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dissention
03-29-2005, 12:53 AM
I was talking about this with one of my friends this evening and thought it might make an interesting thread. Which movies have you seen that were dismissed as crap, but you actually found to be quite brilliant? When we were talking, the two movies that came to my mind first were Spielberg's "Artificial Intelligence" and Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut".

I didn't bother with A.I. when it was in theaters because I don't have much of a tolerance for Spielberg (see one of his movies and you've seen them all, except that they get progressively duller and less interesting as the years wear on), and while I found the last half hour to be heinous and unwatchable, the rest of it was quite good. He couldn't keep his emotional masturbation in check, but that's to be expected. The "heart" that every hack critic finds at the center of it (while simultaneously bashing it) is nothing of the sort, it's incredibly fake and hollow as only Spielberg can do because he's the ultimate anti-intellectual, but the scenes involving David and the wide-eyed look of shock, terror, and excitement on his face as he wanders throughout the movie make it worth watching. The fact that Speilberg doesn't have the mental capacity to get a good grasp on the material was what I found most interesting, because he glossed over the perverse nature of it so much that you couldn't help but notice how twisted the proceedings were. It was as if he didn't quite understand the movie or what he was doing, so you were actually viewing it from a child's point of view. It worked magnificently, albeit unintentionally, until the last act.

I find Kubrick maddening. Watching his movies is like being hog tied and then being repeatedly bashed in the skull with a brick. He's either too naive in the treatment of his themes, or he's too cynical and downright vicious to the point where you find yourself watching the work of a man who believes his audiences are masochists. But "Eyes Wide Shut" was fantastic. I think I was the only person to walk out of the theater satisfied. :laugh: I could go on and on about it, but I won't. Probably his best movie (which, considering how I can't stand him, isn't exactly saying much, but it was still fantastic).

CreepingDeath
03-29-2005, 01:12 AM
A few off the top of my head (I'm not sure how 'underrated' these are)

The Human Stain
College
The Awful Truth
Cape Fear
Badlands
Before Night Falls

I'll think of more I'm sure......

amber
03-29-2005, 01:13 AM
I liked Eyes Wide Shut ok. :shrug:
um, I can't really think of any big underrated movies. Most indie movies are underrated, so wouldn't it be futile to name them here? Did anyone see "When Night is Falling"? I thought it was beautiful... :shrug:

dissention
03-29-2005, 01:18 AM
The Human Stain

Good one. :nod: Hopkins was woefully miscast, but I still found it great. It must have been maddening to try to adapt the masterpiece that is the book, so they get kudos for pulling it off as well as they did. The scenes in bed with Kidman are magic.

CreepingDeath
03-29-2005, 01:25 AM
Good one. :nod: Hopkins was woefully miscast, but I still found it great. It must have been maddening to try to adapt the masterpiece that is the book, so they get kudos for pulling it off as well as they did. The scenes in bed with Kidman are magic.

Yeah, Hopkins was definitely miscast, but I love him so I overlooked it. :D Plus, I love Nicole Kidman in about anything she's in. I'll be skipping 'Bewitched' though.

DownOnRodeo
03-29-2005, 02:53 AM
Dissention, I'm with you on <i>AI</i> - except I give Speilberg any and all kudos for it. First, like you, I don'twant to imagine how retarded and unwatchable Kubrick would have made it by himself. It owes a lot to Hayley Joel Osmont's awesome acting - and I think that can also be attributed to Speilberg being such a good director of children.

My choice would be <i>Being There</i>, but I'd say that it is unknown as opposed to underrated. Anyone who's actually seen it applauds it!

DownOnRodeo
03-29-2005, 02:56 AM
Cape Fear


Do you mean the remake by Scorcese with DeNiro and whatshisname? It is great.

dissention
03-29-2005, 09:14 AM
There's an Australian film called Lantana which did well here but I don't think did anything elsewhere. I doubt you'd have heard of it.

Au contraire, Lantana is one of my favorites. Some of the best acting I've ever seen is in that movie, they hit the jackpot with that cast. LaPaglia, Armstrong, and Hershey were especially fantastic. They ****ed up pretty badly when they marketed it as a cop thriller here, though, because it's anything but. I found it pretty disarming from the start because you weren't watching movie stars like you are when you watch most American movies, you were watching actors who looked and acted like real people, which made it all the more affecting. And you have to love the use of the title.

dissention
03-29-2005, 09:21 AM
Dissention, I'm with you on <i>AI</i> - except I give Speilberg any and all kudos for it. First, like you, I don'twant to imagine how retarded and unwatchable Kubrick would have made it by himself. It owes a lot to Hayley Joel Osmont's awesome acting - and I think that can also be attributed to Speilberg being such a good director of children.

Eh, Spielberg will never get my praises. :laugh: He's too showy, he doesn't let the audience think about anything; everything is up front, in your face, and pushed to such extremes with his heavy hand that it makes me want to ralph. I think we got a rather diluted version of A.I. because he committed the ultimate sin and not only rewrote Kubrick's original screenplay, but he took unfilmed scenes from Close Encounters and used them for the ending. I still think A.I. is ten times better than most people give it credit for, but as much as I can't stand Kubrick, he wouldn't have fecked it up so badly by inserting maudlin scene after maudlin scene, IMO.

dissention
03-29-2005, 09:25 AM
Yeah, Hopkins was definitely miscast, but I love him so I overlooked it. :D Plus, I love Nicole Kidman in about anything she's in. I'll be skipping 'Bewitched' though.

