Jackson Shows Up For Court In Pajamas [Archive]

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 02:36 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/10/jackson.trial/index.html

Jackson trial under way
Accuser returns to stand after judge threatened to jail singer
Thursday, March 10, 2005 Posted: 2:04 PM EST (1904 GMT)

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's child molestation trial began more than 90 minutes late Thursday after the pop star flirted with possible jail by failing to show up on time.

When court resumed, the teenage boy who says Jackson molested him two years ago retook the stand for a second day of testimony.

After Jackson failed to arrive at the Santa Maria, California, courthouse for the scheduled 8:30 a.m. (11:30 a.m. ET) start, defense lawyer Thomas Mesereau Jr. explained to Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville that his client was at a hospital for treatment of a "serious back problem."

But Melville, who last month had to delay jury selection by a week after Jackson was briefly hospitalized with the flu, refused to accept the excuse. He threatened to revoke Jackson's $3 million and jail him for the remainder of the trial if he didn't show up within an hour.

Jackson eventually made it to the courthouse, although he missed Melville's deadline by three minutes. Looking somewhat disheveled, with uncombed hair, Jackson was wearing pajama bottoms and sandals. He walked slowly, with a bodyguard and his father, Joseph, holding him at the elbows.

Once the trial resumed, Melville apologized to jurors for the delay and informed them that he had to order Jackson to court. But he admonished them not to "make inferences" about Jackson's innocence or guilt based on that fact.

"I'm not expressing an opinion about the case," the judge said.

Jackson's delayed appearance came on a possible pivotal day of testimony, with the boy accusing him of child molestation expected to detail what he says happened between the two of them two years ago at Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

The boy, now 15, was on the stand for an hour Wednesday afternoon, but court adjourned for the day before he provided any testimony about the molestation he says happened at Jackson's hands.

On Wednesday, Jackson's accuser had testified that he was "kind of hypnotized" by Jackson after meeting him while undergoing chemotherapy treatment for cancer and thought "he was the coolest guy in the world."

Jackson, 46, was indicted in April by a state grand jury on 10 felony counts for incidents that allegedly occurred in February and March 2003.

The charges include four counts of committing a lewd act on a child; one count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion; one count of attempting to commit a lewd act on a child; and four counts of administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony.

He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

skcin

03-10-2005, 02:46 PM

Wackjob. :nod:

dissention

03-10-2005, 02:48 PM

:rolleyes:

This guy gets away with murder.

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 02:52 PM

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 03:06 PM

The photo of him shuffling into court on CNN's home page is priceless.

belladonna.

03-10-2005, 03:16 PM

he is so damn creepy

seriously, is there anyone out there that really believes he didn't do this?
because i don't know anyone that thinks he is innocent...

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 03:19 PM

he is so damn creepy

seriously, is there anyone out there that really believes he didn't do this?
because i don't know anyone that thinks he is innocent...

Just the guy wearing the t-shirt "Michael Jackson is Innocent". :shrug:

belladonna.

03-10-2005, 03:29 PM

that guy is clearly misguided

GateandGarden

03-10-2005, 03:30 PM

Just the guy wearing the t-shirt "Michael Jackson is Innocent". :shrug:Maybe that guy is just in denial because he loves the music so much.

David

03-10-2005, 03:42 PM

After Jackson failed to arrive at the Santa Maria, California, courthouse for the scheduled 8:30 a.m. (11:30 a.m. ET) start, defense lawyer Thomas Mesereau Jr. explained to Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville that his client was at a hospital for treatment of a "serious back problem." But Melville, who last month had to delay jury selection by a week after Jackson was briefly hospitalized with the flu, refused to accept the excuse. He threatened to revoke Jackson's $3 million and jail him for the remainder of the trial if he didn't show up within an hour.Senor Jackson is learning, very slowly, perhaps the most difficult lesson of his egregiously insulated life: even megastars aren't above the law of the land in which they live. His lawyer must be pulling his own hair out. Jackson is so deluded & so unaware of the idea of normal, responsible adulthood that it's pathetic to see this . . . alien (for want of a better term) . . . recoil feebly from every jab thrown his way, confused & uncomprehending.

