Sharpton Calling for Boycott of KFC! WTF?!?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Sharpton Joins With an Animal Rights Group in Calling for a Boycott of KFC
By MELANIE WARNER

he Rev. Al Sharpton will not eat at KFC and he doesn't think you should either.

Starting today, Mr. Sharpton is joining forces with the animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to urge a boycott of KFC, which is owned by Yum Brands of Louisville, Ky. Mr. Sharpton and PETA want the fast food chain to require its chicken suppliers to put in place new standards for the treatment of the 750 million chickens they process for KFC every year in the United States. The rap mogul Russell Simmons is also joining the Sharpton campaign.

"If we give our money to KFC, we're paying for a life of misery for some of God's most helpless creatures," says Mr. Sharpton in an eight-minute video that will be shown outside KFC's around the country.

PETA has been waging a campaign against KFC for two years. The organization was eager to enlist Mr. Sharpton because KFC has many stores in largely black neighborhoods and in late 2003 KFC executives told investors they were making an increased effort to market to blacks.

Mr. Sharpton and PETA are demanding that KFC force its chicken suppliers, like Pilgrim's Pride and Perdue, to give chickens more room in factory barns and to make use of a process that puts birds to sleep with nitrogen before they are killed. They are also asking KFC to stop its suppliers from forcing such rapid, hormone-driven growth that the birds crumple under their own weight.

PETA said that unlike other companies, KFC has been largely unresponsive. "KFC has been by far the most stubborn corporation we have attempted to work with," said PETA's president, Ingrid Newkirk, in a written statement.

Yum Brands, which also own Taco Bell and Pizza Hut, declined to comment on PETA's demands and allegations. "PETA is an organization more interested in promoting vegetarianism than the truth," a spokesman, Jonathan Blum, said.

PETA recently won a concession from McDonald's, which said it would study the possibility of requiring American suppliers to use the process of so-called controlled-atmosphere killing.

Several years ago, in response to PETA's "Unhappy Meal" campaign, McDonald's, which buys one of every 20 eggs sold in America, agreed to buy eggs only from farms offering hens extra water, more wing room in their cages and fresh air.

PETA says it has chosen to shed light on the chicken industry in recent years because large chicken producers and sellers have made little movement toward more humane practices. "The chicken industry is way behind the beef and pork industries," said Dr. Temple Grandin, associate professor of animal science at Colorado State University and a member of Yum Brands' animal welfare advisory council. "They need to work on getting some of the same auditing systems in place."

Animal welfare specialists like Dr. Grandin agree with PETA that the short lives of chickens need to be improved. Dr. Grandin said that as many as 6 percent of birds suffer broken wings or legs when workers pack them into crates and onto trucks.

"A lot of workers aren't adequately trained," said Dr. Mohan Raj, a senior research fellow at the University of Bristol in Britain and a veterinarian who has studied chicken welfare practices in the United States.

Animal rights activists are hardly KFC's only problem. In recent years, the company has been the financial stepchild at Yum Brands. Last year KFC's same-store sales were down 2 percent; sales increased at Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.

:rolleyes: ***In an addendum to the video, Sharpton added that he's still cool with pork rinds and chitlins.... ***

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Why are you saying "WTF?" :confused: KFC is disgusting.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

'WTF' at what? Why are you outraged?

Somehow I knew I was going to get this response from you guys...

Whats next then...watermelons?!?

And I love how Sharpton still is "cool" with chitlins and pork rinds. If you are going to take a side...don't do it "half-way"

[amber]

Somehow I knew I was going to get this response from you guys...

Whats next then...watermelons?!?

And I love how Sharpton still is "cool" with chitlins and pork rinds. If you are going to take a side...don't do it "half-way"
This is why he is not against those things: "The chicken industry is way behind the beef and pork industries,"

[dissention]

Somehow I knew I was going to get this response from you guys...

Whats next then...watermelons?!?

And I love how Sharpton still is "cool" with chitlins and pork rinds. If you are going to take a side...don't do it "half-way"

Are you insane? Do we torture and brutalize watermelons like we do living and breathing chickens?

And I doubt you've even watched the videos of what REALLY goes on in these chicken slaughterhouses.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I can't help it... I do love KFC chicken burgers! Yum!

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I can't help it... I do love KFC chicken burgers! Yum!

Be sure to watch exactly what they do to the poor chickens you're eating.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=sharpton_long

[dissention]

Actually I don't know why I bothered because this is the key statement and the reason for your posting the article and your little "WTF". And then to act as if we're tiresome because we reacted that way, obviously a tactic used to pretend you weren't hanging out for an argument.

He also presented false information by claiming there is an addendum to the video in which Sharpton says he's still cool with pork rinds and chitlins. There is no such thing.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Be sure to watch exactly what they do to the poor chickens you're eating.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=sharpton_long
I know all about it. Can't help that I still find them delicious!

[dissention]

I know all about it. Can't help that I still find them delicious!

I just hope you don't buy them, dear. :xoxo:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I just hope you don't buy them, dear. :xoxo:
I can't remember the last time I had one! We usually go to Burger King or pizza hut. MInd you I don't eat much fast food at all now

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Be sure to watch exactly what they do to the poor chickens you're eating.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=sharpton_long

For GOD sakes they are chickens not human beings. They are hear for well food...either eggs or meat. Like it or not, whatever...its a "brutal" honest fact. They are hear to provide food. Although I do support more sanitary ways of going about killing the chickens...sorry...but that DO have to be killed...in some form or another. Do you think they just magically appear in the box all nice, cooked, and brown?

[gldstwmn]

Good for Reverand Al. :thumbsup: He's throwing it down, as usual.

[estranged4life]

KFC (Kentucky F**kin' Chicken...Food Poisonin' at it's finest, What did ya expect from the "Colonel and his wee beady eyes and his smug look 'of your gonna like my chicken...") or Rev.Al "Never will be as important as MLK" Sharpton...I think KFC (Keep F**ckin Chuckin'-it-up) wins out!

[dissention]

For GOD sakes they are chickens not human beings. They are hear for well food...either eggs or meat. Like it or not, whatever...its a "brutal" honest fact. They are hear to provide food. Although I do support more sanitary ways of going about killing the chickens...sorry...but that DO have to be killed...in some form or another. Do you think they just magically appear in the box all nice, cooked, and brown?

When all other arguments fail, just say they're only animals and not human beings. :thumbsup:

[SuzeQuze]

Oh even better. Using fabrication to ignite a fued just for the pleasure of watching it explode.

Hannity and Coulter would truly be proud. :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

When all other arguments fail, just say they're only animals and not human beings. :thumbsup:

Yeah, the chickens are brutalized, I won't ever eat there. I commend the Rev for speaking out, rock on with your bad self RAS!!!

[chiliD]

For GOD sakes they are chickens not human beings. They are hear for well food...either eggs or meat. Like it or not, whatever...its a "brutal" honest fact. They are hear to provide food. Although I do support more sanitary ways of going about killing the chickens...sorry...but that DO have to be killed...in some form or another. Do you think they just magically appear in the box all nice, cooked, and brown?

May you be reincarnated as a KFC chicken, you heartless bastard.

[heyjupiter678]

He also presented false information by claiming there is an addendum to the video in which Sharpton says he's still cool with pork rinds and chitlins. There is no such thing. That along with the watermelon remark was pretty damn offensive.

[dissention]

That along with the watermelon remark was pretty damn offensive.

Tell me about it. I'm surprised there was no mention of ribs. :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

May you be reincarnated as a KFC chicken, you heartless bastard.

:laugh:

Resort to the name calling. Gee isn't there mod's here AT ALL? I guess all poster bashing is allowed...oh well. Say what you will...but calling me a bastard isn't going to change the fact that chickens are killed and consumed by the majority of the world, every single day.

And as far as reincarnation...ha! :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That along with the watermelon remark was pretty damn offensive.

When someone pisses in the wrong direction it offends you people. But boy do you guys get to say offensive stuff at free will...and LAUGH about it.

Hey stop calling the kettle black!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yeah, the chickens are brutalized, I won't ever eat there. I commend the Rev for speaking out, rock on with your bad self RAS!!!

There is so much untruth in that video it isn't even funny. The beak removal looks like old video. I don't think they do that anymore. If you notice, the video of the cramped chickens is taken from above with out a view of the whole house. Chickens will bunch up when you walk towards them. The birds will become crippled if they are not slaughtered befoe a certain point, but they are slaughered before they reach that point. They do not leave the dead bodies in with the live ones.

PETA's main goal is not to get everyone to ban KFC but to become vegitarians...period! Its been their goal since they were formed.

[dissention]

There is so much untruth in that video it isn't even funny. The beak removal looks like old video. I don't think they do that anymore. If you notice, the video of the cramped chickens is taken from above with out a view of the whole house. Chickens will bunch up when you walk towards them. The birds will become crippled if they are not slaughtered befoe a certain point, but they are slaughered before they reach that point. They do not leave the dead bodies in with the live ones.

PETA's main goal is not to get everyone to ban KFC but to become vegitarians...period! Its been their goal since they were formed.

OMG. I'm a PETA member and you have no clue what you're even talking about. What a load of **** and you know it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

OMG. I'm a PETA member and you have no clue what you're even talking about. What a load of **** and you know it.

Ok..PETA is the same people who boycotted "The Passion of The Christ" because it involves the slaughter of cows...oh now wait...there are no animals in it...so why did they boycot it? What possible motive did they have.

Frankly, I could care less if you are a memeber of PETA...glad you got that memebership card. And who are you to say I don't have a "clue" what I'm talking about...anyone can make anything "seem" one way, when it really is another.

The load of ****, my friend, is coming from your mouth...not mine!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

OMG. I'm a PETA member and you have no clue what you're even talking about. What a load of **** and you know it.

I also LOVE how he uses race baiting in the PETA video...WHAT THE HELL does not eating KFC have to do with being black...yea great Sharpton make it a race issue, just like you do everything else...what a ego-maniacal biggot!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

OMG. I'm a PETA member and you have no clue what you're even talking about. What a load of **** and you know it.

But I do agree with you about the cases of animal curelty that does go on (Not as much as PETA would have you believe.) It should be stopped. Animals do require respect...but I mean you do realize that these chickens are going to be killed right? So how do you purpose that they do that?!?

[dissention]

Ok..PETA is the same people who boycotted "The Passion of The Christ" because it involves the slaughter of cows...oh now wait...there are no animals in it...so why did they boycot it? What possible motive did they have.

PETA never boycotted The Passion of the Christ, I don't know where you're getting you misinformation.

Frankly, I could care less if you are a memeber of PETA...glad you got that memebership card. And who are you to say I don't have a "clue" what I'm talking about...anyone can make anything "seem" one way, when it really is another.

The load of ****, my friend, is coming from your mouth...not mine!

Gimme a break, your lips are brown by this point.