I'm skipping Bewitched simply because of Will Ferrell. ;) Gawd, he's annoying. Kidman is one of my favorites, but I can't brave two hours of Ferrell for her.

I think The Interpreter looks like a good popcorn flick, though. Can't wait to see that one, even though *shudder* Sydney Pollack directed it.

DownOnRodeo
03-29-2005, 09:59 AM
Oh I have one!

<i>Bicentennial Man</i>. It seems to have been dismissed as a kids movie, but it was great - very <i>AI</i> but much more moving.

DrummerDeanna
03-29-2005, 10:38 AM
I didn't like A.I. actually. I sat through it once...and it was ok...but it wasn't great IMO - and the Bear!?! My sister and I died laughing everytime that bear came around....:shrug:

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Underrated movies....um....lol...I have none to contribute....

Miss Vicky
03-29-2005, 11:10 AM
I can think of any number of overrated movies, but underrated? I'm not so sure. Of the movies listed so far, "A.I." and "Before Night Falls" (despite Johnny Depp playing two characters and the presence of the gorgeous Olivier Martinez) are both atrocious and I made the mistake of buying both movies on DVD before actually seeing the films. I didn't feel one way or the other for "The Human Stain" and haven't seen the rest. Most movies that I like that have been dismissed as crap are films that I like because they are so bad.

hayley
03-29-2005, 11:16 AM
I really liked A.I. until the end. I really wish they'd left it with him staring at the Blue Fairy. The ending was just terrible.

I love Eyes Wide Shut.

I can't think of anything else. Except The Sweetest Thing. lolol.

skcin
03-29-2005, 11:19 AM
I think Goodfellas is a masterpiece, but I guess it wasn't really underrated. :shrug:

Legends of the Fall - loved everything about it- the actors, the script, the cinematography. I thought it was spectacular. :nod:

Grumpy & Grumpier Old Men - I think they get blown off as silly fluffy comedies, but the chemistry between the actors is amazing. :)

ontheEdgeof17
03-29-2005, 11:30 AM
I can't think of anything else. Except The Sweetest Thing. lolol.


Much love for that movie! :xoxo:


I think Serial Mom is underrated. It is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen.

dissention
03-29-2005, 11:31 AM
I think Serial Mom is underrated. It is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen.

"Pussywillows, Dotty."

Honey, every John Waters movie is underrated. That man is genius.

strandinthewind
03-29-2005, 11:33 AM
Legends of the Fall - loved everything about it- the actors, the script, the cinematography. I thought it was spectacular. :nod:

Grumpy & Grumpier Old Men - I think they get blown off as silly fluffy comedies, but the chemistry between the actors is amazing. :)

YEP!!!!!!!!! :nod:

I also think "House of Spirits" was underrated :mad:

hayley
03-29-2005, 11:34 AM
Much love for that movie! :xoxo:


I think Serial Mom is underrated. It is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen.

I LOVE Serial Mom. Not a huge John Waters fan, but Serial Mom is a favorite.

dissention
03-29-2005, 11:35 AM
How about Altman's "3 Women"? That's his finest movie, it blows away everything else on his resume, yet it gets no recognition whatsoever. I was orgasmic when it was finally released on home video last year, almost 30 years after it came out.

dissention
03-29-2005, 11:43 AM
what about 8 Women?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283832/

That's a great film.

Of course it's great, Isabelle Huppert and Catherine Deneuve are in it. :D

Ozon's Swimming Pool was fab, too, but that got praised pretty well, so I don't know if it's very underrated.

ontheEdgeof17
03-29-2005, 11:46 AM
Identity is underrated, too. It might have been slighty overdone, but I think it is a fab movie.

strandinthewind
03-29-2005, 11:50 AM
Of course it's great, Isabelle Huppert and Catherine Deneuve are in it. :D

Ozon's Swimming Pool was fab, too, but that got praised pretty well, so I don't know if it's very underrated.

I thought Swimming Pool was overrated :laugh: I liked it, but it dragged too much for me. But, to each their own!!! :cool:

wondergirl9847
03-29-2005, 12:01 PM
Legends of the Fall - loved everything about it- the actors, the script, the cinematography. I thought it was spectacular. :nod:

Grumpy & Grumpier Old Men - I think they get blown off as silly fluffy comedies, but the chemistry between the actors is amazing. :)

Love Brad, hated Legends. Blergh. I don't like many romantic movies, I'm such a tomboy. LOL

Both of the Grumpy Old Men movies ALWAYS get me laughing, I love them and speaking of, The Odd Couple is one of my favorite movies. :)

amber
03-29-2005, 12:27 PM
A film I thought was particularly underrated was The Ice Storm. American Beauty was a poor man's/shallow person's unoriginal version of The Ice Storm. There's brilliance in so many elements of it but I couldn't be arsed boring people with it.

