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77Rumours77
03-18-2005, 11:59 PM
Some more tour rumours are popping up everyday. Someone of these really catch my eye...
i/e/ Boston/Styx and Aerosmith/Van Halen :blob2: although no mention of Stevie and Don though.....

Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/03/11/summer_promises_many_concert_highlights/
Major acts such as Paul McCartney and the Rolling Stones aren't expected until the fall, but the coming months will be flush with tours by Toby Keith, Tim McGraw, Destiny's Child, String Cheese Incident, and classic-rock packages of Boston and Styx, Robert Plant and Jeff Beck, and perhaps Aerosmith and Van Halen, according to various promoters and agents.

Many tours will land at the Tweeter Center, where Oasis and Jet are confirmed for a 20th anniversary show on June 24 (already on sale). Fans can also look to the Tweeter for Green Day, the Dave Matthews Band, and Ozzfest, along with a possible date by Josh Groban and maybe a Kenny Chesney/Gretchen Wilson double bill or an Alan Jackson/Sara Evans pairing.

Yet another classic-rock tour -- featuring Bryan Adams and Def Leppard -- will play Brockton's minor-league ballpark, Campanelli Stadium, where Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson headlined last year.

The punk-oriented Vans Warped Tour will move from the Gillette Stadium parking lot to the Northampton Fairgrounds (look for an Aug. 15 date to be posted Monday on the Vans Warped website). The change is because promoter John Peters of MassConcerts was frustrated last year with his treatment by the Foxborough board of selectmen, which he says held up the show until the last minute. Gillette officials also wanted to bring it inside the stadium rather than have it in the parking lot, but Vans Warped organizers said no.

''We're going back to a place where people want it," Peters says.

Also, the WBCN River Rave, which is normally held at the Tweeter Center in June, may be pushed back or may not happen at all this summer.

''If I can't offer something that is worth the money to plunk down, then I'm not going to do it at all," says WBCN program director Dave Wellington. ''Each year it gets tougher. . . . Many groups don't like doing radio station shows because there are a lot of poorly run shows around the country and they've gotten a bad rap."

The big buzz is about a stadium show featuring Eminem, 50 Cent, and Linkin Park, but no one is yet confirming if it will come to Gillette Stadium.

Other acts expected to book Boston-area dates are Coldplay, Velvet Revolver (who plays the Mullins Center in Amherst May 3), Tool, Staind, Brian Wilson (whose website posts an Aug. 9 date at Bank of America Pavilion, formerly FleetBoston Pavilion), and another ''American Idol" tour (likely at the DCU Center in Worcester). Also of interest is a possible Audioslave/System of a Down pairing, though that's not likely until the fall.

dissention
03-19-2005, 12:03 AM
The Mullins Center is the pits, man. I got into a fight with someone at a Smashing Pumpkins (bite me, this was the nineties) concert there once after they blew pot smoke in my face. Threw my coke right at them. :laugh:

I actually might brave the tweens and see Destiny's Child. I am endlessly fascinated by Beyonce, I think she's quite a talent.

Dreammms
03-19-2005, 12:26 AM
Smashing Pumpkins (bite me, this was the nineties)

lol nothing wrong with the Smashing Pumpkins.

I actually might brave the tweens and see Destiny's Child. I am endlessly fascinated by Beyonce, I think she's quite a talent.

I am thinking about going too. I am sure it will be tons of fun. :)

ryan8472
03-19-2005, 07:55 AM
Cool, the Plant/Beck thing sounds like a good show. And a double bill of Aerosmith/Van Halen would be huge. :nod: Not to mention U2 coming here in the fall. I guess I'll still be dishing out the cash even tho the Mac isn't touring. :p

WelshWitchPMD
03-19-2005, 10:51 AM
Some more tour rumours are popping up everyday. Someone of these really catch my eye...
i/e/ Boston/Styx and Aerosmith/Van Halen :blob2: although no mention of Stevie and Don though.....




Check out the Stevie board for my post about that.

Also I heard on the radio yesterday that Queen and Paul Rodgers will tour the US in the fall doing both Queen and Bad Company songs and maybe more.

Miss Vicky
03-19-2005, 11:00 AM
I actually might brave the tweens and see Destiny's Child. I am endlessly fascinated by Beyonce, I think she's quite a talent.

Oh yeah-- wrapping herself in furs, showing off her big ass, and calling herself 'bootylicious' is talented alright. :thumbsup: :rolleyes: Ugh, I can't stand that little (insert derogatory word here)!

Don't get me wrong, she is sexy. But talented? Absolutely not.

wondergirl9847
03-19-2005, 12:18 PM
Who sings lead in Van Halen these days? Is Sammy back?

CreepingDeath
03-19-2005, 04:29 PM
Who sings lead in Van Halen these days? Is Sammy back?

Yep, it's Sammy. I saw them a couple times last year. (Even though Sammy Hagar grates on my nerves like few others).


I might try and fare Ozzfest this year, since Iron Maiden is Rumoured to be there. Seeing them with Black Sabbath on the same night would be ace. :thumbsup:

paperdoll
03-19-2005, 06:21 PM
I know I'll definately be going to see Paul McCartney. I caught him on his last tour and that was my first time seeing him. I never thought I'd get to see him ONCE in my lifetime. Getting to see him a second time is a dream come true for me. It's like getting to see FM again :) On my wish list of course is Stevie, since I've never gotten to see her solo.
--Amy

WildInTheWind
03-19-2005, 06:43 PM
Has anyone else heard anything about this Cream reunion tour that is supposed to be happening? That is something I'd like to see!

dissention
03-19-2005, 08:04 PM
Oh yeah-- wrapping herself in furs, showing off her big ass, and calling herself 'bootylicious' is talented alright. :thumbsup: :rolleyes: Ugh, I can't stand that little (insert derogatory word here)!

Don't get me wrong, she is sexy. But talented? Absolutely not.

Those statements coming from a Justin Timberlake fan do not hold much weight, my dear. :p

estranged4life
03-19-2005, 08:19 PM
be touring anytime soon according to recent interviews with bassist Michael Anthony, Who has publicly said "Unless Edward cleans himself up there will be no more touring for Van Halen or any studio work".

Michael Anthony is goin' out on tour with Sammy Hagar this summer regardless of the Van Halen situation.

Only tours I am really interested in seeing (At this time) are the Judas Priest/Queensryche/Dokken (Dokken is being rumored as the opening act) tour & the upcoming 2005 Dream Theater World Tour in support of their June 28 release "Octavium"...Def Leppard/Bryan Adams is playing OKC so I may see that tour too.

Miss Vicky
03-20-2005, 12:38 PM
Those statements coming from a Justin Timberlake fan do not hold much weight, my dear. :p

Me? A Justin Timberlake fan? Umm. No. I liked 'Justified' but that doesn't make me a fan. Besides, if I hadn't found the cd for as cheap as I did (about $5) I would never have bought it at all.
Beyonce? You'd have to pay me to get me to listen to her sh*t.

dissention
03-20-2005, 12:43 PM
Me? A Justin Timberlake fan? Umm. No. I liked 'Justified' but that doesn't make me a fan. Besides, if I hadn't found the cd for as cheap as I did (about $5) I would never have bought it at all.
Beyonce? You'd have to pay me to get me to listen to her sh*t.