The torture and abuse perpetrated against chickens by KFC and their suppliers is incredibly well-documented. To dismiss any of it is not only idiotic, but signs of a truly delusional person. More than half of the footage that has been shot of these slaughterhouses have been hidden cameras, fully showing how treacherous and cruel these people are in their treatment of these poor animals. You, my friend, have no heart.

[Hawkeye]

we had this freaking discussion literally just a week ago.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

PETA never boycotted The Passion of the Christ, I don't know where you're getting you misinformation.



Gimme a break, your lips are brown by this point.

The torture and abuse perpetrated against chickens by KFC and their suppliers is incredibly well-documented. To dismiss any of it is not only idiotic, but signs of a truly delusional person. More than half of the footage that has been shot of these slaughterhouses have been hidden cameras, fully showing how treacherous and cruel these people are in their treatment of these poor animals. You, my friend, have no heart.

I'll have to find an article concering PETA and The Passion for you...

I LOVE how you say I have no heart...the irony bells are ringing in my head.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

PETA never boycotted The Passion of the Christ, I don't know where you're getting you misinformation.


A controversial animal rights group recently staged a demonstration featuring a 10-foot-tall "Jesus" model in London at the opening of "The Passion of the Christ" movie, asking film maker and actor Mel Gibson to show "compassion" to animals.

A press release issued by the group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) read that the "Jesus" model would "rise above the crowd at the opening of ‘The Passion of the Christ' to protest the suffering of animals raised and killed for food on ranches like Mel Gibson's in Montana, and to encourage moviegoers to adopt a diet that is respectful of all God's creation."

Also part of the demonstration were "people holding signs reading, ‘For Christ's Sake—Go Veggie!,' ‘Blessed Are the Merciful' and ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill,' as well as activists handing out vegetarian starter kits and leaflets titled ‘Honoring All of God's Creation.'"

A request for comment to Gibson's Icon Productions was not immediately answered.

PETA has also used the same demonstration tactic across the United States at the premieres of "The Passion of the Christ" in San Francisco, Seattle and Washington.

Apparently comparing the suffering experienced by Jesus in His final moments of agony to the suffering endured by animals, the release read that "‘The Passion of the Christ' focuses on Jesus' suffering in the final hours of his life. PETA wants everyone who eats meat to consider that suffering is an everyday reality for cows and other animals on farms and feedlots and, ultimately, in abattoirs. Cows are routinely dehorned and males are castrated without pain relief, deprived of their young and treated as commodities. As whistle blowers and veterinarian inspectors have attested, abattoir workers often resort to scalding, skinning and dismembering fully conscious animals in order to keep production lines moving."

In an e-mail interview, PETA spokesman William Rivas-Rivas said that PETA is neither trying to insult Christians with its message or be in any way blasphemous.

He said, "PETA is demonstrating because we want people to know that eating meat promotes gratuitous cruelty and suffering. We're asking people who oppose violence and injustice to extend their compassion to all God's creatures by adopting a vegetarian diet. More than 25 billion animals are killed for food every year in the United States. Pigs, cows, and chickens are individuals with feelings—they can feel love, happiness, loneliness, and fear, just as dogs, cats, and people do."

Rivas-Rivas added, "What is unsettling is that Christians, who follow the prince of peace, would support cruelty to animals every time they sit down to eat. There is nothing disrespectful about calling people to be more compassionate and merciful. This is Jesus' message. What is disrespectful and heretical is the way God's creatures are treated on factory farms and in slaughterhouses."

Every time Christians sit down to eat they have a choice, Rivas-Rivas said.

"(They can) add to the level of violence, misery, and death in the world, or to attempt to live peacefully with all God's creation. Everyone, especially people of faith should show mercy to the most weak, powerless and vulnerable among us—animals. We believe that Christians should reject all cruelty and violence and go vegetarian," he said.

According to Rivas-Rivas, "The meat industry today treats God's creatures like dirt, rather than God's beloved animals. The meat industries never allow these animals to do anything that is natural to them—they are never able to feel the grass beneath their feet, the sun on their faces, or fresh air. They endure mutilation—chicks have their beaks burned off, cows and pigs are castrated without anesthesia, cows are dehorned and branded, and the list goes on—all without any painkillers. To subject animals to such cruelty, simply for a palate preference, makes a mockery of God by showing such complete contempt for his creatures."


Jeremy Reynalds

Ok so here is the article...guess you're the one who don't know what you're talking about... :rolleyes:

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AOk so here is the article...guess you're the one who don't know what you're talking about... :rolleyes:

Did you actually read what you just posted? Nowhere in it are they boycotting The Passion of the Christ. They're holding a demonstration against Mel Gibson's slaughtering animals at his Montana farm. :shrug:

Being a member of PETA, I think I would have gotten the newsletter asking for us to follow a boycott against the movie. ;)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Did you actually read what you just posted? Nowhere in it are they boycotting The Passion of the Christ. They're holding a demonstration against Mel Gibson's slaughtering animals at his Montana farm. :shrug:

Being a member of PETA, I think I would have gotten the newsletter asking for us to follow a boycott against the movie. ;)

YOU WILL NEVER admitt being wrong will you? NEVER...

I don't even know why I tried....

stupid me.

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YOU WILL NEVER admitt being wrong will you? NEVER...

I don't even know why I tried....

stupid me.

Where in that article (with no link, mind you) is PETA attempting to stage a boycott against The Passion of the Christ? :shrug:

[estranged4life]

OMG. I'm a PETA member and you have no clue what you're even talking about. What a load of **** and you know it.

PETA member just to find out who the beautiful/sexy & quite nude lady was who painted herself head-to-toe like a tiger and placed herself in a cage near the Ford Center to protest the treatment of circus animals by the Ringling Bros/Barnum-Bailey Circus...

Get me her phone # and I will be a HAPPY member for life :blob1: (Don't think the wife would like that though) :nod: :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You just said something along the lines of "they're chickens, not human beings!". That would imply that their treatment isn't required to be above certain standards. You keep inferring that we don't realise they will be slaughtered. Of course we know that, I'm well aware that my meat is in fact dead. Simply because they're going to be slaughtered doesn't mean it's ridiculous to request that they be subjected to a certain level of treatment.

and I agree. If the statements in the video DO happen to be 100% true, then I agree...steps should be made to make it more respectful to the chickens and sanitary.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Where in that article (with no link, mind you) is PETA attempting to stage a boycott against The Passion of the Christ? :shrug:

My God now you want a link...well hold on!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well there's some truth to that but if he's going to admit to being wrong he should atleast attempt it in a case when he is actually wrong. If you read the article you presented, you'd realise that they were not boycotting that film. It was a protest directed at Mel Gibson.

Yes, and by protesting against Mr. Gibson they were infact saying..."hey, if you watch this movie...you are not with us!" So do you think they would have supported folks seeing this film? :confused:

[xdreamsunwindx]

I think he [Sharpton] has a great point. I will never, ever eat there ever again. Meat is murder, etc.

[chiliD]

:laugh:

Resort to the name calling. Gee isn't there mod's here AT ALL? I guess all poster bashing is allowed...

When it is deserved. What rock did YOU crawl out from? Take a hike!

[dissention]

My God now you want a link...well hold on!

I also want a link to the video addendum where Sharpton says he's cool with pork rinds and chitlins, too. :woohoo:

[amber]

I think he has a great point. I will never, ever eat there ever again. Meat is murder, etc.
Me, too. It sucks, cause i occasionally like to get Taco Bell, but...Even though i like it, I definitely think I can "help" eating there. :nod: You know, i'll just eat something else? :) Not that hard, really...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

When it is deserved. What rock did YOU crawl out from? Take a hike!

haha...

oh just shut up please... :rolleyes:

this is only the second post you have ever posted to me..and every single one of them has been an insult...

:)

[DrummerDeanna]

Where in that article (with no link, mind you) is PETA attempting to stage a boycott against The Passion of the Christ? :shrug:


Well I think we've all established that Brwn_eyes has no reading comprehension skills :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well I think we've all established that Brwn_eyes has no reading comprehension skills :nod:

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/04/reynalds032504.htm

http://www.thegreatseparation.com/newsfront/2004/02/peta_protesting.html

I read it and understood it....

GOD...im so sick of this same response that I get everytime

:mad:

They f*ckin protested at the opening of the movie...so don't tell me what they weren't doing it..

SHUT UP!

[dissention]

I read it and understood it....

GOD...im so sick of this same response that I get everytime

:mad:

So, where are they boycotting The Passion of the Christ in that article? :shrug:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Well I think we've all established that Brwn_eyes has no reading comprehension skills :nod:

Ho****. Zing! :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So, where are they boycotting The Passion of the Christ in that article? :shrug:

look again...

[SuzeQuze]

Well I think we've all established that Brwn_eyes has no reading comprehension skills :nod:

I think that's a documented fact, let me see if I can find the link ;)

[DrummerDeanna]

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/04/reynalds032504.htm

http://www.thegreatseparation.com/newsfront/2004/02/peta_protesting.html

I read it and understood it....

GOD...im so sick of this same response that I get everytime

:mad:

They f*ckin protested at the opening of the movie...so don't tell me what they weren't doing it..

SHUT UP!

:laugh: Shut UP? no.

You obviously DON'T understand the things you read - it's so laughable - they way you ALWAYS seem to misconstrue what you read and post......

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: Shut UP? no.

You obviously DON'T understand the things you read - it's so laughable - they way you ALWAYS seem to misconstrue what you read and post......

PETA Protesting At The Passion of Christ Movie Openings.

HOW SIMPLER DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT!

[estranged4life]

Me, too. It sucks, cause i occasionally like to get Taco Bell, but...Even though i like it, I definitely think I can "help" eating there. :nod: You know, i'll just eat something else? :) Not that hard, really...

a Toxic Hell, I mean Taco Bell fan...But too much dog in their meat made my stomach queasy once too often :rolleyes:

Brian "Oh my God...They killed Scooby...you bastards!!!" j.

[dissention]

HOW SIMPLER DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT!

Protesting and boycotting are two very different things. Just as protesting Mel Gibson's treatment of animals is very different from boycotting his Jesus flick.

Really, how simpler does it have to be spelled out? :confused:

[xdreamsunwindx]

HOW SIMPLER DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT!


"How simpler does it have to be spelled out."

English, please.

[DrummerDeanna]

HOW SIMPLER DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT!

Ugh - PETA Protesting At The Passion of Christ Movie Openings.

AT the movie - not they're protesting THE movie.....seriously - go back to school....wait - you're still in school aren't you?

[DrummerDeanna]

Protesting and boycotting are two very different things. Just as protesting Mel Gibson's treatment of animals is very different from boycotting his Jesus flick.

Really, how simpler does it have to be spelled out? :confused:

"How simpler does it have to be spelled out."

English, please.