You could bore me with it - I adore that movie (Ice Storm) and thought the same about American Beauty (although I enjoyed it). I didn't know Ice Storm was underrated, though.

amber
03-29-2005, 12:30 PM
I was just thinking lately how amazing Hayao Miyazaki is. Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away are just fantastic films.
You? Are right. :p Spirited Away was just beautiful...
Apparantly I can't think of any movies until someone else mentions them... :confused:

dissention
03-29-2005, 12:31 PM
You could bore me with it - I adore that movie (Ice Storm) and thought the same about American Beauty (although I enjoyed it). I didn't know Ice Storm was underrated, though.

Annette Benning was the only thing I liked about American Beauty, she was *so* good. Kevin Spacey is one of the worst actors I've ever seen and the movie itself was so incredibly hokey that it made me chuckle.

"Sometimes there's just so much beauty in the world" while he's watching a video of plastic bag blowing in the wind. :laugh: Talk about intellectual masturbation!

amber
03-29-2005, 12:34 PM
Annette Benning was the only thing I liked about American Beauty, she was *so* good. Kevin Spacey is one of the worst actors I've ever seen and the movie itself was so incredibly hokey that it made me chuckle.

"Sometimes there's just so much beauty in the world" while he's watching a video of plastic bag blowing in the wind. :laugh: Talk about intellectual masturbation!
Yeah, Spacey again. I really enjoyed all the other performances, that next door neighbor gay guy was great, and I loved Mena Suvari... :D It's no Ice Storm, though, that's for sure...

dissention
03-29-2005, 12:34 PM
Speaking of The Ice Storm, Sigourney Weaver's new movie Imaginary Heroes is pretty good, too. The plot is an absolute mess (suicide to incest to drugs to life-threatening illnesses to affairs in only 90 minutes), but it's still quite funny and satisfying for some reason.

dissention
03-29-2005, 12:37 PM
Yeah, Spacey again. I really enjoyed all the other performances, that next door neighbor gay guy was great, and I loved Mena Suvari... :D It's no Ice Storm, though, that's for sure...

Aside from Spacey, that guy was what ruined the movie for me. Not the actor, Chris Cooper is always good, but the character and the twist of him being gay was just ridiculous. I must say, though, that the scene at the end with Benning going berserk and smelling her husband's clothes after he's murdered was incredibly well done. That's the one scene that has stuck with me.

amber
03-29-2005, 12:41 PM
Aside from Spacey, that guy was what ruined the movie for me. Not the actor, Chris Cooper is always good, but the character and the twist of him being gay was just ridiculous. I must say, though, that the scene at the end with Benning going berserk and smelling her husband's clothes after he's murdered was incredibly well done. That's the one scene that has stuck with me.
Hmmm, i thought it was perfect that he was gay, a compelling plot point and the way Chris played it, totally illumating the family dynamic. :shrug: I don't remember the smelling her husband's clothes part....guess it didn't stick with me... :D

dissention
03-29-2005, 12:47 PM
Hmmm, i thought it was perfect that he was gay, a compelling plot point and the way Chris played it, totally illumating the family dynamic. :shrug: I don't remember the smelling her husband's clothes part....guess it didn't stick with me... :D

That's too bad, it was quite a disturbing scene. :nod:

I could handle his being gay, but I thought they really went overboard when he killed Spacey. It was just absurd to the point where I couldn't help but laugh. It was so out of left field and just didn't gel for me, it needed more to it than his simply being rejected by Spacey. I guess it just rang hollow for me. :shrug:

amber
03-29-2005, 12:57 PM
That's too bad, it was quite a disturbing scene. :nod:

I could handle his being gay, but I thought they really went overboard when he killed Spacey. It was just absurd to the point where I couldn't help but laugh. It was so out of left field and just didn't gel for me, it needed more to it than his simply being rejected by Spacey. I guess it just rang hollow for me. :shrug:
I thought the "more" it needed was the fact that he obviously had so much self loathing, anger, and pain, at being gay. And I thought Chris really showed that. And, he had spent years acting violently towards his family... :shrug:

dissention
03-29-2005, 01:13 PM
I think all of Cronenberg's movies could be considered underrated, too. Especially Videodrome (The Ring is a total rip-off), Dead Ringers, Spider, and eXistenZ (Jennifer Jason Leigh and Jude Law are fantastic in it). Even when he's atrocious (Crash, etc.), there's always something intriguing about him.

amber
03-29-2005, 01:40 PM
I think all of Cronenberg's movies could be considered underrated, too. Especially Videodrome (The Ring is a total rip-off), Dead Ringers, Spider, and eXistenZ (Jennifer Jason Leigh and Jude Law are fantastic in it). Even when he's atrocious (Crash, etc.), there's always something intriguing about him.
Twue, very Twue.

cliffdweller
03-29-2005, 02:15 PM
Good one. :nod: Hopkins was woefully miscast

So was Nicole Kidman! After reading the book you realize how miscast she was. It's like the director slapped some brown dye on her in an attempt to "ugly" her up. There is no uglying up Nicole Kidman no matter how hard you try! And her "tough" act did not convince me. Her vulnerability showed through too many times and the character was not supposed to be that vulnerable, at least not from the book's perspective. The director took a few too many liberties with the material. Sorry! I read the book first!

cliffdweller
03-29-2005, 02:19 PM
A film I thought was particularly underrated was The Ice Storm. American Beauty was a poor man's/shallow person's unoriginal version of The Ice Storm.

