Martha Freed!

[gldstwmn]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/03/news/newsmakers/martha_walkup/index.htm?cnn=yes
Martha is free

The celebrity homemaker bids good-bye to "Camp Cupcake"; heads for upstate New York home.
March 4, 2005: 12:31 AM EST
By Krysten Crawford, CNN/Money staff writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Martha Stewart, the lifestyle expert whose own life has been consumed by scandal in recent years, was released at 12:30 a.m. Friday from a prison in West Virginia.

Stewart spent the last five months at the minimum-security prison for women convicts in Alderson, W. Va. known as "Camp Cupcake." She was expected to go to a local airport, where she will begin her 550-mile journey home.

Next week marks the one-year anniversary of Stewart's conviction on felony charges related to a personal stock sale. Last summer she was sentenced to five months in prison and five months of home detention, followed by two years of probation.

Stewart was due to fly on a chartered plane that will take her near her upstate New York estate. She will now wear an ankle monitor as she serves the home confinement portion of her sentence.

Stewart's official return to the public eye will be big news, and she apparently is ready to relish the moment.

Her company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, planned to provide a flatbed truck so media images of her boarding her plane could be broadcast around the world, CNN learned earlier this week.

She was not expected to address the media, but would post a statement on her personal Web site upon her release, said a company spokeswoman.

It's a dramatic turnaround from last October when Stewart, a convicted felon, her image obviously bruised, slipped unnoticed into the minimum-security prison in Alderson, W. Va., known as "Camp Cupcake."

She could have stayed out of prison, possibly for good, if she had waited until a court ruled on her still-pending appeal. But she said she wanted to put the nearly three-year-old ordeal behind her, both for her sake and for that of her company, which has been bleeding money because of her legal woes.

The comeback kid?
Prison apparently has done wonders for Stewart. News reports have said she's lost weight and been a model prisoner. In the beginning she reached out to the public with letters posted on her Web site discussing her daily life behind bars, the bad prison food, and federal sentencing guidelines, which she thinks treat first-time offenders unfairly.

After making so many wrong moves throughout her criminal case, Stewart finally started making some right ones.

Marketing experts say the smartest of all was the decision to go to prison early, a sacrifice that signaled the beginning of the end of the whole debacle.

"In May 2002, if you asked me anything about Martha Stewart, all of my responses would have been positive," said marketing expert Robert Passikoff, referring to the early stages of the Stewart scandal.

But her open defiance after her 2003 indictment, as well as damaging testimony at trial, hurt her image considerably, Passikoff said. "It wasn't just that she was found guilty. She was also found to be mean-spirited."

By going to prison early, Stewart turned herself from "villain to victim," he said.

Hence, marketing experts said, the warm homecoming she's getting -- not just from the media, which has splashed Stewart all over newspapers and magazines all week, but also from her company, which not long ago seemed to be distancing herself from Martha.

Investors, too, are cheering. Stock in Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia (Research) has more than quadrupled, to around $34, from the day she was sentenced last July. The shares are near their all-time high, a big boost for Stewart who still controls a majority of the company's stock.

But leaving Camp Cupcake doesn't mean Stewart's rehabilitation is over. For starters, she'll spend the next five months confined to her Bedford, N.Y. estate, wearing an electronic ankle bracelet. She'll be on probation for two years after that.

There's also much work to be done turning around her company, which just posted its second straight annual loss after losing advertisers, a television show, and investing in products minus Stewart's name, like "Everyday Food" magazine.

Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia has already announced plans to have Stewart write a column for the company's flagship Martha Stewart Living magazine. Also filling up her schedule: She's scheduled to star in two television shows next fall and there are rumors of plans to launch a clothing line.

Stewart also faces a Securities and Exchange Commission insider trading case that seeks to bar her from serving as an officer or director of any public company, including her own. Rumors of a settlement that would allow Stewart to return to the helm of Martha Stewart Living were rampant last week.

Last but not least, there's the appeal of her conviction on four felony counts of lying and obstructing justice. Oral arguments are set for March 17, according to a source close to Stewart.