:xoxo: you guys rock

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Why do you even post here then? You know you love the arguments. The trouble is that your abilities don't match your enthusiasm and as a display of this very fact you can't recognise the truth in any such accusations.

1. Because I have an opinion
2. I do enjoy political debate
3. I have never claimed to be a political commentator (I sure God hope you don't claim that of yourself.)
4. Why is it that I'm the one who can't "recognize" the truth, and that doesn't apply to you guys ?(and its only a handful of you that always are pathetically rude in your posts towards me.)
5. I'm a FM fan and will continue to post here.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ugh - PETA Protesting At The Passion of Christ Movie Openings.

AT the movie - not they're protesting THE movie.....seriously - go back to school....wait - you're still in school aren't you?

I'm in college.

Ok then why are they protesting at this movie then? Buy protesting against Mel Gibson they in turn protest against the movie...do they not. Do they support people going to see the movie? Would grand ol' PETA support that?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

"How simpler does it have to be spelled out."

English, please.

Sorry about that. my typing and spelling skills aren't the best.

But you don't have to use it to make me look like some kinda fool or something, excuse me for being human and making mistakes.

[dissention]

Ok then why are they protesting at this movie then? Buy protesting against Mel Gibson they in turn protest against the movie...do they not.

No, they do not. They were protesting his treatment of animals, not his ****ty movie.

Do they support people going to see the movie? Would grand ol' PETA support that?

PETA is not a religious group. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

Gee isn't there mod's here AT ALL? I guess all poster bashing is allowed...oh well.

I'm here... but I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to say to you regarding your racist and extremely offense "humour" regarding chitlins, pork rinds and watermelon.
Mr. Sharpton's ethnicity should have absolutely no bearing in this discussion whatsoever, and I'd suggest that your use of such offensive stereotypes damaged any credibility your argument may have had from the outset.

I will, however, ask that EVERYONE on all sides of the debate, refrain from making it personal.

[Hawkeye]

I for one think its great that there is an opposing side for once on the ledge instead of the left vs. the other left :laugh:

[estranged4life]

:xoxo: you guys rock

named "Wimp-Lo" from the greatest Kung-Fu movie EVER "Kung Pow! Enter The Fist":

"I rock...And I roll..."!!!! :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I for one think its great that there is an opposing side for once on the ledge instead of the left vs. the other left :laugh:

I agree, but I'm sort of alone...and Im made out to be an idiot! Whatever, but I wish I had more help...but I just do what I can to the best of my ability...I know I'm not the best political commentator, but I do my best.

[DrummerDeanna]

I had Taco Bell once (we don't have them here, well even if we did that one time would still stand) and ended up in hospital. Not straight away mind you, after a few days the screams of agony drove my mother to *compassion*. A person can only regurgitate so many times before they start choking on their stomach lining.

Taco Hell is heinous - it's a sad horrible excuse for "Mexican food" - I've eaten there once in my life and that was one times too many :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm here... but I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to say to you regarding your racist and extremely offense "humour" regarding chitlins, pork rinds and watermelon.
Mr. Sharpton's ethnicity should have absolutely no bearing in this discussion whatsoever, and I'd suggest that your use of such offensive stereotypes damaged any credibility your argument may have had from the outset.

I will, however, ask that EVERYONE on all sides of the debate, refrain from making it personal.

I guess you didn't watch the video then, because he MAKES IT A RACE ISSUE! I don't understand how, but he always seems to make everything a race issue.

[DrummerDeanna]

I agree, but I'm sort of alone...and Im made out to be an idiot! Whatever, but I wish I had more help...but I just do what I can to the best of my ability...I know I'm not the best political commentator, but I do my best.

Okay - this is why we think that you may have some comprehension problems.

People here have repeatedly pointed out that it's the WAY in which you're arguing that is pissing people off....

Nancy and Alex and other conservatives on here have a way of intelligently discussing (not necessarily arguing) politics and these issues in a way that is not offensive to anyone - you have failed at that- you may want to look at your approach.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, they do not. They were protesting his treatment of animals, not his ****ty movie.



PETA is not a religious group. ;)

I know they are not religous.

I guess I just have a different perseption of what PETA's goal was in the whole issue.

REALLY and TRULY I think the only reason they protested Mr. Gibson and his movie was to jump on the popularity train to get some exposure. :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

named "Wimp-Lo" from the greatest Kung-Fu movie EVER "Kung Pow! Enter The Fist":

"I rock...And I roll..."!!!! :thumbsup:

Is that the one with "toungie"? Ugh. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I for one think its great that there is an opposing side for once on the ledge instead of the left vs. the other left :laugh:

I'm up for any and all debate with "the opposing side," so long as racist and homophobic stereotypes aren't part of their rebuttal.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Okay - this is why we think that you may have some comprehension problems.

People here have repeatedly pointed out that it's the WAY in which you're arguing that is pissing people off....

Nancy and Alex and other conservatives on here have a way of intelligently discussing (not necessarily arguing) politics and these issues in a way that is not offensive to anyone - you have failed at that- you may want to look at your approach.

I'm offensive because I actually respond to the liberal stuff posted on this forum. I don't see much activity from the other conservative posters.

So they do it "intelligently" because they mostly keep quiet...but because I speak out I'm an idiot. WHATEVER?

And speaking of offensive, you guys can be offensive too...but I guess it's ok, cause you guys are all part of the "in crowd"...

Sometimes I do feel I just need to go back to the Christine section and stay where I'm welcomed..but..just can't do it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So? Why not?

Well, if a religous or right wing group were doing that same thing, you would look at it as insane and stupid Im sure. But a totaly useless organization like PETA...its "So? Why not?

:rolleyes:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Sorry about that. my typing and spelling skills aren't the best.

But you don't have to use it to make me look like some kinda fool or something, excuse me for being human and making mistakes.

No, this has nothing to do with grammatical errors. What I meant is that the point you were attempting to prove made no sense.

For GOD sakes they are chickens not human beings. They are hear for well food...either eggs or meat. Like it or not, whatever...its a "brutal" honest fact. They are hear to provide food. Although I do support more sanitary ways of going about killing the chickens...sorry...but that DO have to be killed...in some form or another. Do you think they just magically appear in the box all nice, cooked, and brown?

Ding! Yes, they are chickens. But that does not mean that they are not living things. They may be here for food, but does that mean that they have to be tortured and mutilated before they're killed? That's some ****ed up logic.

PETA's main goal is not to get everyone to ban KFC but to become vegitarians...period! Its been their goal since they were formed.

Uh... no. From PETA's website-

Founded in 1980, PETA is dedicated to establishing and protecting the rights of all animals. PETA operates under the simple principle that animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment.

Yes, they do make the point that they're not pro-meat. But look at the rest of what they said; They're not saying "BECOME A VEGITARIAN!)$*!@)$*!1!!", they're saying that animals deserve humane treatment and respect. You have no idea what they're about.

You can think whatever the hell you want to think, but research before implying this kind of stuff.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, this has nothing to do with grammatical errors. What I meant is that the point you were attempting to prove made no sense.

For GOD sakes they are chickens not human beings. They are hear for well food...either eggs or meat. Like it or not, whatever...its a "brutal" honest fact. They are hear to provide food. Although I do support more sanitary ways of going about killing the chickens...sorry...but that DO have to be killed...in some form or another. Do you think they just magically appear in the box all nice, cooked, and brown?

Ding! Yes, they are chickens. But that does not mean that they are not living things. They may be here for food, but does that mean that they have to be tortured and mutilated before they're killed? That's some ****ed up logic.

PETA's main goal is not to get everyone to ban KFC but to become vegitarians...period! Its been their goal since they were formed.

Uh... no. From PETA's website-

Founded in 1980, PETA is dedicated to establishing and protecting the rights of all animals. PETA operates under the simple principle that animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment.

Yes, they do make the point that they're not pro-meat. But look at the rest of what they said; They're not saying "BECOME A VEGITARIAN!)$*!@)$*!1!!", they're saying that animals deserve humane treatment and respect. You have no idea what they're about.

You can think whatever the hell you want to think, but research before implying this kind of stuff.

Any organization can claim one thing and be totaly different.

[Johnny Stew]

I guess you didn't watch the video then, because he MAKES IT A RACE ISSUE! I don't understand how, but he always seems to make everything a race issue.

He was merely appealing to the sensibilities of "his people." Anytime someone is trying to gain support for their causes, they always appeal to their own community first.

He wasn't making it a "race" issue... he wasn't pitting whites against blacks.
There IS a difference, and, frankly, I think it's a little scary that you can't see the difference.

[amber]

He was merely appealing to the sensibilities of "his people." Anytime someone is trying to gain support for their causes, they always appeal to their own community first.

He wasn't making it a "race" issue... he wasn't pitting whites against blacks.
There IS a difference, and, frankly, I think it's a little scary that you can't see the difference.
I think also Al was responding to the fact that KFC said in their marketing plan that they are going to "target" the AFA community. :nod:

[dissention]

I guess you didn't watch the video then, because he MAKES IT A RACE ISSUE! I don't understand how, but he always seems to make everything a race issue.

Here we go again.

The Yum! company targets their KFC products to African American consumers to an extreme degree. In the past year, the president of the company has said that they are concentrating their efforts on appealing to the black community. Do you not get this?

And even if he was making it a race issue (which he wasn't), making vulgar cracks about pork rinds, chitlins, and watermelons is rather tasteless and obscene. But you're the same person who said that a liberal's motto is "Eat, drink, and kill babies." :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

He was merely appealing to the sensibilities of "his people." Anytime someone is trying to gain support for their causes, they always appeal to their own community first.

He wasn't making it a "race" issue... he wasn't pitting whites against blacks.
There IS a difference, and, frankly, I think it's a little scary that you can't see the difference.

I think its a little scarey...no funny...that you can't realize that by watching that video he is turning a KFC/PETA/Chicken issue into a "black" issue...because more black people like fried chicken? WTH?

[heyjupiter678]

I think also Al was responding to the fact that KFC said in their marketing plan that they are going to "target" the AFA community. :nod: Exactly. KFC made it a "race issue."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Here we go again.

The Yum! company targets their KFC products to African American consumers to an extreme degree. In the past year, the president of the company has said that they are concentrating their efforts on appealing to the black community. Do you not get this?

And even if he was making it a race issue (which he wasn't), making vulgar cracks about pork rinds, chitlins, and watermelons is rather tasteless and obscene. But you're the same person who said that a liberal's motto is "Eat, drink, and kill babies." :rolleyes:

Don't deny the motto...hell, embrase it. Its exactly what liberals stand for...the right to kill a child.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Any organization can claim one thing and be totaly different.

And any person can claim one thing and be totally different.

Animals do require respect...but I mean you do realize that these chickens are going to be killed right? So how do you purpose that they do that?!?

You're saying that animals deserve respect, but then you turn it around and basically say "Who cares about how they're treated if they're gonna be killed anyways." Oh wow.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And any person can claim one thing and be totally different.