You certainly couldn't get me to pay to listen to Justin's ****, not even five cents. He thinks he's the second coming of Michael Jackson, boy grates on me like nails on a chalkboard. Sounds like someone is tweaking his balls every time he sings. Either that or he hasn't hit puberty quite yet.

skcin
03-20-2005, 01:19 PM
You certainly couldn't get me to pay to listen to Justin's ****, not even five cents. He thinks he's the second coming of Michael Jackson, boy grates on me like nails on a chalkboard. Sounds like someone is tweaking his balls every time he sings. Either that or he hasn't hit puberty quite yet.


I'd do him. :shrug:
Ever since he grew some facial hair & shaved that afro. Yum. :nod:

I think Beyonce can sing, but it's not like she's an accomplished songwriter or anything. Eh.

The only show I'm going to this year as of now is Motley Crue. I'm just pissed that my SIL bought the $50 seats, as I was content to sit on the lawn for $15. Dumb bitch. Darien Lake sucks for concerts, so hopefully it's a damn good show.

Anyway, I'd be interested in Priest/Queensryche (as would my best friend, who was obsessed with both of those bands for years.) I'd see Sir Paul if he came around. Still waiting on Petty. Velvet Revolver has already cancelled their Buffalo show, so no worries there.

dissention
03-20-2005, 01:35 PM
I'd do him. :shrug:
Ever since he grew some facial hair & shaved that afro. Yum. :nod:

Ick. He's too twinky. :laugh:

skcin
03-20-2005, 01:48 PM
Ick. He's too twinky. :laugh:


MMMMMmmmmmm, white creamy goodness... :laugh:

dissention
03-20-2005, 01:51 PM
MMMMMmmmmmm, white creamy goodness... :laugh:

Sounds like something being whispered while he and Britney were in the sack. :o

Seriously, gimme a man, not a boy!

ontheEdgeof17
03-20-2005, 02:04 PM
Sounds like something being whispered while he and Britney were in the sack. :o

Seriously, gimme a man, not a boy!

Anybody seen the Wendy Williams show on VH1? One time she asked JT, "Have your ever seen Britney do crack?" :lol:

dissention
03-20-2005, 03:46 PM
Anybody seen the Wendy Williams show on VH1? One time she asked JT, "Have your ever seen Britney do crack?" :lol:

Wendy is a hoot, I love her.

I had my fill of Timberlake when he publicly stated that he gone downtown on Hootchie Spears. To do that on her is bad enough, but to tell us is even worse. :o

CreepingDeath
03-20-2005, 03:50 PM
Wendy is a hoot, I love her.

I had my fill of Timberlake when he publicly stated that he gone downtown on Hootchie Spears. To do that on her is bad enough, but to tell us is even worse. :o

:shocked:

Now, there's something I really, really, really didn't need to know. I think I'll go throw up a little.

dissention
03-20-2005, 03:52 PM
:shocked:

Now, there's something I really, really, really didn't need to know. I think I'll go throw up a little.

Join the club. I threw up in my mouth a little as I typed it.

What a heinous visual. Blech.

amber
03-20-2005, 04:38 PM
Join the club. I threw up in my mouth a little as I typed it.

What a heinous visual. Blech.
It was even worse when I read it, then glanced up at your avatar... :laugh:

dissention
03-20-2005, 04:41 PM
It was even worse when I read it, then glanced up at your avatar... :laugh:

:lol::lol::lol:

amber
03-20-2005, 04:46 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
I just got back from getting Huckabees and Alfie, BTW. And a Taco, but...
Garden State was pretty good, especially for a first effort. Natalie gave a nice, nuanced little performance, I thought. :nod: My favorite was his trashy blond guy friend? Who gets his mom's necklace back for him? I think that guy is good. But, I'm threadjacking, so... :sorry:

dissention
03-20-2005, 04:53 PM
I just got back from getting Huckabees and Alfie, BTW. And a Taco, but...
Garden State was pretty good, especially for a first effort. Natalie gave a nice, nuanced little performance, I thought. :nod: My favorite was his trashy blond guy friend? Who gets his mom's necklace back for him? I think that guy is good. But, I'm threadjacking, so... :sorry:

F*ck it, I love to threadjack!

My favorite part in Garden State was when she took him to her house after he went to the shrink and she does that silly little dance and makes those noises "because no one has ever done that exact same thing before." :laugh: That **** had me on the floor. It was such a good movie, loved it. And wasn't Jean Smart a riot as that kids ho for a mom?!

Huckabees and Alfie. <333333333 :thumbsup: Sarandon is so hot in Alfie. She's just stunning, period. And Law is so hot during the end of Huckabees when he's all disheveled and sweaty and dirty. :laugh: Hope you like them...

dissention
03-20-2005, 04:58 PM
Oh, and Isabelle Huppert is one of the most sexiest women I've ever seen in my life. I dare you to disagree after watching Huckabees. :laugh: That accent, oh my word.

amber
03-20-2005, 04:58 PM
F*ck it, I love to threadjack!

My favorite part in Garden State was when she took him to her house after he went to the shrink and she does that silly little dance and makes those noises "because no one has ever done that exact same thing before." :laugh: That **** had me on the floor. It was such a good movie, loved it. And wasn't Jean Smart a riot as that kids ho for a mom?!

Huckabees and Alfie. <333333333 :thumbsup: Sarandon is so hot in Alfie. She's just stunning, period. And Law is so hot during the end of Huckabees when he's all disheveled and sweaty and dirty. :laugh: Hope you like them...
I liked the scene in the house, too, but I liked how she was all "you're totally freaking out right now, aren't you? You can go, if you want" cause that's totally what I would say... :p And when she was sobbing while he was about to leave - that was a nice moment that I totally understood. :nod: And YES, I loved the part with Jean Smart! The whole scene was great. Again, I like that blond guy...I have to admit, I kept thinking that I kinda wished Zack Braff (or however) looked like someone else...he was ok, though.
Im going to watch Alfie, first, after i get a handle on this taco i'm wrestling with... :laugh:

amber
03-20-2005, 04:59 PM
Oh, and Isabelle Huppert is one of the most sexiest women I've ever seen in my life. I dare you to disagree after watching Huckabees. :laugh: That accent, oh my word.
I already like Isabelle, but haven't thought of her as incredibly sexy. (just didn't think about it) But, hey, she's an older french woman who is an exceptional actress. :shrug: I'd be suprised if she wasn't sexy... :laugh:

dissention
03-20-2005, 05:01 PM
I liked the scene in the house, too, but I liked how she was all "you're totally freaking out right now, aren't you? You can go, if you want" cause that's totally what I would say... :p And when she was sobbing while he was about to leave - that was a nice moment that I totally understood. :nod: And YES, I loved the part with Jean Smart! The whole scene was great. Again, I like that blond guy...I have to admit, I kept thinking that I kinda wished Zack Braff (or however) looked like someone else...he was ok, though.
Im going to watch Alfie, first, after i get a handle on this taco i'm wrestling with... :laugh:

Oy, I have to buy that movie. I have a yearning to watch it now. -_- I loved the part when he was laughing about the pet cemetary and she got all serious on him. Gawd, that movie was so good. It should have gotten some Oscar nods, dammit. Zach Braff is quite talented and I love Scrubs (the only good sitcom on TV these days).

dissention
03-20-2005, 05:03 PM
I already like Isabelle, but haven't thought of her as incredibly sexy. (just didn't think about it) But, hey, she's an older french woman who is an exceptional actress. :shrug: I'd be suprised if she wasn't sexy... :laugh:

She's very plain, but for some reason she's just incredibly sexy to me. Especially in that movie. Maybe it had to with her character, who knows, but she's smokin'.

amber
03-20-2005, 05:06 PM
Oy, I have to buy that movie. I have a yearning to watch it now. -_- I loved the part when he was laughing about the pet cemetary and she got all serious on him. Gawd, that movie was so good. It should have gotten some Oscar nods, dammit. Zach Braff is quite talented and I love Scrubs (the only good sitcom on TV these days).
really? I didn't think it was quite Oscar worthy, just good, a nice little movie. But, maybe I'm thinking that because there wasn't much to it - but also I think that's part of why it was good. He really just told it as a story, he didn't feel the need to punctuate everything, and tell you how to feel about it, which I appreciate. And there were lots of strange parts, but again, he didn't hit you over the head with it, it was just how it was - life is kind of strange. Zack Braff is okay, I'm not sure I liked him in this role. Course, I may just not like how he looks... :p Anyway, it didn't really detract from the movie much, so it's not a big deal...

amber
03-20-2005, 05:09 PM
She's very plain, but for some reason she's just incredibly sexy to me. Especially in that movie. Maybe it had to with her character, who knows, but she's smokin'.
Maybe it's cause she's a Pisces? :laugh: :p ;) (March 16) No, she is sexy, i've seen her be so before. At first when I saw her I thought "she's not very pretty", then I changed my mind and didn't care. I think it was...that book...Madame Bovary, that's it. Anyways...

dissention
03-20-2005, 05:11 PM
really? I didn't think it was quite Oscar worthy, just good, a nice little movie. But, maybe I'm thinking that because there wasn't much to it - but also I think that's part of why it was good. He really just told it as a story, he didn't feel the need to punctuate everything, and tell you how to feel about it, which I appreciate. And there were lots of strange parts, but again, he didn't hit you over the head with it, it was just how it was - life is kind of strange. Zack Braff is okay, I'm not sure I liked him in this role. Course, I may just not like how he looks... :p Anyway, it didn't really detract from the movie much, so it's not a big deal...

I thought the script should have been nominated and Natalie Portman was better in Garden State than she was in Closer (*shudder* Toothy Roberts *shudder*), IMO. :nod: I just thought the whole thing was perfection, except maybe the ending, it was too pat. I think I liked it because it didn't seem forced or fake like most other movies.

dissention
03-20-2005, 05:14 PM
Maybe it's cause she's a Pisces? :laugh: :p ;) (March 16) No, she is sexy, i've seen her be so before. At first when I saw her I thought "she's not very pretty", then I changed my mind and didn't care. I think it was...that book...Madame Bovary, that's it. Anyways...

Christ, I'm finding out that almost all the movie stars I have crushes on are Pisces. :laugh:

She's a good actress, I like her. And she gets props for that sex scene in Huckabees, my word. You couldn't have paid me to do that ****.

amber
03-20-2005, 05:19 PM
I thought the script should have been nominated and Natalie Portman was better in Garden State than she was in Closer (*shudder* Toothy Roberts *shudder*), IMO. :nod: I just thought the whole thing was perfection, except maybe the ending, it was too pat. I think I liked it because it didn't seem forced or fake like most other movies.
That is why I liked the movie, too. :nod:
But to be honest, Natalie's performance didn't seem earth shattering to me. :shrug: It actually seemed to me that it would be a really easy part to play...she did a great job, but again, easy part. IMO. Not to diminish her performance, I don't think anyone else could've done better, but... :shrug:
Anyway, I loved the movie, just not quite as much as you... :p :xoxo:

amber
03-20-2005, 05:21 PM
Christ, I'm finding out that almost all the movie stars I have crushes on are Pisces. :laugh:

She's a good actress, I like her. And she gets props for that sex scene in Huckabees, my word. You couldn't have paid me to do that ****.
ooo, that's a nice little tease for me, now I can't wait...Is it gross? Is it bizarre? Is it with an animal? why wouldn't you do it? *curiosity at fever pitch level* :laugh:

amber
03-20-2005, 05:22 PM
Woah, Amber!
You're almost up to 10,000 on the post count. Are we gonna have a Ledgie party when you reach that milestone?
Hi, sweetie! Yeah, I think I'll give the other ledgies a party and shut my mouth for a few days! :laugh:

GardenStateGirlie
03-20-2005, 05:23 PM
The Mullins Center is the pits, man. I got into a fight with someone at a Smashing Pumpkins (bite me, this was the nineties) concert there once after they blew pot smoke in my face. Threw my coke right at them. :laugh:

I actually might brave the tweens and see Destiny's Child. I am endlessly fascinated by Beyonce, I think she's quite a talent.

Raise your hand if you used to sing "despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage," randomly? :o

I had some crazy bitch behind me at the Camden show throw coke on myself and some people next to me. I turned around and laughed. She was BEYOND drunk.

Destiny's Child?!?! :lol: I'd pay to see you with that lot.

GardenStateGirlie
03-20-2005, 05:25 PM
I know I'll definately be going to see Paul McCartney. I caught him on his last tour and that was my first time seeing him. I never thought I'd get to see him ONCE in my lifetime. Getting to see him a second time is a dream come true for me. It's like getting to see FM again :) On my wish list of course is Stevie, since I've never gotten to see her solo.
--Amy

I HAVE to see Paul at least once in my lifetime before he finally decides to call it quits. Same goes for Eric Clapton. I hear he puts on one hell of a show.

GardenStateGirlie
03-20-2005, 05:32 PM
F*ck it, I love to threadjack!

My favorite part in Garden State was when she took him to her house after he went to the shrink and she does that silly little dance and makes those noises "because no one has ever done that exact same thing before." :laugh: That **** had me on the floor. It was such a good movie, loved it. And wasn't Jean Smart a riot as that kids ho for a mom?!


Jean Smart was great. Good to see her back on screen :nod: I love when they first meet in the doctors office and she's all, "Ooh, great job man! I really thought you were retarded. I mean, you're better than that Corky kid and he's actually retarded. If there was a retarded Oscar you would win, hands down, kick his ass!" :laugh:

I think I need to watch that today--that and French Kiss... "my ass is twitching...you people make my ass twitch."

dissention
03-20-2005, 05:48 PM
ooo, that's a nice little tease for me, now I can't wait...Is it gross? Is it bizarre? Is it with an animal? why wouldn't you do it? *curiosity at fever pitch level* :laugh:

Oy, it's beyond bizarre. I'm not a dirt fiend, so...