[tynan88]

YAY I'm glad shes out, she didn't deserve that punishment.

[GODDESS6]

whoopee :blob1: go martha!!!~

[ontheEdgeof17]

I drove by her prison on the way to Roanoke over the weekend. I should have stopped to say 'hello' since she was leaving WV soon.

[GypsySorcerer]

YAY I'm glad shes out, she didn't deserve that punishment.

Definitely. I was a witch hunt all the way.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I'm so pathetic I was up till 1 AM last night watching the coverage..she was supposed to leave Alderson at 12:01 AM, her car rolled out at like 12 :30, then I just HAD to wait up and watch her get out at the airport by her private jet..and she looked great, so thin and radiant...It was like a big scene though, helicopters following her convoy to the airport....the whole thing...

Chris

[gldstwmn]

I'm so happy for her. I have to give her much respect for doing her time when she could have waited it out on appeal.
I would have gone home and taken the longest bath of my life. :laugh:

[LilyRose]

I would have gone home and taken the longest bath of my life. :laugh:

Amen! :thumbsup:

She looked amazing for someone who just got out of jail. She looked like she came back from a retreat.

I'm happy for her though. She didn't deserve it in the first place.


Susie

[SuzeQuze]

Amen! :thumbsup:

She looked amazing for someone who just got out of jail. She looked like she came back from a retreat.

I'm happy for her though. She didn't deserve it in the first place.

Susie

She was kind of glowing! That punishment certainly did not fit the crime. I'm not a fan of Martha but I am glad she is out.

[wondergirl9847]

Like I said in another thread on this board...only murderers, rapists and child molesters should be in jail/prison. White collar criminals should not.

[LilyRose]

Like I said in another thread on this board...only murderers, rapists and child molesters should be in jail/prison. White collar criminals should not.


I agree with that.


Susie

[DrummerDeanna]

Like I said in another thread on this board...only murderers, rapists and child molesters should be in jail/prison. White collar criminals should not.


Seriously. There are rapists/murderers and such on the streets as we speak - but they lock up Martha Stewart :rolleyes: do you feel safe :laugh: ?

Anyway - I'm also not a fan but glad she's out and I do think it's admirable that she just went ahead and did the time....now she can put it all behind her and move on :D

[wondergirl9847]

Seriously. There are rapists/murderers and such on the streets as we speak - but they lock up Martha Stewart :rolleyes: do you feel safe :laugh: ?

OMG, she's going to attack you with her 300 thread count sheets?!?! RUN PEOPLE RUN!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[DrummerDeanna]

OMG, she's going to attack you with her 300 thread count sheets?!?! RUN PEOPLE RUN!!!!!

:rolleyes:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: seriously.

[LilyRose]

As David Letterman's been calling her lately...Martha "Mad Dog" Stewart :D


Susie

[seeker007nmss]

OMG, she's going to attack you with her 300 thread count sheets?!?! RUN PEOPLE RUN!!!!!

:rolleyes:

300?!? Martha wouldn't be caught dead in anything under 500. :D

[seeker007nmss]

Like I said in another thread on this board...only murderers, rapists and child molesters should be in jail/prison. White collar criminals should not.


I don't know, what about the white collar crime of Enron that ruined HUNDREDS of lives by taking all their retirement savings, while they bought million dollar homes..etc.? :shrug:

[SuzeQuze]

I don't know, what about the white collar crime of Enron that ruined HUNDREDS of lives by taking all their retirement savings, while they bought million dollar homes..etc.? :shrug:

Jail. Some white collar criminals should get jail time IMO. I think Martha should have just gotten house arrest for 1-3 mos. 5 mos in jail was way excessive.

[golddustwoman77]

I'm glad she is out and can get back to coloring the world "decorated!" Go, Martha, Go!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[tynan88]

It seems the tall poppy syndrome exists in America too, it is just when people get too big people will do anything to drag them down, sad really.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Seriously. There are rapists/murderers and such on the streets as we speak - but they lock up Martha Stewart :rolleyes: do you feel safe :laugh: ?