You're saying that animals deserve respect, but then you turn it around and basically say "Who cares about how they're treated if they're gonna be killed anyways." Oh wow.

That is not what I said. Stop putting word that you "want" me to say into my mouth.

I said that animals diserve to be treated with respect, period. But still have the understanding that they are going to be killed.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

What is wrong with using the exposure of a popular contributor to the hypocrisy that it is their cause to rectify, in an effort to promote the issue? Their cause should not need to employ such tactics, it should be at or near the forefront regardless but alas, it is not. And so they resort to using the exposure of those popular ones who commit the cruel hypocrisy.

They are trying to compare the death of animals to the death of Christ... :rolleyes:

[Johnny Stew]

Don't deny the motto...hell, embrase it. Its exactly what liberals stand for...the right to kill a child.

Hmm... the conservative party supports the unethical treatment and murder of animals, and they support the death penalty. But I guess it's a good thing you guys found someplace to draw the line.

[amber]

Hmm... the conservative party supports the unethical treatment and murder of animals, and they support the death penalty. But I guess it's a good thing you guys found someplace to draw the line.
Don't forget the war! (killing people) ;)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Hmm... the conservative party supports the unethical treatment and murder of animals, and they support the death penalty. But I guess it's a good thing you guys found someplace to draw the line.

First of all I don't support unethical treatment of animals.

Second of all...yes I do support the death penalty...The punishment has to fit the crime.

[xdreamsunwindx]

That is not what I said. Stop putting word that you "want" me to say into my mouth.

I said that animals diserve to be treated with respect, period. But still have the understanding that they are going to be killed.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth. If I was doing that, I'd be banned for some of the stuff I'd want you to say by now.

And if you think that the animals deserve respect, then why are you getting so worked up because Sharpton thinks a boycott of KFC is a good idea because he feels these chickens are being treated with disrespect? :confused:

[dissention]

Second of all...yes I do support the death penalty...The punishment has to fit the crime.

How Christian of you. I'm sure God would approve. :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Don't forget the war! (killing people) ;)

To grant freedom to millions, to spread democracy, to stop terrorism.

War has solved issues such as slavery, communism, totalitarianism...

no war has never solved anything ;)

It's not fun and it's not a "great" thing...

But sometimes you must fight for freedom.

[amber]

To grant freedom to millions, to spread democracy, to stop terrorism.

War has solved issues such as slavery, communism, totalitarianism...

no war has never solved anything ;)

It's not fun and it's not a "great" thing...

But sometimes you must fight for freedom.
Unfortunately, that's not why Bush started this war. :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

said that animals diserve to be treated with respect, period. But still have the understanding that they are going to be killed.

Ok, let's focus on that then.
You feel that animals deserve respect... good.

That's how PETA feels too.

While the organization believes that, in the best of all possible worlds, animals should not be eaten, PETA understands that people have been eating meat since Cavemen walked this Earth, and that that fact isn't going to change anytime soon.

So, to that end, they concentrate their efforts on making sure these animals are, at the very least, treated humanely, and they work to enlighten people to the fact that animals ARE living creatures ("God's creatures," if you will) and deserve to not be raised in deplorable conditions and killed violently and painfully.

If you truly believe that animals deserve respect, then I'd think you would appreciate what PETA is trying to accomplish.

[DrummerDeanna]

First of all I don't support unethical treatment of animals.

Second of all...yes I do support the death penalty...The punishment has to fit the crime.

I thought you said you were a Catholic....Catholicsm is very much against the death penalty :nod:

It's a brutal and pointless thing - it DOES NOT deter crime - and it cost way more money than simply keeping people on ice for life...:nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How Christian of you. I'm sure God would approve. :D

Well, God forgive me if I'm wrong but I support capitol punishment.

[dissention]

Unfortunately, that's not why Bush started this war. :shrug:

Don't waste your breath. He'll never see that. :wavey:

[heyjupiter678]

That is not what I said. Stop putting word that you "want" me to say into my mouth. Well, PETA doesn't say that its main goal is to get everyone to become vegetarians. But yet you claim to know that it's been their focus since they were formed. :shrug:

[estranged4life]

Is that the one with "toungie"? Ugh. :laugh:

a classic in my eyes....for being complucking stupid, but a funny stupid.

Who else could add an English language track onto the DVD release and have it be English as the way British speak it??? :lol:

[dissention]

Well, God forgive me if I'm wrong but I support capitol punishment.

How Christian of you. :D

Now you have no excuse to use the Bible as a means to deny gays their civil rights. You can't pick and choose from what the good book says, after all.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I thought you said you were a Catholic....Catholicsm is very much against the death penalty :nod:

It's a brutal and pointless thing - it DOES NOT deter crime - and it cost way more money than simply keeping people on ice for life...:nod:

Yes I am Catholic...and the church is not ALWAYS against the death penalty like it is something like abortion.

Capitol punishment is something that I struggle with...but I tend to lean more towards the death penalty.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How Christian of you. :D

Now you have no excuse to use the Bible as a means to deny gays their civil rights. You can't pick and choose from what the good book says, after all.

huh? There is scripture that does support life for a life...no it's not always right...but It's an issue I struggle with...but when I see a murderer like Scott Peterson, it's hard not to support the death penalty

[DrummerDeanna]

Yes I am Catholic...and the church is not ALWAYS against the death penalty like it is something like abortion.

Capitol punishment is something that I struggle with...but I tend to lean more towards the death penalty.

Thou shalt not kill.

[Johnny Stew]

First of all I don't support unethical treatment of animals.

Second of all...yes I do support the death penalty...The punishment has to fit the crime.

But you were quick to write off all liberals as "child killers." ;)

I was being a little sarcastic with my comment, I admit... but I was trying to point out what happens when we define someone by the views of the political party to which they happen to allign themselves.

[amber]

How Christian of you. :D

Now you have no excuse to use the Bible as a means to deny gays their civil rights. You can't pick and choose from what the good book says, after all.
Actually, I've noticed from his previous posts that it is apparently perfectly ok to pick and choose from what the good book says. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Eschewing all logical thought in the process, of course... :shocked:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, PETA doesn't say that its main goal is to get everyone to become vegetarians. But yet you claim to know that it's been their focus since they were formed. :shrug:

Yes, in my opinion, I think that they have a hidden agenda to what they do.

[dissention]

huh? There is scripture that does support life for a life...no it's not always right...but It's an issue I struggle with...but when I see a murderer like Scott Peterson, it's hard not to support the death penalty

Thou shalt not kill. :woohoo:

[chiliD]

haha...

oh just shut up please... :rolleyes:

this is only the second post you have ever posted to me..and every single one of them has been an insult...

:)


Take the advice.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thou shalt not kill.

The original hebrew, translated more correctly into "murder"

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Unfortunately, that's not why Bush started this war. :shrug:

And in your opinion he started the war...why then?

[amber]

Yes, in my opinion, I think that they have a hidden agenda to what they do.
um, their only agenda is to expose the unethical way in which animals are treated, and to provide information on what those things are, and who is doing them. I would hardly call that hidden...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Take the advice.

how about you take mine...

[DrummerDeanna]

The original hebrew, translated more correctly into "murder"

Okay - then thout shalt not murder....the death penalty is murder...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

When I see a case like that I shudder and am thankful I live in a country that progressed passed the middle ages when it comes to crime and punishments.

So what do you propose should happen to our dear Scotty?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Okay - then thout shalt not murder....the death penalty is murder...

Well that's the issue I struggle with? IS it murder, when the person whos life you are taking away has murdered someone else...

I always hear about the "rights" of the prisoner on death row and his "right to live"...what about the one/s he/her murdered...where were their rights, they didn't get a choice.

[Johnny Stew]

The original hebrew, translated more correctly into "murder"

But if we're going to start citing the original Hebrew, then I can remind you that the original Hebrew had NOTHING condemning homosexuality. ;)

Either way, the whole crux of the New Testament is that we are not God and that it is not OUR place to judge someone.
This includes deciding whether or not they deserve to live.

Conservatives and religious groups rail against stem-cell research and cloning because it's "playing God," but the fact of the matter remains that taking someone's life (even if they're a convicted murderer) is ALSO "playing God."
By doing so, YOU are deciding that a person should no longer live -- while the Bible teaches that that is GOD'S decision and God's decision alone.

[chiliD]

how about you take mine...


How about you go to...well, since you're a conservative, you're already there.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How about you go to...well, since you're a conservative, you're already there.

:lol: Ok, you are going on my ignore list, because you don't have anything valid to say just insults because you can't stand an opposing view...such a sheltered world you live in...have fun it it! :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

But if we're going to start citing the original Hebrew, then I can remind you that the original Hebrew had NOTHING condemning homosexuality. ;)

Either way, the whole crux of the New Testament is that we are not God and that it is not OUR place to judge someone.
This includes deciding whether or not they deserve to live.

Conservatives and religious groups rail against stem-cell research and cloning because it's "playing God," but the fact of the matter remains that taking someone's life (even if they're a convicted murderer) is ALSO "playing God."
By doing so, YOU are deciding that a person should no longer live -- while the Bible teaches that that is GOD'S decision and God's decision alone.

And those are very valid points, and again why I struggle with the issue of capital punishment...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh yes, play that card. Just like pro-choice people are actually pro-abortion. Of course I think he should not be murdered.

huh?

I just simply asked you what do you think should happen to Scott?

[DrummerDeanna]

Well that's the issue I struggle with? IS it murder, when the person whos life you are taking away has murdered someone else...

I always hear about the "rights" of the prisoner on death row and his "right to live"...what about the one/s he/her murdered...where were their rights, they didn't get a choice.


well - the prisoner is still a person - and they may not have rights given by government - but they still have God-given rights - such as the right to life - and it is up to no human-being to decide when that person should die :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

well - the prisoner is still a person - and they may not have rights given by government - but they still have God-given rights - such as the right to life - and it is up to no human-being to decide when that person should die :shrug:

Well ok then, if you fully support that, then you have to be fully against abortion too (which I am)...are you? Because If not you are creating a severe double standard.

[DrummerDeanna]

Well ok then, if you fully support that, then you have to be fully against abortion too (which I am)...are you? Because If not you are creating a severe double standard.

No I'm not - because not everyone believes that a fetus is an actual human being - :shrug: some people argue that a fetus is a person at a certain point in gestation - but at the very beginning - that all a matter of opinion...

If you believe that a fetus is a person - then abortion is murder and that is that.

If you do not - then abortion is not murder but a medical procedure. And medical science has not stated matter of fact that a young fetus is a fully-functional and thinking human being - so don't even try that defense...what you believe is not what everyone believes - and no one person's or group of people's belief should be forced upon those who do not believe it...

That is the problem and why no one will ever agree on the abortion issue...

[StevieNicksEO17]

KFC is discusting...Blah

[SuzeQuze]

When I see a case like that I shudder and am thankful I live in a country that progressed passed the middle ages when it comes to crime and punishments.

It bothers me that mine can be so socially retarded!

[Hawkeye]

:lol: Ok, you are going on my ignore list, because you don't have anything valid to say just insults because you can't stand an opposing view...such a sheltered world you live in...have fun it it! :wavey:

Actually there is no one on any Mac board with more valid stuff to say. Putting him on your ignore list would be un wise.

[Johnny Stew]

Actually there is no one on any Mac board with more valid stuff to say. Putting him on your ignore list would be un wise.

I was thinking the same thing.
If you're a Mac fan, then chiliD and David O. would be the last two guys you'd ever want to put on an ignore list. :nod:

[Hawkeye]

OK I'm probably without question the biggest supporter of the death penalty here. How can you watch footage of that Oklahoma City Bombing and not be thrilled that Timothy McVieh got the death penalty. How can you call America retarded for severly punishing almost inhuman criminals. I belive we should use bear pits and have the worst offenders torn apart painfully by hungry grizzly bears.

[chiliD]

:lol: Ok, you are going on my ignore list, because you don't have anything valid to say just insults because you can't stand an opposing view...such a sheltered world you live in...have fun it it! :wavey:

:eek: ooooh, I'm so shattered that you ignore me, I just don't know what I'm going to do now. pffffftt!

"Ignore list": Typical right-wing conservative response. Thin-skin. :lol:

Speaking of "sheltered worlds"...even race horses with blinders on have a larger peripheral vision of the world than you.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I was thinking the same thing.
If you're a Mac fan, then chiliD and David O. would be the last two guys you'd ever want to put on an ignore list. :nod:

Well Im a Chris fan...and I really enjoy David...and he plays keyboards and so do I

Im thinking chiliD is more of a guitar person...so It will be ok. I just don't want to read posts of someone who was that freakin' rude to me.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:eek: ooooh, I'm so shattered that you ignore me, I just don't know what I'm going to do now. pffffftt!

"Ignore list": Typical right-wing conservative response. Thin-skin. :lol:

Speaking of "sheltered worlds"...even race horses with blinders on have a larger peripheral vision of the world than you.

Oh it's a typical "right-wing" response huh?

Hmm...thats funny since most folks hear have put me on their ignore list because they hate to hear a conservative view point...it appears that things are the other way around.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Actually there is no one on any Mac board with more valid stuff to say. Putting him on your ignore list would be un wise.

The most educated and valid things I have ever read on The Ledge have come from David.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You know what you implied when you called him "our dear Scotty". I don't support it in any case but from what I heard he was only found guilty based on circumstance. Maybe that changed and I'm not aware but even if it has, I still don't support the murder.

But Laci and Conner's murder should go unpunished?

[chiliD]

Well Im a Chris fan...and I really enjoy David...and he plays keyboards and so do I

Im thinking chiliD is more of a guitar person...so It will be ok. I just don't want to read posts of someone who was that freakin' rude to me.


Show how LITTLE you know of me. I've been playing keyboards since 1963...5 years longer than I've been playing guitar. :shrug: Oh, well.

Oh, and I notice how you DIDN'T refute the "heartless" comment...only the "bastard". :laugh:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Speaking of "sheltered worlds"...even race horses with blinders on have a larger peripheral vision of the world than you.

Zing!(*$&^*#!@)!!1

+10, Chili. :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Show how LITTLE you know of me. I've been playing keyboards since 1963...5 years longer than I've been playing guitar. :shrug: Oh, well.

Oh, and I notice how you DIDN'T refute the "heartless" comment...only the "bastard". :laugh:

Oh well whatever, You are a rude person I don't care what you play. David isn't.

I don't even know what your talking about "heartless", "bastard" something...yea whatever?!?

[amber]

Life imprisonment is actually considered punishment, surprisingly.
Oh, you spotted the flaw there? :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

I just don't want to read posts of someone who was that freakin' rude to me.

You just posted (and I quote):

so many losers on this forum.

Pot? Meet kettle.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Life imprisonment is actually considered punishment, surprisingly.

Not in this society. The prisoners are treated like kings. If they want to get rid of the death penalty they should make prison an actual punishment.

[dissention]

Zing!(*$&^*#!@)!!1

+10, Chili. :D

+100 for that new avatar, Kate. :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You just posted (and I quote):



Pot? Meet kettle.

I'm just being rude back...hell why not. You guys started it...So I just give up trying to be "nice".

[chiliD]

Oh well whatever, You are a rude person I don't care what you play. David isn't.

I don't even know what your talking about "heartless", "bastard" something...yea whatever?!?

No, I'm NOT a rude person...I only seem to be rude in YOUR eyes. Which doesn't define me as a person in the least...especially considering the source.

[dissention]

I'm just being rude back...hell why not. You guys started it...So I just give up trying to be "nice".

Now you can't complain if anyone is rude to you. :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, I'm NOT a rude person...I only seem to be rude in YOUR eyes. Which doesn't define me as a person in the least...especially considering the source.

Well let's see your rude in my eyes, because every single post that I have gotten from you has been calling me some sorta name.

[DrummerDeanna]

Not in this society. The prisoners are treated like kings. If they want to get rid of the death penalty they should make prison an actual punishment.

Really? You've been in prison then have you?

Life imprisonment is actually a bigger deterent of crime than the death penalty...the death penalty, I think, is actually letting someone off too easily - they should live and fester in prison for the rest of their lives :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Now you can't complain if anyone is rude to you. :D

Very true. But i don't understand why you guys have to be rude about everything. Then It wouldn't make me all defensive and I wouldn't have to say things that I regreat later. :(

[DrummerDeanna]

I'm just being rude back...hell why not. You guys started it...So I just give up trying to be "nice".

But the Bible says to turn the other cheek

and might I add that two wrongs don't make a right...(that can also apply to the death penalty)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Really? You've been in prison then have you?

Life imprisonment is actually a bigger deterent of crime than the death penalty...the death penalty, I think, is actually letting someone off too easily - they should live and fester in prison for the rest of their lives :nod:

I have three family memebers who work in the prison system. I actually have written a paper on this very issue. Prisoners aren't treated like prisoners.

[Hawkeye]

Not in this society. The prisoners are treated like kings. If they want to get rid of the death penalty they should make prison an actual punishment..
.
Have you ever been to a prison. I recently went to one (not as a prisoner :laugh: ) and it might possibly be worse then death. I actually think it's better then the death penalty, but the only reason I still support the DP so much is how could you live with some murderer with a life sentence getting out on great behavior or something. And plus the DP is much more gratifying for the poor victums who should be thought about no the criminals.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

But the Bible says to turn the other cheek

and might I add that two wrongs don't make a right...(that can also apply to the death penalty)

Very true. But you know I'm not perfect. I have feelings that reslut sometime in anger and things that I don't mean to say.

[DrummerDeanna]

I have three family memebers who work in the prison system. I actually have written a paper on this very issue. Prisoners aren't treated like prisoners.

Well I've read several first-hand accounts of prison - and my father was IN prison as well as another one of my family members - they were not employees....and if your perception is that prisoners are treated like Kings - then your either being lied to or looking at minimal security joints....

[Hawkeye]

But the Bible says to turn the other cheek

and might I add that two wrongs don't make a right...(that can also apply to the death penalty)

yeah, but that saying CAN'T be applied to criminals.

[dissention]

Ha, now it's getting comical.

You started it.
We did not!
Yes you did you invaded Poland!

:lol::lol::lol:

[dissention]

Well I've read several first-hand accounts of prison - and my father was IN prison as well as another one of my family members - they were not employees....and if your perception is that prisoners are treated like Kings - then your either being lied to or looking at minimal security joints....

Amen. :xoxo: :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

Really? You've been in prison then have you?

Life imprisonment is actually a bigger deterent of crime than the death penalty...the death penalty, I think, is actually letting someone off too easily - they should live and fester in prison for the rest of their lives :nod:

Right on, sista!

[DrummerDeanna]

Oh I see. So calling us baby killers is a symptom of a defense mechanism worthy of forgiveness. You poor thing. So can we get defensive when you accuse of us such insulting and ludicrous things?


Doesn't it scare you to think of the falsely accused? Isn't it worth it, for their sake, to not employ the death penalty?

Seriously. And several innocent people have been executed...and several people have been exonerated...innocent people would have been killed - it's a heinous system....no one has the right to kill..no one.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well I've read several first-hand accounts of prison - and my father was IN prison as well as another one of my family members - they were not employees....and if your perception is that prisoners are treated like Kings - then your either being lied to or looking at minimal security joints....

That was meant to me a sarcastic remark.

Case and point. Prisoners are not being treated like people convicted of crimes. In most cases they are treated better than you/me and others free on the streets. I have often read of cases where people get arrested on purpose just so they can go to jail, because they know there they will be "taken care of."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh I see. So calling us baby killers is a symptom of a defense mechanism worthy of forgiveness. You poor thing. So can we get defensive when you accuse of us such insulting and ludicrous things?


Doesn't it scare you to think of the falsely accused? Isn't it worth it, for their sake, to not employ the death penalty?

You support abortion don't you...then that is not a ludacris statement...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Seriously. And several innocent people have been executed...and several people have been exonerated...innocent people would have been killed - it's a heinous system....no one has the right to kill..no one.

Then work on preventing abortion and euthanasia.

[xdreamsunwindx]

+100 for that new avatar, Kate. :wavey:

Thanks, Dissy. I felt it was appropriate. Yay, Chrissie. :D

[dissention]

Thanks, Dissy. I felt it was appropriate. Yay, Chrissie. :D

Have you seen the pics of her at the KFC protest in France?! PETA sent me a poster of her holding up a sign and screaming at that event. :laugh:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Have you seen the pics of her at the KFC protest in France?! PETA sent me a poster of her holding up a sign and screaming at that event. :laugh:

Needs! :lol:

I did see those. She's so ballsy... I could never do anything like that. Though some friends and I are planning on protesting outside of a local KFC sometime soon, haha. She's truly awesome, though.

[Hawkeye]

Oh I see. So calling us baby killers is a symptom of a defense mechanism worthy of forgiveness. You poor thing. So can we get defensive when you accuse of us such insulting and ludicrous things?


Doesn't it scare you to think of the falsely accused? Isn't it worth it, for their sake, to not employ the death penalty?

The Death Penalty should also only be used in cases where it's 110 Percent sure tehy did it. And you know there are cases out there that are that certain. A self confession for one thing with no remorse should be an automatic ticket to the bear pits.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

F*ck you. Don't you call me a baby killer and don't accuse me of being rude to you either. You have no right to chuck a hissy-fit about people being rude to you and then accuse me of such a thing so calmly.

Ok well call me what you want...but you know what abortion is and you know what you support BY supporting abortion I don't even need to say it. So call me any name you want, I refuse to get angry anymore at some folks that I don't even know who post on this board.

And btw...I have every right to acuse you of anything I want...just as you have the right to say "F*ck you" ;)

[dissention]

Needs! :lol:

I did see those. She's so ballsy... I could never do anything like that. Though some friends and I are planning on protesting outside of a local KFC sometime soon, haha. She's truly awesome, though.

I remember flipping through the channels and saw the footage of her arrest on MTV the day after it happened. :laugh: I applaud her, she's fantastic.

Do you need any materials for a protest? I can give you some of my PETA contacts and they'll send you stickers, flyers, fact sheets, and posters if you need them. :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thanks, Dissy. I felt it was appropriate. Yay, Chrissie. :D

Hey, what about IAMS. I haven't heard anything. What is she boycotting them for. I'm really not trying to be smart or anything. I just really don't know anything abou it.

[amber]

Hey, what about IAMS. I haven't heard anything. What is she boycotting them for. I'm really not trying to be smart or anything. I just really don't know anything abou it.
There was a big ol thread on here about 1-2 months ago about why. I'll see if i can find it.

[Sugar]

Actually I don't know why I bothered because this is the key statement and the reason for your posting the article and your little "WTF". And then to act as if we're tiresome because we reacted that way, obviously a tactic used to pretend you weren't hanging out for an argument.

Remember this.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

There was a big ol thread on here about 1-2 months ago about why. I'll see if i can find it.

thanks! :)

[xdreamsunwindx]

I remember flipping through the channels and saw the footage of her arrest on MTV the day after it happened. :laugh: I applaud her, she's fantastic.

Do you need any materials for a protest? I can give you some of my PETA contacts and they'll send you stickers, flyers, fact sheets, and posters if you need them. :wavey:

I will deffinitely have to get back to you on that. We're not exactly sure if we're gonna do it or not, but if my friends don't follow through, I'll do it on my own. My luck, I'll get put away. lol.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Remember this.

I wasn't LOOKING for an argument. Maybe a debate..but not an argument and if you have problems with that Lux then don't reply...ignore it!

[DrummerDeanna]

Remember this.

I know. I was told not to feed the trolls a while back -and I got all sucked into it again haha...sometimes I just can't help myself..

But sometimes the best way to get a pest to go away is to ignore them...

[amber]

thanks! :)
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=16258&highlight=Boycott+Iams

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I know. I was told not to feed the trolls a while back -and I got all sucked into it again haha...sometimes I just can't help myself..

But sometimes the best way to get a pest to go away is to ignore them...

I'm not going to go away and sorry if you consider me such a "pest"

[Brwn_eyes0511]

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=16258&highlight=Boycott+Iams

that is terrible.

[Sugar]

I know. I was told not to feed the trolls a while back -and I got all sucked into it again haha...sometimes I just can't help myself..

But sometimes the best way to get a pest to go away is to ignore them...

I know it's hard. He says such imflammatory things...refers to "liberal traitors" and "baby killers" and other hateful things and acts bored or shocked that people are offended. "What? Little ol' me? Why do you get all out of shape? Why is 'baby killer' offensive?"

He often goes out of his way to be offensive. I just hate to see people (including myself) getting wrapped up in it. :)

[GateandGarden]

I'm up for any and all debate with "the opposing side," so long as racist and homophobic stereotypes aren't part of their rebuttal.:nod::nod:

[DrummerDeanna]

I know it's hard. He says such imflammatory things...refers to "liberal traitors" and "baby killers" and other hateful things and acts bored or shocked that people are offended. "What? Little ol' me? Why do you get all out of shape? Why is 'baby killer' offensive?"

He often goes out of his way to be offensive. I just hate to see people (including myself) getting wrapped up in it. :)

:nod: I really should start thinking before I just submit replies...these little baiting sessions really serve no purpose and do no good....

Hmm..I've got the weirdest craving for chicken right now :laugh:

[dissention]

My luck, I'll get put away. lol.

:laugh: You can't call yourself a protester unless you've been put in a paddywagon, dear. :laugh:

I was hauled off quite a few times in early '03. Once for protesting at Westover Air Force base in Chicopee, MA. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

Hmm... the conservative party supports the unethical treatment and murder of animals

Can I assume this is an exaggeration in response to Brown_Eyes' exaggeration regarding liberals and that you are not seriously putting forth this mischaracterization as the truth?

[xdreamsunwindx]

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=16258&highlight=Boycott+Iams


What's sad is this has been going on for a while now. Such a shame. :distress:

I actually ripped the bag of IAMS cat food out of the cart when my mom and I went grocery shopping once. She got all pissy, but I told her that I refuse to have any of our family's money going to that company, and that I will never let my cats eat it. Thank God they enjoy Chef's Blend.

[GateandGarden]

Actually there is no one on any Mac board with more valid stuff to say. Putting him on your ignore list would be un wise.Exactly! :nod:

[sodascouts]

I'm offensive because I actually respond to the liberal stuff posted on this forum. I don't see much activity from the other conservative posters.

So they do it "intelligently" because they mostly keep quiet...but because I speak out I'm an idiot. WHATEVER?


If I tried to respond to every liberal post in this forum, I'd have more posts than dissention and Amber combined. Look how many you've racked up in a month trying to do so. I don't have that kind of time. I pick my battles.

[amber]

What's sad is this has been going on for a while now. Such a shame. :distress:

I actually ripped the bag of IAMS cat food out of the cart when my mom and I went grocery shopping once. She got all pissy, but I told her that I refuse to have any of our family's money going to that company, and that I will never let my cats eat it. Thank God they enjoy Chef's Blend.
Good for you! :nod: That was the first i'd heard of it - never bought iams anyway, though, but still. Washing a live kitten down the drain? :eek: I can't help but wonder about the people who work there and carry out this diabolical treatment... :distress: And yes, diabolical as in devil like.

[sodascouts]

So, does everyone attacking Brown_Eyes agree to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut?

[dissention]

So, does everyone attacking Brown_Eyes agree to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut?

I already do.

[amber]

People make me sad sometimes.
Only sometimes? :o
:xoxo:

[xdreamsunwindx]

:laugh: You can't call yourself a protester unless you've been put in a paddywagon, dear. :laugh:

I was hauled off quite a few times in early '03. Once for protesting at Westover Air Force base in Chicopee, MA. :laugh:

Well, if you want to get technical, I've been hauled away, but it wasn't for protesting; Short and short of it, it was because of my lame school. And I'm close to getting suspended from school, so... That's why I'm not trying to risk it any time soon. :laugh:

[Sugar]

:nod: I really should start thinking before I just submit replies...these little baiting sessions really serve no purpose and do no good....

Hmm..I've got the weirdest craving for chicken right now :laugh:

:lol: Remember your blood pressure isn't worth it.

[Johnny Stew]

Can I assume this is an exaggeration in response to Brown_Eyes' exaggeration regarding liberals and that you are not seriously putting forth this mischaracterization as the truth?

Hopefully you saw my explanation a few posts later.
Just in case though, I was merely responding... sarcastically I admit... to Brwn_Eyes' comments that all liberals do is "eat, drink and kill babies."


:xoxo:

[amber]

So, does everyone attacking Brown_Eyes agree to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut?
Yes - It wasn't a far step for me, I only occasionally ate at the TB/KFC by my house. But now, NO! Like i said before, it isn't that hard - you just eat something else. :shrug:

[dissention]

Good for you! :nod: That was the first i'd heard of it - never bought iams anyway, though, but still. Washing a live kitten down the drain? :eek: I can't help but wonder about the people who work there and carry out this diabolical treatment... :distress: And yes, diabolical as in devil like.

Watch PETA's footage of how they manhandle and abuse the chickens. The people that work in those slaughterhouses are cruel beyond belief; some even do it as if it's a sport.

[xdreamsunwindx]

So, does everyone attacking Brown_Eyes agree to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut?

Totally. I already do it. I also boycott IAMS and the Gap, and other companies.

[DrummerDeanna]

So, does everyone attacking Brown_Eyes agree to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut?

Actually I never eat at any of those places simply because I don't like them.

[amber]

Well, if you want to get technical, I've been hauled away, but it wasn't for protesting; Short and short of it, it was because of my lame school. And I'm close to getting suspended from school, so... That's why I'm not trying to risk it any time soon. :laugh:
Dear, you're not supposed to bring that stuff to school!!! :laugh: :lol:
JK - Hope everything turns out alright. :D

[GateandGarden]

Totally. I already do it. I also boycott IAMS and the Gap, and other companies.Uh-oh. What did Gap do? I honestly don't know. I have to go to class right now but I'll come back to read about it if y'all will tell me. :wavey:

[heyjupiter678]

Yes - It wasn't a far step for me, I only occasionally ate at the TB/KFC by my house. But now, NO! Like i said before, it isn't that hard - you just eat something else. :shrug: Exactly. Same here. :nod:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Dear, you're not supposed to bring that stuff to school!!! :laugh: :lol:
JK - Hope everything turns out alright. :D

lol. It's nothing like that. Honestly, it's because I had two unexcused absences, and they all sent someone over to take me to court about it, etc. Totally crazy, LONG story. It's fine now, though. :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

So, does everyone attacking Brown_Eyes agree to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut?

Nance, I don't believe the majority of people here are having issues with whether or not Brwn_Eyes wants to eat at KFC (or anywhere else for that matter), but rather the disturbingly offensive comments made regarding Mr. Sharpton.

In addition, many people were commenting on some of the double-standards that were being expressed.

[amber]

Watch PETA's footage of how they manhandle and abuse the chickens. The people that work in those slaughterhouses are cruel beyond belief; some even do it as if it's a sport.
I was suspecting that some kinds of people who like to torture/kill animals (which, by the way, is one of the personality traits of a serial killer) might work at these places. I don't know if I can watch that footage, without my heart being torn from my chest and shriveling into a dried corpse, but - I appreciate the info. God, that is so fricking sick...

[DrummerDeanna]

Nancy - did you take your murder post away - or am I going crazy lol.....the distinction really doesn't make a difference to me :shrug: I guess that's just the way I feel - oddly up until relatively recently I was totally pro-death penalty - but upon learning more about it I've changed my stance...

[sodascouts]

Life imprisonment is actually a bigger deterent of crime than the death penalty

I'm not so sure about that. Many people argue against the deterrance factor for the death penalty because so many people commit crimes "in the heat of the moment." This would hold true for life imprisonment as well, wouldn't it?

[amber]

lol. It's nothing like that. Honestly, it's because I had two unexcused absences, and they all sent someone over to take me to court about it, etc. Totally crazy, LONG story. It's fine now, though. :nod:
Whoa! 2?! that's so lame, they used to just call our parents when we had unexcused absenses, or give us detention or something.
God, I remember that beautiful day my senior year, when my best friend turned 18 (Feb.27th, to be exact) and she could write her own notes! :woohoo: :] Then it was just up to me to forge mine, luckily i'm a good forger... :)
Anyway, that sounds really, really, lame, but i'm glad it wasn't something more serious. :nod:

[pianogirl04]

Ok well call me what you want...but you know what abortion is and you know what you support BY supporting abortion I don't even need to say it. So call me any name you want, I refuse to get angry anymore at some folks that I don't even know who post on this board.

Every person here defines right and wrong, just and unjust differently. Different people have different reasons to believe what they do and just because they don't share the same reasons you have for believing or not believing in something doesn't make them wrong. Just because you perceive something as wrong doesn't mean that somebody else does, nor should they because that's not how they see it. Everybody perceives their world and their reality differently from the next person. Taking it personally and calling them on the differences between their reality and yours just increases the amount of emotional poison in the world and that doesn't do anyone any good. Agree to disagree and move on because these kinds of arguments are anything but constructive and nothing good comes from them.

And btw...I have every right to acuse you of anything I want...just as you have the right to say "F*ck you" ;)

Not if you can't back it up with something. The heart of debate is in objectivity and proof. If you're going to accuse somebody of something, be prepared to back it up. And please don't make it personal. Attack the issues, not the person.

[sodascouts]

Nancy - did you take your murder post away - or am I going crazy lol.....the distinction really doesn't make a difference to me :shrug: I guess that's just the way I feel - oddly up until relatively recently I was totally pro-death penalty - but upon learning more about it I've changed my stance...

Yes I did - because I saw Brown_Eyes had already said it and I didn't want to be repetitive. Sorry for the confusion! If you want I'll add it back. :)

[Johnny Stew]

As a vegetarian (yeah I know I'll get picked on) I wouldn't eat in those places anyway (or Burger King or McDonalds). In fact I don't think I've even had KFC.

I have a HUGE amount of respect for vegetarians. I wish I was strong enough, will-power wise, to do it... but I'm a die-hard meat eater. :o

BUT there is absolutely NO reason why chickens, cows, etc., cannot be put down humanely. It is absolutely uncalled for, for them to be so brutally butchered.

[dissention]

Well, if you want to get technical, I've been hauled away, but it wasn't for protesting; Short and short of it, it was because of my lame school. And I'm close to getting suspended from school, so... That's why I'm not trying to risk it any time soon. :laugh:

I don't blame ya, dear. :laugh: Save the protesting for when you're not in such hot water. ;)

[DrummerDeanna]

Yes I did - because I saw Brown_Eyes had already said it and I didn't want to be repetitive. Sorry for the confusion! If you want I'll add it back. :)

No that's okay ;)

And good point on the deterent factor - it's true that the heat of the moment defensive would also apply to life imprisonment.

I was going on some local data - there's a push to re-instate the death penalty in New York State. Well - there's another program going on right now called Project Impact -it's basically a zero-tolerance program that targets not only the person committing a crime- but if they're part of a group or gang - law officials go after ALL those people...

The murder rate fell by 40% the first year of project Impact (ROchester's murder rate was higher than NYC's per capita) - the numbers were staggering when they compared murder rates when the death penalty was legal and when it was not - when there was no death penalty murder rates were much lower...

I'm still doing some research to find possible linkages etc...there may not be any - but it is an interesting corealtion...

[sodascouts]

This is the post I deleted because of its repetitiveness, but I'll put it back up so Deanna knows she's not losing her mind, lol.

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Actually, the commandment in the original Hebrew is "Thou shalt not murder.

""kill" in English is an all-encompassing verb that covers the taking of life in all forms and for all classes of victims. That kind of generalization is expressed in Hebrew through the verb "harag." However, the verb that appears in the Torah's prohibition is a completely different one, " ratsah" which, it would seem, should be rendered "murder." This root refers only to criminal acts of killing."

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html


----

While morally some people classify the death penalty as murder, since it is not a criminal act to put a person to death, it does not fall into the category given by the word "ratsah." It's fine to be against the death penalty, but it's inaccurate to use this commandment as support for your stance.

[amber]

thanks Johnny

I've never lectured people about eating meat but it seems a small request to treat animals with a little respect before they die.
I think it's great, I wish i was still one. You never lectured anyone? ooo, that was my favorite part when i was one!!! :laugh: :lol: JK, of course.

[sodascouts]

For all the people who answered affirmatively that they were boycotting KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut - good for you for standing behind your beliefs wholeheartedly. It's easy to say "Oh, that's bad, how could you not see that" and then go order up a bucket of Original Recipe. Regarding these matters, I say put up or shut up.

[DrummerDeanna]

While morally some people classify the death penalty as murder, since it is not a criminal act to put a person to death, it does not fall into the category given by the word "ratsah." It's fine to be against the death penalty, but it's inaccurate to use this commandment as support for your stance.

Point seen - and thanks for the clarification -though my original statement was more made in haste and annoynace...which is really never a good thing...

[paperdoll]

Did you get this directly from one of Bush's speech's?

To grant freedom to millions, to spread democracy, to stop terrorism.

War has solved issues such as slavery, communism, totalitarianism...

no war has never solved anything ;)

It's not fun and it's not a "great" thing...

But sometimes you must fight for freedom.

[xdreamsunwindx]

I think it's great, I wish i was still one. You never lectured anyone? ooo, that was my favorite part when i was one!!! :laugh: :lol: JK, of course.

Hee... that's my favorite part of it. Kinda. ;)

[amber]

Hee... that's my favorite part of it. Kinda. ;)
Are you Vegan? My favorite topic when i was Vegan was "The evils of cheese to your digestive system" :laugh: :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Every person here defines right and wrong, just and unjust differently. Different people have different reasons to believe what they do and just because they don't share the same reasons you have for believing or not believing in something doesn't make them wrong. Just because you perceive something as wrong doesn't mean that somebody else does, nor should they because that's not how they see it. Everybody perceives their world and their reality differently from the next person. Taking it personally and calling them on the differences between their reality and yours just increases the amount of emotional poison in the world and that doesn't do anyone any good. Agree to disagree and move on because these kinds of arguments are anything but constructive and nothing good comes from them.



Not if you can't back it up with something. The heart of debate is in objectivity and proof. If you're going to accuse somebody of something, be prepared to back it up. And please don't make it personal. Attack the issues, not the person.

and your telling me this why? They said to me "F*ck You". And I'm the one who is getting personal?

[Sugar]

and your telling me this why? They said to me "F*ck You". And I'm the one who is getting personal?

You called her a baby killer. That's not personal?

[markolas]

While morally some people classify the death penalty as murder, since it is not a criminal act to put a person to death, it does not fall into the category given by the word "ratsah." It's fine to be against the death penalty, but it's inaccurate to use this commandment as support for your stance.

Well, if anyone wants to convert to Buddhism...you're welcome to use our precept, which basically says "no killing, no exceptions." :D

[ShangriLaTroubl]

And in your opinion he started the war...why then?

Hello? Where were you when the war began? He started the war because of "weapons of mass destruction" and "nuclear weapons..." and then when none of that was found change the reason to "combatting terrorism and the spread of democracy.." gotta love him

I've enjoyed reading this thread...it's odd that it's here, cuz I just noticed the other day stuck on the stop sign near our KFC was a sign that says "KFC Cruelty.." and at first I was like huh? Then I got it STOP ----KFC Cruelty


Chris

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, if anyone wants to convert to Buddhism...you're welcome to use our precept, which basically says "no killing, no exceptions." :D

What if someone was attacking you with ever intent in killing you?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

If I tried to respond to every liberal post in this forum, I'd have more posts than dissention and Amber combined. Look how many you've racked up in a month trying to do so. I don't have that kind of time. I pick my battles.

Thats true I never thought about that! lol.

I guess I should pick my battles. But I still like to post information here that doesn't have a "left" twist to it. :shrug:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Finally brwn_eyes you have made me see what you stand for...let me get it all straight


Killing innocent iraqis = OK, as long as it's for a "good cause"

Killing inmates who have been convicted, but sometimes only circumstansially = OK

Killing our own soldiers = OK, again as long as its for a good reason

Mistreatment of animals = OK, as long as the chicken still tastes good

Abortion = WRONG WRONG WRONG

Something doesnt make sense with this equation...PRO LIFE, but only SOME life??

Chris

[markolas]

What if someone was attacking you with ever intent in killing you?

I knew better than to post that...

I'm not sure you wanted to get into a discussion of Buddhist ethics, but against my better judgment, here goes:

All killing, and probably even doing anything that allows or promotes killing, creates negative karma. In Buddhism, we don't make excuses. Sometimes, killing might be unavoidable, or it might be the only appropriate response to a situation, but it's still a non-virtue, according to Buddhist teaching.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You called her a baby killer. That's not personal?

I said abortion is the murder of a child. FROM THAT statement she drew the conclusion of "child murderer".

[Hawkeye]

Well, if anyone wants to convert to Buddhism...you're welcome to use our precept, which basically says "no killing, no exceptions." :D

well there's no chance I'll be converting then.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I knew better than to post that...

I'm not sure you wanted to get into a discussion of Buddhist ethics, but against my better judgment, here goes:

All killing, and probably even doing anything that allows or promotes killing, creates negative karma. In Buddhism, we don't make excuses. Sometimes, killing might be unavoidable, or it might be the only appropriate response to a situation, but it's still a non-virtue, according to Buddhist teaching.

Oh ok. I was just wondering. Wasn't trying to start a debate on it. Just wondered what you thought about in cases of self-defense.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Finally brwn_eyes you have made me see what you stand for...let me get it all straight


Killing innocent iraqis = OK, as long as it's for a "good cause"

Killing inmates who have been convicted, but sometimes only circumstansially = OK

Killing our own soldiers = OK, again as long as its for a good reason

Mistreatment of animals = OK, as long as the chicken still tastes good

Abortion = WRONG WRONG WRONG

Something doesnt make sense with this equation...PRO LIFE, but only SOME life??

Chris

Thanks for skewing what you think I believe in.

[Nixxxed]

Thou shalt not kill.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup:

[Sugar]

I said abortion is the murder of a child. FROM THAT statement she drew the conclusion of "child murderer".


Originally Posted by Lux
Oh I see. So calling us baby killers is a symptom of a defense mechanism worthy of forgiveness. You poor thing. So can we get defensive when you accuse of us such insulting and ludicrous things?



Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
You support abortion don't you...then that is not a ludacris statement...

I think she showed admirable restraint.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Lux
Oh I see. So calling us baby killers is a symptom of a defense mechanism worthy of forgiveness. You poor thing. So can we get defensive when you accuse of us such insulting and ludicrous things?



Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
You support abortion don't you...then that is not a ludacris statement...

I think she showed admirable restraint.

you telling someone to f*ck off is such restraint.

[Sugar]

you telling someone to f*ck off is such restraint.

In this case, yes. Lux is quite capable of much more. Why is it OK for you to call her something as foul as 'baby killer'?

