OMG what were they thinking?!?!?!?!

[77Rumours77]

I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

[strandinthewind]

I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

I was there - it ROCKED :nod: LB seemed not to happy with it at the end of it though. I thought it should have stayed. Alas, they never asked me :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

If you saw Lindsey's reaction to the song, you'd know why. He clearly, for whatever reason was not happy with it or playing it, IMO.

[The Tower]

Doesn't surprise me at all. With all the key changing going on to accommodate Stevie's zippo range, why even bother? "Don't Let Me Down Again" was severly lowered, "Running Through the Garden" was dropped a whole step and "Destiny Rules" was raised a whole step or so.

Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

[strandinthewind]

Doesn't surprise me at all. With all the key changing going on to accommodate Stevie's zippo range, why even bother? "Don't Let Me Down Again" was severly lowered, "Running Through the Garden" was dropped a whole step and "Destiny Rules" was raised a whole step or so.

Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

There you go again :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[dissention]

Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

I know you're a nice guy, but don't be too generous. That estimation of yours is bit much. ;)

[David]

"Don't Let Me Down Again" was severly loweredFleetwood Mac used to play it in A. What key did they drop it to last year?

[estranged4life]

If you saw Lindsey's reaction to the song, you'd know why. He clearly, for whatever reason was not happy with it or playing it, IMO.

the DVD-R of this concert shows his disdain for the song...They looked rather bored as they played.

Brian "How many @#$%^& sisters do I frikkin' have? :mad: " j.

[The Tower]

There you go again :laugh:
:p Well, it is my biggest Stevie pet-peeve after all :p

I know you're a nice guy, but don't be too generous. That estimation of yours is bit much. ;)
Yeah, I just heard another live bootleg of "Rhiannon" from 2004 SYW tour and it was just miserable. I'll never for the life of me figure out how that woman gets up the nerve to go on stage and croak out the end of that song these days.... UGH.

Fleetwood Mac used to play it in A. What key did they drop it to last year?
It is LOW. I'll get out my guitar tonight and figure it out.

[dissention]

Yeah, I just heard another live bootleg of "Rhiannon" from 2004 SYW tour and it was just miserable. I'll never for the life of me figure out how that woman gets up the nerve to go on stage and croak out the end of that song these days.... UGH.

Those are pretty miserable, but nowhere near as torturous as Say You Will live. I feel like crawling under a rock when I hear it. It's especially bad on Live In Boston, christ.

[Serrart]

Yeah, I just heard another live bootleg of "Rhiannon" from 2004 SYW tour and it was just miserable. I'll never for the life of me figure out how that woman gets up the nerve to go on stage and croak out the end of that song these days.... UGH.

Those are pretty miserable, but nowhere near as torturous as Say You Will live. I feel like crawling under a rock when I hear it. It's especially bad on Live In Boston, christ.

''The weird sisters, hand in hand,
Posters of the sea and land,
Thus do go about, about:
Thrice to thine and thrice to mine
And thrice again, to make up nine.
Peace! the charm's wound up..."

But you miss a sister... ;)

Romy

[Kelly]

I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

[strandinthewind]

I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

Don't take the bait!!!!!! :cool:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I dunno why they added it in the first place....:shrug:


I would have prefered Monday Morning in it's place.

[strandinthewind]

I dunno why they added it in the first place....:shrug:


I would have prefered Monday Morning in it's place.

They rehearsed it - but chose not to - maybe because CM was not there. I LOVE Monday Morning and wish they would open with it.

[ontheEdgeof17]

They rehearsed it - but chose not to - maybe because CM was not there. I LOVE Monday Morning and wish they would open with it.


I know they rehearsed it. They said it didn't have a "place" in the set. Whatever that means.... :lol: They don't know how to switch stuff around in order to fit in a new song.


"Hrmm....Let's just drop Gypsy and put Sara in it's place....Come into Sara....sounds good!" GOOD GRIEF!

[The Tower]

I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

Lindsey may not have been disgusted by it, but I certainly wasn't impressed.

Yeah, she definitely should pack "Rhiannon" in. "Beautiful Child" was fantastic, but she's kidding herself if she thinks she can do justice to "Rhiannon" anymore.