Anyway - I'm also not a fan but glad she's out and I do think it's admirable that she just went ahead and did the time....now she can put it all behind her and move on :D

What makes me mad about the whole thing was that Martha used to be a broker, she knew the rules and she just didn't care! She knew what she was doing was illegal and wrong, but that didn't stop her!

[GateandGarden]

Just when you thought you were safe. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Amen! :thumbsup:

She looked amazing for someone who just got out of jail. She looked like she came back from a retreat.

I'm happy for her though. She didn't deserve it in the first place.


Susie

That poncho she was wearing was fab!

[gldstwmn]

I don't know, what about the white collar crime of Enron that ruined HUNDREDS of lives by taking all their retirement savings, while they bought million dollar homes..etc.? :shrug:

What Martha did harmed no one. No one.

[amber]

What Martha did harmed no one. No one.
Really? Did it harm people who were already rich? I'm not very schooled on exactly what the whole insider trading thing involves...

[gldstwmn]

Really? Did it harm people who were already rich? I'm not very schooled on exactly what the whole insider trading thing involves...

She sold her shares of ImClone right before it was announced that it would not garner FDA approval. She made about $40,000, I think? I mean come on, the woman is a billionaire. No one was harmed by that. Hell, her broker probably made himself a nice commission.

[amber]

She sold her shares of ImClone right before it was announced that it would not garner FDA approval. She made about $40,000, I think? I mean come on, the woman is a billionaire. No one was harmed by that. Hell, her broker probably made himself a nice commission.
That's it?! Lame - O.

[estranged4life]

could really give a **** either way, But I think she got hosed.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That's it?! Lame - O.

It still is illegal regardless of how "lame" it may have been, or how many people it didn't hurt!

[dissention]

It still is illegal regardless of how "lame" it may have been, or how many people it didn't hurt!

Would be saying this because she happens to be an incredibly generous monetary contributor to the Democrats?

I don't exactly see you hooting and hollering over Bush's insider trading.

[amber]

It still is illegal regardless of how "lame" it may have been, or how many people it didn't hurt!
true, but still, the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.

[dissention]

It still is illegal regardless of how "lame" it may have been, or how many people it didn't hurt!

Also, as a Republican, shouldn't you be concerned with overcrowding and wasting tax dollars on incarcerating people like that? Putting Martha Stewart through such a spectacle of a trial and then sending her off to prison certainly isn't what I would call fiscal responsibility.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

true, but still, the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.

Well, that is a matter of opinion. Hey, it's not like she went to jail for life! She is already out...I don't even remember her being in prison now! She'll still have her career and money, and all her fans now are happy. If you ask me they went easy on her.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Also, as a Republican, shouldn't you be concerned with overcrowding and wasting tax dollars on incarcerating people like that? Putting Martha Stewart through such a spectacle of a trial and then sending her off to prison certainly isn't what I would call fiscal responsibility.

No, not when it's Martha! It's just to good to pass up. :thumbsup:

[dissention]

No, not when it's Martha! It's just to good to pass up. :thumbsup:

I see. She wears pants, so she's the enemy, eh? ;)

[GateandGarden]

I see. She wears pants, so she's the enemy, eh? ;):lol: :thumbsup:

[amber]

Well, that is a matter of opinion. Hey, it's not like she went to jail for life! She is already out...I don't even remember her being in prison now! She'll still have her career and money, and all her fans now are happy. If you ask me they went easy on her.
That's ludicrous. I swear, there are robbers and rapists who serve less time...but, If you want to think that, go ahead. I'll just mark you off in the "uninformed" column and move on. :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I see. She wears pants, so she's the enemy, eh? ;)

LOL! No, she breaks the law, so she is the enemy! Especially the fact that she used to be a broker! THAT is what really makes me so mad about the entire thing. She knew the rules and knew what she was doing was just STUPID and WRONG! If anything she should have went to prison for stupidity if not for the crime itself.

