I guess Lindsey did have a job at one time...

[AliP]

Poor Lindsey...he was traumatized! :laugh: Actually, I think I would have been too. What a crap job.


Robert Morgan Special of the Week - 1980
(about a job he had to get after Buckingham Nicks flopped) "That was very embarrassing too cause as you can tell I'm pretty soft spoken. I got this job trying to sell advertising space. I had to get up at five in the morning to call back east...and uh..'Hi, this is, uh,' and you'd give a fake name and give the name of the directory and you'd say 'would you like to renew this year?' and half the people would say, 'oh, sure if we had it last year' and you'd write them down, but there had not been the directory the year before. It was such a scam, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't take that for more than a month, I just got, uh, too traumatized. I just wasn't cut out for that type of thing."

[amber]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, that is the worst job for Linsdey. I myself could never do sales. (although, regrettably, I did somewhat for a brief period)
but at least he tried something. :rolleyes: I wish I had the luxury to be a genius. :lol: or even go to school without working.
I have a friend from Palo Alto, and he's kind of the same. He usually only has a summer job of coaching kids swimming, and sometimes other jobs, but mostly he "practices music" while his dad pays his credit card bills. :rolleyes: :lol: Oh, and it's not like he's frugal. Somehow, he usually has money for drink, whatever else ;) , and tasty food. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[The Catdancer]

Poor Lindsey...he was traumatized! :laugh: Actually, I think I would have been too. What a crap job.


Robert Morgan Special of the Week - 1980
(about a job he had to get after Buckingham Nicks flopped) "That was very embarrassing too cause as you can tell I'm pretty soft spoken. I got this job trying to sell advertising space. I had to get up at five in the morning to call back east...and uh..'Hi, this is, uh,' and you'd give a fake name and give the name of the directory and you'd say 'would you like to renew this year?' and half the people would say, 'oh, sure if we had it last year' and you'd write them down, but there had not been the directory the year before. It was such a scam, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't take that for more than a month, I just got, uh, too traumatized. I just wasn't cut out for that type of thing."

That was the only job he ever had and he's traumatized??? Poor thing NOT!!!!! He should consider himself lucky because Stevie always provided for him while he worked on his music. And I for one am very proud of her because she never bitched about that (not to my knowledge anyway). Many women would have said:"I took care of him and all he did was smoking dope or getting drunk". She always said that she knew he was a genius.

[Kelly]

I loved the Today Show interview where Matt Lauer asked Stevie about Lindsey "not working"..he sort of insinuated that Linds was lazy and putting Stevie to work. Stevie completely put him in his place and told him "it was ok for him to stay home and practice his guitar because SHE SAID IT WAS OK".....I was thrilled with her answer. She was obviously not going to let Matt put Lindsey down.

I really do not see a problem with him not having a nine to five job and staying at home working on their music. Women have a "job" when they stay home and care for the house and kids. Lindsey was working on their songs, practicing his guitar, producing Stevie's songs...he had a job, just not in the typical sense. If Stevie had no problem with it, no one else should. She has said it many times..she was doing everything she could to make it possible for them to be successful. In fact, I think it makes her feel quite good to know that she financially supported them both at that time in their lives. They worked together as a duo towards their dream and they BOTH made vital contributions.

[dissention]

Poor Lindsey...he was traumatized! :laugh: Actually, I think I would have been too. What a crap job.


Robert Morgan Special of the Week - 1980
(about a job he had to get after Buckingham Nicks flopped) "That was very embarrassing too cause as you can tell I'm pretty soft spoken. I got this job trying to sell advertising space. I had to get up at five in the morning to call back east...and uh..'Hi, this is, uh,' and you'd give a fake name and give the name of the directory and you'd say 'would you like to renew this year?' and half the people would say, 'oh, sure if we had it last year' and you'd write them down, but there had not been the directory the year before. It was such a scam, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't take that for more than a month, I just got, uh, too traumatized. I just wasn't cut out for that type of thing."

:rolleyes:

He really is a piece of work. He never held a real job, yet compares himself to a struggling artist living in a two room flat. He may have a good grasp on a lot things, but reality ain't one of them.

[strandinthewind]

. . . yet compares himself to a struggling artist living in a two room flat. . . .

Whose parents were financially well off and whose girlfriend was willing to work all day long and then cook dinner for him :laugh: We all should be so struggling :laugh:

[dissention]

I loved the Today Show interview where Matt Lauer asked Stevie about Lindsey "not working"..he sort of insinuated that Linds was lazy and putting Stevie to work. Stevie completely put him in his place and told him "it was ok for him to stay home and practice his guitar because SHE SAID IT WAS OK".....I was thrilled with her answer. She was obviously not going to let Matt put Lindsey down.

Why? He was a bum. I'd have kicked him out on his ass.

I really do not see a problem with him not having a nine to five job and staying at home working on their music. Women have a "job" when they stay home and care for the house and kids. Lindsey was working on their songs, practicing his guitar, producing Stevie's songs...he had a job, just not in the typical sense. If Stevie had no problem with it, no one else should. She has said it many times..she was doing everything she could to make it possible for them to be successful. In fact, I think it makes her feel quite good to know that she financially supported them both at that time in their lives. They worked together as a duo towards their dream and they BOTH made vital contributions.

I don't know what kind of person sits at home all day twiddling a guitar and smoking weed while their girlfriend is out there busting her ass to put food on the table and a roof over their head. I think it stinks of yet another instance of Lindsey being a spoiled little kid. I feel so bad over the trauma he endured as an ad salesman for a month. :rolleyes:

[dissention]

Whose parents were financially well off and whose girlfriend was willing to work all day long and then cook dinner for him :laugh: We all should be so struggling :laugh:

No ****. He's a musical genius, yeah, but what a spoiled brat of a man with no concept of reality. I'm telling ya, he f*cks evrything up when he opens his mouth to speak. It's like a train wreck, you have to watch to see what ridiculous thing he'll say next.

[ThePenguin]

Whose parents were financially well off and whose girlfriend was willing to work all day long and then cook dinner for him :laugh: We all should be so struggling :laugh:

And whose aunt (that he didn't even know) left him and his brothers each $10,000 when she died. Which back then was a lot of potatoes (and still is today quite a bit of potatoes!) :nod: Tough life.... :p

-Lis

[Gazza]

I don't know what kind of person sits at home all day twiddling a guitar and smoking weed while their girlfriend is out there busting her ass to put food on the table and a roof over their head.

The kind of person who takes his girlfriend's songs, helps turn them into masterpieces and is the driving force behind an album that sells 30 million? I'd say he's more than made up for it.

And remember, if he hadn't been twiddling a guitar all day long, maybe Mick wouldn't have been so interested in his playing

[dissention]

The kind of person who takes his girlfriend's songs, helps turn them into masterpieces and is the driving force behind an album that sells 30 million? I'd say he's more than made up for it.

And remember, if he hadn't been twiddling a guitar all day long, maybe Mick wouldn't have been so interested in his playing

What a fabulous excuse for sheer laziness. :woohoo:

At least we know who wore the pants in that relationship.

[Les]

Pardon, but how do we know this is the only job Lindsey ever had?

I think it was pretty cool of Stevie to be out there working consistently when Lindsey most likely wasn't. But let's not go too overboard in the "willing to work all day long" rhetoric either.

In 1998, I believe, during an Off the Record (http://nicksfix.com/offtherecord.htm) show, Stevie described her waitressing schedule:

"I like doing lunches four days a week for three hours and making great tips, and making enough money to support Lindsey and I so that he could, lay on the floor and play guitar all day, and I could go out and do this for four hours a day, four times a week, and then I had the other three days a week to spend with him, and to spend working on our music."

First she says four days a week, three hours a day and then she says four days a week, four hours a day. Either way, that works out to a whopping 12 or 16 hour work week. Like I said, it was cool of her to do it, but let's also be realistic.

[Les]

He never held a real job, yet compares himself to a struggling artist living in a two room flat. He may have a good grasp on a lot things, but reality ain't one of them.

While I know it's a thrill to make this claim because it makes for such an easy cheap shot at Lindsey, it still doesn't make it any truer.

Lindsey never compared himself to a starving artist. At that point in the documentary Lindsey was trying to convince Mick that making a double album, which would sell less, shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. He chose an analogy with film makers to try to make this point. As a film maker, one can put out the watered down blockbuster and make money hand over fist, or one can put out something more challenging, and accept that less money will come in, but maybe feel a greater affection and satisfaction about the actual product.

Mick's response, much like yours, was perhaps funny, but not to the point.

[dissention]

In 1998, I believe, during an Off the Record (http://nicksfix.com/offtherecord.htm) show, Stevie described her waitressing schedule:

"I like doing lunches four days a week for three hours and making great tips, and making enough money to support Lindsey and I so that he could, lay on the floor and play guitar all day, and I could go out and do this for four hours a day, four times a week, and then I had the other three days a week to spend with him, and to spend working on our music."

First she says four days a week, three hours a day and then she says four days a week, four hours a day. Either way, that works out to a whopping 12 or 16 hour work week. Like I said, it was cool of her to do it, but let's also be realistic.

It doesn't matter if she worked for three minutes or three months, at least she got up off of her ass and did it instead of lounging about with a guitar and few rolled joints. Pardon me if I don't feel so enthusiastic for someone who sent his girlfriend out to support him while bemoaning the trauma he endured by having to make silly telephone calls for a month. He sure had it rough. :rolleyes:

[Les]

It doesn't matter if she worked for three minutes or three months, at least she got up off of her ass and did it instead of lounging about with a guitar and few rolled joints. Pardon me if I don't feel so enthusiastic for someone who sent his girlfriend out to support him while bemoaning the trauma he endured by having to make silly telephone calls for a month. He sure had it rough. :rolleyes:

It doesn't matter if she worked for three minutes? Wait, weren't you just dumping scorn on Lindsey describing a job that lasted just a month?

He "sent his girlfriend out to support him"? Really? It's a shame Stevie had no say in this. It's a shame that nothing Lindsey worked at was in any way meant to help support he and Stevie or prepare for their future. Pardon me if I don't pretend to know everything these people did in their lives when I wasn't there to see it. ;)

[chiliD]

Let's face it, pot & hash was a whole lot cheaper back in those days. :D

[dissention]

While I know it's a thrill to make this claim because it makes for such an easy cheap shot at Lindsey, it still doesn't make it any truer.

Lindsey never compared himself to a starving artist. At that point in the documentary Lindsey was trying to convince Mick that making a double album, which would sell less, shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. He chose an analogy with film makers to try to make this point. As a film maker, one can put out the watered down blockbuster and make money hand over fist, or one can put out something more challenging, and accept that less money will come in, but maybe feel a greater affection and satisfaction about the actual product.

Mick's response, much like yours, was perhaps funny, but not to the point.

And it's a silly analogy for a rich corporate rocker to make knowing full well that he's not going to be hurting for the money, whereas a filmmaker like Todd Solondz hasn't exactly been rolling in cash because of his films and has never found great commerical success. It was disingenuous, especially when he started talking about two room apartments.

And I loathe to agree with Mick Fleetwood on anything. :laugh:

[dissention]

Pardon me if I don't pretend to know everything these people did in their lives when I wasn't there to see it. ;)

Consider yourself pardoned. ;)

[Les]

And it's a silly analogy for a rich corporate rocker to make knowing full well that he's not going to be hurting for the money, whereas a filmmaker like Todd Solondz hasn't exactly been rolling in cash because of his films and has never found great commerical success. It was disingenuous, especially when he started talking about two room apartments.

He never said he'd be hurting for money. He was trying to convince Mick that making less money than they might didn't have to be the end of the world. In Lindsey's place, faced with Mick who is certainly a man who likes to make a quick buck, what sort of persuasive powers might you try? It seems to me Lindsey chose an anology that he thought might appeal to the artist in Mick.

[dissention]

It seems to me Lindsey chose an anology that he thought might appeal to the artist in Mick.

I didn't know Mick had one. Especially when faced with the prospect of losing money.

[Les]

I didn't know Mick had one. Especially when faced with the prospect of losing money.

Therein was the challenge. I think besides Lindsey, Mick was the other driving force behind Tusk. That was a time when Lindsey was able to be somewhat persuasive with Mick, and Mick himself was more willing to be a bit daring, and he got into the swing of making Tusk what it was. He had misgivings afterwards, which caused a lot hurt feelings between him and Lindsey, but during the making, I think Mick was into it. Mick's first solo album is a fantastic example of Mick's artist at heart. But I think Mick also considers himself a businessman, so the pull between the artist and the huckster is a considerable one. It's one that Lindsey was trying to break through.

[wondergirl9847]

When did the Lindsey Ledge become the dumping grounds? :(

I had a job once, worked there for four days. I'm a lazy bum. :rolleyes: It broke me from ever wanting to work retail again.

He went on the road with the Everly Brothers. That was a job, no?

That's a great question for Lindsey. How many different jobs did you have before you joined FM. :)

[strandinthewind]

Pardon, but how do we know this is the only job Lindsey ever had?

I think it was pretty cool of Stevie to be out there working consistently when Lindsey most likely wasn't. But let's not go too overboard in the "willing to work all day long" rhetoric either.

In 1998, I believe, during an Off the Record (http://nicksfix.com/offtherecord.htm) show, Stevie described her waitressing schedule:

"I like doing lunches four days a week for three hours and making great tips, and making enough money to support Lindsey and I so that he could, lay on the floor and play guitar all day, and I could go out and do this for four hours a day, four times a week, and then I had the other three days a week to spend with him, and to spend working on our music."

First she says four days a week, three hours a day and then she says four days a week, four hours a day. Either way, that works out to a whopping 12 or 16 hour work week. Like I said, it was cool of her to do it, but let's also be realistic.

Now now - be fair :laugh:

La Nicks had to clean houses as well and then come home and care for the brilliantly petulant LB, who was stoned on the floor, and then work on the music :shrug: What guy would NOT take that gig, esp. when one as hot as La Nicks was willing to do it :laugh: But - I agree she did not stay at a job at a place of employment all day long.

[dissention]

But - I agree she did not stay at a job at a place of employment all day long.

At least she went to a place of employment. :wavey:

Listen, I could really care less about the whole thing, I just simply can't believe that there are those who will not call a spade a spade and say that he was lazy. He couldn't have worked just like Stevie for 12 hours a week and still have made gorgoeus music? I think not. He was lazy and Stevie going out and working only spoiled him. Why the hell would he get a job if he had her for a sugar tit?

[strandinthewind]

He never said he'd be hurting for money. He was trying to convince Mick that making less money than they might didn't have to be the end of the world. In Lindsey's place, faced with Mick who is certainly a man who likes to make a quick buck, what sort of persuasive powers might you try? It seems to me Lindsey chose an anology that he thought might appeal to the artist in Mick.


He implied it when he said he had a new house and family to consider :shrug:

In the end, I think LB certainly like to identify with the whole maverick artist image and all that that implies, which ususally, but not always, is the starving artist image, - but he also like the glamour of big time rock and roll all of the luxury that that affords him (who would BTW - I would).

AND - I have no scorn for him for that. It is the way he is - and I love him for it because it has created some brilliant music from the mainstream to the not so mainstream. It just makes me chuckle when he bemoans the very industry off of which he has made a fortune and the one that he seemingly always comes running back to :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Diss, just when I wanted to swap Jason for you.......

Did you sign a pre nup :laugh:

Keep me and take a lover in the afternoon (Gloriaaaaaa) :cool:

[dissention]

I hated that part because it's so easy to pick the obvious joke which is not exactly on point and then laugh as if the point does not still stand. He actually never inferred that he'd be the guy in the two bedroom flat, simply that he admired the man who did forfeit the easy, financially rewarded route for the artistically and self rewarding route. He was saying that he'd prefer to make that same choice. The fact that he has enough financial rewards from 10 years of hit songs to live off does not take from the fact that he'd rather make that same artistic choice.

This is the same man who bemoaned the fact that Warners wouldn't release Gift of Screws and then turned around and made it into a Fleetwood Mac album with insufferable Stevie Nicks "songs" tacked on. If he was so concerned with artistic integrity and releasing his art without worrying about money and compromising his vision, he would have released it independently or sought out a small label such as Sanctuary. Instead, he took the commercial approach and feigned shock when the reality sunk in that it was, in fact, a commercial venture and not a very artistic one.

[Les]

Now now - be fair :laugh:

La Nicks had to clean houses as well and then come home and care for the brilliantly petulant LB, who was stoned on the floor, and then work on the music :shrug: What guy would NOT take that gig, esp. when one as hot as La Nicks was willing to do it :laugh: But - I agree she did not stay at a job at a place of employment all day long.

Be fair? This "brilliantly petulant" LB forever on this damned floor stoned? I'd think the state of being perpetually on this floor might have caused some muscular atrophy. It's amazing the man can still walk. ;)

[dissention]

Diss, just when I wanted to swap Jason for you.......


How you could have married such a high-ranking member of the Stevie Brigade in the first place is a mystery to me. The sex must be fabulous. ;)

[strandinthewind]

This is the same man who bemoaned the fact that Warners wouldn't release Gift of Screws and then turned around and made it into a Fleetwood Mac album with insufferable Stevie Nicks "songs" tacked on. If he was so concerned with artistic integrity and releasing his art without worrying about money and compromising his vision, he would have released it independently or sought out a small label such as Sanctuary. Instead, he took the commercial approach and feigned shock when the reality sunk in that it was, in fact, a commercial venture and not a very artistic one.

Ah - but it was artistic to him - I mean he seemed elated La Nicks was coming on board and he said he was knocked out that they were all working together again. So, I think it was an artistic venture, just not one to your liking :nod:

[dissention]

I mean he seemed elated La Nicks was coming on board and he said he was knocked out that they were all working together again.

He must have been stoned on the floor again.

[strandinthewind]

Be fair? This "brilliantly petulant" LB forever on this damned floor stoned? I'd think the state of being perpetually on this floor might have caused some muscular atrophy. It's amazing the man can still walk. ;)

Though I did not really say he was "always" stoned, mea culpa for any implication because he most certianly was not always stoned - just apparently when La Nicks got home from working to allow him that luxury :wavey:

Of course it was the 70's and they were in LA - so he could have been always stoned as many were :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

He must have been stoned on the floor again.

smoking dope reading Creem Magazine waiting to buy a FM record :laugh:

[Les]

This is the same man who bemoaned the fact that Warners wouldn't release Gift of Screws and then turned around and made it into a Fleetwood Mac album with insufferable Stevie Nicks "songs" tacked on. If he was so concerned with artistic integrity and releasing his art without worrying about money and compromising his vision, he would have released it independently or sought out a small label such as Sanctuary. Instead, he took the commercial approach and feigned shock when the reality sunk in that it was, in fact, a commercial venture and not a very artistic one.


This assumes that he's always able to make just exactly the decisions he and only he wants to make. This assumes that Lindsey feels that Stevie's "insufferable" songs weren't making any artistic contribution to an album. This assumes that he doesn't enjoy his band and wasn't there for any other reason than to make money.

This also isn't the point we were discussing about trying to convince Mick to make a double album with an analogy that you've accused him of using in a way he wasn't.

[strandinthewind]

How you could have married such a high-ranking member of the Stevie Brigade in the first place is a mystery to me. The sex must be fabulous. ;)

I also am a high ranking member of the LB brigade :shrug: I mean I flew to Chicago for his Soundstage thingee for goodness sake and I have repeatedly said I think he is a genius and I love his work.

As for Lux - a gentleman never tells :cool:

[Les]

He implied it when he said he had a new house and family to consider :shrug:

No, he didn't. That was a different conversation at an entirely different point in the making of the album, when he decided it wasn't smart to personally absorb all losses all by himself, when his artistic plea to Mick failed.

[dissention]

This assumes that he's always able to make just exactly the decisions he and only he wants to make.

He's a grown man, no one twisted his arm.

This assumes that Lindsey feels that Stevie's "insufferable" songs weren't making any artistic contribution to an album.

"Insufferable" is my opinion.

This assumes that he doesn't enjoy his band and wasn't there for any other reason than to make money.

The fact that he opted to turn it into yet another Mac project with insufferable Stevie Nicks songs after his album had been rejected in the nineties makes it obvious that money was part of the equation.

This also isn't the point we were discussing about trying to convince Mick to make a double album with an analogy that you've accused him of using in a way he wasn't.

No, it isn't. Keep up, dear. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

No, he didn't. That was a different conversation at an entirely different point in the making of the album, when he decided it wasn't smart to personally absorb all losses all by himself, when his artistic plea to Mick failed.

Well, no :laugh: I think the two cannot be easily separated as they occured in the same general argument. I got the impression overall that LB was very worried about the commercial success of this record and how it would affect his life. I think he just refused to believe that a double CD would not sell. Again, I am not faulting him for this as I would be worried about commerical success as well, esp. considering my band spent probably way over a million dollars making the record, my last solo stuff did not sell well at all, CM (the hit maker) was not there, and I have a new house and family.

[strandinthewind]

He lets his b*tch do that instead.

where is that pasta!!!!!!! :eek:

Actually, Diss could be both of ours. We could drive him nuts - a relative concept I readily admit and it is a little hard to make water wetter :laugh:

[dissention]

Obviously we respond well to derogatory comments and the need to hit each other, sometimes with spaghetti. Plus there's nothing like a bit of role-play and if dressing up in nothing but a piece of chiffon is his style, then I guess it's just my lot in life.

Poor thing. You must be a masochist. I envision Jason getting off by tying you up and forcing you to listen to When I See You Again until you sing it and like it.

[strandinthewind]

Poor thing. You must be a masochist. I envision Jason getting off by tying you up and forcing you to listen to When I See You Again until you sing it and like it.

well, it could be worse in that I could be singing it at the same time!!!!! :eek: :eek: :angel: :wavey: :angel:

[dissention]

No, he didn't. That was a different conversation at an entirely different point in the making of the album, when he decided it wasn't smart to personally absorb all losses all by himself, when his artistic plea to Mick failed.

The fact that it took him so long to realize it wouldn't be smart to absorb all the losses by himself is very telling about his view of reality.

[strandinthewind]

The fact that it took him so long to realize it wouldn't be smart to absorb all the losses by himself is very telling about his view of reality.


REALITY - you assume to much for these people :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Les]

Though I did not really say he was "always" stoned, mea culpa for any implication because he most certianly was not always stoned - just apparently when La Nicks got home from working to allow him that luxury :wavey:

Are you sure Stevie wasn't describing one or two incidents over and over and over because she enjoys how it makes her look and how it makes Lindsey look? ;)

[dissention]

well, it could be worse in that I could be singing it at the same time!!!!! :eek: :eek: :angel: :wavey: :angel:

That would be one instance where auto-erotic asphyxiation would be required to go horribly wrong and make someone pass out. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Are you sure Stevie wasn't describing one or two incidents over and over and over because she enjoys how it makes her look and how it makes Lindsey look? ;)

who knows and I never heard LB deny it - of course it is possible his memory is foggy :laugh:

In the end - she willingly worked and took care of him. Who are we to judge :laugh:

[Les]

The fact that it took him so long to realize it wouldn't be smart to absorb all the losses by himself is very telling about his view of reality.

That's certainly one very cutting view to take, isn't it? There are others one could take that suggest he was turning himself inside out exploring all options to figure out a way to make the double album, and then upon further consideration, decided it wasn't healthy to his life to shoulder all of the pressure alone.

[strandinthewind]

No he prefers to torture me with Silver Girl.

Diss. and I could both get you with that one as we are both fans of it - though it seemingly could be lumped into his insufferable nomenclature :cool:

[dissention]

No he prefers to torture me with Silver Girl.

While giving you Nicks' "ThisIsSeeeeeeeerious" look and making every possible thing that happens about him.

[strandinthewind]

That's certainly one very cutting view to take, isn't it? There are others one could take that suggest he was turning himself inside out exploring all options to figure out a way to make the double album, and then upon further consideration, decided it wasn't healthy to his life to shoulder all of the pressure alone.

:laugh: we are talking about Diss here - pretty much everything is either black or white - no inbetweens :laugh: and lord love him for it :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

[Les]

who knows and I never heard LB deny it - of course it is possible his memory is foggy :laugh:

In the end - she willingly worked and took care of him. Who are we to judge :laugh:

Who are we to judge? Seems like lots of us are pretty willing to judge based on this thread. LB, man what a lazy ass loser.

Has LB denied it? Not that I know of. Of course LB doesn't really talk very much about his life pre-FM in any regard.

[strandinthewind]

Some people just need mummy's.

So come on, where's this bread you're supposed to be winning? I suffer your singing of Stevie's tunes and bizarre spanking techniques, chop chop.


whole wheat, rye, seven grain . . . .

[strandinthewind]

Who are we to judge? Seems like lots of us are pretty willing to judge based on this thread. LB, man what a lazy ass loser.

Has LB denied it? Not that I know of. Of course LB doesn't really talk very much about his life pre-FM in any regard.


I never called him that and have repeatedly qualified my statements as such. I just said the stories indicate he did not work and Stevie did and who would blame him for that - what guy does not want a hottie servicing him.

Now - Diss is judging him and alienating affections at the same time :mad:

:laugh:

[dissention]

Diss. and I could both get you with that one as we are both fans of it - though it seemingly could be lumped into his insufferable nomenclature :cool:

Not as insufferable as Say You Will, Thrown Down, and Illume. Christ, I pray that I go deaf when the album nears those songs. Her doe-eyed woman-child schtick has gotten so old.

Nah, I like Silver Girl to a degree, I don't try to hide it. ;)

[dissention]

Who are we to judge? Seems like lots of us are pretty willing to judge based on this thread. LB, man what a lazy ass loser.

I don't judge him, I just think that all the facts we know about point to him being lazy. Doesn't make him a bad person or bad musician, just lazy at that point in time.

Has LB denied it? Not that I know of. Of course LB doesn't really talk very much about his life pre-FM in any regard.

Seeing as how he's had the same "cycles" script for almost ten years, no, he doesn't talk of it much. :laugh:

[dissention]

Well in that case I'll just stick with Jason. Torture is one thing, but multiple tortures is taking it too far. Although I trust that you wouldn't turn my suffering and a rather immobile state into some dramatic story about what you had to endure.

No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't write an insufferable song about it, either.

[Les]

He's a grown man, no one twisted his arm.

And even grown men don't get to do everything precisely as they want to at every moment in life.

"Insufferable" is my opinion.

Yes, it was. But you were framing your argument as if it were part of his opinion.

The fact that he opted to turn it into yet another Mac project with insufferable Stevie Nicks songs after his album had been rejected in the nineties makes it obvious that money was part of the equation.

Sure, but that doesn't make it the only part of the equation.

No, it isn't. Keep up, dear. :laugh:

LOL, yeah sorry. Trying to follow the debate logically is probably silly if the other keeps shifting the ground to suit their points. ;)

[Les]

I don't judge him...<snip>

LOL! What thread have I been reading?

He really is a piece of work...
I don't know what kind of person sits at home all day twiddling a guitar and smoking weed while…
He was a bum...

[strandinthewind]

LOL! What thread have I been reading?

He really is a piece of work...
I don't know what kind of person sits at home all day twiddling a guitar and smoking weed while…
He was a bum...


again - it is black or white - it is good or bad :wavey:

It took me awhile to get used to that :laugh:

[Les]

Well, no :laugh: I think the two cannot be easily separated as they occured in the same general argument.

Well, yes, I think they can. One was made when he was trying to convince a bandmate who is overly fixated on the money to look at something else. The other was made after several band fights and after looking at the possibilities of shouldering all financial losses on his own

I got the impression overall that LB was very worried about the commercial success of this record and how it would affect his life. I think he just refused to believe that a double CD would not sell.

Okay. I didn't get that same impression at all. I think he knew he needed to think about commercial concerns, but he didn't want to let that be too much of a determining factor that shaped the album. I also think he absolutely knew a double album would sell less and that was the whole reason for trying to come up with an analogy that would appeal to Mick's artistry and might remove some of the sting from probably making less money.

[Gazza]

What a fabulous excuse for sheer laziness. :woohoo:

Laziness? Dedicating yourself to getting good at something you love isn't lazy. He learnt his craft and in doing so contributed hugely to taking a forgotten about band to a new level of success.

Like Stevie says "You're not like other people, you do what you want to"

[strandinthewind]

Well, yes, I think they can. One was made when he was trying to convince a bandmate who is overly fixated on the money to look at something else. The other was made after several band fights and after looking at the possibilities of shouldering all financial losses on his own

But, it was all centered around money in that essentially the whole DR doc (which I suggest was only a snippet of what went on in toto - so we are speculating based on that small vision :shrug: ) was about LB portraying himself as artist with integrity against the corp. machine and the bandmates who wanted to sell a record, which ostensibly why LB was there as well. Thus, it is related to me, though it occurred at different times. I think LB has a hard time being in an band and having people tell him no. I mean none of us like it when we are told no and none of us have that I know of the artistic brilliance and vision of LB :shrug: and have other cooks in the kitchen with similar artistic brilliance and vision but no inherent means of executing it to its fuition.

[Les]

But, it was all centered around money in that essentially the whole DR doc (which I suggest was only a snippet of what went on in toto - so we are speculating based on that small vision :shrug: ) was about LB portraying himself as artist with integrity against the corp. machine and the bandmates who wanted to sell a record, which ostensibly why LB was there as well. Thus, it is related to me, though it occurred at different times. I think LB has a hard time being in an band and having people tell him no. I mean none of us like it when we are told no and none of us have that I know of the artistic brilliance and vision of LB :shrug: and have other cooks in the kitchen with similar artistic brilliance and vision but no inherent means of executing it to its fuition.

Well, therein lies a fundamental difference in how you and I view Lindsey. I don't think the doc was about Lindsey "portraying himself" as anything other than what Lindsey is. He's the guy in the band who often pushes for something a little different than what the others are comfortable with. From your extensive posts on the subject at various times, you seem to repeatedly take this stance that Stevie and Mick were simply being themselves and trying to talk common sense into this Lindsey character who was "portraying" himself as representing something he doesn't genuinely strive for. I think the conflicts evident in that documentary are essentially the same conflicts this band has been struggling with for 25 years and that nobody was "portraying" anything about themselves and their ideologies that isn't true to what they want for themselves and the band.

[strandinthewind]

Well, therein lies a fundamental difference in how you and I view Lindsey. I don't think the doc was about Lindsey "portraying himself" as anything other than what Lindsey is. He's the guy in the band who often pushes for something a little different than what the others are comfortable with. From your extensive posts on the subject at various times, you seem to repeatedly take this stance that Stevie and Mick were simply being themselves and trying to talk common sense into this Lindsey character who was "portraying" himself as representing something he doesn't genuinely strive for. I think the conflicts evident in that documentary are essentially the same conflicts this band has been struggling with for 25 years and that nobody was "portraying" anything about themselves and their ideologies that isn't true to what they want for themselves and the band.

I did not mean to imply that the portrayal was not the way he is and I did not mean it in a perjorative way, which I think you took it as. I was using it as a manner of speaking andn not to imply that LB created this false persona. Sorry for the confusion.

I agree and think LB likes pushing the envelope and I like it when he does. But, my point was and is I do think LB is not the maverick he perhaps would like to be or like for us to think he is because although he bemoans the industry and its control of him as he did in DR - he simultaneously seeemingly loves it and works pretty well in it - I mean he keeps running back to it :shrug: Maybe he is running back for Stevie - who knows - be he runs back to it nonetheless. Thus, he is a mini-maverick :laugh: (levity)

[Les]

I did not mean to imply that the portrayal was not the way he is and I did not mean it in a perjorative way, which I think you took it as. I was using it as a manner of speaking andn not to imply that LB created this false persona. Sorry for the confusion.

I agree and think LB likes pushing the envelope and I like it when he does. But, my point was and is I do think LB is not the maverick he perhaps would like to be or like for us to think he is because although he bemoans the industry and its control of him as he did in DR - he simultaneously seeemingly loves it and works pretty well in it - I mean he keeps running back to it :shrug: Maybe he is running back for Stevie - who knows - be he runs back to it nonetheless. Thus, he is a mini-maverick :laugh: (levity)

I don't actually think Lindsey thinks he is some sort of profound maverick, but what he is used to is being the only in the band on one side of a debate, while everyone else is on the other side or just not getting involved. He jokes he's "the troublemaker" because of that pattern. Within Fleetwood Mac, that pattern has to make him feel like he's out of the mainstream fairly regularly or the debate teams wouldn't so often end up that way.

I don't think one has to love an industry and never complain about it and some of the its more rigid "rules" in order to work in it. I've been grateful for my paychecks, but that doesn't mean I never complain about my employer or don't long for priorities to be different. It seems to me that Lindsey, who grew up with the industry, so to speak, and remembers how different it used to be, is not precluded from being nervous and uncertain about leaving behind the label he knows and all of the people he's familiar with.

As you alluded to earlier, black and white is rarely reality. Shades of gray is where most of life takes place. Lindsey said something about how how he doesn't always accomplish his ultimate goal, but his intention is pure. That's pretty much how I think he, as well as the rest in the band, and most of us, get through life. You have a set of priorities that you strive toward. You don't always have things turn out exactly as you thought they might, but you don't stop aspiring to those ideals in some fashion, and making concessions to realities and insecurities, each time out of the gate.

[AliP]

Wow, I post this late at night and wake up this morning and the post is in a frenzy! Seriously, I didn't post this for any other reason other than because I thought the quote was funny. Anyhoo.

Are you sure Stevie wasn't describing one or two incidents over and over and over because she enjoys how it makes her look and how it makes Lindsey look? ;)

Actually, I don't believe Stevie was describing one or two incidents. ;) Lindsey was a pot-head, plain and simple. He still is a pot-head. Just watch the Destiny Rules doc where you can see him smoking his pipe during the mixing :laugh:

Now, whether that made him lazy is another question. I don't think it did.

[amber]

No he prefers to torture me with Silver Girl.
I'm late, but i just have to say...
YAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FORTHELOVEOFALLTHATISGOODANDHOLY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOTSILVERGIRLPLEASEGOD!!!!!!
However, I will gladly participate in the "whasamattababy" scenario. :wavey: But only if I get to add extra whasamattababys" :laugh:
Amber "card carying member of Stevie brigade, and yes, the sex is fabulous" G

[dissention]

However, I will gladly participate in the "whasamattababy" scenario. :wavey: But only if I get to add extra whasamattababys" :laugh:


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

Castrate me if you must, but please, not that!!!!!!!! :eek:

[strandinthewind]

I don't actually think Lindsey thinks he is some sort of profound maverick, but what he is used to is being the only in the band on one side of a debate, while everyone else is on the other side or just not getting involved. He jokes he's "the troublemaker" because of that pattern. Within Fleetwood Mac, that pattern has to make him feel like he's out of the mainstream fairly regularly or the debate teams wouldn't so often end up that way.

I don't think one has to love an industry and never complain about it and some of the its more rigid "rules" in order to work in it. I've been grateful for my paychecks, but that doesn't mean I never complain about my employer or don't long for priorities to be different. It seems to me that Lindsey, who grew up with the industry, so to speak, and remembers how different it used to be, is not precluded from being nervous and uncertain about leaving behind the label he knows and all of the people he's familiar with.

As you alluded to earlier, black and white is rarely reality. Shades of gray is where most of life takes place. Lindsey said something about how how he doesn't always accomplish his ultimate goal, but his intention is pure. That's pretty much how I think he, as well as the rest in the band, and most of us, get through life. You have a set of priorities that you strive toward. You don't always have things turn out exactly as you thought they might, but you don't stop aspiring to those ideals in some fashion, and making concessions to realities and insecurities, each time out of the gate.

and I totally agree with that. I just think like the SN people, the LB people think that when someone says LB is a bit of a hypocrite because although he openly eschews convention, he keeps running back to it then complaining about it to no end - that is the same as saying LB is a no good blah blah blah who is impossible to work with and who in secret cannot stand by his principles which he tauts in a consciously fake manner. I think that is not what I said :cool:

Note: I speak in general only and not about anyone in particular

[amber]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

Castrate me if you must, but please, not that!!!!!!!! :eek:
:laugh: :lol:
THis is funny - we could alternately torture each other while not being repulsed by the song we're using for torture. Awesome.

[Les]

and I totally agree with that. I just think like the SN people, the LB people think that when someone says LB is a bit of a hypocrite because although he openly eschews convention, he keeps running back to it then complaining about it to no end - that is the same as saying LB is a no good blah blah blah who is impossible to work with and who in secret cannot stand by his principles which he tauts in a consciously fake manner. I think that is not what I said :cool:

To be honest, I'm having a little difficulty following that second sentence and who the "SN people" are and what they're supposed to have said and who the "LB people" are, etc.

[David]

I don't judge him, I just think that all the facts we know about point to him being lazy.There's a kid I know, the drummer in a group I'm in. He's fecked up. He's about 26 years old, didn't attend college. He thinks he's an artist. Know the type? They're rampant among weekend warrior musician types. Anyway, this kid just will not work a job; he says he just isn't "cut out for it." I always smile sort of bemusedly. It's like my grandfather who won't attend funerals after deaths in the family because he "doesn't like them." The rest of us do, granddad?!

That's what I tell Jason: "Working for a living is what they mean by being a responsible adult, Jay." He doesn't get it. He tried working last year at (of all places) Guitar Center. Now, if there's anywhere I would think a musician would want to work if he had to, it would be Guitar Center. Jay lasted about a month there. I had a great laugh when he told me he had quit.

I doubt anyone in Fleetwood Mac did -- or would have wanted to do -- much in the way of full-time workplace employment, particularly in their 20s. So many musicians, especially those who have tasted even a little bit of the Big Time, just won't force themselves to trudge off to work every morning & keep it going for years -- like the rest of us. Maybe Lindsey was just like all these guys like Jason in their 20s. They must have been as numerous then as they are now.

As for Stevie, even if she worked full-time (40 hours a week) at some point, it wouldn't have been longer than about 12 or 13 months, would it? She wouldn't have worked before "Buckingham Nicks" stiffed; it would have been after, when they had been dropped by Polydor. That was in early '74 or so (the album was released in late '73). And LB & SN were put on Fleetwood Mac salary starting in early '75, right? Look out! I mean, people make it sound as if it was really something out of the ordinary . . . "Oh my god, Stevie Nicks held a . . . a . . . JOB!!"

There must have been a recession at the time, because otherwise how could two healthy kids not have been able to support themselves in the Los Angeles area without starving?

[dissention]

There's a kid I know, the drummer in a group I'm in. He's fecked up. He's about 26 years old, didn't attend college. He thinks he's an artist. Know the type? They're rampant among weekend warrior musician types. Anyway, this kid just will not work a job; he says he just isn't "cut out for it." I always smile sort of bemusedly. It's like my grandfather who won't attend funerals after deaths in the family because he "doesn't like them." The rest of us do, granddad?!

That's what I tell Jason: "Working for a living is what they mean by being a responsible adult, Jay." He doesn't get it. He tried working last year at (of all places) Guitar Center. Now, if there's anywhere I would think a musician would want to work if he had to, it would be Guitar Center. Jay lasted about a month there. I had a great laugh when he told me he had quit.

Would he rather have a job at Guitar Center or McDonald's? :shrug: Sounds like one lazy bum. Who supports him? Mommy and daddy?

I had a friend in college who always bitched and moaned on the weekends that he couldn't go out anywhere or buy any food because he was broke. I had never met someone in college who wasn't borke, but he was a rarity. He had never held a job in his life, even while in college, and he had the gall to complain to others that he couldn't afford this or that. I told him once that maybe he should get a job not just because it would give him money, but because it might give him a little purpose instead of just lounging around doing nothing. He told me it was too much work and he didn't have the patience. :rolleyes:

I doubt anyone in Fleetwood Mac did -- or would have wanted to do -- much in the way of full-time workplace employment, particularly in their 20s. So many musicians, especially those who have tasted even a little bit of the Big Time, just won't force themselves to trudge off to work every morning & keep it going for years -- like the rest of us. Maybe Lindsey was just like all these guys like Jason in their 20s. They must have been as numerous then as they are now.

As for Stevie, even if she worked full-time (40 hours a week) at some point, it wouldn't have been longer than about 12 or 13 months, would it? She wouldn't have worked before "Buckingham Nicks" stiffed; it would have been after, when they had been dropped by Polydor. That was in early '74 or so (the album was released in late '73). And LB & SN were put on Fleetwood Mac salary starting in early '75, right? Look out! I mean, people make it sound as if it was really something out of the ordinary . . . "Oh my god, Stevie Nicks held a . . . a . . . JOB!!"

There must have been a recession at the time, because otherwise how could two healthy kids not have been able to support themselves in the Los Angeles area without starving?

Well, calling a spade a spade, they never really had to work very hard for the success that they achieved. Look at the artists who trudge along through life for years until they finally get a small break. Not those two. Everything fell into their lap pretty damn quickly and I can only imagine how it shaped their view of the world and how spoiled they became because of it. Makes me shudder. Even when Stevie goes on television with her big doe-eyes and tells of being poor and cleaning apartments, I just want to roll my eyes because her parents were always there to catch her, as were Lindsey's. They make themselves sound so impoverished when they probably have no clue as to what living in poverty really is.

[Les]

They make themselves sound so impoverished when they probably have no clue as to what living in poverty really is.

There's also the possibility that they don't particularly intend for anyone to take their word choice quite as literally as you are. In the quote that Ali used when she started this thread, Lindsey is chuckling through it. I don't really come away with the feeling that he really means he was "traumatized" in the literal sense of that word. When Stevie talks about being poor and starving, she may dip into her tendency to dramatize, but it doesn't require a stretch to think she doesn't really intend to say that she was truly near death's door. She uses terms that a lot of people use to describe times in their lives when they aren't living well. The terms aren't used in their most literal sense or in their most extreme interpretation.

As for being spoiled, of course they are and I'd say that they know it too.

[dissention]

There's also the possibility that they don't particularly intend for anyone to take their word choice quite as literally as you are. In the quote that Ali used when she started this thread, Lindsey is chuckling through it. I don't really come away with the feeling that he really means he was "traumatized" in the literal sense of that word. When Stevie talks about being poor and starving, she may dip into her tendency to dramatize, but it doesn't require a stretch to think she doesn't really intend to say that she was truly near death's door. She uses terms that a lot of people use to describe times in their lives when they aren't living well. The terms aren't used in their most literal sense or in their most extreme interpretation.

As for being spoiled, of course they are and I'd say that they know it too.

Sheesh. I'd be absolutely lost if I didn't have you to interpret their childish comments and explain exactly what they meant to say.

[Les]

Sheesh. I'd be absolutely lost if I didn't have you to interpret their childish comments and explain exactly what they meant to say.

Right back at you, friend. It's great to know there can't be any other possible or even plausible explanations for anything they've ever said or done since you're here to explain exactly what every bit of means without even being privvy to most of what's happened in their lives. ;)

[dissention]

Right back at you, friend. It's great to know there can't be any other possible or even plausible explanations for anything they've ever said or done since you're here to explain exactly what every bit of means without even being privvy to most of what's happened in their lives. ;)

:nod: Exactly.

Unlike some people, though, I don't wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Stevie Nicks or Lindsey Buckingham and, when presented with the things the two of them have presented to us over the past twenty years, I can recognize laziness when I see it. ;)

[strandinthewind]

To be honest, I'm having a little difficulty following that second sentence and who the "SN people" are and what they're supposed to have said and who the "LB people" are, etc.

Well then let me explain it :laugh: Historically, on this site people are pigeonholed into two camps - LB likers and SB likers (or chiffonheads :laugh: ) -- people seem to think that the chiffonheads are oversensitive to Stevie criticism. Vice Versa for LB supporter. I cannot believe you have never noticed this. As to whom fits where - I think you are well qualified to make those assumptions yourself seeing as how you have been here longer than I have and often participate in these discussions :shrug: For the record, I like both LB and SN as well as FM - I also wish CM was still part of the band - but sadly, that will never happen. I also think I call it like I see it when expressing opinions about the history of the band and I back up what I conclude. So, despite Diss.'s placing me earlier on the Stevie Camp, I think I am not really a huge chiffonhead - how that term is usually defined. Does that help?

Edit - again, my entire post did not show :mad:

[Les]

:nod: Exactly.

Unlike some people, though, I don't wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Stevie Nicks or Lindsey Buckingham and, when presented with the things the two of them have presented to us over the past twenty years, I can recognize laziness when I see it. ;)

I don't own rose colored glasses. But I also don't own ****-colored glasses, and I'm not familiar with this concept that one must have an extreme and judgmental opinion on absolutely everything they do, especially when some of the facts are shaky and open to several interpretations. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

. . . I can recognize laziness when I see it. ;)

and usually it is seen in my typing skills :laugh: :eek: :laugh:

[Les]

Well then let me explain it :laugh: Historically, on this site people are pigeonholed into two camps - LB likers and SB likers (or chiffonheads :laugh: ) -- people seem to think that the chiffonheads are oversensitive to Stevie criticism. Vice Versa for LB supporter. I cannot believe you have never noticed this. As to whom fits where - I think you are well qualified to make those assumptions youself seeing as how you have been here longer than I have and often participate in these discussions :shrug For the record, I like both LB and SN as well as FM - I also wish CM was still part of the band - but sadly, that will never happen. I also think I call it like I see it when expressing opinions about the history of the band and I back up what I conclude. So, despite Diss.'s placing me earlier on the Stevie Camp, I think I am not realy a huge chiffonhead - how that term is usually defined. Does that help?

I'm terribly familiar with the camps. ;) I just wasn't quite able to follow your sentence to understand what you said was being attributed to whom. It's not really important. I think we both probably know that we don't agree on each other's interpretation of several issues. Such is life. :)

[strandinthewind]

I'm terribly familiar with the camps. ;) I just wasn't quite able to follow your sentence to understand what you said was being attributed to whom. It's not really important. I think we both probably know that we don't agree on each other's interpretation of several issues. Such is life. :)

Such is life indeed and I really agree with much of what you said here and elsewhere. I think we disagree mostly in the minutia :nod: and I really like hearing your point of view as mine most certainly is not the law - so to speak :cool:

[dissention]

I don't own rose colored glasses.

Could have fooled me.

But I also don't own ****-colored glasses, and I'm not familiar with this concept that one must have an extreme and judgmental opinion on absolutely everything they do, especially when some of the facts are shaky and open to several interpretations. :wavey:

Could have fooled me. :woohoo:

[dissention]

and usually it is seen in my typing skills :laugh: :eek: :laugh:

:lol::lol::lol:

+10, darling. :xoxo:

[Les]

Could have fooled me. :woohoo:

Well, perhaps then that's not as hard as you think. ;)

[dissention]

Well, perhaps then that's not as hard as you think. ;)

Or perhaps you're simply blowing smoke. ;)

[Les]

Or perhaps you're simply blowing smoke. ;)

As I said a few posts back, right back at you, friend. :laugh:

[dissention]

As I said a few posts back, right back at you, friend. :laugh:

Then both our asses must be pretty sore by this point, dear. :p

[Les]

Then both our asses must be pretty sore by this point, dear. :p

Actually, mine is feeling pretty good. I wouldn't want to make any assumptions about yours because I'm not in possession of all the facts. :p

[dissention]

Actually, mine is feeling pretty good. I wouldn't want to make any assumptions about yours because I'm not in possession of all the facts. :p

Or it might just be that you slipped those rose-colored glasses on yet again. ;)

[Les]

Or it might just be that you slipped those rose-colored glasses on yet again. ;)

If glasses can improve something about my rear-end, I'm getting in line for them first thing tomorrow! ;)

[dissention]

If glasses can improve something about my rear-end, I'm getting in line for them first thing tomorrow! ;)

:laugh:

Good one...

[strandinthewind]

If glasses can improve something about my rear-end, I'm getting in line for them first thing tomorrow! ;)

MEE TOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

[dissention]

MEE TOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Never get anything but Alain Mikli. :laugh: Best glasses in the world. I could throw mine off of the Empire State building and they wouldn't break or scratch.

[strandinthewind]

Never get anything but Alain Mikli. :laugh: Best glasses in the world. I could throw mine off of the Empire State building and they wouldn't break or scratch.

I used to be a total eyeglasse snob. I LOVE Oliver Peoples and Matsuda (sp.?) - But - though I still do, I got over it :laugh: I usually get Zeiss lenses though as their reputation is good and they are thinner than normal lenses. But, my eyesight is not that bad at -1.50 in the left and -1.25 in the right. I really need glasses only to see little things far away.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Poor Lindsey...he was traumatized! :laugh: Actually, I think I would have been too. What a crap job.


Robert Morgan Special of the Week - 1980
(about a job he had to get after Buckingham Nicks flopped) "That was very embarrassing too cause as you can tell I'm pretty soft spoken. I got this job trying to sell advertising space. I had to get up at five in the morning to call back east...and uh..'Hi, this is, uh,' and you'd give a fake name and give the name of the directory and you'd say 'would you like to renew this year?' and half the people would say, 'oh, sure if we had it last year' and you'd write them down, but there had not been the directory the year before. It was such a scam, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't take that for more than a month, I just got, uh, too traumatized. I just wasn't cut out for that type of thing."


Well, he IS soft spoken and not a smooth talker. He was smart to leave especially since it was such a scam!
Lindsey seems a bit anti-social and he did not seem to have marketable skills so really what was he going to do?

As for Stevie working I think that she would have been bored staying at home. She seems to be social and probably enjoyed working with people to a certain extent. I am sure that she used her flirting skills to get a few good tips, too. ;)

I would have to say that I can identify with Lindsey in a way. I worked for a financial institution about 10 years ago. I only worked part time to make a few extra bucks and I was very good at what I did. Well, the manager of that branch could not find anything wrong with my job performance so she told me that 'I needed to talk and get more friendly with the customers". I was like :excuse me?" What would you like me to do?" Have dinner with them?
It was crazy. You are not supposed to talk too much and carry on a conversion at a bank. I never did at any other bank that I worked at before.
She constantly harassed me about it. I really think that she just did not like me because I was good at what I did and everyone else praised me so she needed to find away to make me feel bad.
Well, it did hurt and I left. I found a much better job (where I work now) a few months later and that bank ended up getting swallowed up by another larger bank. :thumbsup: I don't know what happened to that beyotch but I hope that they got rid of her!

Ok that's enough of my story, now. :laugh:

[amber]

Well, he IS soft spoken and not a smooth talker. He was smart to leave especially since it was such a scam!
Lindsey seems a bit anti-social and he did not seem to have marketable skills so really what was he going to do?

As for Stevie working I think that she would have been bored staying at home. She seems to be social and probably enjoyed working with people to a certain extent. I am sure that she used her flirting skills to get a few good tips, too. ;)

I would have to say that I can identify with Lindsey in a way. I worked for a financial institution about 10 years ago. I only worked part time to make a few extra bucks and I was very good at what I did. Well, the manager of that branch could not find anything wrong with my job performance so she told me that 'I needed to talk and get more friendly with the customers". I was like :excuse me?" What would you like me to do?" Have dinner with them?
It was crazy. You are not supposed to talk too much and carry on a conversion at a bank. I never did at any other bank that I worked at before.
She constantly harassed me about it. I really think that she just did not like me because I was good at what I did and everyone else praised me so she needed to find away to make me feel bad.
Well, it did hurt and I left. I found a much better job (where I work now) a few months later and that bank ended up getting swallowed up by another larger bank. :thumbsup: I don't know what happened to that beyotch but I hope that they got rid of her!

Ok that's enough of my story, now. :laugh:
I like that story! :wavey:

[kara]

That was the only job he ever had and he's traumatized??? Poor thing NOT!!!!! He should consider himself lucky because Stevie always provided for him while he worked on his music. And I for one am very proud of her because she never bitched about that (not to my knowledge anyway). Many women would have said:"I took care of him and all he did was smoking dope or getting drunk". She always said that she knew he was a genius.
I know this thread is old, but I was just on here looking around. I have to say that you are right. Stevie has always said that she was happy with him practicing his guitar. From what I've read & watched in interviews, she said that she got sick a lot in that time as well, but she never held it against Lindsey.

[elle]

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Originally Posted by The Catdancer
she never bitched about that (not to my knowledge anyway). Many women would have said:"I took care of him and all he did was smoking dope or getting drunk". She always said that she knew he was a genius.


lol. i'm hoping Catdancer was speaking tongue-in-cheek because that's exactly what Stevie said may times, just it was "smoking dope and playing guitar". :laugh: i don't think she really bitched about it, but she did say it, over and over again. :)

but then it turned out he was actually doing guitar gigs, painting, and who knows what else. :shrug:

[kara]

And whose aunt (that he didn't even know) left him and his brothers each $10,000 when she died. Which back then was a lot of potatoes (and still is today quite a bit of potatoes!) :nod: Tough life.... :p

-Lis


How do you know about his aunt? That's interesting.

[elle]

How do you know about his aunt? That's interesting.

yeah, he used that money to buy recording equipment for BN. i'm sure someone will have some quotes / references... i don''t remember whether it was an aunt but the story goes he got this unexpected inheritance that helped him to get started towards his producing endeavors.

[michelej1]

lol. i'm hoping Catdancer was speaking tongue-in-cheek because that's exactly what Stevie said may times, just it was "smoking dope and playing guitar". :laugh: i don't think she really bitched about it, but she did say it, over and over again. :)

but then it turned out he was actually doing guitar gigs, painting, and who knows what else. :shrug:

We know he toured with Waddy and Warren and was making a little money as a player then (and that's why they were in Aspen when Stevie wrote Landslide, they were staying at a friend's house, because Lindsey was on the road). In that Warren Zevon book a guy said that when Lindsey told him that he'd been asked to join Fleetwood Mac, the guy said, "Why would you want to do that? When you're making $400 a week now?"

Plus, Stevie has said that when she left Lindsey and went back up north, she ran out of money and had to come back and eat humble pie to move back in with him. So, he and Richard were obviously paying the rent somehow in her absence.

And he told Charlie Rose that the money he inherited lasted them a little while, so he didn't spend the whole 10K on music equipment. I think he had money dribbling in, even if he didn't have a consistent job like Stevie did.

Michele

[michelej1]

Here's the excerpt from the Warren Zevon book I was talking about.

Eddie Ponder said:

We were booked into the Cellar Door for two weeks. The first day we had a sound check and Lindsey and I decided to walk a few blocks down the street to get something to eat. We were just going to hang out in the dressing room until showtime. drinking those big cans of Foster's. While we're walking down the street, Lindsey says, "I just got a call from Fleetwood Mac and they want me to join their band." I said, "Lindsey are you out of your mind? You're making four hundred and fifty dollars a week, we've got all your expenses paid, you're working with stars. Why would you want to do that?"

[bombaysaffires]

We know he toured with Waddy and Warren and was making a little money as a player then (and that's why they were in Aspen when Stevie wrote Landslide, they were staying at a friend's house, because Lindsey was on the road).

Michele

and he toured with the Everly Brothers... as a bass player.

I believe they were in Aspen relative to the Everlys tour. I have Stevie talking about it on tape somewhere...

[michelej1]

and he toured with the Everly Brothers... as a bass player.

I believe they were in Aspen relative to the Everlys tour. I have Stevie talking about it on tape somewhere...

Yes. Stevie said that the way she harmonized she felt she was an original Everly Brother and she didn't understand why she wasn't on tour too. Based on the Zevon book I think the Aspen house belonged to the Zevon family. Michele

[shackin'up]

Based on the Zevon book I think the Aspen house belonged to the Zevon family. Michele

Sorry, off topic.... but THAT was a smashing honest and brilliantly written book about an artist, don't you think? I ate it.

[michelej1]

Sorry, off topic.... but THAT was a smashing honest and brilliantly written book about an artist, don't you think? I ate it.

I thought it was very good. Truthful, brutal sometimes. Before he died Zevon and his kids (saw them on Letterman) were being very honest about his life, his artistry and career achievements, along with his personal failings, when they were promoting Enjoy Every Sandwich. They weren't glossing over anything.

Michele