blob2: :blob1: :blob2: :blob1: :blob2:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Hee.

Marry me.

:'] Aww, Hayley.

Sorry, Greg. The engagement is off. For I have found another.











<3

[all the same]

Wow. Deja vu'D.

Okay. I get it now. So, you were born in 1990? hmmm... I'm arguing with a child? you'll become cynical and bitter. Just give it ten years.

[xdreamsunwindx]

yeah, exactly. ;) Cept in this case, the guest graphic designer is more b*****/snobby, and there's a group of them.

Yeah. It's because they're obviously coolier than thou. Anyone with eyes can see that.

[DeadliestPoison]

yeah, exactly. ;) Cept in this case, the guest graphic designer is more b*****/snobby, and there's a group of them.
Oh, get over it already.

[amber]

Yeah. It's because they're obviously coolier than thou. Anyone with eyes can see that.
I know! I can tell by how much they keep saying so! Everyone knows the best people are the ones who think they are better than everyone else. I've never been that cool though, so I'll just creep back to my uncool but somewhat nice and happy hole... :(

[DeadliestPoison]

you'll become cynical and bitter. Just give it ten years.
Oh, honey, it's LONG past.

Kate may be 14, but she's far more mature and intelligent than many others her age.

[amber]

Oh, get over it already.
Don't worry, I'm very much over how cool anyone says or thinks they are. :) :wavey:

[hayley]

Okay. I get it now. So, you were born in 1990? hmmm... I'm arguing with a child? you'll become cynical and bitter. Just give it ten years.

Kate has more intelligence, humor, and talent in her little finger than over half the people on this board twice her age. You're welcome to try and win an argument with her rationally instead of making a pointless comment about her age.

[amber]

Kate has more intelligence, humor, and talent in her little finger than over half the people on this board twice her age. You're welcome to try and win an argument with her rationally instead of making a pointless comment about her age.
Again - what people think is funny is a matter of opinion. You think she's intelligent, funny, etc. great. Some other people think others are funny. great. some people think some people aren't very nice. great. others don't mind. great.

[hayley]

Again - what people think is funny is a matter of opinion. You think she's intelligent, funny, etc. great. Some other people think others are funny. great. some people think some people aren't very nice. great. others don't mind. great.
As usual, I have NO idea what you just said.

But then again, I also fit into the "not very nice" category, so who knows?

[xdreamsunwindx]

Okay. I get it now. So, you were born in 1990? hmmm... I'm arguing with a child? you'll become cynical and bitter. Just give it ten years.

Honey, I AM cynical and bitter. That all started back when I was eight years old.

And, don't call me a child. I've been through some stuff that would make your skin crawl in my fourteen years of existence. I know how to get myself through anything. Try being in a group home for a long period of time without anyone to help you cope except your mother for five ****ing minutes per day. Try doing that without killing yourself. I've done it. Those experiences made me mature and strong. Say whatever the hell you want. I'll take it.

[trackaghost]

Don't worry, I'm very much over how cool anyone says or thinks they are. :) :wavey:

I think you're cool Amber :)

But all the same - he's another matter altogether...

[estranged4life]

Kate has more intelligence, humor, and talent in her little finger than over half the people on this board twice her age. You're welcome to try and win an argument with her rationally instead of making a pointless comment about her age.

much more intelligent than me, My brain quit workin' way back in the mid 70's :lol:

Brian "I is dumb as dirt and as ol' as fossils" j.

[amber]

I think you're cool Amber :)

But all the same - that's another matter altogether...
I know. You, obviously, are cool as well. :cool: But you know I don't like a gang up. :laugh: See, though, it's good that everyone can like or not like who they want. Or defend and not defend who they want. I like to give new people a few chances, personally, but others may not want to. We're all so free, though, aren't we? :laugh:
:xoxo:

[trackaghost]

much more intelligent than me, My brain quit workin' way back in the mid 70's :lol:

Brian "I is dumb as dirt and as ol' as fossils" j.