[dissention]

LOL! No, she breaks the law, so she is the enemy! Especially the fact that she used to be a broker! THAT is what really makes me so mad about the entire thing. She knew the rules and knew what she was doing was just STUPID and WRONG! If anything she should have went to prison for stupidity if not for the crime itself.

The day we start locking people up for being stupid is the day half of this country becomes cellblock neighbors.

Martha Stewart deserved house arrest and a fine, nothing more.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

The day we start locking people up for being stupid is the day half of this country becomes cellblock neighbors.

Martha Stewart deserved house arrest and a fine, nothing more.

That's basically what she got. I'm sure she was treated like a queen in prison.

[GateandGarden]

I'll just mark you off in the "uninformed" column... :wavey:What took you so long? :laugh:

[amber]

What took you so long? :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh:
Well, it was marked before, i just thought i'd say it again... :D

[dissention]

That's basically what she got. I'm sure she was treated like a queen in prison.

No, she went to prison and is now being put under house arrest. :shrug: Either way you slice the bread, it's still stale. And you still haven't said a thing about Bush's insider trading. Should he have gone to prison?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, she went to prison and is now being put under house arrest. :shrug: Either way you slice the bread, it's still stale. And you still haven't said a thing about Bush's insider trading. Should he have gone to prison?

I didn't realize this topic was about Bush? I am trying to stay away from most of the political topics on this forum, they ususally lead no where!

[dissention]

I didn't realize this topic was about Bush? I am trying to stay away from most of the political topics on this forum, they ususally lead no where!

You made the statement that someone who commits insider trading is breaking the law, so they are the enemy and should be put in prison. I'm simply asking if the same standard applies to the chimp.

[strandinthewind]

Definitely. I was a witch hunt all the way.

AARRGGHH!!!!! PET PEEVE :laugh:

If anyone thinks it is okay to lie to the police - then I just do not know why we bother having laws at all :mad:

Note - this is not directed at anyone in particular - just general venting :cool:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You made the statement that someone who commits insider trading is breaking the law, so they are the enemy and should be put in prison. I'm simply asking if the same standard applies to the chimp.

Again, avoiding this altogether...I knew that somehow this would become end up being about Bush, just like most threads on this board.

Sorry...I'm avoiding the political topics on this board now. You guys can find another republican to treat like dirt...not me anymore, I'm done!

[heyjupiter678]

I'm simply asking if the same standard applies to the chimp. Duh, diss. Of course not! He can do no wrong!

[strandinthewind]

What Martha did harmed no one. No one.

Which thing - lying to the police or using inside information to get out of losing money on an investment while the uninformed little people had no such luxury :shrug: I mean W did the essentially the same thing with that oil company stock and no one here defends him :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Also, as a Republican, shouldn't you be concerned with overcrowding and wasting tax dollars on incarcerating people like that? Putting Martha Stewart through such a spectacle of a trial and then sending her off to prison certainly isn't what I would call fiscal responsibility.

Again, screw it, let us just let all people lie to the piloce with no ramifications that mean anything. Maybe we should have just fined her $100 and called her a nasty name. Again, she lied to the police in an investigation and you people are willing to let her off the hook. i will never get it - ever.

AND - she has no one to thank but herself - she lied :shrug:

[dissention]

Again, screw it, let us just let all people lie to the piloce with no ramifications that mean anything. Maybe we should have just fined her $100 and called her a nasty name. Again, she lied to the police in an investigation and you people are willing to let her off the hook. i will never get it - ever.

AND - she has no one to thank but herself - she lied :shrug:

I never said let her off the hook. Quote me. I simply recommended a different form of punishment that fit the crime.

