Tony's Hazy Concert Memories

[David]

Tony's a blogger who posts his hazy memories (although they don't seem so hazy to me) of rock concerts. He saw Fleetwood Mac at the Fresno show in 2003, & tells you all about it. It's a lengthy read, but it ultimately arrives where it needs to be. Tony obviously doesn't share our fanaticism, but I found after reading his blog that he might have been watching the concert through my own eyes, so truthful (& funny) did his take seem.

Beware -- those of you who get depressed or pissed by a guy who doesn't adore Fleetwood Mac the way you do. This blog would be rough going for you. I just wanted to share the link because I thought it was the best stuff I had read about the Mac in several years.

http://tonyremembers.blogspot.com/archives/2004_06_01_tonyremembers_archive.html

Remember that medical researchers have recently found even more evidence that laughter slows your pulse & expands the circumference of your arteries.

[MacMan]

Remember that medical researchers have recently found even more evidence that laughter slows your pulse & expands the circumference of your arteries.

Yeah... So laugh damit!

I thought it was a great read... honestly funny!

[ThePenguin]

Tony's a blogger who posts his hazy memories (although they don't seem so hazy to me) of rock concerts. He saw Fleetwood Mac at the Fresno show in 2003, & tells you all about it. It's a lengthy read, but it ultimately arrives where it needs to be. Tony obviously doesn't share our fanaticism, but I found after reading his blog that he might have been watching the concert through my own eyes, so truthful (& funny) did his take seem.

Beware -- those of you who get depressed or pissed by a guy who doesn't adore Fleetwood Mac the way you do. This blog would be rough going for you. I just wanted to share the link because I thought it was the best stuff I had read about the Mac in several years.

http://tonyremembers.blogspot.com/archives/2004_06_01_tonyremembers_archive.html

Remember that medical researchers have recently found even more evidence that laughter slows your pulse & expands the circumference of your arteries.

Thanks for posting that, I got quite a few good laughs from it!! I'll admit I have thought some of the same stuff this guy did, and I LOVE Fleetwood Mac. IMO he was right on the money in much of what he said.

-Lis

[HomerMcvie]

"Christine McVie! It's jus' not the same without Christine McVie! Where was Christine McVie?!?"
There was a awkward silence. I was about to submit that she was not involved in this tour for whatever reason and that I agreed that her presence might have helped a bit, when one of the Five-Oh chimed in with a prominent slurring effect, "From the looks of things, it appears that Stevie Nicks ate her".
:lol: :lol: :lol: So that loooong read was worthwhile after all! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Some of it was really funny. Some of it not so much.
Some of it was spot-on. Some of it I didn't agree with at all.
Definitely an interesting read overall.

But how did I know that he was going to mention Stevie's weight (and not the weight of any of the male members of the band)?
Oh, I know how... because not a single soul seems capable of reviewing a Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks concert without filling more space than they need to, talking about how Stevie fills more space than she used to.

I'm not humourless, but I've about as much tolerance for comments regarding her waistline as others have for hearing "Dreams" for the millionth time.
Been done to death for well over a decade now, ya know?

Omit the weight mentions, and it's an insightful review. With them, it's merely pedestrian.

[HomerMcvie]

Johnny, it's been mentioned a 1000 times. That's the price you pay when you're a sex symbol. You will FOREVER be judged by your former self.

[wondergirl9847]

He is NOT 62 friggin years old?! Sheebus.

Yawn at that review...there were a few funny things, but overall, kinda boring. It took FOREVER to get to the actual show. I don't care about him buying beer and the ID check...who cares, dude.

Whatevah.

[Johnny Stew]

Johnny, it's been mentioned a 1000 times. That's the price you pay when you're a sex symbol. You will FOREVER be judged by your former self.And is that fair?

A woman wants to look sexy and feel sexy, and to wear clothes that flatter her body... that means she should be humiliated and laughed at forevermore if she should happen to gain weight later on? Because she dared ever look sexy in the first place?

Sounds like the same logic that dictates that a woman who dresses provocatively is "asking for it." :rolleyes:

[CreepingDeath]

And is that fair?

A woman wants to look sexy and feel sexy, and to wear clothes that flatter her body... that means she should be humiliated and laughed at forevermore if she should happen to gain weight later on? Because she dared ever look sexy in the first place?

Sounds like the same logic that dictates that a woman who dresses provocatively is "asking for it." :rolleyes:

I totally agree, and with your first post in this thread. I just started posting here after lurking for several years, but I've always enjoyed your posts. :nod:


In regards to the review- I do have a sense of humour. If I didn't I probably would have stopped reading this board a long time ago. It's just that the constant Stevie bashing, especially where her weight is concerned isn't funny and it gets old. IMHO

[HomerMcvie]

And is that fair?

A woman wants to look sexy and feel sexy, and to wear clothes that flatter her body... that means she should be humiliated and laughed at forevermore if she should happen to gain weight later on? Because she dared ever look sexy in the first place?

Sounds like the same logic that dictates that a woman who dresses provocatively is "asking for it." :rolleyes:
But Brian, look at Chris. She was never really known for much beyond her talent, and place in FM. And you RARELY read anything about her not aging gracefully. Only about her music.
It's not Stevie's fault that she was once a hottie, and THAT became a media focus........but how now (brown cow) is the media NOT going to focus on the fact that she no longer has that card to play?
If Madonna gained 40 lbs, you'd hear exactly the same thing about her.

[Johnny Stew]

But Brian, look at Chris. She was never really known for much beyond her talent, and place in FM. And you RARELY read anything about her not aging gracefully. Only about her music.Christine is lucky in that she hasn't made the fatal mistake of gaining a noticeable amount of weight. Despite the fact that she was never noted by the media for her great beauty (and, IMO, she IS a great beauty), I'm sure they'd still have something to say if she were overweight now.