But I don't want to spoil it for you, it's one of the funniest scenes. Did you rent the two-disc version? The making-of doc on the second disc is priceless. Jude Law and Dustin Hoffman with long hair and tits. Love it! :laugh:

dissention
03-20-2005, 05:50 PM
Raise your hand if you used to sing "despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage," randomly? :o

:wavey:

But I never had rage issues, so I suppose I was a poseur.

I still think Tonight Tonight is still a damn fine song, though.

I had some crazy bitch behind me at the Camden show throw coke on myself and some people next to me. I turned around and laughed. She was BEYOND drunk.

I would have pushed her to make her fall flat on her ass.

Destiny's Child?!?! :lol: I'd pay to see you with that lot.

Nah, I'm not going. But I love Beyonce and don't give a fiddler's fart what anyone says. :p

amber
03-20-2005, 06:25 PM
Oy, it's beyond bizarre. I'm not a dirt fiend, so...

But I don't want to spoil it for you, it's one of the funniest scenes. Did you rent the two-disc version? The making-of doc on the second disc is priceless. Jude Law and Dustin Hoffman with long hair and tits. Love it! :laugh:
yeah, looks like I did rent the two disk one.
I'm in the middle of Alfie, now.

dissention
03-20-2005, 06:39 PM
yeah, looks like I did rent the two disk one.

Score!

I'm in the middle of Alfie, now.

I'm going to stop calling it Alfie and will now refer to it as Yum-ie. :laugh:

skcin
03-20-2005, 06:59 PM
I love when they first meet in the doctors office and she's all, "Ooh, great job man! I really thought you were retarded. I mean, you're better than that Corky kid and he's actually retarded. If there was a retarded Oscar you would win, hands down, kick his ass!" :laugh:


That scene? :laugh: Had me rolling on the floor. Also huge fan of:

The shirt that matches the wall.

"You have the word 'balls' written on your forehead."

"Yeah, we'll head over to the party after we bury your mom."

Loved Garden State, love Scrubs. Zach Braff is a gem. :nod:

amber
03-20-2005, 07:48 PM
Score!



I'm going to stop calling it Alfie and will now refer to it as Yum-ie. :laugh:
Good plan. They sure got a phenomenal cast of ladies for this. :) I don't love the "talking to the camera" thing, but otherwise I really liked it. Bit devastating in some parts, which was great.

dissention
03-20-2005, 08:08 PM
Good plan. They sure got a phenomenal cast of ladies for this. :) I don't love the "talking to the camera" thing, but otherwise I really liked it. Bit devastating in some parts, which was great.

I generally *loathe* when characters talk to the camera, but I thought it worked in that movie. Probably because he's so pretty. :laugh:

That scene at the doctor's office had me in stitches, I must tell you. Going to the doctor for those kinds of things is just as painful as it looked. :nod:

amber
03-20-2005, 08:09 PM
I generally *loathe* when characters talk to the camera, but I thought it worked in that movie. Probably because he's so pretty. :laugh:

That scene at the doctor's office had me in stitches, I must tell you. Going to the doctor for those kinds of things is just as painful as it looked. :nod:
And the doctor! :shocked: Geesh, whatta mug! I didn't think the talking to the camera exactly "worked" but I didn't die, and yes, it made it better that it was him. In the opening scenes while he was doing that, I thought the writing was a bit trite and that he was mugging a bit much, but the movie soon settled down. :nod:

dissention
03-20-2005, 08:18 PM
And the doctor! :shocked: Geesh, whatta mug! I didn't think the talking to the camera exactly "worked" but I didn't die, and yes, it made it better that it was him. In the opening scenes while he was doing that, I thought the writing was a bit trite and that he was mugging a bit much, but the movie soon settled down. :nod:

It was trite, for sure, but everything he said had a ring of truth to it. :laugh: I was on the floor when he gave Big Ben a spray of cologne. I thought I was the only one who did that.

If that was my doctor, I wouldn't let him anywhere near my equipment. It's bad enough that they poke at you with those cold gloves, but if my doc had that voice, I'd die. :laugh:

amber
03-20-2005, 08:24 PM
It was trite, for sure, but everything he said had a ring of truth to it. :laugh: I was on the floor when he gave Big Ben a spray of cologne. I thought I was the only one who did that.

If that was my doctor, I wouldn't let him anywhere near my equipment. It's bad enough that they poke at you with those cold gloves, but if my doc had that voice, I'd die. :laugh:
um, and those eyes, and that hair? (the doctor). Yeah, that was funny. I actually assumed everyone gave uh..."big ben" a squirt, but... :shrug: :laugh: But then I was thinking about how bad cologne tastes, and.... :laugh:
There were a lot of nice, sexy scenes in the movie, which was awesome. :nod:

dissention
03-20-2005, 08:29 PM
um, and those eyes, and that hair? (the doctor). Yeah, that was funny. I actually assumed everyone gave uh..."big ben" a squirt, but... :shrug: :laugh: But then I was thinking about how bad cologne tastes, and.... :laugh:

Not everyone. Men are nasty. "Stinkycrotch" is something that probably affects the majority of them. One breeze through a mens bathroom and you'd know why.

There were a lot of nice, sexy scenes in the movie, which was awesome. :nod:

That scene with Sarandon, oh my. I got aroused. :laugh:

amber
03-20-2005, 08:42 PM
Not everyone. Men are nasty. "Stinkycrotch" is something that probably affects the majority of them. One breeze through a mens bathroom and you'd know why.
I guess so, but remember cologne really does taste bad.



That scene with Sarandon, oh my. I got aroused. :laugh:
No! You're kidding? :lol: That one and the one with Nia Long (my personal fave) were pretty smokin. :thumbsup:
Innyways... :p

GardenStateGirlie
03-20-2005, 08:47 PM
That scene? :laugh: Had me rolling on the floor. Also huge fan of:

The shirt that matches the wall.

"You have the word 'balls' written on your forehead."

"Yeah, we'll head over to the party after we bury your mom."

Loved Garden State, love Scrubs. Zach Braff is a gem. :nod:


:laugh:

The whole bit with Carol before she leaves for work...

"Oh...guys? Don't stay in here all day. I had to take the batteries out of the carbon monoxide detector; it was beeping all night."

dissention
03-20-2005, 08:47 PM
I guess so, but remember cologne really does taste bad.

Well, it's not like you're dousing your equipment in it, dear. :laugh: Just a quick spray.

No! You're kidding? :lol: That one and the one with Nia Long (my personal fave) were pretty smokin. :thumbsup:
Innyways... :p

That was a good one, too, but I can't begin to tell you how much I despise wifebeater shirts. They offend me on such a visceral level and on Jude Law it is no different. :o

I also liked the scene with Jane Krakowski in the back of the limo...

amber
03-20-2005, 08:52 PM
Well, it's not like you're dousing your equipment in it, dear. :laugh: Just a quick spray.