[strandinthewind]

That's ludicrous. I swear, there are robbers and rapists who serve less time...but, If you want to think that, go ahead. I'll just mark you off in the "uninformed" column and move on. :wavey:

I suggest no convicted rapist has ever served six months in a minimum security prison :shrug: If you can find such a case - I would be interested to see it because every rape statute I can think of allows no such light penalty. But, you may know of one that does :shrug:

AND - MS did steal, she stole from the people who did not have the luxury of her insider information - yet she gets a free pass.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I suggest no convicted rapist has ever served six months in a minimum security prison :shrug: If you can find such a case - I would be interested to see it because every rape statute I can think of allows no such light penalty. But, you may know of one that does :shrug:

AND - MS did steal, she stole from the people who did not have the luxury of her insider information - yet she gets a free pass.

Very great points. I agree.

[strandinthewind]

The day we start locking people up for being stupid is the day half of this country becomes cellblock neighbors.

Martha Stewart deserved house arrest and a fine, nothing more.

Wasn't she offered a fine and to plead guilty and she refused it :shrug: Again, she is to blame for this. She chose to lie and thought there would be no consequences - she was wrong.

I do agree with you that there are larger fish than Martha to fry. However, breaking the law is breaking the law no matter who you are :shrug: Thus, I have no pity for her.

[GateandGarden]

I am trying to stay away from most of the political topics on this forum, they ususally lead no where!They do not! We engage in some very enthralling discussions about politics on here. They're the most interesting I encounter. I've learned a lot from reading posts by Josh, Jason, Christy, Tiff and several others. They have made me look past myself and see other viewpoints. There are lots of differing opinions here--you just don't see that for some reason.

You guys can find another republican to treat like dirt...not me anymore, I'm done!Considering how dramatically different the other Republicans on this board act towards everyone, I think everyone would have to come down to good ole Louisiana to find another Republican similar to you.

[amber]

I suggest no convicted rapist has ever served six months in a minimum security prison :shrug: If you can find such a case - I would be interested to see it because every rape statute I can think of allows no such light penalty. But, you may know of one that does :shrug:

AND - MS did steal, she stole from the people who did not have the luxury of her insider information - yet she gets a free pass.
Ah! So glad you're here. I still don't think the punishment fits the crime, though, which was my point.

[strandinthewind]

No, she went to prison and is now being put under house arrest. :shrug: Either way you slice the bread, it's still stale. And you still haven't said a thing about Bush's insider trading. Should he have gone to prison?


Yes he should have if they could prove it, which it appears they could have.

Interestingly, Martha sis not go to jail for insider trading, she went for obstruction of justice, and she was guilty of that.

[GateandGarden]

Wasn't she offered a fine and to plead guilty and she refused it :shrug:So, she's still saying that she's innocent at this point?

[strandinthewind]

I never said let her off the hook. Quote me. I simply recommended a different form of punishment that fit the crime.

I think a fine and house arret is a slap on the wrist for a billionaire who lives in a palace :shrug: How is out justice system to work is we allow people to lie with no meaningful consequences :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

. . . I've learned a lot from reading posts by Josh, Jason, Christy, Tiff and several others . . . .

I am flattered and honored!!!! - Thank You!

[dissention]

I think a fine and house arret is a slap on the wrist for a billionaire who lives in a palace :shrug: How is out justice system to work is we allow people to lie with no meaningful consequences :shrug:

If the justice system actually worked, you might have a point.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

They do not! We engage in some very enthralling discussions about politics on here. They're the most interesting I encounter. I've learned a lot from reading posts by Josh, Jason, Christy, Tiff and several others. They have made me look past myself and see other viewpoints. There are lots of differing opinions here--you just don't see that for some reason.

Considering how dramatically different the other Republicans on this board act towards everyone, I think everyone would have to come down to good ole Louisiana to find another Republican similar to you.

regardless I still don't have the time to invest in some of these political debates (which I feel lead no where). So, anyways, I am limiting myself from talking in political threats on the ledge. Wish all the other republicans (if there are any) on the ledge the best of luck.

[strandinthewind]

So, she's still saying that she's innocent at this point?