It's not Stevie's fault that she was once a hottie, and THAT became a media focus........but how now (brown cow) is the media NOT going to focus on the fact that she no longer has that card to play?
If Madonna gained 40 lbs, you'd hear exactly the same thing about her.I'm not naive, so I realize that (unfortunately) it's going to be commented on if a once slim woman suddenly gains a considerable amount of weight -- but what I'm trying to say is that Stevie hasn't been that "waif-like sex symbol" in two decades. So why does it still need to be mentioned?

Or is it that reviewers feel they need to warn potential concert-goers that they're not going to be seeing the 115lb., 28 year old Stevie Nicks up on stage?
As if it's such a letdown that a woman no longer looks, in 2005, like she did in 1975 or 1985.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm not naive, so I realize that (unfortunately) it's going to be commented on if a once slim woman suddenly gains a considerable amount of weight -- but what I'm trying to say is that Stevie hasn't been that "waif-like sex symbol" in two decades. So why does it still need to be mentioned?

Or is it that reviewers feel they need to warn potential concert-goers that they're not going to be seeing the 115lb., 28 year old Stevie Nicks up on stage?
As if it's such a letdown that a woman no longer looks, in 2005, like she did in 1975 or 1985.
Well, what DOES she do as well as she did then? Hmmmm, lessee......(and I'm trying to be honest, not mean)....
She was the hottest looking chick in Rock.......she sang with her ALL(doing her best Janis that she could muster), she danced and performed like a mad woman. Face it, either she did it TOO well back then, or she's lame in comparison now. One, or the other. Okay, maybe both. She set her own bar too high.

And I'm not trying to toot my Chris horn here, but she sings BETTER than she did 30 years ago. Who else can make THAT claim? And you know what? Even though she sounds even better now, she knew when it was time to call the road quits. She's one smart lady.

[Johnny Stew]

Well, what DOES she do as well as she did then? Hmmmm, lessee......(and I'm trying to be honest, not mean)....
She was the hottest looking chick in Rock.......she sang with her ALL(doing her best Janis that she could muster), she danced and performed like a mad woman. Face it, either she did it TOO well back then, or she's lame in comparison now. One, or the other. Okay, maybe both. She set her own bar too high.It was never the dancing or twirling or running around the stage or tambourine bashing that impressed me... it was the way Stevie, with that oddball voice, could hold an audience in the palm of her hand, even when she was standing completely still.

So, for me, she's far from lame compared to "the good ol' days."
In fact, the "manic Stevie" was fun in its time, and I miss that version on occasion, but I prefer the mature Earth Mother version of today.

When I want to watch Stevie in concert, I reach for 'The Dance' or 'Live In Boston' or something from the 'Enchanted' tour (I don't have much in the way of 'Shangri-La' bootleg videos), when I could just as easily reach for any number of other bootleg concerts I have from the '70s and '80s.

Either way, I don't see what that has to do with her weight, or why her weight has to be a topic of conversation in all reviews.
Tony stated that she sounded pretty great for the most part, and he didn't seem to have a problem with the way she avoided some of the notes in various songs... in fact he seemed sufficiently pleased by the way she used her lower register.

So rag on the dress, rag on the Herman Munster shoes, rag on her mobility issues (which WE know were caused by a hip injury and fatigue from menopause, but even "diehards" seemed pretty unforgiving of that, so I can't expect a casual fan to be any more forgiving)... but no woman needs to be referred to as a "fat little Java."
Whether she used to be a sex symbol or not. :shrug:

And I'm not trying to toot my Chris horn here, but she sings BETTER than she did 30 years ago. Who else can make THAT claim?Christine DOES sound better than she did 30 years ago. Without a doubt.

But aside from a few moments/songs here and there, I tend to think Stevie does, too. Which, of course, is totally subjective.

[Johnny Stew]

I totally agree, and with your first post in this thread. I just started posting here after lurking for several years, but I've always enjoyed your posts. :nod:That's really sweet, Kimberly... thank you. :xoxo:

Welcome to the Ledge! (belatedly! :o) :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

So, for me, she's far from lame compared to "the good ol' days."
In fact, the "manic Stevie" was fun in its time, and I miss that version on occasion, but I prefer the mature Earth Mother version of today.
That's fine for you, Brian, but I don't think you represent the masses. Do you? Really?

Either way, I don't see what that has to do with her weight, or why her weight has to be a topic of conversation in all reviews.
Tony stated that she sounded pretty great for the most part, and he didn't seem to have a problem with the way she avoided some of the notes in various songs... in fact he seemed sufficiently pleased by the way she used her lower register.
I can think of NO other singer who has had to change their game SO dramatically. She's apples and oranges. How do ya like dem apples? :lol:

So rag on the dress, rag on the Herman Munster shoes, rag on her mobility issues (which WE know were caused by a hip injury and fatigue from menopause, but even "diehards" seemed pretty unforgiving of that, so I can't expect a casual fan to be any more forgiving)... but no woman needs to be referred to as a "fat little Java."
Whether she used to be a sex symbol or not. :shrug:
Fat little Java? DAMMIT, I missed that part!!! :rolleyes: :lol:

Christine DOES sound better than she did 30 years ago. Without a doubt.
Thank you. I don't know why "I'm" thanking you, but I am. :woohoo:

But aside from a few moments/songs here and there, I tend to think Stevie does, too. Which, of course, is totally subjective.
Shudder. :lol: :lol: :lol: :shrug: :xoxo:

[thepoetinmyhear]

I can think of NO other singer who has had to change their game SO dramatically. She's apples and oranges. How do ya like dem apples? :lol:

Ever heard of Marianne Faithful? Joni Mitchell? Guess not. Stevie has changed 1/10 of the percentage that those female vocalists changed. Additionally I don't think your "stevie-hatin'" :laugh: is in line with the masses. Do you? Really?