:nod: Agreed on both counts!

I HATED American Beauty.

cliffdweller
03-29-2005, 02:32 PM
Speaking of The Ice Storm, Sigourney Weaver's new movie Imaginary Heroes is pretty good, too.

You just reminded me. Speaking of underrated movies, I think Map of the World is up there. For some reason I really liked that flick AND Dissention, Julianne Moore is in it! I love her, she's quite possibly my favorite actress alive today.

Other Underrated Movies:
The Big Lebowski---pure (overlooked) comedic genius

The River's Edge---disturbing portrait of human ambivalence and alienation and noone can argue the genius of Crispin Glover. :laugh:

And speaking of Crisping Glover, add Ruben and Ed to the list. I'm a sucker for buddy/roadtrip movies and especially when they are that quirky.

White Oleander---I really liked that kid in it, I think her name is Allison Loehman? Anyway, I think she and Michelle Pfeiffer stole the show.

American Psycho--- Great piece of social satire that one. And I LOVE Christian Bale with every fiber of my being. Can't wait for the new Batman.

dissention
03-29-2005, 03:13 PM
So was Nicole Kidman! After reading the book you realize how miscast she was. It's like the director slapped some brown dye on her in an attempt to "ugly" her up. There is no uglying up Nicole Kidman no matter how hard you try! And her "tough" act did not convince me. Her vulnerability showed through too many times and the character was not supposed to be that vulnerable, at least not from the book's perspective. The director took a few too many liberties with the material. Sorry! I read the book first!

I *loved* her in The Human Stain, dear. The book is one of my favorites (it is, truly, the great American novel) and I knew going in that they'd never be able to do it justice on film, but I thought she was spellbinding. That scene between her and Hopkins right before Ed Harris showed up outside her house is pure movie magic; I couldn't take my eyes off her. I liked her interpretation of Faunia, however different it may have been from the book; I certianly bought her as white trash.

Hopkins, on the other hand, seemed to be going through the motions and he simply was not believable in the least. There was nothing to that performance.

dissention
03-29-2005, 03:19 PM
You just reminded me. Speaking of underrated movies, I think Map of the World is up there. For some reason I really liked that flick AND Dissention, Julianne Moore is in it! I love her, she's quite possibly my favorite actress alive today.

Sigourney Weaver is *amazing* in that movie! The book is completely pretentious chick lit garbage, but the movie was quite good. I have so many favorite actors and actresses, but Moore and Kidman are right up there. See Vanya On 42nd Street if you haven't seen it, Moore's great in that one.

Other Underrated Movies:
The Big Lebowski---pure (overlooked) comedic genius

DUDE! That is my mother's favorite movie. :laugh: It is hilarious.

The River's Edge---disturbing portrait of human ambivalence and alienation and noone can argue the genius of Crispin Glover. :laugh:

And speaking of Crisping Glover, add Ruben and Ed to the list. I'm a sucker for buddy/roadtrip movies and especially when they are that quirky.

That one's good, but River's Edge grates on me like you wouldn't believe. :laugh:

American Psycho--- Great piece of social satire that one. And I LOVE Christian Bale with every fiber of my being. Can't wait for the new Batman.

I tried to read the book years and years ago, but it was too disgusting for moi. It? Was sick.

SuzeQuze
03-29-2005, 03:19 PM
You just reminded me. Speaking of underrated movies, I think Map of the World is up there. For some reason I really liked that flick AND Dissention, Julianne Moore is in it! I love her, she's quite possibly my favorite actress alive today.

Other Underrated Movies:
The Big Lebowski---pure (overlooked) comedic genius

The River's Edge---disturbing portrait of human ambivalence and alienation and noone can argue the genius of Crispin Glover. :laugh:

And speaking of Crisping Glover, add Ruben and Ed to the list. I'm a sucker for buddy/roadtrip movies and especially when they are that quirky.

White Oleander---I really liked that kid in it, I think her name is Allison Loehman? Anyway, I think she and Michelle Pfeiffer stole the show.

American Psycho--- Great piece of social satire that one. And I LOVE Christian Bale with every fiber of my being. Can't wait for the new Batman.

I love River's Edge and find that movie endlessly fascinating. Those idiots were like my friends and I was horrified to think that anyone could keep such a secret. Crispin Glover was friggin awesome in that film.

Ooh, yes I loved that actress in White Oleander but I really didn't like the film. Not as a whole anyway, I did really love parts of it, however.

Legend with Mia Sara and Tom Cruise. Simplistic in its dealings with good/evil but I thought it was a gorgeous piece.

dissention
03-29-2005, 03:22 PM
Legend with Mia Sara and Tom Cruise. Simplistic in its dealings with good/evil but I thought it was a gorgeous piece.