[henryscutter]

Ya maybe Stevie could put a little more effort into some of those songs night after night, but compared to Lindsey's singing she sounds awesome. Your letting him off pretty easy. Most of the boots I've heard he is singing way off. Stevie sounds great when she is singing harmony, so DLMD was probably dropped because Lindsey is a moody diva :laugh: :shocked:

[MikeVielhaber]

I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

I take it that you wish it would not have been dropped from the set list

[strandinthewind]

Ya maybe Stevie could put a little more effort into some of those songs night after night, but compared to Lindsey's singing she sounds awesome. Your letting him off pretty easy. Most of the boots I've heard he is singing way off. Stevie sounds great when she is singing harmony, so DLMD was probably dropped because Lindsey is a moody diva :laugh: :shocked:

I LOVE CARNIVALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[henryscutter]

I LOVE CARNIVALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:wavey: oh ya, I'm addicted to it. It gets more interesting every week :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

:wavey: oh ya, I'm addicted to it. It gets more interesting every week :thumbsup:

The Clan thing is a little silly - but I love it. I wait VERY impatiently for Sundays!!!!! :cool:

[The Tower]

Fleetwood Mac used to play it in A. What key did they drop it to last year?

They lowered it to the key of E ...... :eek:

What on earth were they thinking??

[strandinthewind]

They lowered it to the key of E ...... :eek:

What on earth were they thinking??

Did you notice the less prominent guitar playing out of key - or is that must my imagination :eek:

[The Tower]

Did you notice the less prominent guitar playing out of key - or is that must my imagination :eek:

It wasn't as zesty. What I don't think they realized is that by lowering the key it had the audial illusion of dragging the song down. Ya know- like in the old days when you would take a 45rpm single and click the speed control down to 33rpm.

Add to that the listless vocals dragging it down even further and you've got a receipe for disaster. One of the main reasons that song kicked ass to begin with was the fact that both Lindsey and Stevie were wailing the lead and high harmony. I dunno.... Some impartial party needs to get in on those rehearsal sessions and kick some ass and sense into their heads when they decide to do these things.

[strandinthewind]

It wasn't as zesty. What I don't think they realized is that by lowering the key it had the audial illusion of dragging the song down. Ya know- like in the old days when you would take a 45rpm single and click the speed control down to 33rpm.

Add to that the listless vocals dragging it down even further and you've got a receipe for disaster. One of the main reasons that song kicked ass to begin with was the fact that both Lindsey and Stevie were wailing the lead and high harmony. I dunno.... Some impartial party needs to get in on those rehearsal sessions and kick some ass and sense into their heads when they decide to do these things.

I was their and saw it live. The "defect" you bring up was very apparent - though I enjoyed hearing the song for the novelty of it.

I think they could keep the key perhaps if they returned it to its original speed. But higher and faster is ALWAYS better in this kind of thing :cool:

[David]

Did you notice the less prominent guitar playing out of key - or is that must my imagination :eek:From A to E is a helluva drop. Did Lindsey continue to play the song in A & just rely on artificial means to drop the tuning, or did he actually play it in E?

That could be why they dropped it. He's been playing the song for thirty years in A, tries to learn it in E in order to accommodate older vocals (his & Stevie's), & just can't get it to hang in the new key. That happens a lot with people who learn a song all over in a different key. Fingering changes, hand position changes, attack changes, etc. And then you've got your memory problems -- halfway through the song in the new key, your fingers "remember" a lick from the old key & inadvertently insert it. It's a bitch.

Of course, pianists using electronic or digital boards don't have this problem owing to the magical little transpose button.

[strandinthewind]

From A to E is a helluva drop. Did Lindsey continue to play the song in A & just rely on artificial means to drop the tuning, or did he actually play it in E?

That could be why they dropped it. He's been playing the song for thirty years in A, tries to learn it in E in order to accommodate older vocals (his & Stevie's), & just can't get it to hang in the new key. That happens a lot with people who learn a song all over in a different key. Fingering changes, hand position changes, attack changes, etc. And then you've got your memory problems -- halfway through the song in the new key, your fingers "remember" a lick from the old key & inadvertently insert it. It's a bitch.

Of course, pianists using electronic or digital boards don't have this problem owing to the magical little transpose button.

It sounded like they played it in the lower key throughout - though I am no expert on keys by any means. He looked positively pissed after it and many noticed it. To be fair, that night in Madison had previous guitar malfunctions that stopped the show twice - so maybe during the song, he realized his guitar or someone else's was out of tune. One of them sure sounded out of tune to me, but that could be the effect Tower referred to earlier. Having said all of that :laugh: - it was way cool to hear it and I wish they would have kept it in the set.

[gldstwmn]

Some impartial party needs to get in on those rehearsal sessions and kick some ass and sense into their heads when they decide to do these things.

When we talked with Ray Lindsey in Madison, he didn't seem too thrilled that he would be up on stage playing DLMDA. In fact, he seemed a bit mystified by it. So maybe someone did try to tell them but to no avail. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

It sounded like they played it in the lower key throughout - though I am no expert on keys by any means. He looked positively pissed after it and many noticed it. To be fair, that night in Madison had previous guitar malfunctions that stopped the show twice - so maybe during the song, he realized his guitar or someone else's was out of tune. One of them sure sounded out of tune to me, but that could be the effect Tower referred to earlier. Having said all of that :laugh: - it was way cool to hear it and I wish they would have kept it in the set.

Not to be mean but at one point it sounded like Mick was off time as well.

[Gazza]

Have Stevie or Lindsey ever taken singing lessons? Because both seem to have done a lot of damage to their voices over the years.

I'm a Lindsey fan, but some people are being a bit harsh on Stevie's vocals here. It's not like Lindseys voice is what it was either.

But I suppose the real difference to me is that what Lindsey lacks in his vocals he makes up by playing some of the most angry guitar he's ever played. Stevie still has a great presence, but she does seem rather bored at times.

I think what they need to do is sleep with each other one more time. :angel:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I think what they need to do is sleep with each other one more time. :angel:

:lol: :laugh:

It always seems to heal my voice, if I can get you in my pants....

[strandinthewind]

:lol: :laugh:

It always seems to heal my voice, if I can get you in my pants....

:] :] :] :] :] :]


and yes Goldie - Mick seemed off as well. The song did not go over that well, though I liked it :cool:

[Highway Woman]

They rehearsed it - but chose not to - maybe because CM was not there.

If Chris's absense affected the songs they chose, you'd think they would've dropped World Turning.

[strandinthewind]

If Chris's absense affected the songs they chose, you'd think they would've dropped World Turning.

true - but you never know with these people :laugh: Plus, there is NO WAY Mick will EVER miss a chance to have the vesturbation - much to my chagrain :laugh: - esp. considering another song could be played during that ten minute bathroom break :laugh:

[estranged4life]

true - but you never know with these people :laugh: Plus, there is NO WAY Mick will EVER miss a chance to have the vesturbation - much to my chagrain :laugh: - esp. considering another song could be played during that ten minute bathroom break :laugh:

ya could play 2-3 songs in the time it takes Mick to just vestubate...Drop the solo and add more songs :nod:

[diamondsnake]

I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:
That is harsh, and yes Stevie sounds more then romotely decent on most things. In my opinion, everything. If you want real bad listen to Lindsey Buckingham on everything (sans Say Goodbye) from the Say You Will tour. Stevie sounded amazing on Beautiful Child, Say Goodbye, Goodbye Baby, Sara, Landslide, Stand Back (which was the highlight at all the shows I went to). Most people argue that Rhiannon sucked this tour but when I listen to the LIB Rhiannon I think it is amazing... the last minute of that song is more passionate then anything else on the DVD, IMHO.

[Gazza]

:lol: :laugh:

It always seems to heal my voice, if I can get you in my pants....

Exactly. And if Lindsey is worried about his wife he can justify it by telling her that it's all for the sake of the music, or just give her the everything happens in cycles speech.

[ontheEdgeof17]

That is harsh, and yes Stevie sounds more then romotely decent on most things. In my opinion, everything. If you want real bad listen to Lindsey Buckingham on everything (sans Say Goodbye) from the Say You Will tour. Stevie sounded amazing on Beautiful Child, Say Goodbye, Goodbye Baby, Sara, Landslide, Stand Back (which was the highlight at all the shows I went to). Most people argue that Rhiannon sucked this tour but when I listen to the LIB Rhiannon I think it is amazing... the last minute of that song is more passionate then anything else on the DVD, IMHO.


I know that Kelly loves Stevie dearly. I think her post was meant to be sarcastic. :o

[diamondsnake]

I know that Kelly loves Stevie dearly. I think her post was meant to be sarcastic. :o

Oops! Well, then Kelly... sorry and my post is for anyone that actually does beleive Stevie is no longer talented. The four shows I saw on the SYW tour were the best four nights of my life and it is all because of Stevie.

[tynan88]

Is it just me or do other people not really care about the key a song is in? I'm not in to the technical details, just the basics. The only bad Stevie performance I have ever heard was the tape from the show she did with Sheryl Crow and she was drunk and couldn't remember words, and even that was at least entertaining.

[henryscutter]

Is it just me or do other people not really care about the key a song is in? I'm not in to the technical details, just the basics. The only bad Stevie performance I have ever heard was the tape from the show she did with Sheryl Crow and she was drunk and couldn't remember words, and even that was at least entertaining.

I don't remember hearing about that performance. What show and song was it?

[Kelly]

Thanks Curt! Yup, it was the "croaking her way through Rhiannon" that tossed me over the edge. I can accept Stevie's faults and she has many..but honestly some people never have anything positive to say about her.

[The Tower]

Thanks Curt! Yup, it was the "croaking her way through Rhiannon" that tossed me over the edge. I can accept Stevie's faults and she has many..but honestly some people never have anything positive to say about her.

I have tons of positive things to say about Stevie. However, I'm not just going to sit around, be a sycophant and say, "Oh, Stevie, everything you do is fantabuloussssss!!!!".

I stand by my "croak" comment with regard to the end of "Rhiannon" from the SYW tour. Just plain awful.

"Beautiful Child" on the other hand, brought me to tears- it was that good. :nod:

[wondergirl9847]

If you want real bad listen to Lindsey Buckingham on everything (sans Say Goodbye) from the Say You Will tour.


I did listen to Lindsey when I was standing on the front row in London. While listening to him sing Say Goodbye, I had my fingers in my ears to drown out the crowd noise, so I could hear him better, and his voice was flawless. Perfection. Sure, he may have had bad nights where his voice was tired, but so did Stevie. It was a looooooooong tour.

[Kelly]

I do not run around endlessly posting about how fabulous Stevie is.
I am positive there are some around here who would say she ruined Beautiful Child on this recent tour too...as it didn't sound exactly like it did on Tusk. I thought it was breathtaking but you know others will say it sucked just because it's Stevie.

[GypsySorcerer]

"Beautiful Child" on the other hand, brought me to tears- it was that good. :nod:

:nod: "Beautiful Child" was her crowning achievement this time around. :)

[wondergirl9847]

Beautiful Child is my favorite Tusk song and one of my favorite songs of all time. I was ecstatic to hear it on the tour. I'm hoping and praying for Storms to be done on the next one.

I do wish she would have done BC back in the day with her higher voice, but ah well. :(

[ontheEdgeof17]

:nod: "Beautiful Child" was her crowning achievement this time around. :)


....but do you think it will make another tour?

[strandinthewind]

it had its own Timespace :wavey:

[cliffdweller]

It's not like Lindseys voice is what it was either.

Ya know, I like Lindsey's voice better now . I think it's dropped to a deeper register and I like it much more than the nasal, tinny, high pitchedness in the earlier songs.

[cliffdweller]

:nod: "Beautiful Child" was her crowning achievement this time around. :)

I agree. It was the best sounding song of hers on LIB. It was one of the only ones that didn't sound strained.

[Gazza]

Ya know, I like Lindsey's voice better now . I think it's dropped to a deeper register and I like it much more than the nasal, tinny, high pitchedness in the earlier songs.

I think for live performances his voice was great on the Out Of Cradle Tour

[The Tower]

I do wish she would have done BC back in the day with her higher voice, but ah well. :(

I was really, really impressed that she kept "Beautiful Child" in its original key. Even though her voice is now in a lower register, I still think she really pulled off a triumph on that song.

[amber]

I was really, really impressed that she kept "Beautiful Child" in its original key. Even though her voice is now in a lower register, I still think she really pulled off a triumph on that song.
I thought it was the big triumph of the show. It's not my very favorite song (though i do like it) but it was just spellbinding live, to me. Course, Linds's harmonies are a big reason for that, too.

[Serrart]

I was really, really impressed that she kept "Beautiful Child" in its original key. Even though her voice is now in a lower register, I still think she really pulled off a triumph on that song.

I totally agree, she did a masterpiece of that song. it should have been used as a video from LIB.

Romy