Obviously, he can't be allowed to withdraw back into his high-security shell in order to avoid his responsibilities, & this judge seems to agree. But I wouldn't be surprised if the horrendous strain of justice kills Jackson. He's as unfit to survive it as a naked baby in a blizzard.

At the very least, it will drive him completely insane. Even the most neurotic, self-preserving minds ultimately crumble under enough force (as we've learned here on the ledge).

greatdarkwing

03-10-2005, 03:52 PM

dissention

03-10-2005, 03:56 PM

The good thing about being home with a bum leg.....breaking news....I was watching every minute. As a pre-law student this trial has me mesmerized. The average person would have been jailed on the spot. What a bunch of bull. Its ok....the kid will hopefully get up there and say enough to put him behind bars for a while.

~Alex

Hope you're feeling better, Alex. :xoxo:

Let's face it, if it were you or me or Suze or Goldie, we would have been thrown into the slammer and had our bail revoked in an instant. He's getting preferential treatment and it couldn't be any more obvious. I can't wait for this bastard to be convicted.

greatdarkwing

03-10-2005, 03:58 PM

Hope you're feeling better, Alex. :xoxo:

Let's face it, if it were you or me or Suze or Goldie, we would have been thrown into the slammer and had our bail revoked in an instant. He's getting preferential treatment and it couldn't be any more obvious. I can't wait for this bastard to be convicted.

Thanks Dissention! I appreciate the nice words.. :angel:

Now now...we all know i'd be freed because of my Republican ties to the judges :laugh: :laugh:

dissention

03-10-2005, 04:03 PM

Thanks Dissention! I appreciate the nice words.. :angel:

Now now...we all know i'd be freed because of my Republican ties to the judges :laugh: :laugh:

Eh, but of course. :rolleyes: :laugh: Hopefully those ties won't get you shanked in the john before your release, though. :laugh:

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 04:03 PM

Wackjob. :nod:

:laugh: I somehow missed your perfectly succinct post, Paula! Sesly, he really does look like an alien and he certainly doesn't act of this world. I hope the jury believes every word of the accuser.

Did you guys see the documentary that this boy was in with Michael? It was so disturbing. I am glad he and his family had the courage to move forward.

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 04:09 PM

. . . Let's face it, if it were you or me or Suze or Goldie, we would have been thrown into the slammer and had our bail revoked in an instant. He's getting preferential treatment and it couldn't be any more obvious . . .

Hardly - at least in this instance. If most people said they were at the hospital, sick, in the care of a doctor, and actually were there (as Jackson was here), a recess would be granted, etc.

Here, this Judge refused even to talk to Jackson's doctor :eek: and ordered him to be there in an hour, which I submit in LA it is hard to cross the street in an hour :laugh: This indicates this judge is cutting Jackson no slack and certainly not giving him preferential treatment. IMO who can blame the Judge when Jackson has behaved like an ass by coming to court late, conducting a dance a thon outside of the courthouse, and dressing like a circus act in the courtroom.

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 04:12 PM

. . . Did you guys see the documentary that this boy was in with Michael? It was so disturbing. I am glad he and his family had the courage to move forward.

I think this boy and his family are opportunistic liars and their track record proves that. I also think these parents should be imprisoned for child abuse for letting their son have a sleepover with an accused child molester.

Note - I think Jackson is guilty but that is different than lauding these leeches for IMO setting their son up for this so they could collect.

amber

03-10-2005, 04:14 PM

I think this boy and his family are opportunistic liars and their track record proves that. I also think these parents should be imprisoned for child abuse for letting their son have a sleepover with an accused child molester.

Note - I think Jackson is guilty but that is different than lauding these leeches for IMO setting their son up for this so they could collect.
I got that vibe, too. From what I've seen of the story, I certainly wouldn't laud their "courage". The mom was a dimwit at best, an opportunistic leach at worst. And yes, I do think Michael Jackson is a child molester.

Pisces Queen

03-10-2005, 04:14 PM

dissention

03-10-2005, 04:16 PM

I think this boy and his family are opportunistic liars and their track record proves that. I also think these parents should be imprisoned for child abuse for letting their son have a sleepover with an accused child molester.