Of the inider trading and she is appealing the obstruction of justice conviction - she just chose to go ahead and serve the time for it. Intersestingly, if her conviction for obstruction of justice is overturned - even though she served time, she will never have been convicted a la Ollie North (HELLLOOOOOO DISSESTION!!!!!! :cool: )

[GateandGarden]

Of the inider trading and she is appealing the obstruction of justice conviction - she just chose to go ahead and serve the time for it. Intersestingly, if her conviction for obstruction of justice is overturned - even though she served time, she will never have been convicted a la Ollie North (HELLLOOOOOO DISSESTION!!!!!! :cool: )It's hard for me to understand why she preferred to serve time. :confused:

[strandinthewind]

If the justice system actually worked, you might have a point.

Thus my point that it cannot work if we allow people to lie to the police with no meaningful consequence.

I do agree with you that the MS conviction was a witch hunt in the sense that there are far worse out there that escape prosectuion for a variety of reasons - but I cannot say she did not commit the crime. Thus, she did the time.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's hard for me to understand why she preferred to serve time. :confused:


I guess when you are trying to prove that you are innocent to the public you will go to jail to get that point across....maybe? who knows!

[dissention]

I guess when you are trying to prove that you are innocent to the public you will go to jail to get that point across....maybe? who knows!

It's called dignity.

[strandinthewind]

It's hard for me to understand why she preferred to serve time. :confused:


I think she did a marketing study and determined she would be seen as a martyr for doing so. I think it was a business decision. I think most people would act in a second on insider info. if they knew they could not get caught for doing so. Thus, the sympathize with MS. AND - the meteoric rise of her company's stock price seemingly supports this theory.

[strandinthewind]

It's called dignity.

Boy she sure a whole ot of that when she lied to the pilce in an effort to escape prosecution :rolleyes:

Cheap shot I know - but it is true and i took it anyway :wavey:

[amber]

If the justice system actually worked, you might have a point.
Just wanted to bump this. Her sentence was comparatively crazy...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think she did a marketing study and determined she would be seen as a martyr for doing so. I think it was a business decision. I think most people would act in a second on insider info. if they knew they could not get caught for doing so. Thus, the sympathize with MS. AND - the meteoric rise of her company's stock price seemingly supports this theory.

I agree with you. But you have to give her credit, when it comes to things like that she is a smart cookie! (When it comes to insider traiding and getting caught....a stupid cookie!)

[dissention]

Boy she sure a whole ot of that when she lied to the pilce in an effort to escape prosecution :rolleyes:

Cheap shot I know - but it is true and i took it anyway :wavey:

I know, no one would ever lie to the police if they saw everything they ever worked for flash in front of them and fall to pieces. I mean, she can't possibly be human. :rolleyes:

C'mon. I get that she broke the law, but the punishment did not fit the crime in my eyes. Disagree all you want, but that's what I believe. But I'm sure you support mandatory minimum drug laws, too. :p

[strandinthewind]

. . . But I'm sure you support mandatory minimum drug laws, too. :p

speaking of cheap shots :laugh: actually this one is non sequitor in that your comparison or analogy of a six months incarceration in a minimum security facility to YEARS of incarceration for drug convistions is specious at best.

[amber]

I know, no one would ever lie to the police if they saw everything they ever worked for flash in front of them and fall to pieces. I mean, she can't possibly be human. :rolleyes:

C'mon. I get that she broke the law, but the punishment did not fit the crime in my eyes. Disagree all you want, but that's what I believe. But I'm sure you support mandatory minimum drug laws, too. :p
Exactly what I was thinking...sooo lame.

[amber]

speaking of cheap shots :laugh: actually this one is non sequitor in that your comparison or analogy of a six months incarceration in a minimum security facility to YEARS of incarceration for drug convistions is specious at best.
Not really. And what about comparing it to 2 years for assault and rape? (with parole) not specious at all, to me. :shrug: Another case where the punishment doesn't fit the crime...

[dissention]

speaking of cheap shots :laugh: actually this one is non sequitor in that your comparison or analogy of a six months incarceration in a minimum security facility to YEARS of incarceration for drug convistions is specious at best.

No, because I wasn't comparing the length of prison stays, I was comparing the fact that the punishments do not fit the crime the majority of the time.