Have you ever headbanged Brian?
I did it once but boy did it hurt!

[DeadliestPoison]

Don't worry, I'm very much over how cool anyone says or thinks they are. :) :wavey:
Okay, Bitter Betty. :)

[xdreamsunwindx]

Okay, Bitter Betty. :)

Oh, Bitter Betty. What a slutsicle. :woohoo:

[amber]

Honey, I AM cynical and bitter. That all started back when I was eight years old.

And, don't call me a child. I've been through some stuff that would make your skin crawl in my fourteen years of existence. I know how to get myself through anything. Try being in a group home for a long period of time without anyone to help you cope except your mother for five ****ing minutes per day. Try doing that without killing yourself. I've done it. Those experiences made me mature and strong. Say whatever the hell you want. I'll take it.
I'm very proud of you, but why be down on others if they are happy, nice, and like emoticons? I don't get it. Why tell others they are not funny, or not as cool as you? :confused: I'm sure lots of people have been through things, but some are cynical, some are not. Neither one is necessarily better. I (Although, I do prefer my good friends way - she's had a heinous life, but she is always smiling, and always nice and friendly to everyone she meets. She sees the good in people, doesn't look for the bad, and only says something less than nice if the person does something really bad, and even then she tries to be respectful). I dunno, it's very perplexing to me, is what. I mean, isn't making fun of people for using emoticons the same as making fun of them for their looks?

[estranged4life]

Have you ever headbanged Brian?
I did it once but boy did it hurt!

even did so to "Come" during the Fleetwood Mac show in OKC in July 2003 :lol:

Ol' habits (And my brain cells) die-hard <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie.gif">

[amber]

Have you ever headbanged Brian?
I did it once but boy did it hurt!
Have you moshed? So fun, but I haven't been in a heavy one. midlevel mosh was my limit, what with my short size, and limited weight. :laugh: still - elbows OUT! is fun.... :D

[amber]

even did so the "Come" during the Fleetwood Mac show in OKC in July 2003 :lol:

Ol' habits (And my brain cells) die-hard <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie.gif">
Oh, you had to headbang during "Come"! :nod: :nod:

[xdreamsunwindx]

I'm very proud of you, but why be down on others if they are happy, nice, and like emoticons? I don't get it. Why tell others they are not funny, or not as cool as you? :confused: I'm sure lots of people have been through things, but some are cynical, some are not. Neither one is necessarily better. (Although, I do prefer my good friends way - she's had a heinous life, but she is always smiling, and always nice and friendly to everyone she meets. She sees the good in people, doesn't look for the bad, and only says something less than nice if the person does something really bad, and even then she tries to be respectful). I dunno, it's very perplexing to me, is what.

Well, thank you. I'm not saying I've had a henious life. I'd do it all over again because I love where I'm at right now. I've always been cynical, and if I see something annoying, yeah, I'm gonna have something sarcastic to say. I'm just a bitch like that.

[estranged4life]

Have you moshed? So fun, but I haven't been in a heavy one. midlevel mosh was my limit, what with my short size, and limited weight. :laugh: still - elbows OUT! is fun.... :D

back when I was a teenager (Gee I really am gettin' old), If I tried today I can imagine the explanation I would have to give to the E.R. personnel :lol:

[trackaghost]

even did so to "Come" during the Fleetwood Mac show in OKC in July 2003 :lol:

Ol' habits (And my brain cells) die-hard <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie.gif">

that smilie is awesome!!!

That should add that to the Ledge permanently!

[amber]

Well, thank you. I'm not saying I've had a henious life. I'd do it all over again because I love where I'm at right now. I've always been cynical, and if I see something annoying, yeah, I'm gonna have something sarcastic to say. I'm just a bitch like that.
well, it seems strange to make fun of people for using emoticons, and then be mad at someone for making fun of someone's looks. :shrug: And if you're sarcastic, and a bitch like that, why get mad at all the same for doing the same thing? I honestly don't get it.