Note - I think Jackson is guilty but that is different than lauding these leeches for IMO setting their son up for this so they could collect.

I certianly wouldn't include the kid in that statement, but hey. It's not this kids fault that he grew up with such f*ck-ups for parents, nor is it his fault for being "opportunistic" when he probably learned it from them in the first place. There's really nothing he could have done.

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 04:17 PM

Recant a little - I did not mean that as a mean spirited attack on Suze - so :sorry: Suze if it came off that way :wavey: I meant it as mean spirited to the parents only :cool:

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 04:20 PM

I certianly wouldn't include the kid in that statement, but hey. It's not this kids fault that he grew up with such f*ck-ups for parents, nor is it his fault for being "opportunistic" when he probably learned it from them in the first place. There's really nothing he could have done.

Perehaps - but if he is lying now on the stand - he has to share that culpability - but I agree with you in general and think this kid is messed up because of his parents.

I think that perhaps Jackson did not molest this kid and they are in it for the money - but who knows and I certainly think Jackson gave them wine, etc. Also, the brother's lying on the stand was fairly damning. In the end and afdter all of the other evidence (which is considerable on both sides), Jackson may get convicted on the booze charges alone.

dissention

03-10-2005, 04:24 PM

Perehaps - but if he is lying now on the stand - he has to share that culpability - but I agree with you in general and think this kid is messed up because of his parents.

I think he was molested by Jackson, so I don't think he's lying. :shrug:

I think that perhaps Jackson did not molest this kid and they are in it for the money - but who knows and I certainly think Jackson gave them wine, etc. Also, the brother's lying on the stand was fairly damning. In the end and afdter all of the other evidence (which is considerable on both sides), Jackson may get convicted on the booze charges alone.

I agree. He's going up the river and I think the fingerprint evidence will damn him, too.

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 04:26 PM

I think he was molested by Jackson, so I don't think he's lying. :shrug:

What is even sicker is I think that if he was, his parents egged him on into it. This whole matter just sickens me to my stomach. I mean I love a dollar just as much as the next person, but I would never whore my kid out for it, maybe myself :laugh: - but never my kid :cool:

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 04:28 PM

Recant a little - I did not mean that as a mean spirited attack on Suze - so :sorry: Suze if it came off that way :wavey: I meant it as mean spirited to the parents only :cool:

Oh no, I didn't take it that way at all. Admittedly, I know very little about the parents. I've heard them be accused of being opportunistic but I haven't seen any of the data or anything, just sound bites. I was thinking that perhaps the defense was making it up like the OJ defense made up the "he was framed" scenario but I may be wrong. In any event, it doesn't change the fact that MJ did molest the kid, IMO. And like Diss said, his idiot parents (if that is what they are) shouldn't have any bearing on that.

dissention

03-10-2005, 04:28 PM

What is even sicker is I think that if he was, his parents egged him on into it. This whole matter just sickens me to my stomach. I mean I love a dollar just as much as the next person, but I would never whore my kid out for it, maybe myself :laugh: - but never my kid :cool:

Well, this kid should have been taken out of his parents care ages ago. That much is obvious. The abuse they've inflicted upon him is almost as bad as what Jackson did to him. The idea that a parent could sell their kid to someone like that is shocking to me, it makes you wonder if they're human. :distress:

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 04:37 PM

he is so damn creepy

He doesn't even look real. :distress:

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 04:38 PM

Just the guy wearing the t-shirt "Michael Jackson is Innocent". :shrug:

Think he's on the payroll? :lol:

greatdarkwing

03-10-2005, 04:41 PM

Eh, but of course. :rolleyes: :laugh: Hopefully those ties won't get you shanked in the john before your release, though. :laugh:

ROTFLMFAO!!!!! :laugh:

Nixxxed

03-10-2005, 04:43 PM

I was just reading about this. :distress: I'd be in the slammer if it were me. Jackson gets an hour grace period, which he was a few minutes late for! I mean, this is serious, even with back trouble he could have been drugged up and wheeled in. :rolleyes: You don't just not show up for court. :shrug: Ugh!
AND, his "back problems" didn't prevent him from quickly spinning around 180-degrees in TWO directions to wave hello to a fan who called his name as he was "shuffling" in to the courthouse in his pajamas.