[GateandGarden]

I am flattered and honored!!!! - Thank You!You're welcome. :xoxo:

[gldstwmn]

Would be saying this because she happens to be an incredibly generous monetary contributor to the Democrats?

I don't exactly see you hooting and hollering over Bush's insider trading.

How's about brother Neil and Silverado Banking? Do you know what that is Brown Eye? Bring it. :woohoo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How''s about brother Neil and Silverado Banking. Do you know what that is Brown Eye? Bring it. :woohoo:

I think it's best to read all posts in a thread before replying.

[gldstwmn]

I didn't realize this topic was about Bush? I am trying to stay away from most of the political topics on this forum, they ususally lead no where!

Harken Energy-George Bush?
Silverado Banking-Neil Bush?
$200,000 undeclared designer gowns and jewelry-Colomba Bush? (or however her name is spelled.)
Put up or **** up brotha.

[gldstwmn]

Again, avoiding this altogether...I knew that somehow this would become end up being about Bush, just like most threads on this board.

Sorry...I'm avoiding the political topics on this board now. You guys can find another republican to treat like dirt...not me anymore, I'm done!

Ciao! :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Which thing - lying to the police or using inside information to get out of losing money on an investment while the uninformed little people had no such luxury :shrug: I mean W did the essentially the same thing with that oil company stock and no one here defends him :shrug:

He didn't go to jail, either. He was never tried, not even close. :rolleyes:
If you want to make the argument fine but what's good for the goose is good for the gander and in George's case well there is no gander so your argument is basically a straw man.

[gldstwmn]

Again, screw it, let us just let all people lie to the piloce with no ramifications that mean anything. Maybe we should have just fined her $100 and called her a nasty name. Again, she lied to the police in an investigation and you people are willing to let her off the hook. i will never get it - ever.

AND - she has no one to thank but herself - she lied :shrug:

What about Ken Lay? Or how about Novak? That ****er committed treason.

[gldstwmn]

Yes he should have if they could prove it, which it appears they could have.

Interestingly, Martha sis not go to jail for insider trading, she went for obstruction of justice, and she was guilty of that.

Isn't someone guilty of obstuction of justice in the Plame case? Why isn't your precious government persuing that? :mad:

[gldstwmn]

I think a fine and house arret is a slap on the wrist for a billionaire who lives in a palace :shrug: How is out justice system to work is we allow people to lie with no meaningful consequences :shrug:

Ask Ken Lay.

[gldstwmn]

I think it's best to read all posts in a thread before replying.

Yep. I hear the Brown Eye talking.

[tynan88]

I think it is a bit silly to put these people in prison for these crimes while the resources I feel could be better spent, the way I see Martha as always going to go to prison, just because for some reason she needed to have an example set against her.

[seeker007nmss]

true, but still, the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.

She lied. KInda like Clinton...it wasn't the act it self, it was the lieing to cover it up. I like what the one diplomat said, "If that wasn't a sexual relationship, then she wasn't doing it right". Why can't these people just say...Yeah I did it.....and take the heat and go on.?

[seeker007nmss]

It's called dignity.


Diginity???? I know someone who use to work for her, she is mean, cheap, and beyond arrogant. She couldn't care less for anyone but herself, and treats her staff like crap. I just can't stand the women. Nice facade in public, but in real life...... :mad: Why people like her is beyond me.

[amber]

She lied. KInda like Clinton...it wasn't the act it self, it was the lieing to cover it up. I like what the one diplomat said, "If that wasn't a sexual relationship, then she wasn't doing it right". Why can't these people just say...Yeah I did it.....and take the heat and go on.?
Yeah, it would be great if no one lied. And, not to be rude, but wasn't there someone more nefarious and evil they could've been going after? :confused: Maybe someone who lies and uses guns? :laugh:
I still think TPDFTC! :shrug: And believe me, i have no love for Martha Stewart. None. But still.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yep. I hear the Brown Eye talking.

I was just saying that we had already adressed the issue you had posted about. So I just wanted to make sure you read it all....that's all.