[HomerMcvie]

Ever heard of Marianne Faithful? Joni Mitchell? Guess not.
Generally speaking, I'm not that into "chick rock" FM is the exception for me...
Stevie has changed 1/10 of the percentage that those female vocalists changed. Additionally I don't think your "stevie-hatin'" :laugh: is in line with the masses. Do you? Really?
For the record, I don't hate her, although I'm not fond of how she's turned out.
I think I probably DO represent the masses. Thanks for playing along. :xoxo: :sorry: :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

VERY quickly, and then off to bed! :)

That's fine for you, Brian, but I don't think you represent the masses. Do you? Really?My tastes have never represented the tastes of the masses, nor have I cared for them to.
I listen to what I enjoy, whether I'm the one and only person who enjoys it or not.

In high school, I was the only guy my age who liked Stevie Nicks.
Didn't bother me then, doesn't bother me now. :nod:

And I still don't see how Stevie's weight has any bearing on any of this. We can debate the change in her voice, we can debate the change in her stage performances... and whether or not we like the changes is all a matter of preference... but none of it has anything to do with what she weighs.

Fat little Java? DAMMIT, I missed that part!!! :rolleyes: :lol:Oops! I meant to type "fat little Jawa."
I don't even drink coffee... how did I make that mistake?! :shocked:

Ok, off to bed with me. If I were straight, I might dream of Rubenesque women. Instead I'll just dream of Reuben sandwiches! :D

[HomerMcvie]

And I still don't see how Stevie's weight has any bearing on any of this.
YOU are the only one that keeps mentioning her weight. Her singing is MUCH more of an issue with me. I was merely pointing out that it's hard for a sex symbol to have a post-menopausel career.

Oops! I meant to type "fat little Jawa."
I don't even drink coffee... how did I make that mistake?! :shocked:
I agree. Coffee sucks. Why do you KEEP calling her fat? :shrug:
Ok, off to bed with me. If I were straight, I might dream of Rubenesque women. Instead I'll just dream of Reuben sandwiches! :D
That's so odd. That was our dinner tonight. I cooked a big corned beef brisket on Sunday, and Reubens were on the menu tonight! They rocked!
Goodnight Johnboy! (oh, I love that joke! ;) ).

[Gailh]

I think that someone's appearance/weight is only relevant if they use it themselves. For instance Madonna use her appearance and sexuality as part of her act.

IMO Stevie has NEVER done that so it's not fair to comment on it. No one comments on the males in the band (extra weight, lack of hair) It seems to me that a woman can be forgiven many things but gaining weight or losing her looks that's a no-no.

Gail

[macfan 57]

"Christine McVie! It's jus' not the same without Christine McVie! Where was Christine McVie?!?"

He saved the best for last. :laugh: I have to admit the whole thing was pretty funny, although I can definitely see why Buckingham/Nicks fans wouldn't see the humour in it. I've seen quite a few reviews from casual or non-fans & quite a few of them have been pretty similar to what Tony said.

[macfan 57]

And I'm not trying to toot my Chris horn here, but she sings BETTER than she did 30 years ago. Who else can make THAT claim? And you know what? Even though she sounds even better now, she knew when it was time to call the road quits. She's one smart lady.

I hate to always have to agree with Homer, but that is so true. :)

[Mari]

Funny how once again Stevie Nicks is the main subject here again, when it's clearly Lindsey BuckingHam (what a Ham!) who's made totally ridiculous in this review :lol: Can't say I totally disagree with him either.

He acted like the kid you always see at the grocery store running around, knocking **** over and screaming at the top of his lungs. You shake your head and wonder where the hell his mother is. Well, at the Fleetwood Mac show, I was wondering where Mrs. BuckingHAM was. I really wanted to see her so that I could shake my head and give here the old, "tsk, tsk, tsk".

... Lindsey was all wound up like a Ritalin deprived spastic...
Have to remember that one...:lol:

thanks for the link, David!

[Vianna]

The review was correct in parts-it is the Lindsey B show these days pretty much-but some of it I didn't like-let's review the music please and not personalities..

Re: Stevie vs. Chris: women age differently. No fair to compare=:-) I know, I know. Chris has gotten more elegant looking with age and Stevie hasn't. Stevie can still hold that audience in her hand. I've seen her do it, as recently as 2001?2002? (whenever I saw the TISL show, anyway) and she was sick with a cold at the time. I admire Stevie even if she isn't the talent that Lindsey is (in my humble opinion)because of what she's accomplished in her life. To me she shows real character-it's a lot easier to give up than fight drug addiction and depression like she has and have success at it.

[ThePenguin]

I think that someone's appearance/weight is only relevant if they use it themselves. For instance Madonna use her appearance and sexuality as part of her act.

IMO Stevie has NEVER done that so it's not fair to comment on it. No one comments on the males in the band (extra weight, lack of hair) It seems to me that a woman can be forgiven many things but gaining weight or losing her looks that's a no-no.

Gail

Well, the guy did say LB still has his hair done at the Art Garfunkle school of hair or something like that. :laugh:

But I do agree that the physical appearance/aging of women is always more criticized that that of a man. Not fair at all.

-Lis

[dougl]

Thanks for posting that blog David. It was a hoot. I finally got to a SYW show, albeit, vicariously.