And the judge rescinded the bail revokal and arrest warrant just a bit ago... :rolleyes:

greatdarkwing

03-10-2005, 04:44 PM

I agree whole-heartedly that the accuser's parents did some messed up things, esp. if the whole Leno extortion thing is true. However, I do think he was molested. We'll see if they allow the 1993 boy to testify.

~Alex

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 04:45 PM

His lawyer must be pulling his own hair out.

Mesereau must have gotten one hell of a retainer and is probably hating himself for ever taking this case.

Jackson is so deluded & so unaware of the idea of normal, responsible adulthood that it's pathetic to see this . . . alien (for want of a better term) . . . recoil feebly from every jab thrown his way, confused & uncomprehending.

Personally, in addition to his complete disconnect with reality, I believe him to have a serious prescription drug habit which is further compounding his problems. There is no other reasonable explanation for someone of his age and means to be sick every other day. :shrug:

belladonna.

03-10-2005, 04:51 PM

Personally, in addition to his complete disconnect with reality, I believe him to have a serious prescription drug habit which is further compounding his problems. There is no other reasonable explanation for someone of his age and means to be sick every other day. :shrug:

i think you're right
he's probably on all kinds of crazy pills to make him act less crazy
but since he's on so many he just acts more crazy
or something. :confused:

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 04:51 PM

I think that perhaps Jackson did not molest this kid and they are in it for the money - but who knows and I certainly think Jackson gave them wine, etc.

They described his penis, which evidently resembles a barber pole from the bleach he uses all over his body. It would be difficult for them to know such a thing. They shouldn't be seeing his penis under any cricumstances. Forgive me for putting it so crduely.

mondaymornin1

03-10-2005, 04:51 PM

Personally, in addition to his complete disconnect with reality, I believe him to have a serious prescription drug habit which is further compounding his problems. There is no other reasonable explanation for someone of his age and means to be sick every other day. :shrug:

Mmhm. I'd like to have a look in his medicine cabinet. I'm thinking we'd find multiple prescription meds--pain meds, to be exact--that he probably became addicted to as a result of his obsessive plastic surgery habit!!

dissention

03-10-2005, 04:54 PM

They described his penis, which evidently resembles a barber pole from the bleach he uses all over his body. It would be difficult for them to know such a thing. They shouldn't be seeing his penis under any cricumstances. Forgive me for putting it so crduely.

You're forgiven, even though you gave me the dry heaves, love. :laugh:

It should be interesting when the boy from '93 testifies, which I expect he will.

Livia

03-10-2005, 04:55 PM

The E! wardrobe department: Get some pajamas, STAT!

I've been watching these re-enactments, very entertaining! One of the attorneys I work with said MJ is going to jail. I said, "No, he won't. He'll be found guilty but he will commit suicide before he'll spend one second in prison."

I normally don't watch Leno, but the guest comedians telling MJ jokes every night has been hilarious (Leno's under a gag order). Last night - Did you hear about the new sandwich named after MJ? 46-year-old meat in a 13-year-old bun! Ba-da-bump!

belladonna.

03-10-2005, 04:55 PM

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 04:55 PM

Mmhm. I'd like to have a look in his medicine cabinet. I'm thinking we'd find multiple prescription meds--pain meds, to be exact--that he probably became addicted to as a result of his obsessive plastic surgery habit!!

:nod: :nod: :nod: One's nose falling off is probably pretty painful.

dissention

03-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Has there been any word on Debbie Rowe? Last I heard, she was testifying against Jacko.

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 04:58 PM

You're forgiven, even though you gave me the dry heaves, love. :laugh:

It should be interesting when the boy from '93 testifies, which I expect he will.

I think he will be far more credible than the child who is testifying now.
Didn't one of the child stars that used to hang out with him come out and say something pretty damning recently?

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 04:59 PM

The E! wardrobe department: Get some pajamas, STAT!