That was a good one, too, but I can't begin to tell you how much I despise wifebeater shirts. They offend me on such a visceral level and on Jude Law it is no different. :o

I also liked the scene with Jane Krakowski in the back of the limo...
I didn't like how he and Nia Long were smoking at each other. That was kind of gross, and as you know, I smoke. But otherwise...I didn't really notice the wifebeater, I did keep thinking..."that? sure is a lot of shots." :shocked:
Oh, and just put a tiny bit of cologne on your tongue...yummy? or not so? :laugh:

dissention
03-20-2005, 09:10 PM
I didn't like how he and Nia Long were smoking at each other. That was kind of gross, and as you know, I smoke. But otherwise...I didn't really notice the wifebeater, I did keep thinking..."that? sure is a lot of shots." :shocked:
Oh, and just put a tiny bit of cologne on your tongue...yummy? or not so? :laugh:

Smoking grosses me out, period. :sorry: Jude Law could invite me up to his flat for a roll about, but if he had a fag hanging from his lips, I'd turn him down. :laugh:

And I've never tasted cologne. :lol:

amber
03-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Smoking grosses me out, period. :sorry: Jude Law could invite me up to his flat for a roll about, but if he had a fag hanging from his lips, I'd turn him down. :laugh:

And I've never tasted cologne. :lol:
I figured you hadn't, but if you do, you'll see what I mean.
Wouldn't you just say "Hey, can you put that out?"?. If it was Jude Law, I'd try to find a compromise. And, wouldn't your goal actually be to get him to a have a fag hanging from his lip? ;) :cool:

dissention
03-20-2005, 09:17 PM
I figured you hadn't, but if you do, you'll see what I mean.
Wouldn't you just say "Hey, can you put that out?"?. If it was Jude Law, I'd try to find a compromise. And, wouldn't your goal actually be to get him to a have a fag hanging from his lip? ;) :cool:

:laugh: Oh, I suppose. :laugh:

I was obviously exaggerating. :laugh: I'd hand him some listerine and all would be well in the world.

amber
03-20-2005, 09:45 PM
I'm starting Huckabees now. :) It's already funny, of course.

dissention
03-20-2005, 09:49 PM
I'm starting Huckabees now. :) It's already funny, of course.

****abees!

You rock, rock.

:lol:

"Have you ever transcended space and time?"
"Time, yes, but not space. No, I have no idea what you're talking about."

amber
03-20-2005, 09:52 PM
****abees!

You rock, rock.

:lol:

"Have you ever transcended space and time?"
"Time, yes, but not space. No, I have no idea what you're talking about."
:lol: yep, exactly the parts i've seen so far, with a bit more. I like Schwartzman, here. :nod:

dissention
03-20-2005, 09:57 PM
:lol: yep, exactly the parts i've seen so far, with a bit more. I like Schwartzman, here. :nod:

My favorite:

"This is me and this is you and this is the Eiffel Tower and this is an ORGASM and this a hamburg."

:laugh:

amber
03-20-2005, 11:27 PM
My favorite:

"This is me and this is you and this is the Eiffel Tower and this is an ORGASM and this a hamburg."

:laugh:
Ok, I saw the dirt part. It was ok at first, until...face...kissing.... :shocked:
Mark Wahlberg is hilarious. :laugh:

dissention
03-20-2005, 11:41 PM
Ok, I saw the dirt part. It was ok at first, until...face...kissing.... :shocked:
Mark Wahlberg is hilarious. :laugh:

Isn't it a great movie? I *love* it.

"Don't call it the ball thing, call it pure being."

I popped it in and have been watching it for the past hour and a half myself. :laugh:

GardenStateGirlie
03-20-2005, 11:43 PM
I'm going to have to get around to renting it :nod:

dissention
03-20-2005, 11:46 PM
I'm going to have to get around to renting it :nod:

Oh, you must. Even though David O. Russell is a scumbag, he's a genius. Jude Law and Naomi Watts are just fantastic in it. The whole cast is, actually.

And if you get the two-disc DVD, you can see what has become of Natalie from The Facts of Life :laugh:

amber
03-20-2005, 11:59 PM
Isn't it a great movie? I *love* it.

"Don't call it the ball thing, call it pure being."

I popped it in and have been watching it for the past hour and a half myself. :laugh:
I just finished it. That was great. I'm going to watch the extras after TV is all over (boston legal). I wish it was longer... :D
God I hated Natalie from Facts. Extras will be shnazz, though.

dissention
03-21-2005, 12:19 AM
I just finished it. That was great. I'm going to watch the extras after TV is all over (boston legal). I wish it was longer... :D
God I hated Natalie from Facts. Extras will be shnazz, though.

The extras are just as good as the movie. So much so that I actually spent $30 on the DVDs. :rolleyes: The making-of doc is priceless. I dare you not to roll on the floor laughing your ass off. The Charlie Rose segment is quite good, too, especially when Hoffman and Tomlin talk. The deleted scenes are quite entertaining, too. And wasn't Jude Law hot as all get out towards the end? :laugh:

amber
03-21-2005, 12:22 AM
The extras are just as good as the movie. So much so that I actually spent $30 on the DVDs. :rolleyes: The making-of doc is priceless. I dare you not to roll on the floor laughing your ass off. The Charlie Rose segment is quite good, too, especially when Hoffman and Tomlin talk. The deleted scenes are quite entertaining, too. And wasn't Jude Law hot as all get out towards the end? :laugh:
yeah, except he was wet. looked all sad and skinny. :lol: He was still hot, though.

dissention
03-21-2005, 12:25 AM
yeah, except he was wet. looked all sad and skinny. :lol: He was still hot, though.

I know, he was all dirty and sweaty and disheveled. :laugh: Certainly made me hot. No need to take a shower, dear, just hop into bed.

amber
03-21-2005, 02:30 AM
Omigod, Jude Law and Jason Schwartzman wearing the boobs! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: And I can't believe Talia Shire is his mom, she's pretty. But I thought it was cool she played his mom (jason schwartzman).
When Isabelle was talking to the camera for the documentary part....she was relegated quickly to "on my list". :) She's hawt. But, I do like freckles... :p
Omigod! Then Dustin Hoffman has the boobs on, for his birthday! Bwah! :lol: Those were really good boobs, I thought (during the movie) that they were Isabelle's - you know, cause they are freckly? Anyway...I love this behind the scenes documentary **** as much, if not more, than the movie. "I love it. I LOVE it." (to quote Stevie from the Angel doc)
Omigosh, I just saw Natalie (barf) from FOL in the office scene....god, she was bad, I hated her. But I'm still glad she has work... :laugh:
Did you see Jason S's Tom Cruise impressions? (they're both "in my contract" btw) pretty funny. He kinda looks like him, but uglier... :lol:

dissention
03-21-2005, 09:53 AM
Omigod, Jude Law and Jason Schwartzman wearing the boobs! :lol: :lol: And I can't believe Talia Shire is his mom, she's pretty. But I thought it was cool she played his mom (jason schwartzman).
When Isabelle was talking to the camera for the documentary part....she was relegated quickly to "on my list". :) She's hawt. But, I do like freckles... :p
Omigod! Then Dustin Hoffman has the boobs on, for his birthday! Bwah! :lol: Those were really good boobs, I thought (during the movie) that they were Isabelle's - you know, cause they are freckly? Anyway...I love this behind the scenes documentary **** as much, if not more, than the movie. "I love it. I LOVE it." (to quote Stevie from the Angel doc)
Omigosh, I just saw Natalie (barf) from FOL in the office scene....god, she was bad, I hated her. But I'm still glad she has work... :laugh:
Did you see Jason S's Tom Cruise impressions? (they're both "in my contract" btw) pretty funny. He kinda looks like him, but uglier... :lol:

Huppert cracked me up when she was talking to the camera in the doc. "David has a vision and I'm happy to do what he wants. Because he has a vision. We don't always know what it is, but it's a vision." :laugh: That whole doc was great, I've never seen such an entertaining one in my life (except maybe the ones for Dogville and Short Cuts). Hoffman comes across as quite wacky in real life, I'd love to go to dinner with him. Tears were streaming down my face when he was walking in front of the shots to ask where "the mens room" was. And I loved when Russell was trying to butter up Tomlin and she was just looking at him with this mixture of disgust and annoyance, then corrected him when he said she did six shows a week. "I do eight." :laugh:

cliffdweller
03-21-2005, 10:47 AM
Oh, you must. Even though David O. Russell is a scumbag, he's a genius. Jude Law and Naomi Watts are just fantastic in it. The whole cast is, actually.

And if you get the two-disc DVD, you can see what has become of Natalie from The Facts of Life :laugh:

...and this is what I reply to... sad isn't it? But Natalie from Facts of Life? You're gonna have to give me more info on this one Diss!

Tours I'm interested in this summer:
Mars Volta
Phantomas
Mastodon

Hmmm....and Danzig just toured. Missed that one...

I'd also like to see Stevie this summer if at all possible.

By the way Brian (estranged4life), Billy Idol was super-amazing-fantastic!!!! Next to Robert Plant, it was my favorite show during SXSW. White Wedding and Dancing with Myself had me bouncing all over the place. That man still looks fantastic too, I highly recommend seeing him if you get the chance this spring/summer. :thumbsup:

estranged4life
03-21-2005, 01:10 PM
By the way Brian (estranged4life), Billy Idol was super-amazing-fantastic!!!! Next to Robert Plant, it was my favorite show during SXSW. White Wedding and Dancing with Myself had me bouncing all over the place. That man still looks fantastic too, I highly recommend seeing him if you get the chance this spring/summer. :thumbsup:

played here on St.Patrick's Day at the Coca-Cola Event Center (I didnt go because of the whole stressful BS with my Mother's now extra lengthy hospital stay).

dissention
03-21-2005, 01:21 PM
...and this is what I reply to... sad isn't it? But Natalie from Facts of Life? You're gonna have to give me more info on this one Diss!


On the second DVD with the extras is about an hour of deleted scenes. One of them is alternate of the scene where Jude Law tells the Shania story for the first time in the movie and Natalie is essentially a glorified extra, standing on the sidelines laughing at the story as he's telling it. :laugh: It had me in stitches. Poor Mindy Cohn...at least she can get a job, though, no one wants to work with that Jesus freak Lisa Whelchel.

estranged4life
03-21-2005, 01:26 PM
I might try and fare Ozzfest this year, since Iron Maiden is Rumoured to be there. Seeing them with Black Sabbath on the same night would be ace. :thumbsup:

Since Maiden will ONLY be playing a 1 hour set, I will be passing on yet another Ozzfest (The only possible positive will be the "Among the Living" era lineup of Anthrax playing Ozzfest)...Besides, I never cared for Black Sabbath with Ozzy as a singer.

amber
03-21-2005, 01:27 PM
On the second DVD with the extras is about an hour of deleted scenes. One of them is alternate of the scene where Jude Law tells the Shania story for the first time in the movie and Natalie is essentially a glorified extra, standing on the sidelines laughing at the story as he's telling it. :laugh: It had me in stitches. Poor Mindy Cohn...at least she can get a job, though, no one wants to work with that Jesus freak Lisa Whelchel.
:lol: :laugh: I was all "omigod, wait is she part of the crew or in the scene?" Is Lisa Welchel Blair? Anyways...still can't get over everyone in boobs. :p

dissention
03-21-2005, 01:37 PM
:lol: :laugh: I was all "omigod, wait is she part of the crew or in the scene?" Is Lisa Welchel Blair?

Yup. She "found" God and is now pushing him down everyone's throats. I? Can't stand her. Tootie is my gal.

Anyways...still can't get over everyone in boobs. :p

I know! :lol: And the squirting milk just made it even funnier.

amber
03-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Yup. She "found" God and is now pushing him down everyone's throats. I? Can't stand her. Tootie is my gal.



I know! :lol: And the squirting milk just made it even funnier.
That was so gross. Their set looked so fun, although that's probably cause they just put in the fun parts. I love the shots of David O Russel laughing his ass off, falling on the floor, while watching the scenes. :lol: He couldn't get enough of the Jude throwing up a little in his hand scene. :lol: Oh, and if I have to pick a "fact of life", I pick Jo.

dissention
03-21-2005, 01:47 PM
That was so gross. Their set looked so fun, although that's probably cause they just put in the fun parts. I love the shots of David O Russel laughing his ass off, falling on the floor, while watching the scenes. :lol: He couldn't get enough of the Jude throwing up a little in his hand scene. :lol: Oh, and if I have to pick a "fact of life", I pick Jo.

Jo was too butch for me. Definitely a closet lesbian. :p

Have you read the NYT article on the making of Huckabees? JUICY read. JUICY JUICY JUICY. I would have paid with my life to have been allowed on that set to observe.

amber
03-21-2005, 01:51 PM
Jo was too butch for me. Definitely a closet lesbian. :p

Have you read the NYT article on the making of Huckabees? JUICY read. JUICY JUICY JUICY. I would have paid with my life to have been allowed on that set to observe.
No. Can I still read it?
Yeah, she was butch, I didn't know we were dating one, though if we are, I guess I picked the right one. :laugh: I just picked the one that didn't get on my last goddamn nerve. And it was Jo, cause she used to tell the other ones they were lame, and got on her last goddamned nerve. :lol: Facts of life sucked balls, anyways. :nod: Except Natalie, cause she was so repugnant that no one would let her suck theirs.... :laugh:

dissention
03-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Except Natalie, cause she was so repugnant that no one would let her suck theirs.... :laugh:

Ho****. :lol::lol::lol:

Here's the Huckabees article. I've highlighted my favorite parts.

The Nudist Buddhist Borderline-Abusive Love-In
By SHARON WAXMAN

LOS ANGELES

DAVID O. RUSSELL had developed something of a reputation. The screenwriter and director of "Flirting With Disaster" and "Three Kings" had become known for smart, wildly original movies, and for attracting top actors despite relatively modest budgets. But he was also known for alienating some of those actors while shooting (most notoriously when he and George Clooney ended up in a fistfight on the set of "Three Kings.") For his next movie, "I Heart Huckabees," Mr. Russell was determined to chart a happier course.

This seemed fitting, since one of the movie's themes would be the very possibility of human happiness. Billed as an "existential comedy," "Huckabees," which had its debut at the Toronto International Film Festival last week and opens on Oct. 1, may be one of the oddest Hollywood releases in recent memory: a jumbled, antic exploration of existential and Buddhist philosophy that also involves tree-hugging, African immigrants and Shania Twain.

The shoot, Mr. Russell decided, wouldn't be a typical Hollywood affair. It would be an intimate, personal experience for a handful of actors otherwise accustomed to populating magazine covers and award ceremonies. Both the movie and the set would be extensions of Mr. Russell's own uncensored, often unpredictable personality, and an opportunity for him to explore profound spiritual questions that have preoccupied him for years. (Indeed, the original idea for the movie was based on Buddhist theories Mr. Russell first learned in college from Robert Thurman, Uma Thurman's father.) "The whole thing is an existential meditation," Mr. Russell explained in one of several interviews through the making of the film. But the experience turned out to be no blissed-out meditation session. To get the performances he was after, Mr. Russell did all he could to raise the level of tension on set, unapologetically goading, shocking and teasing his actors. Sometimes these techniques prompted reactions that were less than photogenic. And in perhaps the most un-Hollywood move of all, Mr. Russell allowed a reporter to watch.

April, 2003: The Headlock

From the beginning, Mr. Russell knew exactly what he wanted to create with "I Heart Huckabees." The trouble was, few others were able to grasp what that was. Many who read the script said they could not understand it, and several studios — Sony, Paramount, Warner Brothers, Fox, all led by people who say they are fans of Mr. Russell's — turned it down. (Later, some of the actors who went on to star in the film said that the script had never made sense to them; they simply trusted Mr. Russell's vision). But now the seasoned producer Scott Rudin has joined the project, the mini-studio Fox Searchlight has signed on and a British financier named Michael Kuhn has agreed to finance it for $18 million. So the movie is, at last, in preproduction.

Better yet, some of the biggest actors are involved. Jude Law and Gwyneth Paltrow have signed on to play eager-to-succeed employees at a department store chain called Huckabees. Mark Wahlberg will play a firefighter traumatized by 9/11, while Jason Schwartzman will be a frustrated young environmental activist. Each of these characters suffers from some form of spiritual malaise and will hire Dustin Hoffman and Lily Tomlin, a pair of "existential detectives," to investigate. Isabelle Huppert will play the detectives' glamorous French nemesis, a mysterious force for chaos who equates life with pain and suffering.

Except that the cast is falling apart. Gwyneth Paltrow drops out because, Mr. Russell says, she still hasn't dealt with the death of her father. Nicole Kidman expresses interest, but can't get out of "The Stepford Wives." Jennifer Aniston becomes and then unbecomes a possibility. Naomi Watts, Mr. Russell's original choice, frees herself from scheduling problems and after some brief drama — she and Ms. Kidman are close friends — is finally cast.

And then Jude Law quits (the explanation Mr. Russell hears is that he needs to make a big-budget movie because of an impending divorce settlement; Mr. Law's representatives deny that money was a factor). Mr. Russell is devastated: instead of doing his movie, Mr. Law has decided to take a role offered by Christopher Nolan ("Memento").

At a Hollywood party, Mr. Russell, a lean, muscular 46-year-old with dark, lanky hair, runs into Mr. Nolan and — in full view of the party guests — puts him in a headlock. Wrapping his arm around Mr. Nolan's neck, Mr. Russell demands that his fellow director show artistic solidarity and give up his star in order to save "Huckabees." (In the meantime, Mr. Russell has met with Jim Carrey as a possible replacement.) The next day Mr. Law calls Mr. Russell from a boat while crossing the Atlantic and discusses his "Huckabees" role at length, never mentioning Mr. Nolan or his project. The headlock story makes the rounds in Hollywood.

July 9, 2003: Almost Naked Lunch

Filming has begun, and on a suburban street in the Woodland Hills section of the San Fernando Valley the "Huckabees" operation has taken over a simple split-level house with rounded shrubs in the front. A tent has been set up in the front yard for video monitors and director's chairs.

But Mr. Russell is almost never in the usual director's position behind the monitor. Giddy and childlike, he rolls on the ground, dances, does push-ups and shouts at the actors with a megaphone. "I never want it to end," he whispers. Mr. Russell starts the day wearing a suit, but it's slowly coming off: first the jacket, then the shirt. Also, he keeps rubbing his body up against the women and men on the set — actors, friends, visitors.

Perhaps Mr. Russell is trying to free his actors to be as outrageous or ridiculous as he is. The script will require the actors to risk embarrassing themselves thoroughly: Isabelle Huppert is to perform a sex scene while covered in mud, Mark Wahlberg must repeatedly punch himself in the face, Jude Law will vomit into his own hands and Naomi Watts will essentially be driven crazy by her own physical beauty.

The scene at hand is a climactic moment in Mr. Law's character's breakdown, requiring the actor to cry and tear at his clothes. After several takes in which Mr. Law says the lines he has memorized, Mr. Russell is now yelling at him with new lines, even as the camera rolls. Mr. Law, exhausted, finally ad-libs a string of expletives, shrieking and beating his fists into the grass. "I am lost in the wilderness!" he cries. In character (or maybe not), Mr. Hoffman and Ms. Tomlin look on in pained sympathy.

Mr. Russell shouts: "Eeeeee! Eeeee! Keep rolling!"

Mr. Hoffman: "We're rolling. What's `Eeeeee'?" There is no response, but Mr. Law keeps emoting.

On the next take, Mr. Russell lies on the ground, just behind Lily Tomlin, but out of view of the camera. Perhaps he's trying to add to her feeling of unease in the scene. "Most likely he was looking up my skirt," she deadpans while watching the playback a few minutes later.

It seems impossible that a film set could feel any less formal — but come lunchtime, it does. Mr. Russell sheds the rest of his clothing, leaving only his boxers, and starts to exercise — first jumping rope, then sparring with his personal trainer, right on the sidewalk of the suburban street. Many of the actors and crew join in. They, however, keep their clothes on.

July 24, 2003: The Car Trip

It is a hot, tense day in a dried-up marsh near Los Angeles International Airport. The shoot is nearing its end. Mr. Hoffman, Ms. Tomlin, Ms. Huppert, Mr. Wahlberg and Ms. Watts (devoid of make-up and wearing an Amish bonnet) are all crowded into an old Chevrolet for the critical scene in which they will articulate the movie's themes: how everything in the universe is connected, and how sadness is an inevitable part of life. In an essential bit of back story, Ms. Huppert will explain how she became a pessimist because of a failed love triangle with Ms. Tomlin and Mr. Hoffman.

The actors do take after take in the crowded car, with Mr. Russell, as is his habit, constantly throwing new lines at them from a few feet away. The dialogue is poignant and bizarre at the same time, and the scene culminates with Mr. Hoffman and Ms. Tomlin weeping simultaneously and loudly.

While the cameras roll, Mr. Russell berates the actors: "Where's the [expletive] reaction?" he swears at Mr. Hoffman.

The actors look tired. As he has throughout the shoot, Mr. Russell is touching them — a lot, and sometimes in private places. At one point, Mr. Wahlberg grabs the director's megaphone, shouting: "This man just grabbed my genitals! It is my first man-on-man contact!" At other times, the director whispers into the actresses' ears — lewdly, they later say — before a take.

So far, the actors have been remarkably tolerant of Mr. Russell's mischief. As Ms. Huppert later observed in a phone interview, the actors knew Mr. Russell was intentionally trying to destabilize them for the sake of their performances. "He is fascinating, completely brilliant, intelligent and very annoying sometimes, too," she said. They also know he has created superb films from chaotic-seeming sets before. Besides, he's the director and the writer; now that they've cast their lot with him, they really don't have a choice.

But on what is meant to be the last take of the day, Ms. Tomlin, who recently ended an exhausting run of her one-woman play, collapses into Mr. Hoffman's arms crying and doesn't stop. As he embraces her, the wails grow louder and louder, and finally it becomes clear that she is not in character. After long moments, Ms. Tomlin breaks the tension by shouting at Mr. Hoffman: "You're driving a hairpin into my head!" Everyone collapses in laughter and the take is trashed.

But the drama is not over. The car scene takes several more hours to shoot, and as the sun fades, the accumulated tension erupts. Ms. Tomlin begins shouting at Mr. Russell: she is unhappy with the way she looks. She wants to try the scene a different way. She taunts him with a few expletives and curses at the other actors too. Their patience worn, the other actors laugh at her outburst.

Later, unfolding himself from the back seat of the Chevrolet, Mark Wahlberg jokes that his next project will be a nice, easy action film.

July 31, 2003: Candid Camera

The production has moved from the dried-up swamp to the set of the detectives' office. It is hot and cramped, and the hour is getting late. To pass the time while a shot is set up, Mr. Russell treats the crew to a description of a baby passing through the birth canal.

And then Ms. Tomlin is berating Mr. Russell again.

This time, the director turns on her angrily, calling her the crudest word imaginable, in front of the actors and crew. He shrieks: "I wrote this role for you! I fought for you!" Mr. Russell ends his tirade by sweeping his arm across a nearby table cluttered with production paraphernalia. He storms off the set and back on again, continually shouting. Then he locks himself in his office, refusing to return. After an uncomfortable, set-wide pause, Ms. Tomlin goes in to apologize, and Mr. Russell returns to the shoot.

Unbeknownst to both of them, a member of the crew has videotaped his tirade. The recording makes its way around the Hollywood talent agencies. Asked about the incident later, Mr. Russell says: "Sure, I wish I hadn't done that. But Lily and I are fine." For her part, Ms. Tomlin admits that both she and Mr. Russell lost control. "It's not a practice on his part or my part," she says. "I'd rather have someone human and available and raw and open. Don't give me someone cold, or cut off, or someone who considers themselves dignified."

This must be the Zen part.

Sept. 4, 2003: Roller-Coaster Party

The shoot finished earlier in the day, at 3:15 a.m. — miraculously on schedule and on budget. For the wrap party on the Santa Monica Pier, the "Huckabees" production has taken over an amusement park along the Pacific, where Dustin Hoffman is chatting with his old pal, the producer Robert Evans, flanked by a couple of towering women whose assets spill out of their halter tops.

Mr. Russell is wandering around the pier in a grey suit and blue pinstripe shirt, unbuttoned, with a blinking red heart-necklace slung around his neck. Everyone else is playing arcade games and riding the roller coaster under a gentle black September sky. But the director seems to be in a kind of dazed dream state, and has been that way for about a week, he says. Usually, he says, ending a film brings a mixture of sadness and relief, but this time it's only sadness. He seems to be mourning the end of the free-wheeling universe of the "Huckabees" set; now he has to retreat to the solitude of an editing room to figure out exactly what his movie is. "I told you," he tells a visitor, as if wondering how one could forget something he'd said in passing two months earlier. "This was the happiest experience of my life."

But there are murmurings of confusion as to how the movie will turn out, even among actors who trust Mr. Russell. "I hope he has all the pieces," observes Talia Shire, leaving the party with her son, Jason Schwartzman.

July 26, 2004: Reality Check

It is a balmy night on the lot of Twentieth Century Fox and the Little Fox theater is packed with leading members of the cast, some crew, several agents, friends. Dustin Hoffman and his wife and children and their friends have come; so has a still golden-haired Jude Law and his parents. The theater hums with anticipation: it is Mr. Russell's first film in five years; he's locked himself in the editing room for an unusually long time; and though almost no one has yet seen the film, it is already being mentioned as a nominee for a best picture Oscar.

A half-hour late, Mr. Russell walks to the front of the theater wearing a blue suit, a red and white striped shirt and sneakers. Compared to the manic exuberance he displayed on set, he seems relatively subdued. "Wake up, it's a comedy," he announces, even though his audience of insiders presumably knows as much. "We're going to have an amphetamine mist," he tells the crowd, playing with a strand of hair.

No one — even those involved with the film — knows quite what to expect from it. What they see is a movie that is, well, dense. Emotionally dense, and intellectually so; jammed with ideas both profound and prosaic, thick with rapid-fire dialogue about human beings and the use of petroleum. But it's not quite the movie they shot. A few major scenes — like the one in the car, which was supposed to explain the entire movie — have been cut. As people file out of the theater, trying to find the words to describe the movie, executives from Fox Searchlight eagerly cull reactions. Does the movie play? Do the pieces fit? But it's hard to gauge the mood. Several audience members say they can't even decide if they liked the film or not.

Claudia Lewis, a production executive who has been a staunch proponent of the film, is hopeful and nervous. "We are working on some original marketing ideas," she says. She and her colleagues know that this movie is not an easy sell.

It's not clear if Mr. Russell is picking up on the uncertainty in the air. A few days later, he sends a euphoric e-mail message about the screening. His words are rhapsodic and earnest; he seems to be channeling the same energy with which he directed the movie: "It was such a swell night. Such good vibes in the air. I especially liked those who said the film affected them like a trippy reality drug."

In fact, for a moment, Mr. Russell seems as if he's never left the set.

amber
03-21-2005, 02:01 PM
Crap! I have to leave for work, but I printed it to take with me. Thanks! The skimming I did already looks interesting.

cliffdweller
03-21-2005, 02:35 PM
played here on St.Patrick's Day at the Coca-Cola Event Center (I didnt go because of the whole stressful BS with my Mother's now extra lengthy hospital stay).

:sorry: I'm sorry to hear about your mother. You definitely had more pressing concerns. Is she doing any better?

cliffdweller
03-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Poor Mindy Cohn...at least she can get a job, though, no one wants to work with that Jesus freak Lisa Whelchel.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I have a feeling noone would want to work with her anyway :laugh: And Mindy got lucky!

dissention
03-21-2005, 06:56 PM
Crap! I have to leave for work, but I printed it to take with me. Thanks! The skimming I did already looks interesting.

It's a great read. :nod: I actually cut it out of the paper when I read it and still have it in my desk somewhere. I think it's a riot. If there's any justice in the world, I'll get to work on a David O. Russell film before I die...