House panel approves measure to make abortion a felony

[gldstwmn]

PIERRE, S.D. - Abortion should be a crime in South Dakota if states are given the right to outlaw the medical procedure, a House panel recommended Friday.

The State Affairs Committee unanimously approved HB1249, which would make it a felony to do abortions if Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, is overturned. The bill would allow exceptions in cases where a pregnant woman's life is at risk.

Those who do abortions could face up to two years in prison and a $2,000 fine.

The committee changed the bill to remove a provision that would have made it a crime to advise women to seek abortions.

Rep. Joel Dykstra, R-Canton, the bill's prime sponsor, said it is designed to protect the rights of fetuses in case states are given the right to regulate abortion.

Rachel Hansen of the South Dakota Right to Life Committee, which helped draft the bill, said abortion rights supporters are gearing up for a fight in case the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.

"In South Dakota, House Bill 1249 would throw a monkey wrench right in the middle of that strategy," Hansen said.

Rob Regier of the South Dakota Family Policy Council urged the committee to pass the bill.

"Send a message that South Dakota is more than just prepared to protect the unborn, but eager to," Regier said.

Kate Looby of Planned Parenthood said the bill is one of the most extreme measures she has seen. The measure would tie physicians' hands and ignore women's ability to make decisions for themselves, she said.

"Making abortion illegal never has and never will stop women from having abortions," Looby said, urging the committee to reject the bill.

Jennifer Ring of the American Civil Liberties Union said the bill makes no provisions for abortions in cases where a woman's health is at risk or a fetus develops a potentially fatal condition. In such cases, women would be forced to allow the pregnancy to develop until it threatens their lives, Ring said.

HB1249 goes now to the House floor.

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10877880.htm

[Brwn_eyes0511]

PIERRE, S.D. - Abortion should be a crime in South Dakota if states are given the right to outlaw the medical procedure, a House panel recommended Friday.

The State Affairs Committee unanimously approved HB1249, which would make it a felony to do abortions if Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, is overturned. The bill would allow exceptions in cases where a pregnant woman's life is at risk.

Those who do abortions could face up to two years in prison and a $2,000 fine.

The committee changed the bill to remove a provision that would have made it a crime to advise women to seek abortions.

Rep. Joel Dykstra, R-Canton, the bill's prime sponsor, said it is designed to protect the rights of fetuses in case states are given the right to regulate abortion.

Rachel Hansen of the South Dakota Right to Life Committee, which helped draft the bill, said abortion rights supporters are gearing up for a fight in case the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.

"In South Dakota, House Bill 1249 would throw a monkey wrench right in the middle of that strategy," Hansen said.

Rob Regier of the South Dakota Family Policy Council urged the committee to pass the bill.

"Send a message that South Dakota is more than just prepared to protect the unborn, but eager to," Regier said.

Kate Looby of Planned Parenthood said the bill is one of the most extreme measures she has seen. The measure would tie physicians' hands and ignore women's ability to make decisions for themselves, she said.

"Making abortion illegal never has and never will stop women from having abortions," Looby said, urging the committee to reject the bill.

Jennifer Ring of the American Civil Liberties Union said the bill makes no provisions for abortions in cases where a woman's health is at risk or a fetus develops a potentially fatal condition. In such cases, women would be forced to allow the pregnancy to develop until it threatens their lives, Ring said.

HB1249 goes now to the House floor.

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10877880.htm

Abortion should be a sate decision, what a crock! I have never heard of that one before. :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

Abortion should be a sate decision, what a crock! I have never heard of that one before. :rolleyes:

No, it's a woman's choice what to do with her own body, not the state.

[strandinthewind]

Is it predicted to pass?

I think we are going to see alot of this. It is all irrelevant if Roe holds. AND - interestingly, I am unsure of the ramifications of passing a law that is illegal? I think a Federal Court could enjoin that - but I do not really know.

[strandinthewind]

A google search of "state legislature abortion bill" reveals a myriad of articles on this issue in other states.

[strandinthewind]

Oh surely there's no problem with the state inviting itself into a woman's uterus? Perhaps they can enjoy a little tea party whilst they're in there.


Esp. when many of them would not hesitate to get one for their mistress or daughter :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

A google search of "state legislature abortion bill" reveals a myriad of articles on this issue in other states.

It's the newest fad. Besides fake news, now we've got preemptive war and preemptive laws. What next?

[strandinthewind]

It's the newest fad. Besides fake news, now we've got preemptive war and preemptive laws. What next?


apparently a way to drive us three trillion in debt to buy a "solution" that addresses no way to fix SS :rolleyes:

[77Rumours77]

apparently a way to drive us three trillion in debt to buy a "solution" that addresses no way to fix SS :rolleyes:

O Man! I just love the Bush administration! :mad: :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, it's a woman's choice what to do with her own body, not the state.

Even though its not herself she is killing when she has the abortion? A" pregnant woman is responsible for more than just herself. It's not "ME ME ME" moment.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

O Man! I just love the Bush administration! :mad: :rolleyes:

Cause you know its the Bush administrations fault! Everything is. :rolleyes:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

PIERRE, S.D. - Abortion should be a crime in South Dakota if states are given the right to outlaw the medical procedure, a House panel recommended Friday.

The State Affairs Committee unanimously approved HB1249, which would make it a felony to do abortions if Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, is overturned. The bill would allow exceptions in cases where a pregnant woman's life is at risk.

Those who do abortions could face up to two years in prison and a $2,000 fine.

The committee changed the bill to remove a provision that would have made it a crime to advise women to seek abortions.

Rep. Joel Dykstra, R-Canton, the bill's prime sponsor, said it is designed to protect the rights of fetuses in case states are given the right to regulate abortion.

Rachel Hansen of the South Dakota Right to Life Committee, which helped draft the bill, said abortion rights supporters are gearing up for a fight in case the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.

"In South Dakota, House Bill 1249 would throw a monkey wrench right in the middle of that strategy," Hansen said.

Rob Regier of the South Dakota Family Policy Council urged the committee to pass the bill.

"Send a message that South Dakota is more than just prepared to protect the unborn, but eager to," Regier said.

Kate Looby of Planned Parenthood said the bill is one of the most extreme measures she has seen. The measure would tie physicians' hands and ignore women's ability to make decisions for themselves, she said.

"Making abortion illegal never has and never will stop women from having abortions," Looby said, urging the committee to reject the bill.

Jennifer Ring of the American Civil Liberties Union said the bill makes no provisions for abortions in cases where a woman's health is at risk or a fetus develops a potentially fatal condition. In such cases, women would be forced to allow the pregnancy to develop until it threatens their lives, Ring said.

HB1249 goes now to the House floor.

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10877880.htm
It's when I read tripe like this that I thank god I'm British.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Even though its not herself she is killing when she has the abortion? A" pregnant woman is responsible for more than just herself. It's not "ME ME ME" moment.
Sometimes it has to be a 'me me me' moment.

Jennifer Ring of the American Civil Liberties Union said the bill makes no provisions for abortions in cases where a woman's health is at risk or a fetus develops a potentially fatal condition. In such cases, women would be forced to allow the pregnancy to develop until it threatens their lives, Ring said.

Ah.. why bother...

[tynan88]

No no no Pip, you're bringing logic into the equation.


Now Now Lux please no rational thinking on an issue, u might hurt someone. I agree with a woman's right to choose, I don't think I would be able to handle i personally, but i am no in that position, everyone should have a right to choose.

[strandinthewind]

O Man! I just love the Bush administration! :mad: :rolleyes:

But, for a few bills, Pat Robertson will assure you JESUS is on W's side so its okay :rolleyes:

[DrummerDeanna]

Ugh - this should not have been the first thing I read upon sitting at my computer at work :mad: This is just a small taste of what's to come I'm afraid....:distress:

[gldstwmn]

apparently a way to drive us three trillion in debt to buy a "solution" that addresses no way to fix SS :rolleyes:

Heh. Good one. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

It's when I read tripe like this that I thank god I'm British.

I thinking of asking my Irish relatives to adopt me. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Ugh - this should not have been the first thing I read upon sitting at my computer at work :mad: This is just a small taste of what's to come I'm afraid....:distress:

I agree. Wake up America!

[DrummerDeanna]

I agree. Wake up America!

:nod: I think it may get darker before it gets lighter however...it seems as though this country in on a back-slide at the moment - *sigh* I better start shopping around for butter churns :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

:nod: I think it may get darker before it gets lighter however...it seems as though this country in on a back-slide at the moment - *sigh* I better start shopping around for butter churns :rolleyes:

:laugh: I'm so sick of it. People seem to be slowly waking up according to Bush's approval ratings which are in steady decline. I wish Canada were not so effing cold!

[DrummerDeanna]

:laugh: I'm so sick of it. People seem to be slowly waking up according to Bush's approval ratings which are in steady decline. I wish Canada were not so effing cold!

:nod: People are starting to wake up...but it may come too late ya know? I still keep thinking about that conversations with Jesus that you posted - there was so much truth in there...things are so far off kilter now and Christians are some of the most anti-Christian people out there...

[SuzeQuze]

:nod: People are starting to wake up...but it may come too late ya know? I still keep thinking about that conversations with Jesus that you posted - there was so much truth in there...things are so far off kilter now and Christians are some of the most anti-Christian people out there...

No, not too late! Do not give up! There is still reason to be optimistic even though we keep taking hits. Please stay in the fight, we need you.

[DrummerDeanna]

No, not too late! Do not give up! There is still reason to be optimistic even though we keep taking hits. Please stay in the fight, we need you.

lol...I know - I try.

The most frustrating part is though that I can't do activism or get involved with anything political or I lose my job :(

But I love my job and I do feel like I"m doing good here because at least I know myself and my virtues and we strive like hell to do a great job of delivering the whole news thouroughly accuratley and fairly :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: I'm so sick of it. People seem to be slowly waking up according to Bush's approval ratings which are in steady decline. I wish Canada were not so effing cold!

Don't let that stop you. Go, move, please! :laugh:

If folks have such a problem with America then why the heck do they stay here? This ain't Cuba, you are free to leave, so why not do it? :wavey:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Don't let that stop you. Go, move, please! :laugh:

If folks have such a problem with America then why the heck do they stay here? This ain't Cuba, you are free to leave, so why not do it? :wavey:


Canada can't hold 49% of the American population and Mexico has bad water. I don't need parasites. Bush is plenty parasite for me.

[DrummerDeanna]

Canada can't hold 49% of the American population and Mexico has bad water. I don't need parasites. Bush is plenty parasite for me.

:laugh: :laugh: Mexico has more than bad water let me tell ya :nod:

edit: and I mean more bad things lol....

And yeah - we're free to leave - but leaving is not free - it costs a lot of money and there is a lot more involved...we can't just up and leave no problem....though man that would be nice....

We don't leave because rather than running away from the problems facing the country we'd rather fight to save the country and make it a better America - an America for Americans...not just for rich Christian White folk.

[estranged4life]

opinion on abortion is that is should be the woman's decision to decide, Not some male in a business suit in either Washington or Pierre S.D.

[strandinthewind]

Canada can't hold 49% of the American population and Mexico has bad water. I don't need parasites. Bush is plenty parasite for me.

not to mention moving to Canada is giving up. I mean the religious far right nutjobs do not own America; How dare they assume that :mad: Moreover, they cannot control everyone no matter how much they want to. And - they apparently choose to stay and fight to change what they loathe about America so I'll be damned if I am going to leave without fighting to quell their self-righteous crap they try to ram down the throats of the rest of America :mad:

[DrummerDeanna]

not to mention moving to Canada is giving up. I mean the religious far right nutjobs do not own America; How dare they assume that :mad: Moreover, they cannot control everyone no matter how much they want to. And - they apparently choose to stay and fight to change what they loathe about America so I'll be damned if I am going to leave without fighting to quell their self-righteous crap they try to ram down the throats of the rest of America :mad:

:blob1: that's more or less what I was trying to say :nod: :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

:blob1: that's more or less what I was trying to say :nod: :thumbsup:

It just galls me because I pay my taxes just like everyone else. So, why should I be suject to their religious domination via the govt. :mad: The First Amendment is supposed to prohibit that.

Again, why is it so imnportant to have the govt. establish Christianity. Why do the people who advocate this need that to validate their religion? Isn't private worship enough? Apparently not :rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

apparently a way to drive us three trillion in debt to buy a "solution" that addresses no way to fix SS :rolleyes:

Bush & SS, Did I miss something as I slept? I mean when I think of Bush and saw the letters "SS" I thought surely we havent decided to go "goosestepping" across another country already :shrug:

Brian "Jawohl Bush..." j.

[Jessica Leigh]

this is all so frightening. i am literally sick to my stomach thinking that roe v. wade could possibly be overturned...

consider how much younger people are becoming sexually active than they were in 1974 (when abortion was legalized) ... if this happens we will have so so many children having children... and so so many women having unsafe, illegal abortions. people who are not ready or can't afford to have children will be living on welfare or not finishing school while they try to take care of an accidental child.

for those of you who are against abortion, fine, great, i respect your views and i will never make you have one. but don't you ever f*cking tell me that i can't choose to have one if i need to. to each his own. go to hell.

[Sugar]

consider how much younger people are becoming sexually active than they were in 1974 (when abortion was legalized) ... if this happens we will have so so many children having children... and so so many women having unsafe, illegal abortions. people who are not ready or can't afford to have children will be living on welfare or not finishing school while they try to take care of an accidental child.



Imagine the financial consequences just in terms of lost work. All that unpaid time off work (some places pay, but not all). What if the woman's single and has no other means of support other than herself? :shrug:

[Jessica Leigh]

Imagine the financial consequences just in terms of lost work. All that unpaid time off work (some places pay, but not all). What if the woman's single and has no other means of support other than herself? :shrug:

that is a very good point... and most women or teenagers who accidently get pregnant and are most in need of an abortion don't have those fabulous jobs that offer benefits and maternity leave. I used to work with a girl who was 27 at the time she accidently got pregnant, her boyfriend LEFT HER, and when she left to have her baby she didn't have any income as our job didn't offer maternity leave or any sort of pay... and merely considered her an ex- employee.

also... we are seeing more and more lately that many companies are changing their policies as to who is eligible for health benefits... "full time" status is changing as are the amount of hours worked to qualify for benefits... many companies will send employees home in the middle of a shift to prevent them from crossing over into the "eligible" territory. the last thing these poverty level women need is a child they can't support or take to a doctor... they can't even take care of the hospital bills when the child is born! and whose pockets will their welfare checks or food stamps come out of? yep... ours.

f*ck this.... let people have abortions... otherwise we'll have a lot more issues and costs to deal with. i shudder at the thought of a scared 15 yr old girl using the old wire hanger method.

[amber]

Not to mention, people who bitch about abortion now, will be bitching even harder than they already do about bazillions of more people being on Welfare, which is exactly what will happen if access to abortions is limited.

[irishgrl]

opinion on abortion is that is should be the woman's decision to decide, Not some male in a business suit in either Washington or Pierre S.D.
you get a virtual *hug* for that!
Brown eyes, you get the pointy part of my shoe up the crease of yer butt.
assume the position. no vaseline. :eek:

[GardenStateGirlie]

This is when I tend to get far more liberal in my views. I don't believe government has the right to invade my life or anyone elses by telling them what is wrong and what is right in regards to their uterus (or any private issue for that matter).

I knew quite a number of people that used it as a form of birth control while we were in high school and while I think THAT is wrong and disgusting, to each his own. These were girls from wealthy families who didn't want to shatter daddy's image of the pure virginal girl they were supposed to be. Whatever to that. I'm not the one who has to live with the fact that I couldn't keep my panties on, take a pill or tell my skeezy partner to wrap it up.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject matter and while I can't picture myself actually having one, there are times when it is necessary and if faced with a situation where one might be necessary, I would want the option. I don't like the idea of someone repeatedly using it but you can't tell one person they can have one and then another person, they can't...you can't draw a line or make case by case exceptions. However, doing away with it completely is only going to cause more problems.

There are a lot of Republican women in offices who are against making abortion a felony. I hope EVERYONE speaks up on this.

[Sugar]

Not to mention, people who bitch about abortion now, will be bitching even harder than they already do about bazillions of more people being on Welfare, which is exactly what will happen if access to abortions is limited.

Not only that, but I would think that they would have to repeal that bit of welfare reform that says you don't get anymore aid if you have more children. In a pro-life society, how could they force these women to have children and not pay for them...

[irishgrl]

Not only that, but I would think that they would have to repeal that bit of welfare reform that says you don't get anymore aid if you have more children. In a pro-life society, how could they force these women to have children and not pay for them...

some of you know I work in social services and I know something about those rules...and I agree that a society that forbids birth control or abortion (not abortion AS birth control-please note) SHOULD have infrastructure in place to care for these THOUSANDS of extra babies. But, I fear, the sad reality is that the pro-lifers dont care (or maybe arent thinking?) about the quality of life for these kids once they are here. It wont matter that mostly the POOR are having more babies, and the standard of living for each succeeding child is progressively WORSE....or that our hospitals and nursing staff will be even MORE overloaded, and our cities even MORE crowded....There needs to be more foresight all around, because looking at only one aspect of an issue without considering the rest will bring the whole house of cards tumbling down.

[wondergirl9847]

If I could move to London, I would....when I win that Texas Lotto Jackpot baby...LOOK OUT!! Hee!

[GateandGarden]

for those of you who are against abortion, fine, great, i respect your views and i will never make you have one. but don't you ever f*cking tell me that i can't choose to have one if i need to. to each his own. go to hell.I totally understand your conviction there. I think it's totally justified. I'm still trying to figure out why it is that when I express the same sentiments about wanting to marry a woman (I would say that obviously no one has to do that but don't tell me not to, what business is it of anyone else's?) some people say I'm being intolerant. I don't understand the logic. People are being intolerant of me, which I think is similar to what you're saying there.

This is when I tend to get far more liberal in my views. I don't believe government has the right to invade my life or anyone elses by telling them what is wrong and what is right in regards to their uterus (or any private issue for that matter).I could be off, but I thought of you as relatively liberal anyway. You've said that you're for gay marriage and gay rights in general, and that is a liberal characteristic. I think you said once that you were for capital punishment, but there are liberal people out there who are for it; liberals as a whole aren't against it. I don't know. You seem to have liberal viewpoints in general to me. :shrug:

[Sugar]

But, I fear, the sad reality is that the pro-lifers dont care (or maybe arent thinking?) about the quality of life for these kids once they are here. It wont matter that mostly the POOR are having more babies, and the standard of living for each succeeding child is progressively WORSE....or that our hospitals and nursing staff will be even MORE overloaded, and our cities even MORE crowded....There needs to be more foresight all around, because looking at only one aspect of an issue without considering the rest will bring the whole house of cards tumbling down.

That's why we need to keep talking about it. It drives me crazy that this is never part of the discussion.

[GateandGarden]

That's why we need to keep talking about it. It drives me crazy that this is never part of the discussion.I think Mary has some good points, but I imagine she can discuss those points until she's blue in the face and some pro-life people will continue to say that none of that matters because one should be given a chance at life, regardless of the quality of that life. Supposedly, there's always a chance that it can be a happy life. I suppose that chance is there, though it's a slim one. Those who believe it's murder are going to say that murder is never justified.

[Sugar]

I think Mary has some good points, but I imagine she can discuss those points until she's blue in the face and some pro-life people will continue to say that none of that matters because one should be given a chance at life, regardless of the quality of that life. Supposedly, there's always a chance that it can be a happy life. I suppose that chance is there, though it's a slim one. Those who believe it's murder are going to say that murder is never justified.

Of course some people will refuse to face up to the realities of what a pro-life society will actually mean. But if the rest of us keep bringing these things out into the open, perhaps those who hadn't considered these realities may start to do so.

"Pro-life" is not a moral position; it's a political one. People who would never even consider an abortion may choose to take a different stand politically when faced with some real ugly issues that would be the result of a pro-life society. Or at the very least, come to appreciate what those issues are, and perhaps address them.

I mean, hell, if conservatives want to promote this "culture of life", make it easy for women to get pregnant and have babies. Legislate paid pregnancy leave for women who are working when they get pregnant. Subsidize the crap out of child care...how about making it an extension of the public school system? And make the hiring qualifications on par.

I mean if every child deserves a chance, than we should pour all the resources we can into children, right?

[GardenStateGirlie]

I could be off, but I thought of you as relatively liberal anyway. You've said that you're for gay marriage and gay rights in general, and that is a liberal characteristic. I think you said once that you were for capital punishment, but there are liberal people out there who are for it; liberals as a whole aren't against it. I don't know. You seem to have liberal viewpoints in general to me. :shrug:

Nope, you're not off--I did say those things. I like to think of myself as moderate but then again, I also like to think that most of the population of the US is moderate and gets stuck being pigeonholed into one category or another. My views on foreign affairs are generally conservative but when it comes to things like abortion and gay rights, i'm more liberal because I don't think government has the right to step into anyones life and tell people how they should be living. I don't side completely with either party because I don't feel 100% passionate about everything each stands for and will do for me.

[strandinthewind]

Nope, your not off--I did say those things. I like to think of myself as moderate but then again, I also like to think that most of the population of the US is moderate and gets stuck being pigeonholed into one category or another. My views on foreign affairs are generally conservative but when it comes to things like abortion and gay rights, i'm more liberal because I don't think government has the right to step into anyones life and tell people how they should be living. I don't side completely with either party because I don't feel 100% passionate about everything each stands for and will do for me.


I think you and I think along the same lines and that makes us truer to the definition of "conservative" than anyone I know about in national politics - they are all for using Jesus to control irrelevant aspects of peoples' private lives as a vehicle to keep them in power so they can use that power to make money. It truly is sickening.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I think you and I think along the same lines and that makes us truer to the definition of "conservative" than anyone I know about in national politics - they are all for using Jesus to control irrelevant aspects of peoples' private lives as a vehicle to keep them in power so they can use that power to make money. It truly is sickening.

That's exactly right. Yes, you and I are pretty much always on the same wavelength when it comes to politics. As far as I'm concerned, the right steared too far to the right and the left went too far left. That leaves us nowhere for advancement, IMO. In all good conscious, I can't call myself a conservative nor can I call myself a liberal. Funny thing you mentioning the use of Jesus...think back to times in history when God was used much for the same purposes. Those damn cycles...

Moderate needs to be the new conservative.

[amber]

That's exactly right. Yes, you and I are pretty much always on the same wavelength when it comes to politics. As far as I'm concerned, the right steared too far to the right and the left went too far left. That leaves us nowhere for advancement, IMO. In all good conscious, I can't call myself a conservative nor can I call myself a liberal. Funny thing you mentioning the use of Jesus...think back to times in history when God was used much for the same purposes. Those damn cycles...

Moderate needs to be the new conservative.
A, so, are you a classic "fiscal conservative" maybe? And the kind who thinks gov't should be "hands off" when it comes to business and social programs?

[GateandGarden]

Of course some people will refuse to face up to the realities of what a pro-life society will actually mean. But if the rest of us keep bringing these things out into the open, perhaps those who hadn't considered these realities may start to do so.

"Pro-life" is not a moral position; it's a political one. People who would never even consider an abortion may choose to take a different stand politically when faced with some real ugly issues that would be the result of a pro-life society. Or at the very least, come to appreciate what those issues are, and perhaps address them.

I mean, hell, if conservatives want to promote this "culture of life", make it easy for women to get pregnant and have babies. Legislate paid pregnancy leave for women who are working when they get pregnant. Subsidize the crap out of child care...how about making it an extension of the public school system? And make the hiring qualifications on par.

I mean if every child deserves a chance, than we should pour all the resources we can into children, right?Good points there. Great post. I shouldn't be so cynical and assume that no one will bother to look at the other side. There must always be someone who's willing to do that, if for no other reason than to be certain that he is secure in his own views about the subject and has all his bases covered. One can only hope that someone would be able to look at it objectively, and what you've presented there has to be considered, IMO.

[irishgrl]

I think Mary has some good points, but I imagine she can discuss those points until she's blue in the face and some pro-life people will continue to say that none of that matters because one should be given a chance at life, regardless of the quality of that life. Supposedly, there's always a chance that it can be a happy life. I suppose that chance is there, though it's a slim one. Those who believe it's murder are going to say that murder is never justified.

howzabout this: when a gal is going to an abortion clinic and the pro-life protesters are yelling at her about MURDER! then I think she should say to them: I will stop right now and not go in there if any one of you will sign a legal document offering to ADOPT my child once it its born. You must also pay for my medical expenses from now until the baby is born. It must be BINDING (God forbid a church goer break a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!!)
I wonder just how many GOOD CHRISTIANS would step up for that kind of offer? And I think there should be some sort of HUGE financial penalty if the pro-lifer breaks the contract... HUGE!!

[strandinthewind]

howzabout this: when a gal is going to an abortion clinic and the pro-life protesters are yelling at her about MURDER! then I think she should say to them: I will stop right now and not go in there if any one of you will sign a legal document offering to ADOPT my child once it its born. You must also pay for my medical expenses from now until the baby is born. It must be BINDING (God forbid a church goer break a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!!)
I wonder just how many GOOD CHRISTIANS would step up for that kind of offer? And I think there should be some sort of HUGE financial penalty if the pro-lifer breaks the contract... HUGE!!

Or - they could get in the face of the mob and shriek - well if you allowed anything other than abstinence until the Judeo- Christian form of marriage as the ONLY MF'ING method of BC - maybe there would be less abortions you MF'ERS :mad: AND - please submit all of you medical records to some general authority so Pat Robertson can judge YOU or YOUR choices :rolleyes:

[GypsySorcerer]

Or - they could get in the face of the mob and shriek - well if you allowed anything other than abstinence until the Judeo- Christian form of marriage as the ONLY MF'ING method of BC - maybe there would be less abortions you MF'ERS :mad: AND - please submit all of you medical records to some general authority so Pat Robertson can judge YOU or YOUR choices :rolleyes:

Yup. :xoxo:

[GypsySorcerer]

I mean, hell, if conservatives want to promote this "culture of life", make it easy for women to get pregnant and have babies. Legislate paid pregnancy leave for women who are working when they get pregnant. Subsidize the crap out of child care...how about making it an extension of the public school system? And make the hiring qualifications on par.


Of course, the culture of life doesn't apply to those on death row or to the citizens of Iraq. :mad:

[irishgrl]

Of course, the culture of life doesn't apply to those on death row or to the citizens of Iraq. :mad:
AMEN sister!
:thumbsup:

[Jessica Leigh]

howzabout this: when a gal is going to an abortion clinic and the pro-life protesters are yelling at her about MURDER! then I think she should say to them: I will stop right now and not go in there if any one of you will sign a legal document offering to ADOPT my child once it its born. You must also pay for my medical expenses from now until the baby is born. It must be BINDING (God forbid a church goer break a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!!)
I wonder just how many GOOD CHRISTIANS would step up for that kind of offer? And I think there should be some sort of HUGE financial penalty if the pro-lifer breaks the contract... HUGE!!

Dude, i'm not pregnant and i never have been, but i soooo want to make rounds of the abortion clinics nearby and tell the protesters i won't have the abortion if they sign a contract to pay every expense related to the baby... it would be priceless to see the looks on their faces!!

i was involved in a counter protest in high school... it was a catholic school and they rounded up good catholic kids to go down to the abortion clinic on saturday to protest... so three of my good friends, Fitz, Mark and Stephanie and I went down with our own signs... "against abortion? don't have one!" "my body my choice" you know, all those ones... needless to say we were not popular with campus ministry on monday morning.

[gldstwmn]

Dude, i'm not pregnant and i never have been, but i soooo want to make rounds of the abortion clinics nearby and tell the protesters i won't have the abortion if they sign a contract to pay every expense related to the baby... it would be priceless to see the looks on their faces!!



I flip them off every time I drive by. :)

[dissention]

I flip them off every time I drive by. :)

:lol:

:xoxo:

If they protested at abortion clinics near me, I'd probably do the same.

[amber]

:lol:

:xoxo:

If they protested at abortion clinics near me, I'd probably do the same.
If they protested at the ones near me, a huge group of people and their cousins would probably be there to kick their a***s! :lol:

[gldstwmn]

:lol:

:xoxo:

If they protested at abortion clinics near me, I'd probably do the same.

By the way...the protestors that stand on this one street? Always men.

[dissention]

By the way...the protestors that stand on this one street? Always men.

But, of course. There was an article in Rolling Stone a month or so back about this one guy who goes around protesting abortion clinics in California, he's a real piece of work. Protests right in front of doctors' houses and everything. The article sticks out in my mind because I found it incredibly offensive and distasteful on the part of Rolling Stone because they showed one of his flyers with a picture of an actual aborted fetus. I couldn't believe it.

[DrummerDeanna]

But, of course. There was an article in Rolling Stone a month or so back about this one guy who goes around protesting abortion clinics in California, he's a real piece of work. Protests right in front of doctors' houses and everything. The article sticks out in my mind because I found it incredibly offensive and distasteful on the part of Rolling Stone because they showed one of his flyers with a picture of an actual aborted fetus. I couldn't believe it.

Back home the abortion protesters always had pictures of aborted fetuses on their signs and such...it was scary -there was a good mix of men and women though....

There were also a couple of hard-core nuns who'd wear sandwich signs and stuff one of them was arrested once for being involved in an abortion clinic bombing - way to be good Christians ladies...:rolleyes:

[Miss Vicky]

But, of course. There was an article in Rolling Stone a month or so back about this one guy who goes around protesting abortion clinics in California, he's a real piece of work. Protests right in front of doctors' houses and everything. The article sticks out in my mind because I found it incredibly offensive and distasteful on the part of Rolling Stone because they showed one of his flyers with a picture of an actual aborted fetus. I couldn't believe it.

Rolling Stone offensive and distasteful? Nah... never. ;)

[strandinthewind]

But, of course. There was an article in Rolling Stone a month or so back about this one guy who goes around protesting abortion clinics in California, he's a real piece of work. Protests right in front of doctors' houses and everything. The article sticks out in my mind because I found it incredibly offensive and distasteful on the part of Rolling Stone because they showed one of his flyers with a picture of an actual aborted fetus. I couldn't believe it.

Not that I have seen every flyer out there, but pretty much ALL of the ones I have seen (which is not that many) misrepresent a three month or less fetus - rather, they show a fetus at eight months. That says to me they are scared taht if they show what the fetus looks like during the frist trimester, people will look at them and say - this is not a child yet. COWARDS! :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

But, of course. There was an article in Rolling Stone a month or so back about this one guy who goes around protesting abortion clinics in California, he's a real piece of work. Protests right in front of doctors' houses and everything. The article sticks out in my mind because I found it incredibly offensive and distasteful on the part of Rolling Stone because they showed one of his flyers with a picture of an actual aborted fetus. I couldn't believe it.
Did RS mention that most of them are paid?
Also, we have one of those moving billboard typre trucks here that drives around town with this stuff on it.

[amber]

Did RS mention that most of them are paid?
Also, we have one of those moving billboard typre trucks here that drives around town with this stuff on it.
They're paid? Ah, but of course, it's a repub theme!

[strandinthewind]

They're paid? Ah, but of course, it's a repub theme!

With all due respect, paying protestors is not necessarily limited to political party :shrug: AND - for many of these people, the R party is FAR too liberal for them. which in and of itself is terrifying :eek:

For the sake of Tower :wavey: I am not detracting from the sliminess of the R party, they seemingly are far worse in every aspect than the just sleazy D's.

[amber]

With all due respect, paying protestors is not necessarily limited to political party :shrug: AND - for many of these people, the R party is FAR too liberal for them. which in and of itself is terrifying :eek:

For the sake of Tower :wavey: I am not detracting from the sliminess of the R party, they seemingly are far worse in every aspect than the just sleazy D's.
Yeah, but the Repubs have more money!!! :laugh:
Sesly, I knew you would say that, but...

[dissention]

Rolling Stone offensive and distasteful? Nah... never. ;)

:laugh:

It's gotten much better as a magazine in the past few months, actually. It used to be utter ****, but they've been surprising me with some of their articles and the discs they choose to review.

[strandinthewind]

Yeah, but the Repubs have more money!!! :laugh:
Sesly, I knew you would say that, but...

I know - but your comment implied the R's were the only one doing it and that, as you know, is a pet peeve :laugh:

[amber]

I know - but your comment implied the R's were the only one doing it and that, as you know, is a pet peeve :laugh:
I only hear about Repubs being in bed with money in heinous ways about 20-30 times more often, sorry about the, uh, mistatement.

[strandinthewind]

I only hear about Repubs being in bed with money in heinous ways about 20-30 times more often, sorry about the, uh, mistatement.


Where should we start - perhaps the Clinton give me money and here is your pardon, Clinton's essential sale of the poor's benefits in the "Contract with America," the D's support in the budgets W has passed, and so on and so on. Plus, the D's over the years certainly have bought votes and planted hecklers :shrug: So, I say although I cannot stand the R moreso, I think the D party is the lesser of two evils.

[dissention]

the D's support in the budgets W has passed

The very budgets they bitch about 24/7? Surely you jest! :p

[amber]

Where should we start - perhaps the Clinton give me money and here is your pardon, Clinton's essential sale of the poor's benefits in the "Contract with America," the D's support in the budgets W has passed, and so on and so on. Plus, the D's over the years certainly have bought votes and planted hecklers :shrug: So, I say although I cannot stand the R moreso, I think the D party is the lesser of two evils.
Yes, I thought we all were already coming from the point of view that the Dems were merely the lesser of two evils. :shrug: But if you'd like to present evidence to counter my tongue in cheek comment, more power to you! :thumbsup:

[irishgrl]

Did RS mention that most of them are paid?
Also, we have one of those moving billboard typre trucks here that drives around town with this stuff on it.
if one of those eejits ever drove by MY house I think I'd have my arsenal of EGGS, ROTTEN TOMATOES, and MUD (with a rock inside!) at the ready! OR a hose set to high power stream pointed RIGHT at the driver....or there's always the offerings of the catbox to hoist at them:thumbsup:

[irishgrl]

With all due respect, paying protestors is not necessarily limited to political party :shrug: AND - for many of these people, the R party is FAR too liberal for them. which in and of itself is terrifying :eek:

For the sake of Tower :wavey: I am not detracting from the sliminess of the R party, they seemingly are far worse in every aspect than the just sleazy D's.
you REALLY must curb this crazy impulse you have to change the focus of the topic at hand. Repeat after me: pro-lifers are aligned with REPUBLICANS!
:]

[strandinthewind]

you REALLY must curb this crazy impulse you have to change the focus of the topic at hand. Repeat after me: pro-lifers are aligned with REPUBLICANS!
:]

We were talking about paying people to protest and other such things. Thus, I spun it nowhere. Nice try though :wavey:

BTW - if the D's start to lose big on this issue, let's just see how fast they adandon their support. History demonstrates the D's cave when they are losing - see Walfare Reform Act :shrug:

[irishgrl]

We were talking about paying people to protest and other such things. Thus, I spun it nowhere. Nice try though :wavey:

BTW - if the D's start to lose big on this issue, let's just see how fast they adandon their support. History demonstrates the D's cave when they are losing - see Walfare Reform Act :shrug:

the precise focus was REPUBLICANS paying pro-lifers to protest and YOU said the Dems did it too, which was off point(AND unnecessary!). Now, Im sure you have your reasons for your comments about the evil Dems, but wouldnt it make more sense to start a new thread with the PROOF? just a thot.

as for your second point: If the Dems DO abandon abortion rights, I will abandon THEM. They will NEVER regain their former glory if they cast off one by one the historical planks of their platform. Those very aspects of personal rights and concern for the marginalized members of society are what differentiated them from the Republican Juggernaut. The rabid Fundamentalists are ruining this country with their single minded quest to restrict EVERYONE but rich white males. (as it was in the beginning, it is now and ever shall be.........) what passes for religion nowadays makes me want to GAG. with a spoon.