I've been watching these re-enactments, very entertaining! One of the attorney I work with said MJ is going to jail. I said, "No, he won't. He'll be found guilty but he will commit suicide before he'll spend one second in prison."

I normally don't watch Leno, but the guest comedians telling MJ jokes every night has been hilarious (Leno's under a gag order). Last night - Did you hear about the new sandwich named after MJ? 46-year-old meat in a 13-year-old bun! Ba-da-bump!

:eek: Omigod! So Leno is under a gag order because this kid's family allegedly tried to extort money from him? What an effing convoluted, disgusting, sick, mess this all is.

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:00 PM

Has there been any word on Debbie Rowe? Last I heard, she was testifying against Jacko.

I heard that too but I can't imagine it. She's on his payroll. Why screw up the gravy train?
I guess she'd be a hostile witness.

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 05:01 PM

I think he will be far more credible than the child who is testifying now.
Didn't one of the child stars that used to hang out with him come out and say something pretty damning recently?

It was Corey Feldman but I didn't catch what he said. Here is a story http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/11/feldman.jackson.trial/

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:01 PM

I normally don't watch Leno, but the guest comedians telling MJ jokes every night has been hilarious (Leno's under a gag order). Last night - Did you hear about the new sandwich named after MJ? 46-year-old meat in a 13-year-old bun! Ba-da-bump!

Oh. :distress: :lol:

amber

03-10-2005, 05:02 PM

I heard that too but I can't imagine it. She's on his payroll. Why screw up the gravy train?
I guess she'd be a hostile witness.
I think she's trying to get custody of the kids, too, right? that's a good reason....

dissention

03-10-2005, 05:04 PM

I think he will be far more credible than the child who is testifying now.
Didn't one of the child stars that used to hang out with him come out and say something pretty damning recently?

Corey Feldman, of all people. :shocked:

I guess Jacko threatened to have him killed or something.

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 05:05 PM

I think she's trying to get custody of the kids, too, right? that's a good reason....

She is. And wasn't she paid off in a lump sum? I don't think she gets any alimony or anything.

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:05 PM

I think she's trying to get custody of the kids, too, right? that's a good reason....

That doesn't make sense to me, though. She's had no interest in those children and signed her right to them away ages ago.

dissention

03-10-2005, 05:06 PM

I heard that too but I can't imagine it. She's on his payroll. Why screw up the gravy train?
I guess she'd be a hostile witness.

She supposedly wants the kids and has said that she'll cooperate 100% in order to get them. She sold those kids as far as I'm concerned, though.

amber

03-10-2005, 05:06 PM

That doesn't make sense to me, though. She's had no interest in those children and signed her right to them away ages ago.
I know, I was suprised, too, but I think it (at least partially) has to do with this new round of accusations... :shrug:

dissention

03-10-2005, 05:07 PM

She is. And wasn't she paid off in a lump sum? I don't think she gets any alimony or anything.

She gets a million a year, plus housing and living "expenses." :nod:

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:08 PM

She supposedly wants the kids and has said that she'll cooperate 100% in order to get them. She sold those kids as far as I'm concerned, though.

This is the biggest train wreck I have ever seen. What a mess.

dissention

03-10-2005, 05:08 PM

This is the biggest train wreck I have ever seen. What a mess.

What?! Haven't you been living in George Bush's America for the last five years, dear? :p :laugh:

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:09 PM

What?! Haven't you been living in George Bush's America for the last five years, dear? :p :laugh:

:laugh: I try so hard to forget... That's what it's come down to.

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 05:13 PM

She gets a million a year, plus housing and living "expenses." :nod:

Oh woops, better do my research in the future. That's sickening. There must be something really wrong with her (understatement).

amber

03-10-2005, 05:14 PM

Oh woops, better do my research in the future. That's sickening. There must be something really wrong with her (understatement).
Wrong with her? YOu mean cause she donated her egg in the first place? I think it's good that she wants the children back, now...

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 05:16 PM

Wrong with her? YOu mean cause she donated her egg in the first place? I think it's good that she wants the children back, now...

No, because she married Jackson, had his children, took his money, and gave up rights to the children. All of that is quite sick to me.

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:17 PM

Wrong with her? YOu mean cause she donated her egg in the first place? I think it's good that she wants the children back, now...

She married him. She must have had at least some inkling of his character.
Last I heard, his parents were going to take custody of the children.

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 05:18 PM

She married him. She must have had at least some inkling of his character.
Last I heard, his parents were going to take custody of the children.

Lord knows they did a good job first time around. :rolleyes: Oh those poor kids.

Livia

03-10-2005, 05:20 PM

Leno's under a gag order because he's going to be called as a witness.

amber

03-10-2005, 05:22 PM

No, because she married Jackson, had his children, took his money, and gave up rights to the children. All of that is quite sick to me.
Yeah, but it's just what egg donors do, cept without the marriage. That's what I always thought she pretty much was, anyway, she just got a better deal... :rolleyes: I think it was always meant for him to take the children and her to bow out...I think she may have had a change of heart cause of the new allegations.... :shrug:

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 05:35 PM

Yeah, but it's just what egg donors do, cept without the marriage. That's what I always thought she pretty much was, anyway, she just got a better deal... :rolleyes: I think it was always meant for him to take the children and her to bow out...I think she may have had a change of heart cause of the new allegations.... :shrug:

I guess. But to donate eggs to Jackson? :eek: I just think she has to be screwed up.

dissention

03-10-2005, 05:42 PM

I guess. But to donate eggs to Jackson? :eek: I just think she has to be screwed up.

She's more than screwed up, Suze. She's a loon. :nod:

DrummerDeanna

03-10-2005, 05:44 PM

I'm so sick of all this Jackson stuff - the sooner this case is over the happier I'll be - I hope they nail his ass to the wall if he's found guilty.....he's a major creeparoo for sure..and that **** he pulled with the "back pain" :rolleyes: Give me a f***ing break....

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:47 PM

I've been watching these re-enactments, very entertaining! One of the attorneys I work with said MJ is going to jail. I said, "No, he won't. He'll be found guilty but he will commit suicide before he'll spend one second in prison."

I think he'll run to Mexico since they won't extradite him. Then A&E will send Dog The Bounty Hunter after him and they'll make an hour long special out of it.
I am so not kidding.

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 05:49 PM

Yeah, but it's just what egg donors do, cept without the marriage.

This wasn't your run of the mill egg donor deal. The donor and recipient don't usually know each other, if I'm not mistaken. Dissention is right, she sold those kids. And look what she sold them to. She must have had some idea.

dissention

03-10-2005, 05:56 PM

I think he'll run to Mexico since they won't extradite him. Then A&E will send Dog The Bounty Hunter after him and they'll make an hour long special out of it.
I am so not kidding.

:lol::lol::lol:

You owe me a new pair of pants!!!!!!!!!!

amber

03-10-2005, 06:04 PM

I guess. But to donate eggs to Jackson? :eek: I just think she has to be screwed up.
:shrug: I guess. She probably thought he was more regular, then....people are often easily fooled into thinking people are other than what they turn out to be... :shocked:

amber

03-10-2005, 06:05 PM

This wasn't your run of the mill egg donor deal. The donor and recipient don't usually know each other, if I'm not mistaken. Dissention is right, she sold those kids. And look what she sold them to. She must have had some idea.
I know she sold them, but I think that was the plan from the beginning, a la egg donors. No, it wasn't exactly the same as that, but I think the result was supposed to be the same. ANd it was.

SuzeQuze

03-10-2005, 06:14 PM

She's more than screwed up, Suze. She's a loon. :nod:

Of course. :nod: I mean, for a long time now he has been marring his face and bleaching his skin. For someone to think he could be a good father is crazy. I never would have. :distress:

Mad4stevie

03-10-2005, 07:53 PM

My God, they had some good jokes on about this today:

- Calling him "Jamma Jackson"
- Comparing his late arrival to Cinderella arriving after midnight
- Mentioning that if the accuser was really smart, he would point to Jamma and mention how those where the PJs that Jamma was in when he was molested

I can't WAIT to see Leno tonight! :lol: :lol:

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 08:25 PM

They described his penis, which evidently resembles a barber pole from the bleach he uses all over his body. It would be difficult for them to know such a thing. They shouldn't be seeing his penis under any cricumstances. Forgive me for putting it so crduely.