I'm not going to argue with you, get mad, angry, or even discuss this with you...because it never leads anywhere. So, I'm sorry, you can play your own games by yourself.

[SuzeQuze]

Diginity???? I know someone who use to work for her, she is mean, cheap, and beyond arrogant. She couldn't care less for anyone but herself, and treats her staff like crap. I just can't stand the women. Nice facade in public, but in real life...... :mad: Why people like her is beyond me.

You know, I don't like her. But I still think the punishment was too stiff. I do believe she deserved to be punished though. You just can't commit a crime, lie about it, and claim to be innocent when you are not. There has to be a consequence or we don't have a "society". Clearly she wasn't a risk to commit another crime so 5 mos in jail and then 5 more house arrest is excessive. Granted, her home is a palace but as a billionaire she is used to being able to go anywhere she wants. A few months of house arrest would have been a sufficient punishment. I don't think she'll ever commit this type of crime again.

As to why she won't admit to doing wrong? There seems to be some people that believe that if they don't admit to guilt then they are not guilty regardless of the facts. Whether this is due to arrogance, self-delusion, or some philosophy I am not sure. I wouldn't behave this way and I believe that if you cannot admit to something you've done wrong that is a severe character issue. I would never trust a person like this. Unfortunately alot of people in leadership positions behave this way.

I really hope Martha has learned something from this. I hope that even if she doesn't show it she feels some remorse for what she did. This could be an opportunity for her to be a better person and I hope she seizes it.

And yes, her poncho was fabulous.

[dissention]

Diginity???? I know someone who use to work for her, she is mean, cheap, and beyond arrogant. She couldn't care less for anyone but herself, and treats her staff like crap. I just can't stand the women. Nice facade in public, but in real life...... :mad: Why people like her is beyond me.

I'm not a Stewart fan, but I have much respect for her. She worked her ass off to get where she is today and regardless of whether she's a bitch or not, that will never change. She's a self-made woman with brains and drive, she's got my respect in spades.

She handled this entire witch hunt with class and dignity, but that's just my opinion.

[gldstwmn]

I'm not a Stewart fan, but I have much respect for her. She worked her ass off to get where she is today and regardless of whether she's a bitch or not, that will never change. She's a self-made woman with brains and drive, she's got my respect in spades.

She handled this entire witch hunt with class and dignity, but that's just my opinion.

I didn't care for her before but anyone who is willing to do time for the crime when they could have waited it out on appeal gets props from me.

[strandinthewind]

What about Ken Lay? Or how about Novak? That ****er committed treason.


I am all for trying those people. I just do not think it is correct to say Martha should be exonerated because she was the subject of a witch hunt - she commited the crime pure and simple and she also did insider trading, though they never tried to prove that because they had a clear cut case of obstruction.

[gldstwmn]

I am all for trying those people. I just do not think it is correct to say Martha should be exonerated because she was the subject of a witch hunt - she commited the crime pure and simple and she also did insider trading, though they never tried to prove that because they had a clear cut case of obstruction.

I never said she was innocent. :confused:

[strandinthewind]

I didn't care for her before but anyone who is willing to do time for the crime when they could have waited it out on appeal gets props from me.


Me too - though I think she did the time ahead of time because she knew it was a good publicity move.

In the end, the MS case in interesting because I think people in some weird way do not care about lying to the police when it is someone they like - when it is someone they do not like or a situation they do not like, then they get all up in arms about it as in this case.

[strandinthewind]

I never said she was innocent. :confused:

I know - but I think you are up in arms about her trail and conviction, which I do not get because she was guilty of obstruction and according to the facts insider trading. Yet, people think she got a bum deal. I do not get that. She broke the law and also used her position to get an illegal advantage over other Imclone stockholders. To me, that gets her no sympathy.

But, she has done her time (most of it) and I will continue to like her. I really never stopped liking her, though she was guilty.

[gldstwmn]

I know - but I think you are up in arms about her trail and conviction,
No, I'm not. :confused: