Georgia Religious Conservatism

[strandinthewind]

Gay school club splits Cleveland

> By ALAN SVERDLIK
For the Journal-Constitution
> Published on: 02/24/05

CLEVELAND — In a North Georgia community that values politeness next to godliness, what would incite students at the lone high school to jeer a 16-year-old classmate as she walked down the auditorium aisle, rose in hand, during the annual Valentine's Day assembly?

In the words of senior Stephen Milhollin, Kerry Pacer did something "unheard of in White County": She founded a club for gay students and their allies.

The possibility that the Gay-Straight Alliance soon will be meeting at White County High School has swept this town of two traffic lights into a state of anxiety as it waits for the controversy to be resolved at tonight's school board meeting, if it's resolved at all.

The undercurrent in the debate is more Old South vs. New than straight vs. gay. As newcomers have flocked to the Georgia mountains, they have brought with them attitudes and assumptions at odds with Appalachia's deep-seated conservatism. An uneasy détente usually prevails, but sometimes the volatile mix of ideas combusts.

"You say the word 'gay' around here and people run and hide," said Cheryl Fister, a 42-year-old transplant from Ohio who arrived seven years ago with her husband and daughter. "We were all put on earth by a loving God. If you're with somebody you truly love, even if they're of the same sex, you must be doing the right thing."

A town divided

A native son doesn't see things that way. "If these kids feel that being gay is completely normal, then why are they putting their sexuality on parade?" asked Kenneth Monroe, 56, a feed supplier who traces his family's roots here to the early 1800s. "It's not the kind of thing that goes over well in the mountains."

The founding of the GSA seemed like a done deal earlier this month when a group of students led by Kerry, her mother and a member of a homosexual rights advocacy group approached the school administration. Paul Shaw, the school superintendent, told them the GSA might be formed as long as it met the criteria for all extracurricular clubs.

"The administration is opposed to this action, but the Equal Access Act requires that students be allowed to form a club if there are other noncurricular clubs operating at the school," Shaw said in an e-mail to the school faculty. "It has been suggested that I spend tax dollars to fight the law. I do not believe I need to spend tax dollars on a case that cannot be won."

As word spread, the atmosphere in Cleveland, birthplace of the Cabbage Patch dolls, became charged. Calls jammed phone lines at the school's office. Letters to the editor of the local weekly teemed with opposition to the club. And beyond the booing of Kerry, her younger sister Lindsay was told to change when she wore a shirt to school that the administration "considered inflammatory," according to Savannah Pacer, the girls' mother. The shirt displayed the word "hate" with a diagonal line through it.

Worried about what was coming from the pulpit, Shaw visited last week's meeting of a local ministerial association to "ask us to tone down the rhetoric," said the Rev. Phil Hoyt, a Methodist pastor.

Amid the furor, the students provided the school with a list of the club's six members, bylaws and the name of a faculty adviser, a ninth-grade English teacher. The GSA has begun to meet informally, with Kerry as president, but the high school "is trying to thwart its formation by stalling" on formal approval, said Beth Littrell, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union's Georgia chapter, which is advising the GSA. "These kids have done everything that every club" at the 1,000-student school has "done to get officially sanctioned."

Despite the superintendent's advice, the White County Board of Education might bow to community pressure and ban the GSA, although a legal challenge from the ACLU would likely.

Having moved to White County a decade ago, the Pacers, who have lived in several other states, are among the newcomers. Savannah Pacer, a native of New Jersey, is active in Parents, Family and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, an organization that counsels the five GSA clubs already existing in Georgia schools.

The incident in the auditorium illustrates how passions have filtered down from adults to kids. Clutching a rose given to her by a female classmate, Kerry, an openly gay junior, joined a procession at the Sweetheart Assembly the Friday before Valentine's Day. Boos filled the air as Kerry followed in step.

"Everyone at school is like 'It's against God. It's against God,' " Kerry said. "They tell me God is watching me, but who is watching them?"

Cultural change

Kerry said Principal Bryan Dorsey had made it clear "he wouldn't make us jump through hoops to get started, but that's basically what he's done." Dorsey has not returned recent phone calls seeking comment. He did respond once, right after news of the club spread, saying he "would not tolerate threats, intimidation or bullying."

Kerry's face is well known in Cleveland, although it's usually shaded by the bill of the purple cap she wears to work at a popular sandwich shop. She was an object in motion Sunday morning, filling orders for the after-church crowd.

A brisk walk from the shop is the Cleveland United Methodist Church, where Hoyt delivers the 11 a.m. sermon. A New Yorker by birth, Hoyt has spent the past 20 years ministering to North Georgia congregations. All the communities he's familiar with are in the grip of cultural change, he said, including White County. "A lot of folks who are moving in have different life experiences, different ideologies," he said. He regards the controversy around the GSA essentially a "theological problem."

"Part and parcel of a lot of these mountain towns is the centrality of religion," he said. "They're already sensitive to change, and here comes a challenge to their moral convictions."

At the Kountry Kupboard, up the highway from the church, the back section is considered the locus of Cleveland's small talk and gossip. Fister, a cashier, looked over her shoulder in mock fear as she talked about "coming to the Bible Belt."

"We wanted to get away from the grime and the noise and the crime," she explained. "We wanted somewhere we could live off the land and purify our souls."

But Fister conceded she cordons herself off from local people when controversy flares because her views conflict so much with theirs. "When the talk turns to gays, it eventually turns to religion," she said. "That's when I kind of bow out."

Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0205/24gsa.html

[strandinthewind]

This is why when people say "I do not have hate for gay people but they are against God" - I think it is hate and they are wrong. The people booing the poor gay girl in this article are kids, not adults. The people saying hateful things like "God is watching you" are kids, not adults. Where did they learn to behave like this? Well, they learned it from their pastors and parents. Interestingly, I highly doubt that the kids having premarital heterosexual sex or otherwise unrepentently sinning are willing to turn that high moral judgement on themselves. That would be too honest and less hypocritical :rolleyes:

AND - this statement pretty much sums it up - "If these kids feel that being gay is completely normal, then why are they putting their sexuality on parade?" - that, in a nutshell means go back in the closet so "we" other unrepentent sinners do not have to look at you.

Thus, the state of rural Georgia and I suggest most of rural America.

[Nixxxed]

A native son doesn't see things that way. "If these kids feel that being gay is completely normal, then why are they putting their sexuality on parade?" asked Kenneth Monroe, 56, a feed supplier who traces his family's roots here to the early 1800s. "It's not the kind of thing that goes over well in the mountains."

He's exactly right. The only kinda thing that REALLY "goes over well in the mountains" is incest. What are these deluded queers thinking? :rolleyes:

[GypsySorcerer]

Thus, the state of rural Georgia and I suggest most of rural America.

Of course. You, Hillary and I could write a book. :laugh: :wavey:

[estranged4life]

is trying to become more Oklahoma like...Tsk, tsk, tsk

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[amber]

They just had an anti gay marriage rally in my very own rural podunk CA. town that i'm from. :laugh: :rolleyes:
But anyway, this is my very favorite part of the whole article:
"her younger sister Lindsay was told to change when she wore a shirt to school that the administration "considered inflammatory," according to Savannah Pacer, the girls' mother. The shirt displayed the word "hate" with a diagonal line through it."

:laugh:
Yep, being against hate is pretty inflammatory, all right! How dare she wear a shirt that says no hate! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

They just had an anti gay marriage rally in my very own rural podunk CA. town that i'm from. :laugh: :rolleyes:
But anyway, this is my very favorite part of the whole article:
"her younger sister Lindsay was told to change when she wore a shirt to school that the administration "considered inflammatory," according to Savannah Pacer, the girls' mother. The shirt displayed the word "hate" with a diagonal line through it."

:laugh:
Yep, being against hate is pretty inflammatory, all right! How dare she wear a shirt that says no hate! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

WTF???? They don't see anything wrong with that? Ugh.

[amber]

WTF???? They don't see anything wrong with that? Ugh.
When i read that, I knew I was dealing with people so backwards that it wasn't even funny. Except, it was funny, because it's so stupid. Also very, very, sad.

[DrummerDeanna]

When i read that, I knew I was dealing with people so backwards that it wasn't even funny. Except, it was funny, because it's so stupid. Also very, very, sad.

:nod: :nod: that caught my eye as well...in my high school there were so many queer kids they pretty much stopped trying to do anything lol - I once got some negative remarks from a vice-principal though on a shirt I was wearing that said, "Hate is not a family value" :rolleyes: how dare I.

The vprincipal told me I would later regret doing things like that and boxing myself into one label..lol....I'd like to see her now old prude...:mad:

Anyway - that story is sad - and it just makes me sick - I feel like this country is on a major backslide in terms of issues such as these :distress:

[dissention]

They just had an anti gay marriage rally in my very own rural podunk CA. town that i'm from. :laugh: :rolleyes:
But anyway, this is my very favorite part of the whole article:
"her younger sister Lindsay was told to change when she wore a shirt to school that the administration "considered inflammatory," according to Savannah Pacer, the girls' mother. The shirt displayed the word "hate" with a diagonal line through it."

:laugh:
Yep, being against hate is pretty inflammatory, all right! How dare she wear a shirt that says no hate! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Is this the same town with an overwhelmingly large penis for a light display? :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

:nod: :nod: that caught my eye as well...in my high school there were so many queer kids they pretty much stopped trying to do anything lol - I once got some negative remarks from a vice-principal though on a shirt I was wearing that said, "Hate is not a family value" :rolleyes: how dare I.

The vprincipal told me I would later regret doing things like that and boxing myself into one label..lol....I'd like to see her now old prude...:mad:

Anyway - that story is sad - and it just makes me sick - I feel like this country is on a major backslide in terms of issues such as these :distress:

:distress: Jeez, "boxing yourself in"? I thought that type of a shirt would indicate an open mind which is quite the contrary. Haha, "old prude" is right. Tell the biyotch that it is because she was boxed into a role she didn't want to do, vice principal, that she felt the need to try to box you into her idea of what you should be. :shrug: I can't believe what so called role models tell kids. As an aside, I'll never forget this, a friend of mine in high school had a guidance counselor tell her she wasn't college material so not to bother applying. :eek: She went on to get her degree. :nod:

[amber]

Is this the same town with an overwhelmingly large penis for a light display? :laugh:
Yep! :lol: :lol: mmm, large penis...okay, technically it's a belltower.
But the County Officials, or the mayor, and some other people, then made a huge announcement that that would not be tolerated, and that Placerville is absolutely a hate free city. :rolleyes:

[dissention]

Yep! :lol: :lol: mmm, large penis...okay, technically it's a belltower.
But the County Officials, or the mayor, and some other people, then made a huge announcement that that would not be tolerated, and that Placerville is absolutely a hate free city. :rolleyes:

Belltower? Looks like a giant dick without a scrotum. Must be pretty stupid people if they couldn't see the insane resemblance to the male appendage. :laugh:

So, the local government condemned the anti-gay rally? That's kind of encouraging. Too bad the mayor isn't Gavin Newsom. I <3 Gavin Newsom. :D

[DrummerDeanna]

:distress: Jeez, "boxing yourself in"? I thought that type of a shirt would indicate an open mind which is quite the contrary. Haha, "old prude" is right. Tell the biyotch that it is because she was boxed into a role she didn't want to do, vice principal, that she felt the need to try to box you into her idea of what you should be. :shrug: I can't believe what so called role models tell kids. As an aside, I'll never forget this, a friend of mine in high school had a guidance counselor tell her she wasn't college material so not to bother applying. :eek: She went on to get her degree. :nod:

:nod: I love those stories of counselors telling kids they're not college material - then the kids go on to be successful in college....:nod:

I was told in 8th grade to not even bother trying out for the snare drum line in high school because "freshman were never good enough to make it" well...I am SO glad I didn't let that asshole stop me from trying out - because I made it my freshman year and it turns out the band director had been scouting me out for the last year of middle school :p - I"ll never forget going up to the jerk who told me not to try out at our first game with my snare drum on lol..the look on his face was priceless :p

[amber]

Belltower? Looks like a giant dick without a scrotum. Must be pretty stupid people if they couldn't see the insane resemblance to the male appendage. :laugh:

So, the local government condemned the anti-gay rally? That's kind of encouraging. Too bad the mayor isn't Gavin Newsom. I <3 Gavin Newsom. :D
Well, we probably want it to look like a penis, and feign not knowing, so that we can just keep the penis! :laugh:
Me, too. I hang out across the bay now just hoping to run into him - you know, since he's single and all. ;) :laugh: Not really, but i do think he's cute. And of course his big stand for gay marriage and everything. :) :woohoo:

[dissention]

Speaking of inadvertent penises, does anyone have an original copy of Disney's The Little Mermaid on video? The one with all the characters on the front cover and the gold underwater castle behind them? One of the pillars to the castle is a giant penis. :laugh: It got yanked off the shelf by Disney quicker than anyone could say boo, but my grandmother had already gotten a copy for me. I've seen it fetch a few hundred on eBay!

[dissention]

Me, too. I hang out across the bay now just hoping to run into him - you know, since he's single and all. ;) :laugh: Not really, but i do think he's cute. And of course his big stand for gay marriage and everything. :) :woohoo:

People like Gavin Newsom should the future of the Democratic party, not hacks like Barack Obama. JMO. :D

He seems to be a real stand-up guy, I have much respect for him.

[amber]

Speaking of inadvertent penises, does anyone have an original copy of Disney's The Little Mermaid on video? The one with all the characters on the front cover and the gold underwater castle behind them? One of the pillars to the castle is a giant penis. :laugh: It got yanked off the shelf by Disney quicker than anyone could say boo, but my grandmother had already gotten a copy for me. I've seen it fetch a few hundred on eBay!
If you start the penis discussion yourself, are you really then allowed to say "Speaking of Penises"? You know, cause you are the one who started speaking of penises in the first place? Just wondering.

[dissention]

If you start the penis discussion yourself, are you really then allowed to say "Speaking of Penises"? You know, cause you are the one who started speaking of penises in the first place? Just wondering.

Yeah, sure, why not? :laugh: Why'd you get rid of the giant phallus in your sig, anyway? That sucker cracked me up every time I saw it.

[amber]

Yeah, sure, why not? :laugh: Why'd you get rid of the giant phallus in your sig, anyway? That sucker cracked me up every time I saw it.
I dunno, I'll probably put it back. It began to unsettle me a bit when seeing it over and over, I mean, it really looked like a penis. :laugh: :p I got tired of becoming "strangely flushed" :lol:

[estranged4life]

Speaking of inadvertent penises, does anyone have an original copy of Disney's The Little Mermaid on video? The one with all the characters on the front cover and the gold underwater castle behind them? One of the pillars to the castle is a giant penis. :laugh: It got yanked off the shelf by Disney quicker than anyone could say boo, but my grandmother had already gotten a copy for me. I've seen it fetch a few hundred on eBay!

but I did see an animated porn version online called "The Little Sperm-maid" :rolleyes:

[dissention]

I dunno, I'll probably put it back. It began to unsettle me a bit when seeing it over and over, I mean, it really looked like a penis. :laugh: :p I got tired of becoming "strangely flushed" :lol:

:laugh:

That's the thing that kills me; it looked like an actual johnson. How could these people who put it up not realize it? Surely they drove by it and saw the incredible resemblance. I'm sure the neighborhood kids got a good chuckle out of it. "Let's go down the street and see the giant schlong, Billy!"

[dissention]

but I did see an animated porn version online called "The Little Sperm-maid" :rolleyes:

That is disgusting. :laugh:

[amber]

:laugh:

That's the thing that kills me; it looked like an actual johnson. How could these people who put it up not realize it? Surely they drove by it and saw the incredible resemblance. I'm sure the neighborhood kids got a good chuckle out of it. "Let's go down the street and see the giant schlong, Billy!"
:lol: :lol:
I don't know, but I never noticed either. :confused: That picture was taken from fairly far away, and I think from the side - maybe it looks different up closer and from the front. :shrug: Still, though, it seems like it would look like that no matter what. I dunno, I'll have to do some "research" and get back to you.

[dissention]

:lol: :lol:
I don't know, but I never noticed either. :confused: That picture was taken from fairly far away, and I think from the side - maybe it looks different up closer and from the front. :shrug: Still, though, it seems like it would look like that no matter what. I dunno, I'll have to do some "research" and get back to you.

I would have noticed it right away, the giant head gives it away. :lol:

[amber]

I would have noticed it right away, the giant head gives it away. :lol:
Duh! I know, but no one has ever, ever, said anything, that's why i'm thinking it may look different from a different angle. :confused:

[strandinthewind]

Speaking of inadvertent penises, does anyone have an original copy of Disney's The Little Mermaid on video? The one with all the characters on the front cover and the gold underwater castle behind them? One of the pillars to the castle is a giant penis. :laugh: It got yanked off the shelf by Disney quicker than anyone could say boo, but my grandmother had already gotten a copy for me. I've seen it fetch a few hundred on eBay!

I SOOOOOOOO saw that one :nod: :lol:

[The Tower]

Here's the VHS thingy that Dissention was talking about:

The Little Mermaid's Penis Castle (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=309&item=6368703021&rd=1)

You have to scroll wayyyy down to the largest picture to see the penis. It's so not a big deal, I can't imagine why they decided to change it.

[amber]

Here's the VHS thingy that Dissention was talking about:

The Little Mermaid's Penis Castle (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=309&item=6368703021&rd=1)

You have to scroll wayyyy down to the largest picture to see the penis. It's so not a big deal, I can't imagine why they decided to change it.
It's not that big a deal, I think most people would not have noticed. It is a penis, however. :nod: :lol:

[ontheEdgeof17]

It's not that big a deal, I think most people would not have noticed. It is a penis, however. :nod: :lol:


In Aladdin, Aladdin says something along the lines, "All good teenage girls take off their shirts".......or close to that.

[dissention]

In Aladdin, Aladdin says something along the lines, "All good teenage girls take off their shirts".......or close to that.

It's actually the Genie that says "Take off your clothes, boys and girls" but it's been debunked as untrue. However, there's a frame where the magic carpet lands and creates a cloud of sand that spells out "SEX". :laugh:

Also, in The Rescuers, there's a frame with a photo of a fully nude woman.

[ryan8472]

It's actually the Genie that says "Take off your clothes, boys and girls" but it's been debunked as untrue. However, there's a frame where the magic carpet lands and creates a cloud of sand that spells out "SEX". :laugh:

Also, in The Rescuers, there's a frame with a photo of a fully nude woman.
There's also that "penis" on the cover of The Little Mermaid. :lol: :laugh: :eek:

Oh hee, you guys just mentioned that one. :lol: D'oh!

[dissention]

There's also that "penis" on the cover of The Little Mermaid. :lol: :laugh: :eek:

That's so ten posts ago. :rolleyes: :laugh:

I remember my pig uncle pointing it out to me when I was ten. I was fascinated with that wang for, like, days. :laugh:

[ryan8472]

That's so ten posts ago. :rolleyes: :laugh:

I remember my pig uncle pointing it out to me when I was ten. I was fascinated with that wang for, like, days. :laugh:
Ahem, I *edited*, sir. :lol: :xoxo:

I always hated that story though (The Little Mermaid). Ursula freaked me out, and reminded me of my great aunt, who she looks eerily like. :eek: :laugh:

[dissention]

Ahem, I *edited*, sir. :lol: :xoxo:

I always hated that story though (The Little Mermaid). Ursula freaked me out, and reminded me of my great aunt, who she looks eerily like. :eek: :laugh:

:laugh: Now that's scary.

I like the REAL story of The Little Mermaid, but I hate the Disney one; it's cheesy as hell. Who the heck came up with that ridiculous version is what I want to know.

[heyjupiter678]

However, there's a frame where the magic carpet lands and creates a cloud of sand that spells out "SEX". :laugh: I thought that was in Lion King?

[GypsySorcerer]

It's actually the Genie that says "Take off your clothes, boys and girls" but it's been debunked as untrue. However, there's a frame where the magic carpet lands and creates a cloud of sand that spells out "SEX". :laugh:

Also, in The Rescuers, there's a frame with a photo of a fully nude woman.

There's also the "Lion King" dust cloud that says "sex." And someone supposedly had an erection in another one....Can't remember which one.

[dissention]

Yup, you're right, it's the Lion King. :nod:

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.htm
Claim: The letters S-E-X are formed by a swirling cloud of dust in The Lion King.
Status: Undetermined.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/aladdin.htm
Claim: In the film Aladdin, the hero whispers, "Good teenagers, take off your clothes."
Status: False.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/mermaid.htm
Claim: One of the castle spires on the cover of Disney's The Little Mermaid home video was deliberately drawn as a phallus by a disgruntled artist.
Status: False.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/graphics/phallic.gif

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.htm
Claim: The minister officiating at Ursula's wedding ceremony in The Little Mermaid displays an erection.
Status: False.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/graphics/minister1.jpg

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.htm
Claim: The photographic image of a topless woman can be spotted in the background of The Rescuers.
Status: True.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/graphics/resc1big.jpg

And my personal favorite...

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/menses.htm
Claim: Disney produced an animated film called The Story of Menstruation.
Status: True.

:lol:

[GypsySorcerer]

And my personal favorite...

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/menses.htm
Claim: Disney produced an animated film called The Story of Menstruation.
Status: True.

:lol:

How did they miss that in my sex ed class? :rolleyes: :laugh:

[irishgrl]

Walt must be doing veritable SPINS in his grave! Oh the indignity! Our degenerating FAMILY VALUES!

on a side note, many of the original Fairy Tales were much darker and more graphic, I believe it was the Brothers Grimm who sanitized them and softened them for mass consumption...I read something a long time ago by Tanith Lee that was more along the lines of the original Snow White or Rose Red (I forget which) but I wish that these original tales were more available, I'd like to read more of them

[Gwillaker]

I'm not a hateful guy, but I'm pretty close to hating these kind of redneck morons. I cant stand the self-righteous hypocritical "you're going against God's will" bullschitt. I've read the new testament, and these redneck jagoff's are going against God's will more than any homosexual person, and thats a fact. How could Jesus Christ's message get so distorted and twisted? :shrug:

[DrummerDeanna]

Walt must be doing veritable SPINS in his grave! Oh the indignity! Our degenerating FAMILY VALUES!

on a side note, many of the original Fairy Tales were much darker and more graphic, I believe it was the Brothers Grimm who sanitized them and softened them for mass consumption...I read something a long time ago by Tanith Lee that was more along the lines of the original Snow White or Rose Red (I forget which) but I wish that these original tales were more available, I'd like to read more of them

:nod: In a children's lit class I took my last semester of college we read some of the original fairy tales - they're freaking AWESOME!!! There's one where like a mother kills her son and then cooks him in a stew and the whole family eats it etc....I gotta track down that book - some of them are so morbidly amusing :D


Oh and RYAN! I also have a great aunt who looks like Ursula LOL - in fact my mom, grandma, sister and I started calling my great -aunt "Ursula" behind her back.....:laugh: she even had that facial mole....:eek:

[SuzeQuze]

:nod: I love those stories of counselors telling kids they're not college material - then the kids go on to be successful in college....:nod:

I was told in 8th grade to not even bother trying out for the snare drum line in high school because "freshman were never good enough to make it" well...I am SO glad I didn't let that asshole stop me from trying out - because I made it my freshman year and it turns out the band director had been scouting me out for the last year of middle school :p - I"ll never forget going up to the jerk who told me not to try out at our first game with my snare drum on lol..the look on his face was priceless :p

VERY NICE Deanna! I want to know where the counselors were, I never saw one and man oh man did I need guidance! Apparently you had to seek them out. Whatever. :shrug: Maybe they wouldn't have even helped me, who knows. No one helped me with my college applications and stuff and I couldn't ask for help, still have trouble with that. So I only applied to one school and thankfully got in. But for my ego it would have been cool to be accepted to a few! :D

[DrummerDeanna]

VERY NICE Deanna! I want to know where the counselors were, I never saw one and man oh man did I need guidance! Apparently you had to seek them out. Whatever. :shrug: Maybe they wouldn't have even helped me, who knows. No one helped me with my college applications and stuff and I couldn't ask for help, still have trouble with that. So I only applied to one school and thankfully got in. But for my ego it would have been cool to be accepted to a few! :D


I didn't have any help with my college app either - I did the same thing - applied to one and got it - no actually I also applied to a school in Chicago and got accepted - but I couldn't afford to go - didn't have any guidance in how to apply for financial aid, scholarships etc...:distress:

But yeah - I think things worked out for the best - and how they were supposed to work out for me :) I couldn't ask for more in my life right now....:D

[The Tower]

I was fascinated with that wang for, like, days. :laugh:
Well, this explains a lot.... :laugh: :laugh: :xoxo:

[dissention]

Walt must be doing veritable SPINS in his grave! Oh the indignity! Our degenerating FAMILY VALUES!

on a side note, many of the original Fairy Tales were much darker and more graphic, I believe it was the Brothers Grimm who sanitized them and softened them for mass consumption...I read something a long time ago by Tanith Lee that was more along the lines of the original Snow White or Rose Red (I forget which) but I wish that these original tales were more available, I'd like to read more of them

The Grimm's are the ones who made them so dark to begin with, but with each new edition, they lessened the sex and incest and instead intensified the violence. If you can get them from the library, get these books:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0811816753/qid=1109356404/sr=8-6/ref=pd_ka_1/102-4536514-8786567?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691114692/ref=pd_sim_b_2/102-4536514-8786567?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

I'm a fairy tale buff, so I've read the original stories and they're darker than dark. :laugh: Incest, rape, child abuse, serial killers; the works.

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Well, this explains a lot.... :laugh: :laugh: :xoxo:

Oh, c'mon! What ten year old isn't fascinated by such body parts? :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

The Grimm's are the ones who made them so dark to begin with, but with each new edition, they lessened the sex and incest and instead intensified the violence. If you can get them from the library, get these books:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0811816753/qid=1109356404/sr=8-6/ref=pd_ka_1/102-4536514-8786567?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691114692/ref=pd_sim_b_2/102-4536514-8786567?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

I'm a fairy tale buff, so I've read the original stories and they're darker than dark. :laugh: Incest, rape, child abuse, serial killers; the works.

Ah, yes. The Brothers Grimm. They were fun in my literature classes. :nod:

[SuzeQuze]

The Grimm's are the ones who made them so dark to begin with, but with each new edition, they lessened the sex and incest and instead intensified the violence. If you can get them from the library, get these books:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0811816753/qid=1109356404/sr=8-6/ref=pd_ka_1/102-4536514-8786567?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691114692/ref=pd_sim_b_2/102-4536514-8786567?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

I'm a fairy tale buff, so I've read the original stories and they're darker than dark. :laugh: Incest, rape, child abuse, serial killers; the works.

I read the excerpt of the first book you listed above. Gorgeous. Macabre in the best way, I just HAVE to read these. Thanks for the tip, I have never heard of these. :shocked:

And I love this, "...the stories collected in the nineteenth-century folktale anthologies ...had their origins in an irreverent peasant culture that arose in conscious opposition to the feudal state's ruling class. By overdoing it in the realm of storytelling, these narrators were able to alleviate--if only temporarily--some of the tedium that marked the daily life of their audience ... "

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The Grimm's are the ones who made them so dark to begin with, but with each new edition, they lessened the sex and incest and instead intensified the violence. If you can get them from the library, get these books:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0811816753/qid=1109356404/sr=8-6/ref=pd_ka_1/102-4536514-8786567?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691114692/ref=pd_sim_b_2/102-4536514-8786567?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

I'm a fairy tale buff, so I've read the original stories and they're darker than dark. :laugh: Incest, rape, child abuse, serial killers; the works.
I like them, too, my mom had this giant book of original creepy fairy tales that were very different. Snow White and Rose Red sticks out in my mind the most, but they were all way better than the washed out fairy tales.

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I like them, too, my mom had this giant book of original creepy fairy tales that were very different. Snow White and Rose Red sticks out in my mind the most, but they were all way better than the washed out fairy tales.

Did you watch Faerie Tale Theatre when you were a kid? I was HUGE with those things. I couldn't believe it when they released every episode on DVD last month. I snapped that sucker up faster than I'd snap Jake Weber up off my doorstep. I love all of them, they're truly great.

And I used to go to the Saturday matinees to see the Cannon Movie Tales with my grandma, too. :thumbsup: My favorites were Hansel and Gretel with Cloris Leachman and Beauty and the Beast with Rebecca De Mornay!

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Did you watch Faerie Tale Theatre when you were a kid? I was HUGE with those things. I couldn't believe it when they released every episode on DVD last month. I snapped that sucker up faster than I'd snap Jake Weber up off my doorstep. I love all of them, they're truly great.

And I used to go to the Saturday matinees to see the Cannon Movie Tales with my grandma, too. :thumbsup: My favorites were Hansel and Gretel with Cloris Leachman and Beauty and the Beast with Rebecca De Mornay!
I think I did not watch it, maybe a couple of times. Yeah, wasn't it real life people acting out fairy tales? If it's the one I'm thinking of. Yeah, I just looked it up, that's the one. I didn't really like kids shows with real life actors, or muppets, either, when i was a kid. I liked cartoons only, or, just regular adult shows. I actually would probably enjoy it more now. Have you watched them? Are they good to you as an adult? Oh, by the way, I have $3213 in my pocket, so I think i'm finally gonna rent some movies this weekend. I will get Wendigo, for sure - :D

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I think I did not watch it, maybe a couple of times. Yeah, wasn't it real life people acting out fairy tales? If it's the one I'm thinking of. Yeah, I just looked it up, that's the one. I didn't really like kids shows with real life actors, or muppets, either, when i was a kid. I liked cartoons only, or, just regular adult shows. I actually would probably enjoy it more now. Have you watched them? Are they good to you as an adult?

Oh, I've watched them over and over and over and over, they're just fabulous. The budgets were very low, but the stars attached to them was jaw dropping. Shelley Duvall, Robin Williams, Susan Sarandon, Billy Crystal, Ellen Barkin, Lesley Ann Warren, Christopher Walken, Klaus Kinski, Anjelica Huston; the list goes on. And a lot of the humor was very adult, I dig it. When it comes to fairy tales, I don't think anything beats that show. :thumbsup: Shelley Duvall produced it and you can just tell that a lot of love went into making it a fantastic show.

Oh, by the way, I have $3213 in my pocket, so I think i'm finally gonna rent some movies this weekend. I will get Wendigo, for sure - :D

:blob1: I never tire of talking about that bloody movie because I pick up something new every time I watch it. It's brilliant and one of my favorites. Don't pay attention to the box, though, it's misleading and makes you think you're gonna watch a scary gore flick. :o

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Oh, I've watched them over and over and over and over, they're just fabulous. The budgets were very low, but the stars attached to them was jaw dropping. Shelley Duvall, Robin Williams, Susan Sarandon, Billy Crystal, Ellen Barkin, Lesley Ann Warren, Christopher Walken, Klaus Kinski, Anjelica Huston; the list goes on. And a lot of the humor was very adult, I dig it. When it comes to fairy tales, I don't think anything beats that show. :thumbsup: Shelley Duvall produced it and you can just tell that a lot of love went into making it a fantastic show.



:blob1: I never tire of talking about that bloody movie because I pick up something new every time I watch it. It's brilliant and one of my favorites. Don't pay attention to the box, though, it's misleading and makes you think you're gonna watch a scary gore flick. :o
Yeah, I remember that show had some good stars. Maybe i was a bit older when it came out, actually. I don't see the dates anywhere. But however old you were, I was 6 years older than that, so.
Don't worry about me paying attention to the box of Wendigo, I will get it no matter what. But - what is the plot like? Wait, I can just go look it up I realized. :wavey:

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Yeah, I remember that show had some good stars. Maybe i was a bit older when it came out, actually. I don't see the dates anywhere. But however old you were, I was 6 years older than that, so.
Don't worry about me paying attention to the box of Wendigo, I will get it no matter what. But - what is the plot like? Wait, I can just go look it up I realized. :wavey:

It's actually hard to describe and I don't want to give anything away. :woohoo: It's not much of a horror movie, though, I've no idea why they marketed it as one.

But even if it sucked, it's worth getting just so you can see his ass. :lol:

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It's actually hard to describe and I don't want to give anything away. :woohoo: It's not much of a horror movie, though, I've no idea why they marketed it as one.

But even if it sucked, it's worth getting just so you can see his ass. :lol:
ok. I'm looking forward to a good sex scene, so there better be one! :laugh:
Here's what I know so far:
"

Plot Summary for
Wendigo (2001)
George is a high-strung professional photographer who is starting to unravel from the stress of his work with a Manhattan advertising agency. Needing some time away from the city, Jake, his wife Kim, and their son Miles head to upstate New York to take in the winter sights, though the drive up is hardly relaxing for any of them. George accidentally hits and severely injures a deer that ran onto the icy road; after George stops to inspect the damage, he's confronted by an angry local named Otis who flies into a rage, telling George that he and his fellow hunters had been tracking the deer for some time. An argument breaks out, which leaves George feeling deeply shaken. When George and Kim arrive at their cabin, they discover that it's next door to Otis' property, and they soon find that a dark and intimidating presence seems to have taken over the cottage. Since, when they stopped at a store en route to the cabin, a shopkeeper told Miles about the legend of the Wendigo, a beast from Indian folklore who is half-man, half-deer, and can change itself at will, the child begins to wonder if the creature might have something to do with his family's sudden misfortune."
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ok. I'm looking forward to a good sex scene, so there better be one! :laugh:
Here's what I know so far:
"

Plot Summary for
Wendigo (2001)
George is a high-strung professional photographer who is starting to unravel from the stress of his work with a Manhattan advertising agency. Needing some time away from the city, Jake, his wife Kim, and their son Miles head to upstate New York to take in the winter sights, though the drive up is hardly relaxing for any of them. George accidentally hits and severely injures a deer that ran onto the icy road; after George stops to inspect the damage, he's confronted by an angry local named Otis who flies into a rage, telling George that he and his fellow hunters had been tracking the deer for some time. An argument breaks out, which leaves George feeling deeply shaken. When George and Kim arrive at their cabin, they discover that it's next door to Otis' property, and they soon find that a dark and intimidating presence seems to have taken over the cottage. Since, when they stopped at a store en route to the cabin, a shopkeeper told Miles about the legend of the Wendigo, a beast from Indian folklore who is half-man, half-deer, and can change itself at will, the child begins to wonder if the creature might have something to do with his family's sudden misfortune."
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That's not too bad, but don't read any more! :laugh:

I've been trying to track down the European DVD because it has an alternate ending, but I haven't had any luck. It's driving me bonkers, I tell you! :laugh:

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That's not too bad, but don't read any more! :laugh:

I've been trying to track down the European DVD because it has an alternate ending, but I haven't had any luck. It's driving me bonkers, I tell you! :laugh:
I won't. I went to the Wendigo website, where it has the choice of the movie or the animated series and saw that the movie got a bunch of good reviews. I'm stoked, and there isn't sh** on tonight. :D :thumbsup:

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I won't. I went to the Wendigo website, where it has the choice of the movie or the animated series and saw that the movie got a bunch of good reviews. I'm stoked, and there isn't sh** on tonight. :D :thumbsup:

I went to the video store this morning and rented a bunch of movies for the weekend because it's going to snow. :laugh: I got...

Angel Heart
Cat People (original)
The Lair of the White Worm
Mute Witness
Robocop
The Joy Luck Club

Eclectic, eh? :lol:

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I went to the video store this morning and rented a bunch of movies for the weekend because it's going to snow. :laugh: I got...

Angel Heart
Cat People (original)
The Lair of the White Worm
Mute Witness
Robocop
The Joy Luck Club

Eclectic, eh? :lol:
yeah, kinda. That's a good selection. I haven't really seen Robocop or Joy Luck Club (i may have seen JLC, my friend was trying to make me watch it forever - Is Ming Na Wen in it? ) But I've seen the others. Lair of the White worm cracked me up! Anyways, I was thinking of picking up Angel Heart, too - but I'm not sure i'll have time to watch it, you know the Oscars are on Sunday! :] Oh, wait, I haven't seen mute witness, either. Oh, it's a horror movie! Well, you should have a fun weekend, my friend. :thumbsup: I have this weird urge to watch an anime film, too. But they're hard to pick out if you don't know a bunch about them. Actually, I really, really, really wish there were more Aeon Fluxes. I don't know why, but I really love Aeon Flux. Anyway, gotta go. :wavey:

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yeah, kinda. That's a good selection. I haven't really seen Robocop or Joy Luck Club (i may have seen JLC, my friend was trying to make me watch it forever - Is Ming Na Wen in it? ) But I've seen the others. Lair of the White worm cracked me up! Anyways, I was thinking of picking up Angel Heart, too - but I'm not sure i'll have time to watch it, you know the Oscars are on Sunday! :] Oh, wait, I haven't seen mute witness, either. Oh, it's a horror movie! Well, you should have a fun weekend, my friend. :thumbsup: I have this weird urge to watch an anime film, too. But they're hard to pick out if you don't know a bunch about them. Actually, I really, really, really wish there were more Aeon Fluxes. I don't know why, but I really love Aeon Flux. Anyway, gotta go. :wavey:

Lair of the White Worm is so atrocious and vulgar, I love it. Ken Russell is such a pervert. Amanda Donahoe is priceless is that flick. I haven't seen Robocop in years and I remember it being disgustingly violent. :laugh:

And did you know that they're filming Aeon Flux the movie? With Charlize Theron!

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Guess What, guess what!? I went and got Wendigo and Heavy, but that wasn't the exciting part. I was walking over to "Horror, Monsters" to get Wendigo, and I looked over, and saw a category called "Cult Actresses". So of course i had to go look. Isabelle Adjani was right at the top (i don't think she's cult, but whatever, I have a cult like love for her :p ) And they had all the usuals, but then I spied one I hadn't heard of!!!! :blob1: :]
It's called "Mortelle Randonnee" (Deadly Run) and here's what the back says:
"Catherine (Isabelle Adjani) is a seductive predator - a serial killer who lures wealthy men to their death. Beauvoir (Michel Serrault), a solitary detective know as "The Eye", is in pursuit. Convinced she is his long lost daughter, he shadows her through Europe, concealing incriminating evidence and helping her elude the police. But when Catherine falls in love with a blind artist (Sami Frey), Beauvoir's jealousy leads to a fatal accident, which once again sets her on a murderous path. Based on the best selling novel "The Eye of the Beholder" by Marc Behm, blah blah, nominated for five french Cesar awards."
:blob1: :blob1: Yay! Nothing better than Isabelle when she's crazy, which is always!!!! oh, 1982. Had to share, I'm so excited! :wavey:

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Guess What, guess what!? I went and got Wendigo and Heavy, but that wasn't the exciting part. I was walking over to "Horror, Monsters" to get Wendigo, and I looked over, and saw a category called "Cult Actresses". So of course i had to go look. Isabelle Adjani was right at the top (i don't think she's cult, but whatever, I have a cult like love for her :p ) And they had all the usuals, but then I spied one I hadn't heard of!!!! :blob1: :]
It's called "Mortelle Randonnee" (Deadly Run) and here's what the back says:
"Catherine (Isabelle Adjani) is a seductive predator - a serial killer who lures wealthy men to their death. Beauvoir (Michel Serrault), a solitary detective know as "The Eye", is in pursuit. Convinced she is his long lost daughter, he shadows her through Europe, concealing incriminating evidence and helping her elude the police. But when Catherine falls in love with a blind artist (Sami Frey), Beauvoir's jealousy leads to a fatal accident, which once again sets her on a murderous path. Based on the best selling novel "The Eye of the Beholder" by Marc Behm, blah blah, nominated for five french Cesar awards."
:blob1: :blob1: Yay! Nothing better than Isabelle when she's crazy, which is always!!!! oh, 1982. Had to share, I'm so excited! :wavey:

That movie is FANTASTIC. Ten times better than that ****ty adaptation with Ashley Judd and Ewan MacGregor. *shudders* You'll love it, I swear. :thumbsup:

[estranged4life]

And did you know that they're filming Aeon Flux the movie? With Charlize Theron!

that should be interesting...Love the ol' Aeon Flux anime that used to be on Empty-Vee B.I.T.D.

Should be interesting to see how a live action version plays out.

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That movie is FANTASTIC. Ten times better than that ****ty adaptation with Ashley Judd and Ewan MacGregor. *shudders* You'll love it, I swear. :thumbsup:
Omigod, you knew about it and didn't tell me?! :p it's just to bad I have to trek to the store before I start watching it! I'm so fricking excited. Heck, I was excited about Wendigo, but now I'm just beyond! :]
That's weird they are making a live action Aeon Flux, cause my favorite part is the weird way the cartoon was drawn. Oh Well. Yep, Lair is good. I think that's why i probably haven't really seen Robocop, I don't like so much violence. But most people I know like it.

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Omigod, you knew about it and didn't tell me?! :p it's just to bad I have to trek to the store before I start watching it! I'm so fricking excited. Heck, I was excited about Wendigo, but now I'm just beyond! :]

Please tell me you didn't get Mortelle Randonnee on DVD, though. I shelled out almost $25 for it and it had twenty minutes hacked out of it for no reason whatsoever. :confused: I brought it back and ended up just getting a used copy on video awhile later at a video store that was going out of business.

If you like it, you should rent the Ashley Judd version just for ****s and giggles. It's bloody torturous to sit through. :laugh:

That's weird they are making a live action Aeon Flux, cause my favorite part is the weird way the cartoon was drawn. Oh Well. Yep, Lair is good. I think that's why i probably haven't really seen Robocop, I don't like so much violence. But most people I know like it.

I just want to see Theron in those outfits. :lol:

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Please tell me you didn't get Mortelle Randonnee on DVD, though. I shelled out almost $25 for it and it had twenty minutes hacked out of it for no reason whatsoever. :confused: I brought it back and ended up just getting a used copy awhile later at a video store that was going out of business.

If you like it, you should rent the Ashley Judd version just for ****s and giggles. It's bloody torturous to sit through. :laugh:



I just want to see Theron in those outfits. :lol:
Me, too, about the outfits. Me and my friend a long time ago wanted to be Aeon for Halloween, but never got around to it. Now, of course, I couldn't show all that stuff... :( *coughfatasscough* :laugh:
I got the video version of the movie. :thumbsup: And I don't want to rent an Ashley Judd movie! :D

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Me, too, about the outfits. Me and my friend a long time ago wanted to be Aeon for Halloween, but never got around to it. Now, of course, I couldn't show all that stuff... :( *coughfatasscough* :laugh:
I got the video version of the movie. :thumbsup: And I don't want to rent an Ashley Judd movie! :D

See, I like Ashley Judd (mainly because I think she's gorgeous), but she makes the WORST movies. Truly terrible. She must not be able to read or else she'd pick better scripts. :laugh:

I saw some flick with Neve Campbell the other night called "When Will I Be Loved" and you'd probably like it. I was never impressed by her before, but she was fantastic in it. And James Toback makes fab movies, anyway.

I can't wait to sit and watch all my eighties cheese movies this weekend and then we can dissect Wendigo. :lol:

[DrummerDeanna]

Wow - diss - I can never rent that many movies at one time - I'll watch like one or two then the rest sit around and collect late fees :rolleyes:

For my lame ass weekend - I gave the dog a bath and then rented....disc three of the L Word Season 1 lol....I've been on a chick kick lately....damn gay Ledgie propaganda ;)

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See, I like Ashley Judd (mainly because I think she's gorgeous), but she makes the WORST movies. Truly terrible. She must not be able to read or else she'd pick better scripts. :laugh:

I saw some flick with Neve Campbell the other night called "When Will I Be Loved" and you'd probably like it. I was never impressed by her before, but she was fantastic in it. And James Toback makes fab movies, anyway.

I can't wait to sit and watch all my eighties cheese movies this weekend and then we can dissect Wendigo. :lol:
Sounds great!!! I think Ashley Judd and Neve Campbell are gorgeous, but not very good actresses. I think Ashley is better than Neve. But Ashley does pick bad movies. :distress: That would be nice to see Neve doing a good performance, perhaps I'll check that one out! Thanks for the tip. :) Okay, gotta go to the store. I'm kinda freaked out cause there's a serial rapist "on the loose" (as they say) in the East Bay. :shocked: I'm rollerblading back, though, and it's all right next to the street the whole way, so I should be alright. don't know why I told you that, but oh well. :rolleyes: :laugh:

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Wow - diss - I can never rent that many movies at one time - I'll watch like one or two then the rest sit around and collect late fees :rolleyes:

I use the excuse that it's snowing outside and I can't do anything else. :laugh: That's my favorite thing, balling up on the couch and watching cheesy movies while it snows outside. Love it.

For my lame ass weekend - I gave the dog a bath and then rented....disc three of the L Word Season 1 lol....I've been on a chick kick lately....damn gay Ledgie propaganda ;)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...Jennifer Beals. :D

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Sounds great!!! I think Ashley Judd and Neve Campbell are gorgeous, but not very good actresses. I think Ashley is better than Neve. But Ashley does pick bad movies. :distress: That would be nice to see Neve doing a good performance, perhaps I'll check that one out! Thanks for the tip. :) Okay, gotta go to the store. I'm kinda freaked out cause there's a serial rapist "on the loose" (as they say) in the East Bay. :shocked: I'm rollerblading back, though, and it's all right next to the street the whole way, so I should be alright. don't know why I told you that, but oh well. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Oh honey, we have rapists and crack dealers all over the place. Welcome to my world. :laugh:

Stay safe and go for the balls if you're approached.

[DrummerDeanna]

I use the excuse that it's snowing outside and I can't do anything else. :laugh: That's my favorite thing, balling up on the couch and watching cheesy movies while it snows outside. Love it.


I usually just nap in those situations lol....I don't have attention span for all day movies...unless there's a lot of junk food involved...then I'm fine :laugh:




Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...Jennifer Beals. :D

:nod: I never knew she was so hot....but I like her gf on the show - Laurel Holloman :D

...the only thing that BUGS me is that chick from the evil annoying yogurt commercials in on that show - I hate those commercials and have a hard time watching her at all....

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I usually just nap in those situations lol....I don't have attention span for all day movies...unless there's a lot of junk food involved...then I'm fine :laugh:

My weakness is Snyder's honey mustard pretzel pieces. I hate mustard with a passion, but those? Are divine. :cool:

:nod: I never knew she was so hot....but I like her gf on the show - Laurel Holloman :D

...the only thing that BUGS me is that chick from the evil annoying yogurt commercials in on that show - I hate those commercials and have a hard time watching her at all....

I've only seen a couple of episodes, but Jennifer Beals IS hot. She seems to have gotten hotter over the years, sort of like Virginia Madsen. *fans self*

[DrummerDeanna]

I've only seen a couple of episodes, but Jennifer Beals IS hot. She seems to have gotten hotter over the years, sort of like Virginia Madsen. *fans self*

Oh - I couldn't get over how beautiful Virginia Madsen was in Sideways - she was breathtaking :nod:

Also Laurel Holloman never used to do anything for me - but yeah - now that's she older....yow....she's hot :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Oh - I couldn't get over how beautiful Virginia Madsen was in Sideways - she was breathtaking :nod:

Also Laurel Holloman never used to do anything for me - but yeah - now that's she older....yow....she's hot :nod:

I got up and left during the middle of Sideways. I thought it was awful. But, Some people liked it :shrug:

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Oh - I couldn't get over how beautiful Virginia Madsen was in Sideways - she was breathtaking :nod:

I know!!!!!!!!!!!!! :] She is just stunning. Everything about her. And I'm so happy for her, she's one actress that deserves the recognition and praise she's finally getting now. It's great to see such a comeback.

Also Laurel Holloman never used to do anything for me - but yeah - now that's she older....yow....she's hot :nod:

:nod: I thought she was gorgeous in The Myth of Fingerprints, though, and that was almost ten years ago.

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I got up and left during the middle of Sideways. I thought it was awful. But, Some people liked it :shrug:

Sideways rocks, man. :thumbsup: I love Paul Giamatti and I love Virginia Madsen, so I almost had an orgasm when I saw the trailer for the first time. Love Sandra Oh, too, she's a riot.

I don't think Alexander Payne has made a bad movie. Election, Sideways, About Schmidt; every one was hysterical to me.

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Sideways rocks, man. :thumbsup: I love Paul Giamatti and I love Virginia Madsen, so I almost had an orgasm when I saw the trailer for the first time. Love Sandra Oh, too, she's a riot.

I don't think Alexander Payne has made a bad movie. Election, Sideways, About Schmidt; every one was hysterical to me.

I thought Sandra Oh was good in it. I just could not get into and did not buy into that whole teo guys on the road thing. Plus, I thought it looked like some idiot got a hold of a handycam and said, hey let's shoot a movie :eek: Interestingly, I LOVED Election :she has the wettest (*&&^ I have ever seen" and, my fav., "PICK FLICK" :wavey:

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I usually just nap in those situations lol....I don't have attention span for all day movies...unless there's a lot of junk food involved...then I'm fine :laugh:





:nod: I never knew she was so hot....but I like her gf on the show - Laurel Holloman :D

...the only thing that BUGS me is that chick from the evil annoying yogurt commercials in on that show - I hate those commercials and have a hard time watching her at all....
I was wondering if anyone was watching that show! The first season is out on DVD? yay, now I can watch it. And yes, Jennifer Beals is super hot. She is aging beautifully. :)

[DrummerDeanna]

I know!!!!!!!!!!!!! :] She is just stunning. Everything about her. And I'm so happy for her, she's one actress that deserves the recognition and praise she's finally getting now. It's great to see such a comeback.



:nod: I thought she was gorgeous in The Myth of Fingerprints, though, and that was almost ten years ago.


Myth of the Fingerprints...never heard of that one - I actually only knew of Laurel Holloman because of The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love - one of my favorite movies in high school....lol - I once had a movie night for a bunch of band kids and made everyone watch that - luckily everyone liked it - or maybe they were being polite :D

Anyway - she was a bit too butch for me in that movie - so I like the softer her in L Word :D


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And Strand!?! I can't believe you didn't like Sideways - you're like Elaine and the English Patient lol...I thought Sideways was great - I was thrilled that I left feeling as though I got my money's worth :D

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I thought Sandra Oh was good in it. I just could not get into and did not buy into that whole teo guys on the road thing. Plus, I thought it looked like some idiot got a hold of a handycam and said, hey let's shoot a movie :eek: Interestingly, I LOVED Election :she has the wettest (*&&^ I have ever seen" and, my fav., "PICK FLICK" :wavey:

Really? I thought Sideways was awesome, made me feel warm and fuzzy. Virginia Madsen just made you melt and Paul Giamatti is so likable it should be a crime. And Thomas Hayden Church is just hilarious. I've loved him since Wings. :woohoo:

Did you ever see Citizen Ruth? I still think that's one of Payne's best movies and it's one of the funniest I've ever seen.

"I'm gonna stay here and I'm gonna have that abortion like I wanted. 'Cause I'm a citizen and... and I got my rights to, um, PICK!"

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I was wondering if anyone was watching that show! The first season is out on DVD? yay, now I can watch it. And yes, Jennifer Beals is super hot. She is aging beautifully. :)

Yeah! It's out on DVD - and I recently met a gay chick (finally) here in Rochester who's into this show too :blob1: so I have someone to talk about it with here lol....

anyway - Jennifer is SUPER hot in this show - although after a while this one facial expression of hers gets annoying...:D

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Yeah! It's out on DVD - and I recently met a gay chick (finally) here in Rochester who's into this show too :blob1: so I have someone to talk about it with here lol....

anyway - Jennifer is SUPER hot in this show - although after a while this one facial expression of hers gets annoying...:D
I think I know the one you are talking about, actually...By the way, cute pic with the dog in the other thread. :laugh:

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Really? I thought Sideways was awesome, made me feel warm and fuzzy. Virginia Madsen just made you melt and Paul Giamatti is so likable it should be a crime. And Thomas Hayden Church is just hilarious. I've loved him since Wings. :woohoo:

Did you ever see Citizen Ruth? I still think that's one of Payne's best movies and it's one of the funniest I've ever seen.

"I'm gonna stay here and I'm gonna have that abortion like I wanted. 'Cause I'm a citizen and... and I got my rights to, um, PICK!"


WOW! I never realized Alexander Payne directed all those movies - yay! I officially love every one of them....Citizen Ruth? Awesome movie:nod:

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Yeah! It's out on DVD - and I recently met a gay chick (finally) here in Rochester who's into this show too :blob1: so I have someone to talk about it with here lol....

anyway - Jennifer is SUPER hot in this show - although after a while this one facial expression of hers gets annoying...:D

You know who else I think is also totally hot on that show? Pam Grier. She can be 89 years old and she'll still be gorgeous to me. :nod:

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You know who else I think is also totally hot on that show? Pam Grier. She can be 89 years old and she'll still be gorgeous to me. :nod:
Pam Grier - Eternally Hot. I like her too, and, she has stevie's birthday!

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Pam Grier - Eternally Hot. I like her too, and, she has stevie's birthday!

I remember when I saw her in Jackie Brown (one of my favorites) and that opening credits scene just melted me. The one where she's in the airport on the conveyer belt and then runs to catch her flight in that blue uniform? Thought she was just incredibly sexy. :woohoo:

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You know who else I think is also totally hot on that show? Pam Grier. She can be 89 years old and she'll still be gorgeous to me. :nod:

:nod: At first I didn't like her that much - but her character totally grew on me and I do dig her...

I think all the women on there are gorgeous - too bad they are the most UNREALISTIC lesbians ever....lol..I wanna know where the large women with mullets and flannel shirts are :rolleyes: I know it may sound like I'm stereotyping - but seriously...seriously...when I went to the gay bookstore to rent L Word- there was such a woman there lol....

I want to know where all the hot L Word type lesbians hang out....dammit! - I'm thinking nowhere because they're few and far between....or I'm totally looking in the wrong places :p

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I remember when I saw her in Jackie Brown (one of my favorites) and that opening credits scene just melted me. The one where she's in the airport on the conveyer belt and then runs to catch her flight in that blue uniform? Thought she was just incredibly sexy. :woohoo:
I concur wholeheartedly. Also in the clothes she put on in the end in the dressing room... :shocked:

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:nod: At first I didn't like her that much - but her character totally grew on me and I do dig her...

I think all the women on there are gorgeous - too bad they are the most UNREALISTIC lesbians ever....lol..I wanna know where the large women with mullets and flannel shirts are :rolleyes: I know it may sound like I'm stereotyping - but seriously...seriously...when I went to the gay bookstore to rent L Word- there was such a woman there lol....

I want to know where all the hot L Word type lesbians hang out....dammit! - I'm thinking nowhere because they're few and far between....or I'm totally looking in the wrong places :p
Honestly, I don't see that many like that either. Probably about 70/30. :confused:

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Honestly, I don't see that many like that either. Probably about 70/30. :confused:

And I'm not like after a Glamour model here - I mean I'd just like to meet a normal woman ya know? - well maybe just someone a little in the middle like me - not too girly but not butch by any means...:shrug: There's gotta be a happy gay medium somewhere....I am just not attracted to women who look like men....:shrug:

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I concur wholeheartedly. Also in the clothes she put on in the end in the dressing room... :shocked:

That pantsuit? Oh yeah. And when she was wearing the pantsuit and holding that gun in the chair at the end? So sexy. :laugh:

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And I'm not like after a Glamour model here - I mean I'd just like to meet a normal woman ya know? - well maybe just someone a little in the middle like me - not too girly but not butch by any means...:shrug: There's gotta be a happy gay medium somewhere....I am just not attracted to women who look like men....:shrug:
Sorry, D, I'm just not available right now! :( :lol: :lol: JK - I know what you mean. Although, I, personally, like really, really pretty girls. :laugh: :p I see a lot of in betweeners at the bar, actually. So, I guess you should come here. :p I'm sure you'll meet someone like that eventually. :shrug:

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Sorry, D, I'm just not available right now! :( :lol: :lol: JK - I know what you mean. Although, I, personally, like really, really pretty girls. :laugh: :p I see a lot of in betweeners at the bar, actually. So, I guess you should come here. :p I'm sure you'll meet someone like that eventually. :shrug:

Can I just say how much I love gay bars? :laugh: They're a HOOT. I go crazy for the jukeboxes!!!!!!!

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Sorry, D, I'm just not available right now! :( :lol: :lol: JK - I know what you mean. Although, I, personally, like really, really pretty girls. :laugh: :p I see a lot of in betweeners at the bar, actually. So, I guess you should come here. :p I'm sure you'll meet someone like that eventually. :shrug:

Well **** Amber - can't say I didn't try :laugh: It's okay though- I'd probably have to fight Hillary for ya anyway - and I'm no match for a Lousiana girl!

I'm sure I'll meet who I'm supposed to meet someday - I'm not actually too worried about it - I figure what's meant to be will be :D

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Well **** Amber - can't say I didn't try :laugh: It's okay though- I'd probably have to fight Hillary for ya anyway - and I'm no match for a Lousiana girl!

I'm sure I'll meet who I'm supposed to meet someday - I'm not actually too worried about it - I figure what's meant to be will be :D
Yes, i'm sure it will all work out. And the other thing? I'm not her type. :laugh: You guys can fight if you want, though. Nothing wrong with a little boxing... :laugh:

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Well **** Amber - can't say I didn't try :laugh: It's okay though- I'd probably have to fight Hillary for ya anyway - and I'm no match for a Lousiana girl!

Just tell her the polecat is getting away with her moonpie and she'll back off. :laugh:

I'm sure I'll meet who I'm supposed to meet someday - I'm not actually too worried about it - I figure what's meant to be will be :D

That's a good way of looking at things. :nod: I have the same way of looking at things with this dude I'm seeing now. If I'm meant to date him for a month, so be it. If Heidi Klum wants to steal me away, so be it. What happens happens and I'm much concerned about it. :laugh: Life is too short.

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Just tell her the polecat is getting away with her moonpie and she'll back off. :laugh:
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That's a good way of looking at things. :nod: I have the same way of looking at things with this dude I'm seeing now. If I'm meant to date him for a month, so be it. If Heidi Klum wants to steal me away, so be it. What happens happens and I'm much concerned about it. :laugh: Life is too short.
Really? My life is too long, without enough sex in it, currently... :lol: Okay, so, really, it's only been about a week, but still. Overall, only once or twice a month is my average lately. :distress: But I digress. Wait, did I just say that? Oh, well... :lol:

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Really? My life is too long, without enough sex in it, currently... :lol: Okay, so, really, it's only been about a week, but still. Overall, only once or twice a month is my average lately. :distress: But I digress. Wait, did I just say that? Oh, well... :lol:

A week? Me, too! Because I was sick. Actually, it's been a week and half. :o You'd think my buddy would have taken pity on my plight by now. :laugh:

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A week? Me, too! Because I was sick. Actually, it's been a week and half. :o You'd think my buddy would have taken pity on my plight by now. :laugh:
I figured you hadn't gotten any while you were sick!
Well, you wouldn't want to give it to him, cause then he'd give it back to you, and not in a good way. :lol:
Yeah, a week. He's not my boyfriend, though, and I want a real boyfriend so I can have sex all the time. :mad:
Last time he came over, though, I told him to be quiet like, 3 times. :lol: He was here for six hours though, talking the whole time, and he arrived just after I got home from work so I didn't get any alone time. Late in the evening, I wanted some fresh air, so we walked up the road to get some beer. I just wanted to enjoy the silence, the beautiful sky, and the fresh air, but no! He kept talking! And he wasn't even saying anything! so I asked if we could just not talk for five seconds! :lol: He said he almost left after one of the times I did it. :rolleyes: We've been friends for years, though, so he knows how I am. :D He used to try to talk me into having sex, and i'd be like "Dude, if you could just shut the f*** up for one second and start doing something, maybe it would work out!!!" :laugh: yeah, I'm a bitch... :D

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I figured you hadn't gotten any while you were sick!
Well, you wouldn't want to give it to him, cause then he'd give it back to you, and not in a good way. :lol:

Lackanookie is probably what made me sicker.

Yeah, a week. He's not my boyfriend, though, and I want a real boyfriend so I can have sex all the time.

I'm still on the fence about this dude. I don't want a relationship, but I like him, so... And he didn't bring me soup while I was sick, so I know he's not a dopey f*cker. :thumbsup:

Last time he came over, though, I told him to be quiet like, 3 times. :lol: He was here for six hours though, talking the whole time, and he arrived just after I got home from work so I didn't get any alone time. Late in the evening, I wanted some fresh air, so we walked up the road to get some beer. I just wanted to enjoy the silence, the beautiful sky, and the fresh air, but no! He kept talking! And he wasn't even saying anything! so I asked if we could just not talk for five seconds! :lol: He said he almost left after one of the times I did it. :rolleyes: We've been friends for years, though, so he knows how I am. :D He used to try to talk me into having sex, and i'd be like "Dude, if you could just shut the f*** up for one second and start doing something, maybe it would work out!!!" :laugh: yeah, I'm a bitch... :D

I like talkers because I am one. Not as bad as this dude, though, christ. Does he talk during sex, too? :laugh:

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Lackanookie is probably what made me sicker.



I'm still on the fence about this dude. I don't want a relationship, but I like him, so... And he didn't bring me soup while I was sick, so I know he's not a dopey f*cker. :thumbsup:



I like talkers because I am one. Not as bad as this dude, though, christ. Does he talk during sex, too? :laugh:
Not really during sex. Just a tiny bit, and things you want to hear. :woohoo: I like talkers, too, and I love him, but enough is enough! Oh, and the not bringing soup thing? I'm glad you liked it, but I would have been livid. I want someone to take care of me when i'm sick, at least a little. But then, i'm a huge baby when i get sick cause it rarely happens. As i've said before, I tend to weep... :lol: Lackanookie? i would be sick often if that was the case! :p