:D

That and Labyrinth are my favorite fantasy movies, I grew up watching them. You should get Legend on DVD, it has the extended director's cut and it's far superior to the original version. The only drawback is...NO TANGERINE DREAM! :eek:

SuzeQuze
03-29-2005, 03:26 PM
:D

That and Labyrinth are my favorite fantasy movies, I grew up watching them. You should get Legend on DVD, it has the extended director's cut and it's far superior to the original version. The only drawback is...NO TANGERINE DREAM! :eek:

Holy sh*t, you like that movie! :blob1: I'll never forget, I was home sick in high school and it was on and I was enthralled. I LOVE fantasy movies and that one is wonderful. I wanted to marry Tom Cruise (of course I was only 15). :lol: LOVED him with that long hair. Although Mia was so gorgeous I thought I may want to marry her (actually, I wanted to look just like her). :p I've got to get this film, I nearly forgot about it, but when the name "Sloan" came up it came to me. :thumbsup:

dissention
03-29-2005, 03:33 PM
Holy sh*t, you like that movie! :blob1: I'll never forget, I was home sick in high school and it was on and I was enthralled. I LOVE fantasy movies and that one is wonderful. I wanted to marry Tom Cruise (of course I was only 15). :lol: LOVED him with that long hair. Although Mia was so gorgeous I thought I may want to marry her (actually, I wanted to look just like her). :p I've got to get this film, I nearly forgot about it, but when the name "Sloan" came up it came to me. :thumbsup:

Mia Sara was gorgeous in that one, she's so classically beautiful. :nod:

The DVD set is awesome, I just grabbed it off my shelf just now. :laugh: On the first disc is the director's cut (it's extended by about half an hour), and on the second disc is the theatrical cut, plus lots of extras like deleted scenes. The second disc also has the isolated Tangerine Dream score, so you can pop it into your DVD player and just listen to it. And it's in this neat plastic see-through case that folds out and comes with a gorgeous little booklet. :D

Serrart
03-29-2005, 03:33 PM
A film I thought was particularly underrated was The Ice Storm. American Beauty was a poor man's/shallow person's unoriginal version of The Ice Storm. There's brilliance in so many elements of it but I couldn't be arsed boring people with it.

I totally agree, The Ice storm is a gem. I love it and Ang Lee is one of my personal favourites. He's able to fill a scene with so many elements without an hint of arrogance.

I also agree on The Human Stain (Anthony Hopkins can't do wrong for me... well almost never :D ) and Eyes Wide Shut.

Then:
Spotswood: an Australian movie with Hopkins, Russell Crowe and Toni Collette that's not very known
What?: By Roman Polanski, a movie without the trace of a plot that looks like the director's personal Helzapoppin
Bonfire of Vanities: By De Palma, it's a brilliant satire with some moments of astounding filmaking, I don't know why American critics can't stand it.
The Associate: a very funny comedy with Goldberg and Wiest particularly inspired and a great supporting cast.
Brassed Off: one of the most brilliant mixture of comedy and drama I've seen in the last ten years
El Abrazo Partido: Daniel Burman can speak of feelings with such a grace
Judy Berlin: Great performances and beautifully shot
Fresh: is an unsung masterpiece for me. Hope Yakin would be able to make consistent movies again.
Where The Money Is: Newman and Fiorentino made a wonderful couple.
In The Mood For Love: I don't know if it's underrated in US, but just in case, I put it here, because is a truly magnificent film with two of the best living actors around and an incredible director like Wong Kar-wai.

Just some... :p

Romy

dissention
03-29-2005, 03:42 PM
Bonfire of Vanities: By De Palma, it's a brilliant satire with some moments of astounding filmaking, I don't know why American critics can't stand it.

Because it's atrocious? :laugh: I like watching it every now and then to see Melanie Griffith's boobs get bigger then smaller then bigger then smaller over the course of the movie. Did no one tell that girl that you don't get implants while you're in the middle of shooting a movie? I don't care for it because it just didn't translate well to the screen with the likes of Tom Hanks and Bruce Willis. And DePalma gutted the novel of the real satire in favor of dumbed-down humor. Nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be, though, and I do love the scene where Hanks and Griffith run the kid over. :laugh:

The Associate: a very funny comedy with Goldberg and Wiest particularly inspired and a great supporting cast.

I like it, too. It's one of those feel good movies that isn't fake and sappy to the Nth degree.

Judy Berlin: Great performances and beautifully shot
Fresh: is an unsung masterpiece for me. Hope Yakin would be able to make consistent movies again.
Where The Money Is: Newman and Fiorentino made a wonderful couple.

All great. :D I couldn't agree more about Where the Money Is. Slight, but very fun.

I'd also like to add Noises Off. The funniest movie ever made.

SuzeQuze
03-29-2005, 03:43 PM
Mia Sara was gorgeous in that one, she's so classically beautiful. :nod:

The DVD set is awesome, I just grabbed it off my shelf just now. :laugh: On the first disc is the director's cut (it's extended by about half an hour), and on the second disc is the theatrical cut, plus lots of extras like deleted scenes. The second disc also has the isolated Tangerine Dream score, so you can pop it into your DVD player and just listen to it. And it's in this neat plastic see-through case that folds out and comes with a gorgeous little booklet. :D

No way! That sounds like a great package. Man, it's been so long since I saw that movie. I am jealous which I think you already know. :p

I also want to get Stand by Me which I almost bought at Borders the other day. I read the novella "The Body" by Stephen King and that story was riveting (not quite a strong enough word, I was really affected by this story). The movie wasn't quite as good but it was a really good film.

hayley
03-29-2005, 03:44 PM
Is The Big Lebowski underrated? It's such a cult hit now. I love it. The Dude abides, man. A couple of friends and I are planning on hitting Lebowski Fest in Kentucky this year. Ohhh. Can't wait. I thought I'd go as the rug. We'll see.