I think it is widely known that his penis has apparent and identifieable markings :shrug:

But and in any event, even if Jackson molested this kid, I think this kid was a setup by his parents. Whether the kid is also culpable or he was just a pawn remains to be seen.

dissention

03-10-2005, 08:50 PM

I think it is widely known that his penis has apparent and identifieable markings :shrug:

The details have never been leaked. The boy must have been pretty explicit and on the money in his descriptions for all this to have happened.

Whether the kid is also culpable or he was just a pawn remains to be seen.

At his age, I would never call him "culpable," especially considering the fact that he used to get the **** beat out of him, suffers from cancer, and would probably go along with anything his mother or parents asked him to do in order to please them and possibly avoid beatings. He certainly isn't old or mature enough to be "culpable."

Janet

03-10-2005, 08:57 PM

I'm sure most of his adult life, Jackson has not had to do anything he didn't want to do. These little stunts he is pulling is a show of that, how he just doesn't feel like going to court. Living in the lap of luxury, everyone goes on YOUR time. Now he has to follow the judge's time.

He is like a small child.

My mom is 46 as well. She was born in 1958 just like Micheal. I find it amazing that he is almost 50 and the things he does. The way he talks. How he can still blame a childhood that he should have gotten over by now ( sorry I have had a ****ty childhood and I'm 27 and over it...)

But there is NO excuse if he touched those children. I think we need something bigger and harder to totally show me he did as much as they said. I think he IS sick. I think he did use magazines and alcohol ( which is bad enough IMO) but did he go further and perform the acts? Is he even comfortable enough sexually to do that? Or was it all fantasy and games?

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 09:07 PM

The details have never been leaked. The boy must have been pretty explicit and on the money in his descriptions for all this to have happened . . . .

I knew them from gossip :shrug: Plus, it is not entirely impossible that this bunch of crooks are conspiring with the first family. In any event, I am glad someone is putting a stop to Jackson even if I do not agree with the method.

dissention

03-10-2005, 09:11 PM

Is he even comfortable enough sexually to do that? Or was it all fantasy and games?

According to Tatum O'Neal, he wasn't even into girls when he was a young man of twenty. I think it's very telling to go back and look at him over the years, taking Webster as his date to award shows or having little Brooke Shields tag along with him. The first glimpse we ever got that he's supposedly a heterosexual male was when he started the Lisa Marie debacle and that was only ten years ago, right after he was first (publicly) accused of child molestation. There's no doubt in my mind that he's into little boys, but I won't chalk it up to him simply being a pervert; I think he has incredibly serious and deep psychological issues.

dissention

03-10-2005, 09:13 PM

I knew them from gossip :shrug: Plus, it is not entirely impossible that this bunch of crooks are conspiring with the first family. In any event, I am glad someone is putting a stop to Jackson even if I do not agree with the method.

Gossip is different from detailed facts. I can say with 100% accuracy that the actual details the boy gave the police regarding Jackson's genitals have never been leaked, only that his genitals were discolored.

As for them conspiring with the first family, that's grasping at straws a bit too much for me. :laugh:

gldstwmn

03-10-2005, 09:19 PM

Gossip is different from detailed facts. I can say with 100% accuracy that the actual details the boy gave the police regarding Jackson's genitals have never been leaked, only that his genitals were discolored.

It was originally passed off as vitiligo (sp?).

dissention

03-10-2005, 09:22 PM

It was originally passed off as vitiligo (sp?).

:laugh: Of course he's not going to admit that his knob is freaky looking due to skin bleaching.

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 10:00 PM

dissention

03-10-2005, 10:18 PM

I'll bite - how do you know this in the 100% range? I submit it was leaked because I heard it :shrug:

Do a big internet search, you won't find any concrete details from any reputable sources regarding the marks and discoloration on his genitals. All you will come up with is the fact that his genitals do, in fact, have marks and discolorations. That's it. :nod:

Where did you hear the details of the boys interrogation and from what sources?