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Thanks for skewing what you think I believe in.

Well you said it yourself...you believe in only SOME forms of killing right? It depends on the circumstances? Correct me if I'm wrong please. You said yourself you leaned toward being in agreeance with capital punishment...which is KILLING...Don't forget that some people on death row have been there for a long time, and were put there when we didn't have the technology of DNA evidence..

You said you support the war..which is KILLING..whether it's killing of our own soldiers or killing innocent Iraqi civilians, or killing terrorists...

So therefore, you SUPPORT some killing and not others, that's a logical assumption right? You said you don't support abortion basically because it's killing a child....but you do support killing civilians of other countries, soldiers, and inmates...

Chris

[Brwn_eyes0511]

In this case, yes. Lux is quite capable of much more. Why is it OK for you to call her something as foul as 'baby killer'?

I didn't CALL HER THAT. Those words didn't come out of my mouth. I just said that since abortion is murder. Then that statement isn't a stretch. I'm sorry, but her getting angry maybe has something to do with the fact that she knows that abortion stops a beating heart, and she knows I'm right in saying that those who support abortion might as well call themselves "baby killers." It's harsh yes, and maybe I say things in the wrong way. But I'm not sorry for pointing out simple truth. That abortion kills, so if you are one who supports it then the logical conclusion is that you support...death! right?

[Sugar]

I didn't CALL HER THAT. Those words didn't come out of my mouth. I just said that since abortion is murder. Then that statement isn't a stretch. I'm sorry, but her getting angry maybe has something to do with the fact that she knows that abortion stops a beating heart, and she knows I'm right in saying that those who support abortion might as well call themselves "baby killers." It's harsh yes, and maybe I say things in the wrong way. But I'm not sorry for pointing out simple truth. That abortion kills, so if you are one who supports it then the logical conclusion is that you support...death! right?

As do you...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well you said it yourself...you believe in only SOME forms of killing right? It depends on the circumstances? Correct me if I'm wrong please. You said yourself you leaned toward being in agreeance with capital punishment...which is KILLING...Don't forget that some people on death row have been there for a long time, and were put there when we didn't have the technology of DNA evidence..

You said you support the war..which is KILLING..whether it's killing of our own soldiers or killing innocent Iraqi civilians, or killing terrorists...

So therefore, you SUPPORT some killing and not others, that's a logical assumption right? You said you don't support abortion basically because it's killing a child....but you do support killing civilians of other countries, soldiers, and inmates...

Chris

Killing in death penalty...punishment must fit crime.

Killing in war...not pretty, but it's war...death comes with war. I don't like it but sometimes it's important to look for the great good. Innocent people do die and it's sad. I wish that it didn't happen...but in war sometimes those things do happen...it doesn't make it right, but it doesn't change the fact that it happens.

Killing of children in womb...they are totaly innocent and cannot speak for themselves and then they have someone else decide that they don't get to live anymore.

[Sugar]

Just to confirm: You think it's OK to call those who support abortion rights, regardless of anything they may or may not have done, "baby killers".

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Be harsh if you desire...but I would venture to say that supporters of this Iraq War might as well call themselves "killers" as well...so what's the difference? Hell lets say it brwn eyes you are a KILLER, Bush is a KILLER...

One life is more important than another???

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Just to confirm: You think it's OK to call those who support abortion rights, regardless of anything they may or may not have done, "baby killers".

But that's just it...abortion "rights". What "right" is there in it. Abortion stops a beating heart, and it's killing our generation. Who should have the right to destroy that human beings life before they are even born. So, if you are one who believes that it is an actual baby in the womb, then you must believe that to abort it is...murder. So what would you call those who support it?

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Killing of children in womb...they are totaly innocent and cannot speak for themselves and then they have someone else decide that they don't get to live anymore.

You should really think about what you're saying here...

Do you not think that Iraqi children who are killed, thousands of them are not innocent? They had someone speak for them as well and decide that they didn't get to live anymore...how is that different?

Yes war is inevitable sometimes, but dont come in here calling people baby killers, when you yourself support killing of innocent people as well

Chris

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Be harsh if you desire...but I would venture to say that supporters of this Iraq War might as well call themselves "killers" as well...so what's the difference? Hell lets say it brwn eyes you are a KILLER, Bush is a KILLER...

One life is more important than another???

No, but war is a different circumstance.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You should really think about what you're saying here...

Do you not think that Iraqi children who are killed, thousands of them are not innocent? They had someone speak for them as well and decide that they didn't get to live anymore...how is that different?

Yes war is inevitable sometimes, but dont come in here calling people baby killers, when you yourself support killing of innocent people as well

Chris

That's just it. I don't support their killing! By supporting the war, doesn't mean I support all the innocent people who lose their lives.

But to support abortion (which compared to war is pretty cut-and-dry) is to support the ACTUAL murder of an individual.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

No, but war is a different circumstance.

There are many circumstances with abortions as well...

Nevertheless, an innocent life is an innocent life...you cant just say "well uhhh it's DIFFERENT"

It is NOT different--death is death--murder is murder...if you are going to call people out as baby killers, call yourself out as a baby killer that you are..if your definition of baby killer is someone who supports abortion--that's fine...but also mention that you are a baby killer for supporting the killing of innocent Iraqi children

Chris

[Sugar]

But that's just it...abortion "rights". What "right" is there in it. Abortion stops a beating heart, and it's killing our generation. Who should have the right to destroy that human beings life before they are even born. So, if you are one who believes that it is an actual baby in the womb, then you must believe that to abort it is...murder. So what would you call those who support it?

Rights of the woman.

And I call people who support abortion rights "pro-choice" because they advocate keeping the choice legal.

To call anyone who is pro-choice a "baby killer" is inflammatory rhetoric (as though you didn't know that) not to mention a gross misrepresentation of who these people are.

[estranged4life]

For all the people who answered affirmatively that they were boycotting KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut - good for you for standing behind your beliefs wholeheartedly. It's easy to say "Oh, that's bad, how could you not see that" and then go order up a bucket of Original Recipe. Regarding these matters, I say put up or shut up.

KFC-More grease than actual chicken or RAT...Nope, Hate it!

Toxic Hell-I've been food poisoned by 'em twice (Deb once)...Nope, Hate 'em (Gimme Taco Mayo instead)

Pizza Slut-BARFFFFF!!! Well, I have several times after eating their excuse for what is supposed to be a pizza...Gimme Domino's Pepperoni cracker crust and I'm a happy guy

So if I boycott 'em it isnt over PETA/Chicken cruelty/Rev.Ass, I mean Rev.Al...It's because their food tastes as good as used Goodyear tire rubber boiled in dirty dishwater..."Um Um PUKE!"

[Brwn_eyes0511]

KFC-More grease than actual chicken or RAT...Nope, Hate it!

Toxic Hell-I've been food poisoned by 'em twice (Deb once)...Nope, Hate 'em (Gimme Taco Mayo instead)

Pizza Slut-BARFFFFF!!! Well, I have several times after eating their excuse for what is supposed to be a pizza...Gimme Domino's Pepperoni cracker crust and I'm a happy guy

So if I boycott 'em it isnt over PETA/Chicken cruelty/Rev.Ass, I mean Rev.Al...It's because their food tastes as good as used Goodyear tire rubber boiled in dirty dishwater..."Um Um PUKE!"

Thats funny. But if I would have called him Rev. Ass...then I would have been mutilated by these folks

[Sugar]

That's just it. I don't support their killing! By supporting the war, doesn't mean I support all the innocent people who lose their lives.

But to support abortion (which compared to war is pretty cut-and-dry) is to support the ACTUAL murder of an individual.

By supporting war you support killing. Please direct me to this fabled "non-killing" war you speak of.

The people who die in war are ACTUAL INDIVIDUALS as well, though I can understand why you wouldn't want to think of them that way...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Rights of the woman.

And I call people who support abortion rights "pro-choice" because they advocate keeping the choice legal.

To call anyone who is pro-choice a "baby killer" is inflammatory rhetoric (as though you didn't know that) not to mention a gross misrepresentation of who these people are.

Why is it the right of anyone to kill another person. Regardless of whether or not the child is in your womb. It still is it's own person, just for 9 months it relies on it's mother for food and such. I STILL don't understand how it could be anybody's choice? But thats just me...oh no wait, its all the millions of others who don't support abortion too.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

By supporting war you support killing. Please direct me to this fabled "non-killing" war you speak of.

The people who die in war are ACTUAL INDIVIDUALS as well, though I can understand why you wouldn't want to think of them that way...

I never said that no one dies. Yes, It's war its not pretty. But IT'S WAR people are going to die whether you like it or not.

[Sugar]

I never said that no one dies. Yes, It's war its not pretty. But IT'S WAR people are going to die whether you like it or not.

And by supporting the war, you support the deaths of those people.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Why is it the right of anyone to kill another person. Regardless of whether or not the child is in your womb. It still is it's own person, just for 9 months it relies on it's mother for food and such. I STILL don't understand how it could be anybody's choice? But thats just me...oh no wait, its all the millions of others who don't support abortion too.

Exactly so you agree that you are a baby killer as well..thank you...


Chris

[estranged4life]

Thats funny. But if I would have called him Rev. Ass...then I would have been mutilated by these folks

Rev.Ass, He grates on my nerves...Besides, After his no show at OSU for the Democratic Presidential Candidate debate last year (No reason why, From the report of the local channels he said "Oklahoma is NOT an important battleground state"...Hardy-har-har Rev.Ass, Yer a comodian!!! TRUE Blue Diehard Democrats are starting to become as rare as USC fans here in "Bible Land"/Okie Land!) he has no supporters left in Oklahoma among the African American Supporters!

Besides, I have been here so long people know my sense of humor...I hate both political parties, Just one moreso than the other...Wanna guess which one? :thumbsup:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I never said that no one dies. Yes, It's war its not pretty. But IT'S WAR people are going to die whether you like it or not.


Are you trying to look like an idiot or doing it on accident???

Yes we all know people are going to die in a war---but how can you say their innocent life is less important than that of an aborted fetus?

Chris

[Brwn_eyes0511]

There are many circumstances with abortions as well...

Nevertheless, an innocent life is an innocent life...you cant just say "well uhhh it's DIFFERENT"

It is NOT different--death is death--murder is murder...if you are going to call people out as baby killers, call yourself out as a baby killer that you are..if your definition of baby killer is someone who supports abortion--that's fine...but also mention that you are a baby killer for supporting the killing of innocent Iraqi children

Chris

You just said it in the last sentence. I DON'T support the killing of innocent Iraqi children. Yes, I'm not ignorant I'm sure that thousands of Iraqi's have lost their lives to this war. I support the war, because I support what we are fighting for, liberty and freedom for Iraq. But I DO NOT support the killing of Iraqui children. But when you say you support abortion, you are supporting women to be able to murder their child at their will, it being THEIR choice.