I wasn't a fan of White Oleander, except for my crush on Patrick Fugit. I think I just love the book too much.

amber
03-29-2005, 03:44 PM
Holy sh*t, you like that movie! :blob1: I'll never forget, I was home sick in high school and it was on and I was enthralled. I LOVE fantasy movies and that one is wonderful. I wanted to marry Tom Cruise (of course I was only 15). :lol: LOVED him with that long hair. Although Mia was so gorgeous I thought I may want to marry her (actually, I wanted to look just like her). :p I've got to get this film, I nearly forgot about it, but when the name "Sloan" came up it came to me. :thumbsup:
How could you forget Legend? :distress: :distress: You must watch it again, immediately. :)

amber
03-29-2005, 03:46 PM
Did anyone see Henry Fool? I quite enjoyed that....

SuzeQuze
03-29-2005, 03:47 PM
How could you forget Legend? :distress: :distress: You must watch it again, immediately. :)

Well, I can't help it. They say your memory starts to go in your 30s and its totally true. :laugh: I would never completely forget it I just haven't thought about it for a long time. Thanks for bringing it to the top of my pile of memories! :lol:

Serrart
03-29-2005, 03:56 PM
Because it's atrocious? :laugh: I like watching it every now and then to see Melanie Griffith's boobs get bigger then smaller then bigger then smaller over the course of the movie. Did no one tell that girl that you don't get implants while you're in the middle of shooting a movie? I don't care for it because it just didn't translate well to the screen with the likes of Tom Hanks and Bruce Willis. And DePalma gutted the novel of the real satire in favor of dumbed-down humor. Nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be, though, and I do love the scene where Hanks and Griffith run the kid over. :laugh:

I know it's excessive, like most De Palma. I like it because it's shot angrily and with some scenes of great cinema, like the one where Bruce Willis is surrounded by his entourage.


All great. :D I couldn't agree more about Where the Money Is. Slight, but very fun.


I'd also like to add Noises Off. The funniest movie ever made.

I love Noises Off, it's one of the movies that makes me laugh more, together with the Maggie Smith/Michael Caine episode in California Suite. :thumbsup:

Romy

Miss Vicky
03-29-2005, 10:29 PM
Is The Big Lebowski underrated? It's such a cult hit now. I love it. The Dude abides, man. A couple of friends and I are planning on hitting Lebowski Fest in Kentucky this year. Ohhh. Can't wait. I thought I'd go as the rug. We'll see.

I wasn't a fan of White Oleander, except for my crush on Patrick Fugit. I think I just love the book too much.


Lebowski Fest? Damn that sounds fun. Too bad I'm in Cali and am making sh*t wages and can't afford to travel. :distress:

Jeez I love that movie!

GateandGarden
03-29-2005, 11:00 PM
White Oleander---I really liked that kid in it, I think her name is Allison Loehman? Anyway, I think she and Michelle Pfeiffer stole the show.I loved that one, too.

Also, Howard the Duck!






















(I'm SO kidding!) :laugh:

Anyway, it's been awhile since I've seen them, but I remember thinking that Creator and Plenty were underrated. And, of course, UHF. :blob2:

hayley
03-29-2005, 11:20 PM
Lebowski Fest? Damn that sounds fun. Too bad I'm in Cali and am making sh*t wages and can't afford to travel. :distress:

Jeez I love that movie!

Aww, too bad for you- the L.A. one was this last weekend.

http://www.lebowskifest.com/la.asp

I think I'll break out my Dude icon again.

cliffdweller
03-30-2005, 09:49 AM
That scene between her and Hopkins right before Ed Harris showed up outside her house is pure movie magic;

I thought Ed Harris was the best thing about that movie. Nicole was good don't get me wrong, I just think she was wrong for the role. Good effort on her part though. I think she's a great actress :thumbsup:

cliffdweller
03-30-2005, 09:53 AM
Did anyone see Henry Fool? I quite enjoyed that....

Of course you did, Parker Posey is in it! ;) :p

I liked it, but Henry started to get on my nerves by the film's end. It's definitely one of Hal Hartley's best though.

dissention
03-30-2005, 11:00 AM
Of course you did, Parker Posey is in it! ;) :p

I liked it, but Henry started to get on my nerves by the film's end. It's definitely one of Hal Hartley's best though.

Did you ever see No Such Thing with Sarah Polley and Julie Christie? That's my favorite Hartley movie. :nod:

bikerchic
03-30-2005, 11:02 AM
Just watched "Napoleon Dynamite" (it's my 15 year old son's movie, he said it was hilarious, it was ok. Did anyone else see it? Can't decide if I liked it or not, kind of stupid, but kinda funny.