In any case, I cannot believe that we are having a discussion based around Michael Jackson's frank and beans. :laugh:

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 10:21 PM

Do a big internet search, you won't find any concrete details from any reputable sources regarding the marks and discoloration on his genitals. All you will come up with is the fact that his genitals do, in fact, have marks and discolorations. That's it. :nod:

Where did you hear the details of the boys interrogation and from what sources?

I did not hear it on the net - I head it around the time of the first allegations, which was WAY before the net was anything at all :laugh: But, I cannot say what I heard is 100% accurate - though the source was very reliable - because I have not seen Jackson's penis and I was like 27 then, which was way way way too old to get a glimpse :eek:

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 10:22 PM

. . .

In any case, I cannot believe that we are having a discussion based around Michael Jackson's frank and beans. :laugh:

me too :laugh: whay was that about two, down from five, note Stevie :laugh:

David

03-10-2005, 10:23 PM

I'll bite - how do you know this in the 100% range? I submit it was leaked because I heard it :shrug:Strand, in a discussion of Michael's bleach-discolored genitalia, "I'll bite" is NOT the phrase you want to use.

dissention

03-10-2005, 10:24 PM

I have not seen Jackson's penis and I was like 27 then, which was way way way too old to get a glimpse :eek:

:laugh:

Words cannot describe the laughing fit I am in right now.

strandinthewind

03-10-2005, 10:25 PM

Strand, in a discussion of Michael's bleach-discolored genitalia, "I'll bite" is NOT the phrase you want to use.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

TOUCHE'

glitter_fades

03-10-2005, 11:11 PM

I won't chalk it up to him simply being a pervert; I think he has incredibly serious and deep psychological issues.

Hellooooo! That spells pervert to me. :woohoo:

DrummerDeanna

03-11-2005, 10:13 AM

Hellooooo! That spells pervert to me. :woohoo:

No - I agree with Diss that his issues go beyond simply being a pervert...he's obviously a very disturbed, dillusional and just messed up individual - I mean he sat in front of a national tv camera and swore he'd never had plastic surgery :eek: I mean wtf!?! ...he's totally wacked.....

He needs some serious help...for that reason I think it would be to his detriment to simply lock him up in a jail somewhere- he should be in an institution where they can give him extreme and intensive psychological help :nod:

SuzeQuze

03-11-2005, 10:29 AM

Hellooooo! That spells pervert to me. :woohoo:

I think that Diss may have meant that not only is he a pervert he is deeply disturbed in many ways. But I'm sure he will speak for himself on this.

cliffdweller

03-11-2005, 10:45 AM

I think he'll run to Mexico since they won't extradite him. Then A&E will send Dog The Bounty Hunter after him and they'll make an hour long special out of it.
I am so not kidding.

I know you're not kidding but I am so rolling on the floor laughing right now :laugh:

cliffdweller

03-11-2005, 10:56 AM

I don't understand why his handlers haven't done an intervention. I know they're getting paid handsomely by M.J. and they don't want that pleasure cruise to dry up, but doesn't at least one of them have the humanity to take him aside and try do something to stop this behavior? They know that he's molested children, I'm sure of it. Maybe they all need to gang up on Michael put him in a straight jacket, and toss his ass into the nearest mental hospital.

Vianna

03-11-2005, 11:31 AM

MJ is a pathetic individual. Hopefully they will force him to get psychological help even if along with it they have to put him in jail. Michael is sick and delusional. It strikes me that he is not mentally competent enough to stand trial. If he did molest the child I am not sure he was aware of what he was doing or its consequences, and I am sure he was not considering the effects of his actions on another person.

skcin

03-11-2005, 11:37 AM

I think he'll run to Mexico since they won't extradite him. Then A&E will send Dog The Bounty Hunter after him and they'll make an hour long special out of it.
I am so not kidding.

*spits water all over desk*

"I'm the dog, the big bad dog...the bounty hunter!"

Heehee, sorry, this stupid show is so one of my guilty pleasures. :D

SuzeQuze

03-11-2005, 11:43 AM