[gldstwmn]

The review made me laugh pretty hard-until the last part where the drunken, middle aged frat boy losers asked if she ate Chris. :distress:
Hey Homer, I'll give you that Stevie isn't the sex symbol she was 30 years ago but she definitely has a lot to bring to the table now.
Something tells me that 30 years ago, the guys at the urinals were drunken frat boy losers standing at a different urinal, maybe at a Jethro Tull concert or something.
Can you get into that? :woohoo:

[amber]

The review made me laugh pretty hard-until the last part where the drunken, middle aged frat boy losers asked if she ate Chris. :distress:
Hey Homer, I'll give you that Stevie isn't the sex symbol she was 30 years ago but she definitely has a lot to bring to the table now.
Something tells me that 30 years ago, the guys at the urinals were drunken frat boy losers standing at a different urinal, maybe at a Jethro Tull concert or something.
Can you get into that? :woohoo:
:lol: :laugh: :lol:
I can... :lol:

[dissention]

This has to be the best part:

The capper for me was when he and Stevie Nicks did some sort of bullfight/slowdance thing during a song. Stevie still looked pretty messed up, but had changed out of her Jawa costume and into another flowing mess of fabric and Lindsey was all wound up like a Ritalin deprived spastic. During an instrumental passage, he spied her from across the stage and waved at her with both arms. She stood her ground (I think the signals from her brain were slowed by whatever she was on, so she wasn't going to move anyway) and he charged like a gay bull, passing by her running like Pee Wee Herman. He pranced by her a couple of more times with her only barely able to watch him go by with a disinterested gaze. They finally collided and did some bizarre slow dance, the kind you see around 1:45 in the morning at a "drinking bar".

:lol::lol::lol:

[HomerMcvie]

The review made me laugh pretty hard-until the last part where the drunken, middle aged frat boy losers asked if she ate Chris. :distress:
Hey Homer, I'll give you that Stevie isn't the sex symbol she was 30 years ago but she definitely has a lot to bring to the table now.
Something tells me that 30 years ago, the guys at the urinals were drunken frat boy losers standing at a different urinal, maybe at a Jethro Tull concert or something.
Can you get into that? :woohoo:
Sorry, I thought the eating Chris bit was the FUNNIEST part. Hands down.

[HomerMcvie]

I hate to always have to agree with Homer, but that is so true. :)
M.A., why do you hate to have to agree with me? Cuz I'm a little hard on Stevie? :rolleyes:

[cliffdweller]

And I'm not trying to toot my Chris horn here, but she sings BETTER than she did 30 years ago.

After hearing her most recent solo album, I respectfully disagree.

[cliffdweller]

This has to be the best part:



:lol::lol::lol:

That was pretty funny. I also liked the "Art Garfunkle Barbershop" or whatever it was in reference to Lindsey's 'do. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

After hearing her most recent solo album, I respectfully disagree.
Wow. I guess there's no accounting for taste. I think it's great. Songs like Northern Star are amazing, vocally.
Sorry 'bout your luck. :shrug:

[cliffdweller]

Wow. I guess there's no accounting for taste. I think it's great. Songs like Northern Star are amazing, vocally.
Sorry 'bout your luck. :shrug:

I didn't say she didn't sound good. She does sound good, but she doesn't sound better than she did 30 years ago. Sorry, but that's my own personal opinion.

[gldstwmn]

This has to be the best part:



:lol::lol::lol:

That part made me howl. That's funny stuff.

[gldstwmn]

Sorry, I thought the eating Chris bit was the FUNNIEST part. Hands down.

I figured you would. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

After hearing her most recent solo album, I respectfully disagree.

I would have to agree with your disagreement. Not to mention it gives new meaning to the word bland. :sorry:

[HomerMcvie]

I didn't say she didn't sound good. She does sound good, but she doesn't sound better than she did 30 years ago. Sorry, but that's my own personal opinion.
To each his own. :)

[cliffdweller]

But how did I know that he was going to mention Stevie's weight (and not the weight of any of the male members of the band)?Oh, I know how... because not a single soul seems capable of reviewing a Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks concert without filling more space than they need to, talking about how Stevie fills more space than she used to.

Well said JohnnyStew! But at the end of the day...who cares what some non-fan thinks? I mean the guy left before the show was even over. I think that pissed me off more than the weight comments! :rolleyes: :laugh:

[dissention]

I would have to agree with your disagreement. Not to mention it gives new meaning to the word bland. :sorry:

:nod: I think she sounds good, but listening to that album is like eating a piece of cardboard.

[HomerMcvie]

I would have to agree with your disagreement. Not to mention it gives new meaning to the word bland. :sorry:
Bland is a TWO note singing scale. :woohoo: :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

:nod: I think she sounds good, but listening to that album is like eating a piece of cardboard.
Mmmmm, cardboard(drooooling)...

[dissention]

Bland is a TWO note singing scale. :woohoo: :lol:

Yeah, but Chris isn't exactly revered for her range, is she?

[cliffdweller]

Not to mention it gives new meaning to the word bland. :sorry:

I didn't want to say it but...yep. I was hoping for something a little less, um, adult contemporary.

[gldstwmn]

:nod: I think she sounds good, but listening to that album is like eating a piece of cardboard.

Yes, she sounds fine. I wouldn't say that she sounds better. :shrug: Of course, I think her songwriting has been on the downward slope for the last 20 years, so...

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah, but Chris isn't exactly revered for her range, is she?
She can hit ten times the notes of someone else I'm thinking of! :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, she sounds fine. I wouldn't say that she sounds better. :shrug: Of course, I think her songwriting has been on the downward slope for the last 20 years, so...
Maybe if she had Lindsey producing.........of course his producing skills have deteriorated, sooo....... :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

She can hit ten times the notes of someone else I'm thinking of! :xoxo:

Someone else is the the one with all the multi platinum solo records on her walls. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

Someone else is the the one with all the multi platinum solo records on her walls. :shrug:
Yeah, the really old records. You know, the good ones. The ones before the ones that were really bad. :angel:

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, the really old records. You know, the good ones. The ones before the ones that were really bad. :angel:

Trouble In Shangri La debuted at #5 on the Billboard chart.

[gldstwmn]

Maybe if she had Lindsey producing.........

Well, John did allude to that in his Q&A.

[ThePenguin]

Maybe if she had Lindsey producing.........of course his producing skills have deteriorated, sooo....... :rolleyes:

I would agree that maybe LB's productions could have made some of her songs on that album better. And I would also agree w/ what John said about it in his Q&A, that maybe the other four could've 'helped out'. and yes, i guess I'm also biased; I always will prefer the 5 of them together as opposed to any other option! :)

-Lis

[Moony]

She can hit ten times the notes of someone else I'm thinking of! :xoxo:
She's also one of the most boring singers I've ever heard.

Stevie sings with ten times more passion and emotion. :p

[SteveMacD]

Of course, if we're talking about which lady was the best singer the Mac ever had, I'd like to respond that there is a third choice... :nod: :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

Of course, if we're talking about which lady was the best singer the Mac ever had, I'd like to respond that there is a third choice... :nod: :rolleyes:

I have to say Bekka had/has a TREMENDOUS voice and probably academically the best of the three. But, could she make you cry with her inflection of a lyric :shrug: I think perhaps in a rare instance, but not in the way CM could with Why and Songbird prior to her retirement and La Nicks could and still can with say BC on this last tour. But, Bekka has/had one hell of a voice to be sure.

[Johnny Stew]

Just a quick post from work.
I really hate to see this thread go down the road of Christine Bashing. Or seeing it become another "versus" thread.

My only objection to Tony's review was in relation to the derogatory comments regarding Stevie's weight.
As I said... voice, clothing choices, stage performances... those are all fair talking points. I just don't see why her weight needs to be mentioned.

I'd feel the same way if it were Christine being criticized for it. And whether we love one or the other, or both, I think we should ALL be appalled when a woman is demeaned because of her weight.

Now back to work I go.

[gldstwmn]

Just a quick post from work.
I really hate to see this thread go down the road of Christine Bashing. Or seeing it become another "versus" thread.


I don't either. I really like Christine. :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

I don't either. I really like Christine. :thumbsup:

She is amongst my favorite singers of all time. Her songs make me want to jump up and shout about how happy they make me. She is a rare and true talent.

[Serrart]

Tony's a blogger who posts his hazy memories (although they don't seem so hazy to me) of rock concerts. He saw Fleetwood Mac at the Fresno show in 2003, & tells you all about it. It's a lengthy read, but it ultimately arrives where it needs to be. Tony obviously doesn't share our fanaticism, but I found after reading his blog that he might have been watching the concert through my own eyes, so truthful (& funny) did his take seem.

Beware -- those of you who get depressed or pissed by a guy who doesn't adore Fleetwood Mac the way you do. This blog would be rough going for you. I just wanted to share the link because I thought it was the best stuff I had read about the Mac in several years.

http://tonyremembers.blogspot.com/archives/2004_06_01_tonyremembers_archive.html

Remember that medical researchers have recently found even more evidence that laughter slows your pulse & expands the circumference of your arteries.

Too boring and long, with a dull 'I-should-have rented-Basic Instinct-for-the fiftieth-time-and drunk-my-beer-on-my couch-instead-of-coming-here' touch. No insight on the concert at all. I'm glad the bracelet made his night. :shrug: Mary has my sympathy.

Romy

[amber]

Too boring and long, with a dull 'I-should-have rented-Basic Instinct-for-the fiftieth-time-and drunk-my-beer-on-my couch-instead-of-coming-here' touch. No insight on the concert at all. I'm glad the bracelet made his night. :shrug: Mary has my sympathy.

Romy
:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :xoxo:
Somehow, it was way funnier cause you worked in "BAsic INstinct"... :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Too boring and long, with a dull 'I-should-have rented-Basic Instinct-for-the fiftieth-time-and drunk-my-beer-on-my couch-instead-of-coming-here' touch. No insight on the concert at all. I'm glad the bracelet made his night. :shrug: Mary has my sympathy.

Romy

They deserve each other. :laugh:

[golddustwoman77]

I would like to start by saying that I have a sense of humor, and some of the thing that this guy said was humorous. :) I just wanted to take up the issue that has been discussed on Stevie's weight and aging. :rolleyes:


What I think most people have lost site of is the fact that Stevie is almost SIXTY years old! :rolleyes: I think about my mother who is a year older than Stevie. She can't get around like she used to, and she doesn't look like she did in 1977. My mother was very beautiful and slim, like Stevie, but just like Stevie (even working at it her health and appearance) she has aged and gained a little weight just like most human beings. Aging is a process that happens to EVERYONE, including the people who are passing judgement on the aging of people in the spotlight. These same individuals will be growing old one day as well. I wonder if they would enjoy it if people were constantly talking and writing about how they were aging. Many of the people probably don't nor have the ever looked as good as Stevie does, even now. Therefore, I'm not sure who they are to judge other people's appearance. Are they jealous of her because she is beautiful and they aren't? Maybe, they enjoy seeing beautiful people lose some of their appearance to age, because they never had it to begin with? :shocked:

People should judge Stevie at the age she is now. If you do that, you will see that she is doing VERY well for an almost SIXTY year old person. I can't think of a single person who looks at sixty like they did at twenty-five. I think Stevie looks beautiful and sounds good for her age. I, in no way, think it is fair for her to be put down because she has aged or gained a little weight. I don't see that she is HUGE, which is how a lot of people try to make her sound. If that is fat, then I hate to see their idea of skinny. :distress:

[SteveMacD]

But, could she make you cry with her inflection of a lyric :shrug:

I tend not to blubber at shows, however, I got really choked up when they encored with "Dreaming The Dream," which I really can't say with either Stevie or Christine. Actually, the closest I've come to getting emotional, as far as the "Rumours" band is concerned, would be "Twisted" and "Say Goodbye."

[ThePenguin]

I tend not to blubber at shows, however, I got really choked up when they encored with "Dreaming The Dream," which I really can't say with either Stevie or Christine. Actually, the closest I've come to getting emotional, as far as the "Rumours" band is concerned, would be "Twisted" and "Say Goodbye."

I cried like a baby the first time i heard "Twisted". I think it was more the joy of hearing those voices that were meant to sing together, singing together again! I guess i never expected to hear them doing new stuff...

On the recent tour I also cried at Say Goodbye..and I think during Sara when they showed the beautiful old footage up on the big screen. and Songbird used to get me weepy also. I cry a lot. :p

BTW Dreaming the Dream is/was a very sweet moving song, Bekka did a great job.

-Lis

[Highway Woman]

Too boring and long, with a dull 'I-should-have rented-Basic Instinct-for-the fiftieth-time-and drunk-my-beer-on-my couch-instead-of-coming-here' touch. No insight on the concert at all. I'm glad the bracelet made his night. :shrug: Mary has my sympathy.

Romy


Have to agree here. Doesn't take a brilliant mind to make jokes about Stevie's weight or complain about Lindsey's overacting, unless you're bowled over by his pun "Lindsey BuckingHAM." Takes more than that to impress me. Sorry, guess I'm missing the non-fan insights that makes this one of the best things David's read about Fleetwood Mac in years. :shrug:

[amber]

Have to agree here. Doesn't take a brilliant mind to make jokes about Stevie's weight or complain about Lindsey's overacting, unless you're bowled over by his pun "Lindsey BuckingHAM." Takes more than that to impress me. Sorry, guess I'm missing the non-fan insights that makes this one of the best things David's read about Fleetwood Mac in years. :shrug:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :thumbsup:

[KateTheCursed]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
So, for me, she's far from lame compared to "the good ol' days."
In fact, the "manic Stevie" was fun in its time, and I miss that version on occasion, but I prefer the mature Earth Mother version of today.


That's fine for you, Brian, but I don't think you represent the masses. Do you? Really?

I have no idea how many fans share his opinion, but I certainly do.

I much prefer the aura of Stevie today--her wisdom and her peace. I much prefer the jagged edges of her voice now. I do sometimes hear an older version and find myself enamored with the youth and innocence of her voice. But the meaning and layers of so much of what she sings now has only increased in depth. Like Stevie herself, the music has evolved, and it is that evolution that I find most fascinating, most endearing and most enduring.

For many years she was an electric whirling dirvish like none had seen before or since. As electric as she was though, it was never the twirling around on stage or the tamborine shaking or any of the other uniquely Stevie quirks that drew me to her. For me, her true gift from day one has been her ability to move her audience, not to move her butt. To convey to those of us sitting before her the anguish or the joy or the confusion or the love or the fear. Whether as in The Dance during Landslide when she nodded, arched one eyebrow and sang "And I'm getting older too" or as on the last tour singing Beautiful Child holding us rapt as she held the note on "I" as her voice dropped wonderfully intimate and confessional to sing "still love you, need you," that is sheer magic. More magical than all the stage twirls of both tours combined.

To me it doesn't matter how she dances or if her waistline expands and contracts. Even if she were to get so big that she had to buy dress fabric at Georgia Tent and Awning, she would still knows how to lure an audience into the palm of her hand. She would still have the gift and the grace to make that connection--to make me feel feelings that I don't always allow myself the liberty to feel.

[AliP]

I thought it was great! I like reading people's reviews who are not huge fans because their eyes are not clouded by "what they want to see or hear" as could apply to some hard core fans (like myself). I just skipped over all the non-concert crap. I could have done without the Stevie weight thing, but watcha gonna do?? Those kind of comments will never end so why bother. I agree though that he could have talked more about what he liked and disliked about the songs and the performances of the songs, rather than just commenting about Lindsey running around like a spaz and wondering about Stevie's concussion.


As someone else mentioned - this part made me LOLOLOLOL.

"Stevie still looked pretty messed up, but had changed out of her Jawa costume and into another flowing mess of fabric and Lindsey was all wound up like a Ritalin deprived spastic." :lol:

[KateTheCursed]

I never understand people bemoaning the loss of Stevie's range. It was never all that magnificient to begin with and was hardly a selling point.

If I were simply interested in one's sheer ability to hit a wide-ranging variety of notes, chances are fair to good that I would have never even given FM a second glance. None of the members can hold a candle to the likes of Aretha Franklin's range. H*ll if I were just concerned with range I'd probably be a disciple at the throne of Celine Dion. As it is, I'd rather listen to fingernails on chalkboard.

Maybe it's because I've always been far more interested in the more subjective end of music (the emotions it conveys and evokes) and the lyrical message.

To each there own I suppose.

[David]

I never understand people bemoaning the loss of Stevie's range. It was never all that magnificient to begin with and was hardly a selling point.You're totally right, as far as I'm concerned. The singers in Fleetwood Mac were never tremendously gifted technicians. Stevie's shrinking range isn't a problem for me aesthetically. What used to disappoint me a tad was that I didn't feel she committed as consistently to a performance in general. This was years ago: the Tango tour, the Mirror tour, the Mask tour, the Timespace tour, the Enchanted tour. At this point, I keep people's points about her age in mind. She is almost 60, & I wouldn't possibly expect her to be a wild she-cat.

Another thing that's important is for the people who prefer the mature Stevie to remember that their position isn't the morally superior one, & that people who prefer a wild Stevie she-cat aren't necessarily superficial, deluded troglodytes. We all have slightly different aesthetic responses to things. I'm calling for more tolerance all around.

[HomerMcvie]

Of course, if we're talking about which lady was the best singer the Mac ever had, I'd like to respond that there is a third choice... :nod: :rolleyes:
I agree. As I was sitting thru that incarnation of FM, I was just kinda sitting thru the songs, missing C,L, and S. Then Bekka did Dreaming the Dream, and I became her fan. She has a wonderful voice. I REALLY wish she'd been given a chance....

[KateTheCursed]

Another thing that's important is for the people who prefer the mature Stevie to remember that their position isn't the morally superior one, & that people who prefer a wild Stevie she-cat aren't necessarily superficial, deluded troglodytes. We all have slightly different aesthetic responses to things. I'm calling for more tolerance all around.

That certainly isn't what I was trying to convey, and I hope it didn't come across as such. I was simply trying to convey that whether I was part of a minority opinion or a majority opinion that I completely understood and related to the idea of appreciating a mature Stevie and that he was not alone in that opinion (as it was somewhat implied).

I do love the early footage of Stevie. There is a raw intensity and power to those early performances that few performers ever even aspire too much less achieve. Stevie was and is mezmerizing. Truthfully though if I were to pick out a time period where I were to have little to no interest in Stevie as a performer it would probably be from about '85 to '95. As a fan those years (the Rock A Little Era in particular) are painful to me to watch footage of. In some ways I feel that reaction is because her craft slipped for various and sundry reasons and in some ways I feel it is because those performances were so raw and so vulnerable and so fraught with a certain possibility of peril that it is more than I can emotionally digest for more than a song or two.

Yet I am quite sure that there are some people who would undoubtedly list that time as when they fell in love with Stevie's music. I have a hard time relating to that line of thinking, but I can respect it because music is so hugely subjective...even for people who are more drawn to the technical side of music because technical superiority in no way accounts for genre preferences.

[KateTheCursed]

However it must be noted that Lindsey fans are infact superior to Stevie fans. Their appreciation for such skill and class, in preference to twirling chiffon being their ticket to moral superiority. I know, I am one of them.

Is this supposed to be a display of your wit or simply your selective reading skills?

[strandinthewind]

However it must be noted that Lindsey fans are infact superior to Stevie fans. Their appreciation for such skill and class, in preference to twirling chiffon being their ticket to moral superiority. I know, I am one of them.


You are so bad :p

[HomerMcvie]

You are so bad :p
But amusing tonight! :lol:

[dissention]

However it must be noted that Lindsey fans are infact superior to Stevie fans. Their appreciation for such skill and class, in preference to twirling chiffon being their ticket to moral superiority. I know, I am one of them.

Of course. This has always been the case. We do not need an off-kilter twirl to get our rocks off and never will.

[KateTheCursed]

My wit. Keep up.

Gee don't let those massive 26 posts I've accumulated fool you. I'm virtually omniscent. :nod:

[dissention]

Gee don't let those massive 26 posts I've accumulated fool you. I'm virtually omniscent. :nod:

Apparently not. It's omniscient. :p

[strandinthewind]

Of course. This has always been the case. We do not need an off-kilter twirl to get our rocks off and never will.

just an overbaked Virginia ham dog pawing the unpluged guitar in the same, stale, rote manner on a nightly basis :] :] :] :] :] :] :p

[dissention]

just an overbaked Virginia ham dog pawing the unpluged guitar in the same, stale, rote manner on a nightly basis :] :] :] :] :] :] :p

You got me there. :laugh:

He can get annoying as all hell, I won't deny it. His dancing and his Tusk antics make me cringe in agony. Not to mention his speeches and guitar phucking during Stand back.

[David]

That certainly isn't what I was trying to convey, and I hope it didn't come across as such.Definitely not.
Truthfully though if I were to pick out a time period where I were to have little to no interest in Stevie as a performer it would probably be from about '85 to '95. As a fan those years (the Rock A Little Era in particular) are painful to me to watch footage of.Lots of people are with you on that one.
Yet I am quite sure that there are some people who would undoubtedly list that time as when they fell in love with Stevie's music.There's a guy named Pete who periodically posts here who I think feels that way.

I remember arguing once (well, not arguing since I don't argue) with the pop music critic at the Sacramento paper about whether "Walk a Thin Line" was better on "Tusk" or on "The Visitor." I opted for the former & he for the latter. We figured we were at an impasse, & he said that you gravitate toward & long for whatever you heard first.

[glitter_fades]

You got me there. :laugh:

He can get annoying as all hell, I won't deny it. His dancing and his Tusk antics make me cringe in agony. Not to mention his speeches and guitar phucking during Stand back.

Beee haaave! :p

:lol:

[gldstwmn]

Of course. This has always been the case. We do not need an off-kilter twirl to get our rocks off and never will.
Unless it's Sisters Of The Moon From The Mirage Video.

[gldstwmn]

just an overbaked Virginia ham dog pawing the unpluged guitar in the same, stale, rote manner on a nightly basis :] :] :] :] :] :] :p

Don't you mean San Jose Ham? Or Marin County Ham? :]

[gldstwmn]

You got me there. :laugh:

He can get annoying as all hell, I won't deny it. His dancing and his Tusk antics make me cringe in agony. Not to mention his speeches and guitar phucking during Stand back.

But honey, really, who the phuck else can play like that? Without a pick? He's a self taught genius. Give him that much.

[glitter_fades]

But honey, really, who the phuck else can play like that? Without a pick? He's a self taught genius. Give him that much.

Can't p****in argue with that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:woohoo:

[gldstwmn]

Can't p****in argue with that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:woohoo:

Phuckin' A. :woohoo: :laugh:

[amber]

Don't you mean San Jose Ham? Or Marin County Ham? :]
Palo Alto Ham. The best, and the hammiest, ever made....the sense of their own superiority takes them over the top... :woohoo: :laugh: :p They're noted primarily for their admiration of people doing "art" with little or no money, while being filthy rich themselves.... :) :woohoo:

[glitter_fades]

Palo Alto Ham.

They're noted primarily for their admiration of people doing "art" with little or no money, while being filthy rich themselves.... :) :woohoo:

Before I die laughing I think I better go to bed. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Unless it's Sisters Of The Moon From The Mirage Video.

:] :] :] PANTY REVEALING :] :] :]

MY FAV. EVER

BRAAEEAAAATTHHHAAHHAAAAOOOOOTTTHHHEEEEYYYTYTYTYERRRRRAAAAAAA :cool:

[strandinthewind]

Don't you mean San Jose Ham? Or Marin County Ham? :]

well, it would have to be tofu then and the luster of the joke thus lost in health :wavey:

[cliffdweller]

in The Dance during Landslide when she nodded, arched one eyebrow and sang "And I'm getting older too"

I have to admit, this is the Stevie I first fell in love with. The Dance clinched it for me, I became an instant megafan when I saw this concert.

However, I would give anything to travel back in time to see her at her most raucous with the Mac...it's a side I haven't seen so of course I'm curious.

[amber]

Before I die laughing I think I better go to bed. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:lol:
yes, I would be sad if you died from that... :woohoo:

[sodascouts]

The Dance Stevie was the one I fell in love with, too, simply because I wasn't familiar with her previous work! In fact, when I bought the White Album, I was disappointed in the fact they didn't sound more like they did on the Dance (specifically, I'm So Afraid and Landslide). ISA for obvious reasons, lol, but in the case of Landslide the studio version just didn't seem as emotive, and I missed the little improvisation in the middle - "'cause I, I've built my life around you." This is also true for Silver Springs. While the old one is charming, the Dance version is a lot more emotionally powerful. Of course this is all subjective, but I think a lot of people who got hooked by the Dance view that Stevie as the definitive one, as hard as it is for some of you veteran fans to imagine! It is indeed true that you gravitate towards what you hear first, in most cases at least.

[Serrart]

However it must be noted that Lindsey fans are infact superior to Stevie fans. Their appreciation for such skill and class, in preference to twirling chiffon being their ticket to moral superiority. I know, I am one of them.

How nietzschian of you Lux. Very John Dall in Rope. Very. :nod:

Romy

[Serrart]

The Dance Stevie was the one I fell in love with, too, simply because I wasn't familiar with her previous work! In fact, when I bought the White Album, I was disappointed in the fact they didn't sound more like they did on the Dance (specifically, I'm So Afraid and Landslide). ISA for obvious reasons, lol, but in the case of Landslide the studio version just didn't seem as emotive, and I missed the little improvisation in the middle - "'cause I, I've built my life around you." This is also true for Silver Springs. While the old one is charming, the Dance version is a lot more emotionally powerful. Of course this is all subjective, but I think a lot of people who got hooked by the Dance view that Stevie as the definitive one, as hard as it is for some of you veteran fans to imagine! It is indeed true that you gravitate towards what you hear first, in most cases at least.

I totally agree. From The Dance up to now, is the Stevie period I love more. To see or listen some of her performances in the eighties communicate me a scary and blind sense of loss. The performer she's become after all the pain she had to get through never ceases to amaze me and strikes deeply my heart instead.

Romy

[amber]

Indeed I cannot deny my superior human status but what can one do? It is a tough existence when others wish to deny this gift of mine. Be grateful I execute this via condescending statements to Stevie Nicks fans as opposed to taking the avenue of strangulation, or indeed the desire to seize control of Europe with mass executions.
Maybe you could start with a job, then take over Europe later? Can I come? Oh, wait, no, I"m a nixfan. we are peaceful, we don't like to become controlling despots of entire continents....at least not usually.... ;) :laugh:

[CreepingDeath]

Oh, wait, no, I"m a nixfan. we are peaceful, we don't like to become controlling despots of entire continents....

Hey, speak for yourself darling.

[Serrart]

Indeed I cannot deny my superior human status but what can one do? It is a tough existence when others wish to deny this gift of mine. Be grateful I execute this via condescending statements to Stevie Nicks fans as opposed to taking the avenue of strangulation, or indeed the desire to seize control of Europe with mass executions.

Awww. that's cute. :)

Romy

[amber]

Why do you often mention that? I mean the job bit, not the Europe mention. I'm beginning to detect bitterness.
Oh, do I? Are you sure you didn't make that up, cause I don't recall?! :confused:
However, I guess now that I think about it, I could, theoretically, be insanely jealous of someone without a job. But that's only cause I have one, if I didn't, i'd be insanely jealous of people with jobs. Unless I was rich. Then I'd be insanely superior to both people with and without jobs. I would laugh, laugh, laugh, because I had so much freedom and money. :) :thumbsup:

[Serrart]

Awww, Lux is refraining from using death camps, she's so cute. And now she's talking in the third-person which is less cute and more disturbing.

That's the typical Nietzsche effect. As Hannah Arendt said, in order to go on living one must try to escape the death involved in perfectionism. ;)

Romy

[amber]

That's the typical Nietzsche effect. As Hannah Arendt said, in order to go on living one must try to escape the death involved in perfectionism. ;)

Romy
That's cool you've read Hannah Arendt...All I can think of when I hear that is that scene from Party Girl...In the library...."Hannah Arendt! Where is Hannah Arendt!" and then Parker gives the blank eyed snotty stare... :lol: :lol: ah, Parker, how much I love you... :p

[Serrart]

Or perhaps it's a method of thought invented to account for one's own imperfections but having no causal effect on the reality. In other words, I'm just retarded, it has nothing to do with perfectionism.

Lindsey with retarded fans? Nah! :)

Romy

[Serrart]

That's cool you've read Hannah Arendt...All I can think of when I hear that is that scene from Party Girl...In the library...."Hannah Arendt! Where is Hannah Arendt!" and then Parker gives the blank eyed snotty stare... :lol: :lol: ah, Parker, how much I love you... :p

I love her philosophy, she showed and taught how to forgive and start again. Her books are a constant source of inspiration for me.

Romy

[amber]

I love her philosophy, she showed and taught how to forgive and start again. Her books are a constant source of inspiration for me.

Romy
Oh, nice. I've never read any, obviously. That movie is a constant source of inspiration for me, though.... :lol:
Thanks for the recommend -

[cliffdweller]

Of course this is all subjective, but I think a lot of people who got hooked by the Dance view that Stevie as the definitive one, as hard as it is for some of you veteran fans to imagine! It is indeed true that you gravitate towards what you hear first, in most cases at least.

:nod: exactly.

and...Silver Springs from the Dance will always give me chills.