GateandGarden
03-30-2005, 11:11 AM
Just watched "Napoleon Dynamite" (it's my 15 year old son's movie, he said it was hilarious, it was ok. Did anyone else see it? Can't decide if I liked it or not, kind of stupid, but kinda funny.I? Loved that movie. And have watched it more times than I can count. I <3 Napoleon and Pedro. My Mom and I are obsessed with that movie. :]

http://img169.exs.cx/img169/4479/napol2us.gif

GateandGarden
03-30-2005, 11:14 AM
And, uh... SpiceWorld. It's so horrible and they all know it. So campy fun ensues. <3<3Aw, come on. You know you're biased there. :laugh: ;)

bikerchic
03-30-2005, 11:16 AM
Underrated? Clue.
I don't know? Was it a hit or miss at theater's?

dissention
03-30-2005, 11:22 AM
I don't know? Was it a hit or miss at theater's?

It bombed. I have no clue as to why, because it rawks.

ontheEdgeof17
03-30-2005, 11:24 AM
Underrated? Clue. And, uh... SpiceWorld. It's so horrible and they all know it. So campy fun ensues. <3<3


Two of my top three favorite movies......Goonies being number one. :woohoo:

bikerchic
03-30-2005, 11:25 AM
I? Loved that movie. And have watched it more times than I can count. I <3 Napoleon and Pedro. My Mom and I are obsessed with that movie. :]

http://img169.exs.cx/img169/4479/napol2us.gif
My son can imitate Napoleon pretty good (no he's not a nerd :laugh: but by voice & expression), especially the first scene on the bus, when Napoleon answers that little boy about what he's going to do today, too funny! :lol:

bikerchic
03-30-2005, 11:29 AM
It bombed. I have no clue as to why, because it rawks.
Is Clue a movie? :sorry: I'm alittle out of the loop right now with movies. Diss did you mean Napoleon Dynamite bombed?

ontheEdgeof17
03-30-2005, 11:32 AM
Is Clue a movie? :sorry: I'm alittle out of the loop right now with movies. Diss did you mean Napoleon Dynamite bombed?


Clue is a movie... Diss has no clue why Clue bombed. :p

hayley
03-30-2005, 11:34 AM
Napoleon Dynamite totally did not bomb. It cost under half a million dollars and grossed over $40 million in the U.S.

God, I hated that movie. I felt my life force being sucked out the entire time I was sitting there. Through a straw. Jabbed in my eye.

ontheEdgeof17
03-30-2005, 11:36 AM
Clue is a movie... Diss has no clue why Clue bombed. :p


Wait. I'm confused, too.

SuzeQuze
03-30-2005, 11:49 AM
I thought it sucked too :nod:

Me too, I really didn't like it. I watched it for that dance scene and found that to be the only hilarious part. The reason I didn't like it is it did not make me laugh.

DrummerDeanna
03-30-2005, 11:50 AM
I didn't HATE Napoleon Dynamite - but I also didn't get what all the hype was about...the guy I saw it with thought it was the greatest movie ever - and I enjoyed it and all - but really have no desire to ever sit through it again :shrug:

dissention
03-30-2005, 11:54 AM
I was talking about Clue: The Movie, not Napoleon Dynamite. :) The one with Tim Curry and Lesley Ann Warren. It bombed, and I have no clue why because it's an awesome movie.

skcin
03-30-2005, 11:55 AM
Me too, I really didn't like it. I watched it for that dance scene and found that to be the only hilarious part. The reason I didn't like it is it did not make me laugh.


"Come on, Tina. Eat the food, Tina! Eat the FOOD!" did not make you laugh?

Or the weirdo chick leaving her stuff on his porch & running off?

Or the Liger, known both for it's beauty & magical powers. :laugh:

Or the brother's internet bride? :p

This movie is a classic, the damn thing has more stupid quotes than any other movie I've ever seen.

I love Napoleon Dynamite! :nod:

PS - Vote for Pedro

ontheEdgeof17
03-30-2005, 11:55 AM
I was talking about Clue: The Movie, not Napoleon Dynamite. :) The one with Tim Curry and Lesley Ann Warren. It bombed, and I have no clue why because it's an awesome movie.

I was right in the first place. :woohoo:

dissention
03-30-2005, 11:56 AM
Homan. Ow, my sentence structure.

My underrated movies are/were: Clue, Spiceworld.

Josh replies all "Yo, Clue's awesome lolz yay!*@! Too bad it bombizzled*!@*"

Confusion commences.

:laugh:

Clue is one of the funniest movies ever.

strandinthewind
03-30-2005, 11:58 AM
:laugh:

Clue is one of the funniest movies ever.

KUDOS to the late and great Kahn - I LOVED her :nod:

dissention
03-30-2005, 12:03 PM
KUDOS to the late and great Kahn - I LOVED her :nod:

:nod:

"It's a matter of life after death. Now that he's dead, I have a life."

Everyone in that movie was tops!

dissention
03-30-2005, 12:04 PM
Flames! On the side of my face! Big.. h-heaving... flames...!

Breathing....breathless...HEAVING BREATHS!

And my favorite:

"Life after death is as improbable as sex after marriage."

SuzeQuze
03-30-2005, 12:18 PM
"Come on, Tina. Eat the food, Tina! Eat the FOOD!" did not make you laugh?

Or the weirdo chick leaving her stuff on his porch & running off?

Or the Liger, known both for it's beauty & magical powers. :laugh:

Or the brother's internet bride? :p

This movie is a classic, the damn thing has more stupid quotes than any other movie I've ever seen.

I love Napoleon Dynamite! :nod:

PS - Vote for Pedro

Yup, the eat the food part made me laugh. :laugh: Forgot about that. But those moments were fewer than I thought they would be. :shrug: Mostly I was just quizzical.

Moony
03-30-2005, 12:35 PM
Diss, I loved A.I. :)

Napleon Dynamite was hysterical, people! I can see why some wouldn't like it though. I think most Indie movies are horribly underrated and I won't go to the trouble of listing them here. One movie I did see recently that I have never really heard mention of is "Arthur," with Dudley Moore? LOVE it. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the DVD release is only available in FULLSCREEN???? :mad: I. despise. fullscreen.

bikerchic
03-30-2005, 12:47 PM
Don't know if this movie was underrated but my favourite comedy after "Old School" of course was "See No Evil, Hear No Evil" with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor, this movie is freaken hilarious!! :lol: :lol:

skcin
03-30-2005, 12:50 PM
Don't know if this movie was underrated but my favourite comedy after "Old School" of course was "See No Evil, Hear No Evil" with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor, this movie is freaken hilarious!! :lol: :lol:

Old School is the best movie ever made.














Kidding of course, but it is one of my faves. LOL every time. :nod:

SuzeQuze
03-30-2005, 01:08 PM
Old School is the best movie ever made.

Kidding of course, but it is one of my faves. LOL every time. :nod:

That movie was so funny!

"Honey, what are you doing?"

"We're streaking!"

"Who's we?"

:laugh: I gotta see that again! :blob1: :blob2:

cliffdweller
03-30-2005, 02:07 PM
Did you ever see No Such Thing with Sarah Polley and Julie Christie? That's my favorite Hartley movie. :nod:

Not yet. But I'm going to, I'll probably just check it out of the campus library cuz everytime we go rent a movie I always end up getting something else!

I love Sarah Polley. Have you seen the Sweet Hereafter? She's in it and has a pivotal role. Add that to the underrated movie list.

cliffdweller
03-30-2005, 02:10 PM
"Come on, Tina. Eat the food, Tina! Eat the FOOD!" did not make you laugh?

"Tina come eat some DINNERRRRRRR!!" cracked me up.

I also loved it when the grandmother tells Napolean to "just eat a damn quesadilla" but pronounces the "ll's" in "quesadilla. For some reason that had me rolling!

dissention
03-30-2005, 02:11 PM
Not yet. But I'm going to, I'll probably just check it out of the campus library cuz everytime we go rent a movie I always end up getting something else!

I love Sarah Polley. Have you seen the Sweet Hereafter? She's in it and has a pivotal role. Add that to the underrated movie list.

:nod: Great movie! I like Atom Egoyan, he's very good. He made a fab movie with Bob Hoskins called Felicia's Journey and it's chilling.

cliffdweller
03-30-2005, 02:22 PM
He made a fab movie with Bob Hoskins called Felicia's Journey and it's chilling.

I saw that! It was very good, I liked it a lot. Bob Hoskins was creepy as hell! I think Atom Egoyan is un underrated director. There's a certain amount of alienation and "disconnectedness" that I really appreciate in his films. Have you read the book The Sweet Hereafter by Russell Banks? I think it's stellar and in some ways much unlike the film. But both are good.

Serrart
03-30-2005, 03:58 PM
Ang Lee is a favourite of mine aswell. As much as I admire someone who pulls off their particular style brilliantly and effectively, Ang Lee amazes me more because I wouldn't think he has a particular style. What I mean is that for example, I love Christopher Guest, he's brilliant at what he does but I see his films and it's a Christopher Guest film. When you look at Ang Lee's catalogue I'm more amazed at how varied and effective each is. As a pathetic, aspiring filmmaker it just makes you think "****, that was one of his aswell?". It's not a pretentious catalogue but it shows more skill than doing one thing brilliantly. On top of that, I find The Ice Storm to be brilliant.

I did my degree thesis on him :nod: . He has a natural grace and incredible versatility. I especially love the way he portrays women, with his sensitive glance, careful to show without words the complexity and richness of his characters. And all is done with such a concrete lightness, a quality that most of the western directors have lost.

Romy

Serrart
03-30-2005, 04:03 PM
I saw that! It was very good, I liked it a lot. Bob Hoskins was creepy as hell! I think Atom Egoyan is un underrated director. There's a certain amount of alienation and "disconnectedness" that I really appreciate in his films. Have you read the book The Sweet Hereafter by Russell Banks? I think it's stellar and in some ways much unlike the film. But both are good.

I totally agree. Atom Egoyan is a great director, I both like The Sweet Hereafter and Felicia's Journey but the one that I still prefer is Exotica. :)

Romy

ShamHy89
03-30-2005, 04:32 PM
Clue is one of the funniest movies ever.
:nod:
Tim Curry was fantastic in it. I'm pretty sure it was the first DVD I ever bought. I love that movie.

"I'm going home to sleep with my wife."

Shamus