[amber]

back when I was a teenager (Gee I really am gettin' old), If I tried today I can imagine the explanation I would have to give to the E.R. personnel :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep. At thirty, I'll probably never have the chance to mosh again, and get out alive....

[madformac]

Honey, I AM cynical and bitter. That all started back when I was eight years old.

And, don't call me a child. I've been through some stuff that would make your skin crawl in my fourteen years of existence. I know how to get myself through anything. Try being in a group home for a long period of time without anyone to help you cope except your mother for five ****ing minutes per day. Try doing that without killing yourself. I've done it. Those experiences made me mature and strong. Say whatever the hell you want. I'll take it.

I'm sorry if you've had a troubled childhood and it's good that you are strong enough to get through thingsbut what makes you so special?

Hundreds of thousands of children have much harder things to deal with yet remain content in the knowledge that it's either not going to be like that forever or there is somebody worse off than them.. Stop the self pity and get a f**kin' grip. ;)

[trackaghost]

Have you moshed? So fun, but I haven't been in a heavy one. midlevel mosh was my limit, what with my short size, and limited weight. :laugh: still - elbows OUT! is fun.... :D

I have to admit I've never moshed or crowd surfed. I'm too delicate for all that.
I have, however, stood at the front at many a concert and been squashed, elbowed and almost had my hair pulled out!
Now I get annoyed when people even push me a little at concerts.
I'm getting old :laugh:
I remember having the most evil purple/red bruise from an Alice In Chains concert once and being so proud hehe

[estranged4life]

that smilie is awesome!!!

That should add that to the Ledge permanently!

that headbangin' one or this one:
<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie-2.gif">

[xdreamsunwindx]

well, it seems strange to make fun of people for using emoticons, and then be mad at someone for making fun of someone's looks. :shrug: And if you're sarcastic, and a bitch like that, why get mad at all the same for doing the same thing? I honestly don't get it.

-_-. That's the point. Emoticons bug the **** out of me, so I make fun of them. I've been teased for my looks throughout my adolescence. And I'm actually really pretty, not to toot my own horn. I hate it when people put others down for their looks. It's one of the cruelest things for people to go through. Think how you'd feel if someone called you a dog or something. You wouldn't be happy. It hurts to see it happen to others when you've experienced it yourself.

And I'm not getting mad. I'm biting back.

[trackaghost]

that headbangin' one or this one:
<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie-2.gif">

Ha! That's awesome too! I want both.

[amber]

-_-. That's the point. Emoticons bug the **** out of me, so I make fun of them. I've been teased for my looks throughout my adolescence. And I'm actually really pretty, not to toot my own horn. I hate it when people put others down for their looks. It's one of the cruelest things for people to go through. Think how you'd feel if someone called you a dog or something. You wouldn't be happy. It hurts to see it happen to others when you've experienced it yourself.

And I'm not getting mad. I'm biting back.
Well, maybe all the same likes to use emoticons, and it bugs him when you make fun of them. Do you not see how, possibly, what you are doing may be something you don't like other people to do? The point is, you are making fun of people for things, he is making fun of people for things. Glass houses, throwing stones, and all that. And, no, I don't usually love it when people make fun of people's looks, but it's going to happen. I just try not to do it myself. I mean, Dissention does it quite a bit, never heard you say anything to him. :shrug:

[hayley]

I'm sorry if you've had a troubled childhood and it's good that you are strong enough to get through thingsbut what makes you so special?

Hundreds of thousands of children have much harder things to deal with yet remain content in the knowledge that it's either not going to be like that forever or there is somebody worse off than them.. Stop the self pity and get a f**kin' grip. ;)

Uh, HUH?

At what point in Kate's post was she in any way self-pitying or asking for sympathy from any of you? All she did was point out things that she's gone through that has made her more mature than your average 14 year old- which she is.

In fact, in a post ABOVE yours, she even said this:

I'd do it all over again because I love where I'm at right now.

To me, that in no way implies that she's getting Woe-Is-Me on anyone's ass and is in fact trying to deflect any sympathy that might BE coming her way.

That was so unnecessary.

[DeadliestPoison]

Well, maybe all the same likes to use emoticons, and it bugs him when you make fun of them.
They're graphics.

On a message board.

It's not that deep, people.

[xdreamsunwindx]

I'm sorry if you've had a troubled childhood and it's good that you are strong enough to get through thingsbut what makes you so special?

Hundreds of thousands of children have much harder things to deal with yet remain content in the knowledge that it's either not going to be like that forever or there is somebody worse off than them.. Stop the self pity and get a f**kin' grip. ;)

Excuse me, I'm not being self-pitying. That was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. I said what i said because it made me a stronger person. I was in no way pitying myself. And I know there are kids who have had to deal with that. I lived with them for a long time. I admire them more than anyone else, because you know what? They're the strongest people I've met. They've never, ever complained about their lives.

And I have a ****ing grip, thanks. :-D

[amber]

They're graphics.

On a message board.

It's not that deep, people.
oh, good point! except you sidestepped my actual point, which was that Kate makes fun of people too, but she, at the same time, calls someone else out for doing so.

[hayley]

oh, good point! except you sidestepped my actual point, which was that Kate makes fun of people too, but she, at the same time, calls someone else out for doing so.

I didn't see an actual point in your earlier post, Greg must've missed it too.

[DeadliestPoison]

oh, good point! except you sidestepped my actual point, which was that Kate makes fun of people too, but she, at the same time, calls someone else out for doing so.
Except you sidestepped my actual point, which is that I'm paralyzed with not caring much.

[madformac]

Uh, HUH?

At what point in Kate's post was she in any way self-pitying or asking for sympathy from any of you? All she did was point out things that she's gone through that has made her more mature than your average 14 year old- which she is.

In fact, in a post ABOVE yours, she even said this:



To me, that in no way implies that she's getting Woe-Is-Me on anyone's ass and is in fact trying to deflect any sympathy that might BE coming her way.

That was so unnecessary.

How do you define what is mature or not for 14?

No, the fact that her childhood was even mentioned implies self pity. Why bring it up unless you are trying to justify something? I've had tough things happen in my life, I have close friends who have gone through almost unimaginable grief in childhood but I don't feel the need to point it out in public on a forum. Maybe it's for sympathy then? I don't know :shrug:

Of course she would do it again, it's more than likely been character building and given her a stronger outlook and opinions but then if you haven't had a childhood any other way how would you know a different way to grow up?

Most of the last 3 pages has been unecessary in my opinion.. :rolleyes:

[amber]

I didn't see an actual point in your earlier post, Greg must've missed it too.
Go back and look again, the point was that y'all are jumping on someone for what you think is mean, or wrong, but most of you have done/ said things that were just as mean and wrong. Is that clear enough?

[hayley]

No, the fact that her childhood was even mentioned implies self pity. Why bring it up unless you are trying to justify something? I've had tough things happen in my life, I have close friends who have gone through almost unimaginable grief in childhood but I don't feel the need to point it out in public on a forum. Maybe it's for sympathy then? I don't know :shrug:


Kate never ONCE brought up her childhood. all the same did, by loudly bitching that he was arguing with "a child." She was simply responding to what was an idiotic statement from HIM, and a stupid assumption that she was unworthy of having discourse with, upon seeing her birth year.

[amber]

Except you sidestepped my actual point, which is that I'm paralyzed with not caring much.
so why post?

[madformac]

Excuse me, I'm not being self-pitying. That was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. I said what i said because it made me a stronger person. I was in no way pitying myself. And I know there are kids who have had to deal with that. I lived with them for a long time. I admire them more than anyone else, because you know what? They're the strongest people I've met. They've never, ever complained about their lives.

And I have a ****ing grip, thanks. :-D

Which is what I just pointed out, it's made you stronger, I just don't see the need to post it to justify your original arguement... :shrug:

Nice that you have a f**king grip, look after it. :nod:

[hayley]

Go back and look again, the point was that y'all are jumping on someone for what you think is mean, or wrong, but most of you have done/ said things that were just as mean and wrong. Is that clear enough?

Amber, there's a difference between criticizing the use of emoticons, which are COMMONLY considered a blight of the Internet, and criticizing a much-respected artist's music (who died tragicially young, and it's STILL undetermined whether it was a suicide or murder) because the poster thinks he's UGLY.

[DeadliestPoison]

so why post?
-_-. *facepalm*

Welcome to the ignore filter... Amber.

[madformac]

Kate never ONCE brought up her childhood. all the same did, by loudly bitching that he was arguing with "a child." She was simply responding to what was an idiotic statement from HIM, and a stupid assumption that she was unworthy of having discourse with, upon seeing her birth year.


Yes but by stating he was arguing with a child was he not correct? Whatever his intention or your interpretation of his statement it was factually correct. Or am I wrong?

14 is still classed as a minor in the USA is it not?

[all the same]

Excuse me, I'm not being self-pitying. That was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. I said what i said because it made me a stronger person. I was in no way pitying myself. And I know there are kids who have had to deal with that. I lived with them for a long time. I admire them more than anyone else, because you know what? They're the strongest people I've met. They've never, ever complained about their lives.

And I have a ****ing grip, thanks. :-D

I respect that you have had a hard life. I don't wish a hard life on anyone. But we have all had hard lives. If I told you my life story, you'd cry your eyes out. If any of us revealed our "darkest hour", we'd all be bawling. I am sorry for the cutting remark about your age. It was unnecessary. :xoxo:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Which is what I just pointed out, it's made you stronger, I just don't see the need to post it to justify your original arguement... :shrug:

Nice that you have a f**king grip, look after it. :nod:

My original argument was basically defense of my character, because all_the_same called me a child, a remark I find offensive, personally, because to me, it means immature. Everyone thinks I'm some hard-assed bitch. You know WHY I'm such a hardass? It's because I went through stuff like that. It built up my character. I only said what I said because of a remark that offended me, and I wanted to defend myself, and my maturity level.

[amber]

Amber, there's a difference between criticizing the use of emoticons, which are COMMONLY considered a blight of the Internet, and criticizing a much-respected artist's music (who died tragicially young, and it's STILL undetermined whether it was a suicide or murder) because the poster thinks he's UGLY.
Please. I've heard countless people on this board, y'all included, make fun of people cause they were ugly, or you thought their clothes were ugly (a personal pet peeve of mine) or whatever snarky, arbitrary thing y'all decided to come up with. Apparently because you are the coolest people in the world. No, it wasn't in the best taste, but calling someone ugly (especially if you think they are ugly) is hardly a capital crime. Come back to me with that the next time you morph into someone who is always nice, always says good things about people, and never criticizes anyone. OK?

[madformac]

My original argument was basically defense of my character, because all_the_same called me a child, a remark I find offensive, personally, because to me, it means immature. Everyone thinks I'm some hard-assed bitch. You know WHY I'm such a hardass? It's because I went through stuff like that. It built up my character. I only said what I said because of a remark that offended me, and I wanted to defend myself, and my maturity level.

Being called a child to me does not mean being called immature though. I work with people between the ages of 16 and 61 and to be quite honest the 16 year old girl I work with is totally capable of holding a conversation at a mature level with anybody. She is still a child in my country however..

[xdreamsunwindx]

I'm closing this thread, because honestly, it's out of hand. I said some stupid things, as did many others. Whatev